Friday, January 27, 2006

Union Post Revisited

Here's the post we wrote back on 25 Jul 05 about Unions. We were only getting about 20 or 30 visitors a day back then but we thought we made some good points. It was actually during the WalMart controversy right after the whole deal went south. Our position was that the day of the union is in the past and unions do more harm than good.

And as we stated in the Comments section previously, FOP is a fraternal organization, not a true union that can bargain and threaten the city. The only reason we get anything in negotiations is because the city agrees to give it to us OR the arbitrator gives it to us.

75 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

We barely get cost of living increases.

1/27/2006 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The union of the past is dead. That doesn't mean there isn't a need for a union. Without a union you have just your own voice if working conditions r unfair or your not being paid for the amount of hours you've worked.

The once great unionaztion of American workers is what killed the manufactoring industry in this country. The union got fat and lazy thus killing its own employees. What unions need to do in todays society is go over the books of their members employers and work out fair pay for the amount of work their workers do compared to the profits of that company. Unionized workers have to come to a realization that the good old days of doing very little and getting paid well r long gone from the private sector, unless u r in Chicago and connected!!

1/27/2006 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Total unionized labor in the U.S. is less than 13% Take away the public sector unions and it is down to 6%.

1/27/2006 03:44:00 PM  
Anonymous weebles wobble (but...) said...

I think the tipping point that is marginalizing unions is globalization, corporations going multi-national and reaping the slave-like unorganized third world workers all over the globe... but you never know... when those chumps wake up, unite and GET ORGANIZED and UNIONIZE... maybe, just maybe the WORKER will again have the upper hand and THE WORKERS OF THE WORLD WILL UNITE to gain livable wages and progressive work conditions WORLDWIDE from our ©o®po®ate masters!

SOLIDARITY! FREE PASS to UNION BROTHERS AND SISTERS OUT ON THE STREET (even if they're jaggy!)

1/27/2006 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many years ago, when I was i colege, I took an Economics class. There was an article that explained why unions and organized labor in general were obsolete. This started in the sixtys.

The reason given was their stubborn reluctance to allow changes in the workplace and to allow for modern technology and their unreasonable economic demands. It cited the demise of the steel industry and other manufacturing sectors. The author also blamed Labor for ithe industrial flight to foreign lands. It predicted that in the future we would be a sales and service economy versus the industrial giant that we were. The article was written in the mid seventies.

The author was right. Organized labor is just as responsible for the demise of industry as anyone.

1/27/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is off topic too. The City is giving some mutt nine million bucks for a wrongful conviction.

Now maybe he deserves something, but nine mil?

Where is the money coming from? If they can afford to pay nine million to this guy, how come they cry poor when we want a decent raise or benefits?

Helloooo!

1/27/2006 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous VORKING VATOS OF THE VORLD said...

Those values have brought the Wobblies to Queens, where the abundance of cheap immigrant laborers, many of who are undocumented, has bred the conditions for exploitation.

In a way, the role is fitting for the union, remaining consistent with their philosophy to organize labor very close to the point of production. Their goal has always been to mobilize the workers themselves, not to fight for influence among business leaders and politicians, said Jim Crutchfield, a member of New York’s IWW.

The Hispanic men who met Tuesday night are workers at EZ Supply Corp., a small Ridgewood-based company that distributes food supplies and containers. Before they unionized, employees worked 10-12 hours a day, six days a week for a flat fee that amounted to pay of $4 or $5 an hour, well below the current $6.75 minimum wage, workers said.

Jugo Flores, an employee at the company, said the move to form a union at first frightened the workers and their families, who feared retaliation from their boss. But eventually the poor working conditions caused the group to seek help from a Brooklyn advocacy group called Make the Road by Walking. Officials there eventually put them in touch with the IWW.

“It kept building until we couldn’t take it anymore,” Flores said. “When you see things happen to your companions, you can’t just turn your head and pretend you don’t see.”

1/27/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now here's a story to read. Wonder if Daley would do this to FOP.

FOP Lodge Fights Indiana Mayor's Audit Request

http://daily.officer.com/go.asp?tid=52738&eid=318345&sb_id=106885,106885

1/27/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous the empty cylinder said...

The root of the term "union" applies, in our police department, in the philosophy of unity.

Do we have a union? No.
Do we have a fraternal organization with by laws and a contract with appointed (voted in)spokespersons who represent us, Yes.

Does that mean we had to give up our freedoms without the right to participate in civil disobedience/ No.

However, civil disobedience without unity and stamina to win for the common cause are destined to fail.

We don't need a union if we were able to stick together and stand firm in a united effort to change for the good of all of the members.
Sickness does occur, discretion does allow leniency in enforcement,
unsafe vehicles should not be driven until they function properly , same goes for radios, computers, and any necessary item that applies to safe policing. No man or woman civilian or sworn should work in an unsafe environment, ie. exposed wires, unsafe and unclean air duct systems, citizens carrying TB, AIDS, lice, (to mention only a few)
allowed to sleep in station hallways.

Yes, minor every day happenstance.
We deserve better. We won't get it because we seem to nuture the "what's in it for me/" attitude.
We do not stick together as long as "I get mine".
We deserve to be herded like sheep. We are sheep.
Look at how we treat one another on this blog. Yeah, me too. We are wrong and we deserve whatever bone King Dick tosses our way.
It's too bad because we have the numbers and talent to actually change things for the better.

1/27/2006 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's too bad because we have the numbers and talent to actually change things for the better.

1/27/2006 05:04:51 PM

Hey Mark, you trying to convice us or yourself about the numbers and talent to change things? What have you really done for all of us lately?

1/27/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MAYOR AUDITS FOP

CROWN POINT — In a letter urging a federal investigation, Lake County Sheriff Roy Dominguez hints at a widening financial scandal in a local chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police.

But officials at FOP Chris Anton Lodge 125 said politics motivated Dominguez’s request that U.S. Attorney Joseph Van Bokkelen audit the lodge.

John Buncich, a candidate for sheriff against Dominguez, is a senior trustee in the organization.

The letter from Dominguez to Van Bokkelen says an internal lodge audit into financial irregularities while County Police Officer Mitchell King was lodge treasurer indicates other members of the organization may have been involved in stealing or misappropriating at least $70,000.


King has been placed on administrative leave, and could be fired by the Lake County Police Merit Board at its February meeting.

King’s alleged multiyear thievery “could involve ... the malfeasance of certain FOP officers who had responsibility for overseeing the FOP’s investments, accounts, expenditures and the checks written by King during his term as secretary/treasurer,” reads the Jan. 24 letter.

In the copy of the correspondence, acquired by the Post-Tribune through a Freedom of Information Act request submitted to the Sheriff’s Department, names other than King’s have been blacked out.

But Chris Anton lodge attorney Michael Deppe said it is clear whom Dominguez has targeted with the request.

“This is a political attack on Buncich,” Deppe said.

Dominguez writes he is prevailing upon the U.S. Attorney’s Office to launch an independent investigation because the Indiana State Police has declined.

But Deppe said State Police officials have not yet announced whether they will head up the inquiry into the missing funds.

“I haven’t sent the State Police a letter yet asking them to take the case,” Deppe said.

Van Bokkelen was not available Wednesday to comment about the situation.

King, a Hobart resident, resigned as secretary-treasurer of the lodge in September, amid allegations he took money from the organization’s coffers.

Dominguez said the possibility that tax laws or banking statutes have been broken makes a federal investigation appropriate.

Lodge officials first called for an independent investigation last week. Buncich said he welcomes the inquiry, be it from State Police or federal officials.

“One way or the other, there seems to be money missing and we need to get this taken care of,” he said.

The latest flap involving a Lake County police officer and missing funds comes about two months after Sgt. Robert Porras was arrested on counts of fraud and theft.

Porras is accused of stealing money from a Lowell-area youth football team for which he served as treasurer.

The Indiana State Police conducted the investigation that led to Porras’ arrest.

1/27/2006 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 5;04
Not Mark dumbass, I'm talking about civil disobedience and unity.
read it over again

1/27/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wheres our w2 statements?

1/27/2006 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO: Not Mark dumbass, I'm talking about civil disobedience and unity.
read it over again

1/27/2006 06:03:26 PM

Well I was talking about Mark. Read it again, dumbass!!!

1/27/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Chicago Resident said...

How much is the starting salafry for a CPD Officer?

1/27/2006 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 7:09.....NOT ENOUGH

1/27/2006 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Jane Byrne for giving the Chicago Police collective bargaining!!!

1/27/2006 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

put the list up; who's going to what Area?

1/27/2006 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The starting salary is $42,000. Your at about $67,000 with 5 years on. Your at about $70,000 with 10 years. This is not including about duty availability (add about $2000). The money isn't bad. Some deserve more, some deserve less. For detectives add about $4000. For Sgt add $20,000 (they get an additional 3,000 for duty avail and 1/2 hour of time on the books each day and they can sell 200 hours back to the city each year). I love to hear my fellow supervisors complain about how hard they have it. Most of these guys should be working at McDonalds. Your Lts and Capt are makeing six figures, easily.

1/27/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Starting is just under 35K I think....bumps every few months until 54 months then every 5 years...

1/27/2006 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC said...
Jim Sinegal and Jeff Brotman run Costco Corporation. They are BIG name democratic contributors. Stats for the last political cycle show them contributing over $300,000 to the democratic national party.

1/27/2006 11:40:33 AM

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This is bad but all the millions that other weathy company presidents that donate to Bush are ok, right, SCC?

1/27/2006 08:17:00 PM  
Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

That's not the point. All corporations donate PAC money but WalMart gets a bad rap simply because Sam Walton is an outspoken supporter of Republican candidates.

1/27/2006 08:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 8:06!!! Are you smoking crack again???? $20,000 between PO and Sgt, Huh? It is about $10,000 base salary. Yes we are underpaid, unless we get good guys to work for us. Otherwise, when all we have to deal with are whiny babies who never had a REAL job in their lives, all we do is babysit. Brake that down hourly and yes we are underpaid!!!
I worked for a living prior to coming on this job and I am grateful.

1/27/2006 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Total unionized labor in the U.S. is less than 13% Take away the public sector unions and it is down to 6%.

1/27/2006 03:44:55 PM

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But, yet THEY are the reason that US is in the shit hole, right??

1/27/2006 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason given was their stubborn reluctance to allow changes in the workplace and to allow for modern technology

** Modern tech takes jobs away from workers. Good for the Inc., but bad for Joe 6pack. Will you be happy if Richie IV fires you for a robot police officer? Will you say, "Oh well, as long as Richie likes it and the citz don't have to pay so much." No, you will not.

**Here is the rub: Will cutting wages like GM, Ford, et al are doing has no effect on YOUR bottom line? Will a Corvette be $25,000 now? No. The benifit will not be passed on to the consumers, yet the top execs rake in big $$$ bonuses and salaries.

**GM and Ford made bad business moves (sticking to gas guzzling SUV) while their competitors shifted gears to smaller cars and hybrids. GM and Ford's MGT failed the Co. Yet, let's blame those damn unions and their fucking living wages!!

and their unreasonable economic demands.

**You people seem to for get that is nation is based on a CONSUMER economy. If people do not consume, then NOTHING get's sold. If you fire everyone and re-hire them at $1 an hour, they will not be able to purchase anything. Is this what you want? Or should the Middle Class and poor not be allowed to possess anything? We should just be happy we breathe the rich people's air! Wait until that is too much....

Who are you people on this blog?? Cops???? Am I missing something? My W-2 last year was $63,000. Am I making only half of what the rest are you making? I like my free time, I don't have a 2nd job, are all you bloggers rich? Can you hire me at your 2nd job to??

1/27/2006 10:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't need a union if we were able to stick together and stand firm in a united effort to change for the good of all of the members.
Sickness does occur, discretion does allow leniency in enforcement,
unsafe vehicles should not be driven until they function properly , same goes for radios, computers, and any necessary item that applies to safe policing. No man or woman civilian or sworn should work in an unsafe environment, ie. exposed wires, unsafe and unclean air duct systems, citizens carrying TB, AIDS, lice, (to mention only a few)
allowed to sleep in station hallways.

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ALL OF THIS WOULD BE GONE WITH OUT SOME UNITY (FOP)

1/27/2006 10:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rue St. Michel said...
That's not the point. All corporations donate PAC money but WalMart gets a bad rap simply because Sam Walton is an outspoken supporter of Republican candidates.

1/27/2006 08:31:52 PM

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So?? You and your people are trying ot do the same to the Costco guy. Sounds like you are being hypocritical.

1/27/2006 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quote: ChgoTribune: Average salary for auto worker: salary and benefits 130K, yeah I'd say the unions have a part in the demise of US industry!

1/27/2006 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 8:06!!! Are you smoking crack again???? $20,000 between PO and Sgt, Huh? It is about $10,000 base salary...... 1/27/2006 09:04:19 PM

No, he's not smoking crack, he just knows how to read!!

The disparity between D-1 and D-3 is about $11,000 +. Then take into consideration the quarterly allowance (paid at the same time duty availability is paid...this does not go to PO's) which is approx another $2800 for sgts, then the fact sgts get half an hour a day comp time (going up to ¾ an hour once the contract is ratified) and the fact supervisors can sell back 200 hours a year.......it's easily well over $20,000!

With holidays and the ¾ hour a day, it's easy to bank well over 200 hours a year and sell them back.

If that's not good enough reason to go for sgt, I don't know what is.

1/27/2006 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With out new contract, we (sgts.) are easily separated by $20,000. Fcator in the duty availabity, quarterly, uniform and the 200 sellback and we're grossing over $100,000........ we are doing alright.

1/27/2006 11:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO; 6:25

Sequence.
Good word, you ought to try it in your writing.

1/27/2006 11:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any idea how many signed up for sgt exam?? Noticed that deadline was extended. Not enough signed up by 1st deadline or what?

1/27/2006 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Officer Kevin Lee, 31, NYPD R.I.P.


Died of an apparent heart attack in a struggle with suspects tonight on Upper East Side.

1/27/2006 11:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I truly believe that the Teamsters are a bunch of scabs. They direct traffic on construction sites all over the city every day, backing trucks into their job site. But let a carpenter run an extension cord, and you can hear the crying a mile away. That said, Fuck the Teamsters

1/28/2006 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I studied my balls off (sorry ladies) and was blessed to make sgt. I don't give a shit about anything else. I make a good living and have good working conditions. Many who made sgt. with me are now Lts, capts, and exempt. I have no ill will towards them.

Not everyone can make rank or a D-2 or D-2A position, but you're a fool if you don't at least try. There are favorite sons and daughters who get ahead, but remember this: they do have to make people legit. Go for it and don't believe it can't happen to you, because it happened to me. The only person I knew was the guy who delivered my mail and the guy who delivered my newspaper.

1/28/2006 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not everyone can make rank or a D-2 or D-2A position, but you're a fool if you don't at least try.

Just dont be like Dickman in 020. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whata Panocha he is.

1/28/2006 04:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deepest sympathy to NYPD PO Lee's family and friends.

1/28/2006 05:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats up with dickman from 020 ? he's fucking with P.O.'s not even in his district, power hungry ??

1/28/2006 05:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Quote: ChgoTribune: Average salary for auto worker: salary and benefits 130K, yeah I'd say the unions have a part in the demise of US industry!

1/27/2006 10:17:17 PM

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YA RIGHT!!!! Post a source!

1/28/2006 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is Sgt. Dickman fucking with you? Is he merely asking you to do your job or his he truly fucking with you? If so, give us some examples. What does he do that is upsetting you? What watch is he on? The reason I'm asking is because I am thinking of bidding into 020 and don't want to live a whole year in hell if I don't have to. How are the other Sgts. Is it true that there are very militant "feminists" in 020? Thanks in advance

1/28/2006 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Screw 020... As a matter of fact fuck Area 3. There are too many coward-micro managing pussy bosses. WAY too many pussy ass police also.

1/28/2006 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats up with Dickman from 020 ? he's fucking with P.O.'s not even in his district, power hungry ??
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What do you think??? “Dickman” Obviously he is one of “the chosen people”. I’m sure he also has issues because he did not become a doctor or a successful attorney.

1/28/2006 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

020 3rd watch is a bunch a back stabbing/beefing cry babies.

You guys n gals post about 016. Yea come here for a year and Im sure you will go absolutely crazy. 016 cant hold a candle to 020. And I dont mean that with disprespect 016.

3rd watch 020 has maybe 5 PO's that will back you up. They rest are to busy tring to call ops/iad and their lawyer.

Some boast about their militairy rank and have no balls in a matter of exigence while on the job. Some still live with mommy.

As for the Sgt.? Someone definately stole his marbles as a young boy. TRY NOT playing mommy to everyone and they might accept you after time Sgt D..

1/28/2006 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a PO in 018, Dickman used to write other PO's on his watch parking tickets around the old Dist 018 station on Chicago Ave.

1/28/2006 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they can send Sgt D to TRU with PO KM. They can get married.

1/28/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Dickman likes to Checks off at 25 min after the hour to start kids. He is so affraid to be the police that he makes a really bad Sgt. On a stabbing job the offender was a woman and he we so affraid to be the police he would not search her or cuff her. He is affriad to be sued.

1/28/2006 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dickman is waiting to Fuck another copper and then he will go back to IAD so look out!

1/28/2006 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So I guess 24 does not want him to come back????????

1/28/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey maybe someone can get a hold of that disc that SGT keeps with all his super secret IAD wanna be stuff on it. As soon as you walk into the SGT's room he ejects the disc and runs away. Whats he hiding? Maybe he is a rat and a corrupt Sgt.?

1/28/2006 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Sgt D what did your wife do at HQ to get you made SGT.

1/28/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope you guys in 20 post this stuff on the bathroom walls. Wallpaper the district on this goof. Please dont send him to 24 again.

1/28/2006 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the above posts. Id say that's enough reason. Send him to the ghetto.

1/28/2006 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SGT D why does the 1st watch Capt in 20 not want you to cover how short the sgt are? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

1/28/2006 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO POST 10:11:18 GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT FORD/GM. SUV'S ARE THE B I G G E S T SELLERS IN THE AUTO MARKET. GM IS OFFERING A DISCOUNT ON ALL THEIR VEHICLES EXCEPT SUV'S. AS FAR AS FORD (FIX OR REPAIR DAILY) GOES, THEY HAVE A PORBLEM WITH STYLING, THAT IS NO NEW STYLING THAT HAS HURT THEM. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS BOTH FORD AND GM DO NOT MAKE A VERY GOOD PRODUCT. I WOULD LOVE TO BUY AN AMERICAN MADE VEHICLE, BUT THEY ARE INFERIOR TO IMPORTS PRIMARILY HONDA, TOYOTA, NISSAN. I DO AGREE THAT THE SAVINGS MADE IN THESE JOB CUTS WILL NOT BE PASSED DOWN TO THE CONSUMER. ITS BAD MANAGEMENT BAD UNION AGREEMENTS AND BAD WORKSMANSHIP. AS FAR AS HYBIRDS GO THEY ARE A COMPLETE CON PERPETRATED ON THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. THEY ARE NOT I REPEAT NOT A FUEL ALTERNATIVE. THEY GET A LITTLE BETTER MILEAGE IN THE CITY BUT THE SAME, THATS RIGHT THE SAME GAS MILEAGE ON THE HIGHWAY. THEY ARE A SHAM, A MARKETING PLOY THAT HAS DUPED ALL THE IDIOTS OUT THERE WHO FEEL BETTER BY DRIVIING ONE OF THESE BUT IN REALITY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IMPACT POLLUTION. YOU TALK ABOUT GAS CONSUMPTION, LOOK AT CHINA, THEY ARE A COMPLETE DRAIN ON GAS USEAGE. TO THIS POSTER, I BET YO0UR ONE OF THESE PUSSIES WHO ARE AGAINST DRILLING IN ANWAR. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE. GO DRIVE A YUGO AND GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

1/28/2006 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, I think I may know who he is, but a little help please. Is he tall,skinny,sunken eyes with semi-dark circles around them? Does he look like an escapee from a WWII concentration camp?

1/28/2006 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you coppers wine about your pay? You got an EASY JOB to do. Ever work construction?,factory laborer? Didn't think so! Thats why I see all you fat-asses driving around in your cars. Hell, your just the insurance mans lakey. Do your paper work woooo its hard, write some tickets, woooo my fingers tired. Oh and once a while chase someone. Man thats real hard, all all for over 50k+ a year! STOP YOUR BITCHIN!

1/28/2006 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous sgt. saunders said...

Why does he check you off at 25 minutes past the hour? Is it that busy in 020 that he's afraid they may call the troops back out on the street? I don't get it. As a matter of fact, I'm begining to doubt your story. Why would ANYONE do that? Gentlemen, I think we may have a few disgruntled Officers posting here that are embellishing a little.

1/28/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This job is really starting to become worse and worse, did guys 20-30 years ago complain about the same thing crap... This would be an interesting NEW THREAD.

I would rather pay for my spot like the old days that ive been told about. Because you CAN’T earn a spot that’s for sure.

Does ANYONE care about morale of the police officers in the City? Anyone? Bueller ? Anyone? Bueller ?

HEY BIG BOSSES DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING ! Your losing a lot of talent to apathy that is being caused by .. wait for it
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YOU GUYS !

Make the department maybe a little more transparent maybe a little it would be a great start

1/28/2006 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, I did construction before I took this job. I find this much harder. Not physically, but mentally. Anybody can do construction, it doesn't require much or provide any mental stimulation.

And before that I loaded semis. with 55 gal drums of chemicals.By hand. No forklift. Same thing. All physical, no mental. Boring.

So go crawl back underneath that rock you crawled out from underneath of Mr. Neathanderal. Better yet, go dig a ditch and jump in. Some of these "fat-asses" as you so eloquently called them are more than capable and willing to throw the dirt back on top of you.

1/28/2006 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trust me .... he is everything your reading about. Mobile with any of us on 3rd watch. In fact try banging us on the radio at 0015. we will answer. he has major issues and pushes the moral to an all time new LOW.

1/28/2006 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No embellishing, He has no people skills, let alone Management/Sgt skills. I would settle for micro managing. This guy has a major chip on his shoulder.

Ask about the CR numbers that he gets and includes his selfmade reports/forms on. He ignores everybody right up to the big bosses. He is telling the other Sgt's how to be better. I have never ever worked for such a goof on this job. He needs to be psyched.

1/28/2006 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what law firm doing legal work for FLOP was very generous to certain FLOP Board members this past XMAS!
Hello Hired Truck (law firm)benefit.

1/28/2006 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is his name really Dickman? Thats awesome!

1/28/2006 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does someone work in 018, 024, IAD, & 020 without ever doing a day in the ghetto? Are there a lot of cops like that on the north side (no offense)?

1/28/2006 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous sgt. saunders said...

I'm having a hard time believeing this.He keeps you till 25 after,which by itself is stupid but not the worst thing I've ever heard of. Give us more examples. Does he try to bury coppers with CR numbers, does he hammer them on,say,court deviations, etc., etc.
Does he follow them around to their jobs, does he limit the lunch break to exactly 30 minutes? What does he do that causes all the hate? Elaborate,please.

1/28/2006 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey sgt. saunders ask any boss on 3rd watch or 1st watch in 20 they will tell you dont just take our word for it. And by the way this job is the greatest job in the world I think.
So when I tell you 25 min after the hour It is the truth.

1/28/2006 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous sgt. saunders said...

Ok, I believe you but I just am having a hard time understanding why. Doesn't this guy believe in the idea of keeping his troops happy? Doesn't he realize that a happy employee is a good and productive employee? Doesn't he realize that being a Sgt.is much much more than being a disciplinarian, that he should be a mentor, a teacher, a leader, someone that the troops can look up to, someone that they would want to follow? I once read somewhere that the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, Marv Levy, was asked how he got his players to excel, to perform above the level that most would expect them to or that they were really capable of. His reply was something like this. He never asked his players to follow him. He did however ask them to "join" him in the quest for a Super Bowl ring. I try to live by that train of thought everyday. Maybe this Sgt. Dickman should consider doing the same.

1/28/2006 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
what law firm doing legal work for FLOP was very generous to certain FLOP Board members this past XMAS!
Hello Hired Truck (law firm)benefit.

1/28/2006 02:12:24 PM

Will you please tell us what law firm, how much, and to whom? Inquiring minds what and need to know???

1/28/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel for you guys in 020. He's making a certain 3rd watch Sgt in 011 look good. My friends who work in 011 say their new 3rd watch Lt. is a real tool. Moral is swirling the toilet bowl there.

1/29/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
what law firm doing legal work for FLOP was very generous to certain FLOP Board members this past XMAS!
Hello Hired Truck (law firm)benefit.

1/28/2006 02:12:24 PM

We're waiting, you pussy. Put up or shut up.
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Thought so.

1/29/2006 01:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How Come Mr Tuff guy Capt on 3rd watch isnt straightening this goofball SGT out?

1/29/2006 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Sgt. Saunders said...

Who is the Captain on the 3rd watch in 020 that you refer to?

1/29/2006 05:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With out new contract, we (sgts.) are easily separated by $20,000. Fcator in the duty availabity, quarterly, uniform and the 200 sellback and we're grossing over $100,000........ we are doing alright.

Your Kidding Right? Check your math. While you are well compensated your not making 100k a year. More like 91K to 95K and thats with 20 years on the job, selling all 200 hrs each year. Which just as a thought, you should probably hang on to as your devaluing its worth by selling early. Save your time and sell it after 30 years. It will be worth more.

1/29/2006 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gotta sell that time now when the note is due on the Escalade and the 300C.

Good Times.
Any time you meet a payment. - Good Times.
Any time you need a friend. - Good Times.
Any time you’re out from under.
Not getting hassled, not getting hustled.
Keepin’ your head above water,
Making a wave when you can.

Temporary lay offs. - Good Times.
Easy credit rip offs. - Good Times.
Scratchin’ and surviving. - Good Times.
Hangin in a chow line - Good Times.
Ain’t we lucky we got ‘em - Good Times.

1/29/2006 08:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Union, fraternal organization, doesn't matter. We are prevented by state law from taking any job action which disrupts operations, strike etc.
FOP has us in the best position yet, we are winning several major lawsuits, we did well in last arbitration and the City looks disorganized with many resources defending against corruption charges.
Anyone remember 25 years ago? We are better off now, want a steelworker or auto worker union job? Have at it but it is in China or similar.
Nothing is perfect but still much better than when I came on. 72k a year with two years of college and a virtually guaranteed job, jeez. Keep plugging away.

1/30/2006 02:30:00 PM  

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