Tuesday, January 24, 2006

FOX News Tonight

We've been listening to the radio today and FOX is running commercials about "A weapon in the War on Terror - the Rapid Response Car." Sounds like someone has been feeding WFLD a line of ... well, a line of something. We might be near a TV at 9 PM and we might not be. But we can use this thread as a kind of open forum to discuss the "feature" on FOX.

What next? "Tonight on FOX, the Footman - stealthily ticketing your car and doing walk and talk with business owners." Or how about "The 008th District - They're who Phil Cline calls when he needs the police (but that's because he lives there) Tonight on WGN". Come up with your own new "Feature" for sweeps week. Keep it clean though.

114 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm 1st and fox news blows

1/24/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tonight on Fox News. What CPD brass and Ron Huberman think about the War on Terror, "It is not practical to train individual officers to respond to a terrorist attack."

1/24/2006 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Special Investigation on Fox News, Has the city of Chicago been spending federal anti-terrorist money on other things?

1/24/2006 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tonight on Fox: Uncovered! The CPD's key strategy in the war on terror, and their plan to distribute air face masks at CAPS beat meetings.

1/24/2006 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous loaded dice said...

HA HA HA Best Joke I Read Yet.....

1/24/2006 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A WGN exclusive: The City's terrorist attack evacuation plan revealed! City officials to use federal funds to purchase 3 million bicycles for its residents.
Critics of the plan look at the estimated 3 billion dollar expense as wasteful, and look into allegations of bribery and clout with local pols.
The Mayor and other officials point to designated bicycle lanes as evidence of their master evacuation plan.

1/24/2006 05:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOX NEWS SPECIAL:
Ron Huberman compares Broke Back Mountain to Home Land Security.

1/24/2006 05:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's pray that Chicago is never a target of any type of terroist attacks, Mayor Daley will be as impotent as Mayor Nagin of N.O. there will nothing but excuses, alibis and finger pointing...remember that idiot TROTTER who still refuse to go to some sort of necessary training because unlike the rest of us, he was born with the knowledge to cope with any type of emergencies, just hope that you live far enough North...West...or South, you and yours might have a chance of surviving

1/24/2006 05:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Let's pray that Chicago is never a target of any type of terroist attacks, Mayor Daley will be as impotent as Mayor Nagin of N.O. there will nothing


that's fine. as long as chicago can go back top being a "chocolate town" afterwards.....

1/24/2006 05:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Huh?

1/24/2006 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the urban terrorists? As you watch the news watch where the crime is happening. Those quiet little hamlets like Aurora, Naperville are all experencing an increase of crime. Talking to suburban coppers they blame King Ritchie and Sup Phil for demolishing the "Jets".
Now they have plenty of fresh meat.
Those are the facts, and they are irrefutable.

1/24/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good!

1/24/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone try to sign up for the Sgt. exam today? Personnel Sgt. told me the deadline would be extended and a fax message went out about it due to the fact the web site was "broken" (system wont accept payment, try back later). Called my district and they said "what fax?"...... FLOP WAS ALSO AS USLESS AS USUAL ON THE ISSUE.

1/24/2006 06:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope this isn't going to be a story about the SORT cars. It probably will be however because the Dept. apparently feels the need to boast about what we are doing in the war on terror and thats about the only thing that I can think of where the City can say they are doing something. I guess the fact that the SORT cars have been out there for,how many years, doesn' even matter or the fact that the District usually handles and completes an incident long before the SORT car ever gets there, doesn't matter because I'm sure the newsmedia bought into this hook,line and sinker. But I'm jumping the gun. Lets wait and see what it's all about.I've got the sinking feeling however that we are about to be embarrassed. Then again, maybe it's about our wannabe Navy SEAL Swat boys. That would be good for a laugh. Either way, we are fucked.

1/24/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those "quiet little hamlets in the suburbs" should be happy that the jets are coming down. Now maybe they will have something to do besides write traffic tickets.

1/24/2006 06:49:00 PM  
Anonymous The empty cylinder said...

Featuring the:
CAPS-A-PULTS
They're shot from catapults into any fray to talk and BS the enemy to boredom and tears...Together they could!

armed with KFC to feed the enemy and make the enemy fat, relentless in their pursuit of double speak.

1/24/2006 07:20:00 PM  
Anonymous The empty cylinder said...

Who ya gonna call?

Fox News features actual CPD radio transmissions in their news segment exposing the:
"Ghostbusters".....

Ah, hold me down squad, on a station assignment for the desk.

hold me down squad going to radio maintence.

hold me down squad on a uniform adjustment.

hold me down squad for a quick personal in the ststion.

hold me down squad on an unavoidable traffic stop.

Just a few comments avoiding the reality of the fact that , "Give someone else my jobs squad, I'm too good for bullshit and too lazy to carry my own ass in any district."

I'll bet there're more.

1/24/2006 07:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ron Hubberman was the BODY-DOUBLE for the male to male sex scenes in Bareback Mountain.

He did it for free, he loved it!

But he always has!

1/24/2006 07:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is that web site with the the nude pics of those chicago police females? Please do tell!


I need to release one! All horned up here!

1/24/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ron Hubberman is the honorary M.C. for the "Men in Leather" contest. For a man with a public job he sure doesn't hide his bi-sexuality!

1/24/2006 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

S.O.R.T. = Special Operations Rectal Teamers!

Be Queer, Be Gay!

1/24/2006 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the sos guys sure do kiss alot of rectum (ass)

1/24/2006 07:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of "Hold me down's" I was never so sick to my stomach as I was back in 2004 when I worked in Housing South and one of the guys I worked with shot a guy in the Wells extensions. We had the offender in cuffs and recovered the weapon, but the buildings started emptying out on us. Dispatcher was calling every available unit in 002 and 99% of them came flying over..except 214, who decided to come over the air with a "traffic stop". Five minutes later, still calling for more cars when dispatch again asks 214 their location.."214, TVB" The biggest joke of all is when the dicks listened to the tapes and were so astounded that 214 actually pulled a stunt like that, they went down to talk to the desk Sgt., and guess what...214 never even came in with a TVB. To this day that still is a classic...unbelievable some of the people we have to work with..

1/24/2006 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IS RON HUBBERMAN really bi-sexual? I heard that rumor for a while now? Why would Daley make his Chief of Staff a queer boy?

This City is messed up!

1/24/2006 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to: 1/24, 7:47...there are at least 2 theories around: 1) Daley was/is desparate for anyone who he "thinks" he can trust, at least in the short term, to put in positions close to him, while many of the other close associates are going down (to the feds); 2) someone cose to R.H. is/has been a big money contributor to the Dems, including Daley (money=clout). Is either or both true?

1/24/2006 07:54:00 PM  
Anonymous disgusted with this city! said...

It's really not a joke that the Chicago Police Department has not trained the men and women who work in the Districts for ANY mass attack. They will be the first responders and many will probably die. That's the fact. No equipment, no training.

Sure, SOS has all the protective clothing and training...how many of them will be in the downtown area WHEN something happens? Maybe a few who snuck away from 003 or 007 to eat in the civilized world.

The OEMC keeps saying they have a plan: HOW ABOUT SHARING IT WITH US!?!?!? The people who are going to be in the shit, and not locked away in a multi-million $ bomb proof fortress on Madison!!!!

Of all the things that suck that I have seen this Department and City do, this one is really one of the lowest. And the media should be aware of just how completely unprepared all but 300 or so officers in this City actually are!

Can't even get a friggin shotgun in the car cause it looks " too aggressive". Did you know that every Park Ridge squad car is equipped with an MP5? These dinky suburbs are better trained and better equipped than we ever will be!!!

1/24/2006 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1/24/2006 07:47:15 PM

Just so you know,IAD gave both of those officers 30 days for blowing off that call. One of them retired before the punishment hit though.

They gave different stories to IAD about why they were held down, and hung themselves.

1/24/2006 08:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
IS RON HUBBERMAN really bi-sexual? I heard that rumor for a while now? Why would Daley make his Chief of Staff a queer boy?

This City is messed up!

1/24/2006 07:47:15 PM

He's very closed regarding his private life, but he IS in fact gay. That doesn't bother me in the least though, sorry, just not a homophobe.

He is also directly related to a very prominent Israeli political figure. That might have something to do with his clout...ya think?

1/24/2006 08:05:00 PM  
Blogger leftisthebest said...

Tonite on McNeil-Lerner Report,
"Shady" O'Grady admits he is really SCC

1/24/2006 08:36:00 PM  
Blogger EmB said...

OMG just watch FoxNews.....we are in more trouble then I thought, maybe we should all pack up survival gear and store it in the trunks of our cars,,,anybody know what the emergency evauation plan is....or does anybody know anybody that know the plan...how about a quick way out of town!!!!!

1/24/2006 09:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ha,ha,ha,ha. Thanks Larry, are you a sucker!

1/24/2006 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't laughed that hard since Mayor Bilandic said the plows had cleared all the snow.

1/24/2006 09:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was it that said theres a sucker born every minute? Larry Yellen, you just proved them right.

1/24/2006 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I missed the report, but I can just imagine the horses..t that they broadcast. Can anyone elaborate?

1/24/2006 09:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT A JOKE THE NEWS BROADCAST WHAT WE ONLY HAVE 3 OF THESE SPECIAL EQUIPPED VEHICLES IN THE DEPARTMENT. WHAT CR NUMBER CAME OUT FROM THE CITIZEN WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT THE CAR BEING PARKED IN FRONT OF THE OFFICERS HOME. WELL ITS NICE TO KNOW AT LEAST THE LT THEY FEATURED ON THE NEWS WILL BE SAFE...WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US WHERE IS OUR TERRORIST TRAINING OH THATS RIGHT ITS ON A STREAMING VIDEO THATS ABOUT 7 MINS LONG THAT WE CAN WATCH DURING ROLL CALL THANKS PHIL..........

1/24/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just saw the bit on Fox about the squad parked at lt. serb''s house...how smart is it to show them what's in the trunk Joe...think it will be long before the car gets broken into?

1/24/2006 09:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would someone please explain to me what Ron Huberman's sexual orientation has to do with his ability to do his job? I doubt that one of you pinheads could come close to matching his record or his credentials whether he or you are gay or straight. STFU!!!!!!!1

1/24/2006 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what did that fag Hubberman EVER DO but fuck up LSD when the war protesters shut it down

1/24/2006 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hate to get off topic----butttttttt
Has anyone noticed that their deferred payments haven't been received by Deferred Comp. Check th 01/15/2006 deferral. Thanks for the innovations Finance!!!!

1/24/2006 09:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to: 1/24, 9:27...under normal situations, anyone's sexual orientations has no relevance (imho) to their job performance....UNLESS, someone monitoring or observing job performance detects an irregularity or defect, and that is related to a "relationship". The "relationship" weakness is but one of many that can compromise the integrity of a criminal investigation. So...how many criminal investigations have been compromised by personal relationships, and...how active is the CPD in monitoring, detecting, policing, and eliminating personal relationships in assignments, promotions, etc.

1/24/2006 09:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Need a new string so here..PPO from 007 gets stripped because of some domestic shit. Can fellow p/o's do 90% of us a favor and stop FUCKING UP?!?!?!? Is it to much to ask you dont beat that skank your with, or stop taking money/objects that arent fucking yours? Or maybe don't get drunk every fucking time you go out? I'm sick of these 10% bad fucking seeds making everyone else look like jagoffs! Did your parents raise you to be fuckups, thiefs, drunks and women beaters?? No you say??? Then don't fucking act like it!!!!

1/24/2006 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to: 1/24, 7:57... I think you said it right. For example, it's no secret that the overwhelming majority of the CPD have no training in terrorist tactics, mass arrest/evacuations, chemical/biological warfare, etc.
So...what happens if a major event occurs, (bonified or not); using a real event (shots fired by the police, etc.) as comparison, the result is usually chaos and confusion (bosses on top of each other, most of whom have NO experience in anything, issuing conflicting orders and directives), with the end result being time and productivity wasted. Now, extrapolate that to a MAJOR event (i.e., an actual terrorist attack, or even one that turns out to be false). Now, given the inevitable inability to communicate (different zones), the questions of command (who's in charge?), the clash of egos (each deputy thinks he/she is more important than the other, even though most don't have any idea what's going on). Compound that with the fact that CPD units/districts are used to operating by themselves..in a citywide emergency, real or not, personnel from everywhere are expected to function and coordinate in an efficient manner. Based on my historic observations, that is simply impossible.

1/24/2006 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seiser runs it!!!!

1/24/2006 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lack of training! What about the metra derailment when they (brass on scene) told the P.O.s that there are to many of you standing in one place. The person in charge then made the P.O. s line up every 50 feet down the street and stand there for 5 hours. Just another example of clueless bosses on the job. Yes the P.O.s don't recieve much training but the job usualy gets done, untill the moron in charge shows up on scene and wants to flex their rank. We need better bosses!!!

1/24/2006 11:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about the plane crash where the idiot sgt posed for pictures

1/24/2006 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous the empty cylinder said...

What's a thread?

You guys, for the most part, are pin heads. If you WERE given a plan to follow you'd forget it and become lost in Hub-mans sexual orientation.

Fox reports rampant attention disorders in CPD , symptoms appear to be fixations on, Jews, beat 16??, gays, and all things Borke Back.

Try, you can do it, one thread one idea. (hey, I'm not first !)

1/24/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"armed with KFC to feed the enemy and make the enemy fat, relentless in their pursuit of double speak"


Oh, come on, with this enemy, you'd better get the food from a restaurant that serves pork. It will serve our purposes a whole lot better!

1/24/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous wagon ghoul's nemesis said...

"Tonight on FOX news"

What do Avian flu, mason jars and brewers yeast all add up to? A potent tool in the Chicago Police department's latest anti-Terrorist arsenal.

Larry: "What are chicken bombs, Lt.?"

Lt: "They are small mason jars filled with raw chicken parts, yeast, sugar and milk."

Larry: "Why is the dept choosing to use these very lethal chicken bombs?

Lt: "Because a chicken bomb can be planted and left for a long period of time. Just when Haji goes into his kitchen to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, the chicken bomb will go off - leaving a smell that even Allah can't stand (ha...ha..)"

Larry (chuckling): "Boy I can just see it now Lt., a terrorist covered in disgusting rotted chicken parts. It is refreshing to see the department 'thinking outside of the box'!"

Lt: "You mean 'thinking outside the box - of chicken!"

1/24/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Have it better than most (I guess) said...

Anonymous said...
Speaking of "Hold me down's" I was never so sick to my stomach as I was back in 2004 when I worked in Housing South and one of the guys I worked with shot a guy in the Wells extensions. We had the offender in cuffs and recovered the weapon, but the buildings started emptying out on us. Dispatcher was calling every available unit in 002 and 99% of them came flying over..except 214, who decided to come over the air with a "traffic stop". Five minutes later, still calling for more cars when dispatch again asks 214 their location.."214, TVB" The biggest joke of all is when the dicks listened to the tapes and were so astounded that 214 actually pulled a stunt like that, they went down to talk to the desk Sgt., and guess what...214 never even came in with a TVB. To this day that still is a classic...unbelievable some of the people we have to work with..

1/24/2006 07:47:15 PM


Know first hand about the incident... Whatever happened to the coppers....? Attitude adjustment I hope...

1/24/2006 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Loaded Dice said...

When you talk about evacuating a city just remember a few years ago when the idiot in a coke truck stopped all traffic on the Ryan. After hours & hours in traffic the city completely gridlocked. One goof in a truck. Now think about a real terrorist incident. Do you really think you're going to get out of the city? Where you gonna go? Not trying to start an arguement just asking. Super glad I'm retired and out of Chicago. Also glad I'm out WEST as in Nevada.........

1/24/2006 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IS THERE A NEWS LINK FOR THE STORY??

1/24/2006 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even if there is a plan for using the police and designated 1-way routes (mostly out for most civilian traffic, a few in for emergency traffic)... they had better plan on enforcing a serious HOV restriction like 4 minimum in any vehicle.

Best bet in any case is to plan for how to evacuate areas. Start with scenarios for evacuating 1x1 block, then 2x2 blocks, then 4x4 blocks.

How to gather and organize the police?

Anyway, I didn't see Fox news tonight, but are they talking about the north and south heavy weapons SOS cars (and maybe now a third)? If so, those were put in place almost immediately after Columbine.

God help Chicago if its planning on using 4 guys in two cars with M-16s as their Rapid Response to a serious terrorist attack. That is beyond pathetic.

What unit were they talking about though?

1/24/2006 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HA HA HA HA HA ...

I am last to post!!


HA HA beat you all!!!

1/25/2006 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Feds to announce that an indictment was obtained against 1st Dep. Dana Starks this evening.

More to come shortly.


Allegation of missing CPD dept. funds from a Federal grant. Over 450,000.00 unaccounted for.

1/25/2006 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous the empty cylinder said...

Hypothetically:
A dirty bomb is detonated west of the United Center. Ground winds are W to East, steady 5 knots.

Upper altitude winds primarily W to SSW leading a low pressure system expected to cross the South edge of Lake Mich. Lake effect winds expected as a result of the passing low pressure from the East to SSE followed by a light rain.

Morning rush hour traffic into loop and vicinity. Threats made that follow up activity is expected at 95th Ryan, and two unknown filtration plants.

This is only the initiation phase.
Tell me what the four men in the SOS unit are going to do with their M-16's???

Communication #1.
Chain of command #2.

#3. Evacuation plans (minimum 3) pre coordinated and rehearsed by all district unit personnel prior to the events.

#4. Citizen defense auxilary rehearsed and in place with independent commo which includes duplex system to monitor CPD.

Television, Radio, MARS cordination,
prior aware of their responsibilities and on air with directions for evacuation within 3 minutes of notification.

You tell me or any CPD that this city is prepared. BULLSHIT !
The top 5 cannot cordinate this and they won't let the next five know about it. The rest of us are totally ignorant by plan. And this is an easy one.

Never mentioned casualities, fires, assaults on multiple targets, or airstrip infiltrations.
Never mentioned hospitals, panic, or loss of electric power, never mentioned water contamination or
securing the city from looting.

This city is not ready until the entire city knows the plan (S).and rehearses it.
Sorry about the length...it's a topic I know about and laugh about when I think of our BOSSES

1/25/2006 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then again, maybe it's about our wannabe Navy SEAL Swat boys. That would be good for a laugh. Either way, we are fucked.....

HA!! To be a S.E.A.L. you at least have to earn it and go through extensive training....C.P.D. S.W.A.T.???? Just pick up the phone and call your Chinaman. What a joke. And no, I haven't sent them an app.

1/25/2006 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

S.W.A.T.
Special weapons and tactics.
hmmmmm

suicide bombs
car bombs
insurgency, experienced and in shape.
hmmmm

special weapons:
johnny land grabbers / feet feet do yo thang

tactics:
I was just going to ask you for a lunch squad.

1/25/2006 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the walk ins they mustered the po pos in cta buses

in the 80's snows they put 3 po po in a car and walked two in while one stood guard on car

The plan to muster during the snows was send wagons to pick po pos up and drive them to district stations.

Today?
hay rides behind the mounted might be fun

Hey yeah, lil richie says takem to da zoo give em hay rides ats a plan

1/25/2006 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone know anything about a kid named Bob Murray?? He is a "new" Sergeant wannabe...ran into him a few days ago and he acts like he has 40 years on the job...found out he has just made 7 years and is going to be a Sergeant!! Good luck to whoever gets this kid...

1/25/2006 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

say what you want about Swat, the chances are you don't know what u are talking about...for your info, there are 6 sort cars fully equip., as far as terrorism goes yes we are in trouble, be we are starting to get training from the feds for this.... As far as SWAT tactics we have been doing alot of training both in house and out house--- meaning with other SWAT teams and with former members of seal team 6 sent to us from home land security.. You don't need wack to get on the SWAT team but you need to be well qualified... all of us pass a physical fitness test given every 3 months,the test standars are harder than what is expected by a 21 yr old to pass for the Departments power test. we are tested every 3 months with our handgun----test is alot harder than the departments qualification. I would say that atleast 95% of you would fail it on your first couple attempts. Our m4, we are also tested every 3 months.... So anytime you get up the nerve to fill out a application and test and pass everything you'll see how this is now SWAT not HBT.. or if you feel that you need wack so whats the sense of trying I am sure anyone of us would be up for the challenge of physical fitness or shooting.... If you won't challenge anyone of us I would prefer you kept your commits that are incorrect to your self about SWAT......

1/25/2006 02:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only reason we are getting this terrorist training is because Bush and the federal government is fronting the money for it. Do you think Daley would give a nickle for that? Not like Chicago isn't a prime target or amything!!

1/25/2006 02:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Active Duty Ranger, 2 years on urban team , Active Duty SF, lots of counter terror, counter insurgency time, combat from Panama to the Balkans. Left Active Duty and came on the job. Pulled out of IRR and sent to Afghanistan. When I tried to get to HBT years ago, I was asked "Who can you call?" Give me a break with the it's all legit bullshit. I'm glad now I never did it. I was never a poseur and would never work with some of the strokes I've met from HBT/SWAT. Keep pulling your pud every 90 days and keep on congratulating yourself. When people laugh at you, its for a reason.

1/25/2006 03:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 3:02.59
Matt, stop your whining

1/25/2006 03:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 7:47 post:

About five or six years ago i was a one man unit travelling to 35th st. when call of "shots fired" came out in building at 3510 S. State st. I was right there and told dispatcher I'd handle it.

Anyway... as i stepped out of my unmarked car saw a guy firing off a few rounds. He took off running and i ran after him. he then directed some shots in my direction as he ran up inside. I called it in and dispatcher called for an assist as I was a one man car.

The following is the honest-to-God truth which I then heard:

"210 (220?) no 2nd District squads are to go into that building per the Commander."

Apparently there had been alot of shooting in that building, some at the police, and they were told not to go in there. I was unaware of this as i was not assigned to 002. I couldn't believe it.

I never said anything over the air and coded the job. I didn't make a case report because, well, I didn't get a look look at him and besides, 002 wouldn't come there, what's the point?

Today, a few years older, and a bit wiser, I'd bust him off over the air. And on this site too!

1/25/2006 04:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give me a break. Are you ACTUALLY going to come on this board and tell us that the SWAT team is legit and that you don't need a phone call to get on board? If you believe that, your a bigger fool than I at first thought. Go tell your tales on topcop.com. Maybe they will believe it. We don't. We know better.
BTW, my 12 year old son could pass that physical. And remember, dressing like a Navy SEAL doesn't mean you are one.

1/25/2006 05:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Theres two funny aspects to this whole story. First of all, we all know that this started out as a beef. Some neighbor of Lt. Serb call FOX because he was pissed off that he saw the squad car parked in front of his home everyday and thought that by calling FOX he would create an expose and get the Lt. in trouble. Imagine how he felt, his anticipation when he knew that at last he was going to see something done about this travesty. I'll bet he was rubbing his hands and licking his chops, frothing at the mouth as the minutes passed by until the newscast came on. The funny part is when it's finally on and Serb is portrayed as a good guy, a soldier in the war on terror. Nice try Mr. Beefer, better luck next time.
The other funny part is when Yellen is told by Serb that he often leaves the squad car at home and takes his personal car to work. Yeah, right. Thats what we would all do. Burn our own gas when prices are at an all time high instead of burning City gas not to mention wear and tear on his own vehicle. The funny part is that Yellen bought into it and then repeated it. I've got some prime real estate in Iraq I'd like to sell this guy.

1/25/2006 05:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tonight on Fox New: City Workers not getting paid. City Comptroller says too bad. They will get their money when we say so.

I think that would be a good Fox Story. Makes more sense than covering how Joe Serb parks a squad in front of his house.

And Contrary to everyone blaming Finance, I know Finance is a mess but it is the City Comptroller's office that has screwed up all the pay checks.

1/25/2006 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous your mother said...

How long before another city employee gets indicted ? and what department ? Did you see the encarcerated ex mayor of cicero on tv last night ? Did she look like a woman scorned or what ? the hammer will fall and it will fall hard.
On a much more important note a word to the guys who work the beat cars and repeatedly call off their backups on holdup alarms and domestics and anything else that requires a 2 man/woman response. you are only endangering yourselves and hurting the rest of us because that dispatcher only cares about one thing and that is clearing that board in front of them. DO NOT call off your assist car. If you want to be a hero be one for your son,daughter,niece,nephew, or mentor a child who has noone to look up to. The cemetery is full of heros. The quicker that dispatcher can dump those jobs the faster she will hammer the next guy or gal with more bs jobs that call takers shouldnt even take to begin with.

Be safe all and remember by calling off your backup you are only putting your safety second and that should always come first!

1/25/2006 07:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the terrorist strike here, I will simply just go home to my family. Let daley and devine be the 1st responders. They can call maggie for advice.

1/25/2006 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO: Allegation of missing CPD dept. funds from a Federal grant. Over 450,000.00 unaccounted for.

Was your comment some silly scarcasim or on the legit? If true, the media will have a freenzy over this.

1/25/2006 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous the duke said...

Hey whining swat puppy: 2:34

Do you truly think that you are the ONLY physically fit, trained,self disciplined, puppy in the litter?

The city should run their super computers and see how many actually combat trained, tab wearing, experienced in foriegn country conflict, ranger, seal, sf, pj, force recon, pilots,(yes pilots) etc. are on this fucking job who have kept their mouths shut and do their jobs every day.

Oh wait, the city never asked for prior experience in any recoverable way did they. It's on a white card in the training division homeroom file, if you even put anything on it. It is never entered asswipe.

Good people work next to you every day fuck face whiner. The city never cared and never shall, don't tell us you don't have a call you
prideless mope.

and I don't mean guys like wacko Little, I mean guys who cover a back , not stand in front whining like you!

Go clean your M-4 it may have gotten a tear drop on it while you were crying foul. Dung ball.

Hoo-Ya my brothers protect friends and family.

You piece of no balls.

1/25/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't even get a friggin shotgun in the car cause it looks " too aggressive". Did you know that every Park Ridge squad car is equipped with an MP5? These dinky suburbs are better trained and better equipped than we ever will be!!!

1/24/2006 07:57:58 PM


Who do the citz of Chicago call for help? a CPD beat car.

Who does a CPD beat car caall for help? a CPD wagon.

Who will they call? some suburban MP5 equiped team??

HAHAHAH

1/25/2006 10:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Betty Loren-Maltease (haha) almost sounded like she;s ready to talk....

1/25/2006 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks:

Welcome home.

ussf

1/25/2006 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is directed to "SWAT GUY",Hey stupid,there are some of us in SOS who read this board so do not come on here and claim Swat is legit! Everybody knows that SOS is a phone call and SWAT is a ass-kiss contest with the black pajamas as the prize so shut up and go back to washing your Sgt.'s car.It's about time you guys started to physically train harder but we know there are ways to get around that too!Swat is a glorified HBT(same players,same phone call) and we as a SWAT team would get embarressed against any big city SWAT team in the country one on one. But anyway good luck on your training and keep up the good work.

1/25/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 04:59 - You should be grateful that the C/O in 002 saved your life that night and you at least had the good sense to get the hell out when you were told that you wouldn't be getting an assist. Another young copper got shotup that night and is on permanent disability and will be wearing a bag for the rest of his life - all because he disregarded orders not to go into the building - orders issued both by the Duece and by 21. When the bangers are shooting you don't walk into the DMZ unless you're either an idiot or clueless.

1/25/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please explain Huberman’s distinguished credentials. He graduated from University of Wisconsin - a school known more for partying than academics. Also, he wasn’t much of a police officer – I bet less than 5 persons arrested by Huberman in his career sent anytime in prison. He rode along on jobs just like the bitches, but when it came to sending people to prison, he was absent. He takes a leave, gets a bull-shit social service degree from U of C.
Ask the real computer experts at Oracle what they do when Huberman is referred as a computer genius in the media – they laugh. Huberman talked computers to Hillard, Barbara McDonnell-Ramsey and bunch of other idiots and they were blown away. His political connections and sexual orientation has helped him more to succeed than his credentials.

1/25/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hate to break the news to all of you that think this Department is Legit. It's not. To 1039 what makes you think you can compare to another big city officer. If you worked anywhere else you would be fired or locked up. L.A. had a unit like S.O.S. called C.R.A.S.H.. Don t take it personal but don t think you are any better than anyone else cause as you know this city doesn t give a shit about any P.O.'s.

1/25/2006 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 2:34:31
So you don't need a phone call to get on SWAT? I guess you don't need any brains, literacy or intelleigence either.

You may be able to pass a physical test or firearms test, but kid would beat you in a spelling bee any day.

Either you are a troll or SWAT are a bunch of illiterates. I would love to see your report when you use your little pee pee shooter.

I will wave at you on your way to the joint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

1/25/2006 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 11:39 You boner, learn how to read and comprehend.

1/25/2006 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 11:06 Certainly discretion is the better part of valor, but if we have police commanders that are afraid to send police into high risk areas to do police work then none of us, or are families are safe in this city. You sound like a female officer, or a male officer seriously contemplating becoming a female, trying to rationalize apathy, or cowardice. Your commander and her minions are the reason we have lost the streets, and the war.

1/25/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe SWAT can RAID finance and find out about the W'2S.

1/25/2006 01:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

S.W.A.T

S.ignificant
W.aste of
A.mmo and
T.argets

Running fast, shooting straight and dressed in costume do not qualify you for any counterinsurgent mission.

Stamina, professionalism, leadership,adroit mental ability under stress, selflessness to the task at hand...
These however are crucial , funny how they are never mentiones by swat boys in wannabe land.

Just curious, do our swat guys have issued overwhites? Seems to me that it would be appropriate in the winter unless you enjoy being a Black Lab in a snowy field.

We are really in serious trouble.
No military combat veterans in top leadership command in cpd.
Support occupations do not count.
Attached to , does not count.
COMBAT , special opns qualified only need apply. If there were we would have a plan and everyone would know his / her responsibility. No, go to the district nearest to you and report and wait for further instructions from the command does not make a plan. It's beyond tertiary and by that time we've lost .

1/25/2006 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

L.A. had a unit like S.O.S. called C.R.A.S.H..
1/25/2006 11:39:14 AM


Yes they did, and now many of those cowboys are behind bars, the whole Unit has been scrapped and because of it, their IAD has been beefed up to almost 350 officers, and many court cases have been overturned.

The EXACT same thing is brewing here. Mark my words. If their is still an SOS by the end of 2006, I'd be very very surprised.

Some very hard working, good coppers there. Also a handful of guys that are completely out of control, with supervisors that either can't or won't try to reign them in. The storm is on the horizon. You'll all see soon enough. Sorry guys, but people DO have Civil Rights in this Country, and yes, it is a big deal when they are routinely violated.

1/25/2006 01:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Through circumstance, I encounterd a SWAT team, not from Chicago, not from Illinois training. I engaged these young men in conversation. I was refferred to as "Sir", they were respectful and proud, covered in sweat and dirt, working thier field problem with thier hearts and souls, Wow..... What does our SWAT teams do and how often, Well..........

1/25/2006 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like I said SWAT is not HBT, Swat just started in SEPT of 2005.SO if you applied before this time I agree it wasn't fair. So anytime you want to work up the courage to apply and test your skills, we'll be waiting. Other wise shut your fat ass, out of shape, up and have another doughnut!!For those of you who have the true military background in SF,Recon,Seals,para rescue, sniper scout or counter terrorism,please apply we can really use your experience, even if that means that I am off the the team becuase you are more experienced in your background than me, because playing with someones life is nothing to mess with!!!!! If you have experience in WMD's you can work with LT. Serb, he is not on SWAT..I personally don't think I am better than any other cop I just can't stand it when someone opens up there mouth talking shit and don't know what the hell they are talking about!!! As far as calling me KID, I have over 10 years on this job and not all of them in SOS,I think I earned the rank of not being called kid anymore! By the way, for those coppers who work in the busy districts keep up the good work, I'll have you know we are trying to protect your home front in 08,16 and 22 while your away doing real police work..... not being sarcastic either its the truth... we are not your enemy's we are your friends, anytime you need us call us, we are on citywide 1 and I mean that, the more work we get, the better this SWAT team gets. In know, no way do we think we can compete with other big city Swat teams we just started, give us a couple of years to train full time and we will be able to.... Trust me you don't become a awesome SWAT team over night.... 90% of us are good guys who don't think they are navy seals, so give us a break.

1/25/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous the empty cylinder said...

Is it just me or are we seing the rank and file expressing their lack of trust in the leardersih and stragedy of the CPD.

Shouldn't they be held accountable?
Isn't accountability an important command term lately? Don't the pussy "commanders" pick on the lowly Det.Hom. Sgts, et al, at the accountability sessions?

Wouldn't it be fantastic if the news people actually took this lack of trust by rank and file and publicized it to the community.
You know, in CAPS fashion. Uncover the truth of inadequacy.

The mayor, the CPD command, need to address the problem of :
(re terrorist threat)

Why do the rank and file not know the plan?

Why has clout infiltrated the plan?

Why hasn't a plan been rehearsed in total?

A fluid successful plan must rely totally upon assets at hand and within the past budget resources. Why does the media accept the lack of funding excuse all of the time?

Why do some of the media cover for the mayor and provide disinformation to the public?

Just some thoughts...

1/25/2006 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LA CRASH Unit, later news accounts stated that the DA was duped into believing most of those stories, the same idiot that did not put his most qualified attorneys on the case but did the pc act which resulted in Rodney King becomming a hero. And I believe the copper that the DA was getting his bs info from was a CRIP or a BLOOD

1/25/2006 01:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: 1/24/2006 10:24:48 PM
It's the kids fault - he had an Order of Protection on him and he knew it!
STUPID

1/25/2006 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: 1/25/2006 02:34:31 AM
... all of us pass a physical fitness test given every 3 months,the test standards are harder than what is expected by a 21 yr old to pass for the Departments power test. We are tested every 3 months with our handgun----test is alot harder than the departments qualification. I would say that atleast 95% of you would fail it on your first couple attempts.
**********************************
Please, please don't lie and tell us the M. Sped**e passed your rigorous fitness test!
Did he eat his way through the run or was it the sit ups?

1/25/2006 02:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope juiced up Suchoki is not SWAT

1/25/2006 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Minty-mint said...

Why do the rank and file not know the plan?

THIS IS CHICAGO

Why has clout infiltrated the plan?

THIS IS CHICAGO

Why hasn't a plan been rehearsed in total?

THIS IS CHICAGO

A fluid successful plan must rely totally upon assets at hand and within the past budget resources. Why does the media accept the lack of funding excuse all of the time?

THIS IS CHICAGO

Why do some of the media cover for the mayor and provide disinformation to the public?

THIS IS CHICAGO

Just some thoughts...

QUIT THINKING SO MUCH!!!!

Any one here watch Malcolm in the Middle? Malcolm is an over-thinking prodigy, doomed to be a future perminant beat car guy. His brother Reese is a dull-witted, underachiever and is happy about it.

Malcolm asked Reese once how he skates by life with out trouble and aggravations. Reese responded that whenever a bad thought pops into his head he thinks of a tv jingle for some candy company. Imagine the young boy gleefully staring into space singing to himself "Minty-mint-mint-mint..."

This blew Malcolm's mind. With much disdain, he started trying it and wo-la the world did not seem too bad after all.

He we have a perfect example of art imitating the life of the City of Chicago.

I would like to know just how many people at 120 N. Clark and 3510 S. Michigan are singing the Minty-mint song RIGHT NOW!

Let's all do it together:

"Minty-mint-mint-mint......"

AHHHHHHHHHH

Don't you feel better now??

1/25/2006 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

range instructors are just that, instructors..... they technically are not Swat, because they will never be on a job with us or go on a warrant with us... so therefore they are not required to be physically fit...mark sp***da*e

1/25/2006 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous tec said...

To Malcolm guy:

chocolate city
chocolate city
chocolate city

You're right, it does work.
thanks.
Why did I think so much aside from clout drops covered in rich creamy chocolate.

1/25/2006 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What makes a SWAT Team good is not how well they shoot or how fast they run nor if they had combat overseas. It is how well they work as a team. It is what this department lacks the most. TEAMWORK. In the district you can't even get 2 or 3 cars to work together. Everyone is doing their own thing. Yeah there is some veteran coppers who have fought. But some of these same guys can't get along with anyone. Team work is the most important.

The department has a lot of talent. Better than L.A., New York, or any other city but what we don't have are capable leaders. We only have supervisors.
In the military Sgt's lead from the front. They make sure the men are taking care of first and don't ask them to do something they can't.
Yeah you need a phone call or someone has to know of you to get to SOS. Then you can try out for SWAT.
But if you say you don't need those same things to get to a tac or gang team. Mission team or any other assignment outside of a beat car you are a liar.
You could have the most arrests in a district but if you are an asshole you won't go anywhere

1/25/2006 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well it sounds like you need a phone call to go anywhere on the police department, even a tact team. But you don't need a phone call to make Sgt or detective. What about your field training officers? Do they need a phone call too?

1/25/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only 30% of the Sgt's and Det's do. No, FTO's don't need a call.

1/25/2006 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 04:46

Wake up!
Sgt and Det. = phone calls
don't you ever think otherwise, I am one asshole

1/25/2006 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Made tact without a call or asking.
Did not know the DC and had no friends to speak for me .. Just enjoyed locking will up. People notice example when it's there
fuck you whiners.

1/25/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous the empty cylinder said...

to 01:34

The telltale words:

S.W.A.T. and awesome, in your diatribe, in the same sentence make you a mid twenties ignoramus among men who know better.

We used to make capons like you shave even though you had no facial hair just to show you the timing and necessity of personal hygiene (sp?).
Today ? I'd send you out for coffee
and to fill the vehicle up with gas and get her washed before lunch.
Can you do that you awesome dude.

1/25/2006 06:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate you you old meanie!
Leave us alone.

swat dude and his buddies

1/25/2006 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've got more time pissing in the alleys of Fillmore than you've got on the job, kid!


P.O. Roosevelt Rhodes

1/25/2006 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Detective is 20% meritorious genius. Are you saying that if I'm nice to my co-workers I will excel?

1/25/2006 10:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Lot of talk of NAVY Seals etc. we all know that a navy seal couldn't cut it here especially on the marine unit, at least not without his phone call. Not to worry Kerry Byrne spawn of ret deputy and Eric Oswage pal of Dana Starks are on the job at the FBI Terrorism task force. No qualifications but man what phone calls. And hey after Kerry got there daddy retired and found all of the missing asphalt over at CDOT, WOW that short little fucker sure knows his shit....yeah right

1/25/2006 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He went on the news and said that no asphalt was missing. The next week the G indicted someone for stealing 60 truck loads of it.

Saw her and two other Al Qaeda hunters trying to process a juvenile for a bomb threat last summer. It was funny at first, but after a few hours it was downright scary. We're really fucked. No major incident plan and clout retards charged with being the federal liaison. Does everyone at 35th street have their head up their ass? Isn't there one guy trying to do the right thing?

1/26/2006 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric Oswage can't speak english without a help. You actually think he's part of the solution to the terror threat? The fact that Dana Starks is his guy speaks volumes as to why Starks is now in charge of less than a third of the people he was last year. How could this guy get a security clearance?

1/26/2006 05:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Jack baurer said...

Ok, I'll bite. Who is Eric Oswage and how come I've never heard of him? Is he CTU material?

1/26/2006 05:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Need a new string so here..PPO from 007 gets stripped because of some domestic shit. Can fellow p/o's do 90% of us a favor and stop FUCKING UP?!?!?!? Is it to much to ask you dont beat that skank your with, or stop taking money/objects that arent fucking yours? Or maybe don't get drunk every fucking time you go out? I'm sick of these 10% bad fucking seeds making everyone else look like jagoffs! Did your parents raise you to be fuckups, thiefs, drunks and women beaters?? No you say??? Then don't fucking act like it!!!!

1/24/2006 10:24:48 PM

SHUT UP, ASSHOLE

1/26/2006 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
range instructors are just that, instructors..... they technically are not Swat, because they will never be on a job with us or go on a warrant with us... so therefore they are not required to be physically fit...mark sp***da*e
1/25/2006 02:49:54 PM

Oh, no, just ask Marky Mark and he will tell you that he is a SWAT Officer!
Eat away Marky.

1/26/2006 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please explain Huberman’s distinguished credentials. He graduated from University of Wisconsin - a school known more for partying than academics. Also, he wasn’t much of a police officer – I bet less than 5 persons arrested by Huberman in his career sent anytime in prison. He rode along on jobs just like the bitches, but when it came to sending people to prison, he was absent. He takes a leave, gets a bull-shit social service degree from U of C.
Ask the real computer experts at Oracle what they do when Huberman is referred as a computer genius in the media – they laugh. Huberman talked computers to Hillard, Barbara McDonnell-Ramsey and bunch of other idiots and they were blown away. His political connections and sexual orientation has helped him more to succeed than his credentials.

1/25/2006 11:33:16 AM


And look where that got him.
Get smart and open your eyes.
He's making over $150,000/year.
Time for you to punch in at your second job.
Bye Bye Crybaby

1/26/2006 02:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Response to 3:02.59 You didn't make HBT because you were considered a section 8 with non working beefs. Yes you were qualified however unfit because of unability to work with others because you were toobusy telling people how phenomenal you are.

1/28/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had to look all the way up to find out what 3:02.59 posted. There should be an easier way...lazy that I am

1/28/2006 09:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few words about Ron Huberman, someone whom I have never met. Does anyone recall last year when the 9-1-1 went down because of a power failure. Ron appeared in at news conference to explain the dilemma. He had a chart on an easel which showed the flow of power from a single source into the center and that is what failed and the city, the CPD and the CFD suffered the consequences. We held the line then because there were no major events or disasters that were in progress at that time. He then showed another chart which showed that the problem would not have occurred if we had two power supplies feeding the 9-1-1 center. Did he and the other planners of this system ever think that the power might not get interrupted, whether by accident or sabotage. Were the planners more concerned with buying flowers pots, iron fences and hiring trucks. Why wasn’t there two power supplies, are there two power supplies now, Ron?

There was another story on the news, the city had ordered a special communications truck at almost 2 million dollars. It was supposed to be able to take over if the 9-1-1 center failed. It was brought to Chicago and the mayor appeared and said what a great thing this is and how well prepared is the city. The truck went back to the manufacturer to be completed. The news story then says that the truck was never completed, because the city wouldn’t pay the bill. Ron, where is that truck now?

A couple of months ago, Ron appeared on WTTW-TV on a panel discussion on the subject of the city being prepared for a terrorist attack. The panel was moderated by Phil Ponce, and there was a bearded academic there and a female reporter from the Chicago Herald. Ron said in essence that if there was an attack in the downtown area, that there are plans to evacuate the area. He also said that they were not training the first responders in that plan because the planners did not want the terrorists to know what how we were going to do it. The academic and the reporter and Mr. Ponce were way too gentle with him. They should have screamed, the way we should scream now. If there is a major terrorist attack, there will be significant police casualties, because the first responding officers will make many of the same mistakes that were made in New York on 9/11. Then it will be our widows and orphans that scream. If there is such an attack, there will be a congressional investigation. Ron will certainly have to testify, but before he does, I want that congressional committee to see that WTTW tape. Ron will probably have to take the fall for the mayor and will make Mike Brown of FEMA look like General Eisenhower. The mayor will stutter how terrible this all is, how brave we were, how he knew nothing about this, then he will go hire trucks to clean up the mess and plan a monument.

1/29/2006 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>Did he and the other planners of this system ever think that the power might not get interrupted, whether by accident or sabotage. Were the planners more concerned with buying flowers pots, iron fences and hiring trucks. Why wasn’t there two power supplies, are there two power supplies now, Ron?<<

The OEMC was built and opened by the CPD. CFD came later. Think "Corbett", CPD boss (nice guy), cousin or something to Daley's wife. Mt. Greenwooder.

The system went down dozens of times in 1996. Christ, anyone remember zone 10 on NYE 1995? The electronic system went down at 2200 or 2300 or something. Talk about a freakin disaster waitin to happen!

Still happening in 2005? Well, Daley's still in charge, his relative was still put in charge of building it originally, and its been through a series of incompetent hands ('cept for Admiral Funk) ever since.

1/29/2006 06:29:00 PM  

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