Morale in the D Unit
Well, what started out as a post about Osama discussing leftist talking points with the likes of Moore, Kennedy and Kerry, predictably turned to other subjects and one of them seems to be generating a lot of back and forth discussion.
This article today by Frank Main - Crime Reporter, focuses on the anemic clearance rate and a few of our readers are taking the Chief of Dicks to task for the direction, if not the actual policy, being forced upon them.
So we say, Hey Detectives?! What's the real deal? Is the D Unit as short handed as Patrol? Is Morale as bad as some of the posters say it is? How about the new rules - pretty horrible? OT? Are the ASA's to blame? Because we noticed this story about the molester priest at St. Agatha's and how the State wouldn't go forward with the case because it appeared "weak." How much can be laid at the feet of the State?
Let's get some input here - because we know for a fact that a few bosses at 35th Street read this site. Maybe more than a few. Because it is humorous that when the heat about improper details out of district died down, they went right back to doing it - we saw a certain "low crime" district rapid car reporting for duty in a "higher crime" district just the other week, leaving us to wonder, who is covering that sector again? We're calling the Aldercreature to check on it.
This article today by Frank Main - Crime Reporter, focuses on the anemic clearance rate and a few of our readers are taking the Chief of Dicks to task for the direction, if not the actual policy, being forced upon them.
So we say, Hey Detectives?! What's the real deal? Is the D Unit as short handed as Patrol? Is Morale as bad as some of the posters say it is? How about the new rules - pretty horrible? OT? Are the ASA's to blame? Because we noticed this story about the molester priest at St. Agatha's and how the State wouldn't go forward with the case because it appeared "weak." How much can be laid at the feet of the State?
Let's get some input here - because we know for a fact that a few bosses at 35th Street read this site. Maybe more than a few. Because it is humorous that when the heat about improper details out of district died down, they went right back to doing it - we saw a certain "low crime" district rapid car reporting for duty in a "higher crime" district just the other week, leaving us to wonder, who is covering that sector again? We're calling the Aldercreature to check on it.
posted by SCC at 11:02 PM
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looky here and what not now i be first!
The job with the priest was handled by the children's advocacy center at Roosevelt & Damen. Who handles what job and when is too complicated for me to care. And yeah, morale sucks. Its all got to do with accountability, micromanagement, and suck ass supervisors protecting their spot.
Dang! I wanted to be 1st! I guess I gotta go back to filling out my SWAT application.
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It looks like accountability is having the opposite effect of what the head shed wants. The clout supervisors in the D unit are finally paying attention to what's going on. Unfortunately their stupidity is killing the morale of the dicks. Farrell is the only reason I keep working.
Things in the D unit will not change until the Mayor takes the gloves off the Police Dept.
We are no longer Police Officers or Detectives, we are armed Social Workers.
The Press, the Left, the Lawyers and Northwestern University are the ones running the Chicago Police Dept.
What ever they suggest as Policy the Dept. gives them. They wanted tasers to cut down on the number of Criminals being killed by the Police. Now they want the Police Dept. to get rid of the tasers because it MAY cause a heart attack in less then 1% of the criminals it is used on.
Hate to say it but things won't change until this City is so fucked up, and no one in their right mind would want to live or do bussiness here.
The ASA's Office (Felony Review) they make me want to puke. You go to law school, then you pass the Bar. If your in the top 90% of your class you get hired by a law firm. The last 10% get hired by the State Attorney or the Public Deffenders office.
Felony Review is where they put all the new ASAs or all the dogs. They are not allowed to make their own calls. The supervisors make the call only after repeted phone calls somtimes up to an hour on the phone. The TRY the case over the phone and if they are not 100% sure they can win in court, no charges! NO BALLS!
The Bosses, Dont blame them, they are just doing what they are told. Once you get promoted higher then Lt. you will do what you are told or you won't have that job long.
Every tool The D Unit had to help clear the cases has been striped away. This is the way the Lawyers and the left want it. The cameras in the interview rooms are not there to record the confesion of the offender its there to jam the police and help the offender beat the case.
Now instead of saying in court the Det. treated the offender like shit, they will say look the dets treated my client like they were his freind and gave him food. Thats the only reason he confessed. These cameras incuding the cameras in the cars are not there to protect you or for the Police to use as evidence, they are there for one reason only to fuck the Polce Officer. If you keep that in mind at all times you should be O.K...
Does bt 1631 brag about being worst bt car in roll call like 1611 does? If they do spit in their face for me.....
Stay on thread for one minute jagoff; go to the beat meeting and beef, go to their roll call, buy a fucking billboard, suck a fat baby's dick...no one really cares.
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Let's see,
The Chief is not qualified and she could care less becuase she gets to play police.
Many supervisors in the D unit never were Detectives so they have no clue how to conduct an investigation much less an interview.
Overtime as an incentive is being taken away.
The ASA's you deal with all think Detectives / Police are liars.
"Good Spots" like Cold Case are filled with do nothing political hacks.
Gee, why is the morale low?
The biggest reason our Homicide clearup rate is down is becuase of the lack of Detectives and that is the bottom line. They say we have 1,140 Detectives; not entirely true.
Yes there are officially 1,140 "Detectives" assigned, but 400 of those Detectives were previously Youth Investigators that have had a their designation changed. Gang Specialists are also called Detectives now. These 400 Youth Investigator still work the same cases they always have, meanwhile we only have about 700 detectives working a huge caseload.
Going back to 1974, the clear-up rate used to be approximately 74% until 1992 when it dipped to 63%; under 70% for the first time in 18 yrs. In 1974 we had 1,370 Detectives plus approximately 200 Youth Officers. In 1992 we dipped down to 847 Detectives and both numbers (Detectives and Clear-up rates) have steadily declined together since 1992.
True our number of Homicides have fallen since the 70's, but the number of index crimes has dramatically increased. There are also other factors that have contributed to the low clear-up rate, but the lack of detectives is the most obvious.
There are 5 Detective Areas in the City; imagine if we climbed back up to 1370 Detectives; that would put approximately 120 Detectives in each Area.
That would be a Godsend.
Dean is the best thing to happen to Area Five since Phil Cline was the commander there.
to clarify, that would put approximately 120 additional Detectives in each Area.
Area Five has one of the best violent crime Lt.'s in the city; what more could they ask for.
Maybe the moral problem isn't in violent crimes.
I remember when I was a dick and had to show the know nothing new sgt. who was never a dick how to do almost everything. Then I made Sgt. think I would be asked back? Not a chance.. Thats whats wrong with the D unit. Know nothing political hack Supv's and no crusty old timers who know their shit to teach the new guys. and no more OT. What a joke....
Hey when the Greeks are behind you ----watch out for Dean-----it's good tobe retired--former 650
The morons bashing A/5 Commander are just that, morons! I have my ideas exactly who they are and bitter doesn't begin to describe their personalites. Bitch an cry about every thing and do as little work as humanly possible, but blame everyone else for thier own problems. Sound familiar? Here's an idea, stop playing Half-Life and cruising the internet the entire tour and DO YOUR JOB!
95% of the people working A/5 will tell you that Dean is a good, if not great, boss. Anyone who doesn't? Well, consider the source is all I can say.
Oh, and each Area could use a minimum of 100 more detectives to actually investigate and not just get rid of the cases. And that's obviously not going to happen.
Dont tell me that the det.'s are bitching now. You have the best job in the department and the FOP behind you. You can quit and go back to patrol if you dont like it. All FOP has done is enhance your contracts for the past three negotiations. All I get when I call you is that you want me to do your job. I apologize if I dont seem sympathetic to your cause on this one.
D-Unit, specifically HGS:
1.Accountability sessions are out of control. They have become nothing more than a gang up session on suspecting attendees by a group of self "overinflated egotistical" indulgent bosses. (plural) most of whom have never cleared a murder or written a cleared closed A&P. One of whom was actually overheard asking another, "What is Felony Review"?
(Not a rumor, fact.)
2. Detective Sgts. should be from the rank and file Bureau dicks who have spent their time and have over 15 years on the job. Yes, it seems like a high bar. Do you want good paper and solid investigations? This is where it comes from and this is the type of leader the D needs screening the calls from the districts. That's right, just because some one was shot and blood is obvious does not mean it is a homicide.
3.A new dick in HGS does not deserve to become homicide simply because they know the right contact. What ever happened to the new guy keeping his/her mouth shut and doing what they are expected to do professionally? Listen, learn, read old clear ups for style and flow. Assist when you can and your time will come when the sgt. as described above setermines you're ready. Todays new all star dicks enter with the where's mine philosophy. I want days, I want HGS, I'm too good for RBT, SVU,...prove it with your, arrests and paper. Oh yeah, what is an arrest?What ever happened to going out and finding your own bad guy instead of sitting in the office waiting for the phone to ring playing solitare. Low morale, you bet the old guys see this and it's depressing. 6 year on the job dicks talking about how stupid the beat guys are with a mouthful of chocolate brownies is disgusting.
Most of them are out there working their asses off.
4. AQSA and Felony Review:
This is the morale ball buster...
A dick with 20+ years on job 200+ hom clear-ups minimum has to call a "kid" to review a homicide case who has to call a supervisor "older kid" who comes out only to call one of the wise men usually Darin (sp?) who we all know is an arrogant goof.
5. The poor victims (of course they are dead) and witnesses are the saddest of this story. To date, witnesses have had no rights to speak of. Most dicks do have compassion however and do their best to accomodate the honest cooperating guy or gal who is an asset to solving anything. The State however is under the impression that they can just wait in hell forever if need be until Darin (sp?) decides what to do.
Usually the cases are CI'd and a second or third round-up must take place and that is a travesty of all
good judgement , why can't the ASA ever take the statement when the cast is in hand the first time around. Yes, I know the argument but if the first story is gray explain it in the closer.When everything falls into place.
This is too long. sorry there's more. Morale is gone. That's why
no one seems to give a shit.
By the way, you can't pass on common sense.
A/5 old timer said...
The morons bashing A/5 Commander are just that, morons! I have my ideas exactly who they are and bitter doesn't begin to describe their personalites. Bitch an cry about every thing and do as little work as humanly possible, but blame everyone else for thier own problems. Sound familiar? Here's an idea, stop playing Half-Life and cruising the internet the entire tour and DO YOUR JOB!
95% of the people working A/5 will tell you that Dean is a good, if not great, boss. Anyone who doesn't? Well, consider the source is all I can say.
Oh, and each Area could use a minimum of 100 more detectives to actually investigate and not just get rid of the cases. And that's obviously not going to happen.
1/26/2006 09:26:42 AM
O kay DEAN!
I love BrokeBack mountain....
Anonymous said...
Homicides are down 50% from 10 years ago. So assuming the D division has about the same number of detectives, you'd expect there would be twice as many detectives available to work each homicide and the clearance rates would go up. Yet the clearance rate stays about the same. What is the answer?
1/25/2006 07:18:09 PM
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I wish I had the answer, esp. when I was taking the Det's test!
Listen, how can you be seriously scratching your head about the clearence rates, when we all know certain people had the answers for the Det's test!!
Are they going to call their daddy and ask him to give them the answers to a homicide??
The Det test is THE LAST PLACE the citz need cheaters and clout babies. This is serious stuff. Could you imagine coming home from work and finding you wife and two kids slaughtered, and you see one of these jokes standing over the crime scene scratching his nuts?? Not me.
Look, are the cheaters bad people? probably not. Are they bad cops? probably not. Did they all score all on their own? probably not.
One huge factor in lower clearance rates as opposed to the 70's is gang violence. The easy accessibility to handguns has changed murder from a highly personal violation to a mostly anonymous one.
And no, I'm not a gun control nut lobbying to rid the world of firearms. I'm just pointing out a fact.
When many homicides in years past were domestic related or the result of a fight, it was easy to identify the offender. Now offenders frequently have never met their victim and are shooting at a gang and not a person.
Another huge role is the community. Neighbors don't want to get involved anymore. If there was a homicide on my block, there'd be a line of witnesses at the Area. In the ghetto, witnesses disappear when the sirens start.
I agree that felony review is a huge problem. Why are we the only county in Illinois to have to endure this process? Every once in a while we may get a good ASA, but the majority are inexperienced goofs who have been brainwashed that Chicago dicks are incompetent asses. I can't tell you how many times I've had to pull out my law book and read a statute to one of these know-it-alls to prove them wrong. It is a truth that ASA's will not approve charges they aren't positive will win at trial. Nowhere in ILCS does winnability at trial factor in. Our burden of proof is probable cause.
Dealing with ASA's is by far the worst part of being a dick. As a previous poster stated, none of them have the authority to charge a case without approval from a supervisor. It is hilarious watching the back and forth phone calls where they figure out a way to postpone a decision.
Luckily, the management where I work has always been competent and supportive so I have no complaints there.
And this still is the best job I have ever had on the department. Sorry for the long rant.
You can count on one hand how many decent dicks there are working in each area these days. all you have to do is look at what is working up there these days. idiots who dont know there ass from kansas. a perfect example is this past list of dicks that were made. some having no more than 3 years experience but now they will be expected to take their vast police experience and handle your shooting. its a joke, this department needs to promote based on job experience not how well you take a test.
i work upstairs and i will be the first to tell you there are alot of slackers who were put into spots by being great a$$ kissers. some guys spend nearly the entire night on their computer posting on sites like this one.
we are surrounded by a bunch of idiotic goofs and that makes it bad for the workers and the real police who came on this job for the right reasons.
all that matters is going home safe and the 1st and 16th. i also saw a flyer for a fund raiser for the guy who beat a hand cuffed prisoner. give me one reason why we should go into our pockets and help a copper who beat a handcuffed, leg shackled prisoner with an unauthorized piece of equipment in front on cameras.
How dumb and cowardly was that. thats no different than a man beating a child.
wake up ladies and gentlemen WAKE UP !
asa's suck, they treat the victims like shit and the police worse. I say send everything to a judge to determine.
As for bad morale in D unit just look at the state of tact teams in this city. Same old stuff who ya know, NOT what ya do!
the "beating" took place prior to cuffing. Don't comment unless you know the facts.
The injuries were minimal and far less than what has happened in the past. Because it's on video he gets fired and indicted; that's fair?
Aside from illness or injury, what other kind of benefits are there? When coppers get nailed for a brutality beef we usually stand behind them even if "they should know better".
So yeah dig into your pocket cheap ass; unless you were there or saw the video and now details.
He is a good man that may have fucked up a little and is now being taken down with excessive force compared to past procedure for similar or worse situations.
Anyone who complains about the D unit other than some frustration in dealing with the ASA's office has forgotten what it was like to work in patrol.
What happens to your slip when you take a day off in patrol?
What happens to your slip when you go home early in patrol?
What time do you put on your slip when you work O/T in patrol; the time you walk out the door.
How long is your lunch break in patrol?
Oh yeah, what time is check-off in patrol? I think it's a full 8hr day.
What happens if you leave the district or the Area for that matter in patrol?
Give me a break, low moral in the D unit?
There is no low moral in the D unit; just a small minority of whiners or jealousy from the slackers.
Oh yeah and if they are so unhappy in Area 5, why do they have the highest clear up rates in the city. It must be all those unhappy Detectives working under mean Dean the slave driver.
Incredible how a "little bitch" can motivate an entire division to work their asses off.
is "winnability" a word?
- Has everyone received their special employment checks for LAST month? The union filed a grievance in that NO ONE received them last Friday. FOP wants %18 interest!
- Also, according to the FOP & PBPA - when we receive our W-2 forms we will also receive an “AUDIT SHEET” which will have a listing of EVERY paycheck/direct deposit that we received in 2005. IT WILL BE OUR RESPONSIBITY to add up all the numbers to see if they are correct and coincide with the W-2s. (..so make sure your calculators have batteries in them!)
- Finally, the fucked up “Supervisor’s Quarterly” checks will be adjusted on the next two Quarterly checks. (Some supervisors received as much as $2000.00 too much!)
-REMEMBER…. Go over each paycheck with a fine tooth comb!! No one cares until THEY are the ones who get screwed. { typical coppers } Also, a grievance cannot be filed unless you are shorted in your money. If they forget to take out for credit union, insurance, taxes, etc. you cannot grieve it. Then, one payday you will get a paycheck for only $1.00 because finance will make adjustments for all the past fuck-ups.. DON’T CRY ABOUT IT THEN!! LOOK AT THOSE PAYCHECK STUBS!!!
Hey, Old Timer.
Let me get this straght. . . you've never hit anyone that lipped off to you on the job? Because thats exactly what happened with the officer in 025 who was charged with aggravated battery and official misconduct.
Yeah, he probably should have kept his cool. But who here hasn't given some smartass a crack for mouthing off? Unfortunately, there were surveilance cameras and a liberal complainant who happened to catch this.
The fact of the matter is the guy wasn't even hurt and wants nothing to do with either the CPD or criminal investigation against the officer. Criminal charges were only brought because the incident is on camera and will probably hit the news at some point in time.
What happened to the days of screwing up and being disciplined? This officer has a superb work record and no disciplinary history. At most he should be given a hefty suspension. Is it fair that, on his first offense, he be both fired and charged with multiple felonies? After all, its not like he was out there selling drugs or taking bribes.
So, Old Timer, go hang your head low for failing to provide support to a good and decent officer in his time of need. I just hope you're never put in his situation.
And to all the other officers reading this, when approached to purchase a benefit ticket, please give generously.
YOU KNOW THE RULES, FOLLOW THEM. There is no justification by stating that this has happened in the past.
A major reaon for the decrease in homicides is the fact that trauma hospitals are saving a lot more gun shot and stabbing victims that in the past. Prior to the establishment of the trauma units, victims had to take their chances at places such as Loretto, St. Bernard, Bethany,etc, etc, etc.
What are the clearup rates for those crimes where the victims survive? Higher or lower. Anybody have those numbers?
The officer in question is certainly a good officer and stand up guy, but come on now: I've seen some of his handi-work in person in the past. This certainly can't be the first # he got for brutality. Being a nice guy doesn't give you a free pass to do whatever you want. And yes, he DID hit the guy AFTER the guy was cuffed and shackled and the video is clear as day! Maybe some of you who want to protect this guy should learn the facts first.
If you can honestly stand there and say that he doesn't deserve what is happening after HAVING ALL THE FACTS, then you guys are going to end up in his shoes one day, wondering what all the fuss is about and why the Department is trying to screw with you.
Back to the original post. The new rules do suck a little; can't hold witnesses, 48hr rule, signs posted inside interview rooms, videotaped interviews. But there is nothing we can do to change them, so we deal with them.
It would be nice to have an additional 100 detectives per Area, then we could get out there and do more leg work and spend more time on each case.
We do the best we can with the resources handed to us. There are a lot of good detectives doing a lot of hard work and just like the rest of the department we have our bad apples.
They are by no means in the majority.
1/26/2006 02:03:08 PM
If you go back to the start of this thing in another thread you'll see I wasn't whining about being a dick. I was bitching that the department has tied our hands behind our back. We can't do our job. Some of us do take pride in their work.
As for the guy who wrote about guys with no time making dick. Some of the best detectives we have came in the that last class, with no time on the job. Some of the best dicks I've met, many now retired, made it with no time on the job. We get plenty of useless new dicks who have as much time as me or more. Lazy doesn't have an age or a seniority number.
There are two things a new dick has things to ask himself. Am I willing to learn a brand new job and am I willing to work hard? I don't care who you are, this job takes time to learn. The case isn't over when the offender is charged. When you start getting your ass kicked on motions two years later the light bulb should be going off on how to do things better. Too many new dicks know everything, which is typical for this job. You have to work hard at this to clear cases. Some cases will clear themselves without much help from the dick. Narcotics and Patrol pinch people who want a break and they come in with information. Families give you information. But for those other murders, you've got to get out there and beat the weeds. As long as you're willing to work hard and learn you can do this job. However I agree with with you on the pathetic state of paper writing. Some of these guys couldn't write graffiti.
The majority of complaints I see is regarding OT. The days of big OT are over. Where is anybody getting the big OT checks other than those identified at 911 center?? If the bosses care about the homicide rate and they have a legitimate lead then they should be allowed to follow it up. But the incidents of det's working from shift to shift are few and far between and mostly unnecessary.
Not a problem in Area 5; OT for a homicide is not a problem.
If we have a legitimate lead to follow up on, especially on a fresh one, we run with it. If we have someone in a room, we stay. If there is work to be done that would comprimise the investigation by handing off, we stay with it.
Maybe that's why our clearup rate is at least 30% higher than any other Area.
Once the cuffs are on and the legs are shackled the hitting stops. Its pussy to hit anyone who is secure and anyone who thinks otherwise is a pussy and I hope I get your case when you come upstairs.
cuffs on, game over
"Most" dicks are pussy big mouth blow hard whiny jagoffs....They think they are fucking gods when all they really are, are lazy secretaries who depend on the tact teams and patrol division kids to bring their heads in and when they do....they have the gall to tell everyone within ear shot and then some...how "You should have done this and you should have done that,kid...you fucked this up and blahlah...I'm the best...." I have never seen so many egotistical waterheads blow off so many jobs in my life as I had in the D division...they "TRY" to actually blow shit off instead of "JUST DOING THEIR JOB" and they will blame the poor tact guy or the patrol guy for "fucking up their case" when in all actuality...it was them who did not want to work on the case and intentionally sabatoged it themselves...Again..."Most" dicks are egotistical jagoffs who would rather tell you how great they are and try to impress you with some of their bullshit stories than do any work....I have met many good detectives in my career and I have met more jagoffs who just want to tell you how great they aren't
Regarding OT, the department has done something right in terms of OT and narcotics court. No offense, call me name or whatever, but the incentive to bring in dime baggers versus other types of ofenders etc. was not a good idea, particularly when you could stop 60% of the pedestrians on many an old west side street and hit the OT jackpot.
Almost everything else they've done with OT is complete and total bullshit, with one recent exception.
The weekend supplementary manpower OT program. If they can put up 150 extra responsive units (300 or so officers) on Friday and Saturday nights this summer in 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 010, 011, 015 and 025, from 2000 until 0400, they will see an astounding impact on department stats.
For the cost, over 13 weeks, of (600 officers shifts per weekendx(13 weeks)x(average OT cost per officer). Say 13X600X200 = $1,560,000.
Or the cost of perhaps 25 additional officers on the department for a whole year.
The selective use of OT to supplement overwhelmed shifts in short districts on busy nights for 1.5 millions? This is such an easy answer that I'll be shocked if its something the nitwits actually do this summer.
But they recently started down the path, so lets seem if they talk themselves out of it.
any dumbass can x clear an old homicide on a dead gang banger if you ever worked a real case you would understand how queer dean cooks the books
I agree with post 4:59
its easy as hell to cuff the prisoner when they r sleeping...and i hope i dont get that det from area 5 handling any of my cases ...i might as well confess...wait 48 hrs hell ill hold out and you have to let me go..yes!!!..waaaa waaaaa..its safer in patrol in my one man car ..i know who i can and cant trust...and where my back up is coming from..and the 1 st and 16th are my fave days..and i'll gladly answer my calls write a ticket or 2 if i have too..and have aplace in the sun when its all over...best advice i ever got was keep your mouth shut answer yes sir.keeping smiling and its all smoke and mirrors..stay safe brothers and sisters see you in 20..LOL
To 4:59
Just curious, How long have you been on and what area do you work in?
Cozzi 025 = Liability
He has been doing this shit for years. I've seen him in action.
The city should "buy out" clowns like this and have them quit. In the end, they will cost the city millions. It ain’t 1960 anymore kids.
Dino was cocky in the academy---cocky in the district---cocky at 35th in the C of D Office---Cocky in intelligence and cocky in 650. When your mom is extremely powerful in the Greek Community and owns a big restaurant and has a ton of clout with the policticos-----and you make Lt in under 10 yrs (or right around there)----Ya think he cares about what said about him???????
To: 1/26/2006 04:59:33 PM
What area is your district in?
To respond to your statements:
>>"Most" dicks are pussy big mouth blow hard whiny jagoffs....They think they are fucking gods when all they really are, are lazy secretaries who depend on the tact teams and patrol division kids to bring their heads in and when they do....<<
I disagree with your statement
"most dicks are pussy big mouth blow hard whiny jagoffs"
what example can you produce that would substaniate that statement, I might agree that "some" could be and act that way but not all.
What if I put the shoe on the other foot and say "most patrolmen are pussy blow hard whiny jagoffs" and that might or might not include you, and I would be wrong to classify all patrol personnel like that so is it right to lump all the dicks together?
Plus, we do not depend on the tact team or patrol division to bring our heads in, even though the detective division is looking for more arrests, we would rather let the patrolman or the tact team member get the arrest because they might need the numbers, so why not give it to them?
>>"they have the gall to tell everyone within ear shot and then some...how "You should have done this and you should have done that,kid...you fucked this up and blahlah...I'm the best...."<<
That is an individual person trait, if I have someone who screwed up a case, I wouldn't and a bunch of other dicks I know wouldn't say those type of statements out loud and in public, I would take a person off to the side and let them know what the problems are and the best way to resolve them. I don't know what dicks you dealt with but again you can't say all of us are bad.
>>I have never seen so many egotistical waterheads blow off so many jobs in my life as I had in the D division...they "TRY" to actually blow shit off instead of "JUST DOING THEIR JOB" and they will blame the poor tact guy or the patrol guy for "fucking up their case" when in all actuality...it was them who did not want to work on the case and intentionally sabatoged it themselves"<<
Not true, our job is to come in and see what type of case you have then see if there's enough to call the states attorney's office, if anything else is needed I would say "this is what we need in order to get this person charged" but sometime the officer feel like they have enough and go to their sgt or w/c and say the dicks don't want to "do their job" then the sgt or w/c talk to us and ask to have the state come out whether there's enough evidence or if the case is even ready. In that situation I call the state and tell them the EXACT situation and after the case is reviewed I let the ASA tell the officer they don't have enough and why. The the case is either CI'd or rejected, because it seems the officer rather believe the ASA then us. At this point there's nothing else I want to do with that case with that officer.
>>Again..."Most" dicks are egotistical jagoffs who would rather tell you how great they are and try to impress you with some of their bullshit stories than do any work...."<<
Again refer to one of the previous statements.
>>"I have met many good detectives in my career and I have met more jagoffs who just want to tell you how great they aren't"<<
That is the same way I could feel about some patrol officers but I don't.
John Farrell must have the biggest head in the world if he reads this blog. The truth is he is a good boss and a good guy. The truth is also that if the promotion system wasn't a feudal bunch of bullshit, John Farrell would be the rule instead of the fucking exception. It's ridiculous how few of good bosses there are on this job and how many stone cold jagoffs there are. I'm starting another good bosses thread right here. There aren't many .
Lt Kevin Dillan. Currently in 12 fromerly in 13. Always took care of working coppers. What a prince. Like to hear about some others.
I have been in detective units for the last ten years; Patrol for the ten years before.
Get it straight, The detective job is the best job in the city.
A detective doing his job cannot be stopped, certainly not by our namby pamby sergeants, (most of whom were never detectives)and frankly I laugh at, and ignore all patrol bosses for the clout-less ball-less wonders that they are.
I love being a detective. Be a man among men. Be a Chicago Police Detective.
I'll tell you why being a detective is the best job! Because they can't take it away from you.....not easily.
To be reverted back to Police Officer, they need cause. And that starts with the paper trail. Poor effiencies coupled with counseling, then disciplinary history....it's a long hard journey to actually decertify a detective. Who was the last detective that was decertified? The last two I remember (not to mean there hasn't been others) were Yucaitus and O'Hara. They were both restored to their positions.
Even if you are a shit detective, all they can do to you short of decertifying you is move you to another area. Even the shittiest detective does enough to keep the pay grade.
Police Officers are another story. Unless they bid to a district, they can be moved a whole lot easier, but even then, there is usually need for "cause" which can be debated.
Forget about being a sergeant or lieutenant. Supervisors have absolutely no grievance if they get transferred, even from district law enforcement. The only protection a supervisor has is if they bid into a district position. And even then it's only good for the year. Afterwards, they can be moved anywhere.
Supervisors in units, like the D-Unit, have to be wary if they want to keep their positions. Look how supervisors get moved in and around for even the slightest goof. A detective though, he's safe.
So before you give the supervisors too much shit (but give them some) remember they don't have the protection a detective has.
"4. AQSA and Felony Review: This is the morale ball buster...
A dick with 20+ years on job 200+ hom clear-ups minimum has to call a "kid" to review a homicide case who has to call a supervisor" older kid" who comes out only to call one of the wise men usually Darin (sp?) who we all know is an arrogant goof
1/26/2006 09:58:49 AM"
This will sound like I'm sticking up for the Chief of Felony Review Darrin O'Brien, and I am. The problems that are now systemic with Felony Review, actually go back to the former head of Felony Review, Bob Milan. Milan had never been in Felony Review in the city and had only dealt with the suburban police prior to him being made the head of Felony Review. Milan brought with him a basic distrust and disdain for the police detectives, in large part because he had been dealing with detectives from the suburbs, some of whom just did not have the same aggregate of experiences that most of the detectives in the city have. Milan pushed this on to the Felony Review A.S.A.'s that worked for him and pretty much taught them that we (as in all detectives in the Areas) are morons and haven't a clue as to what we were talking about. Now Milan is the person that O'Brien reports to and Milan the one that is really pushing the buttons.
And, no, I'm not Darrin O'Brien.
Why are the numbers so high, LIES. Dean has a small group of guys who fabricate their reports. CCX is the only way to fly. How can all these homicides be cleared with no interviews being conducted. With out the old ones A5 is just like the rest. Don't forget to wish the birthday girl a happy birthday.
Area 5 has always had the rep for being a CCX unit. Get the charges rejected on the tougher cases and move on. Been that way for a long time.
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I was in the D for five years as a supervisor. I met some of the hardest working guys I've ever met in my career in the D. Yeah, some of them have personality flaws. They're human. For all you jealous, whiny jags who bitch about the dicks with attitude: STFU until you've seen what these guys have to put up with, day after day. On the whole, I found dicks to be the hardest working, most dedicated people on the job.
And, yeah, guys in Patrol screw up cases all the time. And the dicks save those cases, when they can.
I know one thing: if I was ever involved in a shooting, some of the same dicks that you guys whine about are the ones that I would want to handle my shooting. Sure, there are some do-nothing dicks out there but, again, on the whole, I found a lot more of those in my 26 years in Patrol.
Personally, with things as they are now in the D, I can't imagine how ANY homicides are going to be cleared. Between no-nothing ASA's, their B.S. supervisors, all interviews taped, etc., look for the clearance rate to reach an all-time low. It's a shame because there are people that really WANT to do the job out there.
12:02:48 AM YOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG.
There is no doubt Area 5 has a cold case team that CCX's most of their cases, but explain how Area 5 had a 60% year to date clear up with 90% of those by arrest.
Your theory is wrong and we have the numbers, legit numbers, to prove. Come upstairs anytime and go look at the wall in the Homicide office. Ask any Det. and he'll tell you which cases are CCX; not that many.
Complain about Dean all you want, but he allows us to work on our cases the way we feel they need to be worked and the concept is working.
The proof is in the numbers and Area 5 blows away the other Areas so Dean must be doing something right that lets the Detectives do their job and get the job done.
Furthermore, it's not confined to homicides; sex, burglaries, robberies. We are either number 1 or 2 citywide.
Area 5 had a lower CCX rate than most areas and a higher clear by arrest. Feel free to stop up in Area 5 and check for yourself. We are open 24/7. Stop upstairs and look at every cleared case for 2004 and 2005. The facts are the facts. the clearup rate is there and an overwhelming amount of the clearups are by arrest. Don't believe it? Come on by. Any police officer can look at the files. You can call people names and complain but things have vastly improved in Area 5 and they let you work on cases. That's why the cleraup rates are so good. I'm serious-stop by and check for yourself!!
06:52:44 AM, I know who you are!
Say "Hi" to Kent for me. :)
Dork!
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OLD, NEAR DEATH EXPIERENCE DETECTIVE SAYS:
Ive lead a really good life, Im a
veteran of the Army, Ive done a lot of cool stuff, but one of the coolest things I can do is say that Im a retired Chicago Police Detective, now thats cool brother, when is the last time you saw a movies made about supervisors? TONIGHT ON SEVEN, LT. FATASS AND HIS FLYING SQUAD, THE MAN WITH AN ASS SO BIG IT HAS ITS OWN CONGRESSMAN!!!! Even T. J. Hooker had some redeeming value.
I don't know, but while you are thinking about how "cool" you are as you you work as a bank guard to supplement your detectives pension...... I'll be retired for real! With my family and liver intact from not having to work 70 hour weeks. I never get over the egos in the trech coat division! Go solve another gang bangers murder, B.F.D. At least as a supervisor you can take care of coppers. As we all know most of your "victims" are as bad as the offenders.
Signed, Your Fat-ass Supervisor
Wow, someone posts that they had a little pride in what they did and some nitwit has to bash them.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
DEAN Andrews is an asshole. Yes hes gay, yes hes a faggot , yes he sucks cock. But he's a shitty boss. Hes vindictive & a BITCH
OUCH!!
1/27/2006 12:25:50 PM
Is that why they call him ......
Nitwit is being kind...if a person is so bitter I suggest that they buy a newspaper, read the want ads and see what he or she could do outside of feeding from the public teat. As far as solving gang banger murders...we have them along with robberies, burglaries and rapes. Most Detectives try just as hard as any good policeman, uniformed or not, to catch bad guys.
Let me say that the Post at 1254hrs is a good one. Glad someone is proud of their job.
First off I am in the D Unit and proud of it. I do not think I am any better than someone in patrol. I am just happy if I can help out a fellow officer when I can. There are alot of supervisors that will not as they are too worried about their next promotion.
I love my job and have no complaints, other than the stupid micromanagment. The commanders do cut over time even on homicides so guess the Chief got caught in a lie.
As to the Supervisor that posted his angry litte slam against the retired Detective...Just a little fiancial thought. If your a Sgt you make about $8,000 pensionable dollars more than a D2A. Divide that into 12 pension checks a year and then take off the 28% tax. Your pension will be a whopping $480 a month more than mine.
Hope you have been able to max in differed comp (I have). Hope you have been able to make other investments on your massive amounts of overtime. (I have).
Enjoy working at McDOnalds or whatever suck ass job you do partime, since you dont go to court.
Your right it is gangbanger murders but what they heck they are more lucrative than a crappy security job.
Enjoy your retirement, because as a Detective I know I sure will be after investing all my overtime all these years.
$480 a month.....Wow You can live large on that. Enjoy the catfood in your retirment you pinhead.
put the list up; where are the new dicks going?
$480 a month.....Wow You can live large on that. Enjoy the catfood in your retirment you pinhead.
1/27/2006 05:09:07 PM
Where did you learn math? That's how much MORE he's getting, not the total amount. You must be a big earning detective to think almost $6000 a year CLEAR is not much money. Do you have $6000 you can spare? Anyway, I doubt he'll be eating catfood.
Glad to hear you're investing for your retirement though, many people don't.
Be safe
Here it is:
610: Aylward, Barrientos, Fleming, Fowler, R. Isakson, Jones, Keller, Khoushaba, Lewis, Park, Roberts, Senner, Spain, Swinkle, Vogenthaler, Walsh, Welch, Winstron
620: Alderen, Bacon, Carvajal, Connoly, Delfavero, Duignan, Franchini, Herhold, Hindman, Kalicki, Livingstone, McClinton, Mishler, Osika, Simpson, Svec, Tapia
630: Benigno, Rayan
640: Corral, Devine, Gallagher, Kane, Laurich, Miller
650: Becker, Bruno, Coffey, Fergus, Folino, N. Isakson, Traynor, Wojcik
No new dicks to Bomb & Arson? There is justice in the world!!
To: 11:38
You are right, Darrin was mentioned because he's been the largest thorn in my specific area, Milan is a second name among the three wise men mentioned. I just try to keep it short as possible.
There is one more pain in the ass of good D work.
As an old retired guy looking back I am proud of my work for many many years in patrol. Good arrests, great laughs,lifetime friends. Also in the OCU, more good arrests, more great laughs,more new lifetime friends, and add some great new stories.
But:
As a dick it was the best. just the term "The Bureau" still makes me proud and makes me miss the laughs and friends.
In the end that's what it comes down to.
Share some laughs with your friends, be proud of what you do and who you are get home safe and enjoy your memories.
Life goes on however, the same assholes on the job in every unit of this great department will always be assholes.
be safe coppers young and old.
TO the Poster at
1/27/2006 05:09:07 PM who said,
Where did you learn math? That's how much MORE he's getting, not the total amount. You must be a big earning detective to think almost $6000 a year CLEAR is not much money. Do you have $6000 you can spare? Anyway, I doubt he'll be eating catfood.
Learn how to read I said that would be the differance between a Sgt's pension and a Detectives pension. Not really all that much when you think about it. $480.00 isnt even a friggin car payment.
Congrats A/4 on your new D's HA HA HA ha
How come A3 only got 2?
The way the new CPD dicks were notified of thier assignments was, from what I hear, very low class.
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how did the dicks get thier new assigments?
"Merit", fool.
I had a blast in patrol and am having a blast as a Det. I work in Area 2 Hom. and can say it is a great job. I became the police to put scum-bags in prison and that is what I am doing. We can all moan and gripe about many things but the bottom line is your individual work ethic is what makes you a good cop or detective. This job is what you make of it. Yes the new rules suck, cameras suck and Felony Review usually sucks but taken as a whole the job is a good one.
Be carful
Be Careful
when's the next dicks list then ?!?!?!!?!?!?
This job is really starting to become worse and worse, did guys 20-30 years ago complain about the same thing crap... This would be an interesting NEW THREAD.
I would rather pay for my spot like the old days that ive been told about. Because you CAN’T earn a spot that’s for sure.
Does ANYONE care about morale of the police officers in the City? Anyone? Bueller ? Anyone? Bueller ?
HEY BIG BOSSES DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING ! Your losing a lot of talent to apathy that is being caused by .. wait for it
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YOU GUYS !
Make the department maybe a little more transparent maybe a little it would be a great start
Not really all that much when you think about it. $480.00 isnt even a friggin car payment.
1/28/2006 12:33:08 AM
You must be single and saved every nickle you ever made if you think $480 a month more isn't much. I think I have $40 in my pocket now.
Since it's not that much money, how about letting me have it?
Does anyone else here think that an extra $480 a month is peanuts?
"Anonymous said...
How come A3 only got 2?"
...only two spots left after bids...they had something like 7 spots and 5 guys bid in (or maybe it was 9 and 7 - dunno)-anyways- two spots left- two new disck's get to go to three...
All you "Dicks" must not have deyected the slam your brother made in his post about Supervisors. As a supervisor I make the extra salary, 3/4 of an hour a day and can sell back 22 hours (which we are given almost totally in the 3/4 a year) double duty availability (plus an extra $350) and I work 8 hour days! I have 17 years till I am 50, so I'll make Lt., which is even more in pension. So you see, we too can put some $ away. Since my job is not "The flying squad" I save tons of money in alimony, my kids recognize my face, and I don't waste 5k a year at Dugan's telling my war stories to police whores! How can you slam anyone, including supervisors and not expect a slam in return?
For you spelling detcectives, sorry I made a tyyypo.
Is the HBT over at the new Det Svec's....? Heard she was in the clock tower when she got assigned to Area 2.....She thought she had Area 1 Sewed up.....Oh well, I guess she'll have to wait for the next class
the alleged "slam" was only after some pinhead supervisor decided to talk shit about a retired detective. Wow and you did not "detect" that. Ya you will be the pride of the department when you make LT. You cockgobbler.
"In 17 years I'll be 50". Wow you made Sergeant in your 30's. Im very impressed. Next you will tell us how great of a Policeman you where before your promotion with what 7-8 years on the job? Toooo Funny.
PS..I still will make more than you even when your a LT.
Who cares? I am still where I am....Patrolman (assigned as detective! Now go pick up your sear's trench coat and be sure you don't break your arm patting yourself on the back at Dugans tonight.
It really hurts that you were not a detective doesn't it. Face it being a Chicago Police detective is the best job on the department.
I am not being negative about what other cops do. I am just pointing out a cold hard fact.
Ask Northside or any dick that made sergeant which job was best.
After almost 20 years on the job I am still happy to go to work as a detective.
I welcome my newly made brother and sister detectives to the fold. You will be very happy here I promise.
As for anyone that isn't a detective; don't be bitter, don't hate me because I am happy. I don't hate you for being grumpy.
Me thinks thoust does care. You seem upset by the fact that you make less than we do....HAHAHAHA
IM SORRY SARGE, I WOULD HAVE RESPONDED SOONER TO YOUR SLAM BUT
SHOCKED DETECTIVE SAID:
I HAD TO GO DOWN TO MY CONDO ON MARCO IS. TO TAKE DELIVERY OF A NEW 4-WINNS CRUSIER. DETECTIVE OVERTIME YOU KNOW, VEDDY VEDDY PLUSH. P.S. GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU CATFOOD EATING FATASS!!!!!!!!!!!! MEOW!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOUR EVER IN MARCO(AFTER PAYING FOR TWO SEATS, COME LOOK ME UP I'LL TAKE YOU FOR A SPIN, I'M KNOWN AS "SILM" DOWN THERE.
What's the big deal with Dugans? I'm a drunk who regularly spends a lot of time there. I only know 5 dicks that drink there regularly. Are you painting the other thousand detectives with the same brush? I bet your a real fucking stroke of a sergeant. You wouldn't have the balls to approach a detective in real life and talk shit to their face.. They probably do you a favor everytime they come to one of your fucked up scenes and straighten it out for you. Why don't you do something useful with yourself and take that stiff dick out of your ass and put it in your mouth. You're supposed to be the police first and the little dickweed sergeant that you are second.
P.S.
If you weren't such a cocksucker you wouldn't have to eat alone every tour.
Question of the day?
Who owns more Luxury Import Vehicles/Boats/Summer Homes/Rolex Watches?
Answers:
A) Detectives
B) Detectives
C) Detectives
D) Pinhead Sergeants
Made it easy for the Sergeant to figure out as he probably was never a Detective in his whopping 30 some odd years on planet Earth.
Hey Retired Detective, Glad to hear your enjoying your retirement in Marco Island. Beautiful down there. Stay Safe.
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To the 33year old Sergeant. Thanks for the clues. Even a mediocre Detective should be able to figure out who you are with the Alpha/Star query in CLEAR. Cant be too many 33 year old sergeants.
I say we try and guess who the pinhead detective hater is and out him/her.
Are you kiddin me? Being a Sgt. is one of the best jobs I ever had. Don't believe that B/S about it being the worst job in the Department, it's not. Now, I'll admit that being a Detective is a good job also, but being a Sgt. is much better. Remember, your part of managment which gives you much more freedom. I really do enjoy the job and feel sorry for those that disagree and won't take the test. Being a dic was fine, but being a Sgt. is much better. Remember, while your bogged down on paperwork on those unsolvable or B/S cases, I'm out the door on my way to Starbucks for a latte. The worst part of my job is being a beat team leader (CAPS). And even that isn't so bad if your in the right district. Now if you want to talk about the BEST job, lets talk about being a Lt. They have less to do than anybody. Now theres a job.
I've been a sergeant for a while now. The first three years I actually made less money. No more special, no court....it was tough.
BUT, I saw my wife and kids a whole lot more. I didn't wake up in a cold sweat wondering if I blew court. Midnights weren't bad because I could go home and go to bed....no court!
With the sell back I was making an extra $4500 clear a year. That sure helped with tuition costs. I know people who make more than me, but THEY WORK FOR IT!!
So go ahead detective(s), make all your money. I think it's great that you can. With the differance in salary plus the quarterly checks (these are little stipends ONLY supervisors get.....anywhere from approximately $3000 a year) you have a lot of OT to do before you break even with me. Then it's all gravy. But remember....NO ONE IS GIVING YOU THE MONEY, YOU'RE PUTTING THE HOURS IN FOR IT!
I'll relax and enjoy life with my family.
RETIRED DETECTIVE SAYS:
THANK YOU FOR THE KIND SENTIMENT MY DETECTIVE BROTHER. I MISS YOUNG COPPERS WITH GOOD PINCHES AND GOOD HEARTS, I MISS HELPING THEM AND SHOWING THEM A TRICK OR TWO. I THINK THAT THE MOST NOBEL THING YOU CAN BE IS A POLICE OFFICER, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, AND IF YOU DO BECOME A SUPERVISIOR, I PRAY YOU DON'T FORGET WHERE YOU COME FROM. TAKE CARE GUYS, TRHE SUN DOES SHINE. P.S. HAVE A NICE DAY SGT. FATASS, I JUST SAW A 747 FLY OVER, IT WAS TILTED TO ONE SIDE, ARE YOU COMING AFTER ME?
Its about time the BOSSES @ 35th Street stand up to Dick Devine & start changing the way cases are presented, How about a double homicide with 3 eyewitnesses that the state originally REJECTED charges???? Their response was that they could not win this case??? Isn't it about giving the family of the dead victims their day in court??
2 months later the states attorney approves charges saying that "it's chargable but might not be winable"
What kind of moronic statement is that from your prosecutors office with 3 eyewitnesses!!!!!!!!!
the Cook COunty State's Attorney's Office NEEDS to BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS........
F the States attorneeys office. If the fag O'Brien and Milan were not protected against liability I would have had five victims families in the last four years sue the States Attorneys office.
Darrin favorite words to the young assistants are he he is probably guilty but we are not taking this chance sending it to trail in case the offenders moma puts up the house for a real defense attorney. The avarage murder conviction sentence in my 20 years as a dick, 34 total is seventeen year sentences, therefore the offender is eligible for parole and is released in eight years. Having worked with Du Page and Kane County, (Aurora PD)
the conviction rate is 80 percent and the sentences are for a minumum of thirty years.
Milan & O'Brien should be exposed by the news media for their incompetence, but nothing will happen to them because the victims are all poor African Americans. That Birkitt in DuPage assigns the same states attorney to every murder, the same attorney follows the case through the system up to the conviction every thing but appeals process. Raises are based on accountability, after the Nicaro fiasco, the states attorneys are just as responsible as the police, and better cases are developed when the police and state work as a team not adversaries. And I left out that Faggot Fabio........Why is Daley so quiet it about his rain as States Attorney. He went out of his way to honor the Area 2 Dicks for handling the Wilson brothers, and now he plays dumb..dumb.. selling out Commander Burge.
O'Brien ran for Judge when he was the supervisor in Branch 38. Every good dick contacted every one they knew, not to vote for the J/O, after all the shit he pulled as an assistant.
Very good comments detective, but I hope the spelling and grammar in your reports are better than they are here. A comma every now and again makes your post easier to read and understand.
It's TRIAl not trail
rein not rain
attorney's not attorneeys
Well, you get the idea. And no, I will not go fuck myself.
Normally I'd tell the spelling police to go fuck themselves over obvious typos, but 7:40 is right....way too many errors from our "detective." If that is indiciative of the reports you write, it's a shame.
Oh by the way, since we're doing spelling police, it's "reign" not "rein." One is something in a horses mouth, the other is a length of time.
INDICIATIVE"???(sic)
People who live in glass houses...
You got me! I'm going to go fuck myself!
That sounds like fun. How do you do that? Do you have to have a long schlong?
Hey SUPERDICK! First of all, I didn't give my real info (close but not exact). Second, even if I did there are at least a dozen 33 Y.O. Sergeants. No wonder we aren't clearing up any crimes in this city! Whats the clearance on homicides now, about 40%? How many of those result in prosecution and conviction? Less 3 hour lunches and Starbucks and more crime fighting please, Super Sleuth.
I don't know about luxury yachts and mansions in the Bahamas that I guess all Dicks own, but I know that it must be from all the money you save buying those cheap-ass off the rack suits and fat ugly ties. Or how you like to put your motorolas on the table when you eat, so you get your police discount. The days of the glorious det. division are dead. Get over yourselves. Any job you can get with a G.E.D. or even 60 hours of college isn't attracting any gunius minds (myself included).Just remember Supervisors run this motherfucker!
You, sir, are delusional. I too am a supervisor and know that the real power lies with the patrolmen/detectives. If they don't wanna work there is no way we can make them. THAT is power!
wait a minute....all the good Sgt's have retired... you my friend at 33 yoa are still wet behind the ears and thus lack worldly experience..so there is no way you should have any say so about anything...go sign your sgt's log pussyfoot.
As a sergeant for almost ten years, I want to go on record that I do not know who 4:40 is, nor do I agree with his rantings.
Also, I don't believe he's a sergeant....just some goof talking trash.
All dicks are whiny little spoiled bitches...if ANY of you had to work the streets....NOT ONE of you would be able to handle it in between crying and bitching sessions!! You are a bunch of spoiled jagoffs who think you are gods....when all you really are , are crying cunts who take 2-3 hour lunches and depend on the patrol division to bring you heads and then you have the GALL to criticize the poor working coppers who are out there getting their hands dirty every day/night doing their jobs.....Dicks are just jagoffs plain and simple....
Man you can almost see the sweat rolling off his forehed and the spit coming out of his mouth. How would you like to be this guys wife or (domestic) partner. Lighten up dude and study harder next time so you can be one of us.
Well said 11:19. Remember that these guys are only P.O.s, so don't take their Prima Dona bullshit and don't let'em steal your heads. 9:42 glad you cleared that up. Great post,goof! 6:15 people will work for you if you treat them well, try it sometime. For instance when the detective is on the phone with one of your people and is trying to blow off his job...get in his ass! Your troops will love you for it.
8:03 Perhaps you are correct, or perhaps I'm just smarter than you. Either way, i do have a say, so deal with it.I'll probably be a Lt. before I'm 40, so whatever I don't know mustn't be that important. And don't give me this "young guys" bullshit. These young guys are finally putting this city back under control, something the "old guys" just couldn't seem to get accomplished.
sometime. For instance when the detective is on the phone with one of your people and is trying to blow off his job...get in his ass! Your troops will love you for it.
Dear 33y.o Sgt. first you might want to figure out what your guys have then decide if its enough to call the dicks. Maybe the dick isnt blowing off your case. Maybe your guys dont have enough yet for the dicks to handle the case. I have to assume you know what it takes to make a case after all you're a 33 Y.O. Sgt. Bottom line is it doesn't matter who "gets in their ass" no case is no case.
So bitch all you want. Even a superior police sgt like yourself can't make the dicks do a damn thing.
The reason homicides and violent crimes are down, and a blind man could see it, is the wrecking ball. The greatest crime reducer in the world. No projects alond State St. = zero homicides, zero violent crimes. This goes for the other areas of the city. No the suburbs are getting a real good taste of our relocated rats. It's almost funny.
Peter Sellers said "Even a superior police sgt like yourself can't make the dicks do a damn thing." Thats the point. The only time you guys get on here is to bitch when a new boss comes in and makes you work. Times are a changing and I love it! Go in any Area most of the Detectives are do nothings. Half are playing solitare and half are at a barbeque. There are of course, some hard workers but the days of milking O.T. till the cows come home and sitting around with your thumbs up your collective ass are coming to an end. People are starting to take notice of what is not being done. God bless the men and women who wear the uniform, they do everything except type the GPR. They are the heart, soul and backbone of this job. Most of everyone else on this job are just hacks and do nothing Prima Donnas.Oh, and you will do something if you are given a lawful and direct order, old man.
Oh, and you will do something if you are given a lawful and direct order, old man.
1/31/2006 05:05:40 PM
Another ridiculous statement by an uninformed supervisor. come up to any Area and give that order and see what happens. I love the guys that get on here and spout off about "Im a sgt you have to listen to me" not the case young man. you don't decide what cases we go out on. our sgts do. So come on up and embarass yourself its the only way you are gonna learn
Pops, its been done before when you guys are trying to blow off your jobs. Every time the boos over there has sent someone out, because I wouldn't be calling If it weren't a case that meet the criteria. They may not always be the best victims, witnesses, etc. but you still gotta do your job. Like I said, the D isn't the great hiding place it used to be. Q: If it is than why are about a quarter of all new Sgt.s coming from your ranks?
A: because in the long run they know its a better gig with more potential.
>>The reason homicides and violent crimes are down, and a blind man could see it, is the wrecking ball. The greatest crime reducer in the world. No projects alond State St. = zero homicides, zero violent crimes. This goes for the other areas of the city. No the suburbs are getting a real good taste of our relocated rats. It's almost funny. <<
Indeed a big part. The budget cuts approved by the house today reduce welfare and other entitlement programs by a good amount. They also increase welfare work requirements. You wanna see homicide reductions? Put momma to work.
Q: If it is than why are about a quarter of all new Sgt.s coming from your ranks?
A: because in the long run they know its a better gig with more potential.
2/01/2006 06:26:23 PM
Let me give you the real answer, KID Its because of Sgts like you with your 6-7 years on the job that think they are so smart. Always got something to say because you feel the need to speak. At least when the dicks make sgt we'll finally have sgts that know what their doing and will be able to teach the young guys. All you can teach them is "Im the boss" and if you dont like Ill beat you up with my test score. Good test taker does not equal good policeman.
Amazing that you know so much about me! Do you think this job is so complex that you can't learn it in under 10 years? Amazing that brain surgeons learn their trade in less time! I think someone who has been on the streets handeling all forms of the job for that amount of time my be able to come up with more answers than someone who has been doing the same thing in a specialized area (Det. Div.) for the last decade or two. But like all good detectives your ego can't take the strain of the truth.
Sorry for the mispelled word. I know that the spelling police are out there.
So in your six years you've handled enough of every possible number of cases and have specialized in each one and can handle anything that gets thrown at you without asking any questions. And you've worked tact/gangs, SOS, beat cars, SWAT, neighborhood relations, the desk, Narcotics, intelligence, Vice, Youve written tons of search warrants, testified on hundreds of felony cases (not one baggers)If you have then I guess I apologize you do know everything. I think what you meant to say is that before you made Sgt you wrote a bunch of tickets GOOD JOB HERO
01:54 why do you hate Detectives so much? Did some old-timer steal one of your pinches when you first came on and now you're holding a grudge.
Detectives are Police officers just like any patrolman, sgt, lt and up. We are all the police and we have our share of dogs and work horses sprinkled throughout the department.
Your terrible attitude in stereotyping all the detectives shows your lack of experience or at the very least, how closed minded you are.
I was a Detective and now I am a sgt. in the D unit and to be honest, you sound like an asshole.
I also wouldn't be singing praises for the guy down in Marco Island; he's just as bad as this Sgt. by lumping all supervisers together.
But hey, that's what makes this site so much fun. Anonymous jagoffs; I love it.
Oh yeah, again showing your lack of experience; try to jump all over a detective and see how much shit you get from his supervisers.
Just like I wouldn't get on a patrolmen's case; I would go to his Sgt. if I had a problem with him; you should do the same if you have a problem.
"Anonymous said...
Sorry for the mispelled [sic] word. I know that the spelling police are out there.
2/02/2006 01:56:03 PM"
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No Problem. I will give you a pass this time. I could have written a citation for the error in your correction. You were just trying to do the right thing, Carry on.
To 2/01/2006 06:26:23 PM,
The reason over twenty-five percent of sergeant promotions come from the detective division should be obvious, well, obvious to a detective anyway. The legitamit detective promotions, meaning not the merit picks, are given to persons who have proved they can pass a promotional examination high enough to get promoted. Since they passed one test, it's logical they should do pretty good on another. Thats the reason.
Get off you're high horse. It's not a bad job. But I'll take the sergeant spot if offered because it's a step up, and I still want to compete. I'll miss dinner at home with the family six nights a week in Edison Park. I'll miss Christmas shopping on Ritchies time, and I'll miss checking out the hot fishing action with the old timers at the Garfield Park Lagoon. But I'll enjoy trying to tell new policeman how to spot a re-tag and get PSMV without a chase. Or when to call the Childrens Advocacy Center instead of the Area on a sex case. Don't rap the D Unit, I'll never rap the patrol sergeant. We're all in this together.
Don't tell Maher but one of her commanders (Patty Walsh) is cutting back overtime on Homicide Investigations. Sending people home in the middle. She also went ballistic because a Detective took a witness down to Branch 66 after interviewing him to lock in his statement. WOW our command staff is so legit.
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