BOMBSHELL at FOP Meeting
Residency is on the table.
Let us repeat that: Residency is ON THE TABLE.
The FOP has instructed it's lobbyists to draft language amending the State Law that allows all cities with a population of over 1,000,000 to remove residency from the realm of collective bargaining. As the law is written, it applies to one single city - Chicago. The FOP is taking it's cue from other Lodges that have fought AND WON the right to make residency part of their collective bargaining contracts. This would make Illinois State Law into just about every what other single state in the union does already.
Of course, the City won't play ball on this and Mark Donahue admitted that it might be hard to line up sponsors for the bill (until the mayor goes away at least) and it will probably be a long hard road, similar to what we went through for over a decade to get HB 218 to pass in Congress, but it's a start. Let's see where they go with it.
Let us repeat that: Residency is ON THE TABLE.
The FOP has instructed it's lobbyists to draft language amending the State Law that allows all cities with a population of over 1,000,000 to remove residency from the realm of collective bargaining. As the law is written, it applies to one single city - Chicago. The FOP is taking it's cue from other Lodges that have fought AND WON the right to make residency part of their collective bargaining contracts. This would make Illinois State Law into just about every what other single state in the union does already.
Of course, the City won't play ball on this and Mark Donahue admitted that it might be hard to line up sponsors for the bill (until the mayor goes away at least) and it will probably be a long hard road, similar to what we went through for over a decade to get HB 218 to pass in Congress, but it's a start. Let's see where they go with it.
posted by SCC at 10:00 PM
130 Comments:
Im first, about time, good bye high property tax with no return
If this stuttering prick won't comply with a federal law, what makes you think he'll comply with a state law even IF it gets passed?
Yeah go ahead sue. Talk to me in 20 years after the lawsuit is over and you wind up paying his attorney's fees.
Who cares what Daley thinks about H.B. 218....it's law and he's out of it! So screw him
Regarding residency...I'll be retired before it's resolved, but good luck to those who will still be here.
It will never fly and heres the reason in one word: Detroit. They lifted their residency and its now a complete shithole. I don't mind living here, in fact I enjoy it. I'll enjoy it more when Daley gets indicted.
Nice job CHICAGO F.O.P.!
It matters not how long it takes to get RESIDENCY (or if we EVER get it)... ONLY that you FIGHT for it for US and that maybe that it will bring OTHER things we NEED and DESERVE!
Why hell I've got a nice REFRIGERATOR BOX picked out on the south side of BELLWOOD as we speak!
THREE CHEERS TONIGHT for the CHICAGO F.O.P. Lodge 7...
HIP-HIP HOORAY!
HIP-HIP HOORAY!
HIP-HIP HOORAY!
(S.C.C. - Thanks for the reportage... we may not agree on topics over the sea (or much under the sun) but this is your bread and butter... kudos!)
and ironically, on the same day that the Chicago Tribune finally runs a big-picture story about how homicides are rising in the burbs...
Oh well, DuPage county will welcome the law abiding among us. DUI laws might be enforced a bit more there, so the law-ignoring democrats among us should stay in Cook.
You love it here? Are you into self flaggelation or excessive masturbation? Honestly.
The city's manufacturing base is long gone to the 'burbs. Service industries are providing an economic base for now but for how long? One good economic depression and this shithole would be as vacant as Daley's head.
FOR: Kevlar Helmet said...
If this stuttering prick won't comply with a federal law, what makes you think he'll comply with a state law even IF it gets passed?
Yeah go ahead sue. Talk to me in 20 years after the lawsuit is over and you wind up paying his attorney's fees.
Totally agree with you!! FLOP won't sue, are you kidding? They don't want to ruin their reputations as being known for walking all over US, MR MAYOR, we will bow to your every whim, just to keep collecting our salaries, cause we don't want to work the streets anymore.
Police shooting in 025, 1 bad guy DOA, police are all OK from initial reports.... Hope that is the case and we r OK...
Sorry that was off topic too, thought all should know
SHOTS FIRED!!! SHOTS FIRED!!! Shots fired by the PO PO and by offeneders in ski masks at the AUTO ZONE Diversey & Central!!!!
OFENDER IN SKI MASK SHOT DEAD BY THE PO PO!!!
Robbery pattern of the Auto zones…. CLEARED
1 DEAD SAVAGE…. 2 other offenders in custody!!
WE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!
Robbery of Auto Zone. P/O's were inside on a robbery mission when three armed offenders entered and announced robbery. All three officers & sergeant opend up killing the first offender. Offenders #2 & 3 then gave up.
Excellent work and all officers are OK.
New Sgt Test Info - website www.CPDSGT2006.com not only has the printed material but you can also download the entire list for $10. Check it out
GET RID OF RESIDENCY!!!!!
Where ar the 025 haters?
Robbery of Auto Zone. P/O's were inside on a robbery mission when three armed offenders entered and announced robbery . . . .
Then the police killed the poor man? THAT'S MURDER!!
city council working on new law
requiring you to live in the city to collect a full pension... If residency is gone they dont have a leg to stand on. If residecy is still in effect and you retire to florida you will recieve only partial pension. Ask your alderman they know about it
Can you get your pension check via direct deposit???
Pension is controlled by both Illinois State Law and the Pension Board. The city counsel would be unable to diminish due to choice of residency.
a liberal said...
Robbery of Auto Zone. P/O's were inside on a robbery mission when three armed offenders entered and announced robbery . . . .
Then the police killed the poor man? THAT'S MURDER!!
1/17/2006 11:34:50 PM
You're kidding, right? If not, go fuck yourself!
Pension is controlled by both Illinois State Law and the Pension Board. The city counsel would be unable to diminish due to choice of residency.
Yet it is happening.
BULLSHIT!!!! City council has no power in how much of your pension you get controlled by state and board
Then the police killed the poor man? THAT'S MURDER!!
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You're kidding, right? If not, go fuck yourself!
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No I'm not.. they could have shot the gun out of his hand.. then, hit him over the head with a pennyloafer.. the bruts.
Oy Vie! ~~ Katie Couric(aka cunt ass liberal)
At least it's on the bargaining table.If property values continue to rise at the current rates,the city will have to make some concession.No one will be able to afford a home in the city on our salaries.It's already affecting recuiting.
NOT a DUI accident but 2 on-duty coppers were hurt in a bad accident in the 7th district tonite. Keep them in your prayers please
Just came from the hospital, one P.O. is ok, the other is paralyzed from the neck down. Pray for him.
DETROIT!DETROIT!DETROIT!What a shithole. Stay put city going to be all white in 20years. Unlike the future New Orleans!
If this shit keeps up with the on & off duty accidents, I think we're all goint to be on foot posts!
As far as Residency goes, I'd like to start packing, but I think "Kevlar Helmet said...1/17/2006 10:06:03 PM " is unfortunately right! (but Im keeping the boxed for "wishfull thinking!")
Another thing, do these "word verification" things look like a Polish name, or is it just me???
"Chocolate City" will have a distinct VANILLA flavor before it's all over.
The FOP should have sued years ago. Every city that was sued lost the residency rule. It has been proven unconstitutional. In our case, Fop has always INSISTED it be palced in the contract. They have alwyas felt that you should live in the city.
It is just a chip so they can give that away to get something else, like a lower pay raise for us.
Always remember, FOP has always, since the Lodge's inception, stood for only one thing Fuck Our Police.
They have sold us out time and time again and will do so always.
Forget the FOP, lets get a new union. How can we do it?
how come its ok for him to say "I want a 'chocolate city' "? but if I say "I want a 'vanilla city'" I'm screwed?
I'll Have a Fudgesuckle!
Oh yes, wiff nuts on top!
It's about time!!!!
It will never fly and heres the reason in one word: Detroit. They lifted their residency and its now a complete shithole.
Thats right Detroit is a shit hole. And if mayor studdering prick daley wants us to live here then we should be tieing a rope around his kneck and forcing him to pay us for doing so.
Watch what the lil prick wants for giving us 10 hour days back for the next contract. Why do you think the manpower is so low. Because once we are all on 10 hour days it will balance out.
But the king mayor daley will make it look like he did us a favor and probably ask for us to go without insurance or something.
Come on Mark Donahue, get in the fight. Take your soul back. Ram these issues right up the mayors ass.
Who cares who we upset. Its time for us to balance the books with the city. Make residency a part of the new contract. Make the 10 hour days a given and we give NOTHING back for them.
LA doesn't have a residency, and never has. Is it a shithole? NYC requires coppers to live within the counties that encompass NYC, is it a shithole?
Detroit had already turned into a shithole before residency was rescinded. With the rebirth of the downtown, westside, you name it, of the city, residency isn't an issue like it used to be.
The state law that prohibits collective bargaining for residency only applies to Chicago, and that's BS. I think we'll be successful in changing that law, the actual residency requirement is another story. But my money says residency will eventually go to the wayside. Too many municipalities in Illinois have already been forced to rescind it.
Time will tell, but in the meantime, FOP should continue to fight the fight.
a liberal said...
Then the police killed the poor man? THAT'S MURDER!!
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You're kidding, right? If not, go fuck yourself!
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No I'm not.. they could have shot the gun out of his hand.. then, hit him over the head with a pennyloafer.. the bruts.
Oy Vie! ~~ Katie Couric(aka cunt ass liberal)
1/18/2006 02:12:51 AM
You're either a copper busting balls, or the stupidest person on the face of the earth! You must have watched too many episodes of Quickdraw McGraw!
Commit armed robbery, you take your life into your hands. Point a gun at a cop, same thing. We are not trained to shoot a gun out of someone's hands, we're trained to cancel their ticket if they point a gun at us. Go get a life, and then get fucked!
The biggest investment we all purchased would go to waste. "Your Home". Property values would plummet. I know guys who recently retired and have made 100-200K selling there homes and then moving out. Good luck in Orland Park. The traffic is a nightmare out there and the homes are built like shit. Im staying. Every city dweller who I know that has moved to the burbs says it sucks out there. Boring as hell. No neighborhood taverns, no block parties, no softball leauges, no lakefront, no City festivals.
Anonymous said...
New Sgt Test Info - website www.CPDSGT2006.com not only has the printed material but you can also download the entire list for $10. Check it out
1/17/2006 10:52:43 PM
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Did not work.
Pls 2x check and repost.
He was a good boy, he was going to be a Doctor. The police did not have to murder him. The Police should have just shot him in the leg or something.
You highly over estimate the contribution of 5,000 police owned residences. Drive out of the 22nd District sometime and see the rest of the city.
Dear 1/18/2006 08:37:48 AM,
you, Sir, are a fucking genius!
Didn't pick up on any of the clues that the poster was just BUSTING BALLS, eh?
You will probably score well on the sergeants exam too...
Anonymous said...
The biggest investment we all purchased would go to waste. "Your Home". Property values would plummet. I know guys who recently retired and have made 100-200K selling there homes and then moving out. Good luck in Orland Park. The traffic is a nightmare out there and the homes are built like shit. Im staying. Every city dweller who I know that has moved to the burbs says it sucks out there. Boring as hell. No neighborhood taverns, no block parties, no softball leauges, no lakefront, no City festivals.
1/18/2006 09:02:35 AM
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Then you stay and enjoy your neighborhood bar, others want the option at better and free education, bigger yards and freedom form the 75-90 dollar city stickers. We won't take a bath on our houses, the city housing market does not need us any more. In the 60s 70s and 80s maybe , now? No way. We have so many non city workers living here its sick. Not to mention the millions of illegals that are dying to purchase your city home ie 90 percent of the southside.
People like you can stay, its not a threat to you.
I postedon a previous thread about residency, home ownership, and property values.
The population of Chicago is 2,869,121. The home ownership rate is 43.8% That comes out to 1,262,413.
Now you assume all 13,000 sworn members own homes, or you can extrapolate the 43.8% to us as well. Which is roughly less than 6000 p.o.s.
This is just over 1% of homes owned in Chicago. If the were all to be sold at once I dont think it would make a difference in the overall picture. Ask yourself this...How many homes are being sold in Chicago during any given year..I dont know the answer but Im willing to guess it is more than 13000 units. Therefore its my humble opinion that the housing market would not plummet if some of our members choose to move out of the city.
Those of us that bought over 10 years ago would not be hurt if we sold. Its the people that just bought a house in the last couple of years that would have to stay to build equity. It would be silly to buy a house now and sell it within the next couple of years.
I personally like and support the idea of getting rid of residency. I would like to think that can have the option of moving elsewhere if I want to.
The above information was obtained from the Census State and county quick facts. quickfacts.census.gov
Great! I've always wanted to sell my house for half of its current value.
this city is a great place to live if you make a lot of money. 70,000.00 don't buy much house these days and i for one would welcome the change.
You greatly over estimate your importance in the housing market. Get over yourself.
Boring as hell. No neighborhood taverns, no block parties, no softball leauges, no lakefront, no City festivals.
Are you kidding me! I quit going to Chicago taverns,the clientele in some of the southside bars was going to shit.Started going out to the the south suburbs years ago,met a lot of nice people,and a lot of nice females.No coppers out there standing at the bar with their 9mm's stuck in their waistband trying to look macho.(YO ADRIAN I BE THE REAL POLEECE).No Julio's coming in wearing 25lbs of bling and giving each other gang signs.Just a bunch of nice "WHITE"people having a good time.No fights,no war stories,and if you want to call me a "racist" thats your call,but I prefer to hang out with my own kind of people,without putting up with any bullshit.Plus you can smoke,none of this PC crap.Another 2 years and they get the star,and I'm outta here,south suburbs here I come.
To Above:
I dont know what bars you frequent on the southside but we dont allow that shit in our taverns. I am talking about way southwest in the city not the ghetto southside you refer to.
Police live in a few concentrated areas. If all of us sold our homes at the same time there would be a glut on the market, and your value would drop $100,000 at least in about twelve minutes. 1,000 homes on the market at the same time in 008, 016, and 022 would kill us.
And don't forget. If the police get it, the rest of the 30,000 Chicago employees will get it too.
enough about the residency already. after you dip shits move you'll be bitching about the commute! give it a rest.
You're either a copper busting balls, or the stupidest person on the face of the earth! You must have watched too many episodes of Quickdraw McGraw!
. . . . I think it’s safe to say we have found the most naive person on earth! Take it easy son.
This is just over 1% of homes owned in Chicago. If the were all to be sold at once I dont think it would make a difference in the overall picture. Ask yourself this...How many homes are being sold in Chicago during any given year..I dont know the answer but Im willing to guess it is more than 13000 units. Therefore its my humble opinion that the housing market would not plummet if some of our members choose to move out of the city.
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This guy is dead on.
YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT!!!!!
Get out of your ghetto distict and drive around the taxing paying/voting areas.
THE YUPPIES WOULD **LOVE** TO BUY YOUR HOUSE AT ANY INFLATED PRICE!!
YOU MIGHT EVEN MAKE MONEY OFF IT.
Detroit fell because the auto industry collasped NOT because a few thousand police and fire leff out.
I for one would love to give my tax money to a different town, AND send my kids to public school!
To Above:
I dont know what bars you frequent on the southside but we dont allow that shit in our taverns. I am talking about way southwest in the city not the ghetto southside you refer to.
1/18/2006 01:48:00 PM
I'm talking Cicero to Western,79th to 39th.It's shitcity now with few exceptions.Years ago (many years) that area had some great watering holes.I rest my case.
Anonymous said...
To Above:
I dont know what bars you frequent on the southside but we dont allow that shit in our taverns. I am talking about way southwest in the city not the ghetto southside you refer to.
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...AND we are trying to figure out why so many cops get DUI's and DOA's.
What bar to go to?? Who the f- cares?? Is THAT so important to you??
Here:
Alcoholics Anonymous
I just want to live where there are no section 8 mutts living for free while Im paying over 4 grand a year in taxes. Dont forget the $7500 per kid for highschool so my kids wont have to go to school with bey beys kids. I dont want my kids to grow up acting like the mutts from cabrin heat video.
If you love it here then stay!!!! The option would be a great thing though.
FOR: 1/18/2006 08:27:46 AM
Come on Mark Donahue, get in the fight. Take your soul back. Ram these issues right up the mayors ass.
Who cares who we upset. Its time for us to balance the books with the city. Make residency a part of the new contract. Make the 10 hour days a given and we give NOTHING back for them.
" I know a cop who would fight Daley and not sell their soul either!" The problem is FOP has no backbone to stand up for its members. If another cop disagrees with their agenda, they implement damage control and ruin the cop who dares to go against them.
Asshole PO"S kill people while DUI, sooooooo no PO should drink ever again, unless they are locked in thier basement.
A dude walked by your house so you want to sell and move to some fucked up suburb, yeah that what the Orland Park tightasses want ,a Chicago copper next to them, so you can sit in traffic all day, so your kids got nowhere to go, and nothing to do when they get there.
I hope residency gets shot down so all of these suburb wanna be's get lost, what the fuck happened to this job, and the MEN who USED to be on it?
"Anonymous said...
Police live in a few concentrated areas. If all of us sold our homes at the same time there would be a glut on the market, and your value would drop $100,000 at least in about twelve minutes. 1,000 homes on the market at the same time in 008, 016, and 022 would kill us.
1/18/2006 01:55:31 PM"
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Boo freakin' Who! With the cost of housing rising faster than our salaries, I can't afford a home in 016 while you scalpers who are retiring look at me with a straight face and tell me that you are selling your two bedroom in 016 for $350,000.
Cry me a freakin' river. Like I care about your housing profits.
You spent FAR FAR less of a percentage of your income on your home than you have the AUDACITY to demand that I spend to buy your home in 016 when you are getting ready to retire.
Humbug! I say Humbug!
"Anonymous said...
I hope residency gets shot down so all of these suburb wanna be's get lost, what the fuck happened to this job, and the MEN who USED to be on it?
1/18/2006 04:11:13 PM"
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I feel your panic. Be afraid be very afraid. See post above.
Here a good one... Tina Skahill ADS, commander.. whatever empty holster job she has just came out with a reminder.. posted in all CO books:
All department members are reminded of RULE #15: Department members are to never be intoxicated on OR OFF DUTY.
Can we get drunk if we are retired and STILL have to live in the city to collect a FULL PENSION?
I agree that residency is affecting recruitment who the hell can afford a house in the city now with our salary.
I hope residency gets shot down so all of these suburb wanna be's get lost, what the fuck happened to this job, and the MEN who USED to be on it?
THEY ALL MOVED TO ORLAND.LOL,LOL
$350,000 you say? Where the hell are you gonna find a decent home in 016 for $350,00? Better tack on another couple hundred thousand and THEN you may find something. This ain't the southside pal.
"Mr. Baird Warner said...
$350,000 you say? Where the hell are you gonna find a decent home in 016 for $350,00? Better tack on another couple hundred thousand and THEN you may find something. This ain't the southside pal.
1/18/2006 05:24:59 PM"
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You're right. I am sorry. please forgive me. I under estimated for sake of brevity. I won't do that again.
The scalpers will tell me they want $500,000 for their 2 bedroom 1 bath in 016 all while telling me they are giving me a deal because I am a copper.
Bwahahahaha!
Here in Philadelphia we have a residency rule that also requires us to live in the city. This is a major issue with us too. The FOP has said they have put residency on the table at contract time, yet we're still here.
Like Chicago, most cops here are concentrated in certain areas of the city (5th, 7th, and 8th Districts). There are still (but probably not for long) some nice neighborhoods to live in. However, because of a corrupt city government, high city wage tax, poor school district, and high car insurance rates, there has been a mass exodus of middle class working families from Philadelphia. Thus, leaving us city employees, who are forced to live here, behind.
There is currently a Bill in commitee in the State Senate to do away with residency requirements for police in Pa. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be great if we had a choice where to live.
It would be great to live in a school district where our kids could actually get an education, and not fear for their safety. It would be great to have the same rights as everyone else in choosing where to raise a family.
Good luck.
Thank you for your support, Philly!
5:55:45 PM
Gotcha!
We know you're living in Jersey. There's a GPS transmitter mounted beneath your personal auto. Come back across the river and surrender to the Internal Affairs Bureau on Dungan Rd. forthwith.
Insp. Stiffcock (215)685-5056
Ain't no way "little Richie" gonna let us go,"NO WAY".The little prick knows we won,t vote for him there's only so many of us,but he wants our MONEY.He's got all the section 8 trash marching to their plantation masters (aldercrawlers) and they'll vote however their told to,no ifs,ands or butts.and theres more of "THEM" than us. The only tax they pay, is for their Escalades with a set of 20"s on them.We're the ones paying the real taxes,home/school/etc.Ain't no way the little shit going to let that money go,just think of the cost on polish alone for his chrome kidney bean.
To whomever called Tina Skahill an empty holster you obviously know nothing about her history. Once upon a time she was the real police in 002 and 012
What did Skahill work? The desk or the lock-up?
Did she ever make any on-view Part I felony arrests? A lot? Hundreds? Tell us about them!
Thanks, Tina!
new york doesnt have residency... first time without it. starting salary as a direct result is $25,100. the police department requires the largest portion of the city budget. thus making the police the largest bloc of tax payers. why would the city just send it's tax money to some suburb?
last time i checked the residency requirement has been in place for a very long time AND has withstood numerous court challenges in front of REPUBLICAN controlled IL Supreme Court (it is now democrat controlled).
if you didn't like this city, why did you take the job? there are other departments, hell some of them even pay better.
"starting salary as a direct result is $25,100." - 7:06 PM
What does the above fact have to do with m.o.s. (non)residency in the five boroughs of NYC?
Your statement is a non sequitur.
New York changed their residency requirement many years ago...maybe on of our NYPD brothers could give more detail? Their city hasn't suffered because they let their officers live in the equivalent to our "collar counties."
I would stay in the city myself, but we should have the choice...
Nobody is forcing any of you to live in Chicago. Move. You just can't keep your job. Personally I don't think suburbanites should be Chicago Police anyways.
While some officers of the NYPD reside within the City of New York (Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn, Manhattan and the Bronx), most commute from adjoining Nassau (Long Island east of Queens), Westchester and Rockland Counties (north of the Bronx).
This has been the case for at least fifty years.
Probably a quarter of the LAPD reside in or near Simi Valley.
Would "lefty" (7:06 PM) please clarify his phrase "first time without it"?
While 7:43 PM is entitled to (what I perceive as an irrational) personal opinion, perhaps s/he could explain the basis for such magical thinking about "suburbanites" Such an opinion suggests that reasonable costs of housing, quality schools, economics and other pragmatic factors have been merely cast aside in favor of visceral politics that defy logical scrutiny.
Also, I'd welcome the apologia and/or rebuttal of 7:43 PM.
anyone know of a good enough lawyer,i repeat good" enough "lawyer that could help about 100 police that want to sue the department regarding only promoting 300 police off the present sgt. list
TOM PLIENES..........NOT!!!!!!!
To 8:39.
I'm w/in 20 out. Numerous different sources I trust still tell me that the list is not dead and there will be at least one more class. Unsure of the size but before we start shelling out money for a case that won't go anywhere,
sign up for the next one. Best case is you're out two bits and will make that back and then some.
Are you all stupid, people!? STOP NAMING NAMES on this board, or it will no doubt go the way of the PO Network. What is wrong with all of you? F**king up a good thing again, as always. Thanks, fellas. Nice going.
Its good to see some intelligent posts on the residency stuff. Thanks to our New York brothers for showing us how to do some decent, interesting posts. It has been getting really lame here with posts bashing TRU or 016 district. More of us should check out NYC,s blogs and post something intelligent, rather than embarrasing ourselves with attacks on our brother officers.
If Daley, or the legislature were to nix the residency requirement, they would also have to give it the Fire Department, Streets and everyone else. With all of them included it could have a some effect on the value of our homes. If we were to get that passed, it would allow Daley to treat us even more like dirt. As it is now he, and the other politicians do not fear us as a voting block. Another pipe dream, would be that any city employee, or pensioner retain voting rights for any office which is on, or appoints members to their pension board.
We need to put some fear in these people.
39,000 city workers, give or take a few. Then you have to take into consideration the Park District employees hired after 1976, the Board of Ed. employees hired after their residency kicked in. How many is that?
You make a point 11:51. Most of the postings have only been based on the police, but if we win, everyone wins.
Naaaa, the way the city is booming, housing costs skyrocketing, no one will miss the city workers.
Doesn't matter though, as long as King Richard II lives and breathes, it won't happen. A good first step will be to rescind the bullshit law that only applies to Chicago. Maybe down the road, after I retire, people can live where they want.
don't worry, things are changing. in my n/w side hood i look around and see many for sale signs and they don't dissapear quite as fast as they used to. a house sits vacant on my block, abandoned by a retiree owner who tried for a couple of months to sell and then got on with his retirement plans. i'm sure the sign will reappear on his lawn this spring along with many others. i see many elderly residents and predict that their estates will want to settle realativly quickly....it's just found money to them. remember, yuppies have a choice and there are some rather upscale burbs adjasent to the n/w side that feature good schools and simmilar housig prices. i look in the community news paper and see many listings with "new prices" and they continue to build new condos at a blistering pace...like maybee they are afraid of something.
prices got this high because of many reasons: investors, tax code change, lax lending standards, creative lending instuments and FEAR....the prices are only going up and if i don't strech to buy this over priced condo conversion with no parking in 024 and get in the market i will NEVER be able to afford a home in this city. after all, they aren't making any more chicago.
i think now there is a new kind of fear.....if i dont get this project built & sold i will be left holding the bag....if i dont dump this condo soon i may never get out of it.....if i can't sell my house soon i won't be able to get on with my retirement plans.
soon we will see if it's true that you can't lose in chicago real estate.
Chicago booming? Puhleeze. Cook County is leading the nation's counties in population loss. It was in the press last year.
Look at a list of the 25 largest Chicago area companies by market cap from 10 years ago. More than half are bought out, bankrupted, moved outta town, you name it. The sales taxes are the highest in the nation. Homicides per-capita lead NYC (by 3x) and LA (by between 1.0 and 1.1x).
Corruption? Out of control. What foolish CEO in his right mind would move a company here.
The newly safe downtown naborhoods and the last remaining safe fringe naborhoods are seeing housing appreciation, but the ghetto is on the move towards the fringes so dem dere copper naborhoods ain't safe investments.
Hard to say what is a safe investment in Chicago. Until Daley is gone, the moneymakers are makin money somewhere else.
City that works indeed.
What's wrong with posting names here that have already appeared in the newspaper?
ACOSTA..TERESI..etc, and the dozen others.
To the IRATE poster above, fuck rule 15..Have a drink and relax!
I have a feeling that (soon) the "bubble is going to burst" on the housing market. the prices have been going up EVERYWHERE! South loop, west loop, 016/022, The suburbs, has shot thrugh the roof in the past few years. Re -gentrification of neighborhoods... Can a cop or fireman just comming on the job today, afford a decent house, in a decent neighborhood? I dont think so. Residency "probably" wont affect/effect market value of homes. But if the timing is right, and residency gets lifted as (or right before) it bursts, you know Daley will blame it on the residency being lifted!
I think that every Police Officer in the city should have at LEAST a 4 year degree (Bachelor). With the tuition reimbursement program there is no reason not to have it (unless you are just that stupid and couldn't get it).
As for the residency requirement, I am all for it. I do not want someone from some suburb, who isn't smart enough to be the local police (wherever they live) patrolling my neighborhood.
If you are so smart, and this department is so bad, try the private sector. Oh yeah, you couldn't get a job with WM (Waste Management).
Wrong, there are plenty of black and hispanic officers that would be bailing out to the south and west suburbs in a heartbeat.
WOW!
The Chicago PD is really filled with people who do nothing but bitch and moan.
If living in Chicago is the most of your worries, quit, but don't come to NYPD. You will be in for quite a suprise.
to leftisbest:
You are not correct:
The challenge to the residency rule is not about your right to live where you want
it is about the right to arbitrate residency as a working condition.
the state law restricts ONLY chicago from even bringing the issue of residency to the bargaining table. every other cop union in the state of illinois has this right and when employed they are sucessful If you want to see the argument in print go to the FOP Illinois Labor Council web site and check the suit filed by employees of Cook County that is the battle that must be fought first then the issue of residency can be brought to the bargaining table in contract negotiations.
"NYPD GUY said...
WOW!
The Chicago PD is really filled with people who do nothing but bitch and moan.
If living in Chicago is the most of your worries, quit, but don't come to NYPD. You will be in for quite a suprise.
1/19/2006 04:29:11 AM"
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Have you read the NYPD RANT meathead? I doubt VERY much that you are NYPD.
lefisthebest said...
"last time i checked the residency requirement has been in place for a very long time AND has withstood numerous court challenges in front of REPUBLICAN controlled IL Supreme Court (it is now democrat controlled).
if you didn't like this city, why did you take the job? there are other departments, hell some of them even pay better.
1/18/2006 07:06:23 PM"
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Many cases have gone to the Supreme Court that stood, doesn't make em right. So did abortion. Are you worried about Roe Vs. Wade being overturned, after all Lefty, it has been decided by the Supreme Court. We all know decisions can't be reversed right!
Any law that applies SPECIFICALLY to Chicago is unconstitutional and the population requirement is subterfuge for not naming only the city.
Hey, Genius. Obviously the post regarding not NAMING NAMES on this blog had nothing to do with names published in the newspaper. It was directed at the meathead who found it necessary to name names about who sent out the FAX on discussing Rule 15 at roll call. That FAX is in everyone CO book citywide. If you want to know who sent it out, READ THE DAMN THING. All that poster accomplished was calling someone an "empty holster" and discussing her BY NAME on this board. Not cool, no matter how you look at it.
This department is 10,000+ strong, but we all know who the bosses are. USE INITIALS or better yet, USE ASSIGNMENTS. We should all be intellegent enough to know who is being discussed.
Are we all really that curious to see "WHAT HAPPENS NEXT", as SCC had already implied in a previous post regarding this issue?
Thank you for sharing, Tina.
Since you were the "real police", perhaps you can regale us about your prolific record of Part I felony pinches. When I grow up, I want to be just like you. Inspire us about your cloutless, meteoric rise after "law school".
"nypd guy" is a hung-over (4:29 am) impostor. There was no East Coast traffic on this site at that time.
To the guy talking about the housing market of cook county moving out in the past ten years. I beg to differ my friend! That is the legal home owners that moved out, most sold to illegals that don't show up on the census. How many Illegals do you think we have in chicago alone?????????????Thats all unknown census numbers. The average person knows just by driving on any street that there are definetly a whole lot more cars around(being driven by no lic.illegals) The population has massivley increased in Cook county
To 1/18/2006 11:51:20 PM
I would humbly disagree about the residency rule hurting property values. I posted earlier that compared to the rest of the home owners, we are a small percentage. Add in the rest of the city workers and that percentage would go up to 5 or 6% of all home owners. Assuming for arguements sake that ALL city workers are home owners. This of course isnt close. Using the known data of 43.8% home ownership, it would be less than half.
I dont have any exact figures on the total amount of homes for sale within the city, but I would venture to guess it is greater than 39,000 units.
Drive west on 107th St. from Kedzie through Mt. Greenwood, there are quite a few for sale signs. Add in the other houses that dont put up signs. There are houses for sale everywhere. The market hasnt suffered. I agree that the market will cool. It will cool with or without residency.
Anyone that bought recently, it would not be wise to move until you build equity in the home. The others that bought years ago have leverage with the equity built into the homes.
No residency gives us choice, it gives the city a larger pool of prospective applicants. I have to agree with other posters, the city does not need us. There will always be a market for the homes in the city.
I wouldnt leave, not right now but down the road it is a nice option when it is closer to retirement.
Be Safe.
The only loser in resid. is the catholic schools. They would lose many many city workers kids. They should have thought about that when the teachers salaries are nill to none but the education there has tripled in the last 15 years
Dick Head said:"Thank you for sharing, Tina.........."
Jesus Christ you jealous tool! I worked for the lady in 007. Once she got setteled in she became a good boss. Bosses are administrators, you don't need to be the King/Queen of part 1's to be a good boss. This lady did work the streets, I wouldn't say she is a "street cop" but at least she isn't some retarded political hack. She is also down to earth unlike most of these gold stars and pretty damn educated. You can take all your super police shit and enjoy it as you jockey your beat car tyhe rest of you carreer, Clown!
No I don't work inside and I'm neither female or black.
Don't give us that "real police" bullshit, Tina. Since you now concede that you were neither the "queen" of part I felony arrests nor a "street cop", our rage has subsided.
Just don't try to give any spurious impressions that advancement on this job is legit or that most "bosses" were ever the REAL PO-LICE rather than the political suckholes they truly are.
We once had a Chief of Patrol that bragged that he worked 011 for years. While he wasn't a bad guy, his experience in 011 was confined to working the fucking lock-up.
The coppers who have worked the mean streets of 007 and 011 and all that it entails have more in common with our NYPD brethren in the South Bronx and Brooklyn hellhole precincts . Acknowledge that truth and you'll have no grief on this site, Ms. Tina.
Keep it up and you and your ilk will get relentless criticism that you truly "merit".
Have a nice day!
Next you'll be saying don't mention Cline's name. If you are a boss your name is open game. Should have thought about that before you called your masters.
My name isn't Tina and I have no connections on this job. I have always worked the streets in fast southside districts. My point is that she is a smart lady and decent to work for as a boss. Yes you must be connected to get a gold star, but at least she isn't one of these clueless arrogant assholes. I am an M/2 and I'll tell you right now she is alot cooler than many of these M/2 and M/1 egomaniac jagoff gold star bosses. Being a getter of part ones makes you a good street cop not necessarily a good top level manager. I met many great cops who weren't able to read or write very well. Great to have 'em as back up but I wouldn't want 'em making command decisions.
I know your Tina almost as well as I know Tina Turner.
We actually have grounds for agreement if you'd kindly answer this hypothetical:
You have officers who have made hundreds of Part I felony arrests during their careers, much of which was spent working in the shitholes of this city. When it comes to legitimate testing (IQ, LSAT, SAT, etc.) the officers high scores are all but off the charts. The officers are respected by their peers as the best street cops the CPD has to offer.
However, these same officers are apolitical and have absolutly no desire to be a fawning sycophant to anyone. They (erroneously) believe that their consistently outstanding police work speaks for itself. Leadership by example.
Consequently, these officers are invariably passed over for promotion in favor of house mice, empty-holstered political hacks and cronies.
Please advise.
Alito to be confirmed. God Bless America and God Bless President Bush.
4 more years!
4 more years!
Right on, "ghetto copper"!
Here's some of my pet peeves regarding your hypotheses:
The anonymous that constantly chime in with the following, my responses appearing in parentheses.
"You're all whiners and cry babies. Study harder!"
(What are we suppose to do with the most corrupt big-city PD promotional system in the USA? Stay silent and bite our tongues or praise the rigged process? We have every reason to complain.
"The job beats digging ditches or working for a living. STFU!"
Speak for yourself, dog-ass. Obviously, you have diminished expectations. There are members of the CPD who are intellectually gifted and could be earning much more in the private sector. Due to pride, professionalism and their devotion to law enforcement, they remain members of the CPD.
"The job has always been about clout. If you don't like it, quit!"
(You quit! Who the fuck are you to condone mediocity? Every profession must strive for a meritocracy which rewards
excellence and professionalism.)
Is there anywhere on this blog that the I.Q level of the poster rises above double digits? Here's a few tips on raising your blog I.Q.
1: Stay on the posted subject. (This is very important if you wish to make an intelligent reply to the post.)
2: Usage of grammer and proper spelling isn't optional, it's mandatory.
3: Re-read number one.
4: If you can't stay on the subject and wish to defend a rat boss, go fuck yourself.
See how easy that is.
One of the best advantages of the NYPD RANT is the format. Unlike the SCC, you can address a myriad of subjects separately. The boring stuff and exhausted blogs descend to distant pages. That would solve this site's inherent problem with staying on topic.
"kevlar helmet" Re: your above Tip #2. Try "gramm(b)A(/b)r".
You're forgiven. We're all human. Just don't get too cavalier about the misspellings and grammAr of others.
We're still waiting for a response from Tina's apologist(s) to "dick head", "ghetto copper" and "wtf".
Tongue-tied??? Your silence is deafening.
CORRECTION TO ABOVE: "grammAr".
See, kevlar. We all fuck up from time to time.
lefisthebest said...
new york doesnt have residency... first time without it. starting salary as a direct result is $25,100. the police department requires the largest portion of the city budget. thus making the police the largest bloc of tax payers. why would the city just send it's tax money to some suburb?
last time i checked the residency requirement has been in place for a very long time AND has withstood numerous court challenges in front of REPUBLICAN controlled IL Supreme Court (it is now democrat controlled).
if you didn't like this city, why did you take the job? there are other departments, hell some of them even pay better.
1/18/2006 07:06:23 PM
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Left, is there somting wronf with trying to make OUR lives better?
Why can't we march in and make demands?
Or did you go "all in" on a NW side ranch? $$$$$$ Too bad for you.
Anonymous said...
anyone know of a good enough lawyer,i repeat good" enough "lawyer that could help about 100 police that want to sue the department regarding only promoting 300 police off the present sgt. list
1/18/2006 08:39:49 PM
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Negative! Sorry, pal, the "right" few made it, you are just SOL. Don't worry, you must have taken good notes, waht to run a study group??
The real problem with residency is that you cannot enforce Medical abuse if coppers live in DuPage, etc.
Here is the deal:
We get: no more residency.
They get: 12 sick days a year.
Let's have a vote!
I'm +1
i think now there is a new kind of fear.....if i dont get this project built & sold i will be left holding the bag....if i dont dump this condo soon i may never get out of it.....if i can't sell my house soon i won't be able to get on with my retirement plans.
soon we will see if it's true that you can't lose in chicago real estate.
1/19/2006 12:05:47 AM
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Amen!
Hurry! Get this condo up now!!! What happens when you pour comcrete in the middle of winter like at the University Village and Roosevelt Sq area (012)?? The concrete does not cure right. What happens when a condo's foundation's all cracked up and leaking?? SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS!! We're talking $100,000's in some of these huge complexes by ALBA.
So you bought a 2 bedroom Duplex condo for $450,000 (no joke) add taxes, assessments, NOW a special assessment comes down on your ass. For get Catholic school Jonnie! EVERY window has to be replaced in this 200 unit former loading dock trendy shit hole.
Corruption? Out of control. What foolish CEO in his right mind would move a company here.
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I know one! Boeing.
Malcolm X's little brother said...
It appears from this thread if the residency rule were lifted, only European-American officers would be fleeing the city for suburbia.
Adios!
1/19/2006 03:49:59 AM
TOOL!
AHH Salami see ya !!!
I think that every Police Officer in the city should have at LEAST a 4 year degree (Bachelor). With the tuition reimbursement program there is no reason not to have it (unless you are just that stupid and couldn't get it).
And if you are in a working district, you have lots of court. Don't forget the family. When exactly should I go to school?
Some of the worst cops I have seen are the ones who came on after the school was required. Street smarts is what you need for this job, do they offer a degree in that at any school you know?
1/20/2006 05:24:37 AM
A-fucking-men, brother, A-fucking-men!
Four year degree mandatory huh? That would really open up the candidate pool, wouldn't it?
It's on this blog somewhere, "too much college, not enough high school" and that hits the nail on the head.
Some of the worst cops I have seen are the ones who came on after the school was required. Street smarts is what you need for this job, do they offer a degree in that at any school you know?
1/20/2006 05:24:37 AM
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Worst, like Pacman-worst? Gee, Pacman must have had 2 Phd's!
No SUCH THING AS A GOOG LAWYER!
What the fuck are you thinking?
Question: Corruption? Out of control. What foolish CEO in his right mind would move a company here.
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Answer: I know one! Boeing.
Retort: Boeing moved something like 55 jobs including the CEO to Chicago. This is a company that employs thousands. The CEO had a preference to be in flyover land between the coasts, and they had a chance to take a shot at Seattle's local government at the same time. So they announce they are "moving" to Chicago.
There are more Boeing employees at dozens of other sites in the U.S. None in Chicago. So its not accurate to say they moved the company here. They only moved the CEO, a few execs, and a bunch of secretary jobs here.
Little known fact.
Largely the Catholic whites who avoid paying thousands to mostly mediocre Catholic schools in the city. Nice tradeoff if you have 3 or 4 kids of school age for whom you'd be paying 10-20K in tuition if you had to send them to private schools in the city.
And, of course, there are the lower auto insurance rates... the fact that the suburbs are where jobs and companies (if any) have moved or opened.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a R. The only suburb I actually like is Oak Park (though its D like most of Cook County). But people can give very rational reasons for living in the southwest suburbs, and a rational economic calculation pans out and washes away any difference in taxes for most.
Does anyone else remember a few months ago when King Richard mumbled something about taxing the
salaries of people who worked in the City of Chicago, but lived outside the City Limits? Before anyone jumps up and down bitching, "he cant do that!" I know, I know... And residency is "unconstutional" and retirees can pack, etc, etc, etc... So we get the residency lifted, what about this?
Another Issue with Cops/firemen/teachers/Streets & San... moving out to the "burbs". Do ou think we are all going to move out on the same day? Do you think some are going to move at all? The guy with 25 years on, and the place in Fla/Ariz. for his "summer" home all ready for retirement, do you think he's moving to the burbs for the 4 years (+1day) he's got left? To the Hundreds of cops who just put the addition on (and took out the decent loan/2nd Morgage): Is the Money right so you can move?
TO:
..."Now you assume all 13,000 sworn members own homes, or you can extrapolate the 43.8% to us as well. Which is roughly less than 6000 p.o.s."...
You have to figure into the equation Firemen,Teachers, Streets & San... Give a rough 3% figure with them added in, plus another 1% of those renting and decide (because they can afford to) to move out, +1% thats 4, play the odds some more, lets give it an even 5%. I dont think that 5% is still enough to change the "overall picture" like you said, but thats what % of the Citys revenue in Taxes, city stickers...What does Daley want more? Cops/Firemen... living in the city, or the Cash we give him? We might get to leave, but at what price? and what else are we going to have to give up at the table when our contract comes up? This AINT about playing fair! Its about what can Ritchie get, and how much will he make us give up!
Personally, I like my neighborhood. I put an addition on my house too. I'm not going anywhere. City stickers and auto insurance aside, my taxes are very reasonable (southsider) and I have no complaints.
But everyone else who wants to move should have that option. It won't happen overnight, but the first step is to get that bullshit Chicagoonly law off the books. Someday the younger people may have the choice of where to live.
of course it would hurt property value but only in certain areas. 016 and 022 would be hit hard since the majority of us live there. Cops in 016 are only going to live in 016, it narrows the market thus increasing the value. You can count most city workers in there, is a guy with a good city job living in 016 going to move to a townhome in 019 or some lessor house in 017 or 024? NO. He is going to continue to shop in his own area - again, increasing the value. What is a cop in 022 going to do? move to 005? I dont think so. The downside for northsiders living in 016 is that they will probably lose some home value and where can they go...Skokie? Park Ridge? Linconwood? Not on our money, Norridge and Elmwood Park are options but would not be a step up. Its a lose lose situation for 016 coppers
To the above post, you are assuming that every Cop/city worker will move at the same time. The odds for that are astronomical.
Ask your self how many homes are for sale at any given time in the norhtwest side. I would bet quite a few more than you think.
I posted earlier that the housing market will cool regardless if we get residency rescinded.
Then it will only hurt those that got into "house flipping".
To the poster who challeged the "tina apologists" to post I didn't reply to all your anti-Tina Skahill bullshit sooner because I've had better things to do than read this site lately. Tina did not post that she was a "street copper". I am a former co-worker of hers from 20 years ago and I posted it. She is street smart, made her share of good on- view arrests, and was fun to go out drinking with after work. Obviously her advancement has changed her a bit but that comes with the program. There's no reason to be a blueshirt forever if you don't have to be one. Some people do get promoted by studying, if you do well enough the city can't hold you back even if they want to. I know she made Sgt. legit off the 1994 list where there was no meritorious. I made it with her. For those of you without the time or experience on the job to know what they are talking about perhaps you will learn to do some research before you shoot your mouths off. Until then in the spirit of this blog, go fuck yourselves.
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