A Guy Who Gets It
Everyone ought to read this article. We thought we made a few points in our little post about why the Virginia jury (and the American justice system) failed in the Moussaoui case. Mark Steyn in the Sun Times completely buries those who think this should be a "Law Enforcement" action rather than a War.
"America, you lose," said Zacarias Moussaoui as he was led away from the court last week.
Hard to disagree. Not just because he'll be living a long life at taxpayers' expense. He'd have had a good stretch of that even if he'd been "sentenced to death," which in America means you now spend more years sitting on Death Row exhausting your appeals than the average "life" sentence in Europe. America "lost" for a more basic reason: turning a war into a court case and upgrading the enemy to a defendant ensures you pretty much lose however it turns out. [emphasis added - SCC]
Go read the whole thing. It'll change your way of thinking of the "War on Terror."
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
54 Comments:
Its too bad I am not the warden at the prison where he is held
He would be begging me daily to execute him
to continue the first post
His cell would be full of vermin
his food would be mouldy
sanitation would be non existent
Light and noise would be bothersome
and boredom would be the order of the day
Id make dr Mengele look like a girl scout
These were 2 good posts from another thread.
Just want to get people thinking here. Cleveland P.D. is taking the city to court over their residency issue (same as ours, have to live in city). What the heck is our FOP doing?? It always seems to me like our fop is johnny come lately on everything and just jumps on the bandwagon from other cities initiatives. For instance the milwaukee time due thing (it's our time.. we should b able to use it whenever WE want to). Why isn't our FOP on the forefront with these issues. We are a huge dep't with lots of members and due's money, why aren't they in court fighting for our right to live outside the city?? Makes you wonder when u step back and think, really what have they done/are they doing for us?
5/08/2006 12:45:42 AM
Anonymous said...
I agree with that last poster. I think most of us would agree that the top of our all our wish lists is to get rid of the 6 day work week and the residency issue. Why in the world are we not allowed to live where ever we want. It's unbelievable to me that in this day and age they can still get away with that. So, that being said, what has the FOP done on those issues?? I'll give them that they tried that pilot program with the different work schedule... but what the heck? What happened? Sounded like everyone liked it. Why is our union doing nothing on this! I think everyone would support the union more if they actually fought for us, instead to me it seems like they just roll over. What are we paying them for? They have not done anything on the residency issue. I think they're playing the ol' game of wait and see what happens with other cities fights, but that's no way to gain support of your troops. Get in there, get in the fight. Do the job we elected you to do. Do what you promised us when you came around campaigning. Fight for us!
Alot of people are gonna get screwed if that residency rule is changed....I agree with getting rid of the 6day work week cause its killing us but, people have time vested into their homes, communities, kids in school. Kinda hard to just get up and leave. You gonna get what you are asking for your house? I think not. If you think its cheaper living in the burbs then you are dreaming.....you'll get killed on property tax....so lets watch what we wish for. Be safe everyone, always keep your head up and eyes open.
Perception is what counts in our world today. Had we put that prick motherfucker to death, his followers would have placed him on the martyr's pedestal. He doesn't deserve that. He was willing to murder innocent people for some fucked up interpretation of his religion. No where in the Koran is suicide tolerated. You have assholes with their own political agenda who talk stupid assholes into blowing themselves up for the promise of "martyrdom" and whatever else nonsense they can feed their feeble minds. If it's such a great idea, why don't they do it themselves?
Our society believes in an "eye for an eye." If this was strictly an American problem, I would understand. Unfortunately, we're dealing with a situation that is in the court of worldwide public opinion. Therefore, fuck this asshole! Don't give him shit, don't give him the privilege of joining "martyrs" or any thing even closely resembling that.
He's in his 30's......he will probably live another 40 years at least. Let him rot in Colorado in solitary confinement. I don't care how dedicated he is to his bullshit calling, time will wear him down. Time will show him that he was duped and that he's a dumbshit. Time will march on, life will march on, and all the while he's left behind. Good...fuck him. In 20 or so years we'll be hearing about how he's "rehabilitated" or some other nonsense. Fuck him! He'll rot in Colorado and that's OK with me. My 2¢ on the subject.
You are just being selfish. Your house value is going to go down, your kids schools, etc... . Well what about all the new people coming on the job? Are to suffer and try to scrape up 300k to buy your little fixer upper in mt. greenwood b/c that's the only place they can afford. That's a bullshit, selfish reason. I'd gladly pay the extra property tax in a nice suberb, then i would send my kids to free schools that aren't filled with animals. You just don't want the residency lifted b/c you know you wont be able to sell your crappy little house for a super inflated price. Quit being selfish and look at the bigger picture. You must be a complete idiot if you would rather have someone tell you that you can only live in a certain boundry instead of wherever YOU choose. You my friend are a selfish moron.
I'm not selfish 1st off, 2nd...if you think houses in the burbs are cheaper then.....I'd rather be selfish then STUPID! Last time I looked Chicago was looking pretty dam cheap compared to the burbs. And its not about having a crappy house so dont go guessing moron and I dont live in Mt stinkwood either. I'll agree that it would be nice to live in the burbs, I'd be stupid not to, but it just isnt gonna happen and too many people are gonna get fucked! F'n 2yr rookie, you wanna live in the burbs then be a suburban cop.
Besides you MORON, you knew you had to live in the city when you took the job. How bout the FOP hammering the city for better pay, tax breaks, lift some of borders so our kids can go to a decent public school.....cause they are there or tax breaks for sending kids to Catholic/private schooling. You wanna hang your hat on the burbs then you are the moron. There are better things our union can and should befighting for.
Well..........I'm waiting for your intelligent response......
Figures, well I guess I'll read more of your "intelligence" when I get up 2morrow. Think real hard for a response Assbag.
the fact remains, new guys can't afford housing. SOMETHING has to be done about this. we are heading toward a 2 tier dept and divided we are weak. imagine a divided barganing unit....i mean deeply divided ( haves and have nots ).
eventually the new guys will be stronger in numbers and trade away long term beni's for immediate gain.
we must stand together....a problem for one is a problem for all !
I agree with 1:36 let him die with a wimper not with a roar
I'm not a rookie and I own a nice home. The residency rule is still unfair. Your arguments are just a cover up for your fear of losing value on your home. That in itself is not a valid argument. There is no reasonable legal or practical reason that we should be required to reside in the city. I pray that your son comes home in box Chevy with dubs and your daughter is knocked up by a nice young lad named Demetrious. Then you will realize that some things in life are more important than the value of your raised ranch in Garcia Ridge.
9:25...........
You Sir,.......are a MORON.....and my guess, not the police, either
Maybe 9:25:51 we should should discuss this....you and me? I'm sure we could come to some sort of agreement or middle point. Lets say a neutral place?
You two bithces need to duke it out, but not here. Remember, the public views this blog too. How does it look when we cant even get along on a blog? Grow up. Who cares about your arguments. Go to work, go home safe. End of story.
Lets argue then if you are so quick to wanna move outta the city then who do think is gonna buy your house? Who is gonna wanna live where you are at? You guessed it.......cause they will be the only ones who'll be able to afford it. How about keeping your/our neighborhoods the way they are. I'm sorry man, but I had to work and save a whole lot to have my house and I'll be dammned if you want me to feel sorry for a couple of rookies coming on the job! Hate to tell you........ass....but its hard for everyone out there! And your comments about the caprice and demetrious would get your teeth knocked in if we were face to face but we'll never know right? Here's an easy solution: why dont you move...I'll buy your house for whats its worth ($140..150K) I'll bulldoze it down and make my self and new one and when you are sitting in the burbs with all of the ghetto rats from the projects and where ever they came from (cause you know thats where they are going) you can be happy to know that I'll be living juust fine. Like I said earlier..........you are just a 2yr rookie and a MORON.
to 11:33:39
We are allowed to argue when good arguements come up....I think this one qualifies. Would you rather talk about Seiser, the A/2 gun team, Detectives, 8th,022,16th districts? I know I would get sick of seeing those so I choose to argue about something job related and something that hits home. Sorry to sound like two kids but I was'nt the ass who started with the crap comments.
This Guy is an all time "DOG"
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
5 may 06
Bt.2211
2nd watch
103rd and Hale
Offender broke the plate glass window to the dry cleaners. Remained on the scene. I went in and dropped off clothes. Offender waiting for a cab. Owner tells me that he broke the window. Cab comes and offender gets in. 22nd District still hasn't arrived. I flash badge and tell cab driver not to leave. 2211 shows up. Over weight white gut with salt and pepper hair and mustache gets out. I go to get something from Calabria. When I come out 2211 is gone. 2290 is there. I ask the dry cleaner if they locked offender up. He tells me that 2211 wouldn't lock him up and let him go. Fucking COWARD. This mother fucker is the guy showing up when your wife/mom/da/kids call the police. Working 2211 on the second watch. As I drove home i saw the mother fucker leaving the white hen parking lot. Name something like F****t. Tell everyone call 22. Let this motherfucker work the east end of the district if he don't wanna take care of business. Asshole probably lives in 22 too since he's working there on days. Out him and get rid of him. You could be next.
5/05/2006 05:21:26 PM
His name is big dog Fesset live on 2211 patrols from his living room. Sucks up to the bosses and District Commanders Secretary
5/07/2006 09:18:42 PM
William Golding said:
A candid Chuck Hagel:
Listen in on a press conference call with Sen. Chuck Hagel, who is fast becoming the Right's most-hated Republican. Some of the choicest quotes:
"If you're a Republican in Congress right now you're probably a little bit concerned about your future in public office."
"This war, in particular, is costing us more money than the Administration ever told us it would.....The new numbers monthly costs now are at about 10 billion a month in Iraq versus where we were a few months ago at 6 billion a month....This administration has abused this process."
On Republican congressional spending: "What we're doing to this country is almost criminal."
That damn Hagel. Even if his American Conservative Union rating in 2005 was 96%
Jackals eating their own. . .
Sorry, the collar burbs homes are just as high as Mt. Greenwood, Edison Park, etc, taxes double, triple. Oh and by the way, where do you think all these morons that are being displaced by CHA and urban renewal are going. If you're a dope dealer do you want to stay in a city with thousands of cops, or some town with a 40 man force, no gang experience and where most of your customers live anyway.
Finally! Someone who has the right idea along with the ealier post. To the moron posting that crap earlier.......eat shit
The coppers who want to live outside the city want to leave the city because they support the republican party and know republicans will never win in the city
Let's lift residency so we can move to Kendall or Dekalb county and still pay over 300K for a house and watch our taxes triple every year because there is no infrastructure to support the rapid growth and then pay $4 a gallon to drive a couple of hours to and from work every day. Get real, worry about your pension, health care and prescriptions, because you can live anywhere when you retire, but you'll need the money to do it.
Anonymous said...
so we work an 8 1/2 hour shift with an upaid lunch. who here has ever told someone who interrupted their lunch that they were on an unpaid lunch and then didnt actually get written up for it? we work an 8 hour shift. lets get rid of that so called unpaid lunch. it dont exist anyway.
5/08/2006 02:45:37 PM
amen
You still miss the point,it should be your choice. If you have nothing to fear, because the burbs are no better, why are you so afraid of this becoming a reality? If your neighborhood is such a great value then you have no worries. Admit that the reason you want residency in this city is because of your greed. My house is worth double what I paid for it less than 10 years ago but I still believe that new guys and gals coming on the job should be able to raise their family in a decent home in a decent neighborhood. Then again, I dont live in a neighborhood of extremely overvalued shacks where the only "true value" is the fear of the element. That piece of turd you bought for 130k in 1999 and put that ugly ass addition on....is still an ugly turd. No one should be strong armed into buying it when you retire. Whatever the taxes are in the burbs, they ain't more than it costs for 12 years of private school. Uh-oh here come the teeth-kickers.
To all the ass-kickers and people that want other people to eat shit: You are another great reason not to want to live in what is left of this city. I'm sick of staring at you hillbillies and your fat ass wives in their spandex pants, frosted-feathered hair and Hawk's jerseys.
He is really laughing at the fact that Chicago has only about 8 people working counter terrorism in the city of Chicago, while other major cities have 500 to 1000 and not to mention people working over seas. We are sooo fucked beyond belief! Oh, but don’t you guy’s and girls worry, we are the city that works and remember all our money that was given to us by the Government for counter terrorism went to cameras on all the major department stores on the magnificent mile and those beautiful flower pots that allows the “Shit Heads” to get away when POLICES chase them down!! WE ARE DOOMED!
“Fucking Blue Shirts what can you possibly know?”
To 3:55
Remember when you were told you had to live in the city when you were in the academey (2ys ago?)when you took this job? Remember that? Well nobody forced you to sign on the dotted line. Maybe I accept the fact that I will be in the city till I retire, but it asses like you that run instead of staying in your neighbor! Its not greed my friend! Its my investment! My $$! and I knew I had to live here......so I'll say it again why did'nt you sign up to be a suburban police officer? You would'nt have to go through stuff like this right?! I'll agree that the FOP is'nt the greatest but c'mon, there are MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DEAL WITH. And yeah I'll tell you to eat shit cause when you make comments like your previous post you deserve to! Nobody was feeling sorry for me when I was looking to buy a house and raise my family so if you think I'm gonna worry about 200 recruits......your nuts! You want the FOP to have this all or nothing attitude towards residency well its been tried year after year after year. If its sooo bad why arent coppers quiting the force and moving to the burbs? Do us all a favor and quit...go to the burbs.......and be quiet...please cause your're giving everyone a headache.
Oh yeah, by the way...3:59 you too can eat shit!
Quit patting yourself on the back about your house being double too, moron! Its your mom and dads house remember.
Speaking of Virginia and terrorism, some jagoffs just stormed a Fairfax Co. police station and shot and killed one detective and wounded two others.
One offender dead per early media reports.
I left Chicago so I never would have to live in this environment again. You want to talk about scary for ordinary citizens (me! now)? Scary is thinking that the police won't be available in the neighborhood tonight because they are out shooting it out with terrorists who just stormed their station.
I don't care if Huberman or whoever gives you a disaster plan. If you are a sergeant and you are reading this, you should give your troops a default disaster plan and rally point.
This shit is real, and its fairly well terrifying to hear.
Who the fuck storms a police station in this country anyway?
You get better police service in the suburbs!!!
who the fk do you think owes you a house with 2 yrs on? I lived in an apartment for 5 yrs on this job before I could afford a house--in 1985. You work. you save, you drive a beater. big attitude problem with generation "me". fuckin spoiled brats
Tough for a hard headed, cry-baby like you to believe but I have over a decade on this job, bought my own home for 129k which now appraises for well over double.....and still have common sense enough to know that residency is an unfair requirement. If they let us move out, I wouldn't. You talk about the "me" generation....your the one so worried about "your investment" . Not quite an investment if you bought in '85 or were you a realestate guru who predicted that the prices for homes would triple?Your the typical greedy, bitter motherfucker who posts on this blog. Yes, we all knew we would have to live here but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and get as much as we can. Like I said before if your house and neighborhood are so great than you shouldn't have any problems. all the other fools that overpayed for their homes won't be moving either.
the supply builds, market time increases, interest rates climb and the building continues at a furious pace.
i think soon we will see who is right about this issue. the spring sales numbers will tell the direction of the real estate market.
to 5:33:54 pm
do u mean nowadays or ever.off the top of my head fort apache in the bronx(precinct ?) was attacked back in the 70's
Hey 8:27
That wasn't me responding but it was the truth. I have 8yrs on and do us a favor and move already and quit whining about the residency. GO work in the suburbs and free up your spot. I'll repeat it again..there are other more important things that the FOP can bring up and take care of instead of the above. You knew you had to live in chicago so bite the bullet my friend or leave. Its not like Chicago is Detroit where I could see going to the burbs is a good and only place the live cause the inner/outer city is crap. Lotta places for a suburbanite like you to live here in Chicago. Unfortunately we are'nt making $300K a year. You want the FOP to do something about it and I want the FOP to focus on more important things (already listed in previous posts) so it looks like we are done talkin. have a nice life
10:11 PM
The 41st Pct. ("Fort Apache") moved from the original Simpson St. location to a new station on Longwood Ave.
The "Fort Apache" station house on Simpson St. stood alone surrounded by a wasteland of vacant lots and leveled bldgs. in the then highest crime area of the South Bronx.
The station house was never under seige.
I agree with ten year guy. Residency sucks and I would move out of the B.S. of this city 5 minutes after they said I could.
Or I could sell my condo, buy a freaking Georgian for $400, 000, and send my daughter to Steinmetz so she can hang around with a bunch of Sh##heads. Then while I'm making my 3,200 mortgage payment I can ride a 10 speed into work every day, so a whiny Bozo like you doesn't shiver about maximizing your profit on your frame in canaryville.
Oh and By the way...I have 11 years on this job and I can't wait to retire to get away from cement-headed, backward thinking silly old men who dole out horrid advice to kids coming on, while reminiscing about "how it was, back in the day"
Five years ago when I got divorced my ex bought a home in the S/W suburbs. 4 bedrooms, 2 car garage, cathedral ceilings, family room, full basement, 3 bathrooms, 1/4 acre $195,000. I paid more for my 2 bedroom postage stamp and I got a deal. oh and by the way our property taxes are the same. Only real edge I have is I can water my lawn for free.
My father told me that when he came on the job in 1938 the old timers were telling him "Kid this job aint what it used to be". Old timers will always be telling the new kids that line. Of course when he retired he was making about 1/3 of what I am making now.
Go, goodbye.....leave....do us a favor. The two of you are just the type to be salty enough not to wanna work cause you are dogs. Move to the burbs and make yourself happy already.
Oh and By the way...I have 11 years on this job and I can't wait to retire to get away from cement-headed, backward thinking silly old men who dole out horrid advice to kids coming on, while reminiscing about "how it was, back in the day"
5/09/2006 06:39:31 AM
AMEN BROTHER!
Anonymous said...
I'll repeat it again..there are other more important things that the FOP can bring up and take care of instead of the above.
Like what????? How much more money you think they are gonna give us to do a job that a trained ape can do? Factor in the cost of living and we are one of the best paid big city departments in the country. Insurance? Any arbitrator is gonna keep pushing the cost of that up. They are gonna compare what we get to the private sector and say "Are you fucking crazy?". More vacation time? You get way more than most working Americans. And don't tell me how stressful your job is, save that for the relatives at Thanksgiving or the chicks at the tavern.
Residency is the ultimate quality of life issue. It deals with $, family and freedom of choice and if you think the city is forcing it upon us in your best interest, you should get your head examined.
Sorry but you should pal.
MOVE TO THE BURBS ALREADY! QUIT TRYING TO EXPLAIN YOUR NONSENSE. YOU TOOK THE JOB KNOWING DAM WELL WE HAD TO LIVE HERE......SORRY TO SEEM HARSH, BUT TRUE! I'LL TAKE BETTER PAY ANYDAY. IF THEY CAN CAN GIVE AN ALDERMAN OR A STREETS & SANITIATION GUY $$ THEN THEY CAN WITH US TOO! YOU WANNA LIVE IN THE BURBS THEN LEAVE YOU TOOL BECAUSE YOUR WHINEY ASS WILL FIT RIGHT IN!
I'm sure that "trained ape" will be right in line for ya when you leave too.......assbag
I love this dumb a$$ed argument that property value will somehow suffer if the residency is lifted.
What are 10'000 of us right now, in a city of 3.8 million?
Riiiiight! Will cripple e'm. The value of your home will be slashed, cut in half.
It was a stupid rule 11 years ago. It's a stupid rule now.
Well buddy, if you dont think that ciy workers aka (police Fire water streets/san) anchor a neighborhood down then you need to leave your little shit area and see what it does for a neighborhood. They/we leave and sory but I dont even eant to think about it. And you my friend are a stupid person.
Dont even wanna think about it.
Sor(r)y is spelled with two (R)s and you should'nt start a sentence with "And".....Stupid! :)
Shouldn't :)
A death sentence is what he wanted.By giving him life,he's been denied martyrdom.Let him rot in a 5x7 cell in Colorado for the next 30-40yrs.Hopefully,the feds can giive him some company.Misery loves it.
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