Wednesday, May 10, 2006

What Happened?

We thought they were going to secure those hatches at the top of the wagons? We also thought they weren't going to transport people cuffed in front unless leg irons were used? Were any of these procedures followed?

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57 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

1st...beotch!!!!!!!

5/10/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was cuffed behind but flipped them in front while in the back. To all the wagon guys out there, start using leg irons no matter what.

5/10/2006 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all the wagon guys out there, start using leg irons no matter what.

5/10/2006 04:32:09 PM

Agreed!

Does anyone know if these wagon guys (that have had people slip through the hatch) are taking time for these escapes? Cause it sure seems like the City has miserably dropped the ball on fixing this problem.

Let us hog tie everyone! Problem solved. At least until the first guy asphyxiates...d'oh!

5/10/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems that our guy Al O'Connor didn't win the Americas Most Wanted contest, I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!! It seems that some clown from florida won.

Al, we are all proud of you and all that you have accomplished.

5/10/2006 04:56:00 PM  
Blogger anon ymous said...

Another reason to argue againist closing lockups. The more you move ppl around the more of a chance there is that they will attempt to escape.

5/10/2006 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An order came out after the 1st escape stating that all squadrols will be inspected by the relieving crew at the beginning of each tour with particular attention to be paid to the roof vent. So I'm sure in its normal knee-jerk reaction, the dept will give someone time instead of fixing the problem

5/10/2006 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well good luck getting leg irons, you get a laugh from the sarge and a strange look from the captin. We have 2 wagons rolling and only one set of leg irons, Chicago the city that works.

5/10/2006 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The legs irons will set you back $19.99 at GALLS...Oh that's right, you couldn’t claim to be a victim and talk about how messed up the department is if you took the slightest initiative.

http://www.galls.com/style.html?assort=general_catalog&style=RS036&cat=3024

5/10/2006 05:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALL OF YOU STOP TRYING TO LOOK FOR AN EXCUSE THAT ITS NOT YOUR FAULT GO BACK TO TRAINING

5/10/2006 05:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two wagons? I wish we had two wagons. I work in one of the busiest districts in the city and we routinely run with ONE wagon. And that wagon is usually tied up on prisoner transports half the day. Which means that when the SHTF, SOMEBODY has to go in and grab the extra wagon that sits in the lot unused because they say we have no manpower to man it.

5/10/2006 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, 5:21:48, thats a GREAT idea! And while the wagon guys are at it, maybe they can log onto www.Fordtrucks.com and buy their own wagon too. After all, what obligation does the city have to provide them with the equipment to do their job,right?

Nimrod!

5/10/2006 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must ask, why didn't they use leg irons on a shitbird like this. This mule, breaks into a residence, rapes a woman, kidnaps her in her own car, robs her at an atm, leaves her for dead, steals her car and almost hits a couple coppers! Laziness or complacency?

5/10/2006 05:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the looks of most of the police related blogs, you would think the city and police dept. were new at this thing called, Police work. Were now back in the dark ages and we can't use torture racks. Oh well, I think the city taught you newer PO's how to perform Verbal Judo. What a sick riot of a laugh this has turned out to be. Guess city got their worth with Civilians teaching cadets aka recruits how to be the real police. Let's say it all together. TOGETHER WE CAN! CAPS APPROVED FEDERAL GRANT MONIES.

No order against Hog-Tie yet.

5/10/2006 06:03:00 PM  
Blogger sharky said...

All districts have to report to Equiptment and Supply gradually over the next 3 days to pick up multiple sets of leg irons. Dep Supt Williams office called all the districts on 2nd watch today, polling them to see how many each district had on hand. Each one was asked how many leg iron sets in each wagon, how many wagons assigned to your district, and how many are kept in the lockup. I don't know yet how many are being given out

5/10/2006 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks!!!

I've yet to see wagon guys or anyone else carry leg irons. Hey I've got an idea, we should just ride in the back with the shitheads. That way they won't get out and the city won't have to fix the real problem.

5/10/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Williams is a peckerhead!

5/10/2006 06:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this is off topic but this MUST be reported.

P.O. Walters (019) 1st Watch DUI's
a GOLD STAR FAMILY MEMBER on Friday night, 2 days before St. Jude.

This occurred on the 2900 block of Irving Park Rd his favorite spot to hide.

Danny O'Connor whose brother Jimmy O'Connor was KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY ON 16SEP95 was arrested for DUI by P.O. Walters (019) 1st Watch. Danny O'Connor related that he was a Gold Star Family member, that is brother was killed in the line of duty, and that his other brother is a Lincolnwood Police Officer. But this fell on deaf ears.

THIS IS REPREHENSIBLE!!!!

5/10/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WALTER'S WHAT A DICK HEAD!!!!!! I COULD UNDERSTAND IF IT'S AN ACCIDENT BUT COME ON WE HAVE ALL DROVE HOME AFTER A COUPLE

5/10/2006 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Ex squad said...

5:41, what district? I don't think it would out you...

I used to keep one wagon up on a zone if at all possible for field incidents. Occasionally a sergeant or lieutenant (or Harley) would come up and ask why I wasn't assigning a wagon transport to the wagon and I would explain I'm not using the last available wagon to transport a single male or female to central. It ain't rocket science, and I would never hesitate to send a wagon out of a district (i.e., to help another district) for a mental or a 10-1.

And if there is a backlog, I'd just use the wagon as a backup for others to ensure I could pull em if needed. If completely necessary, I would only use them for roll-by street disturbances (which, again, I could pull them off of if needed).

I know it sometimes went against some guideline or other, but common sense has to rule for this stuff.

The last wagon on a zone should be:
Exempt from paper jobs;
Exempt from needing to be put down in order to declare a backlog; and
Transferable for use between districts no-questions-asked for an emergency with mentals or police fighters.

And yet, after 30 or 40 years of this STARING the exempts in the face, its still not the way it is? Pathetic.

For the sergeants up there, a few practice tips: 1. Do not let your dispatchers use wagons by themselves for paper jobs or anything that will force them climb out (like domestics); 2. If a backlog develops, tell the dispatcher to pick what seems like the most dangerous job any car is on, and send the wagon as backup; 3. and if necessary, get a wagon any way you can, including from another district, for an emergency; and 4. for transports of a single prisoner... (do I need to say it)?

This is from the experience and practice of the busiest districts (007, 008, 010 and 011), and it should apply anywhere.

5/10/2006 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 5:47....there were no leg irons in the wagon for the guys to use, come to think of it, there are NO leg irons in 024 period!!!! Last I heard the guys were still at the area, hope they get some well deserved time off tonight and dont have to report for their tour. Not their fault, another one of our great city's fuck-ups!!!! Go have a beer guys, sure its been alooooong day!

5/10/2006 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its not those hatches. Its the useless wagon guys. Make one of those old fart cops ride in back with the prisoners

5/10/2006 06:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey you all get uniform checks, go buy your own leg irons! Cheap-ass cops!

5/10/2006 07:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In fifteen years I've had more than my share of CSA offenders, murders, etc. in a car without a shield-securely cuffed. And I'm usually speaking with the as we drive keeping my I on them. Never lost one yet. Human error, methinks. Seems to plague wagon crews.

5/10/2006 07:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

er, eye.

5/10/2006 07:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

leg irons???? great idea, but why not examine, analyze, and fix (if necessary) any defect in the wagon roof hatch? I mean, how many times has this happened, and where is leadership on the issue?........
Come to think of it, this issue, and others, remind me of the people who were captaining the Titanic; one example:
1st Deputy/First Mate: "Excuse me, sir, I think we're heading for an iceberg." (i.e., can I do something other than CAPS?)
Supt./Captain: "Well, I'm not sure about that; are the passengers well taken care of?" (i.e., any shootings today, are folks at the CAPS meetings sitting in a circle?)
Dept. Supt. Patrol/Second Mate: "hey, do we have enough life boats?" (i.e., come to think of it, maybe we do have a problem with the hatches on the wagons; anyone know anything about hatches?)
Chief Boson's Mate/Dept. Supt., OCD: "are people sitting together and getting along?" (i.e., can we get the cameras on them and break up the conspiracies?; and, do the cameras actually work, I wonder?)
First Dept./ First Mate: "SIR!!!! we're REALLY getting close to the iceberg!!"
Supt./Captain: "Excellent!! The Mayor and his staff will have plenty of ice for their drinks!!"

5/10/2006 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wagon? what's a wagon?..havent seen one driving around on my watch for a few months...

5/10/2006 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Walters actually hides on Rockwell just south of Irving by the park. If you blow the light you get stuck at the next light at California which is in the 017th district. A word of advice even if you are on the job I would never stop for him just make a right and keep going. Hey he won't chase it's just traffic. Walters what a weirdo look at the haircut on that freak.

5/10/2006 08:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic, I apologize,

Today I was approached to purchase a ticket for a benefit for a "Copper" getting "30" for "Bullshit".

Well it may have been "Bullshit" that he is doing THIS "30" for, but from what I have been told the "Copper" has another "30 pending" coming down the pipe.

The second "30" comes from an incident where he took AKA STOLE several thousand dollars from a benefit held for the daughter of a deceased police officer, who was killed in the line of duty in 1995.

I believe the "Copper" still works in 15.

So if you are selling tickets for this JAGLIPS, Stop.

If you are considering buying a ticket for this ASSHAT, Do Not.

If he tries explaining to you what he did, you decide if you want to listen to his bullshit.

If anyone has further information, please advise.

I wish Seiser could have his way with this POS.

5/10/2006 08:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:41 - Im not 5:41, but I can tell you hes correct. Theres districts, plural, that don't field a wagon at times and they are "busy" too.

5/10/2006 08:45:00 PM  
Anonymous ex 015th district ranger said...

To 8:24 I know the copper who is taking the hit and I can tell you one thing he was a good cop and one you could trust. What I will also tell you is that he lets these broads screw him up and get him in debt thats why that happened. I will tell you that your information is wrong about the little girl so whoever told you that they are wrong. It however is worse than that as far as I am concerned. The botom line is he's going to be shitcanned. It's a damn shame. And just so you know he has been stripped awhile ago so your source is way off. I am not trying to be nasty I just want to educate you on who you listen too. Also I know you work in 011 so I will see you later.

5/10/2006 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you are defending someone who stole money from a coppers benefit party because of problems with bitches and debt? That sounds like something some shithead would do. WTF????

5/10/2006 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:41

025 on days has had only one wagon for years now. I have personally asked each W/C to put up the wagon that sits out in the lot each day unused but the only time they DID put it up was to punish another Officer who had the audacity to make a comment over the air about the situation after HE had to go in and get it so that a mental could be transported after a huge 10-1. I guarantee you it's a tragedy waiting to happen but NOBODY seems to give a hoot. They will though when somebody gets hurt because the ONE wagon they do have was down on court runs and the other one was sitting in the lot unmanned.

5/10/2006 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After this incident, One of the guys came into 024 with 2 cases of leg irons. I think they should have 1 leg shackle welded or bolted to the floor in place with each seat. Shackle each prisoner as they are in. This way the leg iron or shackle can never be lost and will always be there and prisoners will have to take the wagon with them.

5/10/2006 09:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://morsehellhole.blogspot.com/2006/05/citizens-capture-suspect.html

5/10/2006 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No doubt 9:18 will be following the other piece of shit copper to the unemployment line

5/10/2006 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:18, Sir you are iether really drunk, or flunked every english class you ever had. WOW!

5/10/2006 10:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe we could buy our own wagons and leg irons and lease ourselves out to the city per prisoner run and per day and per hour, etc.

Nah, that was hired truck scandal, they would'nt fall for it twice!

5/10/2006 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
9:18, Sir you are iether really drunk, or flunked every english class you ever had. WOW!

5/10/2006 10:49:17 PM

Wow! Who's the dumbfuck now, asshole?? It's spelled e-i-t-h-e-r.

5/10/2006 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY AREA 3 COPPER'S!!!
RELAX, its just an escapee, happens all the time.

5/10/2006 11:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:10, you left two question mark's, that's wrong too.
Sorry you placed yourself there.

5/10/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:10 is a northside cop, what would you expect?

5/10/2006 11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, he has the sound of 025 copper.

5/10/2006 11:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wanna see Monique Bond in leg irons, and hand cuffs and leather!

5/10/2006 11:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What District is both the 3rd Watch Captain and the DC being called down for a MAJOR contract violation hearing?

5/10/2006 11:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad to hear about walters in 017,I know his brother in 016 and he is one hell of copper and 10x that of a person. He is true blue and thats a shame his brother did that being the majority of his family is the police.

5/11/2006 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Put on LARGE SIGN IN BRIGHT ORANGE on the ceiling of the wagon.

EXIT ONLY or

DO NOT ENTER

This will stop the escapees.

Of course the Supt. called it an escape hatch on TV, so I guess the secret is out.

It would have been nice of somone told the throops that!

5/11/2006 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous spelling dork said...

11:18:25
you used "mark's", which is possessive. I think you intended to make it a plural.
your use of the comma in your sentence is also incorrect.

5/11/2006 02:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are in fact having a benefit for the 015th District copper who is being fired for, among other things, stealing money (approximately $40,000)from the Brittney Doffyn benefit fund.

I think the right thing to do is to go ahead and buy a benefit ticket for this guy. That being said, whoever is running the party should then "steal" the proceeds and donate them to Brittney. That would be poetic justice.

5/11/2006 02:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the right thing to do is to go ahead and buy a benefit ticket for this guy. That being said, whoever is running the party should then "steal" the proceeds and donate them to Brittney. That would be poetic justice.

5/11/2006 02:38:04 AM

Outstanding!!! I'd buy two in this case! Especially if the "benfit party" turned into a "blanket party"!

5/11/2006 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What District is both the 3rd Watch Captain and the DC being called down for a MAJOR contract violation hearing?

5/10/2006 11:49:10 PM

Isn't that 3rd Watch in the 023rd District where the Captain tried to force all the personnel to sign a waiver of their contract rights so that he could abuse them any way he wants. Where the hell is the news coverage on this????

Hey, newsies, write about some Captain deciding he is going to renegotiate a union contract directly with the poor souls under his command. What a fucking tool!!

Or would "asshat" be more appropriate here?

Anyway, I hope they bust this guy to Lieutenant and dump his ass way the fuck far south. 006? 005?Anyone?

5/11/2006 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Handcuff the mules to the bar after seating them.........

5/11/2006 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
What District is both the 3rd Watch Captain and the DC being called down for a MAJOR contract violation hearing?

5/10/2006 11:49:10 PM

Stashy says

Isn't that 3rd Watch in the 023rd District where the Captain tried to force all the personnel to sign a waiver of their contract rights so that he could abuse them any way he wants. Where the hell is the news coverage on this????

Hey, newsies, write about some Captain deciding he is going to renegotiate a union contract directly with the poor souls under his command. What a fucking tool!!

Or would "asshat" be more appropriate here?

Anyway, I hope they bust this guy to Lieutenant and dump his ass way the fuck far south. 006? 005?Anyone?

5/11/2006 07:33:45 AM

This guy now out ranks his father who retired as a Lieutenant. The father always wore latex gloves because he was scared of catching something. He use to wash his hands 2 to 3 time a hour. Mental must run in the family.

5/11/2006 11:58:00 AM  
Blogger Sabian said...

Bring back the OLD wagons with the benches and hit every pothole along the way. Yessssssssss!!!!!!!
It's hard to escape when you can barely keep your ass on the seat and off the next guys lap. Unless they like it like that?......Plus, there was the little window. "Hello neighbor!"

And, if a gold star family member was treated that way. Shame on that po. What ever happened to common sense?...

5/11/2006 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger Westcide Dog said...

Wagon Trivia

How many heads could you fit into an old wagon?

How many in a new wagon?

5/11/2006 04:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Easy Fix for the Wagon Issue.
Install Doors in the rear like to old days.
If the wagon tips, which I have never seen, they can crawl out the rear. Then weld the dam vents ASAP. They are backdoor type mopes anyway!

5/11/2006 07:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

u wanna see a real safety hazard?how about those planters in the center lanes.i saw a fire company the last day travel w/b in the e/b lane of harrison in 012 for over a block.cars had green light going north and were flying around the corner on right turns in their path

5/12/2006 03:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was a cop seriously hurt when the planters were put in. Da Mayor fought him all the way. Mayor is protective of his cement.

Has anyone else noticed the up-surge of all the cars that seem to fail in yielding right of way to our emergency vehicles with lights and sirens? Time to start nailing these idots more often, that's one ticket I have no problem with writing. Idiots are out of control.

5/12/2006 09:59:00 AM  

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