Monday, August 28, 2006

Two Sides of the Coin

The Tribune had a big article in the Sunday paper about the unfortunate young woman who was arrested at Midway Airport, transported to the Deuce, processed and released, then ended up paralyzed following an alleged sex assault and 7 story freefall.

Allegations have been made that she traveled to Chicago as part of a sex industry job. Allegations have also been made about procedures not being followed by 002 District lockup personnel. We're sure that OPS and IAD are doing a thorough investigation and if any malfeasance is discovered, the guilty will be punished (unless they are politically connected and then all bets are off) or until a final settlement is reached and an adequate amount of blame can be placed.

Have any of our non-police readers ever been in a Area lockup? The places are freaking madhouses. You couldn't pay us nearly enough to volunteer to work in these shitholes (though in the interest of full disclosure, we've worked there non voluntarily on occasion.) you process through 100 plus bodies a day, sometimes 200. The prisoners talk all sorts of crap, plead all sorts of ailments, try every trick in the book to avoid making it to court and maybe get off on technicalities, and then you have the weekend drunks, the dope sick hypes and the truly psychotic - it's no wonder this woman may have gotten lost in the shuffle. It's also no wonder that the Area lockup may have shortcutted certain procedures designed to prevent this sort of thing.

We're just rambling here. We will be moderating this particular thread comments VERY closely, due to the ongoing litigation against the Department and the fact that scumbag lawyers could use anything posted in the comments as another club to beat the taxpayers with. We aren't excusing anything that was or wasn't done in the lockup or by the injured woman - we're just commenting on the avoidance of any responsibility on all sides. The woman for her choices, the parents for their lack of actions, the lockup for whatever they did do (or didn't) and the City for it's poor hiring and training.

54 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Absolutely NOTHING was done wrong by the officers or bosses on this one. The bitch was just another screaming lunatic whore that was locked up ( Have any of you out there locked up just ONE whore that ever came along peacefully?? NOOOO.. they all cry and go nuts on you every time!!! )

As far as the father calling several times to check on her.. FU$K HIM!! Where was he 10 years ago when he should have kept HER ASS (as well as HIS ASS) in line ?

The BOTTOM LINE? NO Willful or Wanton Conduct on the side of the police on this one. Therefore it should not go anywhere. However we know that the Corporation Counsel's Office is SO in incompetent they will probably ask the City Counsel to just write a big check.. and as far as the City Counsel goes?? Well we know they must be smoking crack from the way they have been coming up with nonsense!!

8/28/2006 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about putting the blame where it belongs - on the 002 District L/U keepers, the desk sgt., and the W/C. I've worked the 002 District L/U and supervised it, and its not that busy, at least not on the women's side that this wouldn't have been noticed. The 008 District crew that brought this woman in, (& why wasn't she taken to the hospital from 008 rather than charged in the first place?????) should have brought this woman's condition to the attention of the 002 District W/C but then, of course, they didn't want to sit with her at the hospital (how foolish of me), then the L/U keepers should have brought her behavior to the attention of the Desk Sgt., or the Sgt. should have discovered it on his/her own during the L/U inspections. Same for the W/C., W/C should have refused to accept her or keep her in the L/U and had her transferred to a hospital. She should never have been released, this whole incident was inexcusable and I hope gets prosecuted civilly and criminally as the crime it was.

BTW - this is why Cynthia White and a few others actually walk through the cells and talk to the prisoners. Love her or hate her, this would never have happened on her watch, and is entirely due to the complete disregard of procedures already in place.

8/28/2006 01:12:00 AM  
Blogger leomemorial said...

I've never been inside to see this lockup/holding tank area in Chicago.

The article stated that the parents called police, and advised them that this woman was bipolar, had mental problems and needed to get to a hospital. Is this true? Why was she taken from the Midway area all the way to ... Wentworth?
That made no sense to me.

How do you tell if someone has a mental problem or on drugs, etc?

I've seen plenty of people on these trains having conversations with themselves, angry and yelling out the windows and other strange behavior. How is one supposed to figure out who needs mental treatment, or someone who has a drug problem? It seems that there are many homeless people with mental problems (or combo drug use) and they aren't taking their medicine as they should.

Also, if this person has a history of mental problems, why was she allowed to travel such a long distance by herself? If I had a family member like this, there would be no way in hell they would travel without someone along.

When I read this story, there were many questions unanswered instead of what was presented.

8/28/2006 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, I couldn't agree with you more. It seems to me that there is more than enough blame to go around. The victim for her life style choices, the lockup keepers for what they did or didn't do, and the parents for not getting their backsides on a plane and coming to Chicago as soon as they found out their daughter was in trouble.

8/28/2006 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It should not have happened.....PEROID
that could have easily been one of our kids..argue with the cta..get arrested for dc and transported across town???
dont know most of the details but on its face..we must have had other options.

8/28/2006 01:53:00 AM  
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8/28/2006 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just what we need, a distraction from the SOS Saga!

8/28/2006 07:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, I couldn't agree with you more. It seems to me that there is more than enough blame to go around. The victim for her life style choices, the lockup keepers for what they did or didn't do, and the parents for not getting their backsides on a plane and coming to Chicago as soon as they found out their daughter was in trouble.

8/28/2006 01:45:02 AM

Agreed! But in the end, it'll be us who pay for the whole thing. I understand that the City already made a settlement offer that was turned down by the parents.

All I can say is that all of you calling this woman names should seek some sort of anger management counseling. I don't care if she was a porn star who speacialized in beastiality,(she wasn't as far as I know ) NO ONE deserves what happened to her. Talk about displaced anger issues!

8/28/2006 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is entirely due to the complete disregard of procedures already in place.

8/28/2006 01:12:50 AM

You were there? Or are you just an apologist for Cynthia White. She does what she does just to look to jam some one up, not because she is conciencious or sooo compassionate.

Look, some how, she fell through the cracks. Probably happens somewhere everyday in the city. She just hit the media jackpot. There is no right or wrong here, and unless you were there you cannot bash.

Other WCs do walk throughs and are responsible.

8/28/2006 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since when is being "bi-polar" a life-style choice??? There's never been any truth demonstrated to the vicious rumor started by some officers that this woman was a stripper or a hooker or a drug adict!!!!!!!! And if there is such evidence, where is it????????

8/28/2006 07:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I pose a question. Where will all the civil libertarians be when the police keep grown people in custody for a longer period of time than required "for their own safety". Do you think there is potential for abuse of that standard? Civil libertarians will be jumping up and down yelling "police state". What would the standard be to keep grown men and women in custody for extended periods of time without violating their rights?

8/28/2006 08:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this lady was bipolar should anyone blame her for her choices?
The article stated that someone from 008th district initiated a call to the parents regarding the welfare of this woman, left a message on parent answering machine, probably a name also,if this is true, evidently there was something about her behavior that caught some coppers eyes. I mean how many cops would take the time to call the parent(s) of what some of you keep referring to as an loud, abusive whore?????? Just think this parent probably has a tape of this conversation. Did these same copper(s) express the same concerns to their immediate supervisers, did they inform the transporting wagon crew, did they inform the L/K's at 002nd district or a 002nd dst superviser? Remember civil suits have a far less burden of proof to establshed

8/28/2006 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

008 has no lock up for woman... the go to the area

8/28/2006 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leo: 008th Dist. does not have a female lockup, and all the females are transported to Area 1 (51st/Wentworth/2nd Dist) after the initial paperwork is done and approved. ALL females go there... no mistake on that part. As for the father calling, I for one have had people call claiming the person I arrested had mental problems, or they now decided not to have them locked up and can we let them go. How are we able to know who exactly we are talking to? Could be her pimp calling trying to get her off, claiming to be her father. Or boyfriend, brother, etc. I would say that after receiving that information the officers should have taken a closer look to see if she really was a nut though. But as stated in posts when this first occurred, we are not trained to diagnose anyone and it can be difficult to distinguish between mental illness and a crackwhore. I find it amusing that she had this mental illness and the family is blaming CPD, not themselves for getting her the help she needed when they knew about it for god knows how long. It was sad and I feel for the family, but blaming the police for the death is ridiculous. Or as Daley would say, "Silly, Silly Silly!!"

8/28/2006 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

002 District lockup is currently home to some of the laziest, rudest, dumbest officers the city has to offer. They have NO SUPERVISION whatsoever. I had a problem with one of them a few months ago on days, and the little desk sgt. was so scared to handle it I had to get the watch commander to handle it. I repeat, the lockup has NO SUPERVISION. They are not held accountable-this might change there tune...I hope it was the sae crew on.

8/28/2006 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe you people are the Police! Someone screams and now they're in need of immediate mental hospitalization? Someone yells and they don't get their I-Bond? You may as well make the local emergency room your first stop before the lock-up with every prisoner. Someone brought her here to strip and she gets abandoned. She is set loose after getting pinched to enjoy her Constitutional freedoms and now it's the taxpayers fault that the Area is in a bad neighborhood!

8/28/2006 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why didn't the a/o's just do an involuntary admission? It seems that she was obviously in need of some type of mental health intervention. Looks like they hit the city lottery on this one.

8/28/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...The 008 District crew that brought this woman in, (& why wasn't she taken to the hospital from 008 rather than charged in the first place?????)...."

A typical know-it-all-copper spouting misinformation once again.

There was no "8th District crew" involved in the actual arrest. She was arrested by an officer from the Mass Transit Unit who sits in that little police room next to the Dunkin Donuts in the Midway Orange line station. Last time I checked, there's no wagon men in this city with advanced psychology degrees that can make a psychological evaluation based on a 5 minute transport. Perhaps YOU know a few?

Why don't you try getting your FACTS straight before you go placing blame where it does NOT belong!

8/28/2006 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 8/28/2006 01:12:50 AM
the Cynthia White lover,
Yes this would have hapened on Capt. White's watch. Don't believe the hype about her, she doesn't know as much as she thinks. This was a tragic accident, nothing more. The things that Cynthia White does are to protect herself, and make her feel self-important. If you cannot speak from laryngitis, go on the medical we will function without you. By the way does laryngitis last for three months?

8/28/2006 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wasn't there, but how do you expect someone who is just meeting this woman to determine that she needs medical help when her own parents took several years to make that determination. If this woman gave no signs that she was unable to care for herself or was a danger to others,then who are we to decide who is "crazy?"

If the parents are looking to place blame, they should look in the mirror for not flying to Chicago until after there daughter was already in critical condition. But ultimately the blame lies with the animal that took advantage of her and threw her out of the window. But wait, was he even mentioned in the article? Oh thats right, he doesn't have any money. Does the Trib get a cut for pleading the parents case on the front page?

8/28/2006 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the news:

Looks like questions were already asked here. Why else reporting of article in its style of format.

A Officer reached out to the parents. Call went to voice mail, father discovered message after shift change??

Was she not transported to the nearest female lockup? What happened with prior article info. of CTA complainant branching arresting officers and unit? The three way.

Phone calls to the 2nd dist desk? Officer, Dsk. Sgt or acting, Wtch CO. and their connection??

Lockup keepers PO or civilian conduct and or procedures??

This will not be about, what the parents thought or felt about their adult daughter being out of town without their knowledge. Nor whether or not, they should have purchased a ticket to come here. We now know dad spoke with her when she was stranded the day before at the car rental counter, prior to getting her a hotel room and a ticket we also know he spoke with her just prior to her leaving the hotel and suppose to be headed to next door Midway.

This will fall on procedures. Followed or not and on what the officers should have or could have done during any of the above steps. Here lies the importance, not mentioning at what step.

I know of an important step that could have been taken but like SCC said. This is in litigation and I will not address how this could have helped and put brakes on. I think any working officer might be able to figure it out. We will pay, there's no doubt there. The victim/young lady's conduct or lack of will be based on her disability and the unknown along with the factor of the thug in the project room? She is being defended as a double victim. They will probably settle out of court. Officers think.

Now how much will we also pay to defend the thug and the cost to keep him in prison is yet another debt, we will also cough up. Will his defense be not guilty and a lawsuit against the city as well?
Saga to be continued.

8/28/2006 01:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It won't be enough to hide behind procedural issues on this one. Hopefully, discovery will show that CPD personnel also observed due diligence under the circumstances.

8/28/2006 02:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The blame lays totally with the A/1 lock up. When the 9thdist lock up closed and we had to bring prisoners over there it was just wonderfull to see the Detention Aids and Officers sitting around eating, playing cards or watching TV and telling you to hang on while the hallway filled with prisoners.I 've worked my fair share of time in lock-up and I know the games that they play but this is just proves that they are dogs back there who wouldn't lift a finger to help a copper or anyone else.

8/28/2006 03:57:00 PM  
Blogger Doubter said...

How about a little perspective here. Its a very sad case, but the cause of this woman's tragic injury was not the police, it was the scumbag animals who threw her out a window. Lets bear that in mind.

That and her bipolar disorder which, no douubt, was a major factor leading her into that circumstance. A very sad condition, but the cops had nothing to do with that, either. There's no reason to assume that the lockup keepers should have diagnosed her. A lot of screaming nuts can be found in lockups. That's how a lot of them get there in the first place.

The only role the cops played was to give the woman what she wanted most, her liberty. I'm not saying ther's no misconduct here, but how about a little fair play?

It's interesting that the parents are putting all the blame on the police--we hear nothing of them suing the scumbags that actually caused their daughter's injury.

8/28/2006 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having been a supervisor for nearly 20 years, let me assure you that no one including CW needs to look to jam coppers up. Its like shooting ducks in a barrel. On any given watch, just go to roll call and note the number of coppers arriving late, out of uniform, missing their stars, guns, etc., the number who violate medical roll procedures, the ones who try and cover up the fact that they're have stiff from being at Dugan the night before. Then there are the ones who blow off domestics, don't show or refuse to write the paper, the one's who are so willing to use excessive force for no reason other than they feel like it, then the one's who think nothing of planting dope on somebody. Its no wonder the Judges don't beieve us and the public doesn't respect us. Most of us have no dignity much less pride - too many are trying to work the angles trying to get the most pay for the very least amount of work, piling on OT when we're not even in court, lying on case reports because its easier than being truthful, . . .

I could go on and on but what for? I'm only preaching to the choir or being ignored by the very worst offenders.

8/28/2006 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all to Leo:
After reading your many many posts on this site, I always had the impression that you were the PoPo. After reading your post here I find that you are not.
Because if you were you would know about Area Lockups and how large they are. You would also know that female arrestees are housed in Area Lockups. You would also know that the 008th Dist and Midway airport (in the 008th Dist) are a long way from the area headquarters.
and now onto the issue at hand, that poor, poor girl from Calif. -

The blame rests solely with the parents and the offender.
The parents because they knew that she had a problem and knew that she stopped taking her meds.
The offender - nothing needs to be said.
The parents should be suing him for all his millions of dollars!

8/28/2006 07:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The way she was denied medical and mental help is just CRIMINAL !! I hope the parents bankrupt the City of Chicago. If that was my daughter the city would lucky to get off the hook for 100 million. The coppers, lock-up, and bosses failed to adhere to G.O's....that's the bottom line !!

8/28/2006 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you really want to know who to blame, it is the mass transit guys or the female officer from 008 who spoke to the father and was told of the woman's condition. She in turn probably/should have told the officers who in turn should have either released her and taken her to a hospital or tell a supervisor who would have told them to take her to the hospital and not charge her.

If those above procedures would have been done, she would have never been taken to the 002nd district where she was later released and made her way to the projects where she later was found face first on the ground.

If you want to know if she jumped, pushed or thrown that will be the subject of a later post. Because from first hand knowledge I know the actual story.

8/28/2006 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lockup let her out into the 2nd District. That area is dangerous because she is white and it is a dangerous black neighborhood...HOWEVER-if the police made special arrangements for a white woman (as needed they may have been for her safety) they would have been called racist-how dare you make special arranfements for whitey.

8/28/2006 09:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why was she taken from the Midway area all the way to ... Wentworth?
That made no sense to me.

If you were the police, you would know that 008 is in Area 1. Wentworth has the FEMALE LOCK UP for 7,8,9,2, and 21

8/28/2006 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is because these certain bosses look to jam coppers up. They are not looking to follow "procedure" etc., they are looking to stick it in our ying-yangs.

ditto

has nothing to do with protecting some arrent whie girl

8/28/2006 10:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where will all the civil libertarians be when the police keep grown people in custody for a longer period of time than required "for their own safety".

I know alot of people that need to be locked up just for "their" saftey and OURS!

8/28/2006 10:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who actually threw her out the window?

8/28/2006 10:33:00 PM  
Anonymous leomemorial said...

Thanks for the explanations.

In Florida, they have the "Baker Act" so if a cop suspects one of having mental issues, they take them to a psych facility.

Do you have anything like that here?

Also, does every station have a Lockup facility?

Don't you guys get people in lockup constantly yelling, asking for help, etc.?
I wouldn't expect them to sit quietly as if they were waiting for a Doctor's appointment or something.

I don't see how you're expected to diagnose someone or why this city is 100% liable when the parents allowed her to travel in that state. Good luck (and no, I'm not a cop)

8/28/2006 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In as much as what happened is an eggregious tradegy


The fact of the matter, is she had a ONE-WAY ticket from California to Chicago. As said in previos posts, if she was well enough to travel alone then she was well.

No matter how many times her parents called indicating she'd had a mental problem there are Civil Rights and Peoples with Mental Disabilities Laws in America which is why she was let to bond.

Now, the family being extremely put upon because the CPD DID NOT violate her civil rights, and freed her on an I-Bond, the complaint is that she should have been not released in that neighborhood.

Now, imagine the flip-side. Yes, CPD took very seriously the phone calls made, then there would be a bazillion $$ law suit, that

1) CPD did not/could not that indeed it were her parents calling and should not have listened or considered telephone conversations

2) CIVIL LAW and People with Mental Disability Act Law violations would be worth far more money and they'd be raking it in.

Especially being that when it went to court (on this flip-side scenario) it would be the very same excuses she was well enough to travel, she was an adult and CIVIL LAW violations are severely punishable.

I would love to see the litigation on this, because if it did ever go to court, she'd be awarded not on the basis of anything that was done to her during her "incarceration" stint it would be the sympathy of what is her current physical state. Which, the CPD had no involvement in.

She's an adult person, who made a few bad decisions that day. It was not the CPD's responsiblity to call her a cab, or give her directions. Being an adult,who was let to travel of her own accord, she should very well known how to use a phone, or merely ask for directions.

8/29/2006 03:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally, I think that the Airline is 100% responsible for letting the obviously bi-polar woman fly to chicago on a one-way ticket. Hold on, Her hotel should be 100% liable for letting a obviously bi-polar woman stay in their hotel. Wait a minute, maybe the CTA is 100% liable for letting an obviously bi-polar woman stand on their platform. Did she have any McDonalds while she was here? Maybe she used the public toilet at Macy's?

8/29/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger imadic said...

Why can't arrangements be made for a special section, perhaps at County Hospital, for Arrestee's who need medical attention. Staff it with PO's who are RN's there are more then several on this job. So you don't have coppers taking short cuts due to reluctance to sit it out. Pay the PO's with RN creditals more, and save the money from the lawsuits. This way P.O.s are not tied up, except the ones who would like to provide the care. Emergent care is always needed but once stablized you could move them and bond them out from there.

8/29/2006 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What ever happended to Serve & Protect ?
I guess its all guns and blue lights..
If you dont tell me what to do..I do nothing..
I do know that if it doesn't go like it did on tv like I used to see it a few years ago..then I should bitch..
Let me use the law to a letter when it benefits me..but if its me the arrow points at..then I deserve a wide course of dispensation...
Because I am the real police..
Its the G.O.'s, the law,an ordinance...please tell me what to do
HOW BOUT COMMON FUCKIN SENSE!!!
D/C cuz the cta complained???

Then whom do we serve, whom do we protect ???

8/29/2006 04:18:00 PM  
Blogger ChicagosFinestwife said...

If she was so "sick" the parents should have been on the next plane out here-Period.

How long was this girl in Chicago anyway? Do we know that part of the story? All that talk about how sick in the head she was you would think there was a missing person report filed on her somewhere...I mean...if she was that unfit to even walk out a door by herself.

The parents need someone to blame. Fortunately for them this girl came to Chicago where the police are never backed up and we like to pay out settlements to ridiculous claims and charges.

8/29/2006 05:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"WE SERVE AND PROTECT"..........





"WHEN WE FUCKING FEEL LIKE IT!!!"

GO FUCK YOUR SELF ASSHOLE. YOU SILLY, SILLY SILLY LITTLE FUCK WAD.

8/29/2006 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous The View said...

The PARENTS dropped the ball on this tragic young woman. If she had such an allegedly serious mental disorder, why was she allowed to leave California on a plane for Chicago without a parent or legal guardian? Why did she not have some sort of ident. bracelet that indicated a serious mental condition? Why didn't the parents have her living in one of those assisted living places, where people check on you daily, and ensure that the person residing there is taking required meds? It's indeed sad, what occurred to this young woman, but the blame can't fall on the CPD.
And with regard to I-bonding her into a "dangerous" neighborhood, just where was the Area 1 lockup supposed to release her to? Are we now required to obtain a cab and release prisoners to areas of their own race or ethnicity? I believe that ultimately, the parents dropped the ball on this one. I sympathize with the parents, because I have no idea what it's like to be responsible for an adult child that is mentally unstable, but I'm willing to bet that when this young woman's history is researched, this incident will go down as one of many in which she "disappeared" for days on end from her family.

8/30/2006 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i don't believe a word of this story....if the girl was soooo bipular than how would her parent know where she was... of course she didn't tell them...we a not psychiatrist...we can only go by what the prisoner says..i they don't usually admit to being bi-polar....the parentshould have kept up with her...let's put the blame where it should be.

8/30/2006 03:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many of you appear angry with the parents, through your all out defense of this very dept. A department filled with individuals and a dept. that has been mocked on this very site, justified or not. So, why are many of the theories on this very subject so lopsided?

It also appears some of you may only see the end result. As to what happened after the bonding and placing your defense focus squarely in that realm, where your missing the full picture. It appears the issue at hand is a bit askew.

Could something in the very beginning have been done in furtherance to halt the direction this tragedy took? Try looking at this as a puzzle minus emotions and try to sort through some of the key points already brought up in the news and here on this site through SCC and others. Break it all down and take it apart. You may very well come up with a small clue as to the possible direction this is taking on the liability front and future training.

Thus far, we only have the news noted references to the crime which took place and no opportunity to hear from the victim or the end perpetrator. Regardless of your views of her or her illness and what her parents were responsible too in your eyes. She is still viewed as a victim of a crime. Will the lawyers and city hang their hats on a possible indifference to well being and any lack of procedures. I'm not referencing about the holding her in the cell and against her will only subjects as an adult after bonding either.

This job is suppose to involve a lot of independent thinking and often snap judgement decisions with little direction. Nothing stops one from slight deviation from procedures or the above independent thinking. That is, if one actually foresees the issue at hand as either important, unusual or life threatening aka potential endangerment to oneself and the old cover your backside theory.

If no one took her conduct or her confusion serious enough, due to her not actually displaying it at any time before any of the officers involved. Then its simple we did the best we could and there is no liability. I think the flip side is, was there anyone who was a least bit concerned? Concerned enough to reach out and if so what prompted this concern or was the reach out a mere courtesy? The news gave a partial review of this. Will this be a part of the direction the lawyers are leaning on. As it already it appears this may very well fall to the old foresight and hindsight issue. Yes, I also feel bad for the officers involved. Yes even trying to be of assist can screw you. If it can be demonstrated you may have missed a step which might have been utilized. Has someone already hung themselves with statements and cemented the city's liability? Blame is going to settle on someones shoulder don't you think?

We already know the city pays out rather than going to court. Court would be too big of a risk and would probably show that lack of real management is actually at fault. Which in turn would cause a true overall of needed change to take effect from the top down. Does anyone really think this would occur knowing the way this city already operates and focuses all of its blame downhill? No I really didn't think so.

8/30/2006 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

20 years...and you can't get any one motivated to do anything right?

8/30/2006 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

REPOSTED WITH ONE MINOR ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE THIS GUY MADE GOOD POINTS:

This is typical insanity, blame the police when something bad happens. To these posters that say we had some kind of duty to this offender, we don't have a duty to an individual we have a duty to society. Using thier logic every crime victim has cause for a lawsuit. The facts are:

1, A female of questionable mental status travels to Chicago for alleged bad behavior---trying to hedge my comments in such a way as to get them on blog.

2, Family allowed said offender to travel and did not rush to her aid when she called from rent-a car phone.

3, Offender commits offense. Then some mean Chicago Coppers has the temerity to arrest her on signed complaints.

4,Offender gets to visit the gardenspot that is the lockup in the second district.

5, Incompentent POs in the lockup are unable to differentiate her legit caterwauling from the typical frivolity that ensues in the lockup.
(tongue firmly planted in cheek"

6, Incompentent DS gives said offender an "I-bond" (see 5)

7, Said offender takes a walk through the jets and is "raped" and thrown frem upper story window.

8, How can you allege CPD's culpablity in the actions of an adult, to use that logic if a offender "I-bonds" out and is hit by a car crossing the street it's our fault.


9, while I have some empathy I have more common sense. The person(s) responsible for this incident are
Offender, [the person] who raped and tossed her, Parents.

10, She left police custody the same condition she arrived in.

8/30/2006 10:51:28 AM

8/30/2006 04:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand the edit----probably the reason my first post didn't make cut. gotta remember not to name call

8/30/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our obligation to take her to a hospital for treatment as a "mental" is if she was a danger to herself or a danger to others. An Officer signing her in has to articlulate what she was doing that would constitute her being a danger to herself. Being bipolar, yelling and screaming are not actions that meet that criteria. If they are, then we better start taking just about every one of our arrest (and half the people on the streets) to Jackson Park.

8/30/2006 06:33:00 PM  
Anonymous No posting said...

2. Are they looking for Info Rep? If so why? Was this not, just a courtesy call fingers crossed.

I think 8 falls in line with 2 in the area of adult factor. We don't really know why she was in Chicago other than allegations. I know we suspect the allegations to be true, which the lawyers will distance the family from. Parents were wishful thinkers and not in touch with reality as to her well being and urgent ongoing medical needs. They had to know of her long term medical needs and prognosis, finger pointing. Simple enough City has money, offender not.

Officers phone call on 2 bothers me a bit though. Is it being used as a possible defense angle. The reporting context in the article gave me a twinge. Did it strike you at all? Yes or no will suffice.

8/30/2006 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

633

I concur

8/30/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what are we babysitter's now too? maybe the parent's should take responsibility for their daughter!! i didnt know THAT was in our job description too!!! WTF

8/30/2006 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats next,holding the shlong of a DUI off.so he don't piss on the floor and slip and blame the police cuz he slipped on his piss and now he has a back injury from slipping on his piss?the city would actually write this jag a check for slipping on his piss

8/30/2006 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BETTER YET WHAT IF HE PISSED ON SOMEONE ELSE IN THE PROCESS?? LIKE ANOTHER ARRESTEE!! GOD FORBID HE HAS TO GO #2!! THEN WHAT!!!

8/30/2006 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats next-taking a Domestic Violence offender home after he gets out of court to make sure he doesn't hit his women again?

8/30/2006 10:54:00 PM  
Blogger Traffic Guy said...

Did the parents demand that their daughter be placed into protective custody for her own safety due to her illness? Did this woman have the option to wait at the police station for her dad to show up or was she kicked out of the station by the police? I read the Tribune article and the above questions were not answered.

9/02/2006 12:09:00 AM  

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