Problem #4 - Lack of Cohesiveness
Fourth in a series of writings about some problems we see facing the Department.
This is actually kind of a general criticism of the Department at large. No one sticks together anymore. Districts dislike unit personnel; Units look down on Patrol; the dicks look down on everyone; everyone hates downtown; oldtimers dislike the youngsters; new kids treat the old guys like dinosaurs. Yes, these are blatant generalizations, but there is a grain of truth to each one - just look at some of the vitriol in the comments sections.
The watches used to be so much tighter, especially when they rotated. Nowadays, not only can't you get anyone to agree on a lunch location, you can't get them to agree on what policies might be worth pursuing by the union. Ten hour work schedules, sixth day working, political endorsements, the list is endless. The only party that benefits from this dissention is the city, and they do their damnedest to keep it that way. Given the concentration of police within certain geographical boundaries, one would think that we could rise above our petty differences and maybe unite with other city workers (CFD comes to mind) and try to actively recruit an opponent to the mayor's tame aldercreatures.
Can anyone unite the Department under a single banner again? Can any issue? Or are we too far gone for that?
This is actually kind of a general criticism of the Department at large. No one sticks together anymore. Districts dislike unit personnel; Units look down on Patrol; the dicks look down on everyone; everyone hates downtown; oldtimers dislike the youngsters; new kids treat the old guys like dinosaurs. Yes, these are blatant generalizations, but there is a grain of truth to each one - just look at some of the vitriol in the comments sections.
The watches used to be so much tighter, especially when they rotated. Nowadays, not only can't you get anyone to agree on a lunch location, you can't get them to agree on what policies might be worth pursuing by the union. Ten hour work schedules, sixth day working, political endorsements, the list is endless. The only party that benefits from this dissention is the city, and they do their damnedest to keep it that way. Given the concentration of police within certain geographical boundaries, one would think that we could rise above our petty differences and maybe unite with other city workers (CFD comes to mind) and try to actively recruit an opponent to the mayor's tame aldercreatures.
Can anyone unite the Department under a single banner again? Can any issue? Or are we too far gone for that?
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
70 Comments:
The Marines say they fight wars for no one but themselves. No back-stabbing like civilian life and, according to this post, the police department.
You fellas need a few good men.
Cohesive? You have definitely been next to the glue factory too long.
Bond with CFD? Are you smoking bad weed now? These people can't bond with the guy in the next row at roll call.
Careful SCC, you guys keep talking all this crazy stuff and you're bound to get piss tested!!
Great ideas, but some of the officers I work with can't remember the last time they liked themselves, much less the reason they took this job.
If we could all stick together as a Department, and then bond with CFD (who has enough problems of their own) we would all be better off for it. But what would the disgruntleds have to bitch about then?
What I don't get is..Why not try what some smaller departments do.
I believe that one west side suburb employs a rotation between the 2nd and 3rd watches, every few months. You are always going to have vampires who want to work midnights(including me) the rest could be supplemented with those of lower seniority, which is basically how the 1st watch is staffed anyway.
I think that it would be a step in the right direstion.
Before I became a Police Officer over 15 years ago, I worked in a day by day world of dirt, hard labor, and long hours. The fact that we are a much younger department now is due to the FACT that these kids are fresh out of College and this is literally the "FirstReal Job" they ever had. They have never been in an envirnment, work or otherwise that depended on each other like this one does. The closest thing to comeradery (sp?)that they had are the joys of College partying.
There is NO respect for the job and there is an immediate sense of entitlement. I WANT A CAR, OR I WANT TO HAVE THIS DAY OFF GROUP, OR I WAnT I WANT I WANT. It's staggering to me that this happens and there are no old timers to tell them to shut the fuck up. Captains have an open door policy now instead of "go talk to your sgt and leave me alone".
Therefore, with all this "I" talk, there is no trust, no respect for co-workers, and no experience leading around no-experience.
Respect and trst in each other used to be our greatest asset. no one cared who was fucking and who was ducking early, and who got a good gig. Now, if someone gets something, theres always someone bitching about it. The worst part is that no one does it to the other's face, it's all back door shit.
It used to be that the department rots from the top and very little hit the bottom, now its rotting from the bottom unless we all change our attitudes. By "all" I mean mentoring those who are not on board wit what really needs to be.
THE BLUE LINE IS A LOT THINNER THAN IT USED TO BE. WE HAVE TO BUILD IT UP AGAIN.
Problem #5 - Suicides and Problems with Vices as an escape.
well, many CPD did come together for the Hampton petition.
That surprised me.
There is no cohesiveness now due to the fact that the bosses have all had their balls taken from them. It is now an us-against them mentality, and that is us(p.o.'s) and them (bosses).
Even though there's some truth to the lack of cohesiveness, I'd like to express the fact that, as a detective, I congratulate and salute officers for their hard work and effort.
I always throw in a salute (takes 5 minutes to type up) even if the victim turns out to be worthless at the end of the investigation.
Let's not forget where we came from. I remember being excited when I'd see a salute w/ my name on it in the bulletin (I saved them, too).
It may seem piddley to some, but it's nice to be appreciated even for 5 minutes.
What do ya say, D2A's? When a P.O. spends their tour looking for your jag offender and clearing your case- write up that salute!
Stay safe, Peace.
Straight shifts killed the cohesiveness among the department. I’m not saying to bring back rotating shifts, but it had something to do with it.
It’s real sad to see people “go back to tact.” I’ve known some really nice officers when we were pushing a beat car together and it amazes me what happens when they put the blue jeans on—arrogance, hard ass attitude, and elitist attitude toward other beat officers.
Just pathetic.
Here is a prime example from self admitted tough tact guy who likes to cuddle with sh*theads, but is disgusted when a FELLOW COWORKER “bothers” him for asking to “see what he has:"
don’t give me the "your not the working police because i am on tact. and get between 15-20 arrests a period…..what you got man"? i always say treason or bigamy. get the fu%# out of my face let me do my paperwork so i dont have to sit in the station any longer than i have to and if you really wanna know so bad what i got go to your car and E>D> me on the pdt…
Sorry to take 5 minutes away from you so your shift is 4 hours and 5 minutes instead of 4 hours. We just wanted to learn from the best. I know I’m gonna make it some day if I really, really try and eat my vegetables. I must think positive.
No, I’m not jealous because I never got asked to go back to tact/gangs because I’ve been asked on numerous occasions to go. The standard retort will accuse me of being: a dog, medical/abuser, scared, not enough attention at home, beat up in high school, whatever, etc. Yawn. Those monkeys from the career builder TV commercials can make SUB arrests if you taught them how to use CLEAR.
Next time someone asks, “What you got?” You can answer, “I got a narcissistic big head,” instead of your treason or bigamy answer.
Unity comes from putting aside your personal differences and sticking up with and for others. It would be hard for CPD to do that since they all are "ONE_WAY". I think thats an actual course in the academy.
I'am retiring in February, 30 years. Will be the saddest day in my life!
I'm a Dic and I don't look down on patrol. They do stupid lazy shit but so Did I and I realize that.
It's impossible. CPD is a microcosm of society. People just don't get along.
Rom the original post:
Given the concentration of police within certain geographical boundaries, one would think that we could rise above our petty differences and maybe unite with other city workers (CFD comes to mind) and try to actively recruit an opponent to the mayor's tame aldercreatures.
Out of curiosity, are tensions strained between the CPD and the CFD like they are w/ NYPD & FDNY, or do you all have a good work relationship?
I know the PPD and PFD have a very good relationship and both departments have the same gripes that you mentioned, especially how the City is intent on screwing them all.
Anonymous said...
The Marines say they fight wars for no one but themselves.
10/04/2006 11:00:09 PM
Anon,
My youngest brother is a Marine and I've heard him say that many times. With the Corps, they ALL stick together no matter what.
Boss,Det,PO or unit,what it all comes down to is we ALL sink or swim together. What's good/bad for one is usually the same for all. We don't have to always get along to realize we have mutual concerns. One of the first basic rules you learn when becoming a patrolman is watch each others back because all you have is each other. When it comes to issues like working conditions,scheduals,health care,pay and retirement,we all have mutual concerns and should work together collectively to make things better. One of the things that we are losing as a department is mutual courtesy among ourselves. When I first came on this job coppers looked out for other coppers. Now all I see/hear is alot of backstabbing and animosity among the rank and file. SCC is right when he points out that the only ones that benefit from this situation is the powers that be at City Hall. If this department is going to survive and be effective in this century we must learn to stick together. Benjamin Franklin once said;"We must all hang together for we shall all surely hang seprately.
We also have a union that is weak! There is no independence! Our health benefits are being raised and in 2013 taken away from all that retire completely. The union has been saying "we are looking into it", Keep looking and making your huge salaries that we pay for! The commardrie issue is complex not just from the "no rotation schedule" It is more from the management perspective a fish stinks from the head down. Managaement does not want "Real police", the city under delay caves on every lawsuit we have a corp counsel office that is worthless just settle claims. Every other agency gets 80% 25 years in the state us 75% 29 + 1 day. The young officers maybe they never had a real job as some say, but remember they are trained to be like they are. the academy changed teaching changed "Old School" booses are leaving in droves. There is more!
SCC, your right on the money! I couldn't agree with you anymore.
I'm not sure what it will take for us to come together on the watch, or in a unit. However, it has been done before. A few things come to mind; the HAMPTON ISSUE, AND getting rid of Bill NOLAN.
I understand that former Lt. Eddie Kantor is running for City Clerk. He has been in charge since Clerk Laski was indicted.
Kantor's name appears on your current city vehicle sticker. Let's see if we can unite behind him and get a real policeman elected into office...
SIGN HIS PETITIONS
The CFD--WTF??!!!
I agree with circa 1992 regarding the new officers demands. I work in 24, and one PPO in particular, within a months period,let it be known that she couldn't work with basically half the watch. She then let it be known who she COULD work with, what D.O.G. worked best for her, and wanted her "friend" and her to be in the same D.O.G. Of course, the W/C caves in to her demands, probably because he want's no beefs. How about we tell PPO's you work with who you are assigned to work with, this is the D.O.G. your in, and have a nice day! That's how it was when I came on, you kept your mouth shut and worked with whoever until you got off probation, then you could hook up with your buddies. Now every one comes out of the academy with demands and rights. Is this going on everywhere? Let me know.
I'm a Dic and I don't look down on patrol. They do stupid lazy shit but so Did I and I realize that.
10/05/2006 05:47:21 AM
im not a det but work in the det division, and when i go to scenes and ask the beat car to verify the address i ask where they were shot and they say right there but the address they are using is the address the caller called from could be a half a block away or around the corner..how FUCKING stupid is that. and on top of that when you tell them are u stupid they have no shame these new aholes. and these f.t.o's want more money pleaseeeeeeeeeee
The information age killed the police dept. Everybody needs and wants to know shit. In the past nobody cared.
Accountability has also done a ton of damage to morale. If you r in Tact/Gangs/Beat Car/or a Dick u r expected to work hard. If you r a worker your expected to make up for all the lazy pieces of shit who do nothing. Meanwhile headquarters has 10 lazy fat females who do as much work in a week as 1 real scretary in the private sector does before lunch. Those 10 useless females also don't combine to have 35 years on the job. In the past those would have at least been oldtimers who were coasting out the end of their careers. Now its all politcal hacks who have never made an arrest that wasn't a holding the offender job or who have been in a desk spot their entire career.
U want to fix morale and the dept. 1. Rotate the shifts. If somebody really wants midnites let them have it. Other than that rotate everybody. Those oldtimers who don't like it can retire. 2. Civilianize alot of the administrative spots. I work so I don't care about do nothings. The city could save alot of money by getting secretaries for half the cost of P.O.'s that don't do any police work. If you know you have to work when you get on this job you'll get better candidates. 3. Send alot of the oldtimers to the detective division as P.O.s and put them in review. I know the dicks have a small review section. Make it bigger!!!!! I know I ripped the oldtimers a little bit earlier in this post but this is where a veteran of the dept can be used to his or her best. A big review section in the Areas can save the dicks alot of time on shit that could never be solved. 4. Eliminate Tru and SOS. Put these officers back in dists that need them. 7,8,10, and 11 could use these officers full time. The arrogance shown by these units does more to ruin morale than it does to help. Plus it would eliminate administrative and commander positions that r unecessary. The biggest problem with morale is people don't know each other and really don't trust each other. The more we consolidate the more officers will know.
Thats just a few fixes but it would be a move in the right direction.
This post sheds light on whats been going on in the fighten(fighten?, I must be stoned!!)019. Over there its "EVERYMAN FOR HIMSELF!!" Even the street SGTs are better than the POs.(I'll just take my time, and hopefully the job will just go away)
When the "balloon goes up" hopefully soon, all of you slugs/cowards that apply to this should be put in front of a firing squad! Yea, downtown,the union,alot of the bosses,the clout babies all suck, but you still owe your brother-in-arms some backup.
Anonymous said...
I'am retiring in February, 30 years. Will be the saddest day in my life!
10/05/2006 05:14:01 AM
There's more to life than police work....DUH !!
I'm leaving soon too...happiest day of my life !!
Divide and Conquer. Read Caesar's
Gallic Wars or Sun Tzu's Art of War. I have to hand it to the Mayor on this one: He is the Grand Master.
The 1st thing we ought to do to unite US is to have a protest at FOP hall for endorsing that bitch Blago against our will! (thats US, the rank & file)Im sure some Troopers, and some state Lock-Up guys would be willing to join.
Channel 7's Goudie is a prick, but he's right on the head on this one; about our unions not doing what the rank/file wants. Goudie handed us the torch, its up to us now!!!!
I was blessed to have worked (and survived) old Fillmo' for my first three years on the job. To this day, I fondly recall the camaraderie and esprit de corps of my fellow officers. We were fucking BLUE to the bone.
On a 10-1, the first wave of a score of units, blue Mars lights flashing and sirens wailing, were only a minute away--even with "no cars available" on the old Zone 4.
While I loved to lock up felons, I'm happily out of the loop now. All I can say is that while disparate individual differences existed, we always had each others back.
I'll let the reader decide. However, one might arguably advance the theory that with all the violence and as many as ten line-of-duty murders of police officers city-wide per year, the hazards had a symbiotic affect on our solidarity, particularly on the coppers who then worked the streets of districts like the notoriously riotous 011, as well as 002, 003, 007 and 010 (north half).
In addition, unlike today, we had stand-up leaders like the late Commander George Sims.
Like in combat, constant and unpredictable life-threatening situations bonds guys together.
While rotating shifts were no significant problem to the health of younger officers, medical research has clearly determined that as we age, this medieval practice diminishes longevity and borders on insanity. Steady tours are finally here to stay.
Even then, many wired suckholes always managed to work steady weekdays in empty-holster units. I regard such so-called police with utter contempt--unless they "paid their dues" earlier in their careers. My late father was a captain in 012 at the time. While I could have probably transferred elsewhere, the relentless action and camaraderie in Fillmo' was my choice until I was promoted to detective.
Clout is a cancer to job morale and unity. All sworn members should "pay their dues" as "the REAL PO-leese". This is the glue that instills mutual admiration, respect and solidarity among our fellow officers.
Today's coppers have my sympathy in suffering the effects of "political correctness" and all
the other bullshit they must endure from the hypocritical political weasels that keep a stranglehold on CPD morale.
Retirement is good--very, very good.
The newer babies have ruined this department. They complain constantly and never shut the fuck up. I work with a new guy who looks over your shoulder everytime you fill out a yellow slip for days off and then has the nerve to say to you "taking off again". This loser takes off more then anyone else and god forbid he is told no. He cry's like a little bitch and calls his daddy. This fuck head is leaving to go to gang intelligence and didn't even have the balls to tell his team,sgt,lt or commander. What a prick. I hope you hate it there and want to come back. You will be beat car bound loser. Go fuck yourself your old team
Off topic, but did anyone see the article in the Sun-Times today re: in car winshield mounted cameras? With the ability to retroactively capture video during the minute before the roof lights are activated and to record in-car audio?.....
To: 10/05/2006 12:34:19 AM wessside detective
Thanks for the encouragement. Finally someone who “gets it” in the detective division. Many people will say that a salute means nothing, but when they get to see their name in the bulletin, it really is kind of nice to see.
I’ve had really positive experiences dealing with many detectives from Area 3 and 5 (I haven't been to the other Area's). Many go out of their way to sit down and explain to me why something is done “this way” or “that way” without talking down to my partner and I.
Stay safe.
Unite with the CFD? I WISH we could unite with them; I WISH we had their union!!!
Just for the hell of it, go to the CFD union's web page and you will be amazed at what you see. They actually list their promotional exam results right there, from engineer up to chief. See the names with the * by them? Those are people who were "passed over" for promotion, in order to make a merit. Their union ensures that if the list is torn down, those people get first promotion, next test!!
Where does our union list any promotional exam results? They don't!
I think it comes down to trust.
The only person it seems for a while that you can trust is your own partner and that is about it.
Sad that it is like that.
Everyone one, man or woman, puts their pants on the same way, except some people think they put them on better. And that is part of the problem.
Stay Safe my brothers and sisters.
Hey 2:47, while I agree with you on having a problem with mr. "I'm too busy too tell you what I have." tact guy who makes 15 - 20 arrests a period. Don't lump all tact guys on the same page. I came from the watch, worked all three as a matter of fact. I still have great relationships with all three watches, including going to watch parties. I also know several others who do the same thing. Unfortunately I can also tell you that there are tact guys who do think their sh#t don't stink, but they are all self loving a$$holes, who usually can't find a pinch without "playing the radio".
Don't want to rant just don't want to be lumped in with the other a$$holes.
As far as the tact person who wrote the 15 - 20 arrests per period and is too busy to talk to other police officers, go powder your vagina, take some midol, and do some self reflection, you aint all that.
Why do some think that the answer is rotating shifts? What does this have to do keeping the moral up? How bout coming up for a job and God forbid helping someone who is getting clobbered with jobs, because you want to stay down on a traffic stop for 25 mins.
"It's impossible. CPD is a microcosm of society. People just don't get along" The person who wrote this is absolutely correct.
Its funny this subject came up. A few of us were speaking of it today. I'm glad I came on when I did. Pre CAPS, rotating shifts, and partners on cars. Watch parties that blew all parties away! Man we had a blast. The team work and togetherness of those watches are something I have never seen again. Oh for the good old days!
SCC you hit the nail on the head.With 30+ on and soon to go I've never seen morale so low,and the backstabbing so high.Sadly we're playing right into the hands of the powers to be.The only way I could ever see it changing is to get a reform mayor elected who will hire someone from the OUTSIDE to run this dept.And I have a better chance of winning the lotto than seeing that.I've got no use for daley,but its the people he's put in power that are ruining this job,and we're paying the price for it.
When we went on straight watches and stopped rotating, a lot of the cohesiveness of the job left. Watch parties were always a good way to blow off steam and get to know everyone on your watch. It was one thing to see someone at roll call every day, but quite another to sit down and talk over a beer (or whatever) and let off steam, get to know each other....etc.
I'm not advocating going back to the rotation, just remembering how things were better then.
What is the answer? Hell, I don't know. Wish I did.
why not come to 16, that's where some REAL backstabbing, and talking untrue bullshit behind people's back takes place. you need to spend only one day there and you will see or hear the full effect of some negative attitude's in that district. smile people, it's a job and an adventure!!!!
10/04/2006 11:00:09 PM
Your point is well taken, but I must say that I find it nothing short of offensive to compare the CPD to the USMC in any context. I have served with both and while I sometimes did not like my Marine superiors, enlisted and Officer alike, I never doubted or questioned their moral qualities or technical and tactical proficiency. While I have met many people that I like here at CPD I have found very few that I can respect like I respected those people. If it was only a case of a lack of techncal or tactical proficiency we could say that it is nothing more than a training issue which might be adressed with a better allocation of resources. Sadly, this is not the case. Here, at CPD it is a rare day when our "managers" can even be said to be telling the truth. We don't have the right people. Recently, there has been debate concerning the wisdoom of requiring college. The real drive should be to find the right people that have an identifiable moral foundation regardless of whether or not they have a significant educational background. At least we should find people, especially for command positions, that can tell the truth.
Cohesiveness...? Should it not be
"cohesion"...?
SCC:
I have been racking my brain since I was promoted out of the D unit to Sergeant as to why morale in the Districts was so bad. I literally felt like Alice in Wonderland falling down the rabbit hole. Everything looked the same, but man it was so heartbreakingly different. I have had many conversations with friends over a beer, and we feel the blame lies in the following areas:
1: Leadership. There isn't any. First line supervisors have been totally emasculated by the brass. Sergeants are merely highly paid baby sitters too busy answering radio assignments to keep districts out of backlog, doing useless "bean counting" make-work to do any real supervision. They don't even have time to mentor, a vital component of supervising. Lts have no real power to change anything, captains are all merit promoted cry babies (have you ever met a happy one? I haven't) and I'm not even gonna touch the exempts. They are only looking out for themselves and the claw up the ladder.
P.S.: It sure would be nice if the Supt. would stand up for us publicly, loudly and regularly.
2: Permanent Shifts: No doubt, this is a morale buster. Turned this into a J-O-B, a punch the time card, get in and get out job. This feeling is intensified by working the same work load, the same bosses and same personnel without a break, for ever. If you are on 3rd watch, you are killed with radio traffic non-stop every minute. 1st watch is peopled with guys that either work for two masters and are loyal to none, or young guys in desperate need of mentoring and direction. 2nd watch has the benefit of all the experienced old-timers, many of whom are wasting their knowledge, waiting for retirement. Do away with the gimme too watch differential. There is no reason why the day time dollies should get it. And third watch should get only 75%. There really should be an incentive for 1st watch.
3: Constant Alert: The department has been running on empty with understaffed overworked officers (mainly in patrol, but just as bad in all units, I think) since 9-11, with limited overtime and vacation time; every time we go to Orange alert, the same dedicated guys and gals get put into longer hours, heightened alert. It's exhausting. And there is never a relief.
4: Clout Babies/promotions: Enough said. I agree with all the other posters on this topic: make this a transparent process and only allow 1 bite at the apple.
5. Watch Parties: Bring them back. At least once a month, every watch in every unit/district ought to get together for some down-time. We will be more cohesive if we know each other.
6. Do away with the college requirement. Institute a real background check. Morale can only go up if we know the person sitting next to us is not a gangbanger or felon.
7. Fire the incompetent weasels: I guarantee, for me any way, that if the criminals and incompetents on this job could get fired, I would certainly get a spring back in my step.
8. I hope this is wrong, but the guys in the 70's said it first: we have become complaisant. With less in the line of duty deaths, we don't have that urgency/dependency on each other.
I've rambled on enough. Sorry for taking your time.
25th anniversary coming up, and still love this job.
WOW, Lefty as FOP President??? How long before he would turn the hall into a homeless shelter?
This ain't your daddy's police department, kid!
Lefty, we don't have the meetings required in order to run for office and little time to actually attend meetings to make ourselves eligible for next election. Maybe in a few years. Thanks though for offering us the top spot. Maybe Rue can run? With Sieser as one of the VPs?
I think 9:33 PM and Northside summed up the shattered star pretty good. Never have so few done so much for so little. There is little unity and it plays right into Daley's hands. Divide and conquer.
Most of the bosses are just inept political puppets and useless scumbags who have $old their $ouls.
The taxpayers will get the police dept. that they deserve. With public apathy and without drastic reforms, who really gives a f-ck? The only incentive to do police work is pride and peer recognition.
No Wagonman, you stand corrected. By that kind of assinine comment, YOU are part of the problem. But you are no threat to me.
BTW...what kind of a name is wagonman, wait I know, you must work in BoysTown (023) with a name like that....wagonman...LOL.
Just remember this....it may be a (as you so stated, a broad) who could save your undoubtbly sorry ass out of a jam one night.
Men AND women are what make this department what it is. If certain individuals would get their swelled egomaniac heads out of their asses maybe they would see that. But then again, maybe your just feeling threatened that a woman can do just as good of a job as you can or probably even better.
Go have another drink you asshat!!
I personally think that the biggest threat to cohesiveness is broads on the job. It starts with the POWER test and continues up to the new stars. Police Officer indeed!
10/05/2006 10:43:07 PM
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Wagonman has it exactly right. Women have NEVER been held to the same standards as men on this job, starting with the fact that they do not have to meet the same physical requirements in the academy (this problem is also being experienced in the military/military academies). When they get to the districts, they are treated differently by the bosses. Why would there not be animosity toward them by males? As far as watch parties, I know for a fact that women on the job are the reason for the downfall of the "old time" watch parties. Anyone old enough to remember the old time watch parties knows exactly what I'm talking about.
bond with CFD? these are the same people that, in 1980, were attacking policemen who were guarding their stations. don't forget they had their little illegal strike. they consider themselves heroes, just listen to one for ten seconds and they'll tell you. but if they don't get what they want, they will attack the police and go on strike.
remember boys we "broads" would rather be called "broads" than "bitches" which is what you whining boys are!!!
I hate to write this but...
City wide anarchy, riots, a terrorist disaster,external attacks upon the safety of all families, extreme natural disaster ie. loss of water supply to entire city...
these would more likely than not pull us all together.
There is a philosophy underlying the "Us vs.Them" that bonds the
opposing parties. Sorry.
Anyone old enough to remember the old time watch parties knows exactly what I'm talking about.
10/06/2006 02:52:42 AM Getting high on dope and sucked off by street whores?Ok,it was fun but I don't think that was reason for ma more "cohesive" dept.
bond with CFD? these are the same people that, in 1980 . . .
1980? That was 26 years ago. Is that really still relevant? For chrissake, let it go. Besides, if you were on the job in 1980, you should spend your time planning your well earned retirement rather than worrying about firemen.
hey 2:47 im the 6 year wonder as some of you might call me nobody says i cuddled with the prisoners in fact i do what i do to avoid beefs. but i get what your saying about someone asking me what i got cuz they would geniunely like to know or to learn from the arrest. but i also know when someone asks just because they are fuck$%* nosey. you obviously are not on tact but a beat car. because anyone in their right mind would prefer to not have to go down on the air for lunch or not have to deal with the shit^% domestics/burglar alarms/ missings/doa's but you are a hater. my brother works on the floor as a trader, my cousin works in the sales industry my best friend is a teacher and guess what i hear their stories and they are just like ours...nobody gets along with anyone at their jobs either.....my question to everyone. why does everyone want to be liked by everyone and is so worried what others think of them? fuck cohesiveness.....wake up not everyone is gonna like everyone. as long as you have your little group of tight friends is all that should matter.....now when you are hated by everyone now thats a problem....the hell with cohesiveness. listen if you are calling a ten- one i will be there for you....but guess what im not gonna go and get a drink with half you douche bags....i hate coppers. majority of them are a$$hol$# in fact i can be one myself..so why the fu%% do i want to hang out with a copper.i have very few coppers that i can trust and i am fine with that. who needs the superficial bull sht .....the hi everyone hows it going.....man look at all my friends....fu%& that.....
i have almost 6 years on the job so by any means im not saying i know it all because i know very little if i know anything..... but i do know what works for me and believe it or not i do not have one cr in six years. and dont give me the "your not the working police because i am on tact. and get between 15-20 arrests a period. its funny because a lot of times the people i arrest walk to lock- up with a smile on their face. there is no need to make this job personal i treat everyone with respect unless they cross the line which very few do. there is no need to mother f#@% your arrestee. some of these coppers and even on my own team once they make an arrest they think they are johnny bad a%% and they want to talk to their head like he/she is a piece of shit. let me ask what do you get out of that? as long as me and my partner are going home thats all that matters.once in awhile my partner and i get worked up and start arguing with a prisoner while we are transporting them to the station and we normally stop half way there and ask ourselves ....why are we arguing with this person? there is no point ? and that is the extent of it. its a job 8 hrs? these gurus who are tackleberries carrying their guns around to a ballgame or even to mow their lawn.... who sit at a bar and talk about all there arrests. dude thats pathetic. its like a accountant or trader sitting around and telling all his buddies how bad azz he is and how many numbers he crunched. listen nobody cares about your stories. unless its a funny story something very comical and unique i do not talk about my arrests to anybody. whats the point self gratification? lets be realistic who wants to hear that? its like a basketball player that had a good game and he goes around telling everyone how many points he scored. how many times have you been on an arrest and someone comes up to you while your trying to do your paper work and ask "what you got man"? i always say treason or bigamy. get the fu%# out of my face let me do my paperwork so i dont have to sit in the station any longer than i have to and if you really wanna know so bad what i got go to your car and E>D> me on the pdt. i have worked with people who have had many cr's and working with them for ten minutes i see the reason why. just got we are the police doesnt mean we are better than people and can talk to people the way we want. yes some deserve to be treated like shit and belittled but those are far and few between. many coppers get into the mode of talking to everyone like a piece of shit. listen as far as im concerned we are little pawns for the city. we make shit money. and there is no need to make this job personal or make it our lives. so do yourself and everyone else a favor. quit bitching and look in the mirror and ask yourself how you could make this job better for you and your family. fu#@ the city fu$@ the bosses. how can you make your life easier. as long as the pay check is there the 1st and the 16th thats all that should really matter the shit in between should be gravy. why get grey hairs mother-fu#$in evryone. smile and kill em with kindness. believe me people think you are nuts when you are always smiling and that nothing bothers you. but are you nuts? or are you really the genius?
5. Watch Parties: Bring them back. At least once a month, every watch in every unit/district ought to get together for some down-time. We will be more cohesive if we know each other.
YOu got it. This is #1. You can't trust a guy who doesn't drink.
Like I said before, the Job ended when straight shifts started and the "girls" came on the Job.
Really, if that is then case why is the power test scored in the way it is? why are the beat tags no longer in the middle of the car? Why can females have long hair and I can't?
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With all the crap that is going on in the world....and you're worried about that a woman had a different standard on the power test that you took probably a year ago. You make me laugh. Thanks! I needed a good chuckle.
You must really have alot of time on your hands...probably a dogass who who has nothing better to do then sit there and think....those damn women, they had a minute more to run then I did, or they only had to do 8 less sit-ups then I did. (It's been awhile, don't know if the power test has change since then, and its different for age as well).
As for the beat tags, what does that have to do with women being on the job. Don't know about your car, but mine always seems to have it's beat tag.
And for the hair thing, um, if you want to have long hair as a male, um, then you probably would look more like a female if that's what you want. Actually, now that I think of it...you're sounding like a whiney little bitch!
Ho-Hum...Yawn! Let me know when you actually have something interesting to say.
05:25
I just think you are the best cop ever. I want to be just like you. Can you teach me? Six years--LOL. You are my hero!! Ha HAA HAA. You are funny!!
If you hate cops, why are you one?
6 year tact officer-hopefully sometime before you die you'll realize that you are everything you claim to be morally superior to...but probably not. You're walking that fine line between being entertaining enough to engage in some kind of debate with and doing such a good job of making yourself look like an idiot that it's just a moot point. Oh well.
Bottom line cops are arrogant cops cops think they are Gods gift to women. Cops think they have some kind of authority when they are off duty the way they talk to people. Cops think they are better than everyone else. Cops think they know everything. I agree 110% with the six year wonder. I am a cop and that is the last person I would want to hang out with or to be around my family.
The six year wonder may be a little egotistical himself but he does speak the truth i will have to say.
Like I said before, the Job ended when straight shifts started and the "girls" came on the Job.
10/06/2006 10:42:26 PM
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GROW UP AND QUIT YOUR WHINING!
Hey 6 year wonder who "hates" cops. I hope with your attitude you never become a boss, because I an sure you would go out of your way to mess with the troops, but then again you are probably just what the bosses at 35th st. want.
09:33:44P.M. I have close to 28 years on, and I agree with everything you say. I couldn't have said it better myself.
"girls" came on in like 1967 stupid moron....when did little bitches like you get on? grow a back-bone asshat, dont you know we broads laugh at little whiney bitches like you. and we make the same money!! hahahahaha....yawn...when you have something smart to say, then why dont you write in?
LACK OF COHESIVENESS
An apt title for this thread as it sadly & unequivocally proves its point.
How can we, as a group, accomplish anything when so much time, energy, and effort is expended in slander, petty jealousies, and pure outright hatred?
Is there unfairness and favoritism
within the CPD? — absolutely
Do certain individuals obtain positions and ranks they don't deserve (let alone are competent in)? — absolutely
... ad infinitum ...
Show me where such things don't exist?
Is it right? — Of course not!
Can you change the culture of an organization? — Sure you can but it takes commitment from the very top on down.
Unfortunately for us such a change will NEVER occur.
Especially, when you can't get a handful of us to agree on anything.
As for the beat tags, what does that have to do with women being on the job.
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When the beat tags were in the middle of the light bar (as they were, originally), females couldn't reach them, asshat new guy.
To 10/05/2006 08:54:27 AM,
A real policeman? Never heard of him! Running the clerks office since the other theiving asshole gets locked-up? Who is this clout heavy house mouse? A real policeman? I know who they are, or were: Farrell, Henry Hartman Severin and Rizzato, Rappaport, Camp and Knight, the old man... Keep your political shit to yourself, hack.
The difference between "straight" watches and "rotating" ones is that we were all together in the experience (not really a good one) of changing watches every 28 days, we (about 90-95%) of us shared that - even if we were on different watches we all went through the same stuff - sufferred through the watch(es) we didn't like and had a great time on the watch(es) we liked. It seems we had more exposure to each other and we had a more closely shared experience of the patrol job...
Now, we are isolated from those on the other watches as well as those on the other roll calls... Many are on the watch they want to be on, so the "communal strife" doesn't exist, we have few(er) experiences in common, so we have less in common... we - as a group or as a "brotherhood" or whatever you want to call it - have been fragmented by straight watches. We have no "team concept" so we have no team...
OK I don't want to bore you further, these are just my thoughts on the matter.
BLA Bla, you guys would not have a problem with women on this job if you'd stop trying to fuck all of us! Even if we looked like men or acted like men there would still be those special boys who would try to get with us. Stop your crap about woman. I am a firm believer that there needs to be more stringint physical requirements for both men and woman. There are some guys out there that are worse than woman to have as partners. It should be a requirement to pass a real physical test, phsyciatric test and health physical every year for both men and woman no seperate standards. I am a woman and I can pass the "male" version of this test and I have 13 years on this job can you say the same? As for wagon men, I have seen a few wagon boys puke their guts out while I stand there laughing. I think I'm one of the few woman you would have some respect for, death, dismemberment, gruesome doesn't bother me, bag em danno! Where's my cheezburger, I'm hungry! Men are not all they are cracked up to be on this job either, not everyone is a superstar, but when we get one weak female now you guys throw us all together in the same basket. How about you remember we are all individuals each with our own talents and capabilities. This job is not about testosterone, its about being a diverse individual both physically and phycologically. Lets use our fellow officers talents and stop bashing their weaknesses that will only lead to our own detriment both on the street and socially. Alright I will give you this much, yes there are a lot of useless braods out there but so are there men.
By the way, Iknow your thinking it, no I am not a lesbian! Oh and you would never know my hair was down to my ass if you did not see me off duty, I keep it up, off my face, minimal make up. Totally different off duty, it just a job not an adventure. I don't even talk about work when I am off.
I think you guys just don't like woman on this job cause now your wives and their friends know what and who you are doing and how much money you are really making! Sucks doesn't it! Even the useless have something to contribute even if its just a cake.
SUGGESTION: Why not a 20% pay differential for officers who actually work the street, Dst. P/Os, Det.s etc. Let the desk bunnies have their bullet proof jobs but at a reduced pay grade.
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