The SCC and Reader's Solution
Offered free of charge to anyone with the balls to implement it. You can even credit it to SCC and our readers if you have the nads to admit you read this site. If not, well, someone will remember where they saw it first. By the way, we realize this post is going to irritate a shitload of people - but the Department is bleeding and this is a tourniquet. Post your own opinions if you like, BUT KEEP IT CIVIL. Attacks on us aren't going to solve anything:
- Dump all these stupid Area gun teams and saturation teams and crap. Create one single Area wide Team like the old mission teams and draft them from the existing Tact/Gang teams. 4 officers from each district in the Area for a quick reaction force and "hot spot" mission team. 16 to 20 coppers is 8 or 10 cars - that'll be good enough to cover an Area's hot spots. (Gain quite a few cops)
- Disband SOS or TRU. Sorry, SOS is a political liability now. TRU is a revenue and number generator, nothing more. Pick one or the other. Let's start manning the Beat cars again, then the Rapids. (Gain upwards of 100 cops)
- Knock off the seatbelt missions and outdoor roll calls. The Superintendent himself said he didn't want the Districts doing the seatbelt missions if the only purpose was to generate tickets. Yet we still have districts running a seatbelt mission EVERY watch of EVERY day tying up how many man hours and resources? Use this "new" traffic unit for seatbelt missions and flood hotspots if you must. Outdoor roll calls are just stupid and tie up cars that should be answering calls. (Gain hundreds of man hours)
- Gut Headquarters. Last time they had a 10 or 20% reduction in manpower, the only change was in the number of parking spaces available. The paperwork didn't stop flowing, operations didn't grind to a halt. If anything, the volume of paper INCREASED as people attempted to justify their existence via memo writing. HQ is running three shifts nowadays and that's insane. Cancel the details and let's see where everyone is REALLY hidden. (Gain 200 minimum - maybe 250)
- Gut the front offices - 10 officers in a front office? C'mon now. And no more 2 and 3 years wonders behind the desks. No one likes you? Here's your traffic car. (Gain 3 or 4 cops per district)
- Shitcan the CAPS program - it's done. The Federal money ran out for that years ago. Now it's just a drag on the Department, a hiding place for too many do-nothings, and a drain on resources. Spend the money on the front line guys. (Gain 5+ cops per district plus a bunch from downtown)
- Hire retired guys to dispatch AND make it subject to Department discipline. Some of the best dispatchers we ever knew worked the streets we were on. They listened to the coppers and sergeants and adapted to changing conditions. Today, dispatch is run by civilians and manned by civilians who are tied to unrealistic expectations of getting the jobs out regardless of officer safety or manpower realities. THIS IS NOT A SLAM ON DISPATCHERS who are as undermanned and undertrained as we are. But put some grizzled vets in there and show the civilians how it ought to be done. (Gain countless years of police experience)
- Remap the Districts. This is a political hot potato, but it's been posted here and elsewhere that we don't need 25 districts anymore. 008 is too big, so is 016. 002 is two square miles of nothing, 013 and 021 are easily absorbed into the surrounding districts and 023 was slated to be closed back when 019 opened. Close three to five districts and you have between 700 to 1,200 coppers to alleviate manpower shortages elsewhere. And the bosses could conceivably keep some of their little detail units.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
129 Comments:
BRING BACK THE TASK FORCE!!!
NO WAIT THE COMMAND STAFF WOULD NEED BALLS TO DO IT.
NEVERMIND........
Close District's!!!
Close 013, 023, 021. You would immeditately gain 9 Capt's 18 lt's 90 Sgt's and 600+ PO's ready to be assigned immediately. Have bordering Districts absorb the closed ones and give a super bid to those districts that are absorbing the beats. You would still be left w/ 400-500 PO's to reassign, not to mention supervisors. You eliminate 3 Commander spots for a savings of $300,000.00 per yr. not to mention operatings costs for keeping the Stations open. Each Surrounding District could absorb 3 bts from the affeted one thus making this a logistical possiblity.
Close District's!!!
Close 013, 023, 021. You would immeditately gain 9 Capt's 18 lt's 90 Sgt's and 600+ PO's ready to be assigned immediately. Have bordering Districts absorb the closed ones and give a super bid to those districts that are absorbing the beats. You would still be left w/ 400-500 PO's to reassign, not to mention supervisors. You eliminate 3 Commander spots for a savings of $300,000.00 per yr. not to mention operatings costs for keeping the Stations open. Each Surrounding District could absorb 3 bts from the affeted one thus making this a logistical possiblity.
. . Shitcan the CAPS program - it's done. The Federal money ran out for that years ago. . .
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Did the money really run out? We have been told OT for officers going to CAPS meetings was federal money. That is why inspectors are now going to the meetings heavily and critiquing them. The department wants the silliness of CAPS “to work” so the federal money still comes in.
All sounds great to me (except the closing of some districts). I particularly like the abandoning of CAPS (doesn't work, never did, nevr will) and retired coppers re-hired as dispatchers ideas. I know some of the civilian dispatchers that are working now are doing a good job but you just can't do the job as well as someone who has worked in a beat car. I don't care what you say, it can't be done.
And we DEFINITELY need to have the beat AND district boundaries redrawn. 008 and 016 are just way too big to handle as they are now. I think 25 districts is appropriate, IF the beats are redrawn citywide.
I think you're are right on SCC. I'd like to throw handle the lack of supervision, and one suggestion at dealing with it-hiring the next superintendent from outside the department. A strong leader, unattached to the many cliques and political groups in the department. Someone who doesn't promote because you were on his tact team or are related to someone or worked for some alderman. A Bratton or a Kelly. I know, it's just a dream.
i know it'll never happen...ah but to dream...
I totally feel the 2 and 3 year wounders behind the desk is fucking wrong!!! Take 011 3rd watch that entire staff does not have 3 yrs. The acting desk sgt, some short fat f/2 P.O. with less than 3 yrs walks around there like she has been fighting crime and cheating death for 20 years!!! She needs to put in her place, and soon. The desk and inside work should be given to those with 5 years or more. The only exception would be Light duty and Females that are pregnat. I know of coppers with 2 yrs going to IAD. I dont care where you came from or how much street time you may have had in Streamwood, you cannot investigate us until you have been one of us and know what the fuck you might be talking about. This department needs a over haul.
make a precision driving team. Similair to the Blue Angels, but cops in cars. It would really bolster our image with the public and increase recruiting, just like the Navy's Blue Angels. Call them the Blue Raiders or something cool like that. They could do all kinds of neat tricks with their driving skills, wear cool blue jump suits, and maybe even cool helmets like Grossey from CHiPs.
If TRU or other do nothing units are in a district have them answer calls. What is TRU's purpose? There might be 5% of coppers in unit that work rest make fake contact cards. You wont see TRU in hotspots on holidays cause they get to go home with car? What kind of bullshit is that? Someone should keep better tabs on TRU cause when they are supposed to be in district they are rarely seen, where are all the cars? Watch them!!!!!
i couldnt have said it better myself. hopefully the powers that be read your suggestions.
Easiest solution... HIRE more police!
And thats why they will never do it.
As a 25 year veteran of the CPD, and a contributer to this site, I agree with almost all of what you say.
You are 100% correct about dumping the area gun, saturation teams etc. Yes, take 4 Tact or Gang guys from each district and send them to the area. Send everyone else back to the districts.
I Disagree with disbanding either SOS or TRU. Both units serve a purpose and each unit has its good people, slugs, and people in the middle. Both units should be greatly scaled back. Keep the 100 to 125 best people in each unit and send everyone else back to the Districts. And while at it, why don't we cut back on NAGIS and Intellegence. Do they really need all the manpower that they have. Both units are flush with people.
I couldn't agree more about the seatbelt missions and outdoor roll calls. These are a great waste of manpower and resourses.
Also lord only knows how many people are hidden at 35th & Michigan. Cut that place to the bone.
I like hiring retired P.O.'s to dispatch. A great idea.
Yes, CAPS should be gone. But there is a lot of money and civilian patronage jobs tied up there, so it probably won't happen.
This department should seriously consider closing some districts and building new ones. Candidates for closure would be 021, 013, and 023. Other districts such as 008, 016, 025, and maybe 004 should be split into two districts. Also district boundaries should be redrawn. 002, which is now one of the quietest districts in the city has 4 beats per sector and a small geographic area. Time to change some boundaries. Question is will this department make the necessiary changes? I am betting that we won't. I hope I am wrong.
I agree with alot of what you say SCC. I wouldn't eliminate SOS, TRU, GUN, TACT, and GANG Teams. In slower districts these are the only guys who make arrests. They are not there to help the watch with burglar alarm calls or traffic accidents. I know you have useless fucks on these teams who don't do any police work. On the other hand you have guys who know the players in their districts. These guys assist the Dicks when they get off their high horse and ask for help(its becoming more common this last year). The guys who do their jobs assist NAGIS and anybody who comes and asks. You shouldn't get rid of these guys. SOS and TRU are your roaming hit squads. The dept needs them to keep shitheads honest. Any dope pinch is a good pinch in my opinion. Arresting people is the number 1 duty of the police in my book. Have some better supervision of these teams and dump the clowns. You will have a better fighting force and less complaints.
I agree wholeheartedly about eliminating house mouse spots. This dept runs the guys on the street like a business. How about running the dept like a real business and eliminating 70k to 80k secretaries. These clowns wouldn't make 30k in the real world for the amount of work they do. Old Timers only for the spots that have to be manned by a PO because of privacy issues.
My plan would be simple. Start with headquarters. I guarentee we would all be shocked by the amount of waste there. I know its bad but can you imagine how bad it really is???
Next Caps. They call themselves community relations. Well make them Area relations. Have 8 PO's and 1 Sgt for each area. Thats more than enough. People who don't work the street should have to work 3xs as hard as those who do.
Remapping, you hit it right on the head SCC. 019 and 020 could absord 023 with their eyes closed. All of 021 should be given to 002. 013 should be bye bye and broken up between 012 and 014 and whoever else is deemed necessary to pick some of the dist up.
Now a problem you didn't address SCC and I don't why. How many women do we have on this job??? Im willing to bet its over 30% of the dept. How many of these women work the street??? I'm willing to bet that only 2 out of every 10 women on this job work the street. How many of us workers notice that the rarest thing on this job is a female for a search? The broads on the street are holding for the shitbirds all the time. Heaven forbid any females are available to search the bigmouth bitches. Amen to the women who work hard on the street!!! Shame on you to the over priced secretaries who I won't even call sisters in blue.
In closing the Socialist who runs this city won't ever let the changes we all want happen. If you made all the changes necessary to have good response times to jobs and shitheads shown the lockup, women would have to be put on the street along with all the cowards. Thats not going to happen!!!!!! Napoleon wants his balance and the only way he can get it is to hide people who don't belong on this job.
I'm ready for anybody who wants to rip me as well.
District Commanders make $139,104 plus $ 11592 in differential. In my public school math that makes $ 450,000 per year, not $ 300,000. The savings would be even greater than this, but this is a political football. Remember the last time the mayor talked about closing districts? The Aldercreatures shot it down immediately.
Gut the units as well. Whats this about full duty being hidden in various limited duty slots and chilling? Wink dis Wink. What a cranked out operation the city runs. Take the limited duty and start assigning them to the spots the full duty are in through out the whole dept. not just the districts. Talk about using available manpower more efficiently all the way around. Have limited and retired hold the interior Fort together, that is if the retired would even be willing to come back.
Hey get a load of N.Y. Mayor and what he had to say about the shooting. Side note, looks like goof Jackson has jumped on board to take pot shots at NYPD and fight for the deceased and we thought we had problems here in Chicago. Stay strong NYPD.
Portion taken from today's Suntimes.
Bloomberg has said the shooters appeared to have violated the policy stating that officers cannot shoot at a vehicle being used as a weapon if no other deadly force is involved
One word Fits this Mayor, LUNATIC!
The only thing I would like to add is we could use a little help from our own out there. We have all these S.O.S.,T.R.U., and my favorite Saturation teams out there but they are no help to the beat cars. I am tired of hearing" squad do you have a paper car on the way". At what point does "on-view" not apply to them. Here was a good one the other day;
45S##: can we give a flash
Zone 12: go ahead 45S##
45S##: flash "blah, blah, blah"
Zone 12: 45S## are you doing the paper?
45S##: No squad we only give out the flash, you need to send over a paper car.
What the fuck, why are they so special, when they get to a job they pick and choose what they do.
The same night they find a crime scene from that shooting, and have the balls to ask for a car to sit on the scene. Bullshit if you find it you guard it.
For the record if the reason they can't do the paper is because their pen is broke,or the best "we dont carry reports" feel free to ask any one of the 25Th district Beat guys for a pen or reports, we will be more than happy to loan you one, or better yet stay the fuck out of our shit, we didn't need you before and we do not need you now.
You missed shitcanning the inspector positions. It's a worthless position where a Lt. can hide. We don't need these jackasses to let us know we came in 2 mins early for check off or that you can't have exposed cuffs. If something needs to be addressed, corrected, or disciplined, it can be done by supervisors. I thought that was part of the reason why we have supervisors and a chain of command in the first place. Besides, nobody likes them.
I AGREE WITH SOME OF YOUR IDEAS SCC:
As I look at it with 25 districts, every district has a gang problem or some type of narcotics trafficing. Years ago, 16 and 008 did not have this problem, but it has all changed now.
1.) Keep the Gang/Tact Teams
2.) Get rid of the Inspectors
3.) Keep all 25 districts
4.) Add more dists. to at least having 28 dist.
5.) Hire more police.
and
6.) Hire the retire guys to work headquaters AND IN THE FRONT OFFICE'S.
We don't want civilians in our business.
seriously, do spot checks in districts and you'll see an overflow of officers and sgt's working inside. Some of these officers do work, still, I don't see the need for them to work inside when we have just as many civilians working along side them. Better management of manpower is obviously needed. Every day we're in a backlog, still, when you see the over abundance of insiders, it just boggles the mind.
Good idea about moving CAPS to the AREA(s)
How about getting all the dogs in Districts who are laying down on paper or staion assignments to actually do something.
CAPS will always be around, unfortunately. This department is controlled by civilians and always will be. They tell CAPS what to do and civilian dispasters get cr numbers too.........so, they give out jobs so they can clear the board or else, regardless of officer safety. 2 year wonders will be our boss in a couple of years. That's all I hear at work is 5 years left, 3 years and so on, tha only gets us 20 and out. What the hell is happening here, there isn't a copper who will stay over 20 years and why is that? SCC thank you for this site, you deliver the truth and facts, hopefully someday the right person will read this blog and take the proper actions to help us. Thank's again.. be safe
Anonymous said...
make a precision driving team. Similair to the Blue Angels, but cops in cars. It would really bolster our image with the public and increase recruiting, just like the Navy's Blue Angels. Call them the Blue Raiders or something cool like that. They could do all kinds of neat tricks with their driving skills, wear cool blue jump suits, and maybe even cool helmets like Grossey from CHiPs.
11/30/2006 02:23:03 AM
You are right-on, insted of cars make it flying carpets like the Shriners. The 'carpets can all be checkerboard like our hat bands.
Of course the dept. would have to allow fezzes (spelling) with the chekerboard.
How about having the fire department sit on crime scenes and prisoners in the hospital. Maybe write the occasional missing or burglary report.
They refuse jobs and we have to ride on those. Lets spred the wealth.
TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT
The CPD should be on the cutting edge in the US and on the forefront of technology, equipment and training.
And this city needs to let our officers do their DAMN JOB and leave them alone.
I'll give you a half million reasons why...
CAPS works!
Celebrate FESTIVUS with copious quantities of Kool-Aid!
Close 023, and combine them w/019?
I can see those beefs in the locker room now! The 023 guys wont need to take lunch; they're going to eat those 019 slugs before roll call!! At least you wont hear no more "squad, I just sat down for lunch, give IT to someone else" Is that going on anywhere else in this city?
THE REASON THAT THERE ARE TWO YEAR WONDERS WORKING THE 11TH DIST DESK IS BECAUSE ANYONE WOULD MORE TIME DOESNT WANT TO WORK IT, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN THERE THEY LET THOSE SMELLY HYPES SLEEP THERE AND EVERYBODY IN THE WEST SIDE GOES IN THERE T0 ASK STUPID QUESTIONS
I agree with all the things said in the original post. But there are other places to get extra police. How about disbanding mass transit. Why do you nedd the unit if you have the people from special employment. Just change specials duties to cover what the actual Mass Transit Unit does and you free up coppers for the districts. Another unit is the airport units, north and south. You have PO's doing specail at the airports and units there full time. Why do you need 2 police departments in the airports. The airports have their own police with the same training but they are unarmed. So Chicago Police is required to be there. Arm the airport police and put the Chicago cops back on the streets. They don't do squat at the airports except walk around looking for a place to hide. This department and city waste cops in some of the most obscure places it's pathetic. How about the 2 cops that are assigned to King Richards front and back door 24/7. Let his bodyguard detail sit there. They aren't doing anything else 99 percent of the time except watching TV. How about the coppers who drive Eddie Burke around. Why does he need full time protection. Put the cops back on the street. Phil states crime is down, but thats more than likely the way the cases are being classified (homicides that are not homicides).
If Phil really wants to cut down crime, put the coppers in hidden and worthless places back into the districts. Then Channel 5 won't be on the air reporting the backlog of jobs and knocking the few cops who are actually working the districts for the backlogs. Hey phil, a car can only handle one job at a time. Or did you forget what the beat cop does.
I agree with everything said, except closing districts. Re-mapping, maybe. But closing even some of the slower ones is not the answer.
Shitcan Inspectors. Not only would it save the city over ONE MILLION DOLLARS a year, they are useless fucks anyhow.
Shitcan SOS. Fold the few honest guys into TRU but cut TRU's manpower by 30-40%. There are WAY too many guys there.
All excellent suggestions; I would add a couple more: 1) eliminate the gang teams. Merge the better of tact and gangs into the three tact teams, then everyone else goes back to the beat car; 2) take a hard look at narcotics, start with an immediate cut of, say, 30%, everyone cut back to the beat car; 3) to a certain degree, re-organize the Dept., merge some units and bureaus into others; eliminate some exempt positions (and their staffs), use lt's to run functions instead of exempt ranks. In order to cut intelligently and efficiently, it seems, there seems to be the need for an immediate and complete Dept. "personnel audit", i.e., a body count of each and every employee, where they actually work, and what they actually do. If the Dept. can't/won't do it, then bring in an outside firm; do it fast, and make the results public...
Anonymous said...
. . Shitcan the CAPS program - it's done. The Federal money ran out for that years ago. . .
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Did the money really run out? We have been told OT for officers going to CAPS meetings was federal money. That is why inspectors are now going to the meetings heavily and critiquing them. The department wants the silliness of CAPS “to work” so the federal money still comes in.
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they are critiquing then cause its the CITY'S $$$
Okay so who read Mary Mitchell's article this morning (30NOV06)?
I would not piss on this racist cunt if she was on fire. Although I would get much joy from spitting in her face. Yet another article about how evil crackerass honkey police murder inoocent black people.
A note to the Slum-Times, this is why I cancelled my subscription, as have other coppers I know. Keep employing racist hacks that have no talent so they play the race card every day.
That is why you remain a sub-standard newspaper to the Tribune.
The very first priority should be staffing the districts, meaning beat cars and rapids fully! After that go at it with your special task forces and teams etc.. But the district level is our first line and busiest and need the most people. Gosh do we need help there. Every single day in backlogs and always cars down. Just unacceptable in my eyes. Why can't the bosses see this?
I like how Bobby Steel's son who is the heir-apparent, as voters do not get to vote on who takes her place, only worked for five years in the Park Districvts and filed BANKRUPCY in January.
He'll fit in fine with the rest of the Machine criminals in city/county/state politics.
U.S. Attorney Fitzgerald....what are you waiting for?! How much longer to we have to take these slaps in the face?!
OFF TOPIC:
To whomever the SOS/TRU/Sat. guy was in 005 a few days (maybe a week)ago, you're a prick. Here's the story.
Beat 5** was working with a PPO, showing him/her the ropes and whatnot. They get a call of a person with a gun at whatever address. After seeing some guys flee the scene, they give chase and the criminals get away. The FTO was canvassing the area and the PPO spots a gun beneath a vehicle. While trying to get the FTO's attention, some douchebag *special* copper runs up, goes under the car, and runs off with the gun.
Nice pinch, fucker. Hope you shit your bed tonight you number-hungry stroke.
Who will be taking over Cronins spot in Narcotics. Everyone is waiting to see before jumping ship? Hopefully someone with a narc background; unlike Cronin! Signed, Narc says Help!
DEAR SCC, HOORAY, HOORAY, HOORAY!
Best damn plan I've seen in print in over twenty years. I'm gonna implement it ASAP.
Supt. Phillip Kline Esq.
And when I'm dumped soon afterward, I want my son (junior) to take over my spot, with my salary, as has been the case with Bobbie Steele and the Stroger Families. He's more than qualified to move from Sgt. to Supt. in a heartbeat and secret handshake.
P.S. for you younger officers. (The secret handshake was used in the Old Traffic Court 321 N. LaSalle St. by the Old Crony (( Perry Mason type who never lost a case)) Lawyers and Judges. Sometimes even the Officer would get a little handshake).
We had a slew of retired coppers working with us, side by side, at oec, they were also our trainers.
City of Chicago a couple years ago didn't budget them in, and canned them all a week before Christmas a year ago. They brought a few of them back to work the Pod room but at a part time 20 hr basis. It was grand working with those guys and gals. We still have a bakers's dozen officers working the room currently who are also from the old room. Not a bad idea to bring in retired coppers (street experience) ,,,but in the last 10 years we haven't had any new coppers trained in dispatch, so I'm not quite understanding the approach of "teaching us how to really dispatch" when they never dispatched in their career. The old Core Cadre were retired CPd dispatchers, who worked the old room and founded the new room.
021 will never be remapped. The district was designed to protect the "money" i.e. Chinatown and U of C.
Now on the other hand the deuce is dead. Take 007 and combine it with 002, put it all on zone5, let 008 have it's own radio, zone6.
Retired coppers working headquarters is a great idea. The poster was right, you do need to protect yourselves from us civies. It's the city's way of dividing and conquering.
If TRU or other do nothing units are in a district have them answer calls. What is TRU's purpose? There might be 5% of coppers in unit that work rest make fake contact cards. You wont see TRU in hotspots on holidays cause they get to go home with car? What kind of bullshit is that? Someone should keep better tabs on TRU cause when they are supposed to be in district they are rarely seen, where are all the cars? Watch them!!!!!
Where are you hiding in the district? when they are here there are 20-30 cars all over the place stopping everything that moves, makes it hard for us in the district to find anything good, say what you want but they are all over the place, easy to find.
With all due respect, you DO need Inspectors out there. And the reason you need them? District Watch Commanders, Field Lts. and Sergeants are doing a terrible job of (1) looking over their people for appearance sake (correct uniform, clean shaven, ratty looking shirts, jackets, pants, sweaters with multiple holes, shoes with the original black coloring worn off the toes, etc.), and (2) monitoring response time. When the watch supervisors deal with THAT in a more professional manner, then I will second you on dumping the Inspector position. And let's not even talk about the desk crews. I've seen some officers working the desk with 3 or four earrings PER EAR, or sitting behind the desk working while wearing slippers, Bears sweatshirts over their uniforms, and even with earphones listening to ipods. Nothing "professional" about that at all. And let's not even get into the issue of some of the braided hair styles the Dept. has turned a blind eye to, even in PATROL.
For the record if the reason they can't do the paper is because their pen is broke,or the best "we dont carry reports" feel free to ask any one of the 25Th district Beat guys for a pen or reports, we will be more than happy to loan you one, or better yet stay the fuck out of our shit, we didn't need you before and we do not need you now.
Where do you think they came from? 015, 025, 016, 017; when they ask for volunteers sign up and take a break from accidents and domestics, if not quit bitching about people who do, the jealousy about units, sat teams etc is hilarious.
seriously, do spot checks in districts and you'll see an overflow of officers and sgt's working inside. Some of these officers do work, still, I don't see the need for them to work inside when we have just as many civilians working along side them. Better management of manpower is obviously needed. Every day we're in a backlog, still, when you see the over abundance of insiders, it just boggles the mind.
You really want to have civilians doing the desk crew's job? doiing the sheets, a&a's, letting you know if you can have off, and recording your activity?
As far as CAPS. I think they never should have put a name to it. Charles Ramsey and Barbara Mc Donnell said the same thing years ago (1993). We have been doing CAPS related events, services and functions for over 20 years. I know because I have been doing it that long, and then some. We DO need the services CAPS provide. I am a therapist, doctor, lawyer, citizen and cop all at once. What we further do not need is the negative stigmatism CAPS has gained due to the fact that because it was given a label/name, miserable cops and the media have a venue to target. Our Deparatment did CAPS no justice when they tried to refernce it as a negative and assigned the First Deputy to oversee it's success. The 2nd in command in reality oversees everything, no matter how everybody tries to down play his position. That effort was a waste, and I would be happy to have less stress and the same pay. On top of that, he is now in the lime light and has the citizens of Chicago's support, the alderman, the churches, worship institutions, ministers and whoever else. (hint hint) Now, if they really wanted CAPS to succeed, that division would have the resources it needs to do so! I won't go into that. We as patrol officers are tasked daily with addressing social service needs of the communty that we have no control or impact. CAPS workers (from the Mayor's Office) and assigned unit personnel gives us the assistance we need in those areas. I know we as police do not want to think we need help, but we do! Our daily job is based on a number of social issues that youth and adults face. If we addressed many of those issues, guess what, many facets of crime would be decreased. But..... Crime feeds the ecomomy!
Now as far as SOS and TRU, those units were made so bosses could take care of the guys they wanted too, that still wanted to work the street (beat citizens legally), but be taken care of. By the time they eat, get to their assigned district, make an arrest for b.s., do paperwork, it is time to go home. I use to work there so I know. Don't even try it. They then go to those Accountability meetings and shine at the numbers, but have no substance! Also, lets talk about Narcotics while we are at it. The bosses have them spend so much time on the numbers, that they forget about the substance of narcotic investigations. Where is the money? Since we are not allowed to put the time and energy into investigations, the dope boys and their families get to keep all of the assets. We have no time to do an asset trail. Now, we have no dope funds to do the things of substance that we use to have the money to do! Thank you Cronin and Cline.
As far as inside people. I use to be inside when I got hurt. Not my choice, but I had to deal with it. I worked my --- off, and so did a lot of others. I know right now a large number of insiders that work their --- off everyday. I also know a hell of a lot of street police officers especialld that don't do crap. I also know sergeants, lieutenants, captains and even a few commanders that don't do a damn thing. I can name at least 1000 police officers that work on the street that have never done crap, now talk about that one. You know 100's also. Inside people in most cases are held to a higher standard, so leave them alone. You have dog asses in all jobs. The most you will find are in districts and mostly the fast districts because no body else wants to be bothered with them and they do not have enough time to bid into the better districts. When they do, Districts like 22 go to crap. Get some real police out there because the crime is ridiculous. Isn't that where all the police and city workers ran? I know at least 6 bosses that live out there. Do you read the statistics you spent millions of dollars making up? Wake up, that area has gone to shit. I saw it coming and moved west of Midway on purpose. Why don't you talk about that one.
Retired cops need to be dispatchers. That is common sense also Superintendent. I will need a job in about 3 years, I would jump at the chance to help my fellow officers and stay in the rat race.
The last thing I have to say is downtown should not set street policy. That is only common sense. I am not wasting my time to explain.
Signed,
TRUTH
Easiest thing to do, would only take 12 hours to do (with making the new district maps) is to realign the districts. Expand the geographic boundries of the smallest districts. They don't need extra cars. I remember working the westside on afternoons on a sector car. Two extra cars per sector was all we had. No pdts, call the zone on a pay phone for 9-10 jobs. Got lunch, people backed each other up and you raked in court. Are people calling the police more??? I think not, I believe the screening process was much better. A zone worked together. They knew who the regular nut jobs were and shitcanned the calls. Now with the new system, a call taker may have just taken a call to report a person shot in 003 and then have the ODPO call in a suspicious man walking down his street next. The call taker could've grown up in Roseland and someone is trying to relate their location by using cross streets they've never heard of. Call takers should be assigned 1-2 zones, that would help out. Finally, I agree with disbanding gun and sat teams. Take one of the district gang teams and use them for the Area level 2 DOC. Disband SOS, put SWAT into TRU. And do we really need the telephone repair unit???
Shit can tact/gangs. All they do is a 1811 or 2022 and go home. At 2300 hrs last night 017 had a homicide and there were NO tact/gang cars at the scene or touring the area for offenders. Looked in the radio room later and there were an awful lot of short stem radios in there.
i know that there are two officers in IAD with less than five years...more than two years...but they are not investigators, so don't worry. one is a computer hack and the other is eye candy for the Lt.
Talk about worthless personnel...I was in 012 the other night on an arrest and was at the dask on 3rd watch...what a fucking joke that is...they have 5...yes FIVE desk people working there including a Sgt who was having a "bad day" their desk crew was doing crossword puzzles and watching tv...a citizen came in and wanted to make an accident report and was told by some brown hair female desk "officer" to and I will quote her...."Go and find the person you had an accident with and come back with them,then you get a report" What the fuck!!! The guy came in on his own time to make a report and was told to leave....thats bullshit. The desk Sgt. did NOTHING and the "Officer " who said this went right back to her crossword puzzle and said "Fuck him...I'm not doing an accident report for some cabbie who can't even speak English,let him come back later or go somewhere else"...what a great service....useless...from what I recall ...there is such a thing as a one person report right?? I guess the 12th. district desk crew is just too overworked doing puzzles and watching tv....Is there supposed to be a tv behind the desk??? Inspector should stop in and see this curcis....
TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM
ELECT RUDY GUILIANI AS MAYOR,
APPOINT BRATTON TO SUPT.
ELIMINATE THE CAPS PROGRAMS AND FIRE ALL THE DOING NOTHING POLITICALLY CONNECTED P.O
Get rid of asshole bosses make them answer jobs!
Anonymous said...
I totally feel the 2 and 3 year wounders behind the desk is fucking wrong!!! Take 011 3rd watch that entire staff does not have 3 yrs. The acting desk sgt, some short fat f/2 P.O. with less than 3 yrs walks around there like she has been fighting crime and cheating death for 20 years!!! She needs to put in her place, and soon.
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Come on now, any one on the job should know how to handle these issues if legit, contract book. If the Commander has not properly opened the bidding positions on the desk valid issue, not an uncommon mgmt. tactic.
BIDS - Desk, and Review officers, positions awarded by seniority aka bid. Article 23.9 aka article 23 section 9, begins on page 65. Spot equals $$$$$$.
SEISER STILL RUNS IT
MOVE CAPS TO THE AREAS?
What, are you nuts. Why in the hell would the Areas want those socilist assholes. We have enough shitheads with the new-breed dets. who are nothing but computer geeks. Not many could find their ass with both hands. If the districts don't want CAPS then send them to Chicago Heights or something. We have enough useless clowns.
Why is SCC so afraid to post blogs about SCDick ? Viewers are down ?
regarding Chicago RE:
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The last time I checked, two years ago, there were only 35,000 total city employees. That's a drop in the bucket to a city of over 3 million. Residence is not a monetary issue. Check it out yourself.
Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:41:07 PM
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Drive around Area 3 some. Look at all the condos and 3 flats that used to be a sigle family residence (SFR).
Are you aware that new construction is taxed at the SALES price?
So you USED to have a SFR at 3733 N. Racine assessed and taxed at $240,000 (being generous) generating $3,840 a year in property taxes.
Now, there are 3 $300,000 (under stating) condos on the same lot. Each of the three bringing in $4,800 for a total of $14,400 for that one lot alone!
That's an increase of more than $10,000 a year for the same lot! Can you see who the new tax base is???
Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:34:43 PM
TRU is becoming SOS
CS is having a f*ckin' what ? Benefit ? Get the f*ck outta here. I don't remember him calling me and offering me any of the divy. Better stay away from that area Im sure there will be a traffic jam trying to get into the place.
THE REASON THERE ARE 2 OR 3 YEAR WONDERS ON THE DESK IS BECAUSE NOBODY WITH ANY TIME WANTS TO DO THE JOB!!!! THEY RATHER RIDE THE BEAT CAR DOING NOTHING OUTSIDE ON THE STREET. SO IN REALITY WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. LAST TIME I CHECKED NOBODY BITCHED ABOUT WANTTING TO WORK THE DESK IN ANY DISTRICT. THERE ARE PLENTY OF BEAT CARS THAT DONT DO SHIT ON STREET, YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE. HANGING OUT AT THE LIQUOR STORES OR HIDDING IN THE PARKS, TAKING TIME ON THE END. AT THE DESK YOU REALLY DONT HAVE A CHOICE 90% OF THE TIME YOU ACTUALY HELP OUT CITIZENS AND DO MORE POLICE REPORTS THATN MOST PEOPLE DO IN A WEEK IN THE BEAT CAR.
GEWT RID OF CAPS OFFICE. GET RID OF TRU AND SOS. WHO HOLDS THEM ACCOUNTABLE?
Please don't say inside people are held to a higher standard. That's not true. They kiss ass more because they're around the bosses more. Few of them work a full 8 hour tour. Walk past an office in a district on a Saturday or Sunday at 1400 hours and how many inside people are there until 1600 like they're supposed to be? They leave early on a constant basis. The people who have it the worst are us beat officers who are held accountable for our time and are tied to the radio. We very rarely get plays anymore.
Damn good comments SCC---I'm mulling over all the possibilities and will re-post later. One comment to the officer talking about females not doing searches on the street............hell, females on the desk won't even do searches...I speak from experience. The saddest part is that the desk sgt. won't intervene because he/she has NO BALLS to order the job done! It's a pretty sad state of affairs the dept. has backed itself into.
Get rid of three of four lazy broads behind each dsitrict desk, a few lazy asses from the Commanders Office, a few from CAPS, a bunch from TRU/SOS and a TON from H/Q.
There is a thousand coppers there. Viaollah!
There are over 50 exemt members in the department. All of them should have to work as "Street Deputy" in turn on a 12 hour shift. That would mean that they would work it only once every month or so.
Abolish the inspectors and the street deputies and you would elimate upwards of 15 positions that pay $100,000 per year release 5 drivers back to the street and also eliminate the need for all those take home cars. This would be a huge saving with no cost at all. The exempts are already required to work the street on a weekly basis so the street deputy position could be done by them while working the street.
do we need captains AND lieutenants AND commanders?
Years ago Captains ran districts
Lts ran the watches
Why do we need tach lts?
The field LT and WC can do what he does
Look at the rogues gallery on the south wall of the police academy just west of the duty desk
Disgusting waste of manpower
Close 023, and combine them w/019?
I can see those beefs in the locker room now! The 023 guys wont need to take lunch; they're going to eat those 019 slugs before roll call!! At least you wont hear no more "squad, I just sat down for lunch, give IT to someone else" Is that going on anywhere else in this city?
11/30/2006 10:11:02 AM
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN SAY?
The easiest thing to do would be, for the supervisors to actually come down on dog ass coppers, who take 40 minutes per burglar alarms, or an hour for a simple battery with unk offender. If more people were actually required to work for a living it would make everyones job easier.
Another thing is find and separate all these medical roll abusers and hire some people who want to work. I for a fact know of 1 person who started off medical in May for the flu. He's still on medical now facing the "complications" from that horrific sickness, what a joke.
Why is SCC so afraid to post blogs about SCDick ? Viewers are down ?
Actually, viewers are up. Way up. We did 13,000 page views in one day with the photosshopped madness.
We aren't afraid of SCD. There's plenty of room for everyone and we've advocated a SCLt, SCCmdr, SCDepChief and so on. The comments you have made are mostly put downs of our site, our readers, and our policies - in other words, they have nothing to do with the discussion at hand, so they get tossed. Just the way it is friend.
OK, I do read this blog. As a matter of fact, I read it to my kids as their bedtime story hour. They keep asking me, daddy, when can we meet our uncle Phil. I tell them this Christmas day he might stop by, but you have to be good and hope daddy doesn't get dumped out of his "specialized super duper secret unit".
OK daddy, we'll say a prayer for you and uncle Phil.
Hey Maloy, bring back the Santa outfit, Phil needs it next.
Hey SCC. I have an Idea. Take my district. We have 4 PO's working in the commanders office. We have 2 PO's working in
the tact office. We ahve 6 PO's working in commnuity realtions. 2 PO's working in the review office. 1 PO is the time
keeper. 1 PO running around the station as the "computer guy". 5 PO's working foot posts in the district. 4 PO's on
the desk on each watch. 6 PO's riding bikes around the district. That 25 trained PO's. Most working inside sitting on thier
"buTTs" writing out or filing paperwork. 25 PO's X 25 districts = 625 officers. We haven't even touched the PO's working
in the units or headquaters. How many more PO's will we find in those places. Hire some of those people that are
clout heavy on Duty Disability to file or write paperwork and get the trained PO's back on the streets. The last thing
the departemnt needs is 65,000 dollar a year secretaries.
Here's an idea:
Start to utilize the Sheriff's Police for more stuff. Phil's experiment this summer with the roadsides shows that the County Policemen work hard, get results, and they played well in our sandbox. It was a crap detail, and they did it without a single complaint.
They have a fugitive warrants unit. Give them ALL warrants to chase down. They have a vice unit. Give them ALL the vice pinches. The aldercreatures are talking traffic enforcement? No problem, give them LSD and some major throughfares for starters. ANY investigation that take city police out of the city should be immediately sent to the County Police Department. For that matter, turn them loose in Englewood. We couldn't make any inroads, maybe they can.
We can free up hundreds of coppers for other stuff.
Beat car in 011 observes a drive by, vehicle is chased, vehicle comes to a stop, offenders flee shedding clothing. Gun observed in car by 011 gun correctly pereserved for FSD, TRU finds coat. Picks up coat, shakes out coat, continues to fuck up evidence, puts coat back where he finds it, 011 is forced to guard coat. Many in TRU dont have a clue. Does one FTO still ride with a van load of PPOs ?? How fucked up was that.
SINCE ALL AREAS ARE CONSIDERED ONE UNIT FOR BIDS AND DETAILS MAKE IT ONE UNIT THAT MEANS 1 LT 1 SGT PER WATCH 1 DESK PERSON 1 TIME KEEPER. YOU WALK INTO AN AREA YOU HAVE 8 DETECTIVES ANSWEREING PHONES FOR SVU,RBT,YOUTHAND THE SPECIAL DESK WHATEVER THE HELL THAT MEANS.
whyy should tack teams never get assignments?
And they should be in uniform
and uniformed cars on a day to day basis unless theyre on something special, and only with the approval of the W/C
025:
Front Office- 6 P.O.'s (1) with less than 3 years
Review- 3 P.O.'s different watches
Timekeeping and citations- (2)
CAPS - at least 8, but they are all useless anyway. Keep them inside they are a liability otherwise. Except SC.
Desk - 4 per watch + 1 secretary.
WOW.
1123 sounds very jealous..who cares about getting a gun..big fucking deal..you can buy a gun leagally in the store.. go get a burglar, rapist child stalker...thats a good pinch....
what really makes me laugh are the guys who left TRU to go To $O$,what a dumb move sorry for the dollar signs but thats what it should look like
yes there are 3yr wonders working behind the desk, and the post is true not a lot of people want to do it. if you believe it is so easy do it more than once, try it for a period. there are to many working the desk in some places but remember we need some hiding spots. we have officers who are injured, have cancer, other problems, who can't work the street and are out of medical time due to legit problems. yes they are being taken care of but in a good way by a good boss. this may not be the norm but we don't want to lose some of those precious spots.
inspectors, believe it or not do serve a purpose because some supervisors are being afraid of being disliked so they will not do anything about no city stickers, earrings, late to jobs. these supervisors seem to realized they are hurting the good coppers. BUT why do inspectors have to be Lt's? they are given an exempt badge so they can overrule w/c's, but when was the last time you saw a lt or capt written up? the inspector fears political retribution so they tend to leave those ranks alone. let any rank do the job, make it biddable,preferably someone who is in the KMA club, they will have enough experience, hopefully, to handle the job without the worry or political retaliaton.
I HAVE WORKED ON MANY TACT TEAMS INCLUDING ONE CURRENTLY. WE HAVE A GOOD SARGE....ONE AND WE ARE DONE. THAT IS WHY THERE ARE NO TACT TEAMS LATE AT NIGHT WE ARE ALL AT HOME. WE ARE THE ONES OUT THERE LOCKING PEOPLE UP, SO WE SHOULD GET SOME PERKS. AND IF YOU GET A GUN, THAT AS GOOD AS A FREE DAY OFF!
SCC and fellow brothers and sisters in blue- as usual, you pose some mighty interesting solutions to the current dilemma facing the CPD. That being said, all of this talk is just that, talk. Changes will never be made, this job will never make it out of the 1950's mentality, because IMHO the city powers don't want it to. Keep us blue shirts disgusted, and confused, paranoid, keep us working our arses off to pay for over priced houses, and tuitions, and mostly keep us in the dark about what's going on because we're stupid and the scapegoats for every bad boss's decision made. We can talk until our faces match our shirts and NO ONE CARES!! Do you think that any boss reading this blog will say, "Why, that's a great idea, let's implement it, by golly those PO's have some great ideas" Heck no, they are too busy taking care of themselves and those they are told to take care of. We'd be much better off to forget common sense, it's been proven to have no relevance in the Police Dept. Thank God if you have a good partner, and a Sgt. that isn't too much of a idiot, and that you go home safe each night.
And the woman bashing...come on, this job has been f'd up for years...how many drunks slept in the lock up night after night, and who did their work? Yes, there are "dollies" of both sexes, but whose fault is that? When the Dept. went to straight shifts, all the comaradiere (sp) went with it, years ago, not too many got straight days now the whiners get what they want rather than telling them to "get some time on the job"...and yes, there are way too many inside people, not only in districts, but in Units as well, and they are so hidden you'd need the Ghost Whisperer to find them!
Why do we need district commanders?? They only work days and you have a captain on each watch, so really what does a commander do to earn his/her pay?? I say eliminate the rank of DC and that 25 X $100,000. Plus that would eliminate a company car, 25X $30,000,fuel,maintance,insuance,etc.. Do the math boys, that money in turn can be used to hire more police. You already have a Area Dep. let him/her earn their pay by managing the district in their area. If I was in charge I would start chopping from the top on down!!! To many chiefs and not enough indians!!!!!!
ENOUGH with the Bobby Steele and the Stroger's.
You guys seem to forget that the Lipinski's, the Madigans, and the Hynes started this shit.
What's good for the geast is good for the gander.
Com'on now!!!
I have some news for you guys and gals that have never worked in the corporate world before becoming the police. They are trying to do more with less. Its called downsizing. The only problem is that it is blowing up in their face! If the police department was a business it would have already went bankrupt and started liquidating and remanaging its staff to save its skin. The problem is no one wants to take the blame in this political game, so the downfall continues. If the department continues on this path it will be impossible to return to the type of service the public expects. The mayor and cpd brass better wake up because no one wants this job anymore. The Fop is giving stats that 50 p/o's are retiring a month and I bet that a larger and larger group of those retirees are with only 20 years. No one wants this job anymore and people aren’t sticking around for the extra 25% pension because it isn't worth it.
P/o's are starting to realize that 10 or 15 years hard work invested in the civilian job marked would have led to promotions and the same pay scale as cpd plus benefits that would be similar. OH yeah and normal work hours which equals more time with the family. CPD at its current course is just not appealing to any rational person, you want an example just turn on any news channel, the way that they bash and berate the police without any type of response from CPD or the FOP is almost like a "Don't Do Drugs" ad about the CPD.: “Don’t be the police” Everyone I talk to on this job is looking to get out or retire early. So unless all the clout bosses plan on hitting the streets and answering calls they better start thinking about how to make the job more appealing to current p/o's and prospective p/o's.
Desk spots should be for the coppers with 20+ years on. A good break after putting all those years out on the street plus they are more knowledgable than the 2 year wonders and will be more experienced and helpful with calls, walk ins, reports and assisting other p.o.'s...
Man oh man. Somebody on this site sure hates tru. Sounds like it's somebody that worked there and got dumped for being a fuck up, a dawg or maybe both. Sounds like this person has made it his mission in life to bad mouth tru, make up lies and dis every worker over there.
I know several tru cops. They tell me tru has been weeding out the dummies and the dawgs since day one. My buddies might only have 5 years on, but they are out there working hard each and every night. Give it a rest already. Stop hating on the tru unit and take a deep breath. It sounds like you're miserable wherever you ended up. Maybe your not cut out for being the police. Go fill out an application for UPS or maybe a porter at your local car dealership might be up your alley.
Talk about worthless personnel...I was in 012 the other night on an arrest and was at the dask on 3rd watch...what a fucking joke that is...they have 5...yes FIVE desk people working there including a Sgt who was having a "bad day" their desk crew was doing crossword puzzles and watching tv...You should have stuck around for feeding time....usually every two hours.It's a sight to see.
This departent is too top heavy. Get rid of the deputy chief rank. Get rid of the ADS rank. Let the commanders be the street deputies, if we need them. That right there is over a million dollars in savings. That will not fly though because these spots were created to give politically connected people a place to hide. Do we really need a special functions section, why not just let personell handle those things.
When cuts are to be made in order to make things run in a more efficient manner, the first thing this department needs to do is revamp the chain of command.
Get rid of the inspectors, they serve no useful purpose other than bring a department who's morale is already low down even more. The redundantcy on this department is insane.
Get some bosses who will make decisions and stick to them. This job is about making snap decisions, I want the people I work for to understand that.
While we are at it, since the rank of captain is back get of the district commander.
you forgot the most important thing... lift the living requirement
oh btw TRU = TOTALLY RETARDED UNIT
Anonymous said...
yes there are 3yr wonders working behind the desk, and the post is true not a lot of people want to do it. if you believe it is so easy do it more than once, try it for a period. there are to many working the desk in some places but remember we need some hiding spots. we have officers who are injured, have cancer, other problems, who can't work the street and are out of medical time due to legit problems. 11/30/2006 10:09:42 PM
O.K. Clown, that would technically make them limited duty! Or are they being carried full duty and their actually not and then hidden or are they limited duty then being hidden. 311 and select units are where they would be or are said and suppose to be. The understanding and claim is. Their not suppose to be in any District and certain units and hidden via efforts of Mgmt. circumventing the contract.
Further point! No it's not O.K. for Mgmt. to circumvent a contract period, just because the boss is a nice guy and B.S. about it being so hard on the desk. Why else are they really sitting on the desk in a cool/warm office and not out wrestling on the streets with only 2-3 yrs on and to top it, a boss is helping to hide them, lol. There are past lawsuits like this. Here we have, the benefits of being really limited duty and being protected as a full duty with limited duty protection. Sounds like a potential Class Action suit to me and an audit. No Medical time, then its Disability or FMLA, rough but a reality. It's not an option for a boss and a worker to cover up missing non avail sick days. That's called theft aka Ghost Pay-rolling.
Nor is there any excuse for someone with only 3 yrs. receiving Dsk Sgt.
(out of grade pay.) Especially, when there are senior Officers who should require the position up for bid and the extra cash into their pockets and Pension. Any truth to this clowns claim that some of you are missing screws? Principle alone should be enough since some of you are being made to appear not to care about the extra Sgts pay or your pension. I'm only saying this because some nitwit is having fun typing it. Odd, but it would then appear the 2-3 yearlings are being made to appear smarter. Now that's amusing!
Apparently logic and maturity goes a long way. Looks like someone is playing with CPD and has not graduated PreSchool and is still in need of naps. I must be a dying breed. Tell ya, stories like these makes one feel old! Thanks for the laugh. Stay Safe and have fun ranting away.
You forgot take the stupid cameras (that are for IVC stops) and put them in traffic cars city wide as opposed to 2 districts!!!
Like cameras in 5 and 16 help anyone???
IF THEY ARE FOR IVC STOPS THEN GIVE THEM TO UNITS OR CARS OR BEATS THAT DO PRIMARILY IVC STOPS!
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MEMO to 11/30/2006 11:04:59 PM
Read the papers asshole. Each time one of these families installed thier young uns in their positions there was plenty of outrage directed at them. I guess you just want the typical BE to apply here. In case you don't know BE stands for Black Exception. That means anyone "of color" can do whatever the fuck the want and get away with it because their great grandmamas cousin on her daddys side was related to a slave. GET OVER IT - TAKE THE CHIP OFF YOUR SHOULDER AND DO SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR SOCIETY!!!!
speaking of 3 year wonders the media relations chicky who got caught with a hanficapped placard, how much time does she have ?
"Anonymous said...
SINCE ALL AREAS ARE CONSIDERED ONE UNIT FOR BIDS AND DETAILS MAKE IT ONE UNIT THAT MEANS 1 LT 1 SGT PER WATCH 1 DESK PERSON 1 TIME KEEPER. YOU WALK INTO AN AREA YOU HAVE 8 DETECTIVES ANSWEREING PHONES FOR SVU,RBT,YOUTHAND THE SPECIAL DESK WHATEVER THE HELL THAT MEANS.
11/30/2006 09:33:13 PM"
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA, then you would complain that noone answers the phone when you call. Those phones are constantly ringing, especially the SVU phone. I will tell you that the desk in the area requires more than one person day to day. If you did not have more than one, the phones would drive you mad because you would be on the phone with one, and others would be ringing, ringing, ringing.
Where are you hiding in the district? when they are here there are 20-30 cars all over the place stopping everything that moves, makes it hard for us in the district to find anything good, say what you want but they are all over the place, easy to find.
I would love to see TRU in my district. 016. There is shit here it just isn't out on all watches. I came from a busy district where SOS was on every hot job. Now, it's just us. Minus our gang teams, and tact teams. (Not that we want them around because unlike most districts it certainly isn't made up of the best of the best) We are covering 32 square miles with absolutely NO manpower. It sucks and isn't safe when your assist is coming from 40 blocks away. I decided to work where I live so that I can protect my own shit. Why is it TRU and SOS NEVER come to 016? It would be a nice show of force to swarm these asshole gangbangers every once in a while. I have been here for 7 years and haven't seen them working once. You only see them at VCG or J&G getting uniforms.
The department has all these resources but not all districts get to utilize them. Not right if you ask me.
Anonymous said...
ENOUGH with the Bobby Steele and the Stroger's.
You guys seem to forget that the Lipinski's, the Madigans, and the Hynes started this shit.
What's good for the geast is good for the gander.
Com'on now!!!
11/30/2006 11:04:59 PM
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The difference is that Steele and Toddler are rubbing our (YOUR) face in it.
HEY, SCC...
KEEP THESE COMMENTS TO A PARAGRAPH. SOME OF THESE COMMENTS ARE TOO LONG. THESE GUYS SHOULD WRITE A BOOK INSTEAD.
I would love to see TRU in my district. 016. There is shit here it just isn't out on all watches. I came from a busy district where SOS was on every hot job. Now, it's just us. Minus our gang teams, and tact teams. (Not that we want them around because unlike most districts it certainly isn't made up of the best of the best) We are covering 32 square miles with absolutely NO manpower. It sucks and isn't safe when your assist is coming from 40 blocks away. I decided to work where I live so that I can protect my own shit. Why is it TRU and SOS NEVER come to 016? It would be a nice show of force to swarm these asshole gangbangers every once in a while. I have been here for 7 years and haven't seen them working once. You only see them at VCG or J&G getting uniforms.
The department has all these resources but not all districts get to utilize them. Not right if you ask me.
We would love to go to 016, or 019, 020, 024, once in a while but the DOC won't send us there, us and SOS only get send to the Level 2, they can't justify us going there, there isn't anywhere near the violence of the rest of this cesspool of a city, 015, 011, 004, 005, 007, 008,009 is where we are sent most often.
That girl from media relations getting the ticket was very funny. Some of us recognized here with the picture in the first article, then the article the next day revealed that she was the police. She never told the Secretary of State police she was a copper, probably would have got her out of this whole mess. She has about 5 years on the job.
We would love to bring TRU to 016. There are alot of people from TRU that live in 016. My guess is that it will never happen. You would think that with all the bosses that live in 022 and 016 that they would deploy TRU to there neighborhoods one day a month to clean things up a bit. The extra manpower in these areas would certainly be a reward for all the property taxes that are paid in these areas. Don't we deserve some police presence also?
Acting desk Sgt., that is such a joke. Somebody needs to tell a certain f/1 on midnights in 015 that "acting" doesnt really mean she is a sgt.
tru = Totally Rockn Unit. to anonymous - your retarded. get a life already. enough of you complaining and crying about tru. let me guess you filled out an application and they turned your retarded ass down. poor baby - maybe next time - nottttttt!
TRU in 016 comment. Hey, i would love to come to your district and clean house. Especially all those lil asshole want to be gang bangers that are loitering, drinking, playing their sounds or whipn their lil peckers out on Coppers Blocks. But the dept has really really smart desk jockies down at headquarters and assigned to the D.O.C. that do their critical decision making everyday which dictates where tru gets put every night. Most of the time it makes NO sense to us. Lets say you have an operation "just cause", or a specific gang in a specific area fight the police, threatend the police, shot or shot at the police. You think we would get sent there right, wrong. Hardly ever happens.
Seems like we get sent to a district - We make tons of arrests not to mention reduce the violent crime and calls for service but all we get is flack. The desk crew and lock-up now hates us because now they have to do something. The district guys hate us cause we fill all the interview rooms and processing areas with arrests.
If all these districts bitch n moan about tru being there. I'll be glad to work in another district that needs help. Talk to your district commander and voice your concerns. Tell him you dont want or need tru's help. He or she will probably turn around and tell you different. We're there because crime not to mention violent crime is out of control. Instead of bitchn about tru, how about workn with us. I can't figure some people out. Usually people bitch about all the dog asses on this job. With tru, its just the opposite. People bitchn about coppers coming to their districts and doing police work. ???
Why is it TRU and SOS NEVER come to 016? It would be a nice show of force to swarm these asshole gangbangers every once in a while. I have been here for 7 years and haven't seen them working once
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RESPONSE: come on lets be realistic! half of the police dept lives there including lots of bosses. Dont you think if it was that bad we would of been there already. It would be nice for a change instead of 7,15,5,and 25. Sorry, but we dont make them choices. thats like us going to the westside of 22.
After reviewing all of the comments in your blogs posted over the last few days having replies of 75+. Your problem has nothing to do with your acronym units, districts or caps. You do need more people to hire. Your district boundaries should be reconsidered. Above all, their needs to be less complaining about the have and have not on your work force. It's the same in any government or municipal environments around the world. Some key points to a few disgruntle posters; focus on your duties and less on the others. No one forced you to take this career. "When nobody around you seems to measure up, it's time to check your yardstick." Para-military organisations such as yours need to zero in on camaraderie, for your own psyche and safe well being against the general population, whom do not understand your stress of your chosen profession. Remember, "It is only the intellectually lost who ever argue."
"When nobody around you seems to measure up, it's time to check your yardstick." Para-military organisations"
maybe you should forget the advice and check your spelling. o-r-g-a-n-i-z-a-t-i-o-n-s
To 12/01/06 3:55:39 pm.
You apparently do not work for CPD. There are cops out there who are beat cops for 20 plus years busting their asses in the districts. Then you have the 2-3 year wonders who are in do nothing units but filling out contact cards and making traffic stops. They wouldn't know what an on-view arrest was if it bit them in the ass. Then you have the just plain worthless asses who go from their training to an office or the desk, and then to 35th street until they make meritorious sgt, then lt, then exempt. Comaraderie when you are running your ass off in a beat car for 8 hours every day because we have all these people in specialized do nothing units and people working do nothing inside jobs is easier said than done. Disband TRU, SOS, Mass Transit, the Airport Unit, CAPS and cut the amount of people with inside jobs by at least 50 percent and then maybe there will be some kind of comaraderie. Until then there is going to be ill feelings by the working beat cops, who have every right to be pissed off. And by the way I am a detective, but I still know the heart and soul of this department are the cops working the beat and they are overworked, undermanned and under appreciated.
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11/30/2006 09:28:21 PM
Those are great ideas. Here's another, have county do it all.
Then they can get rid of all of us.
That's it! Great idea!
Where can I who do I call for a county job.
to 03:07:49 AM you make some valid points, unfortunately it seems the norm on this site is to be a jagoff when responding to someones opinion, but that is ok thanks to the 1st Amendment. You want to do an audit or a class action lawsuit for some officers that may be hidden due to severe medical needs, way to take care of your fellow police officers. Sorry you are not getting everything on this job that you feel you are entitled to, but join the majority of the rest of us.
Again I stand on my comments about the desk, try it for awhile, or maybe ask some of the officers with more than 20 yrs why they don't work it in your district. Maybe it is bullshit where you are, but all that means is that your probably in a cush district. Regardless Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.
Too top heavy? That's an understatement. Have you seen who's on top. Here's an idea get rid of everyone below PHIL b/c he doesn't let them make any decisions anyway. He's the worst micromanager. In his PHAT world he is the only one capable of making any decisions. PLEASE LEAVE WITH CRONIN! We will try to piece the department back to normal when you leave.
Please don't say this is a cat fight, but I just want to make a point being a 3 year SCC fan. We need to stick together and work as a team instead of constantly being divided by who is who's friend, who your friend does not like compared to who you would like to like, race and beauty. I date all races, so I am not prejudice or a hater in any way. I am under 30 so I can still experiment. Why do you all hate on the pretty policewomen so much. Why do we have to be hard, ugly, not comb our hair or look decent at work to be the real police. Why can't I come to work looking and smelling good? I hear so much bull about me when I had never fucked any big boss until now, nor knowingly fucked anybodies man on this job. I just got with one boss (who is divorced and just loves my pretty green eyes) who happened to mention to me that he heard from a P.O. who works at the Academy who does not even know me other than when I was a recruit, who told him that I screw around with everyone. As far as I know from what I heard and I have to admit that I did not see this for myself, this over 40 want to be young, jealous because she aint got it, never had a husband, never even had a man ask her to marry them let alone be their in the daytime girlfriend, always in debt and will work for pennies, is on prescription drugs , been psyched by this job for mental instability, screwed every boss or P.O. that she thought could do something for her and tried to trap a Lieutenant by saying she was pregnant when she can't even have kids. Grow up and leave me alone. By the way, though you tried to hate, I did get with him and he told me all about everything you want to stay a secret, so keep it up. Men say the damnist things in bed. By the way, get a car that is for your age group.
hey! 12/01/2006 05:22:55 PM
hey detective...you could not catch a cold so relax with your hard dog ass position as well. with all your open cases. HA!
half the dics now have like 5 years on as well. So sit down yourself tootse!
Anonymous said...
to 03:07:49 AM you make some valid points, unfortunately it seems the norm on this site is to be a jagoff when responding to someones opinion, but that is ok thanks to the 1st Amendment. You want to do an audit or a class action lawsuit for some officers that may be hidden due to severe medical needs, way to take care of your fellow police officers. Sorry you are not getting everything on this job that you feel you are entitled to, but join the majority of the rest of us.
Again I stand on my comments about the desk, try it for awhile, or maybe ask some of the officers with more than 20 yrs why they don't work it in your district. Maybe it is bullshit where you are, but all that means is that your probably in a cush district. Regardless Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.
12/01/2006 06:50:39 PM
Yer talkin to KMA, so listen up! How are those being covered lookin out for their fellow Officer's, it's suppose to be a two way street! Here lies the problem. Young ones wet behind the ears seem to keep failing to understand what stand up really means, nor do many give a rats ass about seniority rights and respect. So don't think you can jam that line in on a KMA. Been around the block too many times for the backward stretch twist. Whats so bad about the locations their suppose to be in? If the limited duty locations are just fine for the rest of the sick. Why is it such a hardship for the few no timers? Try this on for size, For the Good of the Order. Look I have seen plenty of hardship in my time, here are a few 28 yr Officer with Cancer removed from their spot because the dept. states "You can only be in a limited duty unit." They too had a good boss but it didn't matter, rules are rules. I have seen lawsuits, Officer's in Wheel Chairs court ordered back to work, the law is the law, etc. I know of Officer's that were put on Disability as well and I damn well knew senior Officer's that died after being bumped out of spots, rules again. That's from eyes, ears and years on the job. Posters get on this blog all the time talking about what's wrong with the dept. The way I see it, if so many others with years on can be moved why not the Golden young. I would rather see the opportunity go to a senior officer as opposed to some one who has not earned their time. The dept. needs to open up those spots for bid or take the heat. Sick or not if hiding and covering is being told to everyone else it's wrong, then it's wrong for all. So twist it any way you like fair is fair! It's only Dec 01 but I wish Happy Holidays to you and yours and I hope you made that call for your credit monitoring. Now Stay Safe.
Lots of nasty comments about the 12th district - so let me add a few more - you think the desk is bad - try reaching the time keeper in 12 - or how about taking a look at the caps office - a lieutenant, a sergeant and three or four police officers - think any of them work more than three hours in a day? Weekends in the Commanders office - yes, someone should be there at all times - too bad its not true. Did you know the commander had a guy (p.o.) whose sole job is to keep up the bulletin boards? There is no morale to speak of and just about everyone is a back stabber. As one of the many, many foot p.o.'s - if you can find them!!
Anonymous said...
Acting desk Sgt., that is such a joke. Somebody needs to tell a certain f/1 on midnights in 015 that "acting" doesnt really mean she is a sgt.
12/01/2006 12:19:51 PM
If she's acting on the desk she is and is getting the out of pay grade to prove it.
The difference is that Steele and Toddler are rubbing our (YOUR) face in it.
12/01/2006 08:41:52 AM
Actually with the Steel and the toodster Hynes is hand in hand.
19th Ward Rugai brought the tot into one of their grammar schools just prior to the election and three times he mispronounced Clissold. Rugai takes marching orders from Hynes there's your link. Thank Hynes and his machine tool minions!
Anonymous said...
HEY, SCC...
KEEP THESE COMMENTS TO A PARAGRAPH. SOME OF THESE COMMENTS ARE TOO LONG. THESE GUYS SHOULD WRITE A BOOK INSTEAD.
12/01/2006 08:56:29 AM
Here's your paragraph. Maybe when you cease yelling it will happen and we know from your posts that's never going to happen.
Lots of nasty comments about the 12th district - so let me add a few more - you think the desk is bad - try reaching the time keeper in 12 - or how about taking a look at the caps office - a lieutenant, a sergeant and three or four police officers - think any of them work more than three hours in a day? Weekends in the Commanders office - yes, someone should be there at all times - too bad its not true. Did you know the commander had a guy (p.o.) whose sole job is to keep up the bulletin boards? There is no morale to speak of and just about everyone is a back stabber. As one of the many, many foot p.o.'s - if you can find them!!
12/01/2006 11:41:15 PM
Sodini has clout and could do whatever he wants connected to daley where are the feds when we need them, lets look at "MERIT" pay $$$$$ you get promoted!
Who is the copper parked everyday by the school at 52nd and south mcvicker picking up his kid everyday in a canine airport expedition? What an asshat! parks wrong way stands out like he is king! clout rules i guess again!
hey! 12/01/2006 05:22:55 PM
hey detective...you could not catch a cold so relax with your hard dog ass position as well. with all your open cases. HA!
half the dics now have like 5 years on as well. So sit down yourself tootse!
FYI I have 20 years on and was a beat cop until 5 years ago after finally taking the dics exam (I was not promoted by merit). My cases are solved and I still work as I did when I was on the street. Are you just pissed because you are one of the 2-3 wonders in TRU or inside. When you get your merit promotion you probably will have never filled out a Felony 101 like so many of the wonders the detective division get now. Then they want to work HSG and will never have a clue how to solve a case. I may be a dic but I still believe patrol is the hardest working unit of this department.
to 12/01/2006 05:07:59 PM
Just so you know, the person above you did spell the word correct. It can be with the letter z or s. Im glad you paid attention in english class.
for those of you complaining about 012 - all the hidden people combined couldn't equal the man-hours riley and golazinski put in.
Wellll, if you spell it "organisation" in the "word" program, it auto corrects it. Also, I discovered spelling it with an "s" is the Brittish variant of spelling it with a "z", just so you know Raymond. lol. God life is good if this is our only problem, have a good holiday.
Sodini has clout and could do whatever he wants connected to daley where are the feds when we need them, lets look at "MERIT" pay $$$$$ you get promoted!
He's a Commander of course he has clout or he wouldn't be there, he's been there quite awhile, he may be at the end of his rope..
Well if you think the 012 district CAPS office is bad you should slide by ten. They have a Charoo inpersonator their who belives she is intelligent but couldn't right a CDPT report without help. Then the rest of the CRAPS crew disappears for most of the day saying they are at CRAPS meeting.
Mark my words give the office a call and ask for any of the officer assighned they will tell you their at meetings.
Nobody has mentioned the training academy. There's a whole passle of useless individuals there. I like the idea of hiring retirees to teach. You could get beat guys to teach patroling, traffic guys to teach traffic investigations, dicks to teach crime scene/interviews/interrogations/report writing stuff, ETs or crime lab guys to teach evidence stuff. Point is each could teach their specialty and really give the recruits a chance to learn something besides the empty holsters war storries about their life on the streets. But, alas poor Horatio, we shall never see that happen because it would force a lot of females back onto the streets and create a competition for the inside jobs.
THE TRAINING DIVISION IS A FUCKING JOKE, I KNOW I WORKED THERE. WE JUST HAD A FUCKING RECRUIT SHOOT PAST HIS INSTRUCTORS HEAD IN THE HALLWAY WHILE DOING A WEAPONS INSPECTION. FROM WHAT I HEAR HE WILL NOT EVEN BE SPARRED, LET ALONE FIRED. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT BULLSHIT
You are right on SCC. Eliminate a lot of waste, and start at the top with the fat man wearing the stars on his epilets.
012 dist is a fucking joke....they have 5 people working the desk there and chase citizens away who come in for reports and tell them to go to another station to make the report...They watch TV, read magazines and do challenging crossword puzzles for $60k a year!! Where's the Commander of this Circus?? better yet...where are the inspectors??
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