Monday, December 18, 2006

"Hundreds" of Guns Collected

Kind of a step backwards from the "thousands" or so collected other times they run this event.
  • Hundreds of firearms, including some deadly assault weapons, were swapped for credit cards Saturday during Chicago's second citywide gun trade-in.
  • Anyone bringing in an assault weapon received a $100-dollar credit card, a $50-dollar card for a rifle or handgun, and $10-dollars for a BB gun or replica gun.
Who's got the final tally? And how many stories have you heard about true collector's pieces being melted down for scrap metal. What a waste.

UPDATE (prior to publication): The Tribune reports over 1,200 guns.

49 Comments:

Blogger leftisthebest said...

Dear M,
Do you so hate the opposition even when a good thing is done you condemn it? Do you so dislike Father Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina you make folly of his good deeds?

Perhaps one of those weapons, if not returned, could have been used to shot an officer. Perhaps, if not returned, used to shoot an innocent child.

No buddy, the waste is conservatives like yourself are so wrapped up in hatred of the left you close your eyes to the truth.

Father Phleger serves his community well. The weapons turn in program is a good thing.

P.S. I hope lil Malcolm chimes ijn on this one.

12/17/2006 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous #99 said...

Damm!!! you shoud of had it last week. I wouldn't be in all this trouble. "Tanks" alot.

12/17/2006 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Area Two gun team was probably foaming at the mouth having to not have a chance in hell of collecting any of the guns being swapped for credit cards. Instead of being sad guys about the gun turn overs hang some of that mistletoe in your office and maybe some of the nieve p.o.'s will feel sorry for you chumps and plant a big wet one on your lips.

12/18/2006 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget there is a $1,000,00.00 reward for information on who killed Killah C. HAAAAAAAAAA!

12/18/2006 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry Lefty, uz people just cannot have my guns. I saw what the ghetto is capable of(sports victories, blackouts, etc) Look what happened during the begining of the "Rodney" riots and how many people were executed because of their race. Im not putting my life in the hands of this coward,corrupt goverment that "reacts" instead of acts.
Before u borderline people that are undecided about guns u may have in your house do something stupid: remember the unarmed Jews being herded on to the boxcars by the Nazis. Honor the heroic Polish Jews who rose up and fought them w/pistols, stolen rifles and molotovs by keeping your guns......


Speaking of turn-ins, or more to the point, Lefty, is there anyway u can get your SERB state leader to keep his "gun" holstered. This poster boy,u know the loving husband/father, whoz anti-gun, pro-fetus murder; i heard for the 4th time this week that he "bung up" one of his Police State bodyguards. The public deserves the facts!!! Anybody have anything on that one?
The money and favors it must have took to bury that one!!!!

12/18/2006 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC:

I would like to thank everyone involved in sending the stuff to the deployed CPD officers-Father Nagle, Sup. Cline, FOP, all the officers putting the stuff together, whomever made the kind donations, and anyone I missed.

I stopped back by my house on the way over and when my wife showed me the thoughtful gifts I won't lie, my eyes teared up a bit.

I especially liked the T-shirt, the CPD challenge coin (now in my pocket), and the engraved christmas decoration (now on my family's tree in Chicago).

It is painful to miss christmas with my family but the actions of my CPD family takes some of the sting out of deploying.

Thank you all and Merry Christmas to you and yours.

12/18/2006 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if it would be a waste if some copper was shot by one of those cherished and sought after collector pieces, these guns aren't being send in from Deeerfield or Wilmette, but from areas where guns and violences is an everyday way of life. One would think anyone involved in law enforcement would appauld any and every effort in ridding the streets of these weapons
regardless of the source. If the weapon turn in has gone from thousands to hundreds, its still a good thing, anyone of those guns could just as easily ended up in the hands of some hoodlum. Why can't some of you people let a good thing just be a good thing, its always a piss, moan or a groan

12/18/2006 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Area two gun team only arrests cops, firemen, and legit citizens.. they're cowards. If it wasn't for they're inside State Police FTIP & ATF info on legit citizens- they would never get a pinch. FAILURE TO REGISTER........outstanding!

12/18/2006 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There hasn't been a newsworthy, legitimate gun seizure in the Southside since the days of LT (now CPT) S.G. The man was a god at finding guns throughout the Southside. 006 is better now that he's a Watch Commander. Trust me, used to be on the Area 2/Calumet City gun team and let me tell you-we handled our business! If there was a gun-we found it. We DID have over "thousands" of guns seized and we made a HUGE impact in the crime world. Hundreds? What a joke! We were just brave men who went above and beyond the call of duty to ensure guns were taken out of dangerous individuals' hands. Say what you will about the current Area 2 gun team, but watch what you say about the old Area 2/Calumet City gun team professionals. We made every Area so-called gun team cringe with envy. Nobody came close to our stats. Nobody.
Fellas just don't have what it takes anymore to really call themselves "Gun team" guys. Just telling it like it really is.

12/18/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police this morning were searching for a gunman who opened fire in a pizzeria in Chicago's Little Village neighborhood, killing a 15-year-old boy and wounding two other teens.

The victims, all males, were shot around 6:40 p.m. Sunday at Pizza Nova, 3704 W. 26th St., Chicago police said.

Cirilo Jaramillo, the owner of the pizzeria, said four male customers were sitting together in the restaurant after ordering. Jaramillo, 48, said he saw the shooter, whom he described as a young man, enter the restaurant through the front door and fire about five shots at the customers from the doorway. Roughly 15 people were inside the restaurant at the time, he said.

"Police haven't been vigilant [in the neighborhood]," he said in a telephone interview.

12/18/2006 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1200 guns? How many of those are pellet and bb guns? CPD juke the stats? NO!!!!!

12/18/2006 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

........this morning a p.o. from the 005th District was sent by one of the sergeants to investigate the pounding noise coming from upstairs in the Area 2 GUN TEAM office. The p.o. reported back to the sergeant that all was well, ...sort of. The p.o. said the gun team guys were indeed hanging mistletoe everywhere they could, over the door, on the ceiling and especially under the bosses desks. The p.o. said he never saw so much mistletoe in his life. The point of this little story is if you're a girl, walk over to the Area 2 GUN TEAM office and give the guys a smooch or two. They have worked hard all year and are extremely upset that they didn't collect the 1,200 guns that were turned over by the City of Chicago residents. If they did get all those guns, they would have had a grand total of 4000 guns for the year. Pity! Oh, and if you are in the gift giving mood, anyone, the Area 2 GUN TEAM guys would probably like a gift of CHAPSTICK....remember...there is a lot of mistletoe under the bosses desk. Have a Merry Christmas gun team guys. Remember, there is still next year to impress the boss!

12/18/2006 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lefty you narrow minded little lamb. Pfleger is an opportunist who pays no attention to the law. Ask yourself, what possible medium does he represent that makes him a legal recipient of guns?! Is he an FFL holder, an FOID card carrier, a C&R gun enthusiast? I DOUBT IT ! Has Pfleger been convicted of any crimes? Looking at him and listening to his Jessie Jackson-like rants, he doesn't qualify to the mental requirements on an FOID or FFL.

Next time you kiss Pfleger's ring, hand him a printout of this :

http://www.healylaw.com/self-def.htm#2001

or

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/wuvc01.pdf

My oh My how much good reading there is.
Keep voting Democratic so your guns can be taken from you, while Terrorists have a price on our heads, and criminals rights are put ahead of all others.

12/18/2006 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous ray the plumber said...

It was elvis that killed killa c....now pay me!!! mawwwwww.mawwwwww(evil laugh)

12/18/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can't trade them for dope arrests anymore, so why not?

12/18/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous pinchos said...

whats goin on! wheres the strap?... joe

12/18/2006 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Left-
for the record, Father Plem, as I call him...is useless. He only promotes poverty and racism in his so called community of supporters...hmmm sounds like somebody else I know...Jesse Jackson..the OG pimp of poverty.

12/18/2006 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm having a bad dream. Somebody said the awesome 009 Sgt F.L actually was DUI'ed. I know I must be dreaming this, cuz no f#$ktard would ever give such a great man a hard time?
If this dream is real, then "Holy Shit" we are really thin on the blue line? What's next?
Austin you must be a sad little man. Why else would you mess with such a genial man?
Ask anybody in 009-he's the best there is as far as personality. You must be a total asshat!
009 had better have a benefit for F.L.

12/18/2006 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

leftistthebest, the gun buy backs and every other liberal "solution" to problems is just eyewash for morons. If you want crooks to stop using guns, hammer them hard for using guns in violent crime. The guy who murdered the woman at Burger King in Lindenhurst is exactly what you liberals have wrought, lets crooks go free, and jail the hardware...are you really that stupid? Criminality is "internal" and has the external manifestation of victimizing other citizens; the means used, guns, knives, frying pans, et al, is irrelevant, the demon is inside the crook. The only people turning in guns were good people, the type who would never dream of using that gun on another citizen. I hear you liberals say things like "if it will save just one life, it's worth it", but this same mantra seems not to apply to abortion on demand, or the notoriously deadly "gay" lifestyle, or the consumption of dangerous drugs, or keeping known murders in jail. Phleger is political hack who should be spending his time in fasting and prayer instead of hamming for the cameras. He and his hide the pedaphile buddies is why I'm no longer a practicing Catholic

12/18/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what the actual breakdown is here: how many bb guns are listed as a 'firearm turn-in'. Not so long ago, the districts would claim them as 'recovered firearms' in their stats--a cheap way of padding the books.

I'm pretty right-of-center when it comes to politics and a big proponent of our right to bear arms, and in such, really think the now 'highly decorated' A/2 Gun Team and their recent high profiled stunts are bullshit. Having said all that, however, I find it hard to say that this gun turn-in program is a bad thing. That is, until I broke it down like this:

Who is turning them in? The thugs we want to lock up? The gangs we (should) stop and shag off the corner and stop in traffic? No. It's the legit or nearly legit citizen that reads the paper and most likely has a job. It's the church-going folk, the ones that we DON'T need to worry about. They have these guns/bb guns in their homes and learn they can make a few bucks before Christmas by dropping it off at a church. Hell, they even get to feel like they are doing a service to the community by turning Uncle Roscoe's roscoe he brought back from Europe during the war. It's just collecting dust, so they may think.


Is this who we should be grabbing guns from?


The felons, the bangers, the dope dealers, etc.--the ones we DO have to worry about--won't even consider dropping a gun for 50 clams, or 100 for something they would do federal time for. Why would they give up a tool of their 'trade', something they have to protect the 'spot' the gang or their dope. They would be suspicious of police when they offer amnesty: they might get tied to a body, to a crime scene, to whatever the gun might link them to. They might get stopped while on the way to the drop off. It might be a trap.

No sir, these programs only take guns away from the wrong people. I imagine someone will say (and has above, I think) that a child may be saved by one of these turn-ins. Sure, I suppose.

And I may also sprout an extra pair of testicles, but that's a different thread altogether.

Taking that approach is a piss-poor blame game failing to recognize the lack of parental supervision and common sense in the homes where this tragedy sould/would take place. Kids are kids, get into EVERYTHING, and failure to recognize this and take precautions is a supreme example of American ignorance. If you want to consider 'for the sake of the children' (recent ballot vote question?), then have a program offering free gun locks. That'd save more lives, I should think.

(Can't pass up the opportunity since we are on guns...)
Oh yeah, the A/2 Gun Team is still a group of pimps that target collectors. Nice job completely loosing the scope of what we are supposed to be doing out here, guys. And congrats on the recent awards you put yourself in for. Wear them with pride, but be careful who you tell your lies about them to--they might be related to your 66 year old 'targets'.

12/18/2006 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was that the A/2 GUN TEAM creaming in their drawers Saturday after learning how many guns were collected by the city? It's bad enough the gun team was left out but any gun off the street in this day and age is great news. ( Just ask Tank from the Chicago Bears...or rather just ask Tank...cause the last news heard is he is off the team for good )

12/18/2006 03:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let me get this striaght i let a guy go 4 traffic if he brings me a gun. The department states that official misconduct and hits me with felony charges, but if i hook up with the church and pass out credit cards its legit?

Does this mean that whenever Cline decides a general order gets in the way of good press he can send Dana out into the hood to collect guns by paying money.

12/18/2006 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats on another gun turn-in project.

12/18/2006 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who is killah c?

12/18/2006 06:14:00 PM  
Blogger Malcolm X's little brother said...

I am replying at the bequest of "lefty."

He is correct Father Pleger has done much to help his community. Some of those European-Americans who condemn him are offspring of European-Americans who ran from the parish when African-Americans started to moved in.

The gun turn-in program was a good thing. Those who lash out are bigots and racists who would no sooner give a compliment to an African-American, or a supporter of African-Americans, than take a bullet.

12/18/2006 07:32:00 PM  
Anonymous the man said...

Left,
You gotta be kiddin me. "Do you hate the opposition so much...." Give me a break. Who are you to judge if someone is hate filled. You have no idea where that person is coming from. As for the gun turn in, there is no way a criminal is going to take the chance and bring in a weapon. The only folks bringing in weapons are law abiding people who would never hurt a flea. Besides, the definition of an "assault rifle" is a joke! Basically, a scary looking version of a regular single shot rifle qualifies. What a joke to be sold to the stupid masses. As for Pfleger, this guy thinks he's something special. Rules that every other priest has to abide by don't apply to him. When time came for him to move to his next parish, he threatened to leave the church take his congregation with him if he was not allowed to stay. They let him stay. What does that say to all the other priests who are forced to move on. He should have been excommunicated. Also, please leave the "if it saves one child", "zero tolerance", etc. montras for the simple minded at the door. Thanks!

12/18/2006 07:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actual count was just short of 3,000. This includes approx. 150 BB guns which were given up for $10. Yes, there were a number of wonderful collectors pieces, mainly vintage WWII stuff - some American, some German, some Japanese. Mostly the stuff was junk, but a few of the pieces were easily worth $100s if not $1000s each. Shame to melt it all down without bringing in a collector or museum to take a peek at it first.

12/18/2006 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Father Michael Faker...ha! Just another publicity stunt. Now a gang=banger can turn in a cheap, non-working gun and get cash to buy a real working model.
As far as your rebuttal that some places gave out debit cards...yeah sure, just like they sell food stamps and Link cards to get real ca$h for their dope, guns or other illegal activity.
Great dog and pony show Fr. Faker!

12/18/2006 08:37:00 PM  
Anonymous to lefty said...

Hey Lefty, I dont think he was putting down the efforts of the Father or the event in any way.

You did get the part regarding the LEFT correct, they are a bunch of softballs. Taking into account the hatred you spew towards every one who does not agree with your distorted views

He simply pointed out that the take this year was less then previous events and that some of the weapons turned in should be saved based on the history of the weapon.

No where in the post does he say any thing about Father Pfleger. And no where did he say that the event was a bad idea.

As usual you take an informative post and spin it into something to fit your ignorant self seving needs.

The thought that you are actualy the Police and a Detective to boot, just makes me sick.

Tell us, what have you personally done for anyone latley? You spew your Leftis (Communist)crap on here every day, but what have you done latley? NOTHING but talk.

Do you donate any time or your hard earned $$$ to save the poor souls out there that you want us to beleave you love so much? And I am not talking about the 5 or 10 bucks you donate from your check. Are you inviting a local homeless person to dinner at your home on Christmas day?

I didnt think so, Your packing your money away so you can afford to get the fuck out of dodge when you retire just like the rest of us.

And so you can afford a neck brace to hold up that gigantic fucken head of yours when you get old.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and the family. See ya in the office.

12/18/2006 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the ABC News reporter who ran the piece on today's (18DEC06) 1800 news, my hat goes off to you sir.

The news piece showed Tank's boy Willie Posey for what he was, a piece of shit. It chronicled all his gun/dope arrests, even quoting Arrest Reports on the caliber of guns and brand names of bullet proof vests he got arrested for.

It is rare that the truth is told, as it doesn't sell as good as scandal.

Again, a atta boy for your fine journalism!

12/18/2006 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leftisbest:
No matter how many guns are handed in during these collections, the pipeline from Indiana/Mississippi will always produce more.

Guns are like dope, if there is a demand for them, the supply will always be there.

These gun turn-in's accomplish nothing except giving people more money to go buy nicer guns.
They are simply a way for politicians to look good.

Father Phleger is a race-baiting piece of shit to boot.

12/18/2006 09:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is nice about the credit cards is they can be tracked on where they were spend :)

12/18/2006 10:34:00 PM  
Blogger It's Not All Real said...

The lawful trade in firearms is heavily regulated. "Gun buy backs" are nothing but a waste of time. One needs to attack the mindset of the criminal who is willing to use a firearm, not the firearm itself. Think of drunk driving.....we don't ban cars, we attack the conduct of the driver.

Lefty, put a sign in your front window saying "no guns in this house" for me. Then I will know you really believe the crap you spit out regarding firearms. As for me....."from my cold dead hands".....

12/18/2006 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd be more impressed with a "Turn in your dope dealing sons/neighbors" program.

12/18/2006 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you predict the winner of the aldermanic races?

Give it a try:

http://chicagopolitics.inklingmarkets.com

12/18/2006 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CAN ANYONE BORROW ME A GUN, I TURNED MY IN TO GET THE GIFT CARD! I GO BACK TO WORK TOMARROW. AREA 2 GUN TEAM MEMBER....

12/18/2006 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

malcum, they built the church and school. they baptized and educated their kids there. they watched them get married there and it broke their hearts to leave their parish. whether it was 55state,55halsted,63western, 79california,or 87kostner we all feel the pain. i'm sure mlk would be proud of the integrated marquette park.now fuck off!

12/19/2006 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pleger has to do what he has to do to fit in. He goes above and beyond fitting in when it comes to race baiting and Police bashing. He is no more than a storefront preacher in his declarations of war against certain things. I think he is a phony utilizing his position as a tool for media and popularity.
Listen to his homily's, with his west side southern accent and his use of slang and ebonics. It's a slap in the face for the Catholic Church. His freelance crusades are nothing more than ego feeding frenzys

12/19/2006 07:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:09
THE OLD AREA 2/CALUMET CITY GUN TASK FORCE WAS JUST AS PIMPY AS THE CURRENT AREA 2 GUN TEAM. THEY TOO, WENT AFTER GUN COLLECTORS. WTF???
AREN'T THERE ANY BALLSY COPPERS ANYMORE WHO GO AFTER THUGS WITH GUNS? THIS FELLA HERE IS CALLING YOU A COMPLETE QUEEF GUN GUY!
YOU OUGHT TO HAVE MORE PRIDE THAN TO THINK YOU WERE GODS AT FINDING GUNS.
I CAN REMEMBER THE PHONE CALLS COMING IN SNITCHING OUT GUN COLLECTORS...YEAH, NICE PINCH...ON THE ELDERLY GUNSMITHS...LOL
FUCK OFF!
-005 BALLSY COPPER

12/19/2006 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous the doctor said... said...

Kind of funny lil malcolm only shows up after Lefty says his name.

There is a name for that, its called a dual personality. Its a mental condition. I think its time to check your self in Lefty and get some shock therapy and a lifetime supply of PROZAC!

12/19/2006 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an avid gun collector and a sworn officer, I will state openly that the Area 2/Calumet City Task Force of the past only went after gun collectors. What a joke! The current Area 2 Gun team is NOT that pimpy! tell someone else your stories...We ain't listening!

12/19/2006 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hands off to the people that thought of and put together the gun turn in buy back program. You got over 1,000 guns off the street in a few hours. You just saved many lives through acts of violence and suicide, and we thank you.

By the way, who did do this. Can we thank Richie, Cline or Dana?

12/19/2006 06:38:00 PM  
Blogger leftisthebest said...

To 8:31 poster:

Yea right....I guess it is hard to believe there are two persons on the job left of center. I called on Malcolm because it involved Father Pfleger. He has posted here plenty of times here without my asking. Our commentaries are often different.

I think perhaps your accusation against me was an attempt to avoid Malcolm's comments many CPD officers are racist. I also found it odd no one replied to that remark. Perhaps we'll see.

12/19/2006 08:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why so much hatred towards A/2 gun team?

12/19/2006 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why so much hatred towards A/2 gun team?

12/19/2006 10:17:56 PM

Because they like to go after senior citizen gun collectors for their "arrests", rather than arresting gang bangers who actually carry and USE them illegally. Which do you think is more of a threat to society?

12/20/2006 02:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All these bad posts about the hotties in Area 2 Gun team make me sick! Those guys have it going on and we girls love the "Gun Show" they perform for us.
Maybe if you had rippling muscles and solid biceps, we would notice you too. Seriously, these guys are totally HOT and totally buff!!!

-004 female

12/20/2006 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are those who are afraid to be the POLICE and there are the macho men of Area 2 Gunteam. Which one are you?

12/20/2006 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12/19
10:17pm
You ask why? How about made up warrants with no CI to produce? How about going after good people like firemen and dead coppers families. How about taking shit on a warrant that never gets inventoried (fucking thieves) Why the fuck does Fat Ass Phil tolerate these fucked up dirty thieving units who do nothing but sandbag innocent people?

12/20/2006 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we all say THERAPY! We need a counselor on this site. I have never seen so much hatred and anger directed towards our fellow co-workers. If we do not support each other, who will? I think Big Phil is a little hot, so leave him alone. Dana makes me sweat though, just thinking about rubbing his bald head! Ooohhh weeee. Ok, I have to go get in the shower. See ya

12/23/2006 08:11:00 PM  

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