Bad Warrants
We've noticed a bunch of stories like this one at FOX News surfacing at the District levels:
- Doors were broken off their hinges. Furniture was tossed upside down. A woman says Chicago police did all this when they raided her home by mistake.
Seems plainclothes officers are either hitting the wrong houses or the number of negative Search Warrants are skyrocketing. We're wondering how many of these "negative" warrants are the result of pressure being placed on plainclothes teams to serve a so-called "quota" of warrants. We all know that certain teams are required via word of mouth to maintain certain minimal activity numbers to keep their spots. Anyone with insight?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
44 Comments:
Phil Cline is the exerter of search warrant pressure, always pushing his search warrant class and encouraging warrants.
The problem is that many officers failed to corroborate their CI's information and plain lied, some view a search warrant as a search and destroy mission or a freebie to go pirating anything of value.
Wait until the lawsuits start piling in and the Franks motions to produce fictitious CI's. Millions more in taxpayer dollars thrown away to make a boss happy.
Pure and simple this is an "Evil Creation" of Supt. Cline and his fascination with search warrants.
Where is the accountability that they are always hammering into us at DOC meetings, staff meeting, roll calls,etc? The buck stops and starts with Cline, although he is not accountable.
There will be enormous future litigation arising from the illicit search warrants conducted to obtain firearm seizure numbers. Mark my words on this one.
I have seen search warrants executed a million times by Narcotics which resulted in negative findings or a few blows or rocks. Total waste of time and manpower.
Anonymous said...
Wait until the lawsuits start piling in and the Franks motions to produce fictitious CI's. Millions more in taxpayer dollars thrown away to make a boss happy.
5/09/2007 12:37:00 AM
Worry about a civil suit against you that the city will not back you on! This will happen if your working you have to be a total asshole even stevie wonder could of read the wall!
Shouldn't the judges who signoff on the warrants be held accountable? What about the coppers who have multiple relatives as judges past and present?
There are some horrible rumors floating around in relation to some recent and not so recent occurrences in relation to familial relations between coppers and judges. Hopefully they are put to rest very soon...
Pretty soon being the police in this City won't allow you to make any arrests!
I have seen search warrants executed a million times by Narcotics which resulted in negative findings or a few blows or rocks. Total waste of time and manpower.
A million times? I don't think there have been a million search warrants served in the United States total. Keep watching ace!
if you do a warrant the right way you wont have any problems. if any of you have ever done a warrant before you would know that narcotic warrants start at 50% and work themseleves down from there. theres got to be dope there to find and you have to find it.
you aint the police if you never done a warrant.
yeah but it looks pretty impressive when swat gets involved and they roll up in their van 6 of them hanging off of their vehicle--pretty cool
Cline is the "exerter of pressure for pushing his search warrant classes?"
Wow, the guy gives a great class on search warrants and that is exerting pressure?
What fevered swamp of moronic logic could that comment come from?
We have quota's in 008 now WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW
accountable!! Daley and his CPD brass all say supervisors are accountable for the actions of the officers. But isn't accountability suppose to go uphill. So Daley, you should be held accountable. But this is Chicago, the rules change and it needs to to suit the CPD brass and Da'Mare...So ultimately, it's the working stiff PO who gets hung to dry...
Check out those Area 2 search warrants, they hit homes in 016. Relatives of cops homes stealing hunting rifles. Don't forget slingshots and BB guns are illegal, do they get warrants for those? The city has in the works a ban on baseball bats shorter than 3 ft.
"you aint the police if you never done a warrant."
Wow. It is this type of macho posturing, phoney swagger and inflated sense of self worth and one's own "heroism" that is part and parcel of the scandals currently plaguing the department. 'You aint the police if this, you never were, this makes you the real police blahblahblah.' Guess what makes you the police -- if it says so on your paycheck! It's a job, like being an astronaut or a street sweeper. Nothing more.
The problem with negative search warrants is that the coppers who are gangbangers themselves or their friends are shitheads are tipped off by the shithead police. There are cops who are gang members? Sure are.
The problem is that many officers failed to corroborate their CI's information and plain lied, some view a search warrant as a search and destroy mission or a freebie to go pirating anything of value.
5/09/2007 12:06:00 AM
Great comment moron. With the level of common sense displayed in your post, you are bound for stardom on this job-goof.
guys are such haters, anytime anybody does any work, theres always acatch right. Everything is bogus, a lie, a plant, you sound just as bad as the lowlifes. If this is such a problem as you see it, step up and expose it instead of throwing BS allegations around you can't prove. Don;t be bitter because your useless and don't know shit.
Anonymous said...
We have quota's in 008 now WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW
5/09/2007 08:31:00
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Yeah what a joke. warrants somehiow will stop this summers violence in 007 and 008??? Hell no.
'Negative Warrants skyrockting'? Just curious, what are you basing your statement on? Is there some sort of statistic out there we haven't seen?
I say the problem with negative warrants is laziness.Did you do a surveillance on the house? Did you recover any narcotics purchased by a hype from the house? Have you made arrests from this particular house in the past? What do you have on your CI? Is he looking at time? Have you used your CI before with positive results? Don't trust a CI on his word, verify everything and if you catch him in even one lie don't do a warrant. Do the work and I don't mean the paperwork involved in the warrant, I mean the footwork.
I would again like to bid adieu to the A/2 teams. It's sad that you played the game, kept up B.S. numbers (even with the drinkers, fake sol., and 1 baggers), that they are screwing you hard and without mercy. But at least lockup won't be filled with B.S. arrests... At least you can tell people you get to wear jeans to work! :)
To 5/09/2007 12:41:00A.M.
You are 100% correct. There will be enormous future litigation regarding many of these bad warrants used to jack up the firearm seizure numbers. Hope one of the south side area gun teams is paying attention.
Negative warrants are needed. If a guy does 20 warrants and none are negative what does that say? He is lucky and the plumbing sucks at these houses or ........well those days are over. So negative warrants are a must and they will happen more often now. Why risk anything for this job. Safety first while entering if the dope goes bye bye so be it!
"you aint the police if you never done a warrant."
I just hope you aren't, please get help or start taking your meds again.
The problem with what everybody is saying on this page is that....THEY WERE NOT THERE!!!!!! Do not comment on what you do not know. You take the info that your given. You verify what your given. Then you hit the door. There are a millon things that can happen from the time you get the info till you hit the door that will make the warrant a positive one or a negative one.
Big press conference tomorrow at the federal building at 1400.
Could Lt J.B. and company go down?
Any place that has quotas for warrants is a bad, bad place to be. Do you really think that any unit that cranks out warrants like they are newspapers is legit? It had to happen- what area gang teams led in search warrants? enough said.
You had to know that Leo"I LOVE MYSELF" Schmitz would pull some quotas out of his ass. I worked with him in 012 on the Robbery Team and we called him Leo the Hero. What a fucking tool. He was an asshole as a PO and it sounds like he's still an asshole.
quotas (arrest, tickets, warrants, etc.) are ill-advised, unprofessional, and unethical, and...illegal; those who might be affected may be well advised to photocopy any quota orders to that effect, and save them..."for the lawsuits".....
First of all what the hell is all this about a "skyrocketing" number of bad/negative search warrants. I don't know where this info is coming from or where in particular in this city this is allegedly happening but it aint happening with me, my partner or all the good guys that I work side by side with each and every day.
I've probably executed over 150 search warrants in my career. In about 100 of those my partner or I was the affiant. Out of those 100 we might have had 5 or 6 negatives. The more homework you do and the better your C.I. or J.Doe is the better chance your warrant will be a positive. Negative's happen - It comes with the job. Sometimes lady luck ISN'T on your side.
I don't worry myself over a possible lawsuit because I did a search warrant. You're more likely to get a lawsuit/CR# or both if you hot pursuit somebody in their crib, search a house while on a call and smooze your way in to take a quick look on some info you obtained.
God Bless the working police.
Fuck T.S. (she has no clue) and will soon fuck up every gang and tact team city wide.
Hire more police. This manpower shortage has to stop. Whats it going to take. A copper getting killed because their is no backup before something is finally done.
Stop the wolf packing madness. How fucking gay and embarrasing.
that is all. i must go drink more now. peace out
"I just hope you aren't, please get help or start taking your meds again."
are you taking your meds at your 1st lunch or 2nd? ASSHAT!
Speaking of bad search warrants, we should study the "mother of all bad warrants"; the one in Atlanta where the Coppers shot it out w/that old lady.
They(police) recently pled "guilty"
to charges............
you must only have 60 credit hours that's why can can never type a search warrant
Garbage in garbage out.
5/10/2007 08:55:00 AM
can can??? dope
There is no "quota" on search warrants...it is more likely that some officers/affiants, in an effort to appear to be the "go-to guy" on the team (and therefore distinguish themselves all the better for a meritorious nod for Det/Sgt), are simply NOT DOING THEIR HOMEWORK. Supervisors are probably not asking enough questions prior to assembling the team for the execution of warrants either. A combination of the two makes for some bad paper. in any event, once you're inside, you should only trash what you really have to in an effort to find the ill gotten goods...some people don't really know how to search, and just destroy everything in their path, which just makes it harder on the people who will take the time to really look for what's supposed to be there.
HEY MISTER BAD SEARCH WARRANT
only a few times have I responded to this BLOG site and this is one of them.
If you have allegations to make about bad search warrants, don't do it on this or any blog. YOU don't know unless you have there.
OTHERWISE
GO FUCK YOURSELF
WILL I GET A RESPONSE or is it to late to read this thread?
T. SHIELDS
CORRECTION
"unless you have been there"
So pissed off, I missed the keys.
T. SHIELDS
More residue of Lt L.S. tour as Area 4 gang Lt....IAD/FBI have come into Area 4 Gun teams office and seized all copies of a certain PO's search warrants.... he has also be re-assigned back to 023.... get ready for the next shoe to drop....
Russ never needed a warrant
Did you get the gun?
"Search warrants are the evil creation of Supt. Cline?
YIKES, from time to time there are exceptionallly stupid and uninformed posts on here but that one belongs in the Hall of Shame!
Dunce!
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