Manpower Questions
Someone in the Comments Section for the post entitled "More on Iowa" left this comment (we post it as they posted it - warts and all):
- OFF TOPIC - 10-1 LAST NIGHT IN 008 AT DURKIN PARK (008) AS GROUP OF OUTSIDEER KIDS JUMP OUT OF CARS & FIGHT GROUP OF KIDS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD - DOESN'T SOUND TOO BAD UNTIL YOU SEE THAT RESIDENTS CLAIM TO HAVE CALLED POLICE AND NO ONE ARRIVED FOR 20-30 MIN. IT TOOK A RESIDENT TO CALL HIS DAD WHO WAS WORKING OVER IN 006 TO RESPOND AND BE THE 1ST CAR THERE, WHO IN TURN CALLED 10-1. MOST OF THE CARS THAT ARRIVED TO HELP WERE OUTSIDE SUPPORT UNITS...6- 7 PEOPLE INJURED, SOME SERIOUS AS ONE THE THE CARS TRYING TO FLEE SCENE DROVE HEAD ON INTO CROWD OF KIDS/PARENTS RESULTING IN SOME PRETTY SERIOUS INJURIES....ANGRY PARENTS/RESIENTS SHOUTING AND DEMANDING ANSWEERS TO WHY NO MANPOWER IN 008, IN ST. BEDES AREA TO RESPOND...SHOWING PROOF OF MANPOWER SHORTAGE AND HOW SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN 008, 022, 016 ETC. GET NO POLICE SERVICE...EVERYONE'S PULLED OUT TO THE DOC...THEY WANT ANSWERS, STAY TUNED TO SEE IF THE NEW CMDR. CAN HANDLE THE HEAT AND EXPLAIN WHY NO SERVICE..........THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE SIMILAR TO BEVERLY PARK INCIDENT, ON A BIGGER SCALE.....Hate Crime????? STAY TUNED...
We did a little research and found this article in the Sun Times:
- Multiple people were seriously injured Saturday night after a street fight on the South Side. An EMS Plan 2 was called for the fight that started at the 8400 block of South Kolin Avenue at about 10:25 p.m. and sent seven people to the hospital, including six in serious to critical condition
If that response time is true, someone has a boatload of explaining to do. We couldn't possibly address the allegations of manpower shortages. Or at least we didn't think we could until an enterprising soul forwarded us this scan of a Bureau of Patrol Division order posted in the CO Book (click to enlarge - sorry about the quality):
Are we missing something? We can't recall an order like this being posted at any time in recent years. One of the contenders for the number one slot is all but admitting we're having trouble covering the Beat Cars on weekends when there are details to be filled and posts a directive as to how the Department will man the cars somehow. What the hell is going on?
Are we missing something? We can't recall an order like this being posted at any time in recent years. One of the contenders for the number one slot is all but admitting we're having trouble covering the Beat Cars on weekends when there are details to be filled and posts a directive as to how the Department will man the cars somehow. What the hell is going on?Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
188 Comments:
The emperor has no clothes!
What the Fuck.....you can always depend on Charlie "Box-O-Rocks" to screw-up any situation.
Who's fault is it anyway that the Patrol Division (excuse me) the Bureau of Patrol is in such a state.
The scary part is that nobody seems to want the job anymore? I believe the CPD has given 6 entrance exams in the last 18-24 months all with extremely low turnouts of several thousand. I don't know if the younger generation doesn't like the police or if they just see what is happening to the police and are taking a pass on the job.
The City of Chicago is not alone in facing huge recruitment problems either, it is an epidemic nationally.
Chicago wants to get away with as few police as possible, this is going to lead to very tragic consequences. It is alreadly becoming evident to policeman and citizens that something is wrong. Where are the police? This would be a great investigative segment on the ten o'clock news.
Watch for the command staff to tapdance around this one. 022, 008 & 016 get no service yet the residents pay a shitload of taxes!!! Fuck Phil and his smoke and mirrors routine. Someone needs to hang for this!!!
Where is the accountability of the DC's? Time for the aldermen of beverly,mount greenwood and the northwest and southwest sides to get blitzed on calls and take action regarding the lack of police officers in our communities.
The next Superintendent will have to address the issue of equitable police service and the ratio of citizens to police officers, instead of pussyfooting with the issue.
I work in 008... we need help. I know everyone says 008 is a bunch of do nothing dogs which is not true, its the same as every district which has its dogs and its good coppers.. 008 is huge and we are getting demolished out there. the call at durkin park was not even given out because it was a battery in progress call and the zone held the call... which in 008 never gets read out 20..30...sometimes 40 miniutes later because there are no cars and the district is TOO DAMN BIG WITH NOT ENOUGH P.Os... it not like 008 is a nice place in the entire district.. the only good part is garfield ridge... which gets tons of calls on its own... days has almost no rapids up.. afternoons has maybe 2 in a sector...on a good day, and midnights cant even fill the beat cars let alone have rapids! im sure its like this all over the city. i dont blame the residents for being upset about police service.. its not our fault if all the thirty sector cars are on 831 and 832s beat all night long because its a sh*thole... HIRE MORE OFFICERS DALEY!!
All fun and games until a PO is killed. Where is FOP on this one? Boy, do I miss Bill Nolan now, at least he wasn't afraid to verbalize these issuers.
It truly is time for a new union or to merge with the PBPA.
Just how many sworn officers are their these days? How about getting rid of those specialized, Highly motivated units.
If TRU and SOS were disbanded how many more officers would be available to work the beat cars?
WTF is that?
Sounded like outside unit came upon call He asked OEMC is their any calls over her OEMC responded yes we have calls but no cars. Call came out /was recieved as a assaault in progress "Not a Priority One" dont blame 008 low man power and at end of night.............................................I see lots of for sale signs around Durkin,. next leg down in a declining neighborhood
Charlie Williams has fucked up patrol so bad, he can't even man the cars without screwing everything up. Oh, YEAHHHH, this guy should be Superintendent. Please..........He'd fuck up a one car funeral.
Same thing in 022. Get burglarized and the 911 dispatcher tells me, "we don't send cars out for that. You can go in and make out a police report at the station." Guess you have to live in the ghetto to get police service.
Examine the NYPD contract proposals at www.nycpba.com. It disscusses gainsharing. The NYCPBA offers the idea that if units are stripped of manning and the membership, who is working understaffed, should be compensated. Intersting. The FOP never offered such a proposal in negotiations.
The part about no one coming is the truth. The 008 park car was up and clear and was never given the job BECAUSE THE DISPATCHERS HELD IT. HE TOLD ME THIS HIMSELF AS HE WAS ASSIGNED TO GUARD THE CRIME SCENE. The car working in 006 was the first to come over to the scene because of the phone call and then came over the air (zone 6) with it and began asking for help. We were working in 007 and came from 55th and Ashland to help. Never heard anything on the zone about it until that officer came over the air. Almost everyone in the crowd who lived on the block were irate because they were all calling and no police were coming while the fight was going on, only to find out later that the first car on scene WASN'T EVEN FROM 008, Two of the residents tried to break it up, one male and one female, and the female ended up getting laied out by one of the offenders and going to the hospitle. Where is the outcry from the community???
No secret here, details have always been a drain on mapower. At least now they're trying to plug the gaps with inside people.
9,200 police oficers and going down,,
Interestingly enough, on 04-July there wasn't a 'manpower shortage' in 016 when it came to disrupting and confiscating fireworks.
There were plenty of units running around stopping these horrible criminal enterprises and taking dangerous firecrackers off the streets.
When is D/C Price going to hand out DCs and HMs?
WOW! Backlog in 998,backlogs everywhere! Was durkin park a racial incident? Lets hope Ric Flair commnader of 008 can help! Maybe he could bring the boys from WWE to clean up this mess! The fish stinks from the head down! Memo to the commnader of 008 Leo see ya we hardly knew ya! Good luck! Maybe they should disband tru and put more coppers in the districts where they belong! With all the bullshit seatbelt missions and details to churches and caps nonsense we have no officers working the street! If this is true a copper from 006 was first on scene what were the call takers at our clown college oemc doing? Again the good areas are shoted officers and people get hurt! WHY IS IT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THE TAXES GET THE LEAST SERVICE? GUESS CLINE IS GETTING OUT IN TIME! MEMO TO DALEY GET YOU FATASS OUT OF RIO AND GET BACK HERE TO STRAIGHTEN THIS MESS OUT MAYOR ASSHOLE! MAYBE YOU COULD OF USED THAT 40 MILLION YOU GAVE AWAY TO ANOTHER CONNECTED COMPANY FOR WATER METERS TO HIRE MORE OFFICERS RIGHT JAGOFF! BUT THEN AGAIN THAT WOULD MEAN NO MONEY IN POCKETS OF YOU THIEF FRIENDS! WHEN WILL DALEY BE INDICTED?
016's 30 sector is getting all the bustouts from the ghetto moving in. M.L.D.s are running 1631's beat. The police are now scared to do street stops in 016. And the best is those "new" section 8 units popping up on Northwest Hwy. in Edison Park.
Nice grab by the Area 1 Saturation guys, they picked up the 2 offenders that did the Agg Batt at the park last night.
It truly is time for a new union or to merge with the PBPA
FOP is not a union. And we couldnt get rid of them if we tried because we dont stick together.
I hope someone more articulate can explain why taxpaying citizens get the shit end of the stick when it comes to police service. Why was every conceivable outside unit deployed to the ghetto (55th to 63rd, Halsted to Damen) Saturday - an area where they don't want us, when the folks that DO want us couldn't get us. I was at Durkin Park and a strong police presence would definetely have made a difference. Someone fucked up: Mayor Daley and his obsession with the homicide rate, Phil Cline with his Doc and his TRU unit, Bosses with their fucked up deployments, Lazy cops that lay down and stay down on bullshit jobs, Anyone at OEMC who encourage citizens to remain anonymous and then instruct the dispatchers to ask a Sgt for permission to code those same jobs, Dispathers who would rather be funny than good, and of course the morons that started the fight in the first place . . . whatever the reason the result is that those of us living on the fringes of the city get bent over and stuck in the ass when it comes to most city services ('cept garbage pickup).
In a southeast side district, on Halloween 06 there were 110 jobs waiting at 1900 hours. Robbery in progress jobs were not being dispatched. Officers are over worked and therefore they are staying down on jobs to get their lunches or personals. Patrol is so short details should be filled by TRU officers. I was at The Police Concert on 05 Jul and the TRU units were assigned and were just sitting on their cars doing absolutely nothing! Disband TRU bring back the School Unit. The D-Unit is short too, because Phil has made new specialized units within the D. Get rid of all these Units and get the officers back on the beat where they belong. On the weekends I get at least 2 calls for supervisor a day, due to poor response time. I code at least 15 jobs a night and knock out several paper jobs as well. The younger officers will not beef about anything, because they don’t want to cause waves. Start calling the FOP and get them off their asses and get things done.
Not that this has anything to do with what happend the other night, and in no way am I saying that those who live there are at fault, but friends, Saint Bedes has been gone for a long time.
I feel sorry for those of you that still have to live there, in the hopes that you can get money back on your investment, but you will not, and you can not stay there - for your own safety, and the safety of your family.
The 8th District is huge, really, really huge. Hell, some of the beats in 8 are as big as other districts. This is not the 8th District of the 60's/70's - the retired district. This m-fer rocks, and even when the calls are BS - they still keep coming. The sheer volume of calls can deplete a shift in a moment.
The easy part is to sell now, but then what, for that I have no answer to you. Do you over pay for Mount Greenwood, Beverly, Garfield Ridge? Maybe, but it seems that these places, while not having the problems you have in the Saint Bedes area, still do not get the police service that real, legit taxpayers demand AND deserve.
UR GETTING GOOD WITH THE SCANNING.
THOSE PEOPLE SHOUL SUE MAY BE SOME OFFICER SHOUL GO VISIT THE VICTIM AND CONSOLE THEM WITH THE INFO.
THE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT CHANGE UNLESS IT GOES TO COURT.
THE CITY WOULD TAKE IT ON THE CHIN AND GUESS WHAT MANPOWER WOULD BE A LEAD ISSUE.
DROP THE DIME IT IS A GOOD INVESTMENT.
I heard about this incident and ran the event last night. There were over 40 calls and the dispatchers kept duping them out! Unbelievable! And in response, the 8th district held an outdoor roll call in the park - too little too late
GET RID OF TRU! What a waste!
If TRU and SOS were disbanded how many more officers would be available to work the beat cars?
7/16/2007 12:24:00 AM
Sad part is these officers are young a new on the job full of piss and vinegar, They should be in a beat car not working 5 hour days.
response, the 8th district held an outdoor roll call in the park - too little too late
Outdoor roll call what a waist of time .
Can they please disband TRU?
also a 10-1 in 003 last night. not going to give out details other than 2 guns recovered. all is well, we're safe.
FYI...The first two cars on the scene at Durkin Park were from TRU.
Same thing in 022. Get burglarized and the 911 dispatcher tells me, "we don't send cars out for that. You can go in and make out a police report at the station." Guess you have to live in the ghetto to get police service.
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If this is true I guess they want you to collect the evidence yourself. Gather fingerprints on your own and bring them in to the desk to be inventoried. Mabey you can use baby powder and a scotch tape. While your at it canvass your neighboorhood for us and take statements from your neighboors. Oh and if your can make a citizens arrest. Thanks,
we would really appreciate the help.
In a southeast side district, on Halloween 06 there were 110 jobs waiting at 1900 hours. Robbery in progress jobs were not being dispatched. Officers are over worked and therefore they are staying down on jobs to get their lunches or personals. Patrol is so short details should be filled by TRU officers. I was at The Police Concert on 05 Jul and the TRU units were assigned and were just sitting on their cars doing absolutely nothing! Disband TRU bring back the School Unit. The D-Unit is short too, because Phil has made new specialized units within the D. Get rid of all these Units and get the officers back on the beat where they belong. On the weekends I get at least 2 calls for supervisor a day, due to poor response time. I code at least 15 jobs a night and knock out several paper jobs as well. The younger officers will not beef about anything, because they don’t want to cause waves. Start calling the FOP and get them off their asses and get things done.
Sorry, but the people from TRU were NOT assigned to the POlice Concerts at all, it was district tac teams and the detail unit, so quit blaming TRU for everything wrong in the city. TRU has been stuck in area 2 since Jan 1st exclusively, the new company that was created a few months ago was to become a west deployment, so a company could be assigned to Area 4 or 5, has also been sent south, in short, the unit has become Area 2's private sat. unit. The city does not get equal service for taxes paid, AREA 5 has been out of control but gets no help, Area 4 not much better, most districts in general are busy, even if only volume of calls. The people in TRU/SOS are tired of Area 2 already and would love to go to 008, 009, 011, 015, 025, etc. where the help is dearly needed. THe DOC needs to go back to random deployments of our resources in the Level 2's instead of burying everyone in AREA 2! they better do it soon before more people start putting in PAR forms...
I say we stick with the original idea of protesting at the courthouse. Zaba Search has her address at two different locations. Although, if we can find which one is accurate, and it is lawful, I say in front of her house, 2035 Deborah Dr. Dubuque, IA. or 335 Nevada St. Dubuque, IA.
Enough already!!! I live/work in 008 and we have been in a real manpower shortage since Molloy was comm. Fact is, he was a true believer of CAPS took all kinds of manpower from the streets to man CAPS and his front office. We already know that CAPS doesnt work and the comm office has enough light duty people to do the clerical stuff. Why not start with puting some of those officers back out in the streets? Its a drop in the bucket but its a start and at this point we need all the help we can get.
The part about no one coming is the truth. The 008 park car was up and clear and was never given the job BECAUSE THE DISPATCHERS HELD IT. HE TOLD ME THIS HIMSELF AS HE WAS ASSIGNED TO GUARD THE CRIME SCENE. The car working in 006 was the first to come over to the scene because of the phone call and then came over the air (zone 6) with it and began asking for help. We were working in 007 and came from 55th and Ashland to help. Never heard anything on the zone about it until that officer came over the air. Almost everyone in the crowd who lived on the block were irate because they were all calling and no police were coming while the fight was going on, only to find out later that the first car on scene WASN'T EVEN FROM 008, Two of the residents tried to break it up, one male and one female, and the female ended up getting laied out by one of the offenders and going to the hospitle. Where is the outcry from the community???
The first car on scene was from TRU, it was his son who called him and said the police were called and weren't coming, he wqas deployed in 006 and came from there, a 10-1 was called and the first cars to assist also TRU before 008 got there. 008 is a huge district that is very busy now and needs the boundaries re-drawn, as do most districts that were once slow, this is something that definitely needs to be addressed by the new Supe, Cline tried but the pols were against it for political reasons...
So when a unit's personnel is detailed out somewhere, the unit's office personnel is suppose to fill in? That's not going to do much good if that unit is 011. The office personnel there, amongst many things, can't even accurately count numbers. Every time you pass by that door, it sounds like they're having a good ol' time. They're our replacements? And if they use them as replacements are they gonna use them during some of the busiest hours of the day (1900-0300) or will they maintain those cushy day hours and work only mon-fri? Many people on this job may where the uniform, but they are not the police.
They should hold someone accountable for not sending dicks out to scene for over an hour and a half , no one to interview people and no one to process the scene from ET/Crime Lab...Cluster.......Yes the fight involved diffeerent races, but what sparked it all???
Dalys master plan: He lives in the city and wants to move all the shit to the outter limits of the city. This way crime will over flow into the surrounding Suburbs.
Just look at all the money being poured into the downtown area. CHA is being pushed further out.
008 is huge! why does the WC on 3rd watch not staff all cars especially in 10sector? Only 1 great boss in 008 John Graeber on 1st watch at least he has a clue on both how to help officers and how to be the police! St Bedes need to protest as well as garfield ridge along with Mt greenwwod yes the areas that pay the freight need service! Why are we not allowed like years back to work our RDO in the districe we work in for time and 1/2? The city is flush with $$$$ daley is putting aside for bullshit projects! MAYOR IF YOU REFUSE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS YOU NEED TO RESIGN EVEN THOUGH WE HOPE AND PRAY THAT PATRICK FITZGERALD HAS A NICE INDICTEMENT ON TAP FOR YOU WHEN YOU GET BACK IN THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU BELONG! HOW MUCH HAVE WE PAID FOR ALL YOU FAMILY TRIPS? HOW MANY OFFICERS AND CITY VEHICLES ARE USED TO FERRET YOUR FAMILY INCLUDING YOUR MARRIED DAUGHTER AND GRANDKIDS WITH CPD OFFICERS MAKING D-3 PAY ARE USED DAILY? STOP WASTING MONEY SIR! HOW MUCH MORE BULLSHIT LIES WILL YOU TELL THE TAX PAYERS? IT IS A DALEY TRADITION TO LIE,CHEAT AND STEAL CORRECT?
F Y I IN REGARD TO THE 008 DIST INCIDENT. THE P.O. FROM T R U THAT WAS THE FIRST CAR ON THE SCENE RECEIVED A TOUNGE LASHING FROM BOSSES IN T R U INSTEAD OF A THAT A BOY. A FAMILY MEMBER CALLED THIS P.O. ON HIS CELL PHONE A HE RESPONDED FROM 006 AND WAS THE FIRST CAR ON SCENE AND CALLED A 10-1......THE C.O. FROM T R U GOT ON THE AIR AND SAID NO CARS FROM T R U SHOULD LEAVE THERE LEVEL 1&2 DOC'S TO ASSIST ANOTHER T R U OFFICER CALLING THE 10-1........WHAT A JAG-OFF
Benn retired a few years now; What are these outdoor roll calls I hear so much about (nothing good)?
F*ck the DOC and all the other animal ridden areas in this city. And yes I am saying people that don't contribute positively towards society or pay income taxes deserve shitty city services. Do you think the response time would be 20-30 minutes if this was happening in, 005, 006, 007, 010, 011, 015—no way!!
Start hiring officers back on their day off just like the smoke eaters. This may be the solution to the manpower shortage.
i love how this stupid department holds outdoor rollcalls after a major incident in a district. what good does that do a day after the incident took place and the police where nedded there at that time. like the same thing is going to happen the next day after an isolated incident.if i still lived in st bedes i would be steamed. most of the 8th district cars are deployed on the 009th/007th district borders where most of the shit heads live. why bother giving these hating no good pieces of shit an ounce of police service. yet most coppers/city employess live on the west end of 008 and you never see the police. just like in 009 where most of the deployment is in the 10/30 sector. who gives a flying fuck who shoots who there? most are shit head gang bangers or drug dealers or just plain haters who end up getting shot.think back to all the bulls championships. where were the police deployed??????in the ghetto of course. like there is anything there worth stealing or burning down.but the honest hardworking taxpayers got nothing..just being victims by the shitheads because they(shitheads) knew the police were nowhere near there.let me guess what the departments next approach is going to be in 008...hum.......lets see...the tru unit will be by durkin park in full force...great job cpd...shitheads are always one step ahead of you...lets just place another blue camera light at durkin park....signed a concerned po in 008
Any mention that this fight was black vs white, and that the parents got involved? That's the story I heard...
Well good news 008th Near Durkin/scottsadle park 2300 hrs. 15 JUL Street stop foot chase led to towed vehicle 2 guns recovered 1 in custody,....nice job 834
AS FAR AS THE OVERSIZED DISTRICTS ARE CONCERNED, I RECALL [SEVERAL SUPERS AGO...] TALK OF BREAKING OFF THE WEST END OF 008, DIVY-UP 016 AND 004 INTO MORE REASONABLE SIZE PLACES. I WORKED IN 008 A LONG TIME AGO ON 3rd WATCH AND REMEMBER RUNNING LIGHTS AND SIREN FOR OVER 5 MINUTES TO ASSIST A SGT CALLING A 10-1 AT A POLISH BAR ON ARCHER. WE WERE THE 1st ASSIST CAR. USED TO BE YOU CALL THE 10-1 AND FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES AT MOST TILL THE OTHER BOYS AND GIRLS IN BLUE ARRIVED [AND WHAT A GOLDEN SITE THEY WERE BY THAT POINT...] NOW - WITH THE LARGE DISTANCE BETWEEN YOU AND ANY OTHER POLICE, COMBINED WITH MANPOWER SHORTAGES, A FEW NEVER BEEN POLICE/DON'T GIVE A SHIT OEMC FOLKS [NOT ALL, BUT QUITE A FEW], THIS JOB HAS BECOME EVEN MORE HAZZARDOUS THAN EVER. YOU EVER WONDER HOW MANY POs OVER THE YEARS MIGHT NOT HAVE ENDED UP AT GOLD STAR PARK IF HELP HAD BEEN SENT OR ARRIVED SOONER - I THINK 2 OF MY ACADEMY MATES ENDED UP OF THE WRONG END OF THAT STICK - BUT WE'LL NEVER KNOW. I GUESS THE "POWERS THAT BE" COULD NOT ADMIT HAVING PLACED A GHOST ON THEIR BED POST. SORRY FOR THE LONG POST AND RUN ON SENTANCES, BUT I GET BLUE THINKING ABOUT OUR FRIENDS THAT ARE GONE. STAY SAFE AS BEST YOU CAN...
016 tact and gangs can't do street stops in 016 because they are working in 11 and 15. Call your alderman. The shit is headed to the far northwest. Shitheads are being paroled to their "Auntie's House".
here's a thought...there are incidents and events all over the city (south and west side more prevalent, probably) where police are called, and, guess what....no police ever respond; why? no manpower, too many calls for service. A starting point: a) the dept. completes and publishes a personnel audit, listing exactly how many people work where (districts/ units, assigned, detailed, etc.), and then explains their exact duties (i.e., field, office, etc.; this would include at least an average daily head count of medical and light duty people); b) examine and publish calls for service totals, by district; in addition analyze by type, seriousness; c) publish arrest statistics by units/district, further analyzed by offense, then re-analyzed in terms of number of personnel available and calls for service; d) examine and publish RAP statistics (equal to the old no cars available) by district and watch; e) conduct an independent audit of OEMC (dispatchers and calltakers), audit a sample of calls taken, how they were handled and classified as to nature and seriousness, and examine their policy of dispatching calls ("stacked jobs") to units already on multiple assignments (i.e., meaning that the call goes from OEMC's computer to the car's PDT, the citizen still gets no police service, but OEMC can claim a dispatch), then publish the results....
004th district midnights almost 1/2 the cars are down or 99 units. afternoons and days really short too. tax payers and city workers living in 004 get no police service/protection.
breaking up TRU is only a quick fix that won't really do much. answer to the crime problem and major manpower shortage in this city. The city councel and the mayor needs to increase the budget for public safety and allow another 1,500 - 3,000 to be hired.
Here in 016 is no different than it is in the 008th district. Our gang teams sent packing to 015 & 025 each and every day! Tactical teams sent on more field trips throughout the city than you can count.
So before you bash the troops here remember that the demographics are changing everyday (not for a better "quality of life" either.
Sure, we have some dogs as all the districts/units have, but being such a big area, it's tough to get around sometimes. And yes the dispatchers for whatever reason hold jobs for 10, 20 and sometimes up to 40 minutes as others do in their radio zones. -
Thats funny, If it weren't for TRU, there would'nt have been any police there, TRU car was 1st on scene and another TRU car grabbed one of the offenders...Stop blaming TRU and 008, the fault lies solely with the Department in that middle-class Chicago neighborhoods simply get no police protection, PERIOD. Operation Safe Summer, TRU, SOS, District Tact Teams, all sent to the ghetto on a daily basis, and in return our neighborhoods get no service. Bt. 2211 has absolutely NOBODY patrolling on midnights, and thats a fact. 2211 Midnites does nothing but write parkers and does no pro-active police work. The only positive that may come out of this situation is that the middle-class neighborhoods rise-up and protest at City Hall or to their Alderman, something has to be done..
This is what you get when you ReDistrict without redistricting. The slow ( tax paying ) districts gave manpower to specialized units who are in the fast districts. The reason- keep homicides as low as possible for the Olympic bid. This will last until the Pols who are affected take some action ( which they will not).
i can bid out of my current district in a few months... how are the bosses in 8? i am looking for a place to go that is busy.
Theres nobody on the sheets. Lets hire some people!! Where are the
PPO's?
The solution is not to GPS everyone, the Cellphone GPS plan sucks from the start.
Where R the PPO's. Where is the manpower? I repeat: WHERE IS THE MANPOWER?
Well maybe if this stupid department let the cops patrol, there wouldn't be an issue. We are short-handed and 008 is huge, but they don't have any extra cars.
The day after this happened, the rocket scientists decided to have an outdoor roll call at Durkin Park. Hellloooo Too Little Too Late and oh yea let's pull the beat cars for this nonsense, so that when shit hits the fan it takes 20 minutes to get there. Ay Yay Yay!!!!
Sounded like outside unit came upon call He asked OEMC is their any calls over her OEMC responded yes we have calls but no cars. Call came out /was recieved as a assaault in progress "Not a Priority One" dont blame 008 low man power and at end of night.............................................I see lots of for sale signs around Durkin,. next leg down in a declining neighborhood
****Dispatch said there were multiple calls of gang fights when the unit came on the air and asked if there were any calls. Dispatch didn't get it, so finally the unit said "Call a 10-1 NOW" then other officers started responding.
Was durkin park a racial incident?
***Yes it was!
Start posting your questions to the media. Let them do the investigative work about the shortage of manpower, pulling cars off beats, 20 minute wait time to respond to calls. Yea we're right on target with manpower (Ha)!
"they just see what is happening to the police and are taking a pass on the job."
They're not dummies, especially whne it comes to this City. If you aren't connected you don't have a career, you hang on just to survive.
All you city workers from St. Bede's should think about coming to Hegewisch. While it's not the paradise that it used to be, it's still livable and affordable. We need you so we can keep the community stable. Not that we get any better police service that you do.
durkin park was a racial incident-but whites cant be victims of hate crime. i work in 008 by 7-8p they give out 3-4 jobs at a time and we're in a backlog most of the tour. chas wms knows about the problem our next sup just refuses to address it.
Charlie Williams has issued a ton of orders recently that have started to handcuff the police. He is posturing for that Supe job. What a horrible thing! This guy could screw up a wet dream.
F Y I IN REGARD TO THE 008 DIST INCIDENT. THE P.O. FROM T R U THAT WAS THE FIRST CAR ON THE SCENE RECEIVED A TOUNGE LASHING FROM BOSSES IN T R U INSTEAD OF A THAT A BOY. A FAMILY MEMBER CALLED THIS P.O. ON HIS CELL PHONE A HE RESPONDED FROM 006 AND WAS THE FIRST CAR ON SCENE AND CALLED A 10-1......THE C.O. FROM T R U GOT ON THE AIR AND SAID NO CARS FROM T R U SHOULD LEAVE THERE LEVEL 1&2 DOC'S TO ASSIST ANOTHER T R U OFFICER CALLING THE 10-1........WHAT A JAG-OFF
Not true, nobody knew where they were when they called a 10-1 because they didn't tell anyone they were going, it's an officer safety issue, when a slowdown was given the Commander told the rest of the cars to stay in their deployment areas and not bluelight it to 008 from 003, and 006, that's the facts....
DURKIN PARK OFFENDERS WERE BLACK (SEVERAL CAR LOADS) VICTIMS WHITE KIDS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT STARTED IT ALL, DON'T KNOW...WAS THERE, U HAD A LOT OF IRATE PARENTS BLAMING POLICE FOR NOT COMING MOST OF WHICH WERE OFF DUTY COPS/FIRE WHO LIVE AROUND THE PARK..THEY KNOW WHERE ALL THE RESOURCES GO, OVER "EAST" ...THEY NEED TO RISE UP AND RAISE HELL, JUST CHECK THE SHEETS FOR THAT DAY AND SEE HOW MAY RAPIDS YOU HAD UP IN THE 30 SECTOR IN 008...TRU UNIT IS A GOOD IDEA AND MUCH NEEDED, BUT OVER STAFFED..WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY GET THIER MANPOWER, THE WATCHES...SCALE IT DOWN AND USE IT AS NEEDED - AS A SUPPORT UNIT, BUT RETURN 1/2 OF THSES PO;S TO THEIR DISTRICTS TO MAN RAPIDS AND BEAT CARS........AS FAR A POLICE SERVICE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE GET PUNISHED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CRIME THAT THE GHETTO HOODS HAVE, SO WE ARE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY BEING STRIPPED OF OUR CARS, MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T NEED POLICE SERVICE BECAUSE WE DON'T TOLERATE DRUGS BEING SOLD IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND DON'T LOOK THE OTHER WAY, BUT WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS LIKE AT DURKIN, WHEN WE NEED THOSE CARS, THEY WON'T BE THERE AND THAT'S A SHAME....YOU SAW IT AT DURKIN THE OTHER NIGHT. WAS EMBARASSED THAT WE COULN'T PROVIDE ANY ANSWERS AS TO WHERE ALL THE HELP WAS, AND TO SEE AN OUTDOOR ROLL CALL AFTER THE FACT MADE ME WANNA HIDE MY FACE IN SHAME...........
Question, how many years it take to get 008 2nd watch??? 812 would have non stop service since I live here and would stop everything that moves. I guess having 10 years isnt going to cut it.
good job 834 and coppers in 008 getting 2 pistols, one head and one car and a really long and involved foot chase in the area of durkin park last night.. anyone know if the bad guy had anything to do with the incident from the night before??
Hey guys and girls, they know perfectly well we're short in the field, not in patrol, big difference. When I see perfectly healthy officers working in the front offices;when I see folks on the medical,sitting at home,when they could be answering a phone, freeing up a healthy body;when I see officers taking kids and seniors on field trips; all these instances tell me we're not short manpower, we're short the ability to manage well. And don't forget the people at HQ's. We don't need supervisors and p.o.'s doing some of the duties that civilians are doing or could be doing. I passed someone today, from H.Q.'s with maybe 5 years on, driving a company car, what a joke. Be safe out there and back each other up, we're all we got. Be Safe
Oh and BTW, don't go to IOWA
Don't agree to work 99 on the 3rd or 1st watch!
Screwed up Dept.... Check this out!
Female ppo in 006 is 6 months pregnant and has been forced on the street the entire time, A2 Det who was shot in the back has not been visited by union since the incident happened.The dept wants to know when he will be back to work. 10-99 units abound on all 3 watches.... no rapids, wagons, or traffic cars. We are now secretaries with guns. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN KID !!!!!!!!!!!
A FAMILY MEMBER CALLED THIS P.O. ON HIS CELL PHONE A HE RESPONDED FROM 006 AND WAS THE FIRST CAR ON SCENE AND CALLED A 10-1......THE C.O. FROM T R U GOT ON THE AIR AND SAID NO CARS FROM T R U SHOULD LEAVE THERE LEVEL 1&2 DOC'S TO ASSIST ANOTHER T R U OFFICER CALLING THE 10-1........WHAT A JAG-OFF
7/16/2007 11:30:00 AM
That was GREAT work by Billy "Bean"!!!! I hope you come out okay on this Billy, and look forward to playing ball with you soon.
Your damn right, if my son called me - and no help was coming, IN A RACIAL INCIDENT TO BOOT, that I'd be coming too. We can't have a group of black kids jumping on white kids, just like we can't have a group of white kids jumping on black kids - and no police service. This is how you get the powder keg lit in this city - any type of racial incident and either side is going to feel slighted and pissed off.
If this is true about the C/O of TRU, CMDR Vulgaris, then he has changed and it is not for the better. Surely, Elia knows that family is the most important thing on this job, your "blood" family and your "blue" family.
How can you fault somebody for helping his (Blood)family? How can you ask/order somebody not to help their (Blue) family??
this happens during" the year of da locust" or is it "da cicada"
If TRU and SOS were disbanded how many more officers would be available to work the beat cars?
7/16/2007 12:24:00 AM
It appears that on any given night there are about 40-55 pdt's from TRU logged on every night. There are also a handful of cars from TRU that don't log on to their pdt's. I figure there are probably 80-100 officers working every night that could supplement the district man power, but then you would lose revenue as all these cars do is TRP stops. They do get an occassional hot car or gun after a foot chase and for that I must give them credit. I too would have probably been on a tru car if they started the crap 25yrs ago, but after 25yrs I can only shake my head in amazement as the young studs on this job are led to believe they are doing something noble. It will take a few civil suits to themselves or someone they came on the job with, but they will wise up and realize that no one is going to back them up for doing what is right. You must do what is politically
correct or you will be hung up and be made an example of. The City is holding back on hiring anyone because of the idiot's Olympic Pipe Dream.
As for the regular dispatchers on zone 6, CR is very good, JG is new but learning and very capable, and TS is capable also.
Just how many sworn officers are their these days? How about getting rid of those specialized, Highly motivated units.
If TRU and SOS were disbanded how many more officers would be available to work the beat cars?
7/16/2007 12:24:00 AM
But the POs from TRU and SOS won't do anything in the district because they are in an "elite unit"
Here's a thought if I was rotund and had the name Phil....ONE tact team PER DIST. No gangs, go gang intelligence, no gun team, no sos, no tru, no saturation, nothing. (Narcotics and Vice would stay, but CANNOT use dist. manpower for buys or security, and cannot accept more po's) The ONE remaining tact team CANNOT be datailed out of district. What you are left with is a group of 10 workers that make tact. The rest of the units, mobiles, and the inside staff that support them are back in blue on the beats. If there is a problem in the DOC (god knows thats not going away) then the WC can send in his own troops, troops that he now has because every car will be 10-4, fully staffed, and there will be no reason to give guys comp time. We have the po's. They are just tucked away into BS units.
Anonymous said...
All you city workers from St. Bede's should think about coming to Hegewisch. While it's not the paradise that it used to be, it's still livable and affordable. We need you so we can keep the community stable. Not that we get any better police service that you do.
7/16/2007 03:36:00 PM
Cough. I just cough drove through cough hegwish cough gotta lie cough down, im cough turning orange.
It must not be too much of a shortage or the POs in ERPs would not be working short days and their Sgt. cutting them early on OT Saturdays. Every Saturday.
There are a lot of office jobs plus mail room where full duty people could be replaced with cheaper civilians freeing up the full duty people.
008 is in backlog at 700 a.m. 008 is overloaded with shit, period.
hey office of accountability... who is accountable for this f-up???
Crime Abatement Strategies Area Management Team District Management Team
Taking CAPS to the Next Level:
Impacting Crime and Disorder Through Management Accountability
(Click Here to Download the Complete Publication Detailing the Office of Management Accountability)
Brief Overview
Accountability in the Chicago Police Department will mean the responsibility to exercise appropriate oversight over operational, managerial and administrative activities with the overriding intent of improving effectiveness and enhancing efficiency in abating chronic crime and disorder in neighborhoods. However, accountability goes beyond just reclaiming a neighborhood. Once we reclaim a neighborhood, it must be revitalized and maintained.
Additionally, accountability will mean the responsibility to exercise this oversight in a manner which coordinates and optimizes the strengths of specialized expertise found in all units among the department, with individual and organizational stakeholders in the community, and with other city, public and private agencies.
The Purpose: Directed Resources
Four Core Activities Guide Accountability
Department managers will be held accountable for four key functional activities:
Reducing chronic crime and disorder as identified at the beat and district levels.
Identifying and containing or eliminating emerging crime patterns and trends.
Optimizing community involvement and responding appropriately to community priority concerns.
Managing the efficient use of police personnel and other resources.
Multi-dimensional Approaches Managed By Teams
Chronic crime and disorder problems are multi-dimensional. As an example, on many beats, gangs, drugs, property crimes, and housing problems often go hand in hand to create unlivable conditions. Multi-dimensional problems require multi-dimensional approaches and combined resources. The Department's key resource managers will be required to meet regularly at police district and area levels to collectively focus on the use of their resources on the most pervasive problems.
"That multiplies the chances for success many-fold, and that's how management accountability will work," according to Deputy Superintendent Chiesa. Two key teams are charged to provide this coordinated support -- the District Management Team and the Area Management Team.
The benefits of these teams are:
Knowledge of local crime patterns, criminals and geography;
Specialized expertise;
Creative solutions borne of collective expertise; and
Optimal allocation of resources.
If serious terrorists put a minimum of thought into a coordinated attack on a couple of targets in the city we are screwed. No leadership. Terrible communications, no man power and no training and weapons. Good Luck!!!!
Chicago, is police "shot at" capital of the nation. And still no respect from the public, media, and mayor.
AGAIN THE ANIMALS START SHIT AND NOW WHERE IS HATE CRIME? CERTAINLY NOT IN THE WHITE AREAS BUT OTEHR WAY AROUND IT IS A NATIONAL INCIDENT! ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD GONE DUE TO THE ANIMAL! GREAT JOB MR.RIC FLAIR COMMANDER OF 008 YOU BUMBLED IT AGAIN1 MAYBE IF THEY WERE DRAG RACING LIKE ON 43RD AND KNOX YOU WOULD OF SENT YOUR ENTIRE TAC TEAM THERE AND IMPOUNDED ALL THE CARS RIGHT? WELL LEO YOU ESCAPED THE JEFFERSON TAP INCIDENT BUT WILL ESCAPE THE WRATH OF THE PEOPLE ON BEAT 834? AHH HELL YOU COULD ALWAYS OPEN ANOTHER GYM AND OVER CHARGE FOLKS AS YOU DID ON 111TH!
GUESS THE ALDERCLOWN IN THAT AREA CANNOT PROMOTE EXEMPTS SO HE/SHE GETS NO POLICE SERVICES!
I hope the victims sue the city. The lack of police service is a direct result of the managment decisions made by the mayor phil cline and charlie williams. Pulling manpower out of districts to create citywide units has left districts unable to respond to calls for service in a timely manner and has endangered the citizens of many areas.
Off topic - Why didn't the FOP propose an educational incentive in contract negotiations. In L.A. a new officer starts at step 1. After probation an officer with 60 college credits moves to step 3. An officer with a college degree moves to step 4. The NYCPBA proposes an education incentive in its current proposals. The educational incentive concept would help to resolve some pension issues, because officers with college credits would have step increases sooner. Also, everyone who came on after 1996 would move up bceause of the mandated 60 hour req.
i can bid out of my current district in a few months... how are the bosses in 8? i am looking for a place to go that is busy
Bosses in 8 are good, the commander is good, believe me, hes pretty good. (even though I think he nuts stopping shitheads by himself). I can name 5 DC's that were worse, and about 15 sgts that were morons.
The bosses in 8 are good, the problem is the manpower and the distances you have to travel to get to jobs. 8 is too damn busy, If you want to go to good district, go to 9 or somewhere else
The public thinks once you get an arrest, you miraclously process the subject in half an hour.
Anything from a TVB or shoplifter, can become a felony now.
Ford City drains the 30 sector with their shoplifters, lots of stores in ford city and lots of shoplifters. Lots of felony upgrades. We dont have infinite police in 8. We get in backlogs.
We have details like alderman Burkes house, which ties up a beat car, that otherwise could respond to inprogress calls.
Lots of parks and schools, that are always getting in some type of ganbanger shit. Gangbanger shootings tie lots of cars and they are always shooting at eachother.
Bottom line its too big, too busy, and and the ONLY solution is:
GIVE US MORE COPS OR MAKE DISTRICT SMALLER
It took 26 Min to dispatch the call. All B/C no cars were available to handle the jobs. It is a serious problem when you don't have enough police on the street b/c Cline has made all these useless specialized units. Disband the prema donnas and have them answer jobs like the rest of us.
If there is such a shortage in 008 how come there are no openings to bid? I'd love to bid too 008 and get out of this shit hole 003. I have no phone call.
Could someone please explain to me what the difference between TRU, SOS and TACT is? And what is so special about S.O.S. that it has (or had) that certain clout about it? The only thing I can gather so far is that TRU was formed to do contact cards and S.O.S. is nothing more than a normal district tact team based out of Homan Square. I am not being cynical, I'm really looking for clear answers on the differences between the units.
It looks like this is a sound managment decision.
How about going after the 700 officers on the medical every day?
i can bid out of my current district in a few months... how are the bosses in 8? i am looking for a place to go that is busy.
7/16/2007 01:49:00 PM
1st Watch Capt. Graeber, Is an Awesome boss, he will back you up and help you out when you need it no questions asked. He's what a boss should be like.
2nd watch Capt. Cotino is a Prick, Lazy Ass, He gives you shit or refuses to sign a friggin O/T slip just because he's not your W/C.
We have details like alderman Burkes house, which ties up a beat car, that otherwise could respond to inprogress calls.
-How much police does Burke need? doesn't he have 3 coppers as security with him already? and now a squad car in front of his house? Pam Zekman-where are you?
Anonymous said...
Question, how many years it take to get 008 2nd watch??? 812 would have non stop service since I live here and would stop everything that moves. I guess having 10 years isnt going to cut it.
7/16/2007 04:26:00 PM
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The FOP never surveyed the membership. At least Nolan surveyed the membership.
The bosses in 8 are good, except for one lone dickhead-
the TAC LT., Rich Scott.
He's the type of guy that you would just love to sucker punch in a bar and feel good about it for a week.
Plus he has no leadership skills, none. An ape from brookfield zoo, has greater leadership potential.
He is living proof that anyone on this job can be promoted to LT. Why did this guy come to 8, couldn't this jagg go somewhere else. 22 you can have him back
Otherwise great bosses!
there hasnt been an opening in 008 since last dec. 008 3rd watch is shorthanded and busy. but not busy enough cuz a car is planted at burkes house 24/7 and at the police hating c.r.o.e. for 3 nite a week for 3 hrs (1800-2100hrs) also the 008th dist 2 yr wonder tact team doesnt leave the doc and doesnt answer calls. nice huh the only people in 008 who get police service are the illegal mexicans and west englewood (bell-kedzie //55th-71st.
How about going after the 700 officers on the medical every day?
That's right, get rid of the year long medical, make it 4 months. If you can't be "healed" in 4 months, then give it up.
How many other jobs, can u be off the whole year and still get paid?
All these fucks find ways to get on medical. You name the disease and they have it. Get your non-sick ass back to work, because there is nothing wrong with you!
If there is such a shortage in 008 how come there are no openings to bid? I'd love to bid too 008 and get out of this shit hole 003. I have no phone call.
7/16/2007 10:46:00 PM
I hear you Brother! I work in 008 and dont understand it. I think we have to many people Detailed out to Saturation and other various units, but still attached to 008, thus it reflects on our manpower as being sufficent.
Time to get rid of these bullshit "floating units." One day they are in you district and gone the next. PUT THE POLICE BACK IN THE DISTRICTS.
If there was sufficient manpower in the districts, then there would be no need to shuffle manpower citywide on a daily basis.
Lets put these "CAPS" officers on the street. Every available copper working, isn't that why they got rid of the details (CUBS,SOX,United center) to put coppers on the street?
too may chiefs, not enough Indians, lets get some more indians!
Bt 834's pinch got two guns...but the person the guns reported to belong to was some shit bag P.O's son that lives in that area and that works in 008 3rd watch. He got away, driver was caught. I guess po's identified the guy who ran as the po's son and there's a warrant for his arrest.
I work(and live)in 008. I can tell you that we code a shit load of calls a night. When we cam to work on Sat night (1st watch)sgt told us there were over 100 JOBS PENDING we left in the morning the 20 sec was still winding down the 10 and 30 sec were ok. We do what we can. Like it has been said thruout this blog....district too big...not enough po's.We do have our dog asses....
Cmndr seems to be ok. We really don't see or know him in the 1st watch. He came to roll call the night after this and made it clear that we were not to mention the words "low manpower".
Interested in working in 008? Capt Greaber is the best boss there is....period. He always stands by his p.o's. If you were to just meet him....you would see what I mean. I here he has been promissed a day spot in 007...PLEASE CAPT DON'T GO!!!!!! He told us when he was not on the watch (acting dc) to call him at home or to call him on his cell if we had ANY issues, wether we thought it was or wasn't important. What a guy!
I agree with all those units, tru, sos..whatever. Do we really need those units? It sounds like to me that the bosses are just using these units to ACT like we have the man power to the citizens and that we are using the manpower to give them more police service. When in fact it isn't the case.
I also heard that there is going to be an EMERGENCY BEAT MEETING that the citizens are arranging at St. Bede's on wednesday night. I'm sure there were be more comments on that.
Intrested in working in 008? please inquire..we need people on 1st watch to gid rid of the dog asses like the new FTO and his dog ass PPO.
ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD GONE DUE TO THE ANIMAL! GREAT JOB MR.RIC FLAIR COMMANDER OF 008 YOU BUMBLED IT AGAIN1 MAYBE IF THEY WERE DRAG RACING LIKE ON 43RD AND KNOX YOU WOULD OF SENT YOUR ENTIRE TAC TEAM THERE AND IMPOUNDED ALL THE CARS RIGHT? ..............................well he'S all over the radio every night for evry fucking b.s joB (Car 800!!!!!) BUT HE WAS NO WHERE IN SIGHT, YES HE WAS NOT ON THE SCENE BEORE, DURING AND AFTER THE INCIDENT (THAT'S A FACT) TO ANSWER ALL THE ANGRY RESIDENT'S Q'S ......WHERE WAS HE??? CASTOS' OR PUMPING SOME IRON AT S $ S GYM???????
Anonymous said...
F Y I IN REGARD TO THE 008 DIST INCIDENT. THE P.O. FROM T R U THAT WAS THE FIRST CAR ON THE SCENE RECEIVED A TOUNGE LASHING FROM BOSSES IN T R U INSTEAD OF A THAT A BOY. A FAMILY MEMBER CALLED THIS P.O. ON HIS CELL PHONE A HE RESPONDED FROM 006 AND WAS THE FIRST CAR ON SCENE AND CALLED A 10-1......THE C.O. FROM T R U GOT ON THE AIR AND SAID NO CARS FROM T R U SHOULD LEAVE THERE LEVEL 1&2 DOC'S TO ASSIST ANOTHER T R U OFFICER CALLING THE 10-1........WHAT A JAG-OFF
7/16/2007 11:30:00 AM
if that is true you guys in TRU should be putting in par forms en mass. fuck that guy. his name should be posted for all to see.
1st Watch Capt. Graeber, Is an Awesome boss, he will back you up and help you out when you need it no questions asked. He's what a boss should be like.
-------------------------------------OH YEAH, GO ASK THE RESIDENTS HOW HE DID DURING THE INCIDENT...PO'S DETECTIVES ETC. NEEDED A KICK IN THE ASS TO GET THIS SCENE ROLLING..AND HE DIDN;T STEP UP....THERE'S MORE BEHIND THE SCENES RE: DICKS RESPONDING. ET/CRIME LAB TO RESPOND .............U HAD A CAPT., LT., AND CMDR (TRU) ,ON SCENE, AND IT TOOK HOURS TO GET THE SCENE ROLLING...........WHO IS THAT CMDR. FROM TRU ANYWAY...AT A TIME WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE DEMANDED/ORDERED SERVICE......HE LOOKED LIKE A LOST KID AT BUD BILLEKIN...........TAKE CHARGE BROTHER!!!
016 is a changing place, look at the transfer orders for the last couple of periods. New and younger P.O.’s are bidding into 016. Workers that care about their neighborhoods and want to protect it! So, stop talking your bullshit about 016 and transfer in and make a difference. Or can’t you leave 35th and Michigan?
The 016th district is 32 square miles. It can take you 20-30 min. to get to a job!! I am not saying that the district is dog free. But, can you name me one that is? So, if you still want to do police work and protect your own, bid into 016 and make a difference. It only took 9 year last period to bid in.
Off topic - Why didn't the FOP propose an educational incentive in contract negotiatio............................................................they already have an incentive, they will pay 100% if u get an A, they paid for my masters (22,000) in all, but it won't help me on this job,...setting myself up for a sweeyt gig after this job ..all they just want to see is that paper...if u can do it, then do, before it's gone........$$$$$ GO TO JERRY "LEWIS" COLLEGE OR THE ONE ONE STEP ABOVE BARBER COLLEGE...CALUMET COLLEGE, WHAT A JOKE...............
Question, how many years it take to get 008 2nd watch??? 812 would have non stop service since I live here and would stop everything that moves. I guess having 10 years isnt going to cut it.
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easy superhero.... 10 WHOLE years... your just gettin your wiskers son..
The only thing I can gather so far is that TRU was formed to do contact cards and S.O.S. is nothing more than a normal district tact team based out of Homan Square.
You are very mis-informed, TRU doesn't just do contact cards, they are out there making stops all night, the same as SOS and district tac does, they do a great job, as does SOS and tac, unfortunately, Area 2 is the only benefactor of TRU/ SOS's manpower....
Theres nobody on the sheets. Lets hire some people!! Where are the
PPO's?
The solution is not to GPS everyone, the Cellphone GPS plan sucks from the start.
Where R the PPO's. Where is the manpower? I repeat: WHERE IS THE MANPOWER?
Nobody wants this job anymore, it's been this way for years now. The days of 25,000 signing up are long gone, that's why they keep offering it every 2 yrs. Why would they, they see us get shit on everyday in the media and by the department and Mayor, the b.s.s lawsuits etc. it's nationwide, this is not a desirable job anymore, we have to face facts, it will never be how it once was...
Thats funny, If it weren't for TRU, there would'nt have been any police there, TRU car was 1st on scene and another TRU car grabbed one of the offenders...Stop blaming TRU and 008, the fault lies solely with the Department in that middle-class Chicago neighborhoods simply get no police protection, PERIOD. Operation Safe Summer, TRU, SOS, District Tact Teams, all sent to the ghetto on a daily basis, and in return our neighborhoods get no service. Bt. 2211 has absolutely NOBODY patrolling on midnights, and thats a fact. 2211 Midnites does nothing but write parkers and does no pro-active police work. The only positive that may come out of this situation is that the middle-class neighborhoods rise-up and protest at City Hall or to their Alderman, something has to be done..
Great idea, unfortunatly most people in those middle class neighborhoods you speak of work during the day. Unlike the "other" neighborhoods whose people don't have to work AT ALL and have nothing better to do but take a trip downtown, most likely in a group on a church bus, and stand around in some new scenery hoping the news cameras show up, and they will, and try to get on TV so they can brag aboout it to their "peeps." Thats why they get what ever they want. "The wheel that sqeeks gets the grease."
i wonder how many guys that live in 08 do the caps thing.
YOU BOYS DONT WANT TO FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN HOOD. ITS A SHAME. I KNOW ALOT OF YOU WORK SOS,TRU , NARCOTICS, ETC,ETC. ITS YOUR KIDS /YOUR HOMES/ YOUR CAR/ YOUR PARKS.
ALL THOSE MONSTERS MOVING IN NEXT TO YOUR OVERPRICED GARAGE SIZE HOMES. ITS SCARY AINT IT. NO POLICE SERVICE. I REMEMBER ON ONE HOT DAY ON ZONE 10 (10 AND 11 DIST) A SGT TOLD THE DISPATCHER CODE ALL THE DISTUBANCES AND DRUG SALES. GUESS WHAT I WAS ONE OF THOSE DUMB ASS PEOPLE CALLING FOR ASSIST FROM MY OWN DEPARTMENT.
I RECOMMEND YOU TALK TO YOUR ALDERMAN YOU HATE SO MUCH AND START GETTING INVOLVED. I KNOW YOU ARE ALL BUSY WORKING SECURITY FOR 17 $ AN HOUR AND PLAYING GOLF.
WELL ITS UR HOOD I'M GLAD THE RIFF RAFF ARE HEADING THAT WAY AND LEAVING MY AREA BECAUSE OF HOME PRICES.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND YOUR DECLINING HOME PRICES.
Tsk,tsk......things never will change because the same click remains in power. As long as the bosses in power get there pensions, they could care less about the people or the real backbone of the department, "The Patrol Officer". Its all show for the public with no service. It should be called a Physic program. Better yet, fool the public unit. The bosses are to blame, Cline,Malloy,Carroll, all Dept.Supt. and the minority bosses. Funny you don't see the minority bosses screaming out now since they got a plush job and big bucks, but boy could they scream when they weren't. Oh well, Detroit will be here soon.
"Disband the prema donnas and have them answer jobs like the rest of us.
7/16/2007 10:39:00 PM"
ABSOLUTELY!!The sooner the Better, understand one thing these units are fraught with connected clowns that are afraid of their own shadow. They shudder @ the thought of putting on the Uniform& having to actually answer calls. Then they're accountable can't have that, Adios Phil the Shill long on appearances,short on substance.
"The younger officers will not beef about anything, because they don’t want to cause waves."
Therein lies th problem the Big mouths shoot their pieholes off how tuff they are but cower& wimper when then should stand up for themselves.
I don't want to say anything cause I want to get on a tacteam, gangs,etc.. Sickening sell each other out for nothing.
Then again FLOP won't back you either so the vicious circle continues...
bIG ARTICLES IN TODAYS TIMES AND SOUTHTOWN (FRONT PAGE) ON THIS INCIDENT WILL THEY GET RESULTS ON 834? MAYBE FOR A MONTH THEN BACK TO NO POLICE LIKE IN GARFIELD RIDGE AND MT GREENWOOD WHERE THE TAX PAYERS LIVE! THEY EVEN SAY IT IS A RACIAL INCIDENT BUT STARKS IS LOOKING INTO IT AND THAT THE KID WHO HIT ALL THE PEOPLE THE 15 YEAR OLD PUNK WAS JUST "TRYING TO GET AWAY" AND AN INFERENCE TO HE IS INNOCENT! THANKS STARKS!
If there is such a shortage in 008 how come there are no openings to bid? I'd love to bid too 008 and get out of this shit hole 003. I have no phone call.
7/16/2007 10:46:00 PM
Because of all the clout babies that are detailed out.
Here's a thought if I was rotund and had the name Phil....ONE tact team PER DIST. No gangs, go gang intelligence, no gun team, no sos, no tru, no saturation, nothing. (Narcotics and Vice would stay, but CANNOT use dist. manpower for buys or security, and cannot accept more po's) The ONE remaining tact team CANNOT be datailed out of district. What you are left with is a group of 10 workers that make tact. The rest of the units, mobiles, and the inside staff that support them are back in blue on the beats. If there is a problem in the DOC (god knows thats not going away) then the WC can send in his own troops, troops that he now has because every car will be 10-4, fully staffed, and there will be no reason to give guys comp time. We have the po's. They are just tucked away into BS units.
7/16/2007 08:02:00 PM
How about keeping it the way it is and just keep hiring more police!
Off topic - Why didn't the FOP propose an educational incentive in contract negotiations. In L.A. a new officer starts at step 1. After probation an officer with 60 college credits moves to step 3. An officer with a college degree moves to step 4. The NYCPBA proposes an education incentive in its current proposals. The educational incentive concept would help to resolve some pension issues, because officers with college credits would have step increases sooner. Also, everyone who came on after 1996 would move up bceause of the mandated 60 hour req.
7/16/2007 09:37:00 PM
yOU SIR WILL MAKE A GREAT BOSS IN THE EYES OF THE MAYOR........ THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS DEPARTMENT...TOO MANY EDUCATED FOOLS, WHO ARE ONLY BOOK SMART, NOT STREET SMART.
A FAMILY MEMBER CALLED THIS P.O. ON HIS CELL PHONE A HE RESPONDED FROM 006 AND WAS THE FIRST CAR ON SCENE AND CALLED A 10-1......THE C.O. FROM T R U GOT ON THE AIR AND SAID NO CARS FROM T R U SHOULD LEAVE THERE LEVEL 1&2 DOC'S TO ASSIST ANOTHER T R U OFFICER CALLING THE 10-1........WHAT A JAG-OFF
7/16/2007 11:30:00 AM
That is an absolute lie..you obviously dont know what the hell you are talking about, C/O told the units to stay in their areas AFTER there were severla slow downs called and plenty of 008 units on scene, he did not get mad at the TRU officer for going over there, and completely understood due to the fact that it was his family Co. EV is a great boss who does nothing but look out for P.O.'s. Dont say anything on here if you dont have the facts you moron...
all of the above suggestions re: disbanding or reducing tru, eliminating the specialized teams, etc., are good ones, but my prediction: there will be no increase in district manpower. Why? Daley is stuck on the reduction of homicides, and that number is low, relatively speaking; the brass is delusional with tru, that's here to stay (along with their policy of never leaving the doc, never answering district calls, writing contact cards and effecting mostly minor arrests). So, the dept. will band-aid the problem by sending in the golden boys (tru), at least until the problem subsides and/or the residents stop complaining, and OEMC will "improve" (political speak to the public) their dispatch policies by announcing some initiatives, like re-training their calltakers and dispatchers, maybe disciplining the dispatchers who were on the zone that night in 008, and issuing a statement to the effect that "we will use our resources more wisely and effectively in the future." In total, then, all bullshit, but not a surprise (and the king of bullshit, an outdoor rollcall the next day at the site of the incident, "showing the community that we care, that we will be here for you"...and the residents can ask, where the hell were you when we called, and why aren't there enough police on the street to answer our calls?.....
Media is aware of the 26 min lapse and now the answer they will get is that there were no cars available. HELLO we've been saying this for 3 years now. When you pull manpower out of the slower districts and put them in the ghetto you leave a shortage of coppers in the slower districts. Once this is found out the slower districts will get faster and faster. KEEP the manpower in all the districts. We can't do anything with people that are uncivilized. People have been attempting for a long time. When you don't force them to go to work or earn a living they only know one thing and that is the GOV'T pays me on the 1st. LIBERALS SUCK!
By the way Tru, tact/ gangs/ SOS don't respond to radio assignments anyways.... So if you need the police and are about to be killed by your domestic partner in the ghetto doc and there is a back log with a platoon of TRU there 80 police officers or so... they will not get dispatched to you either...
By the way homicide are down cause the project were elimnated... not because of Tru/ CLine or anything else... They will slowly or maybe not so slowly rise back to the highest levels in the country... One reason being criminals with long rap sheets of violent crimes are silll on the street cause in COok county it is near impossible to get convicted... And then serve a long periond of time... so a guy may shoot someone and be convicted or not and be back out on the street in 18 months... to continue his crime ridden ways...
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The scary part is that nobody seems to want the job anymore? I believe the CPD has given 6 entrance exams in the last 18-24 months all with extremely low turnouts of several thousand. I don't know if the younger generation doesn't like the police or if they just see what is happening to the police and are taking a pass on the job.
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Or, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE IN THE CITY THEY ARE FORCED TO LIVE IN!!!!!
31 on and still goin strong said...
Question, how many years it take to get 008 2nd watch??? 812 would have non stop service since I live here and would stop everything that moves. I guess having 10 years isnt going to cut it.
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easy superhero.... 10 WHOLE years... your just gettin your wiskers son..
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Relax old man if he waited until he had 31 years like you to do anything he'd be retiring in a couple months and that would be pointless. 10 years anywhere is long time. Don't be so cocky because 31 years or not, you'll still be told where to shove it if you act like a jag.
The reason Lt. Scott is in 008 was that the previous Commander BIFF had an opening when Mike McGivney (class act) retired. BIFF had to put someone in there who was weak enough to constantly kiss ass. BIFF did not want anyone with an independent thought working for him.
TRU, SOS, Saturation,etc....out there makeing stops?? getting arrests? People have been calling them "elite"? They wear the same uniform that I do they drive a marked car like I do, Come on! We do the same shit on the watch in the district. and most importantly, I make the same amount of money, actually even more, since most of them have less than three years on the job! Most of the people I know that have gone to TRU have gone there cause they have no one to work with on the watch or no one wants to work with them.
We need the "elite" in the district inside a beat car where they will be more useful.
Us little po's on the beat in 008 ....I think we do a damn great job given the facts.
Jimmy shall return!
Intrested in working in 008? please inquire..we need people on 1st watch to gid rid of the dog asses like the new FTO and his dog ass PPO.
7/17/2007 02:38:00 AM
This is true. Unbelieveable, a brand new FTO Teaching his dog ass ways to a new PPO on his cycles. Maybe he will grown up to be a dog ass copper like P.O. A. Carter who just got off probation.
THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SERVICE ORINENTATED POLICE DEPARTMENT (A CLASSIC WATCHMAN STYLE POLICE DEPARTMENT). NOW HOWEVER, WERE OPERATING UNDER SOME MUTATED HYBRID POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT HAS PUT SERVICE SECONDARY BEHIND ENFORCEMENT IN THE LOW SOCIO-ECONOMIC AREAS. NEW TEAMS AND UNITS HAVE BEEN CREATED AND DEDICATED TO THIS PURPOSE, AND THE SERVICE END OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SUFFERED AGGRIEGESLY. IT IS NOW TIME TO TAKE A STEP BACK, AND REINCOORPERATE SOME OF OUR HUMAN RESOURCES BACK TO SERVING THE COMMUNITY. THE HYBRID POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY OPERATING IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO HAS OBVIOUS FLAWS. IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THE HYBRID, THAN WE NEED TO HIRE MORE OFFICERS TO MAINTAIN THE SERVICE END.
I don't disagree with the fact that we are drastically undermanned on the streets. Of this fact there is no doubt. But eliminating units like TRU and SOS, Narcotics and Vice would barely make a dent in district level strength. Currently TRU is as about 400 including supervisors and admin staff, SOS is a quarter of that if they are lucky. Narcotics, Vice and Gangs put together, maybe 500 tops. This is approximately 1000 - 1200 bodies. Divide that equally between 25 districts. Thats 40 bodies per district. 13 bodies per watch minus sgts and lts, now we are talking 10 bodies per watch. Granted that would be of some help, all cars would now be 2 man. There would be no additional cars put up because 10 bodies just doesn't cut the mustard. They would still strip the slower districts and send them to the ghetto and you would still be back at square one. We need a massive hiring of a few thousand officers to fill the gap. Only then will man power actually be where it should be.
I know 3 guys in their 20s who all took the 1st entrance exam in 2006. After 6 months, they still hadn't gotten test results. They tried following up. Still no results a few months later.
They all went on with their lives and got other jobs. Could have been good officers, but whatever incompetent was administering the test couldn't even bother to get out test results.
I've heard that lots of other guys who took the test last year got the same crap. You gotta wonder how many potential applicants get turned off when they hear about this kinda of b.s.
Why did Starks handle the press conference and not Cline? It shows how little they care about the middle class that they sent the castrated second in command to hold the press conference in Durkin Park Monday. Maybe Cline will show up to hug the Pastor of St. Bedes during Sunday Mass as he did a few years ago for Meeks.
0335 u r a tool, most guys go to 016 to do nothing. Too bad about the distance, but 008 and 004 have the same problem.
Could someone please explain to me what the difference between TRU, SOS and TACT is? And what is so special about S.O.S. that it has (or had) that certain clout about it? The only thing I can gather so far is that TRU was formed to do contact cards and S.O.S. is nothing more than a normal district tact team based out of Homan Square. I am not being cynical, I'm really looking for clear answers on the differences between the units.
7/16/2007 10:53:00 PM
Okay, here is the answer and your gonna laugh. TRU was designed to reduce the rising homicide rate by any means available. Visibility, arrests, contacts, impounds, tickets, anything available. The idea was to saturate a location of high violent crime until the crime stopped or moved. This in turn would free up beat cars to handle calls for service and reduce the strain on the district. Unfortunately, the original idea has become convaluted and TRU has become a head-unit. Just go out and get a head, don't worry about being visible and impacting crime, just get a head so the brass stays off your back. SOS evolved out of what was left after gangs was disbanded back in the 90's. They were suppposed to be the elite unit that got the nasty bad guys off the street. Only problem was, the bosses used it to get their kids out of patrol. It became and untouchable unit because it was so stocked with clout babies. The idea behind both units is honorable and sound, the execution of the idea has fallen short of the benchmark.
Personally talked to the P.O.from TRU who got 3 frantic phone calls from his son the last one pleading to him that you gotta get here dad they are beating on everyone and there are no police here...secomds later son screamming on the phone that they are coming after him and the phone goes dead.P.O.took action got on the zone and was told calls are coming in but no one assigned,he told dispatch put me enroute and went to scene, saw 6 bodies layin on the ground and was praying none of them were his son but saw 2 of his friends sons laying there injured...said it was the worst day he ever worked on this job and a day later was physicaly sick from what had occurred...good guy, good cop been in shit from day one on the job but had to come to the aid of his son,never once blamed anyone for the foul-up just happy that his son is ok but really feals bad about his sons friend who is in coma..lives in neighborhood for 45 years and again is a class act !....the B.S.about getting a tongue lashing from his C.O.is incorrect.I am a neighborhood resident and a P.O.and am thankful he had the common sense to take this matter in his own hands at the time...all the neighborhood people out there are most thankful that he responded..hats off to a good guy Billy !
7/17/2007 12:24:00 PM
WRONG! Lt. Scott went to 008 while J. Carroll was the Commander. Molloy had long left 008 by the time Lt. Scott went there. But Lt. Scott's juice WAS Molloy.
Why did this guy come to 8, couldn't this jagg go somewhere else. 22 you can have him back
Otherwise great bosses!
7/17/2007 01:28:00 AM
NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!! Lt. R.S. is all yours. We were doing cartwheels when he left 022!
High-five to the first P.O.'s that came to the incident at the park the other nite,took a lot of B.S. from some ignorant people there about not responding fast enough, if the knew where these P.O.'s came from maybe they be buyin them dinner, difused a very hostile scene with the bad guy by getting him away from a very emotional crowd.Hope all the people injured 7 or 8 ? recover.You guys have a tough job God bless you.
OFF TOPIC
lady stabs her boyfriend and kills him, then calls police. RWOC because of domestic violence history. What History? She stabbed him once before and put him in the hospital. He has no domestic arrests with her.
GREAT JOB AGAIN STATES ATTORNEYS
wanted young aggrssive po's to bid into 22 , protect your neighborhood
believe me you'll have plenty of work to do
where's the fop??? stop the cpd from assigning 1 man cars on the 1st and 3rd watch
we forced them to have 2 man cars in the 70's before we had a union who dropped the ball
durkin park was a racial incident-but whites cant be victims of hate crime. i work in 008 by 7-8p they give out 3-4 jobs at a time and we're in a backlog most of the tour. chas wms knows about the problem our next sup just refuses to address it.
***The white kids started it!
Since I have been rertired for a few years, What is a tru unit??
the true answer to manpower shortage is to downsize all units. This includes 2 tac teams,1 gang team per district, gang intelligence needs to be down sized to 5 teams of 10 po's,1 team per area, narcotics needs to be downsized, fusion unit, cage unit, doc unit, Jttf unit,sos, tru,fugitive apprehension, area mission,gun and saturation teams.this has become the department of units, we need to go back to district policing. we don't need all these units. don't get me wrong there are some hard workers in each one of these units but alot of dead weight too!!!!
7/17/2007 02:31:00 PM
To me it sounds like a huge coverup of an OEC fuckup. I think that TRU copper saved the day, had to be horrible responding to that call with your son calling like that. Sounds like the copper has good commonsense and averted a terrible tragedy.
6:15, it sounds like that to you because you have no idea what you are talking about.
No cars means, literally, no cars.
If someone from TRU comes up on the radio and asks about it, and the dispatcher says we have the calls but nobody is responding, and the TRU guy says put me enroute, and the TRU guy gets there first and has to call a 10-1, than how in the world do you make this the fault of the OEMC?
If the traffic went over the zone, and anybody listening and available could have heard it and acted on it, than how is the failure of any such potential anyboyd to act the fault of the OEMC?
Bottom line, FUCK YOU. You take something that results from a clear institutional problem in the CPD, i.e., insane allocations of manpower etc., and you still try to put this on a dispatcher? Seriously, this has nothing to do with the POs who are overwhelmed in 008, and sure as hell not on a third watch nobody on zone 6.
This is about your mayor, your superintendent, and a whole bunch of your bosses.
But hey, I've been wrong before. Maybe the OEMC shot both the Kennedys too.
There is a fifteen year old kid in a coma as a result of the attack at Durkin Park. Is anyone else as outraged as I am? So while I and my fellow officers who live in 008 are working ourselves to death diffusing silly drama in the ghetto there are no cops protecting my kids! Yet I am forced to live in this godforsaken city and pay taxes for police protection I don't have! I don't blame the individual coppers.. the lack of patrol on the southwest side of 008 is not news, it's been a fact for YEARS! It's a political ploy to pacify the ghetto vote. I for one have had enuf. If this were a ghetto kid every TV news whore would be camped in front of his mama's section-eight house interviewing every moron that happened by. How many coppers or copper's families or kids have to be attacked before something is done? Ten or more years ago there was a legend on the southwest side of a white van with masked marauders armed with baseball bats who patrolled the neighborhood and delivered vengence---er, protection --- where needed. Anybody got a van they're not using?
"SOS evolved out of what was left after gangs was disbanded back in the 90's."
That's no true SOS was in existence before then. The Gang Guys when to District Gang teams or the Gang Unit.
Alot of experienced agressive POs were in SOS.
IN THE 90s IT BECAME SONS OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE UNIT BEING INFILTRATED BY BOSSES KIDS W/ 2YEARS ON WHO NEVER MADE A GUN PINCH BEFORE. THEN THEY STARTED TAKING OTHER CONNECTED FOLK WHO COULD BARELY FILL OUT DOPE INVENTORY THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL CONTINUED UNITL IT DENIGRATED INTO WHAT IT IS TODAY.
Come on! The problem with this job is that we have too many dog asses. IAD should investigative POs staying down on jobs and terminate the Pos that do it excessively. The incident is 008 is an embarrassment to us. I’m at my son’s hockey game and someone starts telling me about the incident. I first told them that I worked in 008 and that although 008 is busy, it has a ton of police officers that stay down on jobs long after they are done. These officers hide b/c they are afraid or too lazy to do police work. And, the young officers – are completed dog asses. If you are assigned 5 jobs and they are 2 to 3 hours old and no call back or second call, please code them in a quick manner. Stop staying down on jobs in 008 and DO YOUR F*CKING job. People always mentioned on this site “if I worked in a district like 016, 022, and 008” referring to the fact that if they worked where the police live, they would do an excellent job. These victims were honest victims. There are 5% of police officers that do their job. We are lucky we get paid the way we do and we want a raise. Please. The POs on the 3rd Watch in 008 should receive a wage reduction. I hate to group all the officers on 3rd Watch together, because a few are great cops, but the majority (white, black, Hispanic, male female, veterans, 10-year guys and PPOs) are dogs. There should be an investigation and if someone was down on a job for a long period of time and later coded with a 19P, 5E, 19A, etc. when this incident occurred should receive a 30-day suspension.
Amen brother....the dog asses need to go to 011, 015, etc....where it doesn't matter.
Too many dog assed coppers in 008.
That's the problem. You'll never have enough cops out there, because most of those who work there have not adjusted to the demographics of the NEW 008!!
I work in a southside Dist., and I live in 008. I would love to work in 008, but afraid for my safety because of the shitty backup the 008th Dist. coppers provide each other. Jeez....a 006th Dist. copper had to come over to 008 and be the real police. What a slap in the face to all who work there.
Yet I am forced to live in this godforsaken city and pay taxes for police protection I don't have! I don't blame the individual coppers................................YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO DO ANYTHING! YOU KNEW YOU HAD TO LIVE IN THE CITY WHEN YOU TOOK THIS JOB SO QUIT BITCHING ABOUT RESIDENCE....FIND A NEW JON THEN...
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Come on! The problem with this job is that we have too many dog asses. IAD should investigative POs staying down on jobs and terminate the Pos that do it excessively. The incident is 008 is an embarrassment to us. I’m at my son’s hockey game and someone starts telling me about the incident. I first told them that I worked in 008 and that although 008 is busy, it has a ton of police officers that stay down on jobs long after they are done. These officers hide b/c they are afraid or too lazy to do police work. And, the young officers – are completed dog asses. If you are assigned 5 jobs and they are 2 to 3 hours old and no call back or second call, please code them in a quick manner. Stop staying down on jobs in 008 and DO YOUR F*CKING job. People always mentioned on this site “if I worked in a district like 016, 022, and 008” referring to the fact that if they worked where the police live, they would do an excellent job. These victims were honest victims. There are 5% of police officers that do their job. We are lucky we get paid the way we do and we want a raise. Please. The POs on the 3rd Watch in 008 should receive a wage reduction. I hate to group all the officers on 3rd Watch together, because a few are great cops, but the majority (white, black, Hispanic, male female, veterans, 10-year guys and PPOs) are dogs. There should be an investigation and if someone was down on a job for a long period of time and later coded with a 19P, 5E, 19A, etc. when this incident occurred should receive a 30-day suspension.
7/17/2007 09:33:00 PM
Listen asshole hero! The people on 3rd watch are good coppers who are you? SUPERMAN I PRESUME! WE ARE TOLD TO CHECK ALL JOBS NO MATTER HOW OLD AS PEOPLE THAT CALLED STILL DESERVE TO HAVE US RESPOND CORRECT ASS? MAYBE YOU COULD COME TO ROLL CALL AND ADMIT WHAT AN ASSHOLE YOU ARE THEN TELL US THE 10 STEP PROGRAM TO BE LIKE YOU! HOW MANY YEARS YOU GOT ON THE JOB CHILD? GO FUCK YOURSELF GUESS MOM AND DAD WASTED ALL THE RETIREMENT MONEY ON COLLEGE FOR YOU TOUGH GUY! DON'T SHOUT BID OUT!!
A few years back I received a CR for slow police response. THey printed out the dispatch ticket and found the call takers and dispatchers had the job for 50 minutes before it was given to me. I responded in maybe 12 minutes or less, with a code, according to the tape. When I wrote my To FROM I mentioned this, and was specifically told by a Lt. to rewrite my response and that I was NOT to mention the contribution OEMC made to this incident. That I was to take one for the team. I was not punished .
I work in an area where people typically spend $400K to 700K for housing, which is a lot of money to me. I tell these residents the truth at all times. Cars aren't available. No one is coming. I tell thenm that if they don't like it, vote republican
There should be an investigation and if someone was down on a job for a long period of time and later coded with a 19P, 5E, 19A, etc.....
Investigation..?
That's why we have supervisors. Don't they get paid the big money to check on PO's. We need working SGT's and not detectives.
DOG PO's compound the problem, but are not the only reason, at least they show up for work and not hit the medical for 2 months.
There are some nortorious DOGS, that are untouchable for whatever reason. They will stay down and never get busted.
Most DOGS however left years ago, Most don't want to work 3rd watch, too many jobs. Driving through 90 F sunny days, in RUSH hour traffic, with no AC is no fun either.
You still cannot ignore the obvious problem which is MANPOWER.
To the GENIUSES at 35/Michigan:
Redo the districts. Population and crime demographics change -WHY CAN'T the districts.
8 is big and turned for the worse, make it smaller.
** Why did the dispatcher say that no cars were available, if someone on this thread wrote that 805 was available and just never given the call?
** Why werent these calls read over the air? at all? with 40+ calls coming in, it's about a 100% chance this is a bona fide incident, and reading it out over the zone, and simulcasting it over the Citywides could at least get SOMEONE rolling that way .... Hey, maybe the park car??
** Why were 2 cars in 008 granted LUNCHES in the 20-something minutes that this Assault i/p was waiting to be dispatched??
** Why wasn't an offical RAP (radio assignments are pending!) event put in if there were really no cars available??.........
this is fuckin bullshit and that poor kid didnt deserve this hire mor cops and patrol those fucking parks
There should be an investigation and if someone was down on a job for a long period of time and later coded with a 19P, 5E, 19A, etc. when this incident occurred should receive a 30-day suspension.
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your a complete idiot you one way supercop... first of all, your an assh*l#. second, your wrong, the alot of the dog asses are no longer on 3rd watch or in 008. keep up your crybaby whining up on your soap box because no body cares about your pleads for help, and your stupid idea about investigations and 30 day suspensions happen only in your fantasy world. go back from where ever it is you come from you no talent waste of space... i dont even work in 008 but know alot of guys there and share the same zone with them... if your so f'n good superman, go there and show them how its done chuck norris
This is about your mayor, your superintendent, and a whole bunch of your bosses.
But hey, I've been wrong before. Maybe the OEMC shot both the Kennedys too.
this is true... the dispatchers on 3rd and 1st watch are probley the best and most talented in the entire city... they are definatly not to blame....
if that is true you guys in TRU should be putting in par forms en mass. fuck that guy. his name should be posted for all to see.
7/17/2007 03:26:00 AM
It's not true at all, when he heard the circumstances he totally agreed, he should have let his Sgt know and brought his team, that's all, he's a great guy and did a great job.
!....the B.S.about getting a tongue lashing from his C.O.is incorrect.I am a neighborhood resident and a P.O.and am thankful he had the common sense to take this matter in his own hands at the time...all the neighborhood people out there are most thankful that he responded..hats off to a good guy Billy !
7/17/2007 02:31:00 PM
I second this! Billy is a GREAT guy, and an EXCELLENT cop.
It is also good to hear that CMDR Voulgaris, a prince to work for, had the sense to not "punish" Beaner for doing his job.
As long as the side of the car says Chicago, and you are in Chicago, there should be no problem. This was a messed up situation, a kid is still in a coma, but thankfully, and I mean thankfully it did not get worse.
I live in this supposed declining area and I don't want to be pushed out because of no police protection
** Why wasn't an offical RAP (radio assignments are pending!) event put in if there were really no cars available??.........
there was a rap... the will always be a rap...weve been in a rap 24-7 since first week of may and we will be in a rap until the end of october...easy tuff
"No one is coming. I tell thenm that if they don't like it, vote republican"
Really, why is that all the Federal Funding for local Law Enforcement dried up over the last 6years?
Oh yeah the money for no -bid contracts for Republican contributors has to come from somewhere, doesn't it?
Yeah vote Repub, that will solve all the problems on the local level. You're a nitwit, nothing less.
I work in a southside Dist., and I live in 008. I would love to work in 008, but afraid for my safety because of the shitty backup the 008th Dist. coppers provide each other. Jeez....a 006th Dist. copper had to come over to 008 and be the real police. What a slap in the face to all who work there.
Copper was from TRU, did a great job, he's a great guy...
I live in 8 and im tired of policing b4 i get to work. Im tired of waiting , and bein embarrased because everyone on the street knows Im a cop and when I call its a 30 min wait. I know 08 is big, and its not the coppers fault. We call know the brass reads this, so keep swat, send all the sos guys back to the dist along with the no time on the job tru coppers and lets keep us safe
Guys are not going to 016 to retire! New guys are trying to protect the home land!! So, if you’re a worker come bid in and make a difference in your own neighborhood. The same guy that keeps pitching about 1631’s beat should bid in and protect his own neighborhood! It’s o.k. you can bid out of 35th Street, just fill out the par form!
Why would you protect the beast and not your own property and families!!
60% of the cpd live in 3 districts 008, 022 and 16. Talk about community policing. Fewest live in 007, 011, 18 then 010, 015 and 023. 400-500 on the med each day, 300-400 convalesent and 300-400 limited. God bless the ones trying to make a difference.
By the way Tru, tact/ gangs/ SOS don't respond to radio assignments anyways.... So if you need the police and are about to be killed by your domestic partner in the ghetto doc and there is a back log with a platoon of TRU there 80 police officers or so... they will not get dispatched to you either...
By the way homicide are down cause the project were elimnated... not because of Tru/ CLine or anything else... They will slowly or maybe not so slowly rise back to the highest levels in the country... One reason being criminals with long rap sheets of violent crimes are silll on the street cause in COok county it is near impossible to get convicted... And then serve a long periond of time... so a guy may shoot someone and be convicted or not and be back out on the street in 18 months... to continue his crime ridden ways...
AMEN! Supervision upon Supervision. Your target should be the courts and judges and not each other.
End the bs overtime for caps meetings. Let po's work ot in their assigned districts. Put the community police officers on the street in uniform answering radio assignments. The community needs them fighting crime not answering telephones.
You southside po....I work in 008 and yes, hate to admit it but there are dog asses in 008. I'm not too sure about 3rd watch but a couple on 1st watch. I do know one thing...that comment made by someone that there is no back up in 008....not on my watch. I'd go to a call to assist a po with a prisoner in my back seat. Iv'e seen po's inside the district prosessing arrests and dropping everything and running out to thier cars when someone is asking for help! 1st watch crew is the best! From the Capt to the cleaning crew! We just need more po's.....working po's.
Someone please confirm this if you know the truth, maybe Al Quida knows.
It was Charlie Williams as Deputy Chief of Patrol that got into a heated row at a 10th district meeting years ago when asked by a sergeant about being trained and equipped for a terrorist attack.
He then said that it wasn't practical to train officers to respond to a 9-11 attack. If that were to happen we should just listen to our radios.
And he could be Superintendent, we are so doomed!
Manpower was lacking longtime ago. But I don't give a fuck. Were in a backlog the whole tour. I go to the jobs, take my time, Come home and have a Coors.
Let the savages kill each other!
WBBM AM NEWS 780 IS NOW REPORTING THERE WERE 51 CALLS ON THE DIRKIN PARK RACIAL ATTACK.
SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG!!!
EITHER THERE ARE NO CARS AND POLICE OFFICERS AND OEC IS GETTING RAILROADED ON THIS TRAGEDY
OR
OEC MAJORILY SCREWED UP, BUT 51 CALLS AND NOT ONE DISPATCH????
I WOULD SUE THE CITY IF I WERE A VICTIM,THANK GOD NO ONE DIED
.YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO DO ANYTHING! YOU KNEW YOU HAD TO LIVE IN THE CITY WHEN YOU TOOK THIS JOB SO QUIT BITCHING ABOUT RESIDENCE....FIND A NEW JON THEN...
7/17/2007 11:24:00 PM
You are the reason the city will always be able to pick us apart. You actually side with the city instead of looking how bad it is here. When I took this job years ago 008 was a great place to live. Now its turned into 26th street with all the mexican gangbangers and guess what no police service to help with these scumbags. So your answer is to accept what is happening and tell other PO's to quit?? You are sir are a moron, let me guess you are still the working police too?? Its time to be a dog because the city isnt going to back you up for anything. Im glad i work in the ghetto cause those mutts dont get one single minute of work out of me, I drive with the blinders on and blow past hand waivers every chance I get. 1st and 16th is where its at.
i have one question regarding this durkin park fight........where the hell were these two hero's ive heard about so much before and how they are the saviors of the 008th district..any quess on the name????i will give you a clue...the soup has the same name as their last name...
what ever happened to the night hawks in st. bedes??????you know the ones..the want to be coppers who rode in their personal cars with police radios and reported crime...i think the only thing left to do to restore crime in this city is to bring the guardian angels to chicago
By the way homicide are down cause the project were elimnated... not because of Tru/ CLine or anything else... They will slowly or maybe not so slowly rise back to the highest levels in the country... One reason being criminals with long rap sheets of violent crimes are silll on the street cause in COok county it is near impossible to get convicted... And then serve a long periond of time... so a guy may shoot someone and be convicted or not and be back out on the street in 18 months... to continue his crime ridden ways...
What crack are you smoking? homicides are up in Area 2 because the projects were eliminated, they were all sent south to areas that were quiet for many years before their arrival, they then set up a tip and let the games begin, 003, 006, 004 005, 022, ask anyone there, closing the jects sent crime skyrocketing....
fuck u who says there is no back-up in 008. I dont care who u are, we are the Chicago police and its time some of u guys act like it. Guys may take a little time to respond to a job but, if u call for help we are coming. Dont blame 008 if it takes time to come from 5500 s western to 8400 s Kolin.
Same team blue.
Maybe we need more cops!
All we have is each other. Dont fall for the media and newspaper crap.
United we stand, divided we fall
4:49....You are so right.
All the section 8's came into nice quiet low crime neighborhoods when the projects were razed. It brought tons of crime. Section 8's are scum. You don't value what you don't pay for.
YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO DO ANYTHING! YOU KNEW YOU HAD TO LIVE IN THE CITY WHEN YOU TOOK THIS JOB SO QUIT BITCHING ABOUT RESIDENCE....FIND A NEW JON THEN...
This sounds like the mindless rant of a company man. I'm going to wager you're a suck hole with political connections just killing time in your current "spot" till your meritorious promotion comes in. You missed the point but I won't bother to expound since the simple act of releasing the CAPS LOCK appears to be a challenge for you.
All districts are in the same boat. Yes, maybe we should disband all those special units that take 3 hour lunches, and have six po's on one bag of weed. And at any given time can be seen at a sporting event anywhere in the city. That's Phil's legacy!
We can all thank Clinton and Daley for closing down the projects. What do u get when u take thousands of poor people, with no education, no jobs, and no self control and unleash them on the middle-class who have those things. OH YEAH 003,004,005,006, and EVEN YES EVEN 022.
Does anyone care about the most recent cop who got arrested twice in two days for dumestic. Yes a TRU officer, one of the city's best and brightest got caught up with a hood rat. But what do u expect when some cop's are cut from the same cloth. Put him in a beat car, instead of having 3 hour lunches and he brags about it. Oh yeah u TRU officers should be putting some money on the books for him at the county.
This is a response to “anonymous” who posted on July 15th .
I am part of that younger generation you mentioned , I am afraid that your right in way , some of my generation wouldn’t mind becoming the police , but its just a paycheck to them. Me on the other hand I have a true passion for the job.
If and when I get on I’ll be 3rd generation so maybe I am one of the few who are out there that actually care about what it means to put on the shield, there are some of us out there believe it or not .
I want to say thanks to all the great things you all do , its not forgotten in my eyes…stay safe !
PS. Does anyone know where they are going to pick the next cadet class ????
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