No Manpower Shortage?
From the west side:
- Dear SCC,
Love the blog. Been following your posting and your readers comments about manpower shortages. Attached is a scan of the First Watch sheets from 05 September of this year. Ya think we're a little short handed?
Keep up the good work!
- (Name withheld by request)
We checked out the sheet he sent. Then, since we didn't need a copy a few dozen star numbers floating around the internet, we blacked out a bunch of stuff and high lighted other stuff. Purple means a down car. Green means a car operating 10-99 (one man), which, according to various sources, isn't supposed to be done during hours of darkness, unless the officer is allowed to waive that? We don't know if that's a rule, regulation or contract letter of agreement. Someone wiser than us can tell us in the comments. Here's the scan:
That shows a district down 10 bodies. On a week night. A month or so ago.
So here's your project boys and girls. Find the sheets (midnights especially) and count how many cars your District is downing on a regular basis. Then maybe someone can take those numbers and stuff them in the throats and asses of anyone who claims we're at full strength.
That shows a district down 10 bodies. On a week night. A month or so ago.So here's your project boys and girls. Find the sheets (midnights especially) and count how many cars your District is downing on a regular basis. Then maybe someone can take those numbers and stuff them in the throats and asses of anyone who claims we're at full strength.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
182 Comments:
Any way to find out how many payroll checks are actually cut and then compare that with the numbers that come out of City Hall?
Did you happen to take notice that two of the down cars are listed as being on the incident control team? Who goes if there is a call for cars from the districts? hmmmmmm?
Wow, I don't know about this Scc. On one hand I would like to light a fire under the city's ass to hire more police, but knowing how business is done around here, all I see is denied time due
Another one of daleys bullshit lies! "We are at full strength" and with his new budget he will hire 50-100 more officers what a crock of shit! Maybe daley can buy more expensive trucks like the 60 he bought just to use to ferry out clout people to the O'Hare construction area! While the airports are using junk vehicles, remember 9-11 assholes? keep giving your clout pay off buddies more and more!
as long as you have p.o.'s such as d.b. hiding within the commander's office for his entire tour the city is not serious about the man power shortage.
Does anyone know if there is a rule, regulation, or letter of contract agreement that prohibits 10-99 cars on 3rd and 1st watches unless you waive it and agree to work 10-99?
holy sh*t.
Isn't first watch (midnights) the busiest shift here?
This is extremely dangerous to our cops...
Is this why G/F Ridge is experiencing an increase in crime? The police blotter has been quite lengthy lately. Is the 008 short, too?
- civilian
shortages...look at some of the districts, calls for service vs. "backlogs" (i.e., no cars available)....citizens/businesses wait, and wait...for police service, sometimes getting NO police service...that's the reality of it all, not enough police units in the field to respond to all of the calls for service...the cops in the field see it....35th Street ignores it...the 5th floor at City Hall is not smart enough to appreciate it...city voters continue to vote Democratic...
UMMM, for a midnight watch that actually looks pretty good. Having as many 10-4 cars as you do you should feel lucky. And actually having a 14, 15, 34, and I think 35 is pretty good too. I worked in a district (cough cough 019) that on mids has damn near every car 99 and has no 14, 15, 24, 25, 34 or 35 beat. I know thats a slow district but this still is the shitty of Chicago and arent all officers protected by the contract? There were some nights there EVERY beat car was 99 and as many as 3 or 4 were downed. gotta love it
you seem surprised by this---this is a regular occurrance city wide --esp on 1st and 2nd watches
Phil Cline told me on the television that we have 13,500 officers!!
I do not like to question authority.
Here is an even better project:
Those of you who work in Personnel at HQ and have access to the REAL number of PO's....post it.
We can then take that number and subtract all at HQ, housemouses, detectives, clout goons in secret little units/spots, etc. and get the rough number of PO's on the street.
I goddamn guarantee you it aint 13,500. In fact I am willing to bet it is under 8,000.
Do I have any takers?
Why doesn't the media cover the fact that the city lies to the public on a daily basis about how many PO's there are? Numbers are numbers, they cannot deny them if approached with facts!
Apparently we have no investigative journalists left.
great posting that... now try and get time-due. the p.o. that sent that to u is a piece of shit. on 1st watch in 011th, they give you whatever time due you want. sometimes u have to take a few more calls and sometimes you're 99. but when you need a day, you get it! never denied. just shutup and go find a hole. that's all. this is an informative site, and i like it, but to those who come here to rat anonymously. go fuck yourselves!
This is a major safety issue. Keep up the heat on this, SCC. FOP should be taking the lead in this issue, but unfortunately they don't seem to be interested.
Yea I think that you can just call Daley's office and ask for them.
How about a certain northwest district with two rapid cars. FIVE cars not manned and one of the rapids sent to the westside for half the tour of duty at the end of the night. WHY? WHERE IS THE MANPOWER AT? 13,500....I have an Olympics to sell you and I'll throw in a casino at no additional charge.
From an earlier post:
GAMES ARE BEING PLAYED AS WE SPEAK ! ! !
Has anyone tried to go on Data Warehouse to find out the personnel reports in the past few days?
The system shows only 2800 are working for the department. The department is fuc%ing around hiding numbers on all of us!!!
I see that this is for a Wednesday night. From what I remember in the academy they said that statistically more officers get killed on Wednesday than any other day.
I worked midnights in 011 for a few years and the watch is very close knit. They have to be really close because we are undermanned and we only have each other to count on. Please reveal the real number of P.O.'s working in the city Mayor Daley before someone gets killed. The city needs to know that the real reason homicides/violent crimes have risen lately is because we don't have enough cops. Someone help us
I worked at 35th street while I was pregnant and the word around the office was that we had around 10,000 coppers in the city. That means we are short 3,000 cops who could be out there answering calls and stopping garage burglaries and muggings. When is enough enough?
I got an idea. Let's start another company of useless TRU officers to patrol the level 2 doc. They are elite afterall.
I backed up a TRU car on a traffic stop tonight. They ended up having three on the trunk. I stoodby in case they needed help. The driver officer reached for his handcuffs which were loose on his belt behind his back...he handcuffed his own cuffs to his belt. And couldn't cuff the bad guys. He casually reached for his cuff key as i watched and tried to unlock the one cuff that was locked to his duty belt behind his belt to no avail. His parnter must have had 2 sets of cuffs and secured them. He seen me watching and walked away to the sidewalk. I drove away. Yes...they are the elite.
Gotta love the pre-planned incident control team. I certainly hope nothing hits the fan, because according to the sheet, the incident control team consists of two cars that are down. Not only is the district short, but in the case of a real emergency, the incident control team would be sent 2 cars short.
If i am the new SUP...
TRU dispanded and sent to 007, 011, 015 to learn how to be the police.
Rapids are mannned. Incident cars are manned.
No bullshit 1/4 of a blunt arrest allowed or drinking a beer either.
What's the difference, there is a Lt. there on 3rd watch that sent a p.o. home for not shaving a couple days ago, so his manpower couldn't have been that bad that he would lose a body because he didn't shave. What a fucking stroke job, he will kill this watch....
If 011 is so short, why don't they ever have openings???????
How many people took the night off?
Cannot use the payroll numbers, too many people hidden inside. Way too many people working inside.
Lets see. We have to send beat cars into the station to grab the squad roll (We use to have one squad roll per sector 3!) Most semi-busy districts are in a RAP more than Ice-T and Foxy Brown. Many P.O.'s are denied CU time. But we are at full power and all is well if you ask any boss. That's because nobody will tell any person with rank that things are all screwed up. All they tell the bosses is that WOW WHAT A GREAT JOB YOUR DOING AS THEY HAVE THEIR NOSES UP THEIR ASSES!
Back in the 90's, I had the pleasure (sic) of being a sgt. (3rd watch, late car) in 011 with a lot of good young P>O>'s working WITH me. The same thing;at roll call we would remind them that around 2300 hrs. when the early cars went in for check off and the early midnight cars have'nt hit the street yet, it was a much "thinner blue line" and to be "very, very, careful". Things appear to have gotten only worser.
All the whiners complain about so called manpower- as if they are experts. When Jane Byrne was mayor, she froze hiring. There was a real shortage. You worked a one man car or you were off the watch. Oh, and we had real crime then and more calls than we could handle.
The problem is not manpower, the problem is policy- send a car on every call, no matter how ridiculous or silly; send a car.
Now you want it both ways. You want manpower and you want to take your time due when you want it, regardless of manpower needs. You people are really something; entitlement babies, just like the welfare people.
Why is it that all sheets are different? Each watch seems to use its own type.
Reminds me of the 1st "MAD MAX" movies where there were 4 Cops for hundreds of square miles of lawless land.
Maybe the one or two real investigative reporters in this kingdom will pickup on this!!!
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great posting that... now try and get time-due. the p.o. that sent that to u is a piece of shit. on 1st watch in 011th, they give you whatever time due you want. sometimes u have to take a few more calls and sometimes you're 99. but when you need a day, you get it! never denied. just shutup and go find a hole. that's all. this is an informative site, and i like it, but to those who come here to rat anonymously. go fuck yourselves!
If you follow the news and current lawsuits actually WON by the FOP, you'd realize the City ISN'T permitted to make up the shortages by denying Time Due. They either have to down the car (a political hot potato for coverage issues) or pay officers time-and-one-half on their RDO's to man the car. We don't see that as a bad thing. Plus we get to prove Daley and 35th Street liars. Again
Very easy to check working/paid manpower...... The FOP roles and the pension board will have the exact numbers you are looking for. They have to be paid by the city and they sure wouldn't over pay.
SCC, I say you host a Wrestlemania type event pitting all the different types of police against each other. 1) GED vs. Overeducated police 2) Hair gel vs. Bald spots 3) Steroid kids vs. Beer bellied old timers 4) Busy district tough guys vs. North side latte drinkers and in the main event..... Blue Toofs vs. Blackberries
Anonymous said...
Is this why G/F Ridge is experiencing an increase in crime? The police blotter has been quite lengthy lately. Is the 008 short, too?
- civilian
10/14/2007 12:39:00 AM
Is the Pope German?
True story! On Friday, a 023 district 2nd watch officer wrote Alderman Tom Tunney a traffic ticket for using his cellphone while driving. The officer is a softball, but I applaud his zero tolerance enforcement. Commander 023 received notice of this and demanded that the Alderman's DL be returned to his residence. Cmdr. Yami was very upset and this officer will now be shipped to midnights due to enforcing the law against a connected person.
The Keesing Bandit says--
Jane didn't freeze hiring--Harold did.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
"I was a Sgt. in 011...things have only gotten worser..."
Merit nominations for lieutenant have been suspended,
Anonymous said...
shortages...look at some of the districts, calls for service vs. "backlogs" (i.e., no cars available)....citizens/businesses wait, and wait...for police service, sometimes getting NO police service...that's the reality of it all, not enough police units in the field to respond to all of the calls for service...the cops in the field see it....35th Street ignores it...the 5th floor at City Hall is not smart enough to appreciate it...city voters continue to vote Democratic...
10/14/2007 12:48:00 AM
Not that this is a fix, - the department needs to be brought up to strength - but stop sending the police to every request that could be handled on the phone. ie. burglary, theft of auto, cdtp and everything else that is not in progress.
Hey SCC,
I haven't read the comments yet so I don't know if anyone else noticed but do you see the list of Incident Control Team? 2 of the 3 beat cars are down and the 3rd is 99. So if an incident occurs the Sgt and a 99 car are handling it?
Bad News Tuesday 16 OCT 2007
Your long awaited Federal Indictments will be announced in the SOS saga. Top bosses included. Take it to the bank!
The indictments will be sealed and unavailble for viewing.
********FOR SCC**********
Im sure you saw this but===
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/602276,CST-NWS-cop14.article
Anonymous said...
as long as you have p.o.'s such as d.b. hiding within the commander's office for his entire tour the city is not serious about the man power shortage.
10/14/2007 12:07:00 AM
Donny is J.C.'s right hand man at the airport. And he isn't hiding in the commander's office, he was only looking for something under the commander's desk, perfectly explainable.
To the gen x,y,z-ers, you are the police. If a job requires two p.o's then wait for the assist, put it on the air. You do NOT have to get hurt for the job.
Many moons ago in a very busy south side district there were many nights all 99, with one wagon. This is pre-rapids, just beat cars. Talking to friends in other districts at the time the same was often true.
Time-due was plentiful, no one
really bitched. We backed each other up and took our time.
Safety first.
You can write paper all day justifying this.
FYI, the big difference was, we rotated so each watch had a good balance of po's with various amounts of time on the job. You x,y,z-ers suffer from not rotating watches. The camaraderie is not the same.
Stay safe one and all!!
Manpower shortage?
The problem is mismanagement of manpower resources,i.e.,clout babies working needlessly inside. We all know where the CB's are hidden and the department knows it too. It will never change.
great posting that... now try and get time-due. the p.o. that sent that to u is a piece of shit. on 1st watch in 011th, they give you whatever time due you want. sometimes u have to take a few more calls and sometimes you're 99. but when you need a day, you get it! never denied. just shutup and go find a hole. that's all. this is an informative site, and i like it, but to those who come here to rat anonymously. go fuck yourselves!
More like one hell of a safety issue. What a company man!
I worked 1st watch in 011 for 5 years and we were always short like that but we always had great bosses and good Sgts. and everybody usually backed each other up. Time due wasn't hard to get either, but I could never understand why some 1st watch districts like 013 and 012 had 06 cars and 2 or 3 traffic cars up on the same nights we were thin. I think if that if neighboring districts are short or over-manned they should be able to balance the manpower out by borrowing extra P/O's from other districts or hire back for time and a half because our safety should never be compromised!
What about the South Side districts?
Plenty of times I had to work 99 on a primary beat car, with another primary beat car down, and seven 10-4 units.
Is this why G/F Ridge is experiencing an increase in crime? The police blotter has been quite lengthy lately. Is the 008 short, too?
- civilian
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The west side of 8 has been neglected for a while. It's not the P.O.'s fault crime is picking up on the west, tax-paying, end of 8. Last week, two ten-sector cars were down, a 30 sector car was down, and one of the 20 sector cars was the wagon. Beat 812 was getting pulled over east of Kedzie to answer calls leaving G/R and Clearing with-out police service. Any tax-paying citizen living west of Cicero should start complaining to the alderman or let Summit Police incorporate the west end of 8 so we can start getting police service / protection over here before it gets any worse.
Anonymous said...
Here is an even better project:
Those of you who work in Personnel at HQ and have access to the REAL number of PO's....post it.
We can then take that number and subtract all at HQ, housemouses, detectives, clout goons in secret little units/spots, etc. and get the rough number of PO's on the street.
I goddamn guarantee you it aint 13,500. In fact I am willing to bet it is under 8,000.
Do I have any takers?
10/14/2007 12:57:00 AM
the number they give is always including the detectives, house mice, and clout units. they will never give you the number of who is in patrol. do it yourself on the pc . it is easy.
take a peek at the sheets on third watch in 020. they NEVER have any rapids,,and the beat cars arent all 10-4. They have roll calls at 3pm and 4 pm only..with a handful of people..Hmm I know it is slow there..but what happened to officer safety??? Dispatch routinely sends 99 cars to residential alarms, susp vehicle with occupants...etc etc . YOYO there- YOURE ON YOUR OWN
"Now you want it both ways. You want manpower and you want to take your time due when you want it, regardless of manpower needs. You people are really something; entitlement babies, just like the welfare people.
10/14/2007 07:58:00 AM"
BOOOO WAHHHHHH!!!! WELL SAID
D.B. WHO SPENDS HIS DAY WITH HIS COMMANDER FOR HIS TOUR IS THAT THE SAME DON BARRETT WHO HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS?
"and get the rough number of PO's on the street. I goddamn guarantee you it aint 13,500. In fact I am willing to bet it is under 8,000."
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Nobody ever said 13,500 were guaranteed for patrol. You think there shoud be over 500 P.O.s in each District? No dic's, E.T.'s, etc? Why is 13,500 such a magic number for beat cars? It's a number the city came up with, so why is it legit? SCC you sometimes post some interesting stuff, but most of your posters are whiney-ass reactionaries. I can read your post and predict 75% of your reader postings.
The meida should also pick up on the fact that by dept. rules If detailed out of your district to any unit you will be carried by the district until 90 days, after that you will be assigned to that unit then. There are P.O.'s in units for over 10-12 years and the district which he/she is from is STILL carrying them on their ANA sheets. SO downtown can boost that ALL districts have the correct manpower. They only follow the rules WHEN it is good for them. Something has to be done. 3rd/1st watch are ALWAYS short no matter what district.
FACTS!!!!!!
10155 P.O.S
1555 DETS
1305 SGTS
272 LTS
72 CAPTS
Over 100 exempts
This info is on data wharehouse with names, stars etc... STOP crying about manpower and begin to wonder where all the bodies actually are assigned. DO THE MATH easily it is 13500, I did not include the other positions like Canine Handler, Mounted Police Bomb Tech and E.T. easily adding over 200 more people. Maybe just maybe you should ask where all the people actually are working??? On Medical??? IOD etc??? STOP CRYING AND JUST WORK!!! You don't like Chicago, the P.D.?? Then quit!!! No one forced you to take the job and no one is making you stay, crying like a child is fruitless. This BLOG is a source of unsustained gossip and dissention. Most people read garbage on here and would say there is no difference between this blog, the rag times or the scum tribune. Sometimes this blog can take a very similar position to the media!!!
SCC: Riddle me this! Do you think the Dept. will pay a P.O. on RDO time and 1/2 to man a car? If the rule states time due must be approved 48 hours in advance, do you think a WC will approve the multiple requests for emergency time due, received an hour before start time? Do you think there will be any informal acceptance of the late call, " Boss I'm running a little late". No the answer will be, "If your'e late here is your SPAR". "If you don't report for duty, due to any of the many excuses, answer this AWOP. Oh! how about the city getting rid of C/U all together. Officer you worked overtime, here is your pay. I know, I know, the FOP won't allow this! I know I have faith in the FOP, NOT! Well ask the 35th St. crew if this isn't under consideration. Well anyhow, thanks to the few who sued and our stellar FOP, this job is nothing more than a factory job! Gotta go and get in line at the clock to punch out.
I did the numbers and posted it. The post contined districts 1-25 and since we are ones who get assigned jobs. Look back in the history of the blog and see for yourself. SCC posted it as a stand alone subject. SCAREY NUMBERS!!!!
This is a secret? To who? The only people in the city that dont know how short we truly are are the citizens. The bosses lie to everyone. The politicians lie to everyone and we look like the assholes. This is EVERY district and EVERY watch in this city. The FOP needs to start showing this shit and calling their own press conferences to highlight this shit. Fuck the olympics and this shitty city. Get the truth out
is 008 short? HOLY SHIT! 008 is incredibly short! i feel for the people on the west end of 008, if you truly need the police run across Hrlem and call Summit PD. Honestly, you have a better chance that way of getting quick service. I apologize to the working citizens of the city that cant get police service, but you keep voting DICK DALEY in and here we go again
10,000? NO WAY. I bet closer to 7500-8000 MAX
It appears that at least 6 people have TD or BFD/DOH etc...blame the W/C for that..he created the unsafe environment...that equates to the 3 down cars...
What is full strength? The fact is this: Are we going to augment our current patrol division compliment with new academy assholes molded by false confidence and know it all attitudes? I say we are fine the way we are. 1 retires then hire 1. Fuck all these new assholes. The academy ruins them before they hit the street.
If you follow the news and current lawsuits actually WON by the FOP, you'd realize the City ISN'T permitted to make up the shortages by denying Time Due. They either have to down the car (a political hot potato for coverage issues) or pay officers time-and-one-half on their RDO's to man the car. We don't see that as a bad thing. Plus we get to prove Daley and 35th Street liars. Again
10/14/2007 08:37:00 AM
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has that passed through yet? as far as i know it hasnt. capt on 1st watch in 003 still denies us.
SCC:
You are wrong, wrong, wrong.
There was no need to post the district or watch. You have screwed those coppers who want (and deserve) time due.
You can claim that this federal district court ruling prevents the dept. from blocking time due, but that is a LONG way off. Even the judge told the city and FOP to work out a deal; and, if the city appeals, it'll be years before this gets sorted out.
In the meantime, you put a lot of heat on some good coppers.
I know that you are happy with all the publicity you are getting from the scumtimes, but you can't let that go to your head. YOU have now expanded this blog to civil and criminal defense lawyers, reporters, and criminals.
Sometimes, I'm having a hard time telling the difference between this blog and the scumtimes.
There is no requirement to put two man cars out at night...
Does anyone know if there is a rule, regulation, or letter of contract agreement that prohibits 10-99 cars on 3rd and 1st watches unless you waive it and agree to work 10-99?
10/14/2007 12:33:00 AM
NO THERE IS NOT
crime blotter:
http://www.swnewsherald.com/
news_inside/2007/10/
101207c_crime.php
why not let us work our RDO in our own district on a rotating basis. FlOP and the idiot mayor to figure out.
I for one would work at least 2 of my rdo's for time and a half.
hey Marky Donahue...put down the scotch and do something for a change.
HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS DO WE HAVE? SHOULDNT BE TO HARD TO FIND OUT.... HEY FOP!!! WE KNOW THAT 99% OF THE MEN IN BLUE ARE IN THE UNION. WHY DONT YOU GIVE US A COUNT? THEN WE COULD SUBTRACT THE D2A'S ... IF FOP IS ON OUR SIDE ON THIS (WHICH THEY SHOULD BE AFTERALL WE PAY THEIR SALARIES) THEY SHOULD GLADLY PROVIDE US WITH THE NUMBERS.
WHY IS ANYONE COMPLAINING....YOU IDIOTS ARE STILL ARRESTING PEOPLE AND WRITING PARKING TICKETS....SO WHAT IF WE ARE UNDER STAFFED. THE CITY KNOWS WE ARE GOING TO STOP WORKING HARD. WE ARE OUR WORST ENEMY.
The less officers on the street, the less probability for problems. That's the city way!!
Signed, Da Mayor
In the 90s as a dispatcher covering third/first watches, this was already a regular occurence in 011 on weekend nights in the summer.
It was weird having sergeants taking paper for shootings, and the troops on 1st watch in 011 at the time were as good as they come. But my impression was always that the shortage there was due to liberal granting of time due, and a failure by the city and Hillard to adequately (over)staff the watch knowing how much time due was being accrued in 011.
First watch in 011 was notable though. Some nights you'd have more shooting victims than police working the streets at 0200. Definitely could not say that about any other district and watch.
Show a 4th district sheet please please please. 2nd biggest district in the city and it seems to have the least amount on the street. I hear they fuck the people that live on 433 even more on midnights often downing the car. havent seen a single squad car on my block in almost 3 weeks.
the actual number last month was 9,234 officers
Anonymous said...
If 011 is so short, why don't they ever have openings???????
10/14/2007 04:52:00 AM
LOL...awesome comment!!
Anonymous said...
I worked midnights in 011 for a few years and the watch is very close knit. They have to be really close because we are undermanned and we only have each other to count on. Please reveal the real number of P.O.'s working in the city Mayor Daley before someone gets killed. The city needs to know that the real reason homicides/violent crimes have risen lately is because we don't have enough cops. Someone help us
10/14/2007 03:31:00 AM
Keep your head up.
011 is a man's district and you have something to proud of!!!
FTO Program= Federal Take Over
SOS= Ship Out Starks
Funny how 009's DC asked 35th St not to allow any SOS into his dist? Sources at SFG heard old Roy was crying about having to take any SOS officers. Ha! He knows the Feds are getting ready to blast his OWN officers...Say hi to JF and KH you thieving bastards!
-025 officer
The fault for this problem lies with US. The coppers who patrol the streets of Chicago. We have to do make some noise about this. We must contact members of the media, write letters and expose this lie of 13,500 coppers as a LIE. Oh I can't wait for some of the negative replies to my post. All I hear is negative news on this blog. When we are confronted with a problem, we have to seek a solution and if your only response is "it wont' work", "you are an idiot", "no one cares about us", "Daley is a...", etc... then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution! BECOME a part of the solution!
For all you fucks that deny the manpower shortage we have and say their isn't one, you are so full of shit.
For starters so you don't use TRU or other units as an excuse, years ago - we too have lots and lots of units manned to the hilt.
I worked in Englewood years and years ago. We had every car up and manned 10-4. There were anywhere from 2 wagons up, 2 traffic cars up, 3 incident cars up, hospital car up, a park car up, a full desk crew, extra man in lockup, a mall car and yes even foot posts. Thats including troops detailed out to units.
SCC=Second City Crybabies.
With more than a few stool pidgeon back stabbers thrown in for good measure.
Are you saying on any given shift there should be 34 officers on the street during a shift if everything is full?
Gawd, I got 34 gangbangers just on my street alone. Talk about outnumbered.
If you are tired of letting the city get away with undermanning the police cars which puts the citizens in danger then contact the Chicago Tribune at http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/site/chi-email-newstips,0,847674.customform
!!!!!!!!!NEW MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the most exclusive beat in the entire City of Chicago BT.1824 their has been no beat car on first watch in almost 2 YEARS… Just the foot guys who are busy with the taverns and clubs. So all of the big Daley contributors have no police service….. All of you reporters that live on that beat…. have no police service on 1st watch…….. I guess that it will take another Migland (not sure about the spelling) murder to wake these people up!!!!! Or a news reporter raped in her house on 1st watch fro you people to wake up!!!!!!
THIS MESSAGE GOES OUT TO MY HERO, BERWYN POLICE CHIEF, WILLIAM KUSCHNER, CHIEF, I WAS VISITING AN ELDERLY AUNT WHO RESIDES IN BERWYN, WELL AS I WAS LEAVING THE OTHER NIGHT, ONE OF YOUR FINEST MAKES A TRAFFIC STOP ON A COUPLE OF SHITHEADS, WELL I STOPPED TOO BECAUSE I ALWAYS BELIEVE WE ARE ALL BLUE ANY WAY. WELL WITHIN SECONDS THREE MORE SQUADS ARRIVE ON THE SIDE, THE SHITHEADS WERE ORDERED OUT OF CAR ONE AT A TIME. AND ALL WERE HANDCUFFED AND PLACED INTO CUSTODY, ALSO I WAS IMPRESSED THAT THE TOW TRUCK ARRIVED 5 MINUTES LATER AND TOWED DUDES CAR . TO BE FRANK I THOUGHT I WAS WATCHING COPS. TELL YOUR GUYS GOOD WORK AND BE SAFE, PS I STILL THINK YOU SHOULD BE CPD'S NEXT SUPT.
I love hearing the district go into a backlog and shortly afterward officers asking for pod or curfew missions. Same with all the BS anonymous disturbances, truants, and kids smoking pot in public. The only dispatcher that can cheer me up while dispatching all that BS is George working 25. You may say I have it easy working 3rd watch in 25th but it ain't so.
I say ignore all calls except in-progress violent/property crimes. If people want to get drunk or high let them, as long as they don't bother anyone that's none of our business. If someone wants a report make them walk their asses into a station and maybe give them a flash if appropriate.
I still haven't been told in my 4 years on the force what the fuck a wolf pack mission or working the dock are and quite frankly I could care less.
10-99?
Why don't you slow-roll to that shooting/stabbing while I try aimlessly to get another car to roll.
Also, why the hell is every cop turning a blind eye to scrappers? TAKING COPPER WIRE FROM ABANDONED BUILDINGS IS BURGLARY!! It's no longer just mexicans, it's blacks with no foreign accent trying to support a habit. Just take a look at Washburne Trade School, Riss Elementary School, and all the other honestly owned tax paying businesses ruined by copper burglars. Million dollar buildings are reduced to structurally unsafe wrecks. Drywall doesen't stop them, they rip right through it. To get the most for their copper they burn the insulation off the wire inside wooden frame buildings, that's how most of the deadly fires in abandonments start.
10/14
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No the copper that sent that never said a thing to rat out anybody. Now you on the other hand,loud mouthed dumb ass that you are just told the whole department including 35th street and all the media and every other asshole that reads this blog what that 1st watch in 011 does. Who worries about "rats" when we have dumb ass loud mouths like you around?
Citywide anywhere from 375 to 750 officers working the street on the 1st watch. Doesn't seem like a lot. Daley is more concerned about the planters being pruned and watered and flowers planted in Grant Park than with the security of the city. But he doesn't need officers because his cameras can take the place of 10 officers and not hit the medical or ask for a raise. Daley can't outsource the police department, but he has figured out a way to work with less. The 13,500 figure is used for budget purposes. Since the department is short, where does the money allocated for the officers not on the job go? City budgets for 13k but only 11k really on payroll, 2k ghost workers is a lot of pay going someplace. Any ideas?
Your not gonna get more POs, your gonna be micromanaged more on jobs. Dept is already reviewing historical data on the time officers take on specific jobs and compiling a time frame, for each call, for supevisors to do follow-ups. Additionally reviewing times to travel beats, so you'll be held tighter to staying on your beat. More baby sitting for supervisors.
YOU PEOPLE BITCH WHEN THEY DENY TIME DUE AND WHEN THEY GIVE EVERYONE TIME DUE YOU BITCH ABOUT MANPOWER....BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH..........we get paid good money for what we do and don't do. Whether your still busting your ass in a busy District or watching movies in the squad in 018....-shut up and quit whining, if you don't like this job then quit! Pimp the job..don't let the job pimp you!!!
great posting that... now try and get time-due. the p.o. that sent that to u is a piece of shit. on 1st watch in 011th, they give you whatever time due you want. sometimes u have to take a few more calls and sometimes you're 99. but when you need a day, you get it! never denied. just shutup and go find a hole. that's all. this is an informative site, and i like it, but to those who come here to rat anonymously. go fuck yourselves!
10/14/2007 01:30:00 AM
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Apparently the safety of your fellow officers isn't a concern for you. But, I'm glad you get your time off. Check out the sheets on midnights in 018 (you can say it is a slow district but until you work there on midnights you will not understand). The entire 20 sector (Cabrini) is down and there are usually at least 5-8 one man cars. Don't care what anyone says about not being able to get time off - IT IS NOT SAFE!!!! Maybe this is exactly what this city needs - some honesty from the people actually out there doing the work and being abused. I love my job and won't complain about it, but I love my life more and my safety and the safety of those I work with is #1 to me at all times.
Do I have any takers?
Yes, the department has 13,500 sworn personnel, not 13,500 beat cops, when will you beat offs understand this? sgts, lts, dets, capt, and exempt make up that total. Jesus you people are retarded.
I backed up a TRU car on a traffic stop tonight. They ended up having three on the trunk. I stoodby in case they needed help. The driver officer reached for his handcuffs which were loose on his belt behind his back...he handcuffed his own cuffs to his belt. And couldn't cuff the bad guys. He casually reached for his cuff key as i watched and tried to unlock the one cuff that was locked to his duty belt behind his belt to no avail. His parnter must have had 2 sets of cuffs and secured them. He seen me watching and walked away to the sidewalk. I drove away. Yes...they are the elite.
LOL yes and this has never happened to anyone else right? you are a dickhead, instead of sitting there watching maybe you could have hopped out and lend a hand to the guy, and then laugh about it, it must be nice to be so perfect, what a stroke,,,,
TRU dispanded and sent to 007, 011, 015 to learn how to be the police.
Rapids are mannned. Incident cars are manned.
No bullshit 1/4 of a blunt arrest allowed or drinking a beer either.
That's where most of them came from, busy districts, that "learn how to be the police," line is really played out already; and nobody makes any bs pinches in any of those districts right? please, maybe we can ship all those bs drinkers and blunt smokers to the front of your house and see how bs they are then.... what a tool
SCC,
I work midnights in 011 and I remember this day. Our unit had a golf outing for an injured P.O. that morning (04SEP07). So as you can expect, most of the P.O.s' on the watch took off for this reason. We raised a lot of money for this P.O. and were thankful that so many showed up to contribute. And as 10/14/07 0130 pointed out, on midnights in 011, we've been lucky enough to have some
really great bosses who wouldn't deny our time-due requests. For those who worked, I thank them. I'm sure they feel the same way when they take off and I'm working. Whoever sent that sheet, shouldn't have ( my own opinion ). We take care of ourselves on midnights in 011. Even when we are down a few cars, you ALWAYS have backup on your jobs. Plain and simple. This might not happen in other districts, but then again, that's why I still work here instead of bidding out. Don't take this SHEET as anything more than trying to help a fellow P.O. out. Thanks for the time and love the blog.
All the whiners complain about so called manpower- as if they are experts. When Jane Byrne was mayor, she froze hiring. There was a real shortage. You worked a one man car or you were off the watch. Oh, and we had real crime then and more calls than we could handle.
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The hiring freeze was put in by Harold Washington after he tried unsuccessfully to lay many of us off.
No time due? Are you serious. The manpower shortage is a very VERY serious issue that needs to be fixed. And yet folks get on here and whine about not getting their time due. This is teh problem with this department, no one sticks together, stands up for each other or tells the truth. Wah, wah, I want my time due....how about we fix the problem? Report the numbers.
IF WE HAVE A MAN SHORTAGE WHY ARE TAC AND GANG TEAMS LEAVING 3 HOURS EARLY EVERYDAY?
What's the difference, there is a Lt. there on 3rd watch that sent a p.o. home for not shaving a couple days ago, so his manpower couldn't have been that bad that he would lose a body because he didn't shave. What a fucking stroke job, he will kill this watch....
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Why did the Lt. just have him go to a store and buy a razor and cream, and have him shave? If not an option, note it with paperwork? Or say "shave by tomorrow's roll call".
Or could it be this story is not true?
008 DISTRICT OVER THIS WEEKEND.....We had six 99-cars on the sheets....835 >(K.E.) of course out of the bat gets a DUI....and 813 >(F.A.)...of which suddenly came out of summer hibernation was always taking her sweet time on shit. Thank god we only had a couple of 10-1's.
Will Mr. Fitzgerald or someone--anyone--take those fucking flower planters, wrought iron fences, bribery and corruption, clout, no-bid city contracts and his Olympic bullshit and shove it up the Stuttering Prick's ass.
PUH-LEEEEEEEEEASE!
SCC, you need to read the lawsuit regarding the overtime. It only applies to FLSA overtime which does not include all comptime. You only earn FLSA overtime after 171 hours in a cycle (28 day period). Most P/O's dont have any FLSA time. TAC or specialize units may earn enough comptime to have FLSA time. The FOP seems to imply that it applies to all comptime this is just not true.
LOOK WE HAVE 8900 police ...thats how many checks where cut...call fop see how mant active duty police we have and not sgt or LTs
Dist say no more time due on 31 dec 2007 also you must give a 92hr notice,,,whats wrong with this..did we win or what
From an OEMC dispatcher: The 3rd watch, not the 1st watch has a higher volume of calls. Therefore from the calltaking perspective, 3rd watch cars are the hardest hit for handling dispatch calls. Thats a fact and it may be a big reason why 1st watch gets shorted when it comes to manpower--2nd watch provides visibility for the public and 3rd watch actually has higher call volume to deal with so the logical thing is to short 1st watch when theoretically less is happening and no one is awake to pay attention. As a roving relief dispatcher who works overnights, i can emphatically agree that almost every single district is undermanned on 1st watch. It is not unusual to see 2-5 beat cars down in any given district (the exception: some districts do have traffic cars on 1st watch). I have long wondered when the press and the public will figure out this smoke and mirrors game that is constantly played within the city when it comes to OEMC and CPD
Midnights in 019 is so over strength that it is embarassing. The have every car manned and frequently many two man cars get zero (-0-) as in NO jobs all night.
1st Watch in 019 has so many bodies they keep two sets of sheets, only one set having the true cars put up and the other public sheets which show a lesser amount. They are probably the only district to have two sets of sheets to hide a manpower SURPLUS.
This is not a joke, ask 1st Watch Officers in 019. The district as a whole is down from authorized strength but it is the other watches, mainly 2nd, who suffer for the excess of manpower on 1st watch by being even more shorthanded.
So whatever shortage there is, it sure isn't on 1st watch in 019. The vacant lot at one well known hole looks like a police parking lot at night.
You have obviously never worked south, 011 is the only real "busy" district in area4 now, I know 010 and 012 used to be busy, but they really aren't any more, 013 is dead and 001 is 001, area2 is way worse, 003, 004, 005, 006, and the south end of 022 are all busy all the time, area2 sucks!
Why did the Lt. just have him go to a store and buy a razor and cream, and have him shave? If not an option, note it with paperwork? Or say "shave by tomorrow's roll call".
Or could it be this story is not true?
Oh, its true alright, you have to know the LT. to understand.... absolutely true.
Anonymous said...
If 011 is so short, why don't they ever have openings???????
10/14/2007 04:52:00 AM
Because between 25%-33% are detailed out to other units, some are in TRU, most are in Gang Intel, Narcotics, etc...
SNOPES says ,"manpower shortage in CPD--Not true. Sworn people and bodies hidden away in units like traffic records, ERPS, and a maze of 35th street sucks, medical roles and city hall hidey holes --TRUE!!!
SCC, you need to read the lawsuit regarding the overtime. It only applies to FLSA overtime which does not include all comptime. You only earn FLSA overtime after 171 hours in a cycle (28 day period). Most P/O's dont have any FLSA time. TAC or specialize units may earn enough comptime to have FLSA time. The FOP seems to imply that it applies to all comptime this is just not true.
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Read the FOP newsletter.
The Cmdr. of 23 is a clear excellent of what is wrong with the merit promotions; however, b/c he is asian everyone overlooks it and thinks he made it on his own. He is as bad as all the other non-deserving merit promotions. Merit promotions are good for this department so long as they are deserving of such promotion.
OFF TOPIC:
Can anyone confirm an encounter between the news media and coppers outside of Dugan's. I won't be specific but would like to know.
I don't know if this means anything, but the other day at work one of the guys went online to bring up the seniority list for payroll code9161 (Patrolman)and it listed just over 10,000 names and Star numbers. I don't know where they are all hiding.
The problem that law enforcement is facing these days are the idiot politicians that keep telling the public that they support the police, all while slashing manpower and budgets. CPD is hurting as far as manpower goes, but I don't think even Mayor Daley would threaten to lay off 90% of the Chicago PD. Our fearless governor, however, has no such qualms, and is threatening to lay off 90% of the Illinois State Police unless lawmakers approve key budget legislation soon. Both Daley and Blago need to get booted out of office and replaced with someone who has common sense.
Hey, kids. Read your contract.
Fome sun down to sun up, must be two-person manned vehicles unless a person asks to work 10-99.
MY FIRST GUESS IS THE STORY ABOUT THE LT. SENDING A MAN HOME FOR NOT SHAVING IS FALSE. MY SECOND OPINION IS THAT THIS LAZY FUCKER HAS SHOWN UP ILL PREPARED FOR WORK MORE THAN A FEW TIMES, AND THE LT. HAD HAD ENOUGH OF IT, AND SENT HIM HOME W/O PAY AS AN EXAMPLE, HOPING TO WAKE HIS SORRY ASS UP. IF THE SECOND SCENARIO IS TRUE, I DON'T FAULT THE BOSS AT ALL. MAYBE THIS GUY WAS A WORTHLESS FUCK WHO MADE SURE HE WAS UNAVAILABLE WHENEVER THE SHIT HIT THE FAN ANYWAY. IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT DISTRICT ACTUALLY LOST A REAL POLICEMAN OUT OF THE LINEUP THAT WAY ANYHOW. SOMETIMES, YOU GOTTA TREAT A WORTHLESS PRICK EXACTLY LIKE HOW HE/SHE IS. JUST MY OPINION, BUT MAYBE WE NEED MORE BOSSES LIKE THIS.
Memo to City Hall:
You will see a mass exodus of retirees about the time of the Olympics (if Chicago gets it). This will be the 29th and 30th year anniversary of the 86 and 87 recruit classes. I would bet there were at least 1500 recruits that were hired then. Some have already pulled the plug now at 20 years. Your anticipation of hiring 50 to 100 for the year of 2008 is a joke. Keep on hiring 100 recruits a year and you will absolutely have no man power for the Olympics let alone to patrol Chicago or do the follow-up detective investigations at that time.
I was working a 99 car in the early nineties in 11 on the second watch and in 17 a 99 car on third and first watch. No such thing as 2 man cars even then.
In regards to 008 and the west end. Their is a petition being circulated to annex a new District...Pulaski on the east, south to 71st...west to city limits. This will be a mistake. Imagine how many cars will be "scratched" , how many times the Tact Teams will be detailed out etc. City isn't going to hire more police to man the District, they'll just move some bodies around. If you know anyone in 008 considering signing this petition,tell them don't. Instead, DEMAND that 008 be manned properly on all watches. Imagine if all Rapids were up, two wagons (72 and 45S), two Tact/Gang Teams etc. Wow, i'd like to hear 842 and 847 on all three watches for a change. Screw the petition, demand the District get manned. No more "Daley for Mayor" posters until he put's up. Do the same in 16, 22 as well. The only way it'll get done is you hit him where it hurts..at election time !!!
WELL RETARD,13500 you must be the kool-AID DRinker.WE HAVE 8900 police officers..THAT WITH DET.SGTs and LTs..SO get off the blog STARKS...we dont drin kool-aid here,SO go get on ur knees somewhere else,and try to fool someone else.Go to 35th st and a hide .a leave the real police work to us, anonmous MR 13500.
Yes, the department has 13,500 sworn personnel, not 13,500 beat cops, when will you beat offs understand this? sgts, lts, dets, capt, and exempt make up that total. Jesus you people are retarded.
10/14/2007 02:50:00 PM
Nice try KOOL AID Drinker
Whatever happened to civilians doing some jobs usually done by P/Os? Some desk crews have a sgt. and three P/Os,why? My opinion is unless you're Det.,E.T/Crime Lab., Marine unit,HBT,lock-up,you should be in a beat car or walking a foot post. The tactical teams should concentrate on their dist. knuckleheads,not nonsense.
WOW- what a difference a lot of years makes. When I was there we had all the cars up as well as 2 06 cars and 4 on the desk and dont forget 10 20 and 30. sometimes you would even see the capt and fld lt in the same room. A LOT of good coppers were there when I was there going around the clock. HECK how about an Albany Inn reunion.
Then Z got there and the mass exodus started then after that TRU.
HEY CHICAGO DONT SLEEP BETTER CAUSE THE POLICE ARE OUT THERE. Cause its like this all over the place not just filth mo' I mean harrison.
Both Daley and Blago need to get booted out of office and replaced with someone who has common sense.
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Good luck, the next two idiots will act the same.
We need as a nation to stop voting into office rich people who do not represents us who only try to give lame sound bites and smile on camera.
Rich lawyers, business personel, and bankers do not give a shit nor care about the middle class. (police manpower to lawsuits about everything)
How about electing teachers, mechanics, truckers, and homeless dudes, at least they see the real world because they live in it, and can maybe produce some tort reform.
I backed up a TRU car on a traffic stop tonight. They ended up having three on the trunk. I stoodby in case they needed help. The driver officer reached for his handcuffs which were loose on his belt behind his back...he handcuffed his own cuffs to his belt. And couldn't cuff the bad guys. He casually reached for his cuff key as i watched and tried to unlock the one cuff that was locked to his duty belt behind his belt to no avail. His parnter must have had 2 sets of cuffs and secured them. He seen me watching and walked away to the sidewalk. I drove away. Yes...they are the elite.
LOL yes and this has never happened to anyone else right? you are a dickhead, instead of sitting there watching maybe you could have hopped out and lend a hand to the guy, and then laugh about it, it must be nice to be so perfect, what a stroke,,,,
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You are not the police, I know from the first day to the last day on the job PO's will make mistakes, bless it was not an injury or fatal one this time. Back the PO up.
Hey, kids. Read your contract.
Fome sun down to sun up, must be two-person manned vehicles unless a person asks to work 10-99.
10/14/2007 07:41:00 PM
BULL, name the chapter and verse on it, because it doesn't exist.
10/14/2007 12:01:00 AM- Bet ya a dollar those vehicles were bought with Homeland Security funds.
10/14/2007 12:39:00 AM- To the civilian, A majority of the cars are east of Cicero. Tac and gang cars are order to stay east of Pulaski. Not the fault of the coppers but thats what they are ordered to do.
10/14/2007 09:47:00 AM- AMEN. AMEN Brother
10/14/2007 11:07:00 AM- Pretty sure that is the budgeted manpower for the department
10/14/2007 07:29:00 PM- common sense? In the same sentence as blago and daley now thats just funny
To whom wrote "IF WE HAVE A MAN SHORTAGE WHY ARE TAC AND GANG TEAMS LEAVING 3 HOURS EARLY EVERYDAY?" I know you been on for years and you are still stuck on a beat car, but if you were me and on a tac team right off of probation because someone recognized the skills. Leaving 3 hours every night is a privilege for being in an elite unit. Stop whinning. [Adding Hair gel]
denying Time Due
It is only FSLA time that can't be denied. check your time cards for the last 20 years, which is how long the FSLA rules have been in place. If you have even ONE hour of FSLA time on the books I would be surprised. No one will have accumulated ANY of that type of time because it is the FIRST time that is utilized when you take time off (per FSLA) and if it sits on the books for too long you MUST be PAID $$ for it. In other words, you can't bank it indefinitely. Non FSLA time (which is that earned in actual time up to 171 hours per month - not time and a half but the actual time you work, like 1 hour for court etc.) can be banked, and does NOT have to be granted ...
SCC I hope you got clearance to post the daily watch log on here considering it is "internal department" property which is not for public dissemination.
sheets look adequete.
TRU dispanded and sent to 007, 011, 015 to learn how to be the police.
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Why would you waste it there...house...4 vacant lots...house ....5 vacant lots...the ol'gray mare she ain't what she used to be...I believe it was mid 90's there were 100 murders in 007 alone in one year as screwed up as it still is its no where what it was, from a violent crimes perspective. 10 years ago it was asshole to bellybutton there just aren't many people left.
True story! On Friday, a 023 district 2nd watch officer wrote Alderman Tom Tunney a traffic ticket for using his cellphone while driving. The officer is a softball, but I applaud his zero tolerance enforcement. Commander 023 received notice of this and demanded that the Alderman's DL be returned to his residence. Cmdr. Yami was very upset and this officer will now be shipped to midnights due to enforcing the law against a connected person.
10/14/2007 09:11:00 AM
If true, that is fucked up. All the aldermen are full of shit.
...ANA sheets...
It's A&A sheets--fyi
To get the tru number assigned to patrol- go to the data warehouse personnel reports. Run District 001 for code 9161. Repeat for every district. Cross off all names detailed out. That will give a rough count of all POs assigned to patrol. The only extras which will be included will be desk, lockup and office people. Figure 3-5 per watch for desk and lockup. 5-10 for front office and CAPS (adjust for your specific district). The final count will be a pretty fair estimate of actual street police officers.
Not that we need it in the fighting 019 but a few days ago we had no late cars (40s and 50s) and a few 10-99. I'm glad the probability of something happening is low, but the guys on the street should not work like that. It's a shame 011 does. Disgraceful.
The hiring freeze was put in by Harold Washington after he tried unsuccessfully to lay many of us off.
10/14/2007 03:30:00 PM.......Funny,I got hired while Harold W was mayor.Me and a few thousand others.WTF are you babbling about??
MY FIRST GUESS IS THE STORY ABOUT THE LT. SENDING A MAN HOME FOR NOT SHAVING IS FALSE. MY SECOND OPINION IS THAT THIS LAZY FUCKER HAS SHOWN UP ILL PREPARED FOR WORK MORE THAN A FEW TIMES, AND THE LT. HAD HAD ENOUGH OF IT, AND SENT HIM HOME W/O PAY AS AN EXAMPLE, HOPING TO WAKE HIS SORRY ASS UP. IF THE SECOND SCENARIO IS TRUE, I DON'T FAULT THE BOSS AT ALL. MAYBE THIS GUY WAS A WORTHLESS FUCK WHO MADE SURE HE WAS UNAVAILABLE WHENEVER THE SHIT HIT THE FAN ANYWAY. IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT DISTRICT ACTUALLY LOST A REAL POLICEMAN OUT OF THE LINEUP THAT WAY ANYHOW. SOMETIMES, YOU GOTTA TREAT A WORTHLESS PRICK EXACTLY LIKE HOW HE/SHE IS. JUST MY OPINION, BUT MAYBE WE NEED MORE BOSSES LIKE THIS.
This may be your opinion but you are entirely erong, sorry, the guy and his partner are workers and go-to guys on this watch of newbies, ask anyone about the Lt. in question, ytou will hear the same thing-stroke, you don't send a person home for not shaving, spar him if you want, but you can't cry about manpower when you are sending it home for pimpy things like that...
Not only is there a manpower shortage, all the new systems they'd created, (and our very sufficient training on the I-Clear system of 1 day) are too long and entailed. SO even if any district were fully manned, if you have 3-4 cars down processing an arrestee, for even something simple as theft it takes at the very least 2-5 hours to complete all the "computer" arrest, inventory of evidence, inventory of personal properties - money, jewelry, anything else, etc., name check, Investigative Alert checks, And, if the arrest is a juvenile or female arrestee, double that time now for transport. AND if it's a felony, that car is down for the tour and most likely running into o/t.
SO, not only are manpower shortages a problem, all these "new fangle" tools to make our jobs easier, are just too screwy!!!!
When anyone with computer knowledge makes a program that you cannot get past the next box without clicking on their "help" flashlight has NO computer knowledge whatsoever.
When someone takes a one paged arrest report, and now makes it 5-8 pages long, with 27 steps to complete, and the inventory book that would take all of 5 mins to complete, now has 8 steps, and all the "glitches" not ever reviewed or corrected by anyone is just so stupid, I cannot process the information, muchless view it as a good idea that will be acted upon, muchless have a department of our size use such "TOOLS"
IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.
The Fire Department has re-hire days, where they can work their days off, why doesn't CPD?????
dude, 5-10 years ago you might have heard of a back log maybe once or twice a week. not everyday, every shift lasting the for the entire freakn shift. there is No manpower. how can anybody deny it. it's fucking insane. disturbances, fights, suspicious persons, auto theft you name it - sits around in the stack for hours. this is fucking insane..
SCC said...
Welcome to the learning disabled visiting our site!
great posting that... now try and get time-due. the p.o. that sent that to u is a piece of shit. on 1st watch in 011th, they give you whatever time due you want. sometimes u have to take a few more calls and sometimes you're 99. but when you need a day, you get it! never denied. just shutup and go find a hole. that's all. this is an informative site, and i like it, but to those who come here to rat anonymously. go fuck yourselves!
If you follow the news and current lawsuits actually WON by the FOP, you'd realize the City ISN'T permitted to make up the shortages by denying Time Due. They either have to down the car (a political hot potato for coverage issues) or pay officers time-and-one-half on their RDO's to man the car. We don't see that as a bad thing. Plus we get to prove Daley and 35th Street liars. Again
i have read the news. our watch commander came into roll call, and said no time due for halloween. this is after the court case. also i don't see them giving anyone overtime to fill the empty cars. lastly, i would like to see you tell your watch commander to go fuck himself when he denies you a day off. cite the court's decision and file a grieveance. let us know how that turns out for you.
MY FIRST GUESS IS THE STORY ABOUT THE LT. SENDING A MAN HOME FOR NOT SHAVING IS FALSE. MY SECOND OPINION IS THAT THIS LAZY FUCKER HAS SHOWN UP ILL PREPARED FOR WORK MORE THAN A FEW TIMES, AND THE LT. HAD HAD ENOUGH OF IT, AND SENT HIM HOME W/O PAY AS AN EXAMPLE, HOPING TO WAKE HIS SORRY ASS UP. IF THE SECOND SCENARIO IS TRUE, I DON'T FAULT THE BOSS AT ALL. MAYBE THIS GUY WAS A WORTHLESS FUCK WHO MADE SURE HE WAS UNAVAILABLE WHENEVER THE SHIT HIT THE FAN ANYWAY. IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT DISTRICT ACTUALLY LOST A REAL POLICEMAN OUT OF THE LINEUP THAT WAY ANYHOW. SOMETIMES, YOU GOTTA TREAT A WORTHLESS PRICK EXACTLY LIKE HOW HE/SHE IS. JUST MY OPINION, BUT MAYBE WE NEED MORE BOSSES LIKE THIS.
no he did it to a few POs that night. most just shaved. one decided not too and added a day to his weekend.
but it is chicken shit for 011. you can't have chicken shit there.
I really doubt that this sheet was submitted to you by a 1st watch officer, but in reality you can't have it both ways. Either time due is granted liberally as was done on this day, or all the cars are manned. Every one on this watch understands that time is granted whenever possible and those working will pick up the slack. Besided if you run the numbers for the district you will find a large excess of bodies on the 2nd watch that have been cherry picked for furlough relief and never returned to midnites. So the 1st watch may be a little short but the excess on days more than makes up the numbers. I think this sheet was sent to you to stir up trouble becuase other watches in the district don't have the sensible time due policy as the 1st watch.
Those of you who work in Personnel at HQ
hahhahahahahhaa you funny G I work at 35th st hahahhaha
10/14/2007 03:30:00 PM.......Funny,I got hired while Harold W was mayor.Me and a few thousand others.WTF are you babbling about??
Obviously he is "babbling" about something that happened before you were hired. In a showdown with the Vrodolyak(sp)29 harold threatened to lay off hundreds of officers if he didn't get his budget passed. This was about Aug of 03. So just becuase you don't remember it doesn't make it babbling maybe you should read history those that don't learn from the past are doomed tro repeat it, and those that don't know sh*t should STFU
Ask the range how many people qualified, there's your man power. Every single star, from supe to p.p.o has to shoot once a year, can't carry the pistol without doing that. Find out how many people shot, primary weapons only, and you got your count. Ain't no way in God's green earth it was 13,500. If I were a betting man I'd say closer to 9K, but what do I know. Good luck finding a range guy with the nerve to post it though.
Ive seen the sheets on midnights in 018 this summer and it looks like we could borrow some of those 011 coppers... they've got waaay too many cars up on 1st watch.
great posting that... now try and get time-due. the p.o. that sent that to u is a piece of shit. on 1st watch in 011th, they give you whatever time due you want. sometimes u have to take a few more calls and sometimes you're 99. but when you need a day, you get it! never denied. just shutup and go find a hole. that's all. this is an informative site, and i like it, but to those who come here to rat anonymously. go fuck yourselves!
10/14/2007 01:30:00 AM
your a pussy if you dont fix the problem or bring it to light then you never fix it..
of course you weren't around before we had a bargaining unit u pussy.
29 harold threatened to lay off hundreds of officers if he didn't get his budget passed. This was about Aug of 03
Harold was long dead by Aug of 03. There was a battle and threat to lay off police, but it never happened. Jane Byrne treated us better than ANY mayor..
i would like to see you tell your watch commander to go fuck himself when he denies you a day off. cite the court's decision and file a grieveance. let us know how that turns out for you.
10/15/2007 01:27:00 AM
You would be a LOSER, that case hasn't been finalized, and it seems that you have the WRONG idea about it too as several have posted. If you have ANY FSLA time on the books, which is highly doubtful, THEN the city can't deny it, however there is no policy in place nor is that suit finalized. There will have to be an agreement between the city and the plaintiffs before any policy is in place and before the results of the suit are enforced... This could take years. In the meantime, check your time card to see if you actually have any FSLA time on the books. It can't be kept more than a few months after which the city PAYS you for it... check it out.
the fire department has a good union every position has to be filled firefighter, lt and capt
24 hours at time and a half not bad
1:13
Not true AT ALL. Roy asked HQ if there were any female SOS officers he could have? After he told they were already taken care of by their clout, he THEN said he didn't want any SOS officers in 009. He actually used more of a derogatory statement than that, but you get the drift... He had no problem with the females...only the males. That was how the conversation went down at 35th St.
His womanizing legacy in 021 and 009 continues.
-009 Days po
i noticed there are no medical abuers there.
008th District needs manpower bad, period! Ald Zalewski needs to keep lighting that fire under L.S. ass cause its starting to bug him that everyone is complaining about the lack of manpower. Too bad L.S., too bad! Get at least one team to work the west end (and no I'm not talking west of Cali east of kedzie) and open up the bids to 008 so we can get some guys in here! You're gettin mad that people and PO's are complaining? Oh well! Too bad so sad. We are in a backlog everynite, yep EVERYNITE with 30-50 jobs waiting. How long can you expect the guys in the 20.30sector to keep humping like they are? answer..they cant. Denied lunches, tryin to deny personals, pullin 10sec BEAT cars (example 11, 12 13 14 15) to the east end for jobs like 69th and western east, down 10 sec cars(beat cars like 13 and 14), no 06cars.traffic.hosp. and rapids to ever be found on sheets except 53, 58 and occassionally 51, cars handling 20/30jobs a night, listening to citizens continuously asking us where the hell we are and why they cant even get the police on the west end. Lets see a boss do the right thing for once and quit catering to the crime. There are good hard working TAX paying citizens who deserve more than 1 or 2 cars for patrol in an area twice the size of 007th district! Yes........there is crime over here and if you were over here maybe you would know instead of worrying about us always complaining. Lets start west of Pulaski and make our way to Harlem. For starters.....how about the 2 jaggoff brothers and cousins from Leclaire courts driving thru sellin from their mouth workin off the phone and always, always puttin a beef on PO's when they get stopped or arrested? How about PO's windows getting broken on their vehicles or the tagging or the burglaries or robberies or the Midway kings or Latin kings or the Latin Saints or the S.D's and on and on and on and on! Or how about backing up your working police instead of making them false promises? But Im sure you dont want to hear all of this because you are busy, and we need to stop our whining. I know pressure from downtown can be a bitch but cmon. And for those of you who dont think we are short-handed, come into the Sgt's room any night at sign off and look at some of the old lineup sheets that are posted on the wall from about 6-8years ago. It will put everything into perspective. Please everyone, be safe and remember your families. This job is now about you, family and fellow police.
A fed up 008th district officer
(G.cookies)
HOUSE FOR SALE
not on the market, first choice to a copper.
Anonymous said...
Ask the range how many people qualified, there's your man power. Every single star, from supe to p.p.o has to shoot once a year, can't carry the pistol without doing that. Find out how many people shot, primary weapons only, and you got your count. Ain't no way in God's green earth it was 13,500. If I were a betting man I'd say closer to 9K, but what do I know. Good luck finding a range guy with the nerve to post it though.
10/15/2007 05:56:00 AM
IF YOU THINK CLINE AND STARKS QUALIFIED YOUR ON CRACK BUDDY ACTUALLY ON ACID....SERIOUSLY SHUT UP
Anonymous said...
I don't know if this means anything, but the other day at work one of the guys went online to bring up the seniority list for payroll code9161 (Patrolman)and it listed just over 10,000 names and Star numbers. I don't know where they are all hiding.
10/14/2007 06:57:00 PM
remember, you go to finances website and look at all codes under D3 pay. There is more than just 9161. They are all patrolmen. Then take those codes to seniority, add the numbers.
Anonymous said...
The hiring freeze was put in by Harold Washington after he tried unsuccessfully to lay many of us off.
10/14/2007 03:30:00 PM.......Funny,I got hired while Harold W was mayor.Me and a few thousand others.WTF are you babbling about??
10/15/2007 12:04:00 AM
The academy was full over capacity when harold was mayor, wtf are you talking about? harold actually beefed up the dept. he was a great mayor compared to the idiot we have now! RIP HAROLD!
Anonymous said...
SCC, you need to read the lawsuit regarding the overtime. It only applies to FLSA overtime which does not include all comptime. You only earn FLSA overtime after 171 hours in a cycle (28 day period). Most P/O's dont have any FLSA time. TAC or specialize units may earn enough comptime to have FLSA time. The FOP seems to imply that it applies to all comptime this is just not true.
10/14/2007 04:20:00 PM
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WRONG!!!!!!
FLSA Comp-Time is the FIRST 260 HOURS(Appx)
Go back to law school kid.
E. Roy ain't shit and neither are his officers! 009 is not a busy district. Quit pretending that it is a district comparable to 007 or 011.
-2nd watch in 009
The Fire Department has re-hire days, where they can work their days off, why doesn't CPD?????
******************Ummm because CFD has a REAL union!!!
i have read the news. our watch commander came into roll call, and said no time due for halloween. this is after the court case. also i don't see them giving anyone overtime to fill the empty cars. lastly, i would like to see you tell your watch commander to go fuck himself when he denies you a day off. cite the court's decision and file a grieveance. let us know how that turns out for you.
10/15/2007 01:27:00 AM
it is cold season. wink wink
mea culpa it was aug of 83
the 14th dist and the 17th dist lies about the cars on the street, when they don:t have enough officers to man the vehicles they put the inside officers on the vehicle to make it look as if they are on the street yet the vehicle never goes out. Commander Dulay always did this in 14 then continued the scam in 17.
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Wahaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...cry babies,,,, suck it up and get a life!!!!
FLSA Comp-Time is the FIRST 260 HOURS(Appx)
No YOU are wrong, but in ANY CASE, if you have ANY FSLA time on the books for more than a few months, you have to be paid cash for it, it cannot be kept on the books. All the CU you have stored up is NON FSLA time....CHECK your time cards people...
i would like to see you tell your watch commander to go fuck himself when he denies you a day off. cite the court's decision and file a grieveance. let us know how that turns out for you.
Yeah, I would love to see that one, since the court decision is not final nor binding as of yet...not to mention the little FSLA details that everyone keeps trying to ignore.
the 14th dist and the 17th dist lies about the cars on the street, when they don:t have enough officers to man the vehicles they put the inside officers on the vehicle to make it look as if they are on the street yet the vehicle never goes out. Commander Dulay always did this in 14 then continued the scam in 17.
10/15/2007 10:39:00 PM
are you talking in past-tense about 014? Because I know for a fact they have EXTRA beat cars on midnights. 1406, 1412a 1413a,1422a, 1423a, and sometimes even more.
However, did they get rid of the bar cars? I didn't see them up this past weekend.
district 4 nothing but a bunch of lazy, sleepy, out of shape dogs. do your job. i see your squad shopping at the mall on 117th, sitting at the pizza joint for 4 hours on brandon, sitting in front of your house for the full tour or your out at river oaks mall doing your erronds.
E. Roy ain't shit and neither are his officers! 009 is not a busy district. Quit pretending that it is a district comparable to 007 or 011.
009 is plenty busy, maybe you should walk out of the station on days and listen to the radio that never stops, especially on 3rd-1rst watch... 4 shot today alone. Put down the pipe will ya.....
Since the SOS guys have been sent to the districts, there has been a dramatic increase in officers becoming lazy dogasses. Quit clout babies!
He casually reached for his cuff key as i watched and tried to unlock the one cuff that was locked to his duty belt behind his belt to no avail. His parnter must have had 2 sets of cuffs and secured them. He seen me watching and walked away to the sidewalk. I drove away. Yes...they are the elite.
you drove away?? who's the asshole.....
GO TO SOME OF THESE (TRAINING DISRICTS) THEY HAVE RESPONSE CARS ON MIDNIGHTS, 2 TRAFFIC CARS
NO TIME DUE FOR NEW YEARS WTF,,,,,,, I WANT TO PARTY IT UP NOT ONCE EVERY 6 YEARS TOO.
E. Roy ain't shit and neither are his officers! 009 is not a busy district. Quit pretending that it is a district comparable to 007 or 011.
009 is plenty busy, maybe you should walk out of the station on days and listen to the radio that never stops, especially on 3rd-1rst watch... 4 shot today alone. Put down the pipe will ya.....
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I hardly ever see 011 in a rap. districts in raps the most as follows: 004 006 007 008 are almost in a rap every night. I looked up 009 tonight and it had 916, 917, 918, 926, 936 and a few other cars. THOSE ARE ALL EXTRA CARS! Why does 009 have so many extra cars and not aforementioned districts?!
Anonymous said...
E. Roy ain't shit and neither are his officers! 009 is not a busy district. Quit pretending that it is a district comparable to 007 or 011.
009 is plenty busy, maybe you should walk out of the station on days and listen to the radio that never stops, especially on 3rd-1rst watch... 4 shot today alone. Put down the pipe will ya.....
10/16/2007 03:01:00 AM
who is his clout?
009 is plenty busy, maybe you should walk out of the station on days and listen to the radio that never stops, especially on 3rd-1rst watch... 4 shot today alone. Put down the pipe will ya.....
10/16/2007 03:01:00 AM
009 is the funniest district on the south side. Ignore the blacks that border 007 until something big happens, laugh at the mexicans with their gang fight stupidity, and eat for free off the whites in your district who like the police. Home to clout 009 does what they want when they want. Which is good for them just don't get on SCC and compare 009 to 007 011 or 015. You are far from the all black drug lands of those districts. 009 is the slowest and smallest of the three southside mixed race districts 008 004 and 009.
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