Respect a Two Way Street
- The most creative proposal we've heard for improving [the Chicago Police Department slogan] comes from Thomas Epach, a former executive assistant to Chicago's superintendent. Epach appreciates the need for a change of culture. But he also urges Chicagoans not to overlook the strengths of what he sees as steadily better educated, better trained officers. "You get murdered in Chicago and you're still having a good day," Epach says. "The most talented police force in America is on the case."
His proposed rewrite:
"We Serve and Protect -- With Respect."
The trouble with respect is that one has to give it to get it. Anyone gotten any lately?
We've been 6 months without a contract and the last time one was signed promptly and within a few weeks of the previous agreement expiring was...never.
The City spends its time taking away contractual rights and protections that are afforded to the lowliest crack addicted prostitute, but not to its police officers.
You drive a squad car down the streets of a dozen neighborhoods we could mention, and you have to run your windshield wipers just to clear the spit out of the air.
You have aldercreatures scoring cheap political points off police who are enforcing the laws that the aldercreatures pass in the City Council. And "reverends," too.
You have the mayor shorting our pension by over half, while having his son and nephew running ventures with what there is of our pension money and making a tidy profit to boot.
You have 30% of bosses whose only qualification is who they know, who they blow, who they are related to, or who they gave money to. Actually, it's probably way higher as you have entire legions of house mice who happen to work for the people who develop the test scoring in the top 1% of test takers.
Don't even get us started on the media.
And when was the last time the mayor showed up at a parade to honor our dead?
But hey, if changing a slogan is going to make everyone feel better about the police... whatever. Let us know how that works out.
We've been 6 months without a contract and the last time one was signed promptly and within a few weeks of the previous agreement expiring was...never.
The City spends its time taking away contractual rights and protections that are afforded to the lowliest crack addicted prostitute, but not to its police officers.
You drive a squad car down the streets of a dozen neighborhoods we could mention, and you have to run your windshield wipers just to clear the spit out of the air.
You have aldercreatures scoring cheap political points off police who are enforcing the laws that the aldercreatures pass in the City Council. And "reverends," too.
You have the mayor shorting our pension by over half, while having his son and nephew running ventures with what there is of our pension money and making a tidy profit to boot.
You have 30% of bosses whose only qualification is who they know, who they blow, who they are related to, or who they gave money to. Actually, it's probably way higher as you have entire legions of house mice who happen to work for the people who develop the test scoring in the top 1% of test takers.
Don't even get us started on the media.
And when was the last time the mayor showed up at a parade to honor our dead?
But hey, if changing a slogan is going to make everyone feel better about the police... whatever. Let us know how that works out.
Labels: dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
77 Comments:
Never really got a chance to know Epach, but I hope to God his "addition" never sees the light of day attached to the side of any Chicago Police car.
Respect is a two way street, Mr. john q. public.
Hey how about I write a new slogan for the Chicago Police Dept ......... unappreciated and underpaid
Umm....that might work in Naperville, Oak Brook, Hinsdale - you know, places with a certain segment of society, people who actually work, who keep up their homes, and the like.
That will not work here in Chicago, not when a certain segment of society does not even respect themselves in the first place. Nor do they care about the upkeep of their rental property, their 'govment' subsidized property, and we know that they do not work.
Yes, I find it hard to think that these people even know what respect is all about. They DO have the disrespect thing down, hats off to them for that!
How bout - CPD, We BEND over for you....
Probably way higher than 30%? C'mon SCC, I think it's time for a game. We won't play the old "I KNOW He/she's merit". Let's go for the GOLD. Simply state name/rank and qualified or unqualified just like they do for a judicial election. No name calling or griping is necessary. You set the time limit SCC, that way we'll all know when to look for the totals. Ready to play?
How bout this one: CPD..."shut up or well hit you with our stick"....or is that too 1940's?
Dumb Ideas!
I am all about them so let's get started:
Let's have the FOP replaced with FOM (Fraternal Order of MEDIA) Since nobody speaks up for us anyways as we get lambasted let us just use the MEDIA as our Union to decide our contractual outcome since they represent those that complain about us anyway!
How about We just add some more PODS......Like every corner! Instead of having a COP ON EVERYCORNER you get the flashing POD BOX thing to Harass you taxpaying citizens!
We Serve and Protect With Respect! You know Rodney King just wanted Respect that was ALL! Thats what they say anyway so Why not..... Let's respect those that DO NOT RESPECT THEMSELVES NOR OTHERS! That is basically why they Rape Rob Steal or KILL! I think for the most part the Police in Chicago are in need of reminders so let us put it in writing on the squad cars since we are so DUMB!?!?!?
Why don't we all move out of our neighborhoods we are so fond of (022, 008, 016, 017, 025, 024, 020 and MOVE into 007, 010, 003,015, 011 wherever there is a ghetto and LIVE where DALEY thinks we are best suited then we may GET THE APPROPRIATE RAISE we are seeking!
Lets continue to get the HEADS that SOMEBODY needs to justify THEIR existence as Deputy something or Tact Lieutenant or whatever. They will appreciate it and take care of us as we get more CR#'s doing Warrants and getting GUNS off the street and preventing the inevitable violence by the proactive effective work we do! (No need to hide numbers)
DOC missions, CONTACT CARDS, school dismissals, CAPS, POD missions and arrests, TRR reports, WOLF PACK, OPERATION this and that etc. .......Now that someones careers are made from all this paper generating can we knock it off now CLINE is retired THE SMOKE has lifted and the mirrors are cracked so let just go back to the way it was and get back to reality.
BASEBALL CAPS AND GARAGE GUY PANTS......Just not sexy enough for me not to mention unprofessional looking I guess. So maybe we should just leave it alone and add something to it like SEWN on NAME TAGS that say JOE's GARAGE.
Eliminate the PADDY WAGON (call it something more politically correct like the DUDE HAULER........we won't need it anymore since we are not rounding everyone up violating civil rights any more and it is just medieval and it burns way to much gas....... so let us replace them with solar powered minitrucks to help the environment with windows and seat belts and air bags and DVD players for the kids you know a more people friendly and customer service oriented transport vehicle. You know since WE CARE and RESPECT now.
I got a million dumb ideas but I am saving them for my interview with J.P.!
YA!
Tom Epach is an idiot and should have nothing to do with the Chicago Police Department. He's not a cop and NEVER will be one. He's a lawyer hired by Cline who made bocu money to have cases charged. Any murder cases brought before him were laughed and rejected by Darren O'Brien. He's an ASA REJECT!! He should NEVER comment about the CPD!! Cause he's just a loser ASA from Crokked County. Ya, Tom...Go tell the new detectives about the North American Felon...You have no power with Darren. get a life.
CPD = Constantly Pissed-on Daily?? To get served and indicted?
Here's a slogan for the city,county and the entire state "Up your's!".
You drive a squad car down the streets of a dozen neighborhoods we could mention, and you have to run your windshield wipers just to clear the spit out of the air.
That strikes me as funny, because yesterday at 65th and Lowe as I was going to my car, a POS was wearing one of those face mask things and hocked one up when he saw me, and then had to swallow it. I told him "kinda hard to spit with those on isn't it? " and no comment from him. I just laughed.
The reason why Daley is a no-show is obvious.
He gets hinky whenever there are cops around that ain't on his pad.
CPD Lee us Lone....We Works
Years ago,in the 60's,there were bumper stickers about CPD.
For an instant beating,call PO -5 1313. Things havn't changed much.
Yea, but how many millions are some connected Bridgeport goons going to make adding the "with respect" to the logo?
how about: we serve as a punching bag - with no respect.
the slogan should be "We protect and deserve respect"
Epach always was and always will be a political hack. A lawyer who could never make it in the real world much like his mentor da mayor.
Here's a couple:
"YOU PEOPLE SUCK"
"MY BOSS IS IN THE MOB"
How about this for the CPD slogan:
"You get what you give in respect of law and order."
Off Topic a little. So what will be the prefix for RD#'s in 2008?
HO?
Ma'am this is your RD# HO...
What did you call me?
"In the war on crime, Felony Review is France"
That prior quote got Epach a Gold Star (and a big salary) as he did the talk show circuit in the way of in-service training. Tom, you didn't deserve that Star and I was embarassed the way you flaunted it. I was mentored by "Big Al", someone you highly respected, but I still think that you're a prick! Feck off!
I've got to go along with the late Mike Royko's Latin motto for Chicago.
"UBI EST MEA"?
("Where's Mine?")
Eliminate the PADDY WAGON (call it something more politically correct like the DUDE HAULER........
I love it!!!!!!!!
"a few good laughs" or the "few the proud, the clowns"
"You get murdered in Chicago and you're still having a good day. The most talented police force in America is on the case." - Thomas Epach
"The game is afoot", Epach.
What's this guy's definition of "a bad day"? Put away your hyperbolic bong, Epach. While the CPD has always been blessed with a few dozen outstanding homicide detectives, many are just clout babies who lack real street experience, aren't exactly Mensa material and couldn't "detect" an elephant in a phone booth.
Start with our clueless, clouted Chief of Detectives. For those suckholes who would like to get "the deer in the headlights" an appropriate Christmas gift, check out the houndstooth deerstalker caps at "Hats Plus", 4706 W. Irving Park Road.
Then she can add her Burberry trenchcoat and stare at herself in the mirror as delusions of grandeur wash over her.
No. "Full rigor" is not caused by Viagra, Maria.
Meerschaum pipe, a cape and an oversized magnifying glass are optional, "Chief".
So what's the CPD homicide clearance rate under your watch, Mr. Epach?
Here is a better slogan;
Protect and Serve and Do What Is Asked For Then Get Thrown Under The Bus By Our Bosses And Get Shipped To 005 On Midnights
Anonymous said...
Probably way higher than 30%? C'mon SCC, I think it's time for a game. We won't play the old "I KNOW He/she's merit". Let's go for the GOLD. Simply state name/rank and qualified or unqualified just like they do for a judicial election. No name calling or griping is necessary. You set the time limit SCC, that way we'll all know when to look for the totals. Ready to play?
12/17/2007 12:28:00 AM
I like this idea! Lets also include family tree and clout links it would be fun! i am in!
"TO SERVE MAN".......Wait a minute ...oh my God, it's a cook book!!!!
I tried to give this "young man of the cloth" respect the other day, lasted about 8 seconds I think I opted not to give him respect after he told me his family is involved w/numerous churches on this here west side, oh and yeah called me dog and I told him to go %$*& himself I ain't no dog,so much for treating an animal w/respect
Yeah,
We need MORE shit printed on the squad cars.
Call 911
Call 311
The department's website
Caps Bullshit
How about a special hot-line number to report all the corrupt police bosses and politicians?
CODE BLUE!
Wheel in the gurney. STAT! Lethal Kool-Aid overdose for Mr. Epach!
Big F.U. to 1120 for being a dog ass the other day for a request for sup. w/ a tazer!
Not armed with the "shock of life" ?!
Trying to be witty when an officer is asking for help?
Pathetic!
And do you have a hearing aid? Or do you just have selective hearing? You're a petty micro-manager to all the cars on the watch yet when a car or the zone needs something you can't be raised.
You're a dork!
I laughed when I read the Trib. editorial for the addition of "With Respect" to our vehicles. As you stated, it's a 2 way street. No contract and no signs of one in the near future. Working 6 days in a row. If you noticed I didn't say 6 a week because some will dispute that it pours over into a new work week. A mayor that does not care about the police unless they are driving him around and protecting him. A mayor that shows contempt for his protectors by cowering to a screaming minority (revs,ald. and media.) I've told my family that if I ever get killed in the line of duty I don't want this prick anywhere near my funeral. The rest of my family has been told this too. Maybe it should be written in a will or something. As you stated, respect is a 2 way street and for far too long it's been going one way.
How about.....
"Where a Bunch of "C" students can make a damn fine living"
R-E-S-P-E-C-T was a good song. Is from the 60's or 70's. Tom Epach got left there.
I'm glad someone finally said, "When was the last time the Mayor attended a parade to honor our Dead." The benefits of a Chicago PPO suck, especially the medical, thats if they process your paperwork in a timely manner. How you people put up with the inept, ass kissing, political appointees to city jobs is beyond me. But, all of you are in my thoughts as you go out there each and every day and run toward danger while everyone else is retreating. Have a safe Christmas and be sure to hug all of your loved ones before you leave for work and when you get home after your shift.
Chicago Gold Star Father
How about this for respect...
Aldercreature Hairston, 5th ward, called an emergency block club meeting the other night to address the rash of burglaries on a certain block (there were a whole 3 total in 2007!!!)
A watch commander and A/2/RBT were ordered to attend by a certain Deputy.
During the meeting, Hairston did nothing but attack the police.
She said things were better when it was darker-referring to the white police.
She can say that but if I were to respond that the area was better when it was whiter, I'd be a racist.
Eliminate the PADDY WAGON (call it something more politically correct like the DUDE HAULER........we won't need it anymore since we are not rounding everyone up violating civil rights any more and it is just medieval and it burns way to much gas....... so let us replace them with solar powered minitrucks to help the environment with windows and seat belts and air bags and DVD players for the kids you know a more people friendly and customer service oriented transport vehicle. You know since WE CARE and RESPECT now.
I got a million dumb ideas but I am saving them for my interview with J.P.!
12/17/2007 12:58:00 AM
Shit. this guy's on a roll. keep going, i'm laughing my ass off.
I had the pleasure of getting to know Thomas Epach and can tell you all, he would've been a good choice for Supt.
Probably the only guy who can actually tell bosses what's on his mind during X-Mas Parties. Slide Shows and all!
And the funny thing is, they actually have asked him to "M C" over and over again. Very Blunt I must say.
He really laid into them sharing what most have thought were jokes, but really were his personal opinions and insight.
Great fucking guy.
All Class. Would take the time to say hi and have a sincere conversation with you. He was a Deputy (Civilian) by Rank, and personal counsel to numerous "Supts".
He has some history and background to share, and really should write book about the Chicago Police, and the States Attorney's Office.
New Slogan compliments of the Late P.O. Giles Barksdale (God rest his soul).
He once told me:
"They don't pay us enough to fight, and they sure don't pay us enough to get our ass kicked"
Anonymous said...
Tom Epach is an idiot and should have nothing to do with the Chicago Police Department. He's not a cop and NEVER will be one. He's a lawyer hired by Cline who made bocu money to have cases charged. Any murder cases brought before him were laughed and rejected by Darren O'Brien. He's an ASA REJECT!! He should NEVER comment about the CPD!! Cause he's just a loser ASA from Crokked County. Ya, Tom...Go tell the new detectives about the North American Felon...You have no power with Darren. get a life.
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Hey dude, tell us how you really feel.
For your information AssWipe, Tom Epach was there way before Hillard. Obviously he mustve reviewed a case involving your criminal type behavior.
Now go and get your shine box - loser!
If Mr. Epach thinks that some of these guys walking around with Mickey Mouse degrees are sharp, he'd die of a coronary if he saw many of their I.Q. scores.
Let's start recruiting some of these really bright, highly motivated kids out of Ignatius, Fenwick, Rita, Lane, Gordon Tech and Brother Rice whose blue collar parents don't have the bucks to send them to a real college.
Start using intelligence tests like the old days instead of meaningless sheepskins from city colleges, Jerry Lewis U. and Robert Morris.
If somebody gets out of high school with a 140 I.Q., he doesn't dumb down to a moron because he couldn't afford the time or money to attend college.
If some highly vocal groups scream about adverse impact and racism against minorities, just recruit our very brightest white, black, Hispanic and Asian men and women from the talent pool without regard to formal education levels.
What am I supposed to respect? The criminal act? The perpetrator? The lawbreaker? The victim? My supervisor?
CPD- "God's righteous soldiers"
To Swerve and Reject
Too much rhyme. Reminds me of "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit." and other nonsense that the late (finally) Johnny Cochran and Jesse Jackson come up with.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T was a good song Aretha Franklin I think. Maybe Tom would like us to play it on the PA instead of the siren when we cruise the ghetto???
to Moriarity 10:37am
There ya go again; w/all the negative waves!!!!!
Can I get the vinyl lettering contract?
""I've told my family that if I ever get killed in the line of duty I don't want this prick anywhere near my funeral. The rest of my family has been told this too.""
AMEN brother-me too. Keep all the gold stars out of the first rows,too.
Just remember to bring a razor blade to work while the lettering is still fresh........
I had the pleasure of getting to know Thomas Epach and can tell you all, he would've been a good choice for Supt.
Probably the only guy who can actually tell bosses what's on his mind during X-Mas Parties. Slide Shows and all!
And the funny thing is, they actually have asked him to "M C" over and over again. Very Blunt I must say.
He really laid into them sharing what most have thought were jokes, but really were his personal opinions and insight.
Great fucking guy.
All Class. Would take the time to say hi and have a sincere conversation with you. He was a Deputy (Civilian) by Rank, and personal counsel to numerous "Supts".
He has some history and background to share, and really should write book about the Chicago Police, and the States Attorney's Office.
12/17/2007 04:39:00 PM
To 4:39
Tom Epach was and is a complete piece of shit. He was a cancer at the Cook County and DuPage States Attorneys offices and a complete jagoff at CPD. He ordered a car with lights and a siren and was ready to take it until Deputy Supt. Grau caught him and took it away. He wore a gold star he never earned. He was a pathetic liar. He ruined people's careers. He was no fucking good. On second thought maybe he would have been a good supt. Fuck him and his bullshit stories.
Eliminate the PADDY WAGON (call it something more politically correct like the DUDE HAULER........
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Shit. LOL!...quit the CPD and start writing in Gollywood....they need writers out there...go west, young man (or woman) go west!
regarding RD numbers I dont think thatthe letters O and I are used
But you is funny anyway
12/17/2007 1:00pm...amen brother...az is a self centered,micromanaging,individual who dogs people just to show he is in power. i also find it interesting that when a supervisor is not needed,you can hear him talk and talk but when you really need a supervisor he acts like he is doing you a favor by showing up. az proves time and time again why his troops have zero respect for him.
How bout this: CPD- you get what you pay for
working in a westside part of town the other night.....mostly dark and it was only 4 pm........then i see a urban pioneer w/ his child walking down the street....you know what...they looked at us in the marked police car and waved saying aloud "happy holidays"......i was stunned...then we drive 1 city block to where 2 young m-1's look at us and start to talk louder and spit numerous times on the ground.....what a city!
In regards to the AZ comment...are SGT's required to carry tazers?
Tom Epach is a liar and a coward.
12/17/2007 3:48 pm. this is a perfect example why the cpd bosses are spineless. are you honestly telling me that no boss had the balls to tell this idiot,who by the way bashes the police constantly,that three burglaries in a one year time is not a crime wave so shut the hell up alderman.?you know as well as i do that if the police were aggressive on this block she would be crying its racial profiling. she fits a pattern of alot of minority politicians. they bitch and cry how the police are brutal and they racially profile these poor honor students but when it suits them now all of the sudden they want us to be aggressive! but this is cpd,these exempt members will constantly bend over for these aldremen and be their bitch.
He was a Kline butt boy
The best motto..."where the quickest way to promotion is to be the superintendent's secretary"
DUDE HAULER!!!!!!!!!! YES....by the way speaking of murders how many we at for this year
new slogan
"huh...who me?"
and does anyone know the initials of the coppers in that swingers gun taken thing
Anyone who knows Ald. Hairston knows she's a total idiot. She makes all kinds of noise about NOTHING! This lady seems to think she is some sort of vice mayor of the southeast side. Glad to see the commander doesn't cater to her crap. Lots of people who have to work with her don't care for her way of talking down to them, don't know why the mayor hasn't shitcanned her political career yet.
Hey A.Z., remember the chases, 4th of July in 012? Ignore the shit on here. Your buddy
"then i see a urban pioneer w/ his child walking down the street....you know what...they looked at us in the marked police car and waved saying aloud "happy holidays"......i was stunned...then we drive 1 city block to where 2 young m-1's look at us and start to talk louder and spit numerous times on the ground.....what a city!
12/18/2007 10:27:00 AM"
I've worked all over the city & had the misfortune of getting flats on my squad car. The ONLY areas that a citizen offered to help was in 011 & 003?
(BTW I wasn't on the Drug tip either)
Not so willing to buy into your theory of ignorance by proximity.
You might want to forgo the 9buck an hour security gig for a day, burn one of your BFD's& spend time w/the family.
Sounds like you Need it.
In regards to the AZ comment...are SGT's required to carry tazers?
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If you went to the training, and there are functioning tazers available, the Sgt (or FTO) is required to carry the tazer. In my opinion anyone who is trained and does not carry it is a pussy, and anyone who could carry it and does not go to the training is a pussy also. A sgt has a responsibility to help keep the officers under him safe. Using the lightening in the right situation could keep people from getting hurt (and I give a fuck about asshole). Any supervisor who can keep a PO from getting hurt and does not meet that obligation is nothing short of reprehensible.
Street Sgt.
Tom Epach actually lived in LaGrange all the time he worked for the city. Had a bullshit cover address on Jackson Blvd. He parked his department issued unmarked in the LaGrange PD parking lot so as to make it appear that he was there of business.
CPD "We waive back" the more friendly po-lice
Street Sgt.
12/18/2007 11:25:00 PM
In response to you, I am a Sgt. on the North side and I notice all the tasers always there "all" the time. Meaning I am about the only one taking the damn thing out.
There are many female Sgts. out there that could probably use one if they ever got into it with some jagbag. I guess everybody is afraid to have the thing because "someone can die".
I think for their own good they should take one out and the good of their men and women on the street. Just my opinion since I am north now and not running all over the ghetto's anymore doesn't mean there isn't going to be a "situation" where asshole flips out or refuses to cooperate etc.
We are running scared folks!!!!
Best of Luck out there blue shirts I can only be in so many places at once and I don't work 24/7.
"Don't tase me bro"....ZAP
The best non-lethal weapon we have ever had is the Taser.
Every time I have used it, there would have been a battle with maybe police getting hurt.
I know some people are afraid to carry it because a low-life or two have died after being Tased. These OFFENDERS had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel anyway.
When you start worrying about getting sued over using a department approved weapon, it's time to hit the desk job boys and girls.
From another post...thought it would look great on the squads side...Big letters.....
"Though ye walk through the shadow of the valley of darkness...fear no evil...cause we the baddest mother f***ers out there"..........19P
To underappreciated and underpaid - welcome to the real world, police are the new female, underappreciated underpaid - when was the last time someone tried to "hump' you in the street? Some of your officers uniforms are probably worn out from being groped. From a westside resident - enough with the prostitute comments - you are starting to sound sexist and a woman hater. Everybody comes to the west side to 'act an as-@, stop blaming the residents.
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