Worst Case Scenario
We've noticed that the Department is sending out people to the Districts again preaching the virtues of safe vehicle operation. Part of this is because of the no pool car situation that comes from the City not paying it's bills and we have to drive whatever is available. Another part is that there are no cars on order for the 2008 budget year (if the rumors are to be believed).
Another part is this:
Another part is this:
A sheriff's deputy who drove through a red light with his emergency lights and sirens on has been charged with homicide by negligent operation of a vehicle after he hit another car, killing a woman.
Portage County Sheriff's Deputy Ken Tschudy, 53, faces a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison after an investigation concluded he failed to slow down before speeding into an intersection Oct. 29.
He struck the vehicle of 18-year-old Mindy Erickson, who was killed.
Tschudy had been responding to a hit-and-run accident in Plover when he drove through a red light with his emergency lights and sirens activated.
Responding to a hit-and-run. He's 53 years old. If he gets convicted, where does he start over? His life is over. And if he gets off, he still killed an 18 year old girl. For a traffic accident.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
77 Comments:
Boys and girls cut the being in a hurry! I was driving with my wife tonight on cicero near 55th street when an unmarked came flying around the corner going eastbound on 55th street with lights blaring, slippery out sure looked like commander ric flair from 008 in a hurry then crossed R/R tracks with gates down right in front of a train hope he was going to a 10-1 but then again if it is a boss they are above the law!
A mistake &/or an accident; yes. Suspension, yea, maybe. But 10 years in the joint, ya gotta be smokin crack!!
His dept. sent him on that call; I'd hope there's more to that story. If he's a veteran,respected Patrolman, then those inbred bosses
& ASAs there suck!!!!
Spoke to a p/o at a wake up in 017, and found out that they have plenty of bodies to man the cars on all watches (even all 2 man units) but they cannot get pool cars.
In 004, they have no bodies, but plenty of down cars just sitting and waiting for manpower. 1st watch works with only a couple of 1-man units and 1 sgt. for the dist.
Maybe 35th st needs to distribute the bodies evenly, especially in the high crime areas.
As soon as a ppo gets off probation, they want to go to special units, or their clout has them moved to a cushy unit/assignment.
The new kids should work a dist. for at least 5 years before they go anywhere to actually learn the job right.
Listen up J-FED!
These 2 minute wonders are ruining the entire force, and that includes the merit sgts. and lt's who don't know their as_ from a hole in the ground.
I need another Kool Aid!
I certainly hope that our badged brothers learn from this sad experience in which nobody wins.
Slow-DaFuk-Down!
Especially while driving these pool cars that years ago the FOP's safety committee would have declared undrivable.
WTF? This is nuts!
We are fucked.are there any other circumstances like her blasting "fuck tha police" at full volume, so she couldn't hear the lights and sirens. i'm sorry that she died and for her family, but this is an accident not a crime.
A cop going lights and siren to a call...indicted for homicide.
Another example of how this job has gone to the shitter.
Be careful out there and think of your family, freedom and career before ANYTHING else people!!
The car situation is very bad. At least we have money for C.P.I.C. the DOC and other unnecessiary nonsense.
Fuck a new academy,how about a new fucking car J-Fraud?
Very sad, and totally avoidable.
Officers, this is your wake-up call. Use sound judgement when responding to your calls. Although I'm sure this Deputy regrets it, someone's child is dead due to his negligence.
One minute of poor judgement; a lifetime of pain to deal with.
Even if he beats the case, there will be a 7 figure settlement.
And who among us wants to carry the results of this lapse in judgement around forever?
I thought there were laws in place that allowed for PO's not to be procecuted criminally for acts that are done within the scope of the law, albiet negligently, when responding to emergency calls.
I mean.. if you shoot at an armed offender and miss and grandma down the street gets hit, doesnt the criminal, if caught, still get charged since it was his actions that caused the discharge of your firearm?
He killed somebody over a 19-Paul!
Just plain stupid!
Do nothing!! I tried to be a workin cop but just got jammed.The bosses and pols dont care.Let the shitheads beat the crap out of each other.
1/24/2008 12:03:00 AM
Your right to many political hacks kids on the job, 2 year wonders have school but no clue what to do! What did they study in college? miller lite classes?
Anonymous said...
I thought there were laws in place that allowed for PO's not to be procecuted criminally for acts that are done within the scope of the law, albiet negligently, when responding to emergency calls.
I mean.. if you shoot at an armed offender and miss and grandma down the street gets hit, doesnt the criminal, if caught, still get charged since it was his actions that caused the discharge of your firearm?
1/24/2008 04:54:00 AM
But is an auto accident an emergency call? paramedics are there normally before we get there why rush? If it is cpd or family fine but be careful anyone else don't kill yourselves or anyone else!
"i'm sorry that she died and for her family, but this is an accident not a crime.
1/24/2008 12:42:00 AM"
No I'm sorry but if a dummy like yourself kills my daughter going to some stupid hit& run call read,NO EMERGENCY, I highly recommend you start "packing".
Take that anyway you want, Tackleberry.
We drive junks, many without all equipment working such as proper brakes,bald tires,spotlights and other lights out! But i down these cars and the fleet management crew have no parts to repair these cars with daleyinc not funding and paying the vendors! where are the new cars? We could use about 2,000 cars to replace all the junkers we have! taxes are rising why does so much go into daley and friends pockets? Why does his best friend walsh have 3+ jets and 2 new helicopters? We paid for it right richie!
It is amazing that the broke-ass CTA is getting all new train cars with plasma TV's and the police get nothing.
Why race anywhere? They will fry you over any crash. They got fools in 025 who go lights a flashing to a parking ticket...
LOOK ! times and public attitudes have changed. before you do anything on or off the job you have to ask yourself.....what would happen to a citizen if they did this? then take that punishment and double it for a policeman.
IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT ANYMORE.
the dogs are the smart ones.
When the police ran EMMD there were always 25 marked pool cars and 10 unmarked pool cars available at each of the four police garages at any given time. New cars were a line item in every yearly budget. What is being experienced now is the result of the fleet management take over of the four garages that was engineered by Mike Picardi and his jag off lackey Glenn Tatara.
this is a horrible story and it seems a lose lose situation...
CAN THEY DO THAT??
i work with a lot of officers that areyoung-time on the job and/or age. at least 75% drive like madmen to 'hot' calls. wtf for????? it aint worth it
Just imagine responding to an emergency call and you're working at the traffic congested Districts (i.e. 18th, 001st) where some of these ignorant people don't know what to do when an emergency vehicle is closely approaching them. They (civialians) don't slow down or even pull to the right. Why? Because they are too busy talking on their fucking cell phone or just don't give a fuck about the police. 10-1 will be the only reason I will activate lights and siren. The rest could screw themselves. I won't risk losing my freedom nor my properties because some idiots don't pay attention when they're on the road..
As soon as a ppo gets off probation, they want to go to special units, or their clout has them moved to a cushy unit/assignment.
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Get use to it. They will also get promoted over you. Regular, un-clouted people do not take this job anymore.
Would you take it again now? Probably not. Balless department that wants to hang you for doing your job, No chance of promotion, don't make enough money to buy a house in the City you are FORCED to live in, pension slipping away from your grasp, health care getting pissed away with every contract, etc etc.
well if we can be charged with a crime for responding to a crime with lights and sirens why the fuck are all u retards doing it?
Laws to protects PO's or emergancy workers? This means nothing, laws are really guidlines, its the interpretation of the judge and jury that counts and yes laws are manipulated on a regular basis. Don't stick your neck out unless it for a best friend or direct family.
HERES AN IDEA...LETS HAVE BENEFITS FOR EVERY COP WHO DRIVES DRUNK AND IS TAKING SUSPENSION DAYS......SURE HERE'S SOME MONEY FOR STEPPING ON YOUR OWN D*CK!!.....AND KNOW I DON'T DRINK!!
The new kids should work a dist. for at least 5 years before they go anywhere to actually learn the job right.
Listen up J-FED!
These 2 minute wonders are ruining the entire force, and that includes the merit sgts. and lt's who don't know their as_ from a hole in the ground
After 5 years in a district nobody will want to do anything, which is why they get them after two or three so they can actually get some work out of them....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
off topic.. this just in. a polish army transport plane crashed late last night. Officials say that so far 20 bodies have been recovered from the cemetary in which the plane crashed. officials estimate the number will rise as digging for survivors continues thoughout the night... hopefully they find some survivors
1/24/2008 12:36:00 AM
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Anonymous said...
I thought there were laws in place that allowed for PO's not to be procecuted criminally for acts that are done within the scope of the law, albiet negligently, when responding to emergency calls.
I mean.. if you shoot at an armed offender and miss and grandma down the street gets hit, doesnt the criminal, if caught, still get charged since it was his actions that caused the discharge of your firearm?
1/24/2008 04:54:00 AM
Y E S!!! The hit and run OFFENDER should be charged with homicide, and the officer should be subject to discipline from the DEPT.....but this is cook county, I supposse there is no attention paid to color of law....This officer was acting under color of law, going to a call, had the lights on and judgement off...it's NOT a crime...it's a tragic accident that he has to live with. Should have been terminated at worst...I hope he sues the shit out of the county....
...At least we have money for C.P.I.C. the DOC and other unnecessiary nonsense.
Your blue collar mentality is showing, figure it out these special units exist due to Federal funds specifically for those units.
When you go to TARA the feds pay for your time at TARA as well as for the PO who gets OT to fill your spot.
The PO's at CPIC, TARA etc are being covered by the feds (Homeland Security grants).
The city has money budgeted for these POs (TARA, CPIC)but they don't have to spend it because the fed is covering their salaries.
What should upset POs is :where is the money going if the fed is paying the salary for 30 CPIC, 20 TARA officers, etc. The money budgeted for those officers is being spent somewhere else instead of replacing them on the streets.
Maybe they should eliminat the take home car. Why should someone have a car that sits infront of thier house most of the time when patrol doen't even have cars to answer calls of service.
Check out officer.com Illinois State Police reccomended to the States Attorney to file reckless manslaughter against one of its troopers, that was involved in an accident on the way to a call.
http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=39912
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE UNMARKED CARS THAT HAVE NO EQUIPMENT!!!!
CAN WE BORROW THE LED LIGHTS FROM THE FN SPCL PEOPLE!!!!!
WOW!!! 2008 AND YOU STILL CAN'T GET THE CAR ISSUES RIGHT!!!
WTF!!!!! ANY BOSS WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS??????
you know what. every incident or scenerio is different. way too many factors to judge every crash with the same view. it also has alot to do with the officers driving skills and judgement. stop shoving the ole dont chase down my throat.
just read state police are pushing for reckless homicide charges against one of their own who crashed on duty and killed two
Boys and girls cut the being in a hurry! I was driving with my wife tonight on cicero near 55th street when an unmarked came flying around the corner going eastbound on 55th street with lights blaring, slippery out sure looked like commander ric flair from 008 in a hurry then crossed R/R tracks with gates down right in front of a train hope he was going to a 10-1 but then again if it is a boss they are above the law!
1/23/2008 10:54:00 PM
Actually it was a 10-1. a 15 district tact guy got run over by a shithead who was buying dope. Rick Flair was the acting Street Deputy that Night. I hear nothing but good things about the 15 dist. Tact guy. He had surgery at cook county. Hope all is well for this guy. god bless.
I believe this incident occurred in the peoples republic of wisconsin. the entire state is run by the academics from UW and the teachers unions.
CNN reporter to Marine sniper: "what do you F E E E E L when you shoot an insurgant?"
Marine sniper to CNN reporter:
"recoil"
I read the article. It happened in Wisconsin. Enough said.
HELL, BOYS AND GIRLS HER'S AN EXAMPLE CLOSER TO HOME INVOVING ISP TROOPER YESTERDAY NEAR ST. LOUIS....
News-Democrat
BELLEVILLE --Two Collinsville sisters who were killed in November when an Illinois State Police cruiser hit their vehicle died as a result of reckless homicide, a St. Clair County coroner's jury ruled Wednesday morning.
Later in the morning, ISP internal affairs investigators probing the fatal Nov. 23 crash asked State's Attorney Robert Haida to seek reckless homicide charges against trooper Matt Mitchelll, Haida said.
Haida said he must review evidence in the case before deciding whether to seek charges against Mitchell, 29, a six-year ISP veteran.
Mitchell's 2006 ISP Impala was traveling at 126 mph when he lost control of the vehicle at about noon on Nov. 23, crossing the Interstate 64 median near Shiloh and slamming into the car driven by Jessica Uhl, 18, and Kelli Uhl, 13, according to testimony given by an ISP accident reconstructionist.
For the full story, read the News-Democrat tomorrow or go online to www.belleville news-democrat.com
I cant think of many reasons at all to drive like that. The only reason to drive Lights and Siren to me is a 10-1!
Unless your name is Marcia and your in a hurry to check on your crossing guards
Slow down boys and girls. Especially with the unmarked cars that only have them F'cking wig wags on the front lights. It's bad enough when Mr. citizen sees blue lights they don't slow down or stop. Whan they can hardly see you at all they just keep on going. Remember with the heat and radio on in their car the only thing that warns them is the lights and most unmarked cars don't have anything but wigwags. Better to get to the call a little slower than not getting there at all.
NO POOL CARS!!! "WTF" NO REGULARCARS!!!
FLEET WAKE UP!!!!!!!!
PROBLEMS: Fleet has a problem returning my regular car in a respectful time... and as soon as I get the car back it goes down again within the same week.
ANSWERS: Why is City Hall allowing this to happen??
SOLUTION: Make changes by starting with those who are F*#ckin up the Fleet!!!
Im sure the new Supt, will help out with these issues.....after he gets his new RIDE.
Fuck a new academy,how about a new fucking car J-Fraud?
1/24/2008 01:47:00 AM
Fuck the new car, how about just a car that works right?
its really crazy...imagine a domestic call you show up late and victim is dead. Because now you dont want to get in accident on the way to a call. ????????????????????????????
CIRCUS CITY
If I was in charge, I would be begging my fellow officers to slow down. You don't have to be the first one at the in progress call. A majority of them are bullshit anyway. For God's sake, don't chance it, unless it's a 10-1. Go home to your love ones. There is no shame being number two or three arriving on the scene.
USE COMMON SENSE.
1-A means nothing, 10-1 means get your ass there and help.
A cop going lights and siren to a call...indicted for homicide.
Another example of how this job has gone to the shitter.
Amen. My lights and siren just stopped working permanently unless to b/u another copper. This entire society has now adopted the fucked up not my fault blame someone else of the reverends. I honest to god wanna puke.
Officers, this is your wake-up call. Use sound judgement when responding to your calls. Although I'm sure this Deputy regrets it, someone's child is dead due to his negligence.
Go fuck yourself you sanctimonious jagstick. What is your definition of sound judgment? I'm betting its to hurry the fuck up and do what it takes if its you calling 10-1 or your wife calling in the prowler while you're gone,but you will second guess and judge someone for something else.
Hope its your family that the cops that give up due to idiotic situations like this are late going to help.
You really oughta be ashamed.
Of all the nonsense that we see and hear at roll call, this is the most important....please drive carefully, on and off duty. Go like gangbusters if a copper is in trouble, being careful there too....hot calls? go with great caution, no one is listening for those sirens or looking for the light.....on the cell....tunes up high....windows up....it's not in our favor. Going home is the idea.....stay safe out there!
I just read the story on a website. He was going to assist another officer who was chasing a guy who fled from an accident scene. Crash investigators said that both his and the victim's views were most likely obstructed. Therefore neither were able to see each other until it was too late. With that being said he still gets charged. I thought our State's attorneys' office was bad! I don't mean any disrespect to the victim or her family. Its a tragic accident. But only an accident. This profession is getting crazy! I should become a politician. They get away with everything.
Hey don't worry guys, those FOP medallions stuck on the back of your pickup and the St. Jude's sticker in your window will protect you from ending up in a wheelchair when you get in a wreck while driving like a complete asshat off duty. Right?
And everyone knows that while on duty, in a Department vehicle, you can do ANYTHING you want. Right?
Right???!??!?!?!?!?
Anonymous said...
I thought there were laws in place that allowed for PO's not to be procecuted criminally for acts that are done within the scope of the law, albiet negligently, when responding to emergency calls.
I mean.. if you shoot at an armed offender and miss and grandma down the street gets hit, doesnt the criminal, if caught, still get charged since it was his actions that caused the discharge of your firearm?
1/24/2008 04:54:00 AM
Its a whole new ball of wax boys and girls.They fill your head with BS at the academy.Then the FTO BSs you and so do all your bosses.
Its called the false confidence technique.Next thing you know you are un-employed,loose your home,and do some jail time.
Is this job worth it nowdays??
They are looking for any reason to put the police behind bars and every reason to let the bag guys off the hook and out of jail.
Evryone wants to believe that police are corrupt like that movie they saw American Gangster...
wait a CNN report shows that the only thing true about the movie was that the Denzel charachter was a bad guy.
If your a youn adult reading this I highly advise to pass on this job. One mistake you make with a 30 second decision time will be second guessed and picked apart for months by the media who will sell more papers, ASA s who are politicians and like to have convicted cops on thier resume, and Bureacrats like Starks and Weis who are willing to bury you to make themselves look good.
I thought there were laws in place that allowed for PO's not to be procecuted criminally for acts that are done within the scope of the law, albiet negligently, when responding to emergency calls.
I mean.. if you shoot at an armed offender and miss and grandma down the street gets hit, doesnt the criminal, if caught, still get charged since it was his actions that caused the discharge of your firearm?
No its your fault you should have known that by chasing him you were endangering the lives of citizens who are entitled to big cash settlements.
ISP is pushing for reckless homicide charges against one of its troopers for killing two sisters in a wreck while driving 126 mph. Sad.
Anonymous said...
These 2 minute wonders are ruining the entire force, and that includes the merit sgts. and lt's who don't know their as_ from a hole in the ground.
1/24/2008 12:03:00 AM
I heard one of the "boss kid" new merit dicks in training fell out today in the academy classroom. Must have been too much evil Chili for lunch. Wonder what would happen at a bloody crime scene.
It was found that the deputy was traveling at 120 mph. That's negligent but WTF I don't think 10 years in jail is the right punishment.
Be carful out there my brothers and sisters in blue!!!!
A lot of you guys better start reading the laws you are trained to enforce. There are emergency situations, and there are not. Just because you have lights a sirens activated doesn't make it an emergency. Think people, you will bwe held responsable for your actions.
Jeez...I didn't even know an Impala could DO 126 mph....and one has to wonder, just what kind of CONTROL does one have over a car going that fast?
NONE. USE COMMON SENSE OUT HERE PEOPLE. YOU CAN'T HELP ANYONE IF YOU CAN'T GET THERE.
it goes back to what you have heard over and over at roll calls,what good does it do going balls to the wall if you don't get there because of a crash? you are not helping the person calling for help, yourself, or the person you crashed into...
Anonymous said...
HERES AN IDEA...LETS HAVE BENEFITS FOR EVERY COP WHO DRIVES DRUNK AND IS TAKING SUSPENSION DAYS......SURE HERE'S SOME MONEY FOR STEPPING ON YOUR OWN D*CK!!.....AND KNOW I DON'T DRINK!!
1/24/2008 10:21:00 AM
good for you...now go fuck yourself
Anonymous said...
It was found that the deputy was traveling at 120 mph. That's negligent but WTF I don't think 10 years in jail is the right punishment.
Be carful out there my brothers and sisters in blue!!!!
1/24/2008 08:15:00 PM............................I'll bet if that was your daughter/sister/girlfriend that deputy numbnuts plowed into you'd feel different.
City you are FORCED to live in,
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Sorry, and I would like to live out as well, but we weren't forced to live here. We volunteered.
"I hear nothing but good things about the 15 dist. Tact guy."
That's a irrelevant asinine dummy statement. What if you "heard" nothing but bad things about the guy?
Would it be F'him he deserved to get run over?
Learn how to put phrases into proper context, or just SHUT THE HELL UP!!
If the city has money for those red light cameras,why dont they install those gizmos that make traffic lights turn red in all directions when you guys are rushing to a call.These are working great in the suburbs,and it would be a great assist to the CPD cars with sirens no louder than a tricycle horn....
well, I guess we dont have to worry. your shitboxes cant do 90 on the highway on mnidnights much less 120 anywhere in the city on a call. if we even have a car to drive!
Anonymous said...
Maybe they should eliminat the take home car. Why should someone have a car that sits infront of thier house most of the time when patrol doen't even have cars to answer calls of service.
1/24/2008 11:33:00 AM
Your right cruise the neighbor hood look at all the cars,especially unmarks with car plates with all the lights inside maybe no one knows its a squad car right?? they are sometimes parked for days so some goof can use it for personaluse, like shopping and taking the kids to school! clout rules!
Ever since the great manager our mayor gave the police fleet to the fleet management, we have seen a decline in pool vehicles and the overall quality of service of Dept. Vehicles. The last two real police commanders of Motor Maintenance cared about pool cars for patrol and had the right point of view about specialized bunk units patrol came first.
If a CPD vehicle does not function properly(ex. no turn signal) then down it. Do not drive a vehicle that will not pass ALL of the safety measures that the state mandates.
its really crazy...imagine a domestic call you show up late and victim is dead. Because now you dont want to get in accident on the way to a call. ????????????????????????????
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Relax.
Just write "Homicide" in box 1 instead of "Battery."
What are you all worked up about.
They were killing each other before you got on the job, and they'll be killing each other long after you leave.
Relax. Slow down. You'll live longer.
53 years old and still a softball.
SISTER TOMASINO said...
If a CPD vehicle does not function properly(ex. no turn signal) then down it. Do not drive a vehicle that will not pass ALL of the safety measures that the state mandates.
1/25/2008 03:26:00 PM
Your right! is it to much to ask for a car without bald tires, with brakes that work, and with functioning equipment? Fleet management has no mechanics only parts changers who now dur to daley/picardi have no parts on hand to replace anything! detroit has cars with holes in the floors we are stedaily catching up! maybe we should use mass transit to get to our calls at least the busses seem to run!
The guys/gals with the take home cars aren't the problem, Francis!
It's all you 26 to 32 year old "vundercops" who can't steer yourselves clear of stationary (and usually concrete) objects!
Slow down...drive carefully! The lights and sirens are NOT a license to be reckless! Hell, you should all want to come in at the end of the day without a doctor's release folded up in your hats.
1/24/2008 08:15:00 PM............................I'll bet if that was your daughter/sister/girlfriend that deputy numbnuts plowed into you'd feel different.
1/24/2008 11:47:00 PM
I'll bet if it's your wife/daughter/sister screaming for help because she's getting raped and beaten, you'd feel different if I go 30mph and obey every traffic law in the book. IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, DON'T JUDGE.
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