Sunday, February 17, 2008

Making Hay out of Death

The bodies aren't even cold, and these anti-gun Brady people are all over the place with their sanctimonious bullshit. We're going to de-construct one of the more egregious articles, this one from the Tribune:
  • Parents of students at Northern Illinois University met in Skokie on Saturday to push for stricter gun control laws in the wake of the shooting on campus.

    "It's appalling that these weapons are on our streets," said Connie Catellani, a Skokie mother whose son is a senior at NIU. "These guns are not for self- defense. They're for mayhem."
Hyperbole and bullshit. Pistols are primarily self defense weapons. In the military, they are a weapon of last resort. You don't see armies marching off to war with pistols. And the vast majority of the injuries inflicted on the students? A Remington 870 pump action shotgun - the same type of weapon you can find in every single district police station, some with more time on the job than many captains.
  • A leader of the national group Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence spoke about the need for gun-control legislation, including universal background checks and a ban on assault weapons. About two dozen parents held a news conference in a classroom at Oakton Community College on Saturday morning.
Not a single one of these weapons is a so called "assault weapon." The gun grabbers are going nuts over common pistols and a shotgun designed around 1950. Scare tactics.
  • The NIU gunman, who opened fire in a crowded lecture hall Thursday afternoon, killing five, was able to do so much harm in two minutes because he could buy four guns easily, said Jennifer Bishop, a national program director for victim's families.
No, he was able to inflict so much damage because he surprised a group of unarmed students in a confined area with only three exits. He was able to sneak in an unlocked backstage door and he used a shotgun which is designed to scatter multiple pellets in a cloud to kill small game. The NIU police responded in two minutes and the gunman was already dead. TWO MINUTES! Nothing was going to stop this asshole from killing people in two minutes flat. Our OEMC considers a Priority 1A job (domestic, shots fired, battery-in-progress) dispatched on time if they get a car assigned in TEN minutes. And even if he had twenty guns, he still only has two hands and you need both to operate a shotgun.
  • Police say the gunman, Steven Kazmierczak, brought a shotgun and three handguns into the classroom.

    "We are outraged because this doesn't have to happen," Bishop said.
No, it doesn't have to happen. If only his family recognized the warning signs... oh wait, they did! He was committed for over a year to a psychiatric facility for mental problems in the late 1990s. He also had experienced a number of setbacks in his personal life and was reaching out to people he hadn't seen in over a decade.

Well, maybe if someone else recognized the signs... oh wait, they did! The US Army of all institutions gave him an psychological discharge in 2001-2002 during basic training.

What if he was limited to one handgun purchase a month as has been proposed numerous times in this state and elsewhere? Oh wait, he bought one pistol 06 August 07, one pistol 30 December 07, and picked up a third pistol 09 February 08 along with the shotgun.

Maybe the State of Illinois should have caught his mental instability when he applied for an FOID card... oh wait, that's only for persons in treatment within the past 5 years. And that's only if they ADMIT it. Anyone reading think the State Police have anywhere near the manpower and money to go digging into peoples' past medical histories. Doesn't HIPPA come into play here?

Let's face facts. A gun is an inert piece of metal. In some cases, a finely machined piece of metal, in other cases a cast piece of shit or a stamped hunk of ore. It will sit there for thousands of years and never harm a soul until someone picks it up, loads it, points it and uses it. A gun is a tool.

Of the pages and pages of law written and proposed, what exactly is supposed to stop someone from killing another human being if they really want to? And if you want to kill a whole bunch of human beings, are you going to walk into a police station? An army barracks? Maybe a gun show? After all, there are hundreds, sometimes thousands of guns at a gun show. The bodies must stack up at gun shows, right?

Or are you going to go to one of the soft targets where no one is allowed to carry a gun, they leave doors unlocked into rooms with limited exits, and the police are minutes, maybe even tens of minutes away?

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130 Comments:

Anonymous Blue DeVille said...

If irresponsible people can obtain firearms, then responsible people should be able to obtain firearms.

Lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. Bang!

2/16/2008 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes.

2/16/2008 11:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ROAD BLOCK OUT SIDE OF DUGANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRYING TO BUST DRUNK COPPERS

2/16/2008 11:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps the whore gungrabbing liberals would be happier if he'd a
strapped a fertilizer bomb to his body and took out 20 people.

2/16/2008 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would say if the US Army declares you to be unfit for the right to carry arms into battle and possibly get killed for your Country; that that should be the ultimate warning sign.

2/17/2008 12:05:00 AM  
Blogger Magilla Guerilla said...

I predicted that the Brady Bunch would have a press release out before the bodies were even cold, and I was right.

It's a shame that the people in that auditorium weren't even allowed the right to defend themselves.

And it's even more of a shame that the politicians KNOW what could have stopped this (a law-abiding citizen with a pistol) and yet absolutely refuse to consider Shall-Issue Concealed Carry for Illinois Citizens.

2/17/2008 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where did he get his money to afford education,apartment,several guns with ammo,his medications the hotel room etc. Wonder if he was on SSI disability for the mental problems? Gotta wonder where this guy got all the money to afford his lifestyle. Sure hope it wasn't a monthly check from the government.

2/17/2008 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a person who has a family member who suffers from a mental illness. Not all people who suffer from MI kill people. Many of them lead normal lives. However, I want you to understand that it is a life long battle with very little support in this country. People who have MI do not chose to live in a world of chaos. If you know someone, or encounter someone with MI don't be afraid to lend a helping hand, you may save a life, or many!

2/17/2008 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME. YOU TOOK THE THOUGHTS OUT OF MY HEAD AND PUT THEM ON THE BOARD. MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT WITH THE VICTIMS, BUT LIKE YOU GUYS SAID, IF THAT GUY WANTED CHAOS AND MAYHEM HE COULD OF USED A CROSSBOW AN AXE OR A SLEDGE HAMMER, ALL WHICH CAN BE PURCHASED AT MENARDS OR HOME DEPOT. YOU GUYS ARE GREAT, KEEP UP THE GREAT REPORTING.

2/17/2008 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WELL SAID SCC, WELL SAID!!!!

2/17/2008 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He didnt even use an exotic assault
shotgun like a AA12,M1014, or even a Benelli!
He used an 870, which is registerable even under Chicago's NAZI gun laws.
Speaking of NAZIs, HEIL LISA, DALEY
BLAGO, STROGER,THE SA LOSER, BEAVERS;
castro, chavez,ahmadinejadare are very proud of your work and have positions for you in THEIR world order. Make sure your women like the burka thing.......

2/17/2008 01:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, 2 minutes is a helluva long time, IF someone, other than the assailant, has a firearm with them AND knows how to use it.

All this assailant needed was the 870.

The pistols were the least likely to achieve widespread hits, compared to the shotgun.

Not to mention the physical motions the assailant had to perform to: discharge it, work the pump action, discharge it, work the pump action, discharge it, work the pump action,.........

Time, perhaps, for someone there, who was armed, to interfere with the flow of events.

Had there been someone there who was armed, besides the assailant.

Apparently, no one trusts those citizens of voting age to possess the means to live long enough to actually vote.

2/17/2008 01:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

learn to defend yourself, more laws = more innocent people unarmed and waiting to be slautherd, reaction, people need to have a gun in college just as a textbook.

2/17/2008 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the vast majority of the injuries inflicted on the students? A Remington 870 pump action shotgun - the same type of weapon you can find in every single district police station,

6 shots from the shot gun versus 48 from the handguns.... depending on the type of shot in the 870 (and even if it were 00 buck) I might have to disagree with you... But everything else youre right on. But please remember you are dealing with a bunch of academic liberals who think George Bush and the rest of us conservatives are the devil. I have a graduate degree and Ill be the first to admit the world of academia is that of a bunch of fairytales! This is just a soapbox for them to stand on and say "SEE WE TOLD YOU SO!!" Instead of realizing the real tragedy, these pathetic pukes are taking advantage of a horrible situation to advance their unconstitutional cause. I feel for the families of the victims, but these puke organizations using this as a platform... well they really should go get fucked. Im not a huge supporter of guns, nor am I an anti gun advocate. honestly, I dont really care one way or the other. But I understand the constitution of the USA. And trample one right where does it end. Im a supporter of what I think is right. And if these statements are actually coming from family, then I would have to think they are just dealing with the steps of grieving and may god be with them.

2/17/2008 02:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word from multiple sources was J-Fed was out with a DUI taskforce staking out favorite cop watering holes in 008, 012, 016 and 022 Fri and Sat night.

Anyone have more info on this, if it is even true?

2/17/2008 03:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy Gun Control Sucks Batman!

I believe whole heartedly that all responsible and lawful U.S. citizens have a right to bear arms. I don't know what it would be like to sit in a classroom with students who all had guns. Being the police I would feel uncomfortable with that image. Media violence is at an all time high and our youth are exposed to it all day, everyday. Our social responsibility and ethics are at an all time low and our society is obscene. As do populations grow our problems will grow and the quality of our lives will diminish. Having a gun in your home, place of business or perhaps designating certain persons within schools to carry them is ok with me.

Every gun I took off the street was illegally possessed by the person who had it. Some of them were illegal immigrants. They did not qualify or have an FOID card. The gun was not register with the City and most likely couldn’t be by our ordinance requirements. My point here is nothing stops a criminal from carrying a gun. And perhaps it is time for law abiding U.S. citizens to have the right to protect themselves since the police cannot be everywhere. In light of the growing threat of terrorism directed at our under protected children. And since our politicians, minorities and majorities don’t want the police to be the police then they the “public” need to armed themselves. If you think about it. If a citizen kills a bad guy the bad guy’s family can’t sue the City for wrongful death.

Let our good citizens share the responsibility in protecting themselves, their families and possessions. I am glad be a human garbage hauler. They can call 311 anytime for a pick up of dead assholes, thieving burglars & robbers, rapists, would be murders and gang thugs. And then maybe American citizens can share that peace of mind knowing that they too are armed and safer being given the opportunity to carry a gun. Amen.

2/17/2008 03:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic. i heard j-fed had road blocks set up in 018 looking for drunk copper.

2/17/2008 05:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did the media fail to mention that the shooter was a registered DEMOCRAT!!!!!
Also, all of the term papers he submitted in college indicate that he was an avowed SOCIALIST.

2/17/2008 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hitler had the most restrictive gun laws you can have-Death. As soon as the Allies invaded, the frogs dug up their guns and started popping Nazis. Gun banning doesn't work.

2/17/2008 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Join the NRA!!!

Unless Illinois passes concealed carry there will be plenty more of these horrible atrocities. The liberals have disarmed you sheep and made you easy prey to the wolves.

An armed society is a polite society!!!

2/17/2008 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please tell me none of the boys in blue got caught up last night in the nonsense. WTF,this job is upside down nowadays.

2/17/2008 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope JFed catches some Feds,ASA's,pols,Reverends,celebs,news media and violent maniacs in his little roadblock experiment. I want to see how legitimate he is????

Wouldn't it be interesting to see what would happen?

2/17/2008 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC,

Why waste ink trying to teach logic to brainwashed idiots?

Social Darwinism will rectify society's evils (liberals included) in the not too distant future.

2/17/2008 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is really sad is the utter lack of shame exercised by the Anti-2nd Amendment crowd in exploiting grieving parents and victim's family members.

Truth really hurts,it is very hard to maintain a lie forever. Concealed Carry more than likely would have saved some of those poor innocent children that were brutally gunned down in cold blood at NIU. The parents should think about that one,long and hard.

Am I being cold,YES. We are coppers and we see things in black and white when everyone else sees gray.

2/17/2008 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry SCC don't agree with any of you pro gun rhetoric. guns have ruined our society... over and over again. it's too bad guns were ever made, just like Einstein regretted in developing the atom bomb. we need a Russell-Einstein Manifesto for guns.

it'd be interesting to see what would happen if we allowed everyone who can carry a firearm, to carry one. judging from how erratic and unbalanced our society is, we'd probably have an all out civil war, with no sides.

2/17/2008 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don't have to write all that commentary SCC ... we know these people are full of shit.

2/17/2008 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No, he was able to inflict so much damage because he surprised a group of unarmed students..."

honestly, how many college kids would be bringing a gun to class? Okay, in this day in age, every college student should be armed. but realistically, no, it's not going to happen. someone on the news brought up arming the teachers, i'm all for that.

2/17/2008 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear SCC,

I love your blog, but you've got to take it easy on the pro-gun bullshit. You are so far out in right field, you're not even in the game. Allow me to illustrate my point with a couple of questions.

1. Germany, France, England, Spain (to name a few) all have far more lax criminal codes (i.e. far fewer people in prisons, shorter prison terms for comparable crime, etc.) yet, all have far less than one-tenth the gun violence we have. They also don't have crazy kids shooting up their schools. Why do you suppose that is? Could it have something to do with the fact that their citizenry does not have easy access to firearms?

2. Do you really, honestly, think that our officers carrying weapons off duty has resulted in more good deeds or tragedies? There have been many, many officer and family suicides because an inert pistol was readily available to do the job. There have been many domestic/drinking situations that have ended in tragedy or criminal charges or the loss of employment for police because of the use of a firearm. I'm certain that for every heroic deed you can come up with, I can give you two tragedies. Leave the gun (and the chip on your shoulder) at home and enjoy yourself.

Go Obama!!

2/17/2008 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a thought....maybe people in this country who are documented mentally unstable should be listed in the criminal files under such, and they will be denied the ability to purchase handguns and ammo through legitimate means.
If you had to submit a print to purchase those items and were listed in the database as a certified loon, you couldn't make a purchase. I understand the NIU mass murderer purchased those weapons from a gun store recently before he went on his rampage. This would have stopped the guy cold, as I understand his parents had him committed in his teens, and the Army discharged him for psychological reasons; more than enough of a paper trail to have had this guy in a database as unstable.

2/17/2008 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes,its time once again to buy another gun.Cm'on Federal government send me my rebate check.

2/17/2008 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to go to Cabelas in Indiana and buy me a S&W AR15.

2/17/2008 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not gun person nor am I an anti-gun person but why does there always need to be something MORE to blame? This happened because he was nucking futs plain and simple...not "high risk" he was nucking futs if it wasn't a gun it would have been something else. We live in a very obnoxious, head up our ass society right now...I wonder when will it stop? Oh well I'll be outside smoking if you need me. stop blaming inanimate objects.

signed,
a former gunshot victim

2/17/2008 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word from multiple sources was J-Fed was out with a DUI taskforce staking out favorite cop watering holes in 008, 012, 016 and 022 Fri and Sat night.

DON'T KNOW I WAS DRINKING IN MY BASEMENT :)

2/17/2008 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous charlton heston said...

Why does Burke need a bodyguard detail? Alderclowns can get a permit to carry. Let the prick take his chances with that, which is MORE PROTECTION than the average citizen of Illinois is afforded

He got threatened? Poor baby. In the preformance of official duty I've been threatened by gangbangers from some of this nation's most bloodthirsty and violent street gangs. Where's MY detail?!

Someone needs to revoke this assh*le's detail immediately. Jody, you listening?

2/17/2008 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In my opinion, background checks are no longer good enough. Perhaps the physical and mental health of individuals should be mandatory. Forgot about patients rights for privacy. If someone is on anti depressant medications, his or her application for purchasing a weapon should be denied. The state may be able to secure a link into the pharamices to see what medications the applicant is taking. I don't know what the solution is. All I know is that parents will home school their children if something drastic isn't done.

2/17/2008 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WE NEED NEW LAWS !!!


I propose legislation banning ALL
meat cleavers and 9" knives!

2/17/2008 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

2/17/2008 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He was committed for over a year to a psychiatric facility for mental problems in the late 1990s."

If he was committed he would not be able to get a FOID.He was admmitted to a mental health facility.You have to be ajudicated mentally incompetant by a mental health court to be committed.

2/17/2008 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I would say if the US Army declares you to be unfit for the right to carry arms into battle and possibly get killed for your Country; that that should be the ultimate warning sign.

2/17/2008 12:05:00 AM

Like the Armed Forces knows what they are doing??Why do they let all the gang bangers in,genius.

2/17/2008 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Traffic man said...

SCC -

OFF TOPIC, but post it as YOU see fit.


As far as 022, and that is all I KNOW, and that is all I WILL COMMENT on, the DUI checks conducted last night (Saturday, Feb 16th into early today, Sunday Feb 17th) were ANNOUNCED a long time ago.

The information was readily available on the CPD website that citizens could look at. There was no scheme of Jody out to get PO's...not ture, the check points and DUI teams were going to be there.

Nuff said.

2/17/2008 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ban gasoline,chew on this anti-gun folks,nobody wants you to know about this one.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/happyland/fuego_3.html

2/17/2008 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger RAG said...

Some of the comments, from a law enforcement standpoint, raise other good questions, such as whether we need to consider if officers are in need of more technologically advanced weapons.

In my day -- more than three decades ago -- I started with a Model 10 .38 special and moved up to a Model .19 .357 magnum (the well-heeled could afford Colt Pythons). Research at the time, however, suggested the most stopping power was vested in the .41 magnum.

Then came the 9mm and .45's, the latter being quite old technology.

With all the other technological improvements in our society, why is it that officers are constrained to using such old technology to protect themselves and others? Where is the R&D on this?

True, old and cheap technology has blown away many people, but there's no excuse for failing to give law enforcement better and more advanced weapons.

I know this is a different take, but it's something that needs to be said.

2/17/2008 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crooked Lil Richie was on TV right away condeming the guns and not the shooters. With TWENTY TWO armed servants of his own, the lil hypocrit wants everyone else disarmed.

Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, Daley's fellow leftists, all agreed. It's unsafe (for them) to have an armed citizenry.
Join the NRA today and ruin Daley's day.

NRA.COM

2/17/2008 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE....PEOPLE DO!!!!

2/17/2008 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We done fucked!

2/17/2008 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Pistols are primarily self defense weapons." ?!$@#&%(! Who the fuck do you think you're crappin', SCC? Pistols can't think. Only their moronic owners can. According to you, those pistols that killed the kids at NIU must not have been the "self defense" variety. What gun shops sell rogue psychotic, offensive murderous pistols like those NIU guns? If we could just answer that question........problem solved!

Make love, not war.

2/17/2008 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm calling major bullshit on the Sup setting up roadblocks.

2/17/2008 11:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was my response in the local paper.

Victim Zone wrote on Feb 16, 2008 12:35 PM:

One more example of a "gun free zone". Why not call them what they really are, "victim zones". A sick, lone individual, off of his medication and not even a student at NIU manages to get 54 shots off and no-one has the ability to defend themself. What is wrong with this picture? Where is the outrage that should be directed against our lawmakers who created this situation? Why are our sons and daughters deliberately placed in harms way by politicians who refuse to see the conequence of their unworkable gun laws in Illinois?

2/17/2008 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck it, SCC. I've got a really smart and responsible 3rd grader. Why shouldn't he be allowed to pack a little heat at school? He can easily handle the recoil of a .22 semi-auto and it would keep playground chicanery to a minimum.

2/17/2008 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Word from multiple sources was J-Fed was out with a DUI taskforce staking out favorite cop watering holes in 008, 012, 016 and 022 Fri and Sat night.

Anyone have more info on this, if it is even true?

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Don't get fucked up and this shouldn't be a problem.

2/17/2008 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No Gun Control Laws would have prevented Northen Illinois and Lane Bryant massacres! These guys were NUTS and Criminals! No rule of law is going to stop these folks at all! Criminals are going to violate any laws that are out there! That is what criminals do!

I suggest a better opiton would be better security!

Lane Bryant had no security videos available thus it is impossible to know what went on inside that store!

Northen Illinois like most Universities have very relaxed security rules because they don't want students to feel like their in prison and to curb free expressions!

Gun control also would not have worked because the shooter at NIU was a squeaky, clean dork grad studet with NO criminal history! Thus he would have qualified under any strict gun control laws! He was just NUTS!

Gun control laws does nothing more than make more innocent victims that can't protect themselves!

2/17/2008 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any word on the road blocks? Was it all a bunch of bull shit? When will the posts come about how Jody heard about the text messages and called them off? Come on?! And if you buy into this blog there was to be a road block in every non ghetto district targeting cops! By the way, aside from FOP crap, how would these road blocks be able to target the police? Anyways, kudos to whomever started thi one... Im sure its the same person who started the swiping scare!

2/17/2008 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was out all over last night. No roadblocks. They have DUI checkpoints every weekend. That is nothing new. That rumor is a result of someone making it up and idiot coppers telling everyone else. The usual "You know what I heard?..."

2/17/2008 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both sides of the gun control issue are playing this situation.

The reality is guns are NOT going to be made illegal in this country. The question is then how do you deal with it.

Arming younger students on a college campus like NIU is nuts. Allowing some faculty or staff to be armed is a different thing.

There were about 17,000 murders in the USA in 2006. How many were "mass murders"? Let's define "mass murder" as 3 or more killed non family situation. Less than 100? Less than 200? I can't find the numbers. Not all of that 17,000 were committed with firearms.

The bigger issue should be trying to figure out how to reduce the day to day murders that plague certain communities. I'm not sure much can be realistically done to stop the dozen nuts who go on a rampage each year.

Maybe a few armed people could have made a positive difference at NIU. No way to know. I've been firing handguns since I was 17 year old in the Army and nearly 30 years later I am still not very good beyond 20-30 feet. Now give me an M-16 and 150 yards or less and that is another story.

The emphasis should be on keeping guns out of the hands of known criminals and their associates by making it too costly to consider. For example, you are a violent felon. You are found to be in possession of a handgun. Go to jail. Do not pass go. See you in 5-10 years. Maybe never.

Using a thankfully relatively rare situation like NIU as an argument on any side of gun control doesn't deal with the larger and more everyday threats.

2/17/2008 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic. i heard j-fed had road blocks set up in 018 looking for drunk copper.

2/17/2008 05:35:00 AM
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From the way you write and the time of your posting (05:35 AM)
I would have to say you are the "drunk copper".

2/17/2008 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ROAD BLOCK OUT SIDE OF DUGANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRYING TO BUST DRUNK COPPERS

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J-Fed better set up his fuckin' road blocks in front of the police station when I leave at night cause I'm getting fucked up at work.

Bitches!!!

2/17/2008 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a member of the NRA and ISRA, I do not what to see any new laws passed regarding gun ownership. Just enforce the ones that have been passed already. Also as much as I would like to see concealed carry, the thought of a class room filled with students packing scares me.

2/17/2008 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good...You Go J-Fed....Drunk coppers can only give us more black eyes!! Anyone who drinks and drives is a GOOF...You deserve to get caught...use your brain...try a taxi

2/17/2008 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If one of those college kids had means to respond to gunfire things might not have been sso bad. Maybe instead of being sheep in the slaughter like NIU, Virginis St. U., Tinley Pk, Browns Chicken etc. As far as taking away the guns, the assholes who use them in robberies, gangbanging drivebys have no problem getting guns whether they are convicted felons or not. We cannot rely on police or any other government agency to protect us. The bone headed liberals are to blame for this starting in the 1960s and getting worse ever since. Electing liberal judges, state's attornys and polititians along with letting the reverands have political power in the problem. SO, you boneheads should have some sympathy for us true americans who know how to handle weapons, then get out of our way.

2/17/2008 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous 29 years and a day reitred and gone said...

not that Im a gun grabber because Im not
But I think the theory is that the tool like any other tool makes the job of killng a little easier than a knife or posioning or bludgeoning etc

2/17/2008 02:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What else would you expect from a Skokie Mother. A lot of these are people who have never lifted a finger to protect themselves. That is why they will always be victims and everyone else has to fight their battles.

Keep electing liberal Democrats Mrs. Skokie and your son will never learn to be a man, just another whiner.

2/17/2008 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:24 and 1:34 AM, (one in the same)
With all of your technical knowledge of tac shotguns you must be one of those hut, hut, hut and go, go, go guys. You sir, are a loon.

2/17/2008 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Connie Catellani looks like John Denver in drag. All the rich cultural elite look alike, don't they? The shooter used buckshot. If he'd used 00, there'd of been more fatalities. Fun to watch Obama dance around the issue while campaigning in Wisconsin, a pro-gun state. "Well, this was really terrible, but I support gun owner's rights, too." Another double-talkin' politician with his "Change we can believe in."

2/17/2008 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous mulliganed said...

Hey SCC,

Check out this op-ed from Latimes.com, especially the drop in crime stats during a punitive sup administration.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-dunphy17feb17,0,2694265.story

2/17/2008 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a person who has a family member who suffers from a mental illness. Not all people who suffer from MI kill people. Many of them lead normal lives. However, I want you to understand that it is a life long battle with very little support in this country. People who have MI do not chose to live in a world of chaos. If you know someone, or encounter someone with MI don't be afraid to lend a helping hand, you may save a life, or many!

2/17/2008 12:26:00 AM

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Yes, people with MI need help, but our society thinks they can take care of themselves, but they cannot. This particular person went off his medication, then went berserk.
I agree, many people with MI can function normally in society, as long as they stay on and continually monitor their meds. The unfortunate part is that some of them aren't equipped to monitor their meds, they need supervision in that area, someone needs to be paying attention to them all the time... WHO WILL IT BE?
Another problem is all the HPPA laws where you can't be informed, or even notice that a person is on meds. HOW DOES THIS HELP? If we could know a person is on meds, we could keep an eye out, but no, we have to pretend that a person with MI is just as normal and able to cope with life's ups and downs as the rest of us, and that isn't true. This doesn't mean we should ostracize those with MI, it means we all need to reach out and be attentive to possible problems, to prevent this type of thing.
Check out that MOST school shooters had or have been treated for MI.

2/17/2008 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a person who has a family member who suffers from a mental illness. Not all people who suffer from MI kill people. Many of them lead normal lives. However, I want you to understand that it is a life long battle with very little support in this country. People who have MI do not chose to live in a world of chaos. If you know someone, or encounter someone with MI don't be afraid to lend a helping hand, you may save a life, or many!

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Thanks lib, but don't say I told you so when your family member kills.

2/17/2008 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No more drinking. Thanks Dad. More nanny state bullshit. No more breaks for anyone, politicians kids, city workers, out of towners they wage war on us-now its on them.

2/17/2008 03:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J. EDGAR HOOVER SAYS:

I'M JEALOUS OF J FED'S PRETTY RED CORSET!!!!!

2/17/2008 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic:

Got a speeding ticket from the Barrington Hills police last night. 6 miles over!!!
"Once we stop you we don't care if you are the chief" Thanks guys.
I have a long memory.

2/17/2008 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those of you who keep askking about the DUI roadblocks, who cares? If it was true its done and over. If it did happen the new Sup. is sending a message, dont fuck up. Many of us have driven when we shouldnt have, when are you going to realize you are in the spotlight? How many 501's come through a station a night and get no news coverage? It is just a typical day. However when one of us is DUI'd it is all over the news. Stay at home and drink. Nail every prick for every lil thing as we have lost all respect from this city and are prejudiced as corrupt and racist. Act professional but NAIL EM ALL!

2/17/2008 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous DoubleTapper said...

If law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves then this will continue to happen.

Here in Israel, where law abiding citizens can carry openly, we actively put a stop to terrorists on a regular basis.

DoubleTapper
DoubleTapper@gmail.com
http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/

2/17/2008 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let's hope it 's true about dui roadblocks it might save a few lives

2/17/2008 03:52:00 PM  
Blogger P.O. said...

Bring back a public militia thats legaly entitled to be armed.
SAY 20% OF POPULATION, WHO HAVE TO PASS A RIGOROUS BACKGROUND CHECK, A YEARLY QUALIFICATION, AND INTERVIEW WITH RENEWED UPKEEP CHECKS. Also self paid government/lawenforcement training for said volunteer militia. Utilize ex police/armed forces who already have training in firearms. Or make them a quasi branch of the armed forces that cannot be called up for military duty but only civilian aid operations in the state where you reside. Kind of like a lesser National guard, but always carrying concealed with credentials to identify themselves.
This way in a situation such as NIU there could possible be 2 out of 10 people armed and able to defend the others.
JUST AN IDEA.

2/17/2008 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crimefile just dropped a big bomb on Ed and Anne Burke!

2/17/2008 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Jr. said...

Anonymous said...
Word from multiple sources was J-Fed was out with a DUI taskforce staking out favorite cop watering holes in 008, 012, 016 and 022 Fri and Sat night.

Anyone have more info on this, if it is even true?

2/17/2008 03:35:00 AM

bullshit, I was in 008 working last night, there was none there, I called 022 there were none there.
if the threat of this saves lives then i am all behind it, for those of you out there who are thinking you may lose your job, how about your life, somebody's families life? the way it will effect your family?, you end up in prison?, etc... why as a "brotherhood" can't we set up a volunteer network to offer rides to get intoxicated officers home? we are not only offering a protection to the citizens but we are protecting our fellow brothers and sisters in blue...

2/17/2008 04:35:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Germany, France, England, Spain (to name a few) all have far more lax criminal codes (i.e. far fewer people in prisons, shorter prison terms for comparable crime, etc.) yet, all have far less than one-tenth the gun violence we have.

Have you looked at France lately? Riots every night, thousands of cars torched every summer, massive shooting at police by muslim populations.

England? According to a person looking at Scotland Yard posts, gun violence up 3.7% last year. And England is trying to outlaw knives because of an upsurge in stabbings.

Germany? Check your history books to see what happened there in the 1930s and 40s. If you can stand to read that far back, check out the Prussian Army in the 19th Century.

Spain? The muslims bomb trains and they return to their socialist roots overnight.

This country was built on self reliance, not state reliance.

Do you really, honestly, think that our officers carrying weapons off duty has resulted in more good deeds or tragedies? There have been many, many officer and family suicides because an inert pistol was readily available to do the job. There have been many domestic/drinking situations that have ended in tragedy or criminal charges or the loss of employment for police because of the use of a firearm. I'm certain that for every heroic deed you can come up with, I can give you two tragedies. Leave the gun (and the chip on your shoulder) at home and enjoy yourself.

No, you can't. Because no one keeps track of how many crimes were prevented by having a gun around and the media refuses to cover them. We could name a dozen situations where we've prevented a crime, most minor, just by flashing a badge, not a gun. Why not count those? But we can only name maybe 10 suicides, spousal murders or "accidents" that you purport happen almost daily in a force of 10,000 Chicago cops. Go back to fantasyland.

2/17/2008 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a perfect world there would be no guns but this will never be a perfect world. What about that poor Doctor in New York who was hacked to death. And what about the doctor who came to her aid, unarmed, and was seriously injured. If either of those victims had a handgun in their possession then that woman might still be alive. So now what, ban the sale of all meat cleavers and 6 inch knifes???? Killers will always find a way to kill but despite even the best efforts possible the police can not protect every one. It's funny to me how some of the biggest anti-gun zealots surround themselves with armed body guards...

2/17/2008 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Im sure its the same person who started the swiping scare!"

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for 12 hours, the "swiping scare" WAS reality dum dum

2/17/2008 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2. Do you really, honestly, think that our officers carrying weapons off duty has resulted in more good deeds or tragedies? There have been many, many officer and family suicides because an inert pistol was readily available to do the job. There have been many domestic/drinking situations that have ended in tragedy or criminal charges or the loss of employment for police because of the use of a firearm. I'm certain that for every heroic deed you can come up with, I can give you two tragedies. Leave the gun (and the chip on your shoulder) at home and enjoy yourself.

Go Obama!!

WHAT A LIBERAL PIECE OF GARBAGE YOU ARE!!!!!!! FUCK YOU AND FUCK OBAMA. USE YOUR WORDS TO FIGHT RADICAL MUSLIMS AND SEE HOW QUICK YOUR HEAD ROLLS WHEN THEY INVOKE ALAH AS THEY CUT YOUR HEAD OFF.......STUPID, STUPID. By the way, the Blog and the real Police do not like your kind.....

2/17/2008 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The solution: A comprehensive central data base that all hospitals, physicians, cops, doctors, courts, social workers could use it to input the names of mentally ill people. If your name pops up (like a no fly list) you will not be allowed to purchase a gun. You could then request a hearing. We take children away from the mentally ill and do it very effectively. Why can't we do the same for guns?

2/17/2008 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Here's a thought....maybe people in this country who are documented mentally unstable should be listed in the criminal files under such, and they will be denied the ability to purchase handguns and ammo through legitimate means.
If you had to submit a print to purchase those items and were listed in the database as a certified loon, you couldn't make a purchase. I understand the NIU mass murderer purchased those weapons from a gun store recently before he went on his rampage. This would have stopped the guy cold, as I understand his parents had him committed in his teens, and the Army discharged him for psychological reasons; more than enough of a paper trail to have had this guy in a database as unstable.

2/17/2008 10:02:00 AM"


Here's a thought:

You're a fucking moron.

Nothing the legislators can do will prevent Mother Nature from taking your body back to the dust it came from, whenever, wherever and however you're fated to end your short stay here.

We are all born to die.

Get over it and live your life, while you're still alive.

Or crawl into a hole and pretend you'll never die, if you choose.

Just get used to eating dirt, if you do.

2/17/2008 04:58:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

"Pistols are primarily self defense weapons." ?!$@#&%(! Who the fuck do you think you're crappin', SCC?

Well, we were responding to the Brady people insisting that an assault weapons ban would have saved every single student, but since you chime in with ignorance, we'll smack you around.

Pistols today and for most of the past few centuries are self defense weapons. They aren't that accurate out past a few dozen feet or so unless in the hands of a well trained individual and even then, not much past 50 to 75 yards. With very few exceptions, they are low powered. Most police gunfights take place at under 15 feet so yeah, we'd call that a self defense weapon. Just because it's misused doesn't negate our definition.

2/17/2008 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This country was built on self reliance, not state reliance.

It was? Then why the hell do we have Police? If an armed population can take care of itself, aren't you irrelevant?

If conceal carry removes the threat of violent crime - doesn't it work for most nonviolent crime? Just try to take that fancy blouse bitch, that cashier will drill you in the head. No more residential burglaries because the folks are home, armed for war and ready.

I'm with SCC, get me 4 guns and bring on anarchy!!!!

And yes, what you are talking about is anarchy.

2/17/2008 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/17/2008 02:50:00 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself. As someone who occasionally works with the mentally ill, I can tell you it's a mess. Thank Hippa, mental health advocates and all the new meds on the market that keep people out institutions. People that are crazy, are always going to be crazy. They are free to walk the streets and nine times out of ten become non-compliant with their meds. Most likely, if someone does speak up because someone they know is acting strangely or stopped taking their meds, there probably isn't much you could do besides shoot them before they are able to shoot someone else.

2/17/2008 05:38:00 PM  
Blogger It's Not All Real said...

I'm not a hero, but I am a copper for 20+ years. I do carry my weapon off duty 99% of the time. I've been shot at and shot back. Had my gun out countless times when the circumstances warranted it, and thankfully only had to shoot once. At least I found out I had it in me to shoot back.

Saying this, and knowing what I do about myself, I wish I had been there. If I wasn't hit with the first volley, I most assuredly would have shot back, and I'm confident I'd have hit the prick.

This isn't to say I'm a Rambo or John Wayne type, it is to say that I'm an armed citizen. If there had just been ONE other person packing heat that day, this bloodbath would have at the least been lessened. Instead we have an armed assailant and scores of victims running away, not that I blame them for running. Had this happened in Indiana, someone would have shot back.

Just a reminder: it is against the law to shoot someone. If the asshat who did all this didn't obey the law against shooting people, why would you expect him to obey laws against carrying firearms?

People kill people, and they use guns, knives, blunt objects, bare hands and a variety of other methods. Until you can attack the WILLINGNESS to kill another human being, all citizens are at their mercy.

Those who would cry for more gun bans, or create more "gun free zones (What a fucking laugh that is!!)" deserve what they get. I myself will not be a victim, not without a fight, and that is for real.

2/17/2008 05:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The road blocks are tru! J-fed caught me driving my souped up, 1982 chevy vega while I was coming out of Louie D's in Melrose Park! I drove threw the road block and avoided Dana Starks trying to shoot me with a dart gun, while undercover stooges on some delta force team started chuking ninja stars at me. I crashed my sled into a tree in Cicero, took the plates off, then high-tailed it to a hookers motel room I know where I had to whip down a six pack and a bottle of Jack Daniels to calm myself down. When J-Fed showed up to my lady friends room, (he flew in on a black helicopter) I flashed my Rosemont auxillary star, aka a Kellogs Cornflake badge and he let me go. Be careful out there boys, these road blocks are the real deal! I'm just glad I live in my parents basement so I can just get drunk off of Beefeater Vodka and root beer scnapps. I can't wait until they die though, so the house and the crawlspace will be mine. Anyway, enough about me, you guys be safe out there!!!!!

2/17/2008 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous anom 1:24am said...

No 2:30pm, Im just a regular patrol
guy. 1:34 is someone else. Actually
before I wrote my rant, I punched in assault shotguns in my Google search engine and copied the top 3,since I know little about them. Basic use of the net, moron.
Whats the matter Lisa, dont like being compared to Hitler?

2/17/2008 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Got a speeding ticket from the Barrington Hills police last night. 6 miles over!!!
"Once we stop you we don't care if you are the chief" Thanks guys.
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Over the years, I have been stopped more than 20 times out of state, in the suburbs, etc. I drive a car that can easily hit 140 mph. And I have been known to push it from time to time. You can't depend on a CPD badge any more. The older cops (35+) will usually let you go. The 20-somethings don't respect your badge. Just drive safely, if you can. Then you will have no problems.

2/17/2008 07:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crimefile just dropped a big bomb on Ed and Anne Burke!

2/17/2008 04:04:00 PM

IMHO, it couldn't be big enough or heavy enough.

2/17/2008 07:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

amen brother!!!

2/17/2008 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what your take on this situation would be if it were one of your own that got killed by this guy. You do quite a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking yourself.

2/17/2008 08:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic:

Got a speeding ticket from the Barrington Hills police last night. 6 miles over!!!
"Once we stop you we don't care if you are the chief" Thanks guys.
I have a long memory.

2/17/2008 03:48:00 PM

Barrington Hills has about 2 cops and 8 people, yet you regularly post about such nonsense. Way too many posts on BH for it to be coincidence. Go post your bullshit on the burbs blog, you disgruntled POS. Doesn't take a genius to know you must be a BH PO that didn't get his way somehow.

2/17/2008 08:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said.

2/17/2008 08:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A brilliant person distilled the anti-gunner's hypocrisy into this one succint statement:

"Just a reminder: it is against the law to shoot someone. If the asshat who did all this didn't obey the law against shooting people, why would you expect him to obey laws against carrying firearms?"

Absolutely. Why doesn't "the world" outlaw suicide bombs? Because it is a liberal moronic pie in the sky idea, just like gun control. Fucking sheep, want to outlaw teeth instead of fighting the wolves.

Enforce the laws we have. The dumb mf-ing idiots that want to emasculate our constitution are ALWAYS first in line to defend Pookie when he "bust a cap" on someone, then blame the inanimate object.

2/17/2008 09:03:00 PM  
Blogger sharky said...

There was a roadblock in 022, burt it was in the usual spots, near Bourbon St and on Halsted. They were long done by the time Bourbon St closed. No focus on PO's, just going after the drunks doing hit and runs on all the neighbors cars parked on the street like they do every weekend night.

2/17/2008 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen here you bunch of fucktards, if there is a road block out side of the regular watering holes don't fuckin go there go somewhere else. Plain and simple. I drink within walking distance of my house, I don't need to go to some Yuppie wanna be bar like Dugans and hang out so I can tell police stories to a bunch of retarded 2 year wonders or a bunch of washed up 012th district drunks. We all know the mentality of the people and the Police Department is to stick it up our ass right now so why give them the opportunity to stick it up our ass? You morons are just that, a bunch of Morons.

2/17/2008 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word from multiple sources was J-Fed was out with a DUI taskforce staking out favorite cop watering holes in 008, 012, 016 and 022 Fri and Sat night.

DON'T KNOW I WAS DRINKING IN MY BASEMENT :)
#################################

LOL, Way to go!!! Hope it was in YOUR basement and not MOM's

2/17/2008 09:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like the Armed Forces knows what they are doing??Why do they let all the gang bangers in,genius.

2/17/2008 10:57:00 AM
They must know something you don't asshole. Obviously you've never been there or done that or if you were you were obviously a REMF. Too bad mommy and daddy couldn't get a lib politico friend make you a suck ass general's aide.

2/17/2008 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We could name a dozen situations where we've prevented a crime, most minor, just by flashing a badge, not a gun. Why not count those? But we can only name maybe 10 suicides, spousal murders or "accidents" that you purport happen almost daily in a force of 10,000 Chicago cops. Go back to fantasyland.

2/17/2008 04:43:00 PM

SCC,

Step back and take a deep breath. You just said you could name a dozen or so instances of "minor" crimes averted, but can come up with 10 "tragedies." Thank you for making my point. And, SCC, I CAN come up with well more than ten instances where a career OR a life was lost because of a gun (CPD only). You CANNOT come up with anywhere near that number of instances where a gun in the hands of an off duty officer actually saved a life. SCC, try not wearing the pistol outside of work for a month. Just give it a try. You may actually like it.

2/17/2008 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's get some feed back here, who's voting for who and why:

President Denis E. Doherty -- 001
President Mark P. Donahue -- 541
President Kevin C. Jans – 016

2/17/2008 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, we were responding to the Brady people insisting that an assault weapons ban would have saved every single student, but since you chime in with ignorance, we'll smack you around.

Pistols today and for most of the past few centuries are self defense weapons. They aren't that accurate out past a few dozen feet or so unless in the hands of a well trained individual and even then, not much past 50 to 75 yards. With very few exceptions, they are low powered. Most police gunfights take place at under 15 feet so yeah, we'd call that a self defense weapon. Just because it's misused doesn't negate our definition.

2/17/2008 04:59:00 PM

SCC, In the future, do you think you could be sure to copy my entire post? I feel a little cheated when you only copy the first two sentences. I spend a fair amount of time trying to write nice humorous comments for your blog.

In any event, the fact that I am a pinko liberal does not stop me from loving this most awesome blog. Do you have any liberal friends? How about libertarians? We should hang out some time. It might expand your horizons.

2/17/2008 10:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"1:24 and 1:34 AM, (one in the same)
With all of your technical knowledge of tac shotguns you must be one of those hut, hut, hut and go, go, go guys. You sir, are a loon.

2/17/2008 02:30:00 PM"


Geez, you really don't know shit about firearms, do you?

It doesn't take that much effort to learn.

If you were to make the meager efforts necessary to inform yourself about a subject, before you make an ass out of yourself by both commenting on something you no nothing about and expressing an opinion about someone you know nothing about, you might have submitted a comment of some rational substance.

Instead, you posted crap.

It that because crap is all you've got, at this time, or because crap is all that you are satisfied in having to share?

2/17/2008 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anom 1:24am said...

No 2:30pm, Im just a regular patrol
guy. 1:34 is someone else. Actually
before I wrote my rant, I punched in assault shotguns in my Google search engine and copied the top 3,since I know little about them. Basic use of the net, moron.
Whats the matter Lisa, dont like being compared to Hitler?

Google search engine and copied the top 3,since I know little about them. Basic use of the net, moron.
Whats the matter Lisa, dont like being compared to Hitler?

2/17/2008 06:52:00 PM
You want to see a real assault shotgun google AA12 or check this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

2/17/2008 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, you better assign somebody to rumor control. Perhaps 025's KEVIN C. J. could handle that!!

2/17/2008 10:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I CAN come up with well more than ten instances where a career OR a life was lost because of a gun (CPD only).

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you're an idiot if your dragging in dead cops.

2/17/2008 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The solution: A comprehensive central data base that all hospitals, physicians, cops, doctors, courts, social workers could use it to input the names of mentally ill people. If your name pops up (like a no fly list) you will not be allowed to purchase a gun. You could then request a hearing. We take children away from the mentally ill and do it very effectively. Why can't we do the same for guns?

2/17/2008 04:56:00 PM

Thats already in place...next moron.

2/17/2008 10:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT A LIBERAL PIECE OF GARBAGE YOU ARE!!!!!!! FUCK YOU AND FUCK OBAMA. USE YOUR WORDS TO FIGHT RADICAL MUSLIMS AND SEE HOW QUICK YOUR HEAD ROLLS WHEN THEY INVOKE ALAH AS THEY CUT YOUR HEAD OFF.......STUPID, STUPID. By the way, the Blog and the real Police do not like your kind.....

2/17/2008 04:52:00 PM

You don't know shit, motherfucker. Without me, this blog is one big fat bore. Oh yeah, I do have a muslim that lives across the street. We drink beer and hang out occassionally. Should I be worried about him chopping my head off? Should my whole family get guns? After all, our kids play together and sometimes they ride the bus home together.

P.S. This is sarcasm. Oh, and you're a xenophobic dick.

2/17/2008 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Criminals and nuts go for soft targets. They don't go where lots of people might be armed. Have you ever heard of a mass shooting at a gun range? How many times has a police dept. been attacked by an armed nut? They might be crazy, but their not that crazy to shift the odds against themselves.

John Stossel (20/20) did a story on the myths of gun control. When he asked criminals what their number one fear was when committing a crime, they all said that a victim might be armed. Fearing the police wasn't even in the top ten.

2/17/2008 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the fuck is going on in 006 lately? 3rd watch has NEVER been this divided in my 3 yrs of being assigned here.
Doty is destroying the morale of way too many coppers! Great coppers are being punished for no reason whatsoever. 006 sucks now!

2/17/2008 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Runway Ron said...

Next time Barrington PD calls us at the airport for free parking I'll remind him of "professional courtesy" by saying "no".

To all police officers everyfuckingwhere: BE COURTEOUS. RESPECT YOUR BROTHER.

2/17/2008 11:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Da great eight said...

I was drinking in the basement. I was shit-faced when I got there and I was shit-faced when I woked up and went outside to piss. It's a good thing the killer "B" was not around....when the cold sobered me up I found myself in somebody elses back yard. LOL

2/18/2008 12:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC,

Step back and take a deep breath. You just said you could name a dozen or so instances of "minor" crimes averted, but can come up with 10 "tragedies." Thank you for making my point. And, SCC, I CAN come up with well more than ten instances where a career OR a life was lost because of a gun (CPD only). You CANNOT come up with anywhere near that number of instances where a gun in the hands of an off duty officer actually saved a life. SCC, try not wearing the pistol outside of work for a month. Just give it a try. You may actually like it.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You are an asshole for 3 reasons.
1- I can give you an off duty gun saving a life. Mine. I was driving on Lake st. heading home from work when at least 5 guys rushed my car while I was stuck in traffic. They seemed pretty happy until I pointed my pistol at the 2 on my side. They yelled and all of them ran like dogs.
2 and 3- If, in this day and age, you don't carry the means to protect yourself and your family, then you get exactly what you deserve. The fact that you think someone else should even try to be as dumb as that is beyond me.

2/18/2008 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Got a speeding ticket from the Barrington Hills police last night. 6 miles over!!!
"Once we stop you we don't care if you are the chief" Thanks guys

Barr Hills hates other agencys. They will (and have written) ajoining burbs.
They are mostly newer guys and don't know what the street is really like. I think they carry bic pens in their holsters. lol God knows in that neighborhood they don't need guns. They are generaly hated by the other burbs that surround them.
They will hide in the shrubs with a hand held radar gun and flag you down. They will SELDOM write the people of BH's be cause the mayor is running for congress..
Stay safe.....The real police from
Carpentersville

2/18/2008 01:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad DUI roadblocks were last night, just made it home after five hours drinkin at dublins, only hit three cars and two pedestrians

2/18/2008 02:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if we ban ALL GUNS, what will happen?

Well, we ban MANY NARCOTICS, and have so for MANY years.
Now ask any officer about the availability of these BANNED and ILLEGAL drugs.

Thinks GUNS will be any different?

2/18/2008 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Bubba said...

Guns don't kill people...PEOPLE kill people.The boy wanted to kill himself and take as many people as he could with him. Whether is be a gun or a bomb.....he was going to accomplish this.The blame rests on his shoulders,....not the guns.The people around him should have done more to moniter his mental situation as well.I bet if one of those students was armed the casuaties wouldn't have been as severe.But the cards have been dealt.........
R.I.P. to all the victims.

2/18/2008 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC for NRA president!!

2/18/2008 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous gun luvin' an' liberated said...

...just give it a try. You may actually like it.
2/17/2008 10:01:00 PM

Slighly off-topic response, but...I've started not wearing underwear to work, and I do actually like it. I feel so FREE!

2/18/2008 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go Get 'Em J-Fed. One drunk copper wrecking his car is great for another day or so of re-run Abbate videos.

The days of going out and getting shitfaced at the Blue Light, Dugan's, et al after work are gone. Get that through your heads.

J-Fed hates coppers drinking in groups after work. He's said so. This past weekend just reiterates that.

If you feel the need to get cranked after every tour of duty, you need help. Get it before before the bottle gets you.

God help the first copper caught with a DUI under the new administration. No more 30 days to go dry out--you're history. Maybe a judge will side with you in the lawsuit, but plan on not working for a year or so.

2/18/2008 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Face it, weve all been hurt by a loved one. We've all felt our lives in an unbalanced state. We're all one day closer to death. Fuck it! Just do your job, love your family or the one you're with and just prepare yourself mentally for the last gasp.
Fuck it! You are Goddamn police officers already! Quit whining on here about what should have been done. It's done! Take care of each other and wait for the final bell toll. Out.

2/18/2008 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:15pm
Why are great coppers in 006 getting punished? Damn Doty!!!

2/18/2008 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:15- 3rd Watch in 006 has the very best supervisors. If officers are getting into trouble with Evans or the new LT from 004, then it's all on them!
These young niave officers need to quit thinking they are entitled to everything. Evans don't play that!
If the watch is divided, then Evans needs to kick EVEN more ass! BOO YAAAAAA!

2/18/2008 01:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Playa hata, the only problem in 006 you. Quit!

2/18/2008 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Thanks lib, but don't say I told you so when your family member kills."


Nice...like MI doesn't happen to Republicans! No one is immune- even you-given the right set of circumstances.

2/18/2008 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Dear SCC,

I love your blog, but you've got to take it easy on the pro-gun bullshit. You are so far out in right field, you're not even in the game. Allow me to illustrate my point with a couple of questions.
*************

What's your problem? Jealousy for one I think. The one with the chip on their shoulder is you sir. Who are you to tell SCC what to write on his blog? You should thank him for keeping you amused. Also what makes you think we want to hear about OBAMA on this blog. You don't want SCC to post what he wants but you posted what YOU wanted-what a hypocrite. I can see why you are an Obama fan.

2/18/2008 07:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Got a speeding ticket from the Barrington Hills police last night. 6 miles over!!!
"Once we stop you we don't care if you are the chief" Thanks guys"

2/18/2008 01:55:00 AM

BHPD are nothing more than traffic dildos.They think they are Cops and do real police work but live in their Xbox fantasy world.Stay out of da burbs cause its la la land out there.

2/18/2008 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem in 006 is the BIG MAN not Doty. BIG MAN has decided to fuck with the working police of 3rd watch....More to come!

2/19/2008 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a number of coppers in 006 are feeling the disciplinary "bite" then the response is obvious....
Stop fucking up! DO your job, and do it properly! Bad apples are under far more scrutiny in northside districts than they are in West and South side areas.

2/19/2008 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:00am in the area around Greek town in the 012th District:

Zone: Unit....Go ahead with your chase....

Voice: Gasp! Huff Puff! Male white...Tan carhart jacket....north bound halsted toward madison...Huff Puff..... going west on madison.....

Zone: Male white west bound madison from Halsted units can we get another car over there to help....

1212: 1212 What's he wanted for squad?

Zone: unit what is this man wanted for?

Voice: Do as I say DAMNIT you will all listen and help me now....Huff puff... and he is 6'0 200 lbs going west of Morgan....

Zone: Unit we will help just identify yourself and why we are chasing the subject

Voice: Just get over here!!!

1223: 1223 squad we're going...

Voice: South on Racine squad......male white 40's mustache...Huff Puff ...Tan boots....

Zone: Alright units he is running right to the station.....

Voice: Freeze......show me your hands.....WAIT....Get me a tazer..stop resisting....Huff Puff Gasp! Get me... No wait ....help me........ I called you....

1224: 1224 squad Where they at squad..


Zone: Unit chasing the subject where are you?

Voice: Racine and Monroe..... I command you... get me.......help

1201: 1201 emergency!!!

Zone: 1201 go with the emergency..

1201: 1201 shots fired by the police Racine and Monroe ......

1201: 1201..... One of our off duty officers was being chased by a crazy man with a police radio.... Officer said he came all the way from Dugans and the Officer ran back to the station, unarmed and in fear of his safety.

1201: 1201

Zone : Go ahead 1201

1201: 1201 We.. we shot the armed offender since this officer was unarmed that we all knew him and the armed subject chasing him is now disarmed and in need of an ambulance ...better step up the ambulance squad......

Zone: They are notified and 1201Any ID on the Offender and his condition?

1299: 1299 squad.. The guys name is Jody P Weis according to the Out of state license. Something is not right here......and it is not looking good!

Zone: Is that the Superintendents ID's?

1201: 1201...We'll get back to you squad meanwhile can you make the proper notifications............ we have a crime scene here we recovered a weapon from the offender and he has a police radio too!

Zone: Well we were getting reports of a chase and it went all the way to there.
Is this possibly a police officer or

1201: 1201...We can't be sure this is Jody Weis squad we have never met the guy! He doesn't appear to be the police except for the radio and gun! We'll leave it for Area 4 to handle when they get here. Get some units to block off the area and make the calls. UHH Cut the mobile for a minute squad!

PAUSE>>>>>>>>>>

Zone: We're back....1201 and 1299 I have someone named Peter Brust trying to reach us on Citywide 1 with no beat number.....I believe this man may be working with the one that is down by you. I'll get the calls going.

Voice: Hello out there.......Peter Brust on the Radio HERE and is this the frequency that there was a chase from Dugans tavern?

Zone: Mr Brust do you have a beat number sir?

Voice: There is no need for beat numbers right now ma'am we are on a mission and have been chasing a drinking officer and I am looking to find Superintendent Weis is he there somewhere?

Zone: You will need to contact 1299 at the Monroe district sir and he can clear that up for you.

Voice: Where is the number for 1299?

Zone: I can give it to you unless you have an FOP book.

Voice: What the hell is an FOP book just give me the damn number...or I'll have you replaced....You better and leave me your name and badge number too ma'am we will need it later.


AND SO ENDS THE JODY ERA OF THE NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT IT WAS A GREAT RUN WHILE IT LASTED!

2/19/2008 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:46 PM

You must be joking.

Are you saying the incident you described actually occurred on the midnights in 012 and that Weis and/or the other former G-man Brust were involved?

2/20/2008 02:33:00 AM  

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