Next Moves? (Part II)
A whole bunch of great suggestions in the comments of yesterday's posting. Among the eye catchers:
- Cut the District Manager spots. It was always a political spot for assorted civilians and redundant to the extreme. We've heard that there are about 5 or more of these posts vacant city wide. Where's that budgeted money going anyway? Eliminate it and save almost $2 million.
- Regular rotation of choice spots. Too many people in patrol right now will never ever see a Unit, a Team or anything but a beat car with way too many miles and way too many unidentifiable smells for their entire careers. Granted, there is a segment of the job that wants nothing more than that steady schedule and watch. But for those who want to vary it up a bit? Bid to another district and see a different version of the same BS? Big deal. Give people a shot at Vice, Transit, Mission teams, etc. Give everyone else a chance to pad that resume and increase their police experience.
- Standard discipline across the board. We've written about this in the past - three tiers of discipline: One for white shirts, one for clouted people, one for unconnected cops. Guess who gets suspended and fired more often while stalking exempts and dope using bosses get free passes and promotions? How about reopening a few of those cases instead of looking at a battery case that was adjudicated years ago?
Keep the suggestions coming. You never know where the next bright idea might come from.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
95 Comments:
Here's one: No longer is it acceptable to be a fat, crusty, out of shape, medical sucking do nothing drunken slob on this job. And I dont care if you have 3 or 30 years on. There is no place for you losers. What a disgrace! I mean, you wonder why the public hates us? You blame the media, you blame "moprah" you blame "yuppies" you blame everyone but yourself. I understand the media are a bunch of whores... but why give them a target?
I agree with physical fitness standards. Hell, Id say get rid of education requirements in exchange for fitness requirements. Any problem with that? I am 50 years old, have had 6 knee surgeries and still find a way to work out every damn day!
It disgusts me that I see guys in their 30s fat, out of shape, salty, dogging jobs, and just being all out jag offs to regular working people looking for police help. I understand hating the ghetto scum... they deserve it but if you work in 23, 19, 17, 16, 13, 12 (sorry, Im a north sider) and you have taken on the "I hate the yuppie" then you have a problem. Yuppies pay taxes, they work, they provide for their families, the pay into society, pay taxes and make the neighborhood better. All the reasons to hate ghetto joe, they defy. So if you work in a nice north side district, PLEASE do your job and give them some service. This department is full of people who would bitch if Jesus Christ himself asked for a report. Please each and every copper needs to take care of his or herself, check the attitude, and treat every person from a NORMAL place as though they are dealing with their own family. Then, our image will change.
Now that we have a Supe, and he is here, can we start negotating the contract?
Has Daley made enough interest on our $$$$$ yet??
OFF TOPIC:
If your IOD, what is the sense of the medical section? Since your doctor makes the decision of when you go back to work, why do we have PO case nurses?? And whats the sense of meeting with a case nurse? Shouldn't all he/she questions be directed at your doctor via fax or telephone?? Making an officer go down to the medical section while on IOD, 3 wks after a surgery is ridiculous!!
i can't understand all this complaining about the flashlights. i never hear anyone say it on the street. 4 yrs on mids and still using the same one, no problem. is it the newer radios everyone is complaining about also? don't see a problem there either and we've got older ones.
District managers were a political job and clout was and still is necessary for the job. In fact one district manager position was added to the academy. . Amazing what can be done with clout behind you.
Answer your calls only. Make a report for everything you can.
NO REVENUE!
What amazes me is the District managers make 90 grand a year.
And thats for doing nothing but kissing the commanders ass.
I made just under 80 last year, what a slap in the face.
But keep on making those arrests and writing movers and parkers for revenue and that wonderful pat on the back from whomevers ass your kissing.
This way when we get screwed on out next contract and our pension is gone you can proudly say...
Im still the Police anyway!
We are a bunch of stupid idiots for letting FOP and the city screw us like they do.
Give people a shot at Vice, Transit, Mission teams, etc. Give everyone else a chance to ......
Everybody does not deserve to work in a specialized unit.
Yes, I agree, the system now is not so great.
But there are plenty of P.O.s that need to stay in patrol for their own good.
J doty needs to get out of 6, just look at the history of the place, as soon as someone is able to leave they bail sometimes without a chute, meaning going to 5 on days to leave doty. He needs to go to IAD or some administrative spot because he is a huge micro mgr and knows how to push paper but not how to deal with people.
END TAKE HOME CARS!!! Go Green and save the evvironment and our tax dollars. Why should there be so many take home cars??? If there is terrorism how do you think the average cop will get to work?
speaking of exempt stalkers-----anyone got any info the the lapa-heavy exempt who was involved in a stalking incident(s)
Rotation is a great idea. Some of these people just have been there too damn long! Example: the jerks that answer the phone at LEADS. Ex: "What you want!" ; asshole doesn't give his name, you don't know who you are talking to.
The longer these mopes stay in a given position (usually through a phone call), the greater the likelyhood to screw around!
Get rid of the traffic section and all of the take home cars. What a joke and waste of taxpayer gas money and waste of extra cars for working coppers. They justify take home cars because they might do a dui check once a month. Pickup the car at the unit and save lots of money.
"Give people a shot at Vice(etc)"
Great concept;I thought thats how the PD was going to work; several years in patrol, then to narcotics,
maybe a few years as a dick, and then (here's a laugh),finish out as a veteran FTO to break in the new guys.
Being ignorant, how does one get picked for say nacotics. Its the most talented, hard working patrol
guys that are making tons of drug arrests, right? Clout never had nothing to do w/it,right. Those straight days/weekends off really put a dent in the drug market in this city..
Speaking of veteran,well respected
FTOs, didnt we just lose 014's MAX STEELE? He was what the Patrol division used to be, and what all us working POs wanted to be, till you cloutwhores and your connections ruined it all!
R.I.P. Max...........
Nobody should get Anything unless it's by SENIORITY. Let the new kids wait their turn. Too f'n bad if they don't like it.
get rid of the civilian instructors (60,000 a year). It's been years since they did any street work. Make it a rotation spot for FTOs. Break up that monopoly with Harold Washington college.
To 2/5/2008 01:06:00A.M.
I couldn't agree with you more. You are right about the fat, crusty, out of shape do nothing slobs on this job, both male and female. (Many of them young and relatively new on this job.) To a great extent we are our own worst enemy. Some of us are total jerks to the to the decent working people who have legitmate concerns and problems. (And we wonder why many people don't like us.) Many of us should take a long hard look at ourselves, our appearance, and how we treat the decent citizens out there, no matter where they live. And yes, I have 26 years on this job, and work in a district.
Answer your calls only. Make a report for everything you can.
NO REVENUE!
Just shut up and do your job! go with the no revenue plan and the city will go with the no money for raises etc. come contract time. You are paying taxes like everyone else so in the end it comes out of your pocket too.
Doty needs to be demoted and out of 006, but the last place you would want him is IAD.
Please each and every copper needs to take care of his or herself, check the attitude, and treat every person from a NORMAL place as though they are dealing with their own family. Then, our image will change
If that attitude was practiced everywhere, including the ghetto, we would have less problems and confrontations.
Anonymous said...
Rotation is a great idea. Some of these people just have been there too damn long! Example: the jerks that answer the phone at LEADS. Ex: "What you want!" ; asshole doesn't give his name, you don't know who you are talking to.
The longer these mopes stay in a given position (usually through a phone call), the greater the likelyhood to screw around!
2/05/2008 08:22:00 AM
and that "phone call" will be around a long time. More so now than ever before..the entire federal labor structure is predicated on who do you know and what have you or can you do for me.
Most coppers that went fed have returned within 1-2 years.
6:52am
STFU! Doty is NOT the problem in 006. The problem is the City hiring so many dogasses. The job Doty does is huge. He has to micro-manage because his piss poor officers do not do shit. Why do you think TRU is so important to DOC areas?
Maybe when the po's in 006 learn to work like other districts, then we'll see change. Doty is the ONLY reason why the po's stick around.
Go get your shoe shine box PUNK!!!
P.S. Sgt OB, I know you'll agree....the problem isn't Doty. It's the piss poor officers who choose to be dogasses in a busy district.
-Days in 006
i got a move for j-fed. so you want to be the po po. you just shot good i heard. how about signing up to work in a district for period 7,8 or 9. pick a ghetto district 03,05,07,011,015,025,etc... spend one week with 06 car, then maybe two weeks with rapid, and one week with a good sgt. then you will see what really goes on. i guarantee you 100 percent that you will go home to your wife and say what a fucked up job that is. why would anyone sign up for that shit. yet we show up and kick ass every night. can you take this challenge jw ????.
How about a paid, one hour a week shooting practice at the range. Ridiculous that we are supposed to do it on our own time when we work six straight.
Everybody does not deserve to work in a specialized unit.
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thats exactly it! there are excellent
coppers who are never given a chance in these spots because of lack of clout. There is nothing to aim for with many coppers because of this.I like my job, generally, and I was pretty good at it but after seeing so many unqualified people being moved around it definitely took the wind out of my sails and I slid into excepting that unless I get a promotion that I'm going no where else but a beat car. Now that I have time on the job I have different priorities but I would like to see more regular joes get taken care of by being rewarded for their hard work. We'll see what happens.....
2/05/2008 04:32:00 AM
No kid, some of these useless fucks just like to find shit to bitch about.
can tru, of sure they bring in a lot. but they aren't tied down to the radio. if they were in the districts anyway..... we wouldn't be tied up as much either. (makes sense i know) yes seniority would go down but ohh well.... sorry new guy 3 and under on the job say hello to mids. thats part of being "new" -
District managers were a political job and clout was and still is necessary for the job. In fact one district manager position was added to the academy. . Amazing what can be done with clout behind you.
The District Mangers make Sgts Pay?
I agree with the postings on the importance of fitness, but it is important to keep in mind that there are many out of shape cops who still do a great job and some in shape pretty boys who don't do anything. Also plenty of cops have had on duty injuries that complicate exercise making staying fit that much harder. Add side jobs and court into the mix and keeping slim is not so easy. The best solution that I envision is either give us 3 hrs paid per week to work out on duty or increase the POWER bonus.
Here's one: No longer is it acceptable to be a fat, crusty, out of shape, medical sucking do nothing drunken slob on this job. And I dont care if you have 3 or 30 years on. There is no place for you losers.
LAUGHING MY ASS OFF! And cant blame hair gel on this one! Thats blow dry guy ALL THE WAY!!! truth hurts, doesnt it!
I FEEL AS IF J DOTY WROTE THAT RESPONCE. IF NOT THEN YOU MUST BE A RELATIVE OR HAVE A SPOT. J DOTY HAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE AN ASS WIPE. NO POPLE SKILLS , THINKS HIS SHIT DON'T STINK . AND WILL STAB YOU IN THE BACK OR FRONT FOR THAT MATTER TO GET WHAT HE WANTS. IF YOU R READING THIS J DOTY YOU ARE PROBABLY GRINNING AS YOU ENJOY BEING AN ASS WIPE
To 2/5/2008 01:06:00A.M.
I couldn't agree with you more. You are right about the fat, crusty, out of shape do nothing slobs on this job, both male and female. (Many of them young and relatively new on this job.) To a great extent we are our own worst enemy. Some of us are total jerks to the to the decent working people who have legitmate concerns and problems. (And we wonder why many people don't like us.) Many of us should take a long hard look at ourselves, our appearance, and how we treat the decent citizens out there, no matter where they live. And yes, I have 26 years on this job, and work in a district.
2/05/2008 09:50:00 AM
As one of the calorically challenged I know plenty of dogasses that are in better shape than a lot of professional athletes. sure we may not look good as you in uniform, but we can do the job just like anyone else. I have over 16yrs, all in patrol, on the job with one day on the medical. stop judging people on looks alone, you are part of the problem with your discrimatory ways. If your attitdue is that poor towards your fellow p/o's how do you treat the citizens who look for you. I can also guarantee you one thing I have never had one victim complain about my size when i was there to help them. the only ones that ever complain were the ones either getting arrested or getting tickets.
I do agree with you we need to be in better shape, but it needs to be for ourselves not for those who are bitter and looking to take it out on fellow p/o's. Either way good luck and god bless.
6:52am
STFU! Doty is NOT the problem in 006. The problem is the City hiring so many dogasses. The job Doty does is huge. He has to micro-manage because his piss poor officers do not do shit. Why do you think TRU is so important to DOC areas?
Maybe when the po's in 006 learn to work like other districts, then we'll see change. Doty is the ONLY reason why the po's stick around.
Go get your shoe shine box PUNK!!!
P.S. Sgt OB, I know you'll agree....the problem isn't Doty. It's the piss poor officers who choose to be dogasses in a busy district.
-Days in 006
2/05/2008 11:14:00 AM
i was on midnights in 006, and 90% of them work there ass off. maybe your such a doty fan because you are mgmt on days. it is not his job to micro manage the p/o's that s why he has capt's, but he refuses to utilize them, and shuts them out, he let s his staff run the district. so get off your soap box and see what is really happening, because you are the first one who ever said people stay because of doty. ask the sgt from tact who just got dumped how he feels. maybe doty has been great to you and good for you and him but the evidence thus far is to the contrary.
If your IOD, what is the sense of the medical section? Since your doctor makes the decision of when you go back to work, why do we have PO case nurses?? And whats the sense of meeting with a case nurse? Shouldn't all he/she questions be directed at your doctor via fax or telephone?? Making an officer go down to the medical section while on IOD, 3 wks after a surgery is ridiculous!!
The point of the medical section is to inconvenience and discourage you from using what you are entitled to.
They tried to get me down there with a herniated disc. I had my Dr. fax them a note saying I was off of work until such & such; therefore there was NO reason for me to go see them until that date. When the date got extended, I had the Dr. fax them another note. Once I was ready to return to duty, I went to see them. 4 months off with no trips to the Medical Section.
speaking of exempt stalkers-----anyone got any info the the lapa-heavy exempt who was involved in a stalking incident(s)
**Wasn't he just on the last transfer order?
Nobody should get Anything unless it's by SENIORITY. Let the new kids wait their turn. Too f'n bad if they don't like it.
**That may be a good idea, but there should be a time frame that one should stay. Some of the old dogs have nothing to do with their lives & just won't retire!
Make it a rotation spot for FTOs.
**Some FTO's are in it for the ppos and some are in it for the $.
Do you really think that an FTO wants to stand up in front of 25 recruits and talk for 8 hours? It's probably more beneficial for them to answer the few jobs here and there and call it a day.
papa smurf YES!!! come on J-Fed accept the challenge or are you chicken??
Anonymous said...
Everybody does not deserve to work in a specialized unit.
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thats exactly it! there are excellent
coppers who are never given a chance in these spots because of lack of clout. There is nothing to aim for with many coppers because of this.I like my job, generally, and I was pretty good at it but after seeing so many unqualified people being moved around it definitely took the wind out of my sails and I slid into excepting that unless I get a promotion that I'm going no where else but a beat car. Now that I have time on the job I have different priorities but I would like to see more regular joes get taken care of by being rewarded for their hard work. We'll see what happens.....
2/05/2008 12:59:00 PM
Here's somthing to consider. Where does "clout" come from? Only family ties? All of the top bosses were sergeants at one time. When they recognized someone who they thought was a hard worker, honest and dependable, they brought them where ever they went on up the ladder. Purely selfish mind you. They brought them along because they made their boss look good. The recent attitude of f--- the sergeant and f--- the department and hitting the medical with a cold..... Bang....20 miserable years in a beat car.
To: 2/05/2008 01:06:00 AM
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Sad, but true.. I've seen Po's with 4 plus yrs on the job and never taken a power test since he/she graduated from the academy. No wonder some of these MoFo's run because they know that the poor PO won't last two blocks running. Get atleast a bigger vest to cover that beer belly..
We have PO Nurse Case Manager's in the Medical Section because no smart civilian would want the job..listening to a bunch of cry babies all day gets old....Sorry you-(05 feb -0233) had to go down to the medical section post surgery but I bet you are not sitting at home all day either...Remember you are getting paid and it is YOUR responsibility to provide the doctor's information to the department's medical section for YOUR absence....Are You an ADULT?
How about eliminating the position of Captain again. They are all useless and make big $$$. Let's go back to Lieutenant's as watch commanders. We would save millions of dollars a year without this useless position.
Hey SCC maybe we can get this guy to come to CPD and run the FOP...check out SFPD's Gary Delagnes press conference after a Police officer was killed! He is definately not affraid of the media!!!
http://www.ktvu.com/video/9591734/index.html?taf=fran
How about J-Fed keeo things on auto-pilot with 1st Dep Grau and go through the training cycles with an FTO?
How about a more flexible work week?
Six days straight?
Can we do three 12 hour days or four 10 hour days, much like other major police departments in this country?
Hate to disagree with you, "anonyous" (05 Feb, 1:06AM) but why should only the yuppies be treated with respect? Why not treat everyone like that? One would suspect that treating all of the citizens of Chicago in a respectful manner would pay off in changing the image of our Dept. with the public in other neighborhoods as well. We don't really suffer that bad of an "image" problem in the north side districts you named. Not much serious crime up that way. And while I will admit there's plenty of hostility in the black and brown 'hoods we all know, if we're going to speak truthfully on this subject, then we all know that not all of the criticism we face out there in undeserved. And believe it or not, there are a lot of tax paying citizens in 011, 015 025 and the South side districts as well. We just rarely encounter those folks, because they don't hang on corners, slinging dope, drinking on corners, breaking into homes, stealing cars, etc.
It's so easy to stereotype, and to see only the bad. Kind of like how the media has done our profession over the past 18 months or so.
I've worked in all the south side districts; how did 004 get left off? Plenty of ghetto in 004, even in the "East Side" and Hegewisch areas, where a number of POs live.
yet we show up and kick ass every night
And why you do I just cant understand??
No contract, we keep losing benefits, our pension is in the crapper. But thank God you are out there kicking ass because that will do your family good.
Offer premium pay for those working 1st and 3rd Watch. You'll get more veteran officers on those watches who would do it for the money (no need for part-time job).
Anonymous said...
Nobody should get Anything unless it's by SENIORITY. Let the new kids wait their turn. Too f'n bad if they don't like it.
2/05/2008 09:05:00 AM
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so 25 years of blowing off jobs should get you something? gimmie a fuckin break guy. I dont care if you have 3 years or 30 years, you should be able to earn what you earn. In my opinion, a guy with 800 arrests has the same experience as any other guy with 800 arrests whether he has 5 years or 25 years on. After all, he's locked up the same amount of jagoffs, right?
STFU! Doty is NOT the problem in 006. The problem is the City hiring so many dogasses. The job Doty does is huge. He has to micro-manage because his piss poor officers do not do shit. Why do you think TRU is so important to DOC areas?
Maybe when the po's in 006 learn to work like other districts, then we'll see change. Doty is the ONLY reason why the po's stick around.
Go get your shoe shine box PUNK!!!
P.S. Sgt OB, I know you'll agree....the problem isn't Doty. It's the piss poor officers who choose to be dogasses in a busy district.
-Days in 006
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So let me guess you ride on Doty's jock and you think you will get something in return. Strange thing is when Mark Davis was the Commander plenty of arrest were made. When Everett Johnson was the Commander we locked up bad guys. Now Doty enters and things go south. It isn't the coppers stupid ass it's the boss. Learn to keep your mouth shut until you get off probation! You should tell the coppers in 006 they are dogs!
Fucking Tough guy
Nobody should get Anything unless it's by SENIORITY. Let the new kids wait their turn. Too f'n bad if they don't like it.
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What an asshole you are. You think because you've been around the longest that you're the right person for a particular job? It doesn't work like that. If there are several equally qualified applicants, then seniority should be applied. Other than that, seniority is good for furlough picks and special employment. Almost every time I've heard an old timer say, kid I got XX years on the job, here's how we do this, I know things are getting fucked up.
"But there are plenty of P.O.s that need to stay in patrol for their own good.
2/05/2008 06:15:00 AM"
Perhaps you should have stayed in Patrol whiteshirt 35th st. Coward. Then this Department wouldn't be in such dire straights, sanctimonious Prick!
Think we have better things to complain about? Fitness standards are nice, uniforms, great. Tattoos, no tattoos, even better. How about a few things that might be a wee more important? How about letting us be "the POLICE"? How about getting rid of some of the "dead weight"? 20 percent do 80 percent of the work. Find me the "13000", I want to see that. When you figure out that shell game you are going to laugh! What about the fact that 222/working on C Williams nuts left CPD to deliver mail, and fucks that up too. The fact that we don't start talking about our contract untill its expired? Or the fact that is another money maker for the city bother anyone yet? 3 diffrent standards dependent upon if you are a blue shirt, white shirt, or connected. Yet we bitch about how many push-ups we should do. What about the fact that the cost of living goes up more than our 2.2percent annual pay raise? Keep up the good work on the tattoo issue. "Long guns, machine guns, lasers, tasers, nukes & nerve gas", love to equip every squad with a MK-19 and a flame thrower, talk about a reduction in crime, but what about our "short bus" officers? Do you trust them with a 9mm? Love to get rid of them too, but how fast can you say "another bullshit lawsuit"? Don't worry, the city will settle on that too. Out of date PDT not working? I bet J-fed is going to mess up counting to 310K on that one! How about learning to do the job first? Wanting to do the job, actualy doing the job, that's just going to get a bad guy mad at you, a CR, then into Behavioral Alert, and no way out of that mess. I guess the new boss aint got much to worry about if all we are bitching about is wearing a fucking hat or not, sit-ups, and tattoos.
Anonymous said...
STFU! Doty is NOT the problem in 006. The problem is the City hiring so many dogasses. The job Doty does is huge. He has to micro-manage because his piss poor officers do not do shit. Why do you think TRU is so important to DOC areas?
Maybe when the po's in 006 learn to work like other districts, then we'll see change. Doty is the ONLY reason why the po's stick around.
Go get your shoe shine box PUNK!!!
P.S. Sgt OB, I know you'll agree....the problem isn't Doty. It's the piss poor officers who choose to be dogasses in a busy district.
-Days in 006
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Doty is the problem! A huge ego, with nothing to back it up. Will not listen to any reasonable suggestions because he is so pig headed. Look what District (006) always has the most supervisor openings and this will tell you alot about who is running the place. This guy treats EVERYONE like a POS. Stay off the blog Meritorious Milt.
Nobody should get Anything unless it's by SENIORITY. Let the new kids wait their turn. Too f'n bad if they don't like it.
2/05/2008 09:05:00 AM
AMEN!!! I've always said the only way to cut out ALL clout & nepotism is to do EVERYTHING by seniority. Ask #1 in seniority in the department, "where do you want to go"? Follow that procedure throughout and NO ONE will have a legit beef! Of course, the clout heavy crybabies will bitch, but too bad. Why should a 3 yr wonder have a better spot than a 30 yr veteran just because he has a phone call?
The problem in 006 is indeed John Doty. Good management starts from the top down, and he lets his civilians in his front office call the shots. They make the in house rules for people to follow, and they are not even the police. It is bad enough when PO's leave a district in droves, but when supervisors do it, you have a big problem with management.
Try how the office staff sends anonymous notes to the watch commanders saying that something should be done different. You throw it out because it is anonymous. However, the next day you are chewed out by Doty because you didn't follow directions.
How, you say, should I follow anonymous directions? People who don't sign their names to directives and stand behind it generally don't believe in what is written, or simply didn't write it. Doty has a standard response: They speak for me!!
Sorry, as a former watch commander there, I can tell you without a doubt it all flows from him. The officers there are not perfect, but they do try to do things under oppressive circumstances. They need guidance and an occasional "thank you" or "that a boy" pat on the back, rather than insults and tirades, to encourage them to work. You don't win people over by constantly browbeating them. You teach them the right way to do things, congratulate them when they do a good job, and counsel them where they make an honest mistake. More severe punishment is appropriate only where the mistake or misconduct is intentional.
Look at how many recent Lt's and Sgt classes were replacements for those supv's who were previously assigned to 006. There is your clue.
Also, Capt's are a necessary position. There was a lot of arguing about who had the easier and harder job when you had 2 Lts instead of a Lt and capt on a watch. One of them always felt they had it worse than the other, and was more qualified than the other. Perhaps some of the recent choices could have been more prudent and better qualified for the job. By and large, with a couple of exceptions, they have not been the best available people out there.
Get rid of all the do-nothings in specialized units. I can think of 3 or 4 in my unit that don't deserve to be there. Always riding on the coat-tails of others or forever on the medical. You can make hints to the Sgts, but nothing gets done. Sgts sit there BLINDED doing their best Stevie Wonder imitations. Oh yea, the Sgts usually have their own "agenda" as well. Case load, activity and arrests should be a criteria for staying in these units, but the deadbeats remain. Can't wait to retire.
We have PO Nurse Case Manager's in the Medical Section because no smart civilian would want the job..listening to a bunch of cry babies all day gets old....Sorry you-(05 feb -0233) had to go down to the medical section post surgery but I bet you are not sitting at home all day either...Remember you are getting paid and it is YOUR responsibility to provide the doctor's information to the department's medical section for YOUR absence....Are You an ADULT?
2/05/2008 05:46:00 PM
Yeah but if you are the CASE nurse work on the CASE. You can get all the info from the doctor yourself via the telephone or fax. Your telling me an officer has to come down there just to tell you when their next doctors visit is?
6:52am
STFU! Doty is NOT the problem in 006. The problem is the City hiring so many dogasses. The job Doty does is huge. He has to micro-manage because his piss poor officers do not do shit. Why do you think TRU is so important to DOC areas?
Maybe when the po's in 006 learn to work like other districts, then we'll see change. Doty is the ONLY reason why the po's stick around.
Go get your shoe shine box PUNK!!!
P.S. Sgt OB, I know you'll agree....the problem isn't Doty. It's the piss poor officers who choose to be dogasses in a busy district.
-Days in 006
2/05/2008 11:14:00 AM
Speak for your own watch...check the number of p.o.'s that have gone from 1st and 3rd to TRU, how f'ing bad is a district when they have to "advertise" in the CO book for TACT/GANG officers. And don't bring Sgt O'B in to try to back you up. You stepped in this pile of shit all your own, scrape it off your shoe yourself. Cmdr. Doty has micromanaged us from day one. He, from what is repeated, scares the crap out of the recruits worse than Mags does. At least Mags let's them know he's kidding! Doty is not. Ask the Sgt's that left in the last year WHY?!? It wasn't the p.o.'s and it wasn't the Capt/Lt...it was Doty. I guess maybe days needs to wake up, but 1st and 3rd watches are doing okay, and going to units, and bidding out to get away from Doty's management. And if you are so tired of working with dog asses, bid to 1st or 3rd next go round. Things may not always work the BEST way, but they always work on 1st and 3rd and we do our jobs, back each other up, and go home safely when the watch is over. Doty isn't out there on 1st and 3rd watches, we are all we've got, and dammit if you aren't getting the back up you need, say something to your watch to their faces. Because that is bullshit.
2/05/2008 05:46:00 PM
Why is it then that the asswipes at the medical section jag around the coppers who very rarely use the medical, but still coddle the regular abusers. Start hammering those who abuse the medical on a regular basis.
Yeah but if you are the CASE nurse work on the CASE. You can get all the info from the doctor yourself via the telephone or fax. Your telling me an officer has to come down there just to tell you when their next doctors visit is?
2/05/2008 10:23:00 PM
Agreed. I had surgery recently and have to go down to the medical section after every doctor's appointment (except the first post-surgery appointment). Paperwork is always getting faxed back and forth so why do I have to go to HQ? I'm IOD, and of course the doctor is on the city list (and therefore, you'd think they'd trust his paperwork) so what is gained by my actual appearance except inconveniencing me? Yes, I know I'm getting paid for this but this injury has been no picnic as far as pain goes and DEFINITELY not a vacation.
What does a district manager do anyway? Make sure there is enough xerox and toilet paper in the bathrooms?
Yeah but if you are the CASE nurse work on the CASE. You can get all the info from the doctor yourself via the telephone or fax. Your telling me an officer has to come down there just to tell you when their next doctors visit is?
2/05/2008 10:23:00 PM
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The system isn't great, but the CASE nurse probably has something like 150 CASES with probably multiple doctors, hospitals, etc. to deal with for each one. It sure gets more managable when you sit face to face with the officer. Perhaps a little more flexibility might work - like if you really can't make it try to work it out with the CASE nurse, but then, all 150 officers are probably trying to do the same thing. It may be difficult, or inconvenient for you to go down there ON THE CLOCK, abut it is - at least so far - the best way they have figured out how to handle the load...
Next time you are down there, take a look around and see how many files are on the nurse's desk, and those are only for that day...
How about eliminating the position of Captain again. They are all useless and make big $$$. Let's go back to Lieutenant's as watch commanders. We would save millions of dollars a year without this useless position.
2/05/2008 06:10:00 PM
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No, actually it costs more. and every LT who ever worked as a WC was paid out of grade pay ... you are a fool.
Besides, having two people of the same rank running something just doesn't work, separate but equal NEVER works. Somebody got to be the boss... even a half brained dimwit should be able to figure that out. If you don't like your captain, go somewhere else or wait til he/she leaves/retires... nothing lasts forever..
Make it a rotation spot for FTOs.
**Some FTO's are in it for the ppos and some are in it for the $.
Do you really think that an FTO wants to stand up in front of 25 recruits and talk for 8 hours? It's probably more beneficial for them to answer the few jobs here and there and call it a day.
2/05/2008 03:58:00 PM
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It shouldn't just be what the FTO wants, it should be what is for the greater good of the department and the recruit training as a whole.
I think the FTO's should rotate into the academy, that they should fulfil a role such as "assistant HRI" attend all classes with a class, assist the instructors, ensure any appropriate discipline of recruits (writing to froms etc.) is carried out, ensure they are performing up to standards, in other words, the FTO would not necessarily be instructing a lot of classes (unless he/she wanted to do that) but they would be shepherding the class during the academic phase, as well as assisting the instructors... Then the FTO should cycle back out to the street for probably a year or so.. when they come back to the academy, they have a lot to offer, such as how stuff is actually done out on the street. Funny how the academy is one or two steps behind in training - their stuff is not always up to date. The FTO then becomes something like a liaison between the academy and the districts. It works from both ends. In the meantime, while at the academy, there are opportunities to offer specialized training to the FTO's with regard to being an FTO. There could also be a shift in the program ala the Reno model which is slightly different from the San Jose model (which our program is loosely modeled after)...
I could go on and on about this topic..
the one thing i hate is paper jumpers.
go get your own crap.
earn it the right way.
2/05/2008 11:14:00 AM
i was on midnights in 006, and 90% of them work there ass off. maybe your such a doty fan because you are mgmt on days. it is not his job to micro manage the p/o's that s why he has capt's, but he refuses to utilize them, and shuts them out, he let s his staff run the district. so get off your soap box and see what is really happening, because you are the first one who ever said people stay because of doty. ask the sgt from tact who just got dumped how he feels. maybe doty has been great to you and good for you and him but the evidence thus far is to the contrary.
2/05/2008 03:49:00 PM
it's real funny how everyone has a comment about J. Doty but nobody has a fucking clue what the fuck really goes on. everybody's ready to cry when they get dumped to a bullshit ass watch or dumped from tact or gangs and won't admit they really are a jagoff or you didn't do shit(or in one of the cases of the tact sgt. that got dumped damn near your whole team didn't like you.) No the man is not perfect but that damn near goes for every fucking commander in the department. And i am sure that their are more fucked ass bosses than Doty. And maybe if 006 has turned so bad it might be your ass and not management. 006 watch and tact/gang are doing just fine.
what happened to capt. roberts in 006
THAT J. DOTY THE PILLSBURY DOUGH BOY . CLOUT , NOT TO BRIGHT A COWARD AT THAT . I KNOW FIRST HAND . HEY DOUGH BOY U KNOW IT'S TRUE. IF IT WERE NOT FOR CLOUT WHERE WOULD HE BE ? 21 TACT CHASING DRUG DEALERS . I ADMIT THAT HE WAS GOOD AT. AND LOOKING UNDER SKIRTS
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what happened to capt. roberts in 006
2/06/2008 07:36:00 AM
unfortunately capt. roberts perverted ass is still in 006 on midnights. hopefully some female will get a case against him and it will stick.
ALL District Managers are Daley appointed City Hall hacks. Their pictures should hang in the Hack hall of Fame. Big money, no responsibility, perfect lil DemocRATS. The main qualification seems to be double digit IQs. Their huge saleries are no more than theft from the public treasury.
There could also be a shift in the program ala the Reno model which is slightly different from the San Jose model (which our program is loosely modeled after)...
I could go on and on about this topic..
2/06/2008 12:12:00 AM
Great ideas for FTO's. This concept has been kicked around for years but no one will make a decision. Who is in charge of the FTO program? The FTO sgt at academy is absolutely clueless. The program cries for a leader to take charge and introduce new ideas. Rotation is a sound idea but cannot force them to teach in a classroom. How many FTO's are actually qualified to work with recruits or are willing to help in the academy? How many PPO's are crying about their horrible experiences with certain FTO's? As a veteran FTO, I would be happy for any model just bring credability to the FTO program. Do something for this valuable program. Leadership.
006th district manangement has turned the district into the Skum-times of police districts everybody jumping ship and yet the mope-rah and the moriartis have a death grip on the wheel.
Nobody should get Anything unless it's by SENIORITY. Let the new kids wait their turn. Too f'n bad if they don't like it.
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Couldn't agree with you more. Seniority has fallen by the way the last few years. This new Generation "X" feels they are owed everything and have to desire to actually EARN anything. Lets bring seniority back to the place it should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Offer premium pay for those working 1st and 3rd Watch. You'll get more veteran officers on those watches who would do it for the money (no need for part-time job).
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Go back to rotating shifts. Things were so much better then - everyone was equal, no ass kissing cuz we all went around the clock no matter what. Show these new punks how we did it for years. Oh, but they would be crying big time if they had to do that!! Because THEY have a college education!!! LOL
What an asshole you are. You think because you've been around the longest that you're the right person for a particular job? It doesn't work like that. If there are several equally qualified applicants, then seniority should be applied. Other than that, seniority is good for furlough picks and special employment. Almost every time I've heard an old timer say, kid I got XX years on the job, here's how we do this, I know things are getting fucked up.
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Obviously written by someone WITHOUT seniority. Believe me, it will be just as important to you when YOU have it. Dumb ass!!!
6:52a.m., you were way to easy on JD. He don't need to go to iad or anywhere, but into retirement. I love how you got someone from there stirred up though. I would bet there is not another district that has the amount of grievances, safety complaints or EEOCs filed against a DC.
Hey days in 006. Are you performing fellatio on Doty?
Go back to rotating shifts. Things were so much better then - everyone was equal, no ass kissing cuz we all went around the clock no matter what. Show these new punks how we did it for years. Oh, but they would be crying big time if they had to do that!! Because THEY have a college education!!! LOL
2/06/2008 03:00:00 PM
Let's not. That kind of shift work has been shown to wreak all kinds of havoc on people's systems, both physically and mentally. It is just not a healthy way to live, especially when it has been proven to disrupt sleep patterns and cause depression. And don't tell me it didn't affect you back in the day. It's like when people who work midnights say they're not tired but they LOOK tired and are grumpy and pasty to boot. Not a good way to level the playing field, in my opinion. And that opinion has nothing to do with my education, or lack thereof.
it's real funny how everyone has a comment about J. Doty but nobody has a fucking clue what the fuck really goes on. everybody's ready to cry when they get dumped to a bullshit ass watch or dumped from tact or gangs and won't admit they really are a jagoff or you didn't do shit(or in one of the cases of the tact sgt. that got dumped damn near your whole team didn't like you.) No the man is not perfect but that damn near goes for every fucking commander in the department. And i am sure that their are more fucked ass bosses than Doty. And maybe if 006 has turned so bad it might be your ass and not management. 006 watch and tact/gang are doing just fine.
2/06/2008 01:58:00 AM
Spoken like the true ignorant prick you are!!
Offer premium pay for those working 1st and 3rd Watch. You'll get more veteran officers on those watches who would do it for the money (no need for part-time job).
2/05/2008 07:16:00 PM
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Premium pay for 3rd watch? How about just 1st watch since 3rd still allows you to have the sembelance of a normal life. It'd make the midnights easier to swallow and Im sure that a lot of PO's would gladly give up their midnight spot to someone with more seniority that wanted the money.
It could easily be justified with the new studies on working midnights and its correlation with health risks.
AMEN!!! I've always said the only way to cut out ALL clout & nepotism is to do EVERYTHING by seniority.
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You, sir, must have about 35yrs on and a poor work ethic. Its not about the time you put in, it should be about the WORK you put in. A '3 year wonder' may have the brains and the work ethic that a 35 year 'veteran' lost years ago.
And what if that guy with the #1 seniority says, "I wanna see what its like on the SWAT team"? He should go there if he cant pass the test? "I wanna go to the marine unit, I was on a boat once" but he cant tread water for 30 seconds?
it's real funny how everyone has a comment about J. Doty but nobody has a fucking clue what the fuck really goes on. everybody's ready to cry when they get dumped to a bullshit ass watch or dumped from tact or gangs and won't admit they really are a jagoff or you didn't do shit(or in one of the cases of the tact sgt. that got dumped damn near your whole team didn't like you.) No the man is not perfect but that damn near goes for every fucking commander in the department. And i am sure that their are more fucked ass bosses than Doty. And maybe if 006 has turned so bad it might be your ass and not management. 006 watch and tact/gang are doing just fine.
2/06/2008 01:58:00 AM
Spoken like the true ignorant prick you are!!
2/07/2008 01:43:00 AM
No dumbass just the cold hard facts. And let me guess you must be a bitter ass he cussed out.
So if you work in a nice north side district, PLEASE do your job and give them some service. This department is full of people who would bitch if Jesus Christ himself asked for a report. Please each and every copper needs to take care of his or herself, check the attitude, and treat every person from a
Does this mean that people in south side districts dont have any regular working people who work pay taxes, take care of their families etc....You are truly living in a fantasy world.
I've worked in all the south side districts; how did 004 get left off? Plenty of ghetto in 004, even in the "East Side" and Hegewisch areas, where a number of POs live.
There are also a lot of nice areas in 004 including areas of Beat 412 and 413 where guess what....middle and upper class blacks live...or did you forget about that. You are right about the East Side and Hegewisch!
Oh, I know I shouldn't do this. I can hear it now,"what were you thinking?" More then a few people ran up to me today and told me of some very negative things being said about the 006th district and it's Commander. They told me I was mentioned as agreeing with one side or the other. (I know no body really gives a rats a&& what I think and does anyone else feel like we're back in high school??). I knew then I should have never starting reading this blog a few weeks ago (but now, like many I'm hooked), and worse, I should have never started writing comments and even worse then that, putting my name to them. However, I guess I just can't stop making a fool of myself.
For what it's worth, I'm very proud to work in the 006th district. Although I've worked with hundreds of awesome police officers over the years, the 006th district has the largest single selection of terrific coppers, in one place, that I've ever had the pleasure to work with. In fact, I know the tact and gang teams led the entire city in arrest for 2007 and, now I could be wrong here, but I think so did the district come out on top out of the twenty five. And that includes some outstanding police work leading to the clearance of many of the major cases.
I see the situation there as a family, made up of many different and sometimes totally opposite personalities. And clearly, from some of the comments here, as in any family, conflicts arise. And typically the head of that family has pressures and burdens that the rest of us are just not privy to and they are also the target of most of our frustration. None the less, one can not mention the district's success without stating that, that success is also a reflection on the leadership. Whether you agree with one's style or not, at the end of the day results are the only true measure.
You know guys and girls we have several fellow officers who are facing extreme tragedy and grief, we have one unjustly languishing in a prison in Iowa, we have fellow officers serving in IRAQ and Afghanistan. Let's use this blog, this tool for far more productive things. For starters lets spread the word about benefits for these officers in need and let's send well wishes to those officers in the middle east. . Unity....
O'Brien
I know the tact and gang teams led the entire city in arrest for 2007
Yeah, those loose square pinches in front of the liquor store were stellar. I agree with alot of your post, but spare me the rest...
I couldn't agree more Sgt O'Brien. We should be utilizing the blog to embolden the Chicago Police Department...not hinder it. Mike Mette was INDEED sucker punched by Iowa politics. Officer Clisham (RIP)and his family, Officer Tamez were dealt serious blows to their health as were Sgt Brian Denegardt and FTO Charlie Scott. These are OUR fellow brothers in blue. You will notice the names mentioned are NOT all from 006. We are a family in CPD. Dysfunctional at times, but family nonetheless.
As far as TROOPS serving overseas, the way Americans have simply forgotten what happened on 9-11 is disgraceful.
Do you know that if you go to a hardware store or even a Ben Franklin nowadays it is almost impossible to find American flag stickers? Think about that. Remember when you could see patriotism pouring out of every household in the neighborhoods? Seems to me that if more coppers out there would defend the CPD, the better the working conditions would improve. Trust me, there are MANY veterans just waiting for a chance to begin the Chicago Police Academy. All this talk about low morale is just the tip of the iceberg. Things need to change with each and every copper in CPD. Attitude and testicular fortitude come to mind. They begin with the individual and spread from there.
I too work in 006. Unity...I have not experienced problems with backup. Nor have I experienced lack of professionalism either. Expect the worst and hope for the best. You will NEVER be disappointed.
You, sir, must have about 35yrs on and a poor work ethic. Its not about the time you put in, it should be about the WORK you put in. A '3 year wonder' may have the brains and the work ethic that a 35 year 'veteran' lost years ago.
And what if that guy with the #1 seniority says, "I wanna see what its like on the SWAT team"? He should go there if he cant pass the test? "I wanna go to the marine unit, I was on a boat once" but he cant tread water for 30 seconds?
YOU SIR....must be a 3 year wonder. Seniority will mean something to you when you get it. Remember that!!
Couldn't hack it in 009, so you went to 006. Eat shit and die!
Sgt OB and Windy City Vets are both correct. 006 has it's problems, but the police officers there do lookout for each other and make the job bearable. You won't even see any BID openings for 006. It's amazing! Sgts on the otherhand....are leaving the district like crazy. There is no UNITY on that issue. That MUST change.
3:17pm
Do you honestly believe that you should have anything to say for or against 006? God you truly annoy me! You haven't been 006 long enough to give an opinion.
Keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about! When you get a year under your belt in 006, then you have the right to give stupid advice. Until then, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
I wish you asshats would stop speaking up for 006. I work there and believe me it is a shithole. As soon as my year is up I'm bidding out to get away from JD and his micromanaging ways.
Sgt O'Brien you are making an ass of yourself on here by telling po's that 006 is full of unity.
No it's not!!!
Until JD leaves and Mags decides to stop being so hard on po's that make mistakes, then I say 006 will not improve. Quit tyring to fool everyone into believing 006 is a great place to work.
-3rd watch po
2:56 and 3:17
You BOTH need to drink some beers, get laid and relax Francis! What the fuck is wrong with you two pussys? I'm ashamed to say I work in 006th dist with yas!
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