Clearance Rate to Fall
Chicago Police detectives -- other than those assigned to the FBI's violent crimes task force -- will no longer respond to bank robberies in Chicago, under a policy change unveiled this week that rankled the police union.
Fraternal Order of Police President Mark Donahue said morale among rank-and-file officers is already at "a very low point," and it won't get any better if career-FBI agent-turned Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis hands off police duties to his former FBI colleagues.
Well, as "rank-and-file" persons, we never really got to investigate bank robberies. We guess we won't miss it much. But what's with Mark all over the news lately? Is he realizing the entire negotiating process is being indirectly derailed by Daley's people talking to the press, leaking to the press and making J-Fed subvert the negotiating process?
Labels: FOP, we got nothing
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
62 Comments:
Mark is all over the press because of you SCC. You see, the press has been out there quoting you and asking you for input whereas, the FOP has been left in the dark. Why, because you have the pulse of the officers and FOP does not. The FOP is beginning to understand what the officers want and Mark has to get out there and do his job now. This is a direct result of you SCC. Congrats. Keep up the good work.
Donahue is trying make a common enemy of the sup to make up for the fact that he and his fucking crew do nothing for us.
When the fuck is the FOPgoing to start providing us with attorneys to sue these assholes that file false claims against us?
That mean no more response to bank alarms either? Just asking.
THE SO CALLED TASK FORCE HAS A BUNCH OF DICK DETAILED THEIR ANYWAYS.
THE FED PAY THEM AND THE AREAS END UP WITH VACANT SPOTS. THE SPOT THAT ARE NEVER FILLED B CUZ THEY ARE DETAILED OUT TO THE FEDS.
SAME OLD CRAP JUST LIKE HIDTA A BUNCH OF COMPUTER GEEKS. HOW MANY OF YOU EVEN HAVE SEEN THESE CLOWNS. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP IN NARCOTICS CASES ANY ONE HAVE A STORY OF THEIR BRAVE COMPUTER TECHNIQUES.
this will never happen ...the fbi is too short handed...just ask them. They have like a handful of guys working all the chicagoland bank robberies. I think they actually appreciate the help on these
Who wants to investigate anyway. Have at it F.B.I. Any way boys and girls, looks like things are finally coming to a head. Between the midget mayor, overpaid useless foi gras concerned politicians, store front race baiting reverands, incompetant boot licking bosses, goofy ideas of mandatory contact cards on stops, filling out silly cards on traffic stops for university studies, trr reports, answering to every bullshit cr#, being second guessed by cameras on every corner, in every car and on every mutts phone, the bleeding heart liberal lunatics and the biggest culprit of all, THE CHICAGO MEDIA... THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OFFICIALLY BROKEN! And as a result this city is going to suffer irreparable damage. You have turned this once great Police Department into a bunch of paper pushing report taking salty mother fuckers. So when you are all ready to apologize, kiss our asses, hand us a fat juicy contract and appreciate the sacrifices that we once made and would gladly make again if only supported and appreciated... ONLY THEN WILL I PUT AWAY MY SILLY PEN, DUST OFF MY SWORD AND TAKE BACK THE STREETS OF THIS ONCE GREAT CITY!!!! Until that day comes, I suggest you all buy a gun to protect yourselves. Oh wait, I forgot... you can't. You live in Chicago. Oh well, I guess it would be a good idea for you all to hurry up with the apology, ass kissing and juicy contract. Until that day comes, I hope you and your loved ones avoid being the next victim to fall prey to one of the morlocks.
The hardest working/best Lt. I have ever worked for gets dumped from tact. Lt. in 015 for sticking up for his people. That is smart, dump a great hard working guy just before summer. Cmdr. you are not very smart, and need to stop listening to the "reverends."
why was using your cellhone while driving changed to an anov offense rather than a mover?
There are something like 12-15 CPD detectives plus a couple CPD sgts assigned to the FBI Bank Robbery Task Force. They work out of the new federal law enforcement building on Roosevelt Road near juvenile court. They will come out and handle the paper on Bank Robberies from now on, not the Area detectives. If Donohue is bitching about this, he's a moron. The Area guys don't want the bank robberies. We have complained for years that the Task Force guys should do them. They are CPD detectives detailed to the feds. Bank robberies are federal crimes. This did not hurt morale, it helped it in the Areas.
I would just love to see a comparison of comparable homicide (murder and non-negligent manslaughter) clearance rates of all U.S. cities with populations in excess of 500,000. Also include exceptional clearances.
How about all Part I crimes? Now wouldn't that be enlightening.
Could this be one of Chicago's most shocking and shameful secrets? The media and the public are oblivious.
What will we do without the leadership and expertise of Senora Sherlock?
They make this sound like something important. As a Dick we always went to the scene and got information for the major log. But the guys on the FBI task force always were assigned follow up on the job.
J-Fed is a joke, but this is a good idea. It was not his idea though. Dep Sup Peterson, Bureau of Investigative Services, decided to do this. He wanted all the dicks detailed to the feds brought back to the areas. Wanted everyone at HIDTA, Bank Robbery Task Force, DEA etc back where they belong, the areas. The feds whined that they needed the manpower, so it was agreed the guys could stay. Peterson however wants to make sure they are going to be doing something besides working 4 hour days, four days a week, while getting their federally guaranteed $500 monthly overtime. Yes the boys detailed to the feds get $500 a month, every month, in overtime whether they earn it or not. They all have take home cars to.
I guess it has become the policy of this department to reduce the authority we as police officers have on the street.
In addition to this bank robbery thing, a SGT from the CPD training academy, is currently training CTA employees on how to write parkers.
I could care less about the parkers....., but in that we are in contract talks, aren't we giving up something for nothing?
Shouldn't this be a contract issue first, FOP?!!!... To be negotiated for something in return, from the city!!!
As a practical matter, this makes sense. CPD personel will be there to assist as usual-but no duplication of investigative efforts. RBT detectives have more important things to do than type a major the Feds don't need.
mark is FOS! I'm glad they've taken over the investigations. All we did was the intial report and the super secret bank squad would never tell CPD or the investigating det's NOTHING! In most cases they (fbi) already knew who the offender(s) were. They would sit and wait for the numbskulls to strike again and then arrest the offender(s) for multiple cases.
No police duties will be lost because of this. Police will still respond to 911 calls of holdups in banks, do case report etc. if an offender is on scene, they make arrest, get CB number, just like always.
And, like always, the offender and paperwork is handed over to FBI task Force investigating bank robberies, like always.
The practice of assigning a detective from the nearest area will stop because, like always, all they did was a short report and hand it to FBI. This only stops assigning that extra detective from the area to a bank robbery, they weren't normally needed anyway. Detectives are no working with the Task Force.
Very little has actually changed. Redundant detective assigned who did little anyway is only change. Beat cars still go, still make paper, still try to make arrest at or near scene, get credit etc. Big deal about nothing.
Actually, my morale would increase if the FBI took over more duties, like domestics! Go FBI!!
Anonymous said...
J-Fed is a joke, but this is a good idea. It was not his idea though. Dep Sup Peterson, Bureau of Investigative Services, decided to do this. He wanted all the dicks detailed to the feds brought back to the areas. Wanted everyone at HIDTA, Bank Robbery Task Force, DEA etc back where they belong, the areas. The feds whined that they needed the manpower, so it was agreed the guys could stay. Peterson however wants to make sure they are going to be doing something besides working 4 hour days, four days a week, while getting their federally guaranteed $500 monthly overtime. Yes the boys detailed to the feds get $500 a month, every month, in overtime whether they earn it or not. They all have take home cars to.
5/23/2008 01:33:00 AM
Take home cars no new take home jeeps! Must be nice 2 be hidden!
About the bank robbery thing. Who is going to handle the case when someone is shot and killed during a bank robbery? Area Dets or the political appointees on the bank robbery squad or worse the feds? Who knowns? Thank God it hasen't happended in a lond time, but it will happen sooner or later?
You are all right about one thing. Donohue is a moron.
"Weis said he prides himself on not reading a police blog that derisively refers to him as 'J-Fed' and pokes fun at his policies. But he said, 'People tell me some of the stuff that's on there.'"
ha
The Keesing Bandit says---
CTA employees writing parkers!!! They should not be given anything sharp like a pen.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
who gives a fuck?
Holy Mr. Bond Batman!!!
Mr. Bond thinks there are many reasons why CPD arrests are down...
1. The Chicago BIS homicide clearance rate is below thirty percent, the national
average is sixty-five percent? Suggestion: Distribute some Viagra to the
Detective Bureau to get those numbers up. Hey that old bald dude with the bad
teeth does he have ED?
2. Dismantled SOS last Fall and TRU this Spring, one thousand less guns will be
recovered this year. Suggestion: Allow five hundred or more un-registered guns
to register with Daley’s new buy a gun and kill program sponsored by Alderman
Mell. Cook County ASA will not approve you felony charges for UUW during the
program.
3. Use SWAT and Special Units armed with military style weapons to put the fear
of God by intimidating and agitating minority communities beyond your
average aggressive policing polices thus far. Suggestion: Watch Andy Taylor’s
Mayberry reruns to capture a sense of true community policing at its best.
4. Threaten the rank in file officers with crucifixion for making “lapses” in
judgement as determined by the police board and state courts as being only
human. Suggestion: Let the scales of justice and the judicial branch play it’s
role as judge, jury and executioner.
5. The superintendent should not negotiate terms of our contract with the media
minus the union’s representatives. Suggestion: How about telling Da Mayor to
settle the contract in a timely fashion at the bargaining table.
6. Fix the stupid merit system. Suggestion: Allow all sworn members who don’t
get a merit promotion to apply for a Shakman claim annually.
7. Supt return the uniforms back to the store. Suggestion: If you can’t get a
refund the union has a sale or donate them to Amvets for a tax right-off.
8. Seek indictments for Alderman Carothers, Eddie Burke and others for their
placement of promotions for friends and family program. Suggestion: Don’t trust
anyone. But, make one of your Federal buddies the First Deputy to prevent the
friends program from continuing here in Chicago.
9. Get the US Attorney to indictment Da Mayor and those Alderman selling out to
developers. Suggestion: I think you need to start at the top before you can
address the corruption problems faced by this city. Da Mayor and his Alderman
need to go...our citizens of this great city really ain’t got any clue what’s
going on here looking at all the smoke and mirrors. Naive citizen just talk about is
the price of gas at the pump. Meanwhile Da Mayor is pulling more dollars from
everyone’s wallet to give to his buddies.
10. Supt, are you crossed eyed? Suggestion: Start wearing your glasses again.
I like the Clark Kent image, it looks better on you.
why was using your cellhone while driving changed to an anov offense rather than a mover?
Revenue, lad. You and I know that it's virtually impossible to win a case against the ANOV hearing officer. On the other hand, look at all the cases that are tossed in traffic court. The city will reap tons of money and there's really no excuse that will allow the hearing officer to rule in the defendants favor.
"Until that day comes, I hope you and your loved ones avoid being the next victim to fall prey to one of the morlocks.
5/23/2008 12:40:00 AM"
Don't ya just love it, when a plan comes together?
There are something like 12-15 CPD detectives plus a couple CPD sgts assigned to the FBI Bank Robbery Task Force. They work out of the new federal law enforcement building on Roosevelt Road near juvenile court. They will come out and handle the paper on Bank Robberies from now on, not the Area detectives. If Donohue is bitching about this, he's a moron. The Area guys don't want the bank robberies. We have complained for years that the Task Force guys should do them. They are CPD detectives detailed to the feds. Bank robberies are federal crimes. This did not hurt morale, it helped it in the Areas.
5/23/2008 01:09:00 AM
Wow! we are short Sgt's and Detectives? Why are they there? Can I apply for that spot? Who are these people? must be of rare and noble birth I guess, The royalty of the department Just another joke...
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CPD Bank Robbery Squad out. Dognuts Squad in. In other words, we are trading places with the Feebs, cuz they always were the dognuts squad, while we solved most of the bank jobs.
Anonymous said...
why was using your cellhone while driving changed to an anov offense rather than a mover?
5/23/2008 12:54:00 AM
i have my suspicions on this one
Anonymous said...
this will never happen ...the fbi is too short handed...just ask them. They have like a handful of guys working all the chicagoland bank robberies. I think they actually appreciate the help on these
5/23/2008 12:40:00 AM
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The Detective don't follow-up on bank robberies and haven't for years. The Detectives were doing work that was also being done by the task force. A huge waste of time. It's about time the Detectives were relieved of this nonsense.
In the Suburbs, we always tried to dump the bank robberies back onto the Feds. If you don't have to do it, better for you. There are plenty of other crimes backed up to work on. Let the white collar crime fighters (Feds) do it like they are suppose to.
This is just smoke and mirrors with no real change. What J fraud needs to do is make some dicks so we can actually follow up on some cases instead of just suspending everything because our chris box is overflowing.
PS I would just like to add Eddie Welch the turd is the biggest moron commander in the CPD. This moron cant even rearrange the deck chairs on the titanic that is A/2. Clearence rate what clearance rate it doesnt matter if you know what your doing in A/2 all you need to know is little eddie and you work HGS or the mission team. Do your dirt in A/2 because most of the dicks cant catch VD at a whore house.
SCC, you and 95% of the readers/writers of this blog do not understand what a Collective Bargaining Agreement is because you are too busy asking for goodies from our leader that he has no ability to give.
The primary function of any Collective Bargaining Agent, in our case the FOP, is JOB SECURITY FOR ITS MEMBERS. If the city is prepared to "contract out" police duties to the FBI or Traffic Aids or to anyone else, that is a Number One Major priority.
All other items in the contract are a far distant lower priority than confronting the employer when he removes work from the employees.
In comparison, other issues of the contract are irrelevant. Salary, work hours, overtime availability, unit assigment, work duties, and discipline are all issues that 1) will be agreed to, or 2) will be decided in arbitration. These issues are negotiated. Contracting out or re-assigning work is never negotiated and it is ultimately the way the city can justify a "smaller" department to the arbitrator. That would give the city the right to reduce the workforce or, in our case, fire coppers. The city would then negotiate for the right to remove the coppers they don't want.
Robbery (all robbery) is a violation of Illinois Law. The city is saying that this "work" will no longer be performed by its employees.
Watch for more of this in the future because this is how the city will ultimately turn us all into at-will employees.
Please, I beg of you, don't give any info on bank robberies either.
Al we ever did was to write a report on bank robberies. Next we got away from that and not we do nothing with it, CPD-FBI taskforce handles the whole thing. 95% of these robberies are not robberies at all, there is no weapon in fact the offender gets hurt more from the exploding dye pack if it works. These BANKROBBERIES should be down graded to thefts by way of a note.
And all gang related Homicides should be handled by NAGIS?
Mark is pretty shrewd.
Some of the cops bitching about him, so he's been in the Newshound - local paper over here. Awards to officers, stories about dividing the 008 w/Zalewski, etc. It's very brillant.
Now if this dept. could do the same for all of you by making you look good and embarassing the hell out of this city. By uploading images/video of your beat cars w/200,000 miles, hand written reports, etc, the city would be quicker to respond plus they could showcase award ceremonies, etc..
Is it true that Lt. Paul KAne was dumped as the tac Lt. in015. If this is true, the commander is as ASSHAT> Kane hard dworker smart...looks out for his guys...Good job get rid of a good leader
Moral,,,going down sir
Donahue is a mouse among monsters in this city. Yes, the union has accomplishments on their side. I will give them that.
Donahue thinks everything can be handled with politically correct statements. You and I know, it'll never happen. And if you think he's being vocal now on the radio and TV about our plight and the bullshit that is permeating our very existence in this city, well then, you need an MRI. I've heard nothing on the radio or TV that would make me believe that he's the president of a 9500 police officers.
What this union lacks, IS A JIMMY HOFFA TYPE OF PREZ. Donahue is not that type. He is a low key individual that creates no waves. And Lil Caesar loves him for it.
Lets not forget, Donahue is a politician, not a union President. He should be a lobbyist, not a union leader. Let's not forget that he was elected by the 80% of retirees that vote in the union election and not the 30 to 35% of active members that voted.
This department sorely lacks a voice. Someone, who with a few statements, will keep Lil Caesar and The Deer in the Headlights up at night, fuming over what was said. Donuhue will never be that person.
Then, and only then, will we be heard, and just maybe, RESPECTED.
BELLA FOR PREZ.
Bill Burns is a great guy. Start going to FOP meetings. Meet him and lets vote him in next time. We are jerk offs if we don't. I am not Bill Burns.
I along with many,many other P.O.'s respectfully request SCC run for F.L.O.P. president and restore our union to it's rightful glory "THE F.O.P"
I can recall a few years back when there was a huge backlash against the Philly police and their F.O.P. president opened up with both barrels and said (not verbatim)that my guys will do everything that is required of them,however going that extra mile to effect an arrest forget about it they will do reports and if victim wants to sign complaints by all means my officers will make arrests but that's it.A week later they had a rent-a-reverend back peddling with his tail between his legs and that he wanted officers back on regular patrols (my guess is he could bring himself to say the word "AGGRESSIVE PATROLS").
Morlocks hahahahaha.I just about fell off my chair reading the post.How true just imagine if we stuck together like that,instead of insulting one another we'd be a force to be recond with.I would be willing to bet that daly'd volunteer to be the donkey for pin the tail on the donkey because he is the biggist jack ass in existence.
Has the picnic site been chosen yet? That is the business at hand.
Can anyone help me out, I'd like to know if Daley is classified as a Midget, or a Dwarf? PLease let me know, as there supposedly is some kind of difference.
Who would want to work with the FBI in the first place?
"Rather have a sister in a whore house, than a brother in the FBI."
Let them take over the domestics and public school security while they r at it.
The hardest working/best Lt. I have ever worked for gets dumped from tact. Lt. in 015 for sticking up for his people. That is smart, dump a great hard working guy just before summer. Cmdr. you are not very smart, and need to stop listening to the "reverends."
5/23/2008 12:40:00 AM
The DC may be a jerk but he can appoint anybody he wants to that job. What are you crying for , internet superhero nobody to hold your hand any more? everybody's shut down working anyway so what difference does it make who's tact lt? You tact superheros ain't gonna do shit anyway. Now go take your two hour lunch, crybaby.
its a federal crime. let the feds investigate it.
The clearance rate will actually go up with FBI Agents handling the situation. They have more resources, more personnel, and are a lot smarter. If we were smart enough we would be feebs. I wish I had a dfegree and I were younger, I would leap to the feebs. They make six figures.
A typical no clout guy on the watch in Fillmore
for the blogger who wants to know where the sergeants and detectives are--they are hiding out in iad
I can recall a few years back when there was a huge backlash against the Philly police and their F.O.P. president opened up with both barrels and said (not verbatim)that my guys will do everything that is required of them,however going that extra mile to effect an arrest forget about it they will do reports and if victim wants to sign complaints by all means my officers will make arrests but that's it.A week later they had a rent-a-reverend back peddling with his tail between his legs and that he wanted officers back on regular patrols (my guess is he could bring himself to say the word "AGGRESSIVE PATROLS").
5/23/2008 09:21:00 PM
** Tell the dispatcher if there is nobody to sign complaints for those anonymous calls about barking dogs, loud music, kids playing basketball etc that they are a Big 19P. They can't disturb my peace. I will drive past and that's it! When they call about the viscious dog 19P - call animal control. I'm not wasting my time.
can the clearance rate go negative? They are trying their best in A/2 some of the commanders pet dicks couldnt find their way out of the office you go to the crime you cant tell every victim and witness to come to the area, lazyness is destroying what was a good job. Eddie the turd friends and family program has resulted in the lowest clearance rate in the city.
Dwarfs have those huge scary heads and hands which are totally out of proportion to the rest of their bodies. Midgets, on the other hand, are just sort of miniature, but everything is aligned and in proportion. Got it? Dwarf= freaky, Midget= just really little.
Who cares about the FBI anyway? Probaly just Daley, the gov, Burke and the rest of the theiving jerks. We needn't worry.
In furtherance, I like all the feds I've met. Except you-know-who.
anonymous said...
The clearance rate will actually go up with FBI Agents handling the situation. They have more resources, more personnel, and are a lot smarter. If we were smart enough we would be feebs. I wish I had a dfegree and I were younger, I would leap to the feebs. They make six figures.
A typical no clout guy on the watch in Fillmore
5/24/2008 11:34:00 AM
Hahahahahaha....me too.
The clearance rate will fall? LOL - I didn't think they cleared many to begin with. This isn't a slam at the Det's. I think they (Det's) began learning before the P.O.'s to back off on aggressively clearing a case and trying to send the bad guy/gal to jail.
The FOP needs to get off their collective asses and really give the City a full on push for our contract. You are all assigned there - it's not like you're doing anything else. And while I'm on the subject - could someone down there PLEASE keep Mark out of the Media. Whatta dumdum this guy comes across. He seems to be utterly clueless as to what our plight is and how to repair it. (no, I didn't vote for him)
As I read it not much has changed as far as how bank robberies are investigated. Why all the hubbub? Because J-Fed is trying to use his smoke & mirrors trick on the public/media. The public can see we are giving them what they want. This robbery thing is nothing new, persay - we all know that. But - the public didn't. So - try to regain some confidence from the public by stating a 'new' policy will be handled by the Feds to deflect from all the other problems he has or has created.
Yes, morale was low before he got here. But - he has apparently made it his personal goal to ruin this department in record time. He's succeeding so far, it's the only thing he's succeeding in doing.
'Until morale improves the beatings will continue'. Well - you can only beat us so long before we collectively come up with a solution.
Blue Flu? Nope - it's illegal, we aren't allowed.
BUT we CAN do exactly what is required of us. Answer your calls in a timely manner. Parking violator? Really, where? I didn't see it. That's not alcohol in those cups, looks like apple juice to me those young lads are enjoying traipsing back and forth on the corners.
This is what the Mayor wants, this is what the Reverands, AlderCreatures, J-Fed, the Courts and a good portion of the communities want. We ain't the sharpest tacks in the box - but we ain't stupid neither... Give em what they want. Walk the line, do not stray. No one is willing to protect you when the shithead beefs.
The majority of us go out each day well-intentioned. Get the bad guys off the street. Inventory their guns, dope, money - impound their cars. It's what we did & I enjoyed the hell out of it. The public has spoken. They don't want the police to be the police. Time to give our 'adoring' public what they want.
Chicago detectives should be clearing crime, the bank robberies handle by the feds. Dicks in Chicago have it made , they dont investigate all they do is close cases and walk around if they were bosses with an attitude, they forget they have the same shirt color as a patrol officer.Get rid of dicks from Specialized Units and put them in an areas, none-detectives can fill the vacancy, dicks should be investigating why are they making the big money. Get them out of Homan Square, get them back on the streets clearing cases, they dont have any business being in Fugive Warrants making all that money on overtime is a disgrace.These guys and girls are hiding at Homan Square making fat money , Chicago have officer that are trained to do what they do, Those folks deserve a chance to work in the specialized field. detectives are taking advantage by getting their clout to place in Homan Square give other guys a chance, get out and solve crime thats what you get paid for. Maher put them in there now she is gone get new blood also change the Sgt they dicks too go to an area and give your knowledge of crime solving to your peers such other Sgt's that don't have clout. Time to go Batista, now go and do real work, can hide any longer How many years Al, party over dude.
You know how heavy you have to be to make detectiv e. Try getting one of these spots, or assigned to DEA. Plutonium heavy.
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