Tuesday, May 06, 2008

Neil Ignorant Again

Does this guy do any basic research? He published this one last week:
  • Mayor Daley and Police Supt. Jody Weis say the police need assault rifles because they're out-gunned by gang-bangers. And since they say it, I assume it must be true, though I can't remember a story in which police officers suffered after facing superior firepower.
Um, North Hollywood for starters. Then there was the guy in 010 who caught a rifle round through his hand back in the late 1990's - they made him a sergeant after that. A sergeant in 010 who lost most of the meat in his left arm after being sniped from a rooftop. The hit team intercepted on the way to a murder in 011 or 013 two years ago - cop wounded. TRU sergeant killed some guy a year or two ago who had a machine pistol.

The point is, those guns are out there. We need to match them. Unfortunately, we probably never will. This article puts it in perspective:
  • After a recent outbreak of gun-related violence, Mayor Richard Daley is now pushed into supporting a plan by new Police Superintendent Jody Weis to arm 13,000 Chicago police officers with assault rifles. Depending on how many weapons are eventually deployed, this may develop into the largest militarization of police patrol officers in United States history. If the department arms 10,000 of their officers with M4s, the police will have 9,900 more assault rifles in Chicago than the U.S. Marines presently have in Fallujah, Iraq.
  • Even the most basic rifle training is going to cost a day’s pay per officer, range staff, targets, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and cleaning costs. Estimate the salary costs conservatively at $160 per officer per day, and you’re looking at salary training costs of over $2 million just for introductory familiarization with the weapons system and another $338,000 in ammunition costs (based upon a bare minimum of 200 rounds per officer at a cost of $130/1000 rounds and 13,000 officers). As ammunition prices continue to go upward, due in part to increased police demand, the cost of rifle ammunition in periodic weapons recertification will continue to rise.
Daley will never spend that type of money on training and the regular street cops will never see these rifles. This is most likely another smoke screen put up by J-Fed in a series of smoke screens that do nothing but keep coppers hoping for a professional force, but resigning themselves to something on the order of Mayberry.

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78 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even if we do get them, will the department allow us to use them for anything other than ornamentation?

5/06/2008 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember an incident in 004 where the officers were out shot 3 to 1 by an offender with a Mac 10. Over 70 or so cases found, but luckily no copper or bystander got hit. But according to Neil this would only count had a copper got killed. Go F yourself Neil and the Sun Times.

5/06/2008 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm sorry but before this department and this fucked up city starts to spend boo koo bucks on all these m4's, how about a contract, and a decent one at that. no more bean, no more flower pots, no more tree planting, no more useless pod cams. lets pay the police a decent well deserved raise. then before getting tahoe's and m4's, let hire the 3,000 plus officers we're short. no more smoke and mirrors, please. then when its all said and done, lets ask for better equipment. priorities please.....

5/06/2008 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

they will sit in the w/c's office with the shotguns and a more restrictive use policy......if you can imagine that !

5/06/2008 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its true! Was at the academy talking to the range and the tact teams were there doing the power test for the assault rifle course. Range said after the tact teams are done they will start with patrol. You will have the opt to buy your own or sign one of the shitty military surplus m-4 the city are getting. Also there building racks inside the squad cars to mount the rifles. So all u fatty's better start stretching and running.

5/06/2008 02:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two maybe three sergeants trained per watch, if you can find three willing to carry the rifles. Maybe all the Tact and Gang Sgts, Specialized units. THEY DO US NO GOOD IF NOT IN CARS ON THE STREET Another question how about the cost of putting some type of locking devise in the cars. This is at least a year away

5/06/2008 02:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retail on a Colt 6920 is about $1200-1300 USD.Thats at least 10.8 million for just the guns for 9000 officers,NEVER HAPPEN.

5/06/2008 02:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and this is the guy that LIKES the police. Hahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaahhahaahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha you don't like the police Neil. Not one bit.

5/06/2008 03:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they should ask Ofc Stubig and Schaffer what an assault rifle could do. Probably one of the greatest shootouts in law enforcement history. I believe in the area of 600 rds were fired.

Why am I the only one who knows about this?

We won. We always win. Why, because we are brave.

5/06/2008 05:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are not getting the. The department ran out of bullets in area 2 last week!
Buy your own, richie and jody have thiers.

5/06/2008 06:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OUT GUNNED?????

Without giving too many details about the case....

Robbery

Four offenders

________________________________

Responded

Balls out chase striking at least seven vehicles, including ramming a squadrol

chase ended after offenders vehicle was disabled whens triking car number seven

bad guys jump out

three holding weapons...
one .380 pistol
one 12 guage shotgun, sawed off
one Tech .9
all fully loaded

One shot

We all made it home.

After the arrest, the kid with the Tech said if there weren't so many of us, he would have given it a try, he knew he could get 20 rounds of by the time I squeezed out 2-3.

Plenty of time for backup to join the chase,this time
Most times it just happens.....
It's all over before back up can arrive.

5/06/2008 06:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neils wife should be armed with a rifle.

5/06/2008 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ITS ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN....

5/06/2008 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Pasche outgunned the Chicago Police on West Lill Street back in the 80's. Rest in Peace Officer Richard Clarke

5/06/2008 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ten thousand rifles? How many Empty Holster Suckhole jobs are there? The city might be able to subtract the number of EHS's from the number of coppers that actually work the street in districts who actually volunteer to be trained on rifles (no way it should be mandatory for everyone.) Or...do as many jurisdictions do and allow us to buy our own rifles. I have owned a Ruger Mini-14, .223, for years but I keep it out of the city because of our goofy registration ordinance (my bullshit threshold is too low.) That is an idea which would save the mayor a boulevard planter full of money. For this suggestion may I have another bullshit ribbon to go with the other bullshit ribbons I don't wear?

5/06/2008 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hold on SCC....


There is a lot of money being thrown around in that article!!!


How dare you think that I would not want to spend THAT amount of cash - when EVERYONE knows that with training, guns, and ammunition comes kickbacks.

And maggie and I love a cash cow just as much as the next guy.

How dare you think that I can not find companies for my son Patrick to invest in, and then sell things to me, all while I get cash under the table and pass it along to my people?

You have gone soft and you have gone the way of the chicago Defender SCC - I am asshamed of you.

Richie Daley

5/06/2008 08:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To have some of those rifles ready and available is logical, to arm everyone with them is ridiculous. Have you ever watched some of the CPD members shooting at a stationary paper target in the gun range, using just a common revolver or pistol? And you are going to authorize them to carry WHAT??? Are you out of your FRIGGIN MINDS? PLLLLEEEEASE, use the money for something else for the troops, to make their jobs safer, and more efficient. Sophisticated weapons belong in the hands of highly trained individuals ONLY. Otherwise they are more of a danger to fellow P.O.'s and the community, than to the thug element.

5/06/2008 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget the housing guy (CPD) who got shot in 1999 or 2000 by the rifle sniper in the breezeway in the projects at Adams/Western.

5/06/2008 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You will have the opt to buy your own or sign one of the shitty military surplus m-4 the city are getting. Also there building racks inside the squad cars to mount the rifles. So all u fatty's better start stretching and running.

5/06/2008 02:17:00 AM

Shouldn't these be provided as first issue? Like the tazers?

5/06/2008 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What tact teams are they talking about? I work tact and no one asked me if I wanted to get the training. How do we request to get the training?

5/06/2008 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well I work in 021 and I am glad we have the U of C police. They have the carbines already and have had them for quite awhile. I will just call them, let them do their thing and write the paper after. After all I am just a secretary with a gun.

5/06/2008 09:53:00 AM  
Blogger John Northen said...

April 11, 1986: Miami, Florida

About the time that Weis joined the FBI, the G was outgunned in a infamous shootout near Miami in which two courageous men made the ultimate sacrifice in an exchange with two bank robbers on a street stop.

The tragic murders of Special Agents Jerry Dove and Ben Grogan and the non-fatal shootings of FIVE other G-men clearly proved they were sitting ducks for the heavily armed duo.

The fact is that this incident resulted in the development of the 10 mm and ultimately the .40 S&W caliber round. The .40 is now FBI standard issue.

However, the LAPD North Hollywood bank robbery remains the textbook argument for IMMEDIATE and OVERWHELMING police firepower.

God forbid but if we were to lose any of our brothers and/or sisters because of the indecisive negligence of Daley and police mgmt., CPD blood will be on their hands.

5/06/2008 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

neil steinberg, Enough said!

5/06/2008 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neil must have gotten a raise. He is now a hatchet man for Daley.

5/06/2008 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least in the North Hollywood Bank of America robbery, the LAPD was able to "borrow" heavy automatic weapons and ammo from L.A. gun stores in the San Fernando Valley.

Because of Daley and his ilk, there are no gun stores within our city limits.

5/06/2008 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After the arrest, the kid with the Tech said if there weren't so many of us, he would have given it a try, he knew he could get 20 rounds of by the time I squeezed out 2-3.

Plenty of time for backup to join the chase,this time
Most times it just happens.....
It's all over before back up can arrive.

5/06/2008 06:38:00 AM

How is that possible??Both are semi-auto and the TEC is a POS with crappy trigger pull.Please dont tell me it was a machinegun.

5/06/2008 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They can keep the M4s,gimme one of those Thompsons CPD keeps stashed away.230g hardball makes them fall.

5/06/2008 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.colt.com/law/lecarbine.asp

5/06/2008 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

arm 13,000 Chicago police officers with assault rifles

**If you pass a power test soooo there will not be 13,000 armed with rifles and they forget that we don't have 13,000 officers on this job either.

5/06/2008 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC:

The Trib failed to mention the race of the offender in the 014th Dist double homicide last night. There was no doubt amongst anyone as to his race. Every flash was consistent ... etc.

WTF is withholding the offender's race gonna do?

Here's the politically correct shitrag's snippit:

"The gunman was described as a male in his late teens or early 20s, about 5 feet 11 inches and wearing blue jeans and a red baseball cap, police said. The motive for the shooting was under investigation and no one was in custody Tuesday morning."

5/06/2008 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just posted the off topic about the trib ommiting the offender's race. Just to clarify ... if the offender was white I'd also want the Trib to post the shit out of that - no offense meant.

5/06/2008 01:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why is it the ISP who don't do any real police work can have every Trooper issued a rifle and shotgun and us the real police cannot get either one? Guess you just have to look pretty to be equipped

5/06/2008 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What CPD has to do is list gangbangers as "domestic terrorist" or "Security threat groups", and you get federal funding for your m4's. I'm sure your buddy j fed knows how to BS his way around the paper work.

5/06/2008 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before we drop all this money on rifles, which will never happen like the Tahoes, let's try hiring more PO's!!

5/06/2008 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there are very few civilians who actually care about the police and appreciate what the police do on a daily basis, and those few are usually family and friends. the average citizen just doesn't care about the police. they don't care that we are outgunned. if/when one of us gets killed they say "oh well, he signed up to be a cop." you think the media wants us to even up the firepower? hell no! they can't wait for one of us to get shot and killed, that way they can use our funerals to sell a few more papers and get more people to watch the news on tv for a couple of days. on top of that steinberg lives in northbrook or something like that. he has no clue about the violence on chicago streets. he thinks everything is peachy like it is out in the burbs where he lives.

5/06/2008 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why was Neil at the memorial service held at the FOP today?

5/06/2008 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every officer will NOT get a rifle, How many cars are on the street say on the 3rd watch, 250-350? That is how many rifles you would need. Officers being trained? They get paid if they are on the street or shooting a rifle at a range. This cost is total bullshit. The only cost would be the ammo used plus the cost of the rifle. Stop using the "downtown parade stats" from city hall.

5/06/2008 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's a typical Fed full of hot air, spouting grandiose ideas & will deliver on NONE of them.

He makes for good copy in the Media @ that's the extent of him.

Guarantee he couldn't find dope in the crime lab or his ass with both hands.
Never was a fan of Phil Slime but when the time comes to go through a door I'll take him any day over that freakzoid phony we currently have as Supe.

5/06/2008 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How dare you think that I can not find companies for my son Patrick to invest in, and then sell things to me, all while I get cash under the table and pass it along to my people?"

Good One. Yeah Patrick will have the Contract to sell the Rifles to the CPD.I can see it now, him standing in the Academy in his Maroon Beret& Blackwater T-shirt holding court. There will be line 1/2 way around the Building of you starstruck asshats drooling over the chance to drop 3g for a Rifle.
Can you say Pathetic?

5/06/2008 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Neil, how's the old lady?

5/06/2008 06:05:00 PM  
Blogger Henry Bowman said...

God forbid but if we were to lose any of our brothers and/or sisters because of the indecisive negligence of Daley and police mgmt., CPD blood will be on their hands.

5/06/2008 10:11:00 AM

John, I usually agree with you 100%but there already is blood on their hands, and on the hands of the media.

5/06/2008 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retail on a Colt 6920 is about $1200-1300 USD.Thats at least 10.8 million for just the guns for 9000 officers,NEVER HAPPEN.
________________________________

The city will buy them used from military surplus for about $400 a piece. just like the ones that SWAT carries now.

5/06/2008 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What tact teams are they talking about? I work tact and no one asked me if I wanted to get the training. How do we request to get the training?

5/06/2008 09:51:00 AM

___________________________________

Why the hell are you still working tac?

5/06/2008 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to resppond to northside, i dont think daly cares aboutcpd blood in his hands. he wasnt at st judes was he?

5/06/2008 06:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why is it the ISP who don't do any real police work can have every Trooper issued a rifle and shotgun and us the real police cannot get either one? Guess you just have to look pretty to be equipped

5/06/2008 02:44:00 PM

___________________________________

Take it easy tough guy.

5/06/2008 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is all bullcrap! I'm a twenty six year veteran; worked in 002, 007 and 011 when they were HOT! We went thru the zip-gun phase, the Uzi and the Mac 10, even the Mac 11, a few AK's and the awesome SPAS-12. Well boys and girls, there are only a couple of times in twenty six years that any shithead even attempted to use them on the police. THEY ALL SIMPLY TRIED TO GET AWAY...YOU KNOW, ESCAPE. And as for 'automatic'...only a few were "run-aways". The seer altered, pull the damn trigger, and the thing 'jags' off every round in the clip. No control and no accuracy! Truth be told...if the dummies (police) practiced with what they have, there would be no problem. It's all about target acquisition...not who's got the biggest dick! WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH IT? The current crop don't know diddly about weapons. How many times have I had to tell them they recovered a replica or a tear-gas pistol? An Uzi, a Tech9, Mac10, even the Enforcer are ALL big clunky SEMI-AUTO'S...it is extremely rare that any one of them in the last twenty years is actually fully automatic! So, instead of carrying a 40 ounce pistol, the crook is trying to run away with a boat anchor...and he has NOT been to the range for profeciency! If given the opportunity (they get the first shot traditionally), I'd double-tap his ass with a .38, 9mm or my venemous .45! Not to mention some of us are grand-fathered for the .41 and .44 magnums. The last thing I'd want is to be trying to get up, and get on target with a long ass carbine in a narrow ass gangway! Use your head...and spend some of that uniform allowance on some practice.

5/06/2008 07:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evidently Neil needs some officers killed before he figures we need the firepower. Neil, you my friend are a piece of shit!

5/06/2008 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its true! Was at the academy talking to the range and the tact teams were there doing the power test for the assault rifle course. Range said after the tact teams are done they will start with patrol. You will have the opt to buy your own or sign one of the shitty military surplus m-4 the city are getting. Also there building racks inside the squad cars to mount the rifles. So all u fatty's better start stretching and running.

5/06/2008 02:17:00 AM

I call BULLSHIT! I work tact in a south side district and we've never been told about this, nor has any paperwork come across informing us of this power test.

5/06/2008 08:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take anything Neil says with a grain of salt----he lashes out at authority figures because he can't control his personal demons.

5/06/2008 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After the North Hollywood shoot-out, the U.S. government gave the LAPD thousands of AR-15s.

The NYPD is also heavily armed.

Both NY & LA have multiple choppers available 24/7.

I agree with Northside. If the sh-t hits the fan, all the blame goes to the mayor and J-Fed.

5/06/2008 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shouldn't these be provided as first issue? Like the tazers?

5/06/2008 09:47:00 AM

The city didn't provide you with your prescribed weapon.

5/06/2008 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear we can qualify and carry RPG's, if we buy them ourselves.

5/06/2008 09:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a thought, many of our fellow officers including myself are prior military or are still currently the Guard or Reserves. Why not let their experience with the M16/M4 qualify as trainers for the rest of the officers without a military background? Are you telling me our range guys are better trained or equipped than our military? I think not and I laugh at the very notion.

5/06/2008 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS STATEMENT IS NOT BEING GIVEN VOLUNTARILY, BUT UNDER DURESS. I AM ONLY GIVING THIS STATEMENT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE PER G.O. 02-08, I KNOW I COULD LOSE MY JOB IF I REFUSE

For those about to rock
(POW POW POW)
WE
SALUTE
YOU!

5/06/2008 10:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

where was phat phil . no phat phil st. jude

5/06/2008 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neils wife should be armed with a rifle.

5/06/2008 07:38:00 AM

that was funny! way to make my night before I start mids..


why is it the ISP who don't do any real police work can have every Trooper issued a rifle and shotgun and us the real police cannot get either one? Guess you just have to look pretty to be equipped

5/06/2008 02:44:00 PM


Listen you two year wonder.. they are by THEMSELVES on tour sometimes pulling over 4 shitbirds in a car when help is MILES away. A lot of troopers have dies from being outmanned and OUTGUNNED. I'd rather have it in case I need it than need it and not have it.

I see many guys here conduct unsafe t stops, two people assigned to the car. Watch and observe how a Trooper handles a t stop with 4 heads. They don't play around.

Please people watch the ignorant comments. Let's show some professional courtesy to each other on SCC and off duty. But you might be that policeman that would write a cop you snitch

5/06/2008 11:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC:

The Trib failed to mention the race of the offender in the 014th Dist double homicide last night. There was no doubt amongst anyone as to his race. Every flash was consistent ... etc.

WTF is withholding the offender's race gonna do?

Here's the politically correct shitrag's snippit:

"The gunman was described as a male in his late teens or early 20s, about 5 feet 11 inches and wearing blue jeans and a red baseball cap, police said. The motive for the shooting was under investigation and no one was in custody Tuesday morning."

5/06/2008 01:33:00 PM

i saw that, it's fucking retarded. and everyone knew it was the CVLs who did the shooting too

5/06/2008 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go have a beer Neil.

5/06/2008 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask "Pistol Pete" in 025. The top gun slinger cop in Area 5.

5/07/2008 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a thought, many of our fellow officers including myself are prior military or are still currently the Guard or Reserves. Why not let their experience with the M16/M4 qualify as trainers for the rest of the officers without a military background? Are you telling me our range guys are better trained or equipped than our military? I think not and I laugh at the very notion.

YOU'RE RIGHT. I WAS IN THE "KISS" ARMY,AND I SHOULD GET A SHOTGUN TOO -- THEY CALLED ME THE DR. OF LOVE................

5/07/2008 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you two year wonder.. they are by THEMSELVES on tour sometimes pulling over 4 shitbirds in a car when help is MILES away. A lot of troopers have dies from being outmanned and OUTGUNNED. I'd rather have it in case I need it than need it and not have it.

I see many guys here conduct unsafe t stops, two people assigned to the car. Watch and observe how a Trooper handles a t stop with 4 heads. They don't play around.
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i respectfully disagree, most of the footage i have seen of state po's stopping cars (by themselves)and then getting hurt have beeen by their own bad decisions..for example -the one with the female telling the offender he had a warrant for his arrest before he was not handcuffed or no back up had arrived...and she got the shit beat out of her ...or the one with the texas trooper who let three male 4/'s all get out of the car and outnumber him before he even knew what was going on,,,GOD BLESS ALL THESE MEN/WOMAN, BUT MOST OF THE VIDEOS I HAVE SEEN ARE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT NOT, NOT, TO DO........I CAN'T WATCH THE SHOW "COPS" BECAUSE I SEE SO MANY BAD MISTAKES IN POLICE WORK, AND IM NO EXPERT,....JUST DONT LET THE BAD GUY ONE UP YOU.........BE SAFE,,,,ISP MAY HAVE MORE TECH, BUT CPD (IN THE FIELD) HAS MORE KNOW HOW...AND BY THE WAY, IHAVE NEVER SEEN A SINGLE IMAGE OF A STATE PO APPROACHING A CAR WITH A SHOT GUN, WHETER ITS 1-5 OFFENDERS.....-OR THE ONE WITH THE STATE PO STOPPING A GUY WHO WONT TAKE HIS HANDS OUT OF HIS POCKET, YET LETS THE GUY WALK UP TO HIS CAR AS HE TRIES TO RUN HIS NAME...AND WAS SHOT AND KILLED...WE ALL GET LAX, BUT BE SAFE...HAVE THE EDGE..

5/07/2008 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why is it the ISP who don't do any real police work can have every Trooper issued a rifle and shotgun and us the real police cannot get either one? Guess you just have to look pretty to be equipped

Whoever wrote this you must be the dumbest fucker known to mankind and that goes for SCC for even allowing it. Troopers have one of the hardest job in law enforcement. Back up could be ten to fifteen minutes away, when they pull over a car with four to six black dudes in a Buick Electra or 10 Mexicans in a Chevy Citations. And remember they roll 99. But you being a dumb ass wouldn't even know that. Some times I am so proud to be CPD until I hear a dumb ass disrespect fellow police officer. Sorry Troopers we have some dumb asses on this job.

5/07/2008 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a thought, many of our fellow officers including myself are prior military or are still currently the Guard or Reserves. Why not let their experience with the M16/M4 qualify as trainers for the rest of the officers without a military background? Are you telling me our range guys are better trained or equipped than our military? I think not and I laugh at the very notion.

5/06/2008 10:41:00 PM

Having been in the military as a small arms instructor, I think you're wrong. The average military trained rifleman is just that, a rifleman. It takes less than 8 hours of training to get out on the range and pass a qualification course. As an instructor, I spent 3 months in training. Military service is not an indicator of proficiency with a weapon. IF we get them, we will receive military surplus M-16's that will be converted to M-4's by either our dept. or a contractor. That would be a great special employment gig for the military armorers on the job. The city would save a fortune paying only time and a half for the work to be done.

5/07/2008 01:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"where was phat phil" at St. Judes?

Answer- counting his money that he receives as the Memorial Fund Director.

5/07/2008 04:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Goodbye SCC, I used to log in to see what was going on, but this site has degenerated into a huge fucking whinefest. Wah wah wah, we cant do our jobs, you got the department you wanted..etc,etc,etc.

Was anybody here paying attention when they said you had to deal with human garbage everyday you show up for your shift.

Don't like the laws and policies. Well, who fucked up first? Talk about the governor, the mayor and all the rest, what part do you play in all this?

It isn't all everyone else's fault. Take a little responsibility for yourself, would you? Jesus, your bitching gives me a headache. If you got, collectively, everything you wanted, it still wouldn't stop the 7/11 at 103rd and Maplewood from being the only place you could find a marked squad in 022. In the meantime, I have to keep an eye on my Weber grill, because there aint nobody else to stop it from getting stolen.

5/07/2008 05:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Trib failed to mention the race of the offender in the 014th Dist double homicide last night. There was no doubt amongst anyone as to his race. Every flash was consistent ... etc.

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I've noticed that the media outlets do not report offenders race when they are black. Maybe now its just assumed.

5/07/2008 05:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why is it the ISP who don't do any real police work can have every Trooper issued a rifle and shotgun and us the real police cannot get either one? Guess you just have to look pretty to be equipped

5/06/2008 02:44:00 PM

You are a complete asshole. Try working alone and making the traffic stops that trropers do every day. Troopers encounter crime on expressways. In addition, they patrol county areas alone and assit cars are often ten or more minutes away. They are always backing up CPD and other agencies. I am soo tried of hearing young officers use the term "real police"! Compare the qualifications between the two departments. Troopers can pass power tests. CPD cannot find enough recruits to hire as they fail the power test. By the way looking pretty means pride in appearance. Have you looked in a mirror?

5/07/2008 06:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
why is it the ISP who don't do any real police work can have every Trooper issued a rifle and shotgun and us the real police cannot get either one? Guess you just have to look pretty to be equipped

5/06/2008 02:44:00 PM

Remember that the next time you are stopped on expressway or when you call for help and a trooper responds. Looking pretty is pride. Something you completely lack. WTF!

5/07/2008 06:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
where was phat phil . no phat phil st. jude

5/06/2008 11:03:00 PM

Looking at everything on this dept today i wish he was back at least he was the police at one time!

5/07/2008 07:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The cheap (for CPD) way to do it:

Publish a list of what must be covered in training. Publish a list of what rifles are acceptable. Officers who wish to obtain both on their own will be authorized to carry the rifle on duty.

That's how my department runs, and damn near all 120 of us have M-4's in the car.

Of course, doing it the way I suggest doesn't give a Daley nephew a sole-source contract, so I probably shouldn't have mentioned it.

5/07/2008 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your right 6:22am, he is an asshole. I travel frequently between Chicago & Galena and see Troopers making stops 10-99 on cars w/3-4 people. Then w/that traffic wizing by: they are the Police.
I believe a Trooper last year in a rural area ran into some meth thugs
and shot one of them who had a machine pistol.Those guys aint the Police: kiss my ass!!!!!!!!!!

5/07/2008 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Well I work in 021 and I am glad we have the U of C police. They have the carbines already and have had them for quite awhile. I will just call them, let them do their thing and write the paper after. After all I am just a secretary with a gun.

5/06/2008 09:53:00 AM

Nice moosh district,must be nice to have a phone call.

5/07/2008 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city will buy them used from military surplus for about $400 a piece. just like the ones that SWAT carries now.

5/06/2008 06:56:00 PM

Your figures are way off for that program,the guns are FREE,just the cost for shipping anf handling.

5/07/2008 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You will wish you hade that M-4 when the Dem's give the nomination to Hillary even if Obama has the popular vote. That bitch will not give up and now she is going to put the squeze on the uncommitted super delagates. She is going to get it and then you will see mass riots like the MLK riots and guess what no national guard to bail us out. God I hope I am on furlo and out of town with my family watching it on CNN.

5/07/2008 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city, IF they have any sense, will obtain military surplus M-16s from the LESO program. Cost runs about $25/weapon, and in most cases, the guns are new, unused, in the box. However, knowing the City, someone will get the contract as an intermediary for LESO, and add $500/gun in service and handling fees.

5/07/2008 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why is it the ISP who don't do any real police work can have every Trooper issued a rifle and shotgun and us the real police cannot get either one? Guess you just have to look pretty to be equipped

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whoever wrote this is a fucking asshole. They work alone and do a hard job well. That's been said before. My question is this-where do you work asshole? I'll bet the average ISP Trooper makes more stops a day than you do in a period. And wearing the uniform correctly is a matter of personal pride, as well as a job requirement. Take a ride down on the x-way and say that shit to their face. And get the chili stains off your shirt.

5/07/2008 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

https://pubweb.drms.dla.mil/cmis/Section1033/weapon_req.htm

5/08/2008 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
why is it the ISP who don't do any real police work can have every Trooper issued a rifle and shotgun and us the real police cannot get either one? Guess you just have to look pretty to be equipped

Whoever wrote this you must be the dumbest fucker known to mankind and that goes for SCC for even allowing it. Troopers have one of the hardest job in law enforcement. Back up could be ten to fifteen minutes away, when they pull over a car with four to six black dudes in a Buick Electra or 10 Mexicans in a Chevy Citations. And remember they roll 99. But you being a dumb ass wouldn't even know that. Some times I am so proud to be CPD until I hear a dumb ass disrespect fellow police officer. Sorry Troopers we have some dumb asses on this job.

5/07/2008 01:32:00 AM

Don't forget the white supremacists,driving their pickem-up trucks in rural areas.

5/13/2008 03:21:00 PM  

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