Next Meeting
We can't find the schedule someone posted in the comments, but if we recall it correctly, there's another "J-Fed Song and Dance Get Together" coming up Tuesday at the Academy and Wednesday at Lane? Who's got the list? In the meantime, we need to make sure those in attendance ask a few important follow up questions:
- What is the status of the TASERs Aunt Bea promised to check on? Please provide the UPS Tracking Number so officers can check on the status of the shipment as it moves toward town. By the way, if Aunt Bea doesn't show or doesn't have an answer, rest assured no one cared enough to find out.
- Monique says that every squad car will be outfitted with a rifle. We've received a number of communications that a vendor is being looked at to install rifle racks in every squad car. Have you backed off the attempt to lower the health care costs to the City by purposefully underarming the first responders under your command? And why is the range training people with M-16s instead of M-4s? Oh yeah, the Mayor hasn't even allowed the Department to purchase these weapons yet - our bad.
- As the Mayor's Office ordered Fleet to cancel an order for 187 new squad cars from Ford, would you care to comment on how we can't do our job if we can't get to our jobs safely.
- And as previously stated, thanks for releasing the "merit" list - now would you please define "merit"? We'd really like to know what to shoot for since we aren't related to anyone, we aren't owed anything from anyone, and we refuse to debase ourselves by sleeping with anyone.
And let's not worry about nonsense like traveling to promotional sites and J-Fed giving us a ride home and the contract. If you want to be promoted, you'll make sacrifices; if you want to get home, take a cab; if you want a contract, call the mayor, because J-Fed isn't authorized to negotiate diddley squat.
Labels: department issues, new super
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
90 Comments:
Good job by that pussy white shirt in 012 for calling off a vehicle pursuit on a armed robbery offender. And a big thanks to the dispatchers on zone 13 for not letting 002 or 021 know of the chase. If they would put that shit out maybe he would have been caught once he bailed from the car. A similar thing happened a couple of weeks ago at the JISC when no one on zone 13 had any idea that a copper from 007 was fighting a prisoner and he escaped until 15-20 minutes after the fact. My advice to everyone is switch over to the nieghboring zones yourself and give the heads up, apparently the dispatchers are too busy handing out those parkers to look after us.
today I signed something at work about the shakman decree that mentioned a list of those awarded compensation. it stated the list was made public to local news agencies. I conducted a web search with negative results. have you seen such a list of the 1,400 + winners?
SCC,
I may be wrong but if anti-gun Daley has Monique saying that every squad will soon be equipped with a rifle...Don't you think that Daley is worried about a terrorist attack?
It makes perfect sense. Daley is anti-gun but hires a Fed to run the dept. J-Fed tells him the truth that terrorism is coming. So The CPD gets heavy firearm power to combat the terrorists.
Am i the only one who feels this way. Terrorism is coming our way soon. Probably to our schools and shopping venues. And they will be armed with more that a 9mm.
Don't you understand that this is the real reason why Monique and Daley want these weapons in ous cars?
Am I a moron or what? Nobody else mentioned this reason else. It makes perfect sense to me.
Just think of simultaneously shootings in a mall or school on the same day and the bad guys got away.
The economy would fall.
Some what on the 12hour shift topic...
" Authorities want to know whether the officers' emotions over Liczbinski's death -- and their desire to apprehend the suspect who remains at large -- had a role in their actions.
Stress levels among officers on the street are "simply too high," and the department aims to eliminate 12-hour shifts, Ramsey said soon after the incident."
CNN: Mayor: Officers in taped beating will be fired
Do we really want this?
The meetings are in the daily bulletin.
Question for J-Fed:
What is the effective date for your resignation?
Just wondering?
portland oregon will be in rosemont for testing.
OFF TOPIC:
shavedlongcock posted a great article about the firemen's pension plan from Bancroft, CO.
It's the top story posted on his blog.
That city allows retirees to elect to take a one million dollar lump sum pay out for your pension.
If you read the article, you will find out why it is so much a better deal.
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just copy and paste to your browser.
Los Angeles ex-cop sentenced to 102years in raid case
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A former Los Angeles police officer who participated in home invasion robberies staged to look like police raids was sentenced Monday to 102 years in prison.
William Ferguson, 35, was convicted of participating in more than 40 phony raids from early 1999 to June 2001 at homes in working-class neighborhoods while he worked at the department's scandal-ridden Rampart Division.
In January, a federal jury convicted him of conspiracy to deprive people of their civil rights, conspiracy to possess marijuana and cocaine, violating the civil rights of others and using a firearm during a violent crime.
Ferguson's sentence was so severe because he was convicted of four firearms charges which carry a mandatory sentence of 82 years in prison.
U.S. District Judge Gary Allen Feess said that Congress passed such sentencing laws "because they don't trust people like me."
I'm good with all the above, but what's wrong with sleeping with someone?
I keed...
Off topic-Is it true that Merit Sergeant picks attending training will be required to wear sweats for the first 2 weeks???
Hey SCC, not sure what you drive but I just received my vehicle sticker renewal for my pick-up truck. $180.00 !!! what the fuck is with that shit????
No contract.No respect.No chance at promotion.The highest gas prices in the USA.Shitheads have rights.Illegals get taken care of instead of cops and veterans.We vote for just one political party.No rules ever apply here.Clout is the most important thing.Our taxes keep going upand WE TAKE IT! What kind of idiots are we?Time to leave
I hope to hell you guys don't end up with the Colt M4s. Damn twist rate in the barrel is too high.
Here is the reason we are training on M16's. (Source Wikipedia)
The M4 Carbine is a family of firearms tracing its lineage back to earlier carbine versions of the M16, all based on the original AR-15 made by ArmaLite. It is a shorter and lighter version of the M16A2 assault rifle, achieving 80% parts commonality with the M16A2.The M4 has selective fire options including semi-automatic and three-round burst (like the M16A2), while the M4A1 has a "full auto" option in place of the three-round burst.
Look at AMFN 082135
20 May 1900 hours Academy
21 May 1900 hours Morgan Park High School 1744 W Pryor
22 May 1900 hours Lane Tech 2501 W Addison
27 May 1900 hours Wright Junior College 4300 N Narragansett
Will the Merit Sgts be required to wear a Lavergne and Shirley style "M" on their uniform shirts???
I think I can define merit. The greek guy from Central Control Group received a meritorious promotion for locking up drinkers. So if your the phony prohibition police you'll get the pick.
Give the guy a break. At least he has the balls to go before a firing squad without a blindfold to meet the troops. I'm not a big fan of his, but keep it respectful.
that is all...
I hear that the only way the M-4's can fit in the car safely is with shorter barrels. Apparently CPD needs to drive to Kentucky and pick up the shorter barrels to retrofit what's coming and or here already.
Anonymous said...
Hey SCC, not sure what you drive but I just received my vehicle sticker renewal for my pick-up truck. $180.00 !!! what the fuck is with that shit????
5/20/2008 02:35:00 AM
And the suv's went from 90 to 120 guess old miguel (daleys new puppet) city clerk just does whatever he is ordered to do like a good dog! Why does the city clerk have an "investigative detail" the politcal alckeys who just write parkers but are paid 3X the tma rate? thanks miguel for screwing us again! What happened you have no detail why the extra $$$$? Now onto next meeting! How about something on the contract? canceled the order for new cars yea daley your deatil including your stretched lincoln type "L" and all the new cars you get for your guys ,3,000 miles they are put in rear of 51st street as spares! King richie you hate you police dept and it shows hope the indictment comes soon, you sent sorich away to cover your spineless ass your nothing more than a criminal who makes John Gotti look like a saint (RIP JOHN)!
How about at the meeting we get a time frame for the instituting of Jody's ideas, especially the 10 hr. work day. Talk IS cheap, how about some positive actions instead.
Fuck a twist-rate, Idiot.
To the guy looking for the Shakman patronage list...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-shakmanlist-htmlframe,0,2278169.htmlstory
$20,000.00 Aguinaga Richard
I have heard this guy should be in jail...what is the story behind that and why is he getting 20 large for being a Captain?
Isn't it only fitting that Abbate #2 (Callahan) was bite by a dog after what he did to his neighbor's dog? I hope the deceased pup is smiling in doggie heaven.
The Tribune posted a list of names and dollar amounts relative to Shakman awards...
Anonymous said...
Good job by that pussy white shirt in 012 for calling off a vehicle pursuit on a armed robbery offender. And a big thanks to the dispatchers on zone 13 for not letting 002 or 021 know of the chase. If they would put that shit out maybe he would have been caught once he bailed from the car. A similar thing happened a couple of weeks ago at the JISC when no one on zone 13 had any idea that a copper from 007 was fighting a prisoner and he escaped until 15-20 minutes after the fact. My advice to everyone is switch over to the nieghboring zones yourself and give the heads up, apparently the dispatchers are too busy handing out those parkers to look after us.
5/20/2008 12:17:00 AM
Thats what happens when you don't need an education to be a dispatcher. You can listen to most zones at night also and hear that some can barely speak understandable english.
All the merit Sergeants should be required to wear a big scarlet M under their Sergeant strips, and the ones who take the special classes where they are given the answers should wear a C. We don't want P.O. s looking out the side of their eyes at hard working, not connected Sergeant GONZALES instead of merit hack Sergeant GONZALEZ.
Who cares, just collect your check and answer your calls. Nothing more..
Do you people agree with these meetings?
What kind of backward universe do all of you live in?
What kind of leadership is this?
He is the boss. He should be telling you what is going to happen with manpower, equipment, assignments, and discipline.
You should not be telling him that you want a new taser or a new gun. You should not be telling him that you are happy or sad.
He should be talking. We should be listening.
There are only a very few appropriate questions:
Are assignments/units going to be created or eliminated in the near future?
What are the requirements to obtain one of these assignments?
What promotional exams be given in the near future?
What equipment changes can we expect in the near future?
Are there changes in the disciplinary code?
The meeting should last less than 30 minutes.
Keep a list of all the things you want in your head. Because that's where it belongs. Nobody else cares what you want.
12:21 am I bet you sit home watching war movies and have black waters web site on your favorites. If terrorists did hit it would be something fast ie: bombing - chem or biological. I know that school in checneya/spelling is what you are getting all excited about very different dynamic. Terroists may bomb a school here but taking one hostage is not probable. I know you are an expert because of the great tara training. After I went to tara the only thing I got was something useless about arab names and to shoot in the head any homeless mental I see sweating and mumbling down town.
"And a big thanks to the dispatchers on zone 13 for not letting 002 or 021 know of the chase."
Yep, we got a written message via the PDT after the chase was over (no mention of offender bailing from car) as I was sitting in the hole with my feet up doing nothing as JFED has temporarily made me do nothing. This would have gotten me out of the hole though. It meets one of the requirements for leaving the hole -- Help a fellow officer, answer a dispatch call, bathroom break, two personals, lunch, checkoff.
For those people actually still doing traffic/street stops for no purpose other than to just do it (unless u know 100 percent there is a BAD BAD guy in there -- like the armed robbery offender from 12), get a clue and relax.
Be the police when u need to. Don't go stopping a car hoping they have something under the seat. We are three months into a three-year vacation. See, this JFED thing isn't that bad, just adapt folks. Bring reading materials and a DVD.
Good move by Mr. Jody to release the names of the merit Sergeants NOW A GREAT move would be to release the names of all merit promotions from the past. It should also be told if the merit person took both parts of the exam or only the pass / fail part.
What was the supervisors name in o12.
It's amazing , pathetic & just plain sad,that 98% of the Posters are more concerned whether or not they get a Rifle as a opposed to more pertinent issues.Namely a Contract with reduced Medical contributions, a reduced work week& a residency rule rescinded. GUESS MACHINEGUNS TRUMP THE ISSUES THAT REALLY MATTER??
Am I a moron or what? Nobody else mentioned this reason else. It makes perfect sense to me.
A paranoid moron at that. Go spew your paranoia to some shrink somewhere. Just cause he's a fed doesn't mean he has inside terrorism knowledge, and why would they have withheld that info until we had an "insider", J-Fed. He's not that special. Don't give him that much credit.
fax message # 082135. clear homepage "AMFN fax messages" may 2008
Next Meeting May 20 @ 1900 hrs CPD Academy
21 May @ 1900 hrs. Morgan Park High School
22 May @ 1900 hrs. Lane Tech High School
27 May @ 1900 hrs. Wright Junion College
Stay Thirsty my Friends
STOP asking the dumb ass questions at this thing and lets get to the points! Until the general public and brass in this city stop trying to fuck coppers, we will continue to do NOTHING> Fact is that arrests are down 9,000 from this time last yr, check it out! The reason JFED is having these meetings isnt to make us happy, its because HE HAS TO! He doesnt know what else to do at this point. The mayor and brass should be thanking the weather gods that its still cold outside, once 80s and 90s come, its going to be a looong, hot violent summer! You dont want to pay us or back us up, well it seems guys are finally learning to say FUCK YOU to the city!
I think we deserve to know why J-Fed has to wear the uniform that over 500 Chicago Police Officers died wearing. I spent 8 months in the academy to wear that. He is not a sworn law enfrocement officer in Illinois. He is a cilivian. There are other cilivians in the command staff, do they get to wear a uniform also? Where is the line drawn?
When will this WEIS-el expound in writing on the CPD's version of "MERIT" that is consistent with that found in any standard dictionary?
Unless and until he does so, "MERIT" is a flagrantly obvious Chicago euphemism for unconscionable CLOUT and corruption.
Yet, he keeps ranting on his pretentious "core values" acronym of P-O-L-I-C-E: Professionalism, Obligation, Leadership, Integrity, Courage and Excellence. Bullshit!
This hypocrite is as phony as a $3 bill. He "talks the talk" but adamantly refuses to "walk the walk".
And in his unbridled arrogance, he actually expects to earn credibility with the rank and file. Damn, this condescending prick must really think you're as dumb as a box of rocks.
Then again, what do you expect from the million dollar puppet of the antichrist himself?
Regarding 12-hour days: Ramsey needs a scapegoat. An inanimate thing like a schedule looks a lot easier than explaining to the general public that police work is not always pretty. He's a politician, plain and simple. Find a guy working 12's who doesn't love it-I know about a hundred with that schedule from a past department, and they all love it.
Jody,
Did you ever follow an order from a superior knowing it to be wrong?
Department members can utilize the CLEAR system to report concerns with voice radios or Portable Data Terminals (PDTs) related to battery problems, voice radio or PDT coverage issues, etc. From the main CPD Intranet site, click Radio/ PDT Issues (Left side of screen). Enter your concern, your CLEAR PC number, password, and click Submit. Your comments will be sent to the appropriate personnel within the Bureau of Administrative Services.
Note: This does not replace the requirement to report problems via existing channels. Contact the CPD Help Desk at (312) 745-5500 Option 1 for assistance.
whats going on in 025 with commander Avilla? is he just trying to kill morale that existed under Rivera? was he a jag like this in 014? is it true he is going to be the new area five deputy chief like he's telling his people that he is bringing in from 014 and lastly is it true that he is related to the goovernor explaining his two merit promotions?
When J-Fed comes to Morgan Park H.S. to meet with the Mount Greenwood and Beverly po's he will be pleasantly surprised to see some truly intelligent beings.
Everyone knows that the coppers living in 022 are without question the REAL POLICE. They will put him to the test and make CPD look good. There will be no jackasses like Hegewische girl and party girl Julie from 001. Mapquest not needed. You'll see....
Here are a couple of questions.
How many are you planning on taking off of the current sgt's list?
How often to you anticipate testing for a sgt's exam?
Good job by that pussy white shirt in 012 for calling off a vehicle pursuit on a armed robbery offender. And a big thanks to the dispatchers on zone 13 for not letting 002 or 021 know of the chase. If they would put that shit out maybe he would have been caught once he bailed from the car. A similar thing happened a couple of weeks ago at the JISC when no one on zone 13 had any idea that a copper from 007 was fighting a prisoner and he escaped until 15-20 minutes after the fact. My advice to everyone is switch over to the nieghboring zones yourself and give the heads up, apparently the dispatchers are too busy handing out those parkers to look after us.
STFU, unless its shots fired at the police or copper shot, it gets terminated, period. When will you guys figure it out, they don't want policework anymore, and chases are a thing of the past. The Sgt. made the right call, som etimes you people need to be saved from yourselves.
The other zones should get a heads up for officer safety if nothing else. Now STFU, but stay safe while doing so...
Thank you, siolly questions are embarrasing. Show a little self respect and think before you ask. All we do is enforv=ce the stereotype of idiots.
I know police who have left this job and never spoken to family members again over these issues. Most of the cops who have lost family. I say are better.
it is said but i have not confirmed that 95 officers received monetary awards from the 12 million of the set aside money by daley. I know one officer who was on the list that received 12,500 the list was posted in the trib archives i believe you can access it there. The officer i know who received the 12500 approached flop for help and was told in effect don't waste your time good thin g he didn't take the lawyers advice. is it not amazing flop did not pi k up this story but then again why rock the boat 55 people did not join the class and it remains to be seen what action they will take
wharej 603
Has anyone read Stella in the City today? Is it just me or do the first four paragraphs sound like she is talking to a five year old.
Boys and girls, there was a meeting, and it was heated and this is why and this is what is going to happen and can't we all just get along?
Who does she think her audience is? My God. No wonder they moved her to the back of the paper near the obituaries.
Actually, the Times seems to be alternating Sneed and Stella near the death notices. Wonder what that means?
5/20/2008 12:21:00 AM
Up your Lithim and go take a nap.
No contract.No respect.No chance at promotion.The highest gas prices in the USA.Shitheads have rights.Illegals get taken care of instead of cops and veterans.We vote for just one political party.No rules ever apply here.Clout is the most important thing.Our taxes keep going upand WE TAKE IT! What kind of idiots are we?Time to leave
5/20/2008 05:07:00 AM
THAT should be on the front page of the paper. Their circulation would go through the roof. Everyday chumps like you and me would say "FINALLY" someone understands.
Blogger NorthSide said...
This hypocrite is as phony as a $3 bill . . . this condescending prick must really think you're as dumb as a box of rocks. . . Then again, what do you expect from the million dollar puppet of the antichrist himself?
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Northern, please do not attempt to re-register your handguns. You are crazzzzzzzzzzzzy!
If you try to register them, me and Mayor Daley will send a special team with former Superintendent MARTIN to lock you up again.
"Here are a couple of questions.
How many are you planning on taking off of the current sgt's list?"
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No one in command will EVER state how many they will take off a list again.
This happened with the 1993 sergeant's test. Someone high up went on record and stated "500 sergeants" would be made. Then they only went up to about "430" on the list. GUESS WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?????? Lawsuit ! ! ! !
With the 1998 test they went up to about 530 on the list; with the merit SUCKASSES they made over 700 from that exam. (Classes made in August 1998, 1999, 2000 and June 2001)
Perhaps someone knows how many they made off the 2002 sergeants exam?
"Keep a list of all the things you want in your head. Because that's where it belongs. Nobody else cares what you want.
5/20/2008 09:47:00 AM"
Keep that list of all your thoughts in your head. Because that's where they belong. Nobody else cares what you think.
NYPD just got a 33% raise for recruits and 10% for patrolmen.
Seattle got 25%.
Why is the FOP only asking for 5% which means we'll be lucky if we get what 2%
http://www.policelink.com/news/24723-nypd-recruits-get-33-pay-raise-patrolmen-get-10-raise
http://www.policelink.com/news/24723-nypd-recruits-get-33-pay-raise-patrolmen-get-10-raise
today I signed something at work about the shakman decree that mentioned a list of those awarded compensation. it stated the list was made public to local news agencies. I conducted a web search with negative results. have you seen such a list of the 1,400 + winners?
5/20/2008 12:18:00 AM
Am I still eligible to apply for the Shakman money?
I am going to ask about the discipline issue which is severely affecting morale and which everyone is worried about.
There is some progress occurring with J-Fed. THe BS Behavior Alert nonsense is ceasing and the Rule 14 witch hunt needs to cease. There are several hundred PO's who could get jammed or lose their jobs from this.
Please wakeup people!!!
Long Live SOS!!!
Let the real police fight the coward police's battles all the time,everytime...
I am getting tired of this BS and this no-balls department.
JUSTICE FOR THE POLEECE!!!
SCC,
CPD IS DOWN 500+ GUNS FOR THE YEAR...
LONG LIVE SOS!!!
KEEP FIRING US ON TRUMPED UP BS ALLEGATIONS AND STRIPPING US,WAY TO GO....
BLINDERS ON EVERYONE.
My advice to everyone is switch over to the nieghboring zones yourself and give the heads up, apparently the dispatchers are too busy handing out those parkers to look after us.
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Agree. The dispatching has been really poor lately. You need to help others and help yourself. Don't hesitate to take responsibility.
"Actually, the Times seems to be alternating Sneed and Stella near the death notices. Wonder what that means?
5/20/2008 05:17:00 PM"
They both stink like rotting corpses.
Monique says that every squad car will be outfitted with a rifle. We've received a number of communications that a vendor is being looked at to install rifle racks in every squad car. Have you backed off the attempt to lower the health care costs to the City by purposefully underarming the first responders under your command? And why is the range training people with M-16s instead of M-4s?
SCC what you say is confusing. The City is installing rifle racks in vehicles....you go on to say the City is underarming first responders instead of lowering health care costs. If they are putting racks in all the vehicles how is that underarming us? Also the fact that they are training guys w/ m16's instead of M4's is no big deal. The 16's are here and ready to use, why not get a jump on it. Not trying to insult you here but do you know the difference between the two? There are plenty of reasons to get pissed off at the City. Lets stay focused on the real issues and forget minor ones like that.
Good job by that pussy white shirt in 012 for calling off a vehicle pursuit on a armed robbery offender. And a big thanks to the dispatchers on zone 13 for not letting 002 or 021 know of the chase. If they would put that shit out maybe he would have been caught once he bailed from the car. A similar thing happened a couple of weeks ago at the JISC when no one on zone 13 had any idea that a copper from 007 was fighting a prisoner and he escaped until 15-20 minutes after the fact. My advice to everyone is switch over to the nieghboring zones yourself and give the heads up, apparently the dispatchers are too busy handing out those parkers to look after us.
5/20/2008 12:17:00 AM
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You're absolutely right. The dispatchers have been awful lately. I work in 003. Which is on a zone itself. There was a shots fired call at 75/Colfax and we had no clue. (our border is 75th st for 004 and 006). And almost simultaneously, 007 was chasing a car for shots fired into our district and we had no clue.
This isn't the first time shots fired or something of significance has happened on our borders and we were not notified. This isn't the first time someone was chased into our district and we weren't notified.
These dispatchers have to communicate with each other somehow.
Don't assume it was the Sgt. in 012 that called off the pursuit. It was the Captain. The Sgt and Lt. let it go. The Capt. called it off.If you were listening you would have heard that it was 1299. He is a new Capt. recently out of Headquarters. Different view of the world.
It was a slap at J-Fed, attempting to lower health care costs by attrition. Underarming first responders is going to get someone killed. Our sentence was a bit awkward. Sorry about that.
Monique is talking out her ass again and sending mixed messages. That's on her.
We're big believers in performance being directly related to training. When the shit hits the fan, you revert to training, so you should train with what you end up using. Yes, the M16 and M4 are built on almost identical platforms with the M4 being shorter and only good out to a few hundred meters. That's why you should train with what you use - it might make a difference. It also shows the City continues to shortchange training.
1:06pm Answer to questions RE: Avila: YES, YES, & YES good to have him in LAPA West (025)
hey 12:00pm,i didnt know our academy was 8 months long,maybe you couldnt pass the firearms course.
off topic: heard from a chicago hts po. that he is going to the pheonix area, they are taking his years here and transfering them there. and that the area is looking for 250 po's. experience is 1st on the list.
Response to here are a couple of questions....The reason why there was a law suit on the 1993 Sgt.'s exam....They said they were going to 500. They got to 410....and the last 90 P.O;s.. Little richie decided that there were not enough minotities in the last 90 so he decided to rip the list down even though the dept was still short Sgt's.....So then they gave another test.
Signed 1 of the last 90....
Any truth to the rumor coming out of the 25th District Indian Burial Ground that two of their officers got stripped by IAD? Supposedly they were involved in taking kickbacks from tow truck drivers for towing vehicles from accidents. Also, rumor has it that the FBI is investigating this matter too. Any truth to it coppers from the 25th district??????
I went to terra training last week. The main trainer said in passing that if an attack happened CPD would be manning roadblocks through out the city with army reservists armed with a m-16 and 20 shot clip. Fuck that, that reservist will be on his way to Iran and we will be manning those road blocks with our m-4's.
I hope to hell you guys don't end up with the Colt M4s. Damn twist rate in the barrel is too high.
The military specification is for one turn in seven inches. That will stabilize everything suitable for duty use, meaning everything that won't overpenetrate and won't fragment before it penetrates. One in nine inches works pretty well, but won't always stabilize the heavy rounds like the 75-grain TAP that lots of PD's use, or the 77grain Mk-262 which is probably the best thing going in Iraq.
As for the range difference between the M-4 and M-16...not enough to matter. The longest shot fired by a cop in the US on record was 186 yards. Either rifle, with proper ammunition and without a loose nut behind the trigger, will work just fine. I like the M-4 because it's a little easier to maneuver on building searches, but I just switched to a clone of the Mk18 (AR15 with 10.5-inch barrel, probably not legal in Illinois but perfectly okay where I live) and like that even better.
According to Mark Donahue at FOP meeting last night, Jody plans on buying thousands of SURPLUS M4's from government for $47 each. Yes, that was $47 each.
Than the Department will pay someone (connected? with clout? Daley's son, cousin, nephew) approx $700 to "refurbish" the junk, er, surplus weapons.
Then, after we pass the power test we can carry the junk, er, surplus weapons. No word if we will be allowed to buy new quality weapons ourselves. I would buy a new one and so would many others.
In typical Chicago Police Department fashion this is sounding like another CPD cluster fuck. Cheapskate their way through buying the weapons and what can we expect on training? The usual rush job of shit training. Anyone in the military , expecially the US Marines, knows you need to TRAIN, TRAIN, TRAIN to use a weapon like this well.
The usual and customary CPD way of train-once-in-a-lifetime will not cut it. Expect mistakes, accidental discharges, wild rounds etc. The US Marines train constantly, the CPD trains almost never. The M4 is not something that can be handed out and then skimp on the training.
I conducted a web search with negative results. have you seen such a list of the 1,400 + winners?
Here you go....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/
chi-shakmanlist-htmlframe,0,6457453.htmlstory
Don't you think that Daley is worried about a terrorist attack?
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Only if it would negatively effect his corrupt system.
I think it was 362 sgts. promoted from the 2002 test which does not include merit picks.
The M4 is not something that can be handed out and then skimp on the training.
5/21/2008 06:56:00 AM
So is your brain....I suggest you not accept one if those are your expectation.
...I went to terra training last week...
You spent a whole week there and didn't pick up the spelling of TARA?
"5/21/2008 06:56:00 AM"
It's the 'spray & pray' technique, just like with the mayor's spittle.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Any truth to the rumor coming out of the 25th District Indian Burial Ground that two of their officers got stripped by IAD? Supposedly they were involved in taking kickbacks from tow truck drivers for towing vehicles from accidents. Also, rumor has it that the FBI is investigating this matter too. Any truth to it coppers from the 25th district??????
5/21/2008 01:22:00 AM
Yes, it is true. I work in 025 and in roll call the Captain announced it. So indeed it is official. And yes, the FBI is investigating. God only knows if there will be federal charges against those two highly decorated officers. I wish them the best. J-Fed is not fooling around folks. Any infraction, and he will refer you to his buddies in the FBI and then the U.S. Justice Department. Good luck and stay safe out there and answer your calls for service.
whats going on in 025 with commander Avilla? is he just trying to kill morale that existed under Rivera? was he a jag like this in 014? is it true he is going to be the new area five deputy chief like he's telling his people that he is bringing in from 014 and lastly is it true that he is related to the goovernor explaining his two merit promotions?
5/20/2008 01:06:00 PM
Acually THREE Merit promotions.
Brother in law of Blagoavich
When J-Fed comes to Morgan Park H.S. to meet with the Mount Greenwood and Beverly po's he will be pleasantly surprised to see some truly intelligent beings.
Everyone knows that the coppers living in 022 are without question the REAL POLICE. They will put him to the test and make CPD look good. There will be no jackasses like Hegewische girl and party girl Julie from 001. Mapquest not needed. You'll see....
5/20/2008 02:18:00 PM
all the hillrods with nascar wear closing their questions with get'r done.
hey 12:00pm,i didnt know our academy was 8 months long,maybe you couldnt pass the firearms course.
5/20/2008 11:35:00 PM
Hey dumb ass my class was in that shit hole for 8 1/2 months due to the stuttering pricks schedule. Obviously his stupid friends are more important than graduating a hundred PPOs so they can hit the streets. Now here's your prize a nice cup of STFU ass hat.
WTF? Richie Aguinaga? Guy DeSalvo? Sheila "butterball" Magnes? All those shakman payouts?
To these people? Excuse me while I throw up!
"Don't assume it was the Sgt. in 012 that called off the pursuit. It was the Captain. The Sgt and Lt. let it go. The Capt. called it off.If you were listening you would have heard that it was 1299. He is a new Capt. recently out of Headquarters. Different view of the world."
Capt. Gibson is a great guy. You guys in 012 are furtunate to have him; you also have a very smart Cmdr. That being said, chases get called off every day, and for a variety of reasons. It's not just your head on the chopping block when those things go bad, and they frequently do, so don't knock the white shirts for protecting themselves from a potential clusterfuck, bad chases travel uphill when people are injured or killed on the CPD, and I don't know too many blue shirts who would be willing to put their homes, their livelihood and their families at the mercy of a civil jury. That being said, I like getting the bad guy just as much as most any working copper out there, but I also know where my main allegiance lies. Family first.
I have a Taser. I work in a mid size city in Massachusetts. It is the greatest invention ever in police work.
I pull it out and the assholes hit the deck. Most are less scared of the gun than the taser.
They should be geving them to allof you tomorrow.
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