Alleviating Shortages
One of the more observant comments we've seen lately. The entire comment is in the post titled "Changes in Duty Status at 6/28/2008 10:27:00 AM. Here's the money paragraphs:
- [...] As far as assigning L/D people to the desk and pushing the 6 extra people to the street is OK with me. My roll call is empty but the parking lot is full with cars from the CAPS office that has three times the authorized strength! If Jody put out an order that W/C’s will be the subject of a CR# if they sign A&As that show people on the street that are actually working upstairs we could man at least 7 more cars on days alone! Plus another 5 to 6 on the desk!
J-Fed should order a fire drill next week at HQ and make all the people stand in the parking lot by rank. He will see that there are way to many young Sgt.s in that building. In the army we had one Sgt for every eight grunts. You have one Sgt for every three grunts. Then have all the P.O.s and Sgt.s with revolvers go back into the building. I think he will see that the building has way too many young females, most who are related by birth or marriage to your command staff! That’s your answer Jody. Send everyone with less than 15 yrs. back to patrol!
You could start with your own office boss. Yes you should pick your own staff. But how many of your full duty people could be replaced by L/D IOD officers? How many of your own staff have full duty family members on the job and and not working in the field? Before you rain on everyone else you could put your own house in order. Lead by example sir. But I’ll bet you are being kept in the dark by your own staff or your exempts about those little secrets. [...]
1977 revolver police!
It'd get us at least fifteen bodies per district where we work. The trouble would then be that we have no cars available for them to drive anyway.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 1:03 AM
131 Comments:
OT:
What is going on with our time due situation/lawsuit??
I work in a north side district where the captain controls the "time due book." So you bring your slip into his office, he takes out the book and tells you "no, that day is no good." He never actually writes the denial on the slip. Should we start demanding that he writes denied on there and then also document the reason? Does this seem like a fair and reasonable request?
I'm just so sick of him denying MY time due that i earned from overtime, or going to court on my rdo's, getting up early, etc..
Any info/help from other bosses? FOP?
Never heard of anyone splitting a paper target with an automatic. I did it on my 3rd shot with my trusty old wheelgun.
Get it rightttttt..... Grunts are MARINES......................Not Army... It makes a difference...believe me...............
This comment hit right on the button. There are so many CAPS officers and non essential personel everywhere! No I'm not a hater, I was a CAPS officer at one point in my career and yes a lot of useless manpower. I got so upset with that politcal ass kissing position that I didn't know why I was even carrying a gun. Everyday I showed up I questioned why I was even the police. NO one that works inside in an office, unless they are LD or Handicapped should be filling a desk job! Those positions should first and foremost filled by officers that need them and are unable to work the street.
Many of our so-called limited duty police officers are on limited duty for false reasons.
They find a doctor to give them a slip stating they cannot work the street when for physical reasons when they really just want an inside position because they are lazy or fearful of the work.
The Department should crack down on this bullshit.
Yeah, clean house in specialized units, public trans, erps, asset fort, TRU, etc.,,,,,,,,less than 15yrs back to the streets!!!!!!!!!
Ah, quit complaining and take your flomax, ya weak-streamer.
1977 revolver police. U are an idiot who probably spends more time bitching then working. Have fun the rest of your career telling these ppos how great you used to be.
"...I work in a north side district...I'm so sick of him denying MY time due...Any help?..."
Come to the south side. You'll be so damn busy you'll forget about taking time off.
OT:
What is going on with our time due situation/lawsuit??
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Fed-Judge ordered the city to design a new time due slip that shows if you are asking for FLSA hours. He also told the city that he was inclined to make all time on the books FLSA hours because the time keeping is so erratic . City waited to the last moment before they had to issue new time due slips and then filed their appeal. Appellate Court thou is fast tracking the case which is being held this fall.
Could the city be going after the L/D people as retribution for FLSA? The FLSA win is bigger to the average P.O. than L/D status in the shot term. The FLSA basically only applies to patrol and the d-units that can have PO’s switch between Units. The average beat cop will not work for a bomb tech of a marine unit diver.
Hell, it should be 15 years of street duty before you get promoted!
It's amazing that the beat people always get the shaft.
Why is it that if I go over on lunch I get admonished?
Yet, when I'm called in to the desk and sent on a lunch run -station assingment- there are no repercusions if it takes an hour or more. It's all a farce.
How about financial crimes unit?That seems to be pretty legit outfit in this day and age considering all the I.D.theft,mortgage fraud,etc.I'm not sayin'I'm just sayin.'
this town was built on clout and that will not change just because some former G man is in the top spot.
GET REAL PEOPLE !
Excellent comments. besides 35th, Weiss should review A&A sheets for specialized units. Positions budgeted for civilian employees are filled by full duty officers. Hire civilians and reassign those officers to street duties. Look at every unit budget. Easy to determine. Use LD if necessary to release a full duty officer for street duty. Brand new officers just of probation, on second watch assigned to radio room. Unbelievable. Use veterans or LD. I accept legitimate LD claims but many are abusing the system. lack of effective management.
Along time ago soldiers were called grunts.
My balls itch. Can I get a reporter to scratch them for me?
Thank you.
You're sending Mary over? No. No thank you. I'll scratch them myself.
You nailed it when you said the aprking lot is full and your roll call is empty,,HOW TRUE...
HQ is just like the post office. One superviser for indian.
Does everyone have at least one "cute little girl" working inside that the boss protects? Lets start throwing the "sandbags" over the side so we can get more man/woman power! Jody has no clue because it takes him all day to cash his check! 300+k is some serious money! How about paying for coffeee and donuts once a month for the street police JW? I can get you half off at my Dunky Ds! (Free for me)!
Never heard of anyone splitting a paper target with an automatic. I did it on my 3rd shot with my trusty old wheelgun.
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I did it. Mind over machine. You control your machine.
I also split a guys head once with my Baton too. Shampoo Baby!
Thank you Jack M. and Don E.!!
See Mike at 35th street. He's L/D from a GSW. Doesn't stop him from being the real police when the situation calls for it.
sounds good 2 me!
can any one find out what the median time on the job is?
yes i know their would be for a fact no cars for anyone. unless you send some of these poor new guys to mids for even out the manpower. but most won't b/c all the bosses fall in love with these new worthless female officers.
Posted: Sunday, 29 June 2008 8:30AM
Chicago Fire Investigator Shot
WBBM NewsRadio 780 Reporting
CHICAGO -- An 18-year veteran of the fire department has been shot while responding to a call. The male, in his 40s, was hit once, in the left side below his rib cage.
He has had successful surgery at Northwestern Memorial Hospital,. He is in “stable” condition.
The fire was reported around 3:30 this morning responded to the 2900 block of E. 80th St. The department had called the fire investigations unit to scene. An accelerant was used in fire. It was during the investigation that shots were fired. The victim works in the investigations unit.
At this time, it is not known why he was shot or who shot him or even if the bullets were intended for the firefighter.
The firefighter was taken in serious condition to Fire Media Affairs Asst. Director Eve Rodriguez said.
The firefighter, who works in the Office of Fire Investigations, responded to the block of East 80th Street about 3:30 for a working fire, Rodriguez said.
I agree, I would give up my spot for legit L/d officer anytime..sure its warm in the winter and cool in the summer and we eat well but if a L/D guy needed a spot Id go back to hiding in plain site. Ill be a sheepdog until the city sees what it has done to this once great dept. which means Ill see you all at my retirement dinner..LIFM "you need a reciept for that"
I recall during the 1968 King riots a Chicago fireman was shot in the leg.
Marines.........Grunts
Army............GI's
Navy............Swabies
Air Force.......Fly Boys
Coast Guard.....Coasties
Police Officers..MF'n Dogasses
MR 1977, you really nailed the truth regarding Ivory tower at 35th & Michigan and the districts. Been a Sgt for more than 20 years, had chance to work different units and really if we are 13,000 or 8,000 on payroll but you make up special units and assign 6,000 plus to those,then put under 3,000 f/d in uniform in patrol assigned to districts, then see half of all day assignments or more working desk jobs inside even at district level you can see clearly why less officers hit the streets than hit the desks. Last week our early roll calls averaged 5-7 officers and 6-8 late,,,never have enough officers to work wkends in districts when only the primary cars can be filled since the inside house mouses only work 5days with split or full wkends off, how much longer can this con game carry on, now even the old timers in patrol are dropping the old school work ethic and enforcement is minimal and selective except emergency calls by 95% of those left in patrol to do it all and their reward is to be told repeatedly there aren't enough people working to get time due! Ironic twist that. So the only guys/gals who get hassled are the ones that work six days in a roll and that goes ditto for sgts. I believe I speak for all real patrol officers who still work the street when I say why don't you do the fire drill at 35th Street and try 1977 s idea. Damn good idea even just for a giant belly laugh.
Anonymous said...
Get it rightttttt..... Grunts are MARINES......................Not Army... It makes a difference...believe me...............
6/29/2008 03:25:00 AM
I beg to differ.
"Grunt" is a slang term used to describe US Army Infantrymen.
A "Grunt" is the person who does the dirty work, and does it without any of the luxuries afforded to other units in the Army. Things like a jeep/track vehicle/humvee, etc.
Grunts "walk" to work if you will, and they carry their tools and gear on their back and in their ruck sacks.
Sounds like several bosses are still keeping their Harams down at H.Q. If those desk dollys look good, and are hooked up with a boss, they'll never get put in a rough district anyway. They are not the real police and the Dept. knows it, so they will just keep the same tired old men and women without clout out there in the trenches until retirement, or death. In the meantime, the married bosses and their side squeezes carry on as usual, and the desk dollys play the game because they're afraid to be the real police, so they stay armed secretaries and mistresses.
Nobody with under 10 yrs. should be doing ANYTHING but Patrol. Back to the Districts, you pups and kittys.
Actually there are relatively few people collecting duty disability. Years ago the FOP fought with the city to liberalize the program and allow more officers to receive Duty disability. Again, the money does NOT come from the pension fund. It only passes through them. I guess I don't understand this attitude that po's on dd are faking. It seems like you are ready to give up this benefit in order to prevent someone else from getting it. I hope that you never get injured on duty but if you do you will be glad for dd.
I would think that POs would be yelling for more money for disabled POs. Because of people like you the FOP has stopped fighting for increased benefits for dd. Check out the contract proposals - nothing for disabled POs. Check out the legislative agenda - nothing for disabled POs. It sounds like you think disabled POs have it made and you don't like it. We don't have it made. I would be much happier to be back at work. I bet you're mad that handicapped people get the parking spaces closest to the building too. Envy is an ugly thing and in this case it's particularly misplaced.
Well said I have told these softballs, The same thing time and again yet they don't understand. And yet have no shame.
everybody in patrol wants fair play...but you knew this job wasnt fair going in.plus...too many of us fight and whine over the scraps in each district.you have connected kids going to tac and gangs that never made a good pinch or have never heard of 26th and cal. oh,they have court there? these same kids, that cant tie their shoes, all score at the top of the dicks exams? hmmmmmmm makes you wonder.then you have the tit and ass jigglers. they put on a show for the district commanders and all end up in the front office or in caps. all seasoned veteren police just off their ppo status. put the juice people and jigglers back into the mix. instead of asking us to do MORE...ask THEM to start doing a little. but hey...i know the game...the 1st and 16th bottom line
At the medical section you have a p.o. who is a registered nurse to be your case manager. I can sort of see the reasoning with this position. The one that totally blows me away is the full duty p.o. usually a female that makes the appointment with a doctor. Why cant the case officer make that appointment for you and why do you have to wait for minutes to see that second p.o. in my eyes another cushy job for p.o.'s that want police pay but not the dangerous risks that come along with the title. A total waste of an able body to work the streets.
Sorry to say this but I truly believe that inside people who are not responding to jobs, affecting arrests, getting cr #'s, going to court, sued, etc... should not be making the same pay as a street p.o. That is the only way you are going to clear out all the house mouses and dollies. You have all these armed secretaries making good money and telling everyone they are the police when they aren't. D1, D2, D3, pay, etc... its time for a pay grade for a FULL DUTY house mouse who works inside of their on free choice and not because of LD status.
Why is there administrative staff for each small unit? Put the smaller units together and you will free up many people from administrative duties.
Get it rightttttt..... Grunts are MARINES......................Not Army... It makes a difference...believe me...............
6/29/2008 03:25:00 AM
GRUNTS ARE ARMY ASSHAT. JARHEADS are marines. You embarass yourself.
Why should anyone believe you?? You're wrong!!
Inside officers in their defense are working police. The department regulate and stays inside.
Get personnel from all the specialized units, all those prima-Donas should be working the streets along with the Beat Officers.
Caps personnel in the districts are working just as hard as anybody and working the streets. These officers help me and my partner many times with various problems and concerns. My job as a detective consists in dealing with the public and these guys anything we needed they accomodated. I cannot say anything bad about them, someone has to do these jobs, probably the officer who worked Capsgot dumped and now has a hard on, well dude don't whine like a little bitch and you are lucky you got a job, where are you now dude?. Who do you think deals with the public, when the police act like gangster and your Finnighans, Abate etc, working coppers, yeah right stuck it in our behind.
Should we start demanding that he writes denied on there and then also document the reason?
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LOL - yeah, demand it...that'll work.
The first day I walked into a station the desk crew was either had solid gray hair or was bald, but they had one thing in common!!
Salty or Bad Attitudes
Usually both....miss those days
OFF TOPIC
Best wishes and a speedy recovery to the Fireman who was shot while investigating a fire in 004.
Grunts are typically Infantry men, or anyone who operates neck deep in shit to fulfill the mission. Not just Marines. Rangers Lead the Way.
I almost totally agree, however, alot of those revolver police have also always been inside and taken care of, especially those at HQ. We have people in caps with only 3 and 4 years on, and they have been in caps for 2 of their years on. That should be the spots for the legit light dutys. I don't begrudge anyone light duty, but it is a fact some of them are bullshit. Again this issue has been discussed, on this blog, a few years ago. I know of someone who is l/d, supposedly for a back injury, but she managed to have a baby and return to her light duty spot, this makes me believe that back injury can't be all that bad. That is just one example, I bet everyone knows many more.
Granted, the w/c gets to pick their w/sec., but WTF is up with some of them picking 3 year eye candy? When I came on well over 20 years ago, the w/sec's. were all senior officers, as was most of the desk crews and the front office spots, including the district secretary.
Who really wants to work with any of these lazy asses. I know I sure don't I'll take getting denied before working with a bunch of lazy no good empty uniforms. I did it before and it makes for a long dangerous day. Let them stay where they are at as over paid secretarys.
20 years on the job and was never lucky enough to be in a unit or inside job. But I still go to work each and every day "to work." I can't undrstand why people with only a couple of years on the job are on the desk or some other inside compacity. I say "put all of them on the street."
And to the original poster, you don't know shit about the contract or management's rights, dope.
The purpose what you call the "authorized" strength is clearly spelled out in the contract, you just assume it means what you want it to mean. What it DOES mean in FACT is the following:
a total of (7) spots in community policing are EXEMPT from the bidding process and are NOT counted as either BID or MANAGEMENT. This means (7) community policing offers are EXTRA management discretion bodies to use as they see fit without being required to hold them in a management or bid position, stupid.
In terms of how many CAPS people there are working in your particular district, only (7) of those people are EXEMPT from the bidding process, the rest are required to hold a bid or management position.
And as for what you think this portion of the contract means, I point out you are dead wrong. Management can place as many people working in the CAPS office as they wish, only (7) are EXEMPT from the 80/20 ANNUAL contact requirement.
For example's sake, managagment can have 20 officers working in the CAPS office and niether YOU or the UNION can do a damn thing about it because they can utilize their manpower any way they see fit. The ONLY single requirement is the ANNUAL 80/20 split.
Yah of course they're taking care of people,etc. Some of those people may actually work too. Just because you're not one of them get's you pissed and that's pretty obvious.
NO one that works inside in an office, unless they are LD or Handicapped should be filling a desk job! Those positions should first and foremost filled by officers that need them and are unable to work the street.
6/29/2008 04:42:00 AM
With the GLARING exception that 4 of those "inside" jobs require people of half-wit level or higher intelligence to accomplish. I haven't seen too many L/D lazy fucks who can handle a district secretary or asst district secretary job without fucking it up royal and creating nightmare messes for their commander. Nor have I seen any L/D hider with the ability to evaluate, analyze and generate the needed statistical data required of the district commanders as of late.
Some people just can't handle the fact that they have absolutely NO useable skill set other than telling pookie to stop hitting shaquita. When you develop higher congnitive skills and the ability to read/write at a grade level higher than the 6th, check back.
When I came on the job my district was staffed as follows............
1.Desk. 3 p/o's all males,all over 20 years on the job.
2.Citation clerk.1 male p/o wore a leg brace from IOD auto accident,over 20 years.
3.Review officer.male in his early 60's old park district policeman.
4.DCs office.1 secty,1 ass't secty,both males over 20 years on the job.
5.Timekeeper.Female civilian sharp as a whip.Knew everyones star# and SS# by heart.Never a mistake on your time.
6.Neighborhood Relations (before caps)1 Sgt,2 p/o's.Did more work than caps ever dreamed of.
7.Tact Secty.None!Whatever team was on days,handled the paperwork,court notifications etc.
8.Lockup keeper.1 p/o and 1 civ.And this was in a west side district!
9.Footmen.4 all P/O's over 20.
10.All beat cars manned,3 sectors with a wagon for each one.
11.3rd and 1st watch all 2man except for traffic car.
12.Park and school cars.None,the beat cars handled schools and parks on their beat.
13.Watches.1 Capt,2 Lts,each sector had a permanent sgt,with 2/3 relief sgts.
14.Tact.1LT,1 sgt for each team.3 teams each team in same dog.1 team days,1 team afternoons,1 relief team,worked both shifts.Had to be asked to work tact,your activity spoke for itself.
15.Warrant officers.2 P/Os over 20.
16.Abandoned auto man.P/O over 20.
17.Civilians.1 the timekeeper!
We've come a long way,not neccesarily for the better!
How many clout people were inside people because of (supposed) medical reasons and then when they are put in for a promotion, both merit or otherwise, they suddently aren't that ill. I personally know of at least, who were house mouses (because of some perceived illness) or on medical, who came off and took their promotion.
Anonymous said...
Yeah, clean house in specialized units, public trans, erps, asset fort, TRU, etc.,,,,,,,,less than 15yrs back to the streets!!!!!!!!!
6/29/2008 06:03:00 AM
How about the moron assigned to the desk at midway on days (JJ) with more clout than anyone else, yet he cannot ever leave the office because of the lawsuits due to his predatory status! Why is he wasting a space he would be great at callback but his clout will not allow it! A female left due to his sexual comments and is sueing the suntimes is doing a story another black eye for the police,and midway thanks mayor olympics only in your dreams sir!
They're correct. Lots of exempt wives are employed at the Tower.
Put them out in the street too, Boss! Why are they "privileged" with being inside? Many of them are of low seniority. Let them go to a district and work mids due to their seniority, let them and their exempt hubbies work out the babysitting duties! Let them see how it works for regular folks who are married and on the job!!
Peterson should go to the areas and see how many CMO det's there are. How many desk personnel per watch how many SGT's assigned to a section and really working as an administrative SGT. How many dicks have not turned in a closing sup in years but are just hanging out at the area. You can pull this up on the computer but clout rules if you know somebody you get det. on merit and then an admin spot that doesnt really exist on the A&A's. Maybe if clout didnt run the dept we would have a clearance rate higher than 45%.
Many of our so-called limited duty police officers are on limited duty for false reasons.
They find a doctor to give them a slip stating they cannot work the street when for physical reasons when they really just want an inside position because they are lazy or fearful of the work.
The Department should crack down on this bullshit.
you son should be ashamed! As you just don't get it. I have cancer My doctors told me I have maybe 3 to 5 years I also have a family I have been inside working 18 months and getting sicker by the day. However I would like your sorry ass to know I spent 25 Years in a beat car working the west side. I paid my dues What I get I deserve and then some. I have been working inside for 18 months as of todays date I'm trying to get my finances in order and stay working so my wife and kids get my benefits.Lets hope your sorry ass does not get sick. You cry about someone like me yet the white shirts and connected are the ones milking the system.I paid my dues I have no guilt. PS. Give Phil Cline some more of your money maybe you should worry about him stealing.
I agree, under 15yrs...hit the streets.
Get this crap...there are "nurses" PO's in the medical section w/2-3yrs on the job!!! They came down there right off their 18 months & from what I hear...they bitch about the work they have to do..WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!!!!
I bet they wouldnt bitch IF they had to get back on the streets working 1st watch,6 days on w/rotating DOG's, forget about the nice 2nd jobs on the weekends kids
Yet another salty ole Dawg
WELL SAID VETERAN.WELL SAID.But I dont think J-FED practices what he preeches.He's learned the SHITcago Police Department way.DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO. Typical.
I'm just so sick of him denying MY time due that i earned from overtime, or going to court on my rdo's, getting up early, etc..
Any info/help from other bosses? FOP?
Yey...suck it up ...or pull up your panty hose and bid to a fast district
Do not understand why a officer with 2 years is assigned a inside position. Pure clout on part of management. How many officers with 2 years are working at 35th street? 2 year wonders in districts and units. A 2 year officer in radio room on 2nd watch in 012? A 2 year wonder operating copy machines in academy? 2 year officer in personnel and finance? A closer look reveals sons, daughters and family members of exempts. There are numerous positions for light /limited duty officers. Level the playing field. Remove abusive clout.
as a sgt. i don't think i want to supervise all those people from headquarters--it would be like having all brand new ppo's--not only that they would be a danger to all the po's working the street---they would definitely need an fto for a while
Great idea! CAPS are useless. They take the cars, go shopping, lunch, etc. The job can be done in 1 hr. a day. I heard the Lt's. of caps are returning to patrol and Sgts. will run the caps office. Any truth? This would save the city some $$.
Units have no accountablity like patrol. If Jody wants more officers on the street, taking them from 35th st. is a good start. Now look at the units and the soft spots. Tru sounds good, reality is by the time they actually hit the street after lunch, driving time to and from the districts, no ties to a radio, maybe a 3-4 hr. day?? If they were in patrol, you would see more visibility and more cars manned.
12:32 pm.spoken like a true insider. Please do not compare the work they do with those on street. They are afraid of the street and cater to everyone.
"Come to the south side. You'll be so damn busy you'll forget about taking time off."
AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH! I ALMOST CHOKED ON MY DINNER READING THIS!!
It's amazing that the beat people always get the shaft.
Why is it that if I go over on lunch I get admonished?
Yet, when I'm called in to the desk and sent on a lunch run -station assingment- there are no repercusions if it takes an hour or more. It's all a farce.
6/29/2008 07:44:00 AM
I blame you, the desk has a beat tag and if they want to eat they will use said beat tag. If you play delivery man, that's on you. last time I checked the desk personel are patrolmen also
The best one by far is the f/1 that was just detailed to IAD because she was being sent to a district (18). Made a call to retired 1st and he got TS to take her in. Thie f/1 worked in finance as a civilian, said she was going to take the test and go back to office duty and make more money and after a breif stint in 18, a PPO on a foot beat, she called her sugar daddy and got back into the ivory tower. Now less than 4 years on job and she is a so called investigator in IAD. How can she investigate something that she has no clue about? She needs to learn the street and not in 18!Did they say clout is dead?
This is the first time I've ever posted here.
1. I know and worked with Mike L. in the 011th District many years ago. He is the kind of person we should all try to be.
2. I also agree with the earlier post that no persons should be promoted without at least 10 years.
3. I also agree CAPS is over staffed. But with 24 years on I have seen Community policing turn into CAPS, which is actually do everything the Alderpeople want the police to do that is not the job of the police yet the Commanders don't have the balls to say no too. Because of the lack of balls by all the Commanders, CAPS is understaffed covering the Funerals for friends of polititions, baby showers of political persons etc..
4. There is only one real way to solve the manpower situation, bring the sworn officer total back to it's 13000 plus power and let us do our jobs as dictated by the LAW and not as dictated by the POLITITIONS and REVERENDS. Last I heard we were Law enforcement not community leader/reverend responders
Sorry about the long wind but finally fed up with the B.S.
A 25 year plus officer
It's amazing that the beat people always get the shaft.
Why is it that if I go over on lunch I get admonished?
Yet, when I'm called in to the desk and sent on a lunch run -station assingment- there are no repercusions if it takes an hour or more. It's all a farce.
6/29/2008 07:44:00 AM
You ain't a right color or a political ass wiper..some p.os. make daily lunch runs in 008 for the desk bozos ..take a look at costco..beat car parked daily getting munchies
"Sorry to say this but I truly believe that inside people who are not responding to jobs, affecting arrests, getting cr #'s, going to court, sued, etc... should not be making the same pay as a street p.o. You have all these armed secretaries making good money and telling everyone they are the police when they aren't."...
Tell that to 017 First watch....
when they are not watching movies or standing in front of the station smoking a cigarette!
Demand that the slip be denied by the Captain and retain it in your records. If the Captain refuses, then assume you have the day off and don't report for duty.
Great idea about having Jody put his own office in order first. I think 15 years may be a stretch. Cut it down to 10. At the very least, no broads should be working inside. This is an epidemic. Go out to the districts and you see all these young, never been the police, females working the desk.
"as a sgt. i don't think i want to supervise all those people from headquarters--it would be like having all brand new ppo's--not only that they would be a danger to all the po's working the street---they would definitely need an fto for a while
6/29/2008 06:17:00 PM"
Yeah right. Let's start w/Sgt.s w zero Patrol Time, like this new crew hitting the streets this week. They need Ftos riding w/ them for the next 6 months. There are those SGt w/ time in rank that still don't know what the hell they're doing. Clean up you fellow white shirt brethren, then we'll move on to those out of the loop for awhile
"Come to the south side. You'll be so damn busy you'll forget about taking time off."
thats intersting logic....even more of a reason the take time off......
R U FN KIDDING ME!! ADMINISTRATIVELY WE WOULD SUFFER GREATLY BY KEEPING THE OLD TIMERS INSIDE. QUESTION; HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR PAYCHECK ALL SREWED UP BECAUSE OF SOME LAZY OLD TIMER THATS AT HQ ONLY BECAUSE IT'S STILL A 5 DAY WORK WEEK. ANYWAY, THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE TALENT WITH THE YOUNGER OFFICERS....THAT ARE NOT AFRIAD OF A COMPUTER OR WORK.
PEACE OUT......
"Sorry about the long wind but finally fed up with the B.S.
A 25 year plus officer
6/29/2008 08:04:00 PM"
Your comments hardly even approach being 'long winded'.
In fact, that's one of the reasons why things have gotten so screwed up, because the humble mistakenly feel that they should 'say no more'.
Saying more of the truth, even if you think all you've got to say is mere personal opinion, is what is needed.
Don't worry about being perceived as being long winded; only the closed minded and thought-less have short attention spans.
Time to have the D/c's earn their money and be accountable for their districts. That includes manpower and the amount of inside people that are ACTUALLY needed.
There are too many inside people doing nothing inside. You go into a district and you see too many people roaming around inside that are not in the field.
Same thing with dics. There are too many dics who do nothing, no interviews, no arrests, no closing supps. Just come to work, screw around on the computer and jump on other's arrests so they see their name on the arrest report. Why doesn't management look at the closing supps each dic submits? Don't they realize this accounts for their activity? (I'm talking about closed by arrest). Some dics don't even know how to write a closing supp and/or haven't submitted a closing supp for years 'cause they haven't completed an investigation and haven't made an arrest in years. It is managment's fault --the Sgts, Lts, Cmdrs. who allow the do-nothings to continue to do nothing. Absolutely no case management skills and no accountability. Everyone is on their own agenda and no one cares about anything except themselves. There are actually some victims out there who depend on and respect the CPD and hope that their complaints are investigated by professional and dedicated police personnel. It's a roll of the dice if the victim's case goes to someone who cares or someone who could care less. Over 20 years on the job and I see bosses who wouldn't know how to put an investigation together 'cause they never did it themselves therefore it affects their management or should I say lack of management proficiency. Most of it is a joke. Rant over.
replacing people in headquarters isn't the answer. Ask do you want civilians holding certain positions at HQ? We would become the post office. It would take day to get anything done down there, just look at our dispatchers!
"Yah of course they're taking care of people,etc. Some of those people may actually work too. Just because you're not one of them get's you pissed and that's pretty obvious.
6/29/2008 02:53:00 PM"
Swell.
You've just confirmed that patronage has infected the CPD, one of the many city government agencies that citizens depend upon to be completely free from patronage.
And if you don't know why, you also haven't a clue about the meaning of integrity.
I have 15 years on this job and have been offered numerous positions inside but I will not take them. I like working the street. I don't want to say anything bad about people but I have seen absolute abuse of their position by people that work inside. Tardiness, leaving early, adjusting hours for personal reasons, supervisors holding slips, long lunches, starbuck breaks, out of uniform, and shopping. I understand there are certain unspoken priveledges because you work for the commander but flaunting it is not the way to do it. When I came on the CAPS officers did a lot of work but now they don't even run the meetings nor do they collect the data needed. I know things have changed and certainly no one has to justify the postition they are in to me but don't throw it in everyones face. It is just not polite. No I don't hang aroung watching people, but I see a lot and yeah it bugs me. I know lalalall mind my own business,its just kind of hard when its in your face.
Get it rightttttt..... Grunts are MARINES......................Not Army... It makes a difference...believe me...............
6/29/2008 03:25:00 AM
Another 5'6" man sounds off. I'm sure you did your 6 years one weekend at a time on Foster Avenue.
"THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE TALENT WITH THE YOUNGER OFFICERS....THAT ARE NOT AFRIAD OF A COMPUTER OR WORK.
PEACE OUT......
6/29/2008 10:25:00 PM"
Crawl back into your mother's womb, you're not ready to live in the real world, junior.
there are plenty of "old dogs who have learned the new systems and have done fine, what sucks is the young guns dismissing the old timers knowledge. Not all inside guys are hiding some are just weary from YEARS of WORKING on this job and decide to take the last few a little easier. Some have done their time and then some so to
anonymous said...
R U FN KIDDING ME!! ADMINISTRATIVELY WE WOULD SUFFER GREATLY BY KEEPING THE OLD TIMERS INSIDE. QUESTION; HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR PAYCHECK ALL SREWED UP BECAUSE OF SOME LAZY OLD TIMER THATS AT HQ ONLY BECAUSE IT'S STILL A 5 DAY WORK WEEK. ANYWAY, THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE TALENT WITH THE YOUNGER OFFICERS....THAT ARE NOT AFRIAD OF A COMPUTER OR WORK.
PEACE OUT......
6/29/2008 10:25:00 PM
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anonymous said...
"Sorry to say this but I truly believe that inside people who are not responding to jobs, affecting arrests, getting cr #'s, going to court, sued, etc... should not be making the same pay as a street p.o. You have all these armed secretaries making good money and telling everyone they are the police when they aren't."...
There are people to learn from if you want to learn - find the seasoned guy and soak it up they're a dieing breed.
Oh and don't forget to change your pampers at least twice during your tour.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR PAYCHECK ALL SREWED UP BECAUSE OF SOME LAZY OLD TIMER THATS AT HQ ONLY BECAUSE IT'S STILL A 5 DAY WORK WEEK.
6/29/2008 10:25:00 PM
And all those wives, girlfriends & daughters are working at 35th Street with 5 years on because they care so much about the accuracy of my paycheck? They don't give a hoot about the S/S D.O.G. 5/40 week? You might be the first person to drown in Kool-Aid.
Trouble brewing in Det Division Petersen and Byrne clashing on future supervisors into the D-Unit. Petersen wants detective experience and has JFED backing. Byrne wants best available and has the support of the mayor. Byrne wins mayor to give JFed the order.
6/29
3:25am
You gotta be 11 Bravo to be a grunt.Back in my day we were called "Grunts" because of the grunt you made when you rucked up. Anybody that ever humped a ruck knows what I'm talking about.
As far as those on disability, just remember "But for the grace of God" The FOP and the politicians don't fight for those on disability. Remember they don't get any extra checks and they go several years without any kind of raise not even cost of living. Trust me ask any disabled po how hard it is to get by even on 75% with no raise for years. In case you haven't noticed everything in this city,county and state has gone up but the disabled po's salaries. Thanks FOP and all you corrupt Illinois politicians.
Look at Chief's LIMON' wife. When she does not get her way, she goes to another nice spot. She makes it known who her old man is when she does not get her way.
She Got thrown out of B/A, narcotics, A/F and a few other ones.
Her latest spot is in the rat squad. Clout is sure dead !!!!!!!!!!!!
"alleviating SHORTAGES" title says it all...SHORTAGES.
Let us NOT get sidetracked & start attacking ourselves. L/D is to accommodate those officers who have been injured or suffered illnesses related to this job...denied recurring IODs, heart attacks, strokes, etc.
SHORTAGES of manpower because money is being spend elsewhere...Olmpics 2016, Jfed's salary & benefits, extra pseudo-exempt positions, aldercreatures salaries & benefits, childrens' museum, etc.
All this infighting is self-defeating...our present contract at least protects us in lowest moments of vulnerability...how many footchases or physically fighting with offenders have left officers with injuries that over time take their wear & tear then argue that it is IOD...the city gives you NOTHING without litigation, NOT even duty disability.
At FULL STRENGTH MANPOWER, we would not be nitpicking every position. At one time, 2 to 3 of those 'civilian' positions were worked by ONLY one (1) officer who did a damn good job, now 2-3 civilian are needed?
Don't you get it DIVIDE & CONQUER...look at the city's proposals for the future contract. The city is NOT bending or even acknowledging CPD, it is bulldozing hoping we are asleep or too busy infighting to unite.
The future CPD if the city gets its way will not get you to 29 1/2 years for 75% pension.
Jfed, exempts, & all power players are being promoted & paid to PLAY BALL.
If the Captain refuses, then assume you have the day off and don't report for duty.
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Pretty much the dumbest thing I ever read on here.
Anonymous said...
R U FN KIDDING ME!! ADMINISTRATIVELY WE WOULD SUFFER GREATLY BY KEEPING THE OLD TIMERS INSIDE. QUESTION; HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR PAYCHECK ALL SREWED UP BECAUSE OF SOME LAZY OLD TIMER THATS AT HQ ONLY BECAUSE IT'S STILL A 5 DAY WORK WEEK. ANYWAY, THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE TALENT WITH THE YOUNGER OFFICERS....THAT ARE NOT AFRIAD OF A COMPUTER OR WORK.
PEACE OUT......
6/29/2008 10:25:00 PM
Peace out summarizes it all. By the way, not necessary to use all capital letters. Two years on and working inside in plain clothes. Why use a PO when they can hire a qualified civilian? Not necessary to wear a weapon when performing clerical work. Maybe if "peace out" worked the street a few years his perspective would change. Amazing, when there is a detail, the veterans suit up and work. The young PO's run or go LD. Peace out my ass.
Anonymous said...
WELL SAID VETERAN.WELL SAID.But I dont think J-FED practices what he preeches.He's learned the SHITcago Police Department way.DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO. Typical.
6/29/2008 05:52:00 PM
Be careful what you say against JFED. A few have been punished for speaking against the current administration.
Anonymous said...
The best one by far is the f/1 that was just detailed to IAD because she was being sent to a district (18). Made a call to retired 1st and he got TS to take her in. Thie f/1 worked in finance as a civilian, said she was going to take the test and go back to office duty and make more money and after a breif stint in 18, a PPO on a foot beat, she called her sugar daddy and got back into the ivory tower. Now less than 4 years on job and she is a so called investigator in IAD. How can she investigate something that she has no clue about? She needs to learn the street and not in 18!Did they say clout is dead?
6/29/2008 07:55:00 PM
More clout as always then another reason to do no work why bother! I am so done just collecting a nice check less stress no cr's no lawsuits no activity this is the life make the sgts work they get the extra pay clout babies fuck em!
"...Caps personnel in the district are working just as hard as anyone on the streets..."
This is exactly why we are fucked up. The person who wrote this really believes it. The most dangerous thing that can happen to you in CAPS is breaking a nail on the Xerox machine making flyers for your next useless meeting.
The Marines had a very nice float in the parade yesterday.
OT:
What is going on with our time due situation/lawsuit??
I work in a north side district where the captain controls the "time due book." So you bring your slip into his office, he takes out the book and tells you "no, that day is no good." He never actually writes the denial on the slip. Should we start demanding that he writes denied on there and then also document the reason? Does this seem like a fair and reasonable request?
I'm just so sick of him denying MY time due that i earned from overtime, or going to court on my rdo's, getting up early, etc..
Any info/help from other bosses? FOP?
6/29/2008 01:31:00 AM
Hello,
The City of Chicago has appealed the ruling in our favor. Relief is stayed during the appeal. The case is currently before the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Briefs will be completed and submitted by the end of July. The Court can rule any time after that.
yeah too many females at HQs, but you can't replace them with civilians. Just a few weeks ago they cleaned house on the 3rd floor, civilians were cleaning records of their homies. They had access to criminal as well as personnel files.
Just cause they're LD doesn't mean they know or want to do data processing. Other units need specialy trained persons, computer skills not typing but programming and advanced skills that many new POs have. Guys with 15 years have difficulty opening their e-mail. Other units need trained personel with military skills such as DOC, but that unit has a bunch of people with no skills.
Gun and saturation teams are a waste of man power too. They were made up by Mauer so he could put his people in spots. Put everyone back in the district out on the streets answering calls for service. Thats what we were all hired to do. PERIOD!
"Yah of course they're taking care of people,etc. Some of those people may actually work too. Just because you're not one of them get's you pissed and that's pretty obvious.
6/29/2008 02:53:00 PM"
Swell.
You've just confirmed that patronage has infected the CPD, one of the many city government agencies that citizens depend upon to be completely free from patronage.
And if you don't know why, you also haven't a clue about the meaning of integrity.
6/29/2008 10:43:00 PM
Just thought the same thing. Bet the original poster is under 30 years old.
How about district managers they make Sgt's pay yet no nothing. A political job from the Aldercreaters office. But you guys want to bitch about Injured officers. Pussy police
Ok, I'm a female officer with less than 10 years on. For one, it pisses me off that all of these young female officers are getting nice cushy jobs at hqs. Just from reading the blog alone, it is evident that a lot of people believe that is what all female p/os strive to do. There are plenty of us out there that work, and wouldn't take a job at hqs. (Even some of the "cute" ones!) However, I work in an area also. There are plenty of days that I get thrown on the desk or in female lockup. I don't mind helping out because it's an area and you have to expect to do such things from time to time. However, don't misktake those of us who work inside occassionally for a bunch of do-nothing helpless females. Not all of us are trying to hide in the caps office or downtown. I've said my piece.
To 6/30/2008 01:25:00 AM:
Apparently you live in 022,probably the west end.
People with more than ONE (1) car only recieved ONE (1) sticker renewal form!!!! This probably as you said to ploy to obtain late fees, tickets and fines to say nothing of dept. discipline for not having your city sticker on time. (suspension and thus wage savings for the dept.(city) NICE HUH??
And as for what you think this portion of the contract means, I point out you are dead wrong. Management can place as many people working in the CAPS office as they wish, only (7) are EXEMPT from the 80/20 ANNUAL contact requirement.
For example's sake, managagment can have 20 officers working in the CAPS office and niether YOU or the UNION can do a damn thing about it because they can utilize their manpower any way they see fit. The ONLY single requirement is the ANNUAL 80/20 split.
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The point is that, in every district these spots/offices are full. Up to the very capacity you describe. It's an example of how we are being killed from the top on down.
Commander's that worry way more about having a fully staffed CAPS office vs. a full assignment sheet are the problem. The solution is to eliminate the cush spots that they can give away.
If they put you on the street, and you don't like that street, then find another street.
They're correct. Lots of exempt wives are employed at the Tower.
Put them out in the street too, Boss! Why are they "privileged" with being inside? Many of them are of low seniority. Let them go to a istrict and work mids due to their eniority, let them and their exempt bbies work out the babysitting duties! Let them see how it works for regular folks who are married and on the job!!
I'm a female officer with 25 years on the street working a beat car, and when I first came on I was one of only three women in the west side dist, I was treated like a piece of shit, however as soon as a white shirts daughter or wife game on the job low and behold things started changing well we can't have my daughter or wife treated like shit.wonder why? When we changed watches every 28 days it took me 4 years before I would work a day shift. I played hell on this job for many years. think god I'm the real police. I never kissed ass and went home with my spine. I'm sickened by what I see.
I work in 011...the desk crew on 3rd watch is rotated daily. Every ppo works the desk at some point or another. There are two officers with more than 15 years on who bid to the desk. And both of those guys were always workers on the street and have earned their right to be inside if they choose. With the exception of one l/d abuser from 016 on the desk, it seems to me that the desk work is being spread out. So not all of the "inside" people are lazy and useless. Some get thrown inside because they learned how to do the desk work when they were put there as ppos. Then they get put there repeatedly so nobody new has to be trained to do everything. So in some places it's just the luck of the draw.
replacing people in headquarters isn't the answer. Ask do you want civilians holding certain positions at HQ? We would become the post office. It would take day to get anything done down there, just look at our dispatchers!
I agree! when I came on,Dispatchers were the real police and I can tell you what a difference it makes. (SAFETY)
There are plenty of 15+ guys working inside as well as on the beat. And just becasue someone has 15+ years on doesn't mean he's not a complete jackass.
Why don't we do promotions like this:
once you hit 7 yeas, you are a sergeant, no matter how retarded you are. 15 years, now you are a retarded Lt. 25 Years=retarded Cpt. 30 years and you can be the retarded Supt.
The promotional test system is completely fucked. The meritorius promotions are retarded. However, this department is way too big to even think that specialized units and inside units can be filled with competent people all the time. You can't test for every unit and a new commander of a unit is going to have a hard time taking guys based solely on interviews and stats. They are going to take who they know, or guys recommended by people they trust. Unfortunately that is the way it is always going to be.
We should seriously concentrate our energy on getting a good contract, nixing merit promotions adn revamping the promotional system. Wasting energy on clout babies in units is counterproductive. If you feel you should be in one of those units, do your best to make a friend on the way up, otherwise, study hard for the next Detective test.
I'm pretty lucky when it comes to work. I get the same cruiser everyday with excellent A/C and a cigarette lighter that actually works for my portable color TV. I duked the guys at motor maintainance with some donut holes and they gave me new floor mats. That is very important because when I take my shoes off to stretch out for a nap my white socks never get dirty. I always take my nappy poo after I write one parking ticket. Here's a little secret request an event number for parking enforcement. It sounds almost as cool as an event number for a Homeland Security Check. I don't understand all the morale problems with the young spiffy (hair gel) police. Was your job at Burger King or WalMart that much better. Suck it up and man-up, do your job ! You weren't drafted, you were hired after applying for this noble profession. Look for the little things on this job that make you happy, doing crossword puzzles (copied) not while in the paper, save .50 cents, drink free coffee, try the cologne testers at the mall (no charge), it goes on and on....now charge to the sound of gunfire!
1977 revolver police. U are an idiot who probably spends more time bitching then working. Have fun the rest of your career telling these ppos how great you used to be.
6/29/2008 06:43:00 AM
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Who’s your daddy honey?
He never actually writes the denial on the slip.
They never will write "Denied" on the slip. When you file your grievance, give them the slip and document on the grievance form the reason for the denial, date & time.
Its always been who you know. Dont forget it.
those of you bitching about CAPS and the desk having to many, have you ever worked it? If you haven't then shut the fuck up. I never worked the desk until I was promoted, and I never worked harder, but of course that was in a busy place. It is not really dangerous, well expect in 1, 7,21,23, probably more where people have walked in with guns and attacked the desk crew.
I have a legitimate question, and I am NOT trying to start an argument, but I find myself wondering about Disability for duty related injuries/sicknesses. If the money for that does not come from the Pension Fund, where does it come from? I always believed that the Fund was responsible for this. It seems to me that if it does not come from the Pension Fund, it would have to come from the city. If that was the case, there would be a large incentive for the city to put more duty related cases into disability because it would cost them less, 75%, as opposed to 100% of salary. Anyone, preferably someone who actually knows something, have an answer.
Thanks
There are too many inside people doing nothing inside. You go into a district and you see too many people roaming around inside that are not in the field.
Same thing with dics. There are too many dics who do nothing, no interviews, no arrests, no closing supps. Just come to work, screw around on the computer and jump on other's arrests so they see their name on the arrest report. Why doesn't management look at the closing supps each dic submits? Don't they realize this accounts for their activity? (I'm talking about closed by arrest).
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So very true.
The problem is that police work is and always has been a self-motivating profession at every level.
This is the one job where you can do nothing and still do your job. Its in patrol, in the D unit, and inside HQ. Probably more do nothings gravitate to HQ than anywhere else.
Put them on the street and they'll just do nothing. They won't back you up, they'll sit on stupid jobs all night, they won't make one bit of difference.
If you are on the street its better to have an almost empty roll call than a full one with a lot of do-nothings.
At least you know what your up against.
Let them stay inside HQ. I don't want their job and I'm probably safer with them locked inside that building.
My job as a detective consists in dealing with the public and these guys anything we needed they accomodated.
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Must be dumber than a rock.
The best one by far is the f/1 that was just detailed to IAD because she was being sent to a district (18). Made a call to retired 1st and he got TS to take her in. Thie f/1 worked in finance as a civilian, said she was going to take the test and go back to office duty and make more money and after a breif stint in 18, a PPO on a foot beat, she called her sugar daddy and got back into the ivory tower. Now less than 4 years on job and she is a so called investigator in IAD. How can she investigate something that she has no clue about? She needs to learn the street and not in 18!Did they say clout is dead?
6/29/2008 07:55:00 PM
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I got that one beat.
There is a F/1 at the Academy in the Xerox room.
She has 2 yrs on the job.
The baby daddy is a Deputy Sup. = P*att*rs*n.
She never gets sent on any details and comes and goes as she pleases.
Can't do her job because she is working on baby school projects.
A complete joke and a slap in everyones face.
We totally need PO's at HQ. Trust me....One civilian supervisor just resigned due to fraud scam she had going on at her previous job...and she worked for CPD with full access to all info...how do they even get hired? but I do agree that HQ should only have real l/d PO's working there...
Why is there a constant drum beat of anti-female police banter on this board? Why blame all of the problems on "way too many young female cops working on 35th and Michigan?" Women PO's are just as good as a male PO. This is the year 2008 and this is not Sauidi Arabia!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The best one by far is the f/1 that was just detailed to IAD because she was being sent to a district (18). Made a call to retired 1st and he got TS to take her in. Thie f/1 worked in finance as a civilian, said she was going to take the test and go back to office duty and make more money and after a breif stint in 18, a PPO on a foot beat, she called her sugar daddy and got back into the ivory tower. Now less than 4 years on job and she is a so called investigator in IAD. How can she investigate something that she has no clue about? She needs to learn the street and not in 18!Did they say clout is dead?
6/29/2008 07:55:00 PM
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I got that one beat.
There is a F/1 at the Academy in the Xerox room.
She has 2 yrs on the job.
The baby daddy is a Deputy Sup. = P*att*rs*n.
She never gets sent on any details and comes and goes as she pleases.
Can't do her job because she is working on baby school projects.
A complete joke and a slap in everyones face.
6/30/2008 08:30:00 PM
Here is a novel idea: don't spend so much damn time worrying about others. Worry about yourself! Clout is clout; it is the Chicago way. So don't sweat all of this nonsense, you will only aggravate yourself and nothing good will come of it. Just do your time and collect that pension!
Peace out summarizes it all. By the way, not necessary to use all capital letters. Two years on and working inside in plain clothes. Why use a PO when they can hire a qualified civilian? Not necessary to wear a weapon when performing clerical work. Maybe if "peace out" worked the street a few years his perspective would change. Amazing, when there is a detail, the veterans suit up and work. The young PO's run or go LD. Peace out my ass.
6/30/2008 06:46:00 AM
Amen Brother!
I for one am LD from the job & let me tell you ALL, I would give my left one to work the street again. I didnt come on this job to work the desk or get hurt but w/both its the nature of the beast.
Be safe out there
I got that one beat.
There is a F/1 at the Academy in the Xerox room.
She has 2 yrs on the job.
The baby daddy is a Deputy Sup. = P*att*rs*n.
She never gets sent on any details and comes and goes as she pleases.
Can't do her job because she is working on baby school projects.
A complete joke and a slap in everyones face.
6/30/2008 08:30:00 PM
How many others are hiding at academy? Five Females in a computer unit on second floor that do not teach recruits. One is a FTO hiding from PPO's. Useless. All full duty. Controlled by 35th street. I am tired of details on the street and they are exempt from any academy details.
SCC,
We always hear 13,500 quoted in the news as the number of "Police Officers" in Chicago. I did a GOOGLE search for "13,500 officers" and it came back with 590,000 hits and yes the majority of hits were in reference to Chicago's Finest!
I asked around and came up with the list below. While not inclusive of all sworn title codes it is a little more realistic. Even PO number 10,021 below is misleading in reference to the number of available "District Officers" as it does not take into account duty status and unit detail assignments.
13,500 as reported in media down to 8,266 officers in the districts? Sorry boys and girls all the CAPS and desk PO's department wide won't fill that void!
Most title descriptions are pretty straight forward even in the P.O. ASS spots on the list. But does anyone know what a Police Technician D2 spot is? Or a Per Arb Award D2 spot? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
If the enormous disparity in the reported numbers are not a good enough reason to hire more officers ASAP then I do not know what is. Wait I forgot - Olympics in 2016! So in typical city fashion we should see the number of PO's go up about the end of 2015.
Anyone have the number of LD, LOA, Military Leave, etc? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
TOTAL ACTIVE SWORN ALL TITLE CODES: 13,351*
TOTAL SWORN AS INDICATED by TITLE CODE BELOW: 12,951*
9161 - POLICE OFFICER (INCLUDES PPO'S): D1/ 10,021
9126 - POLICE TECHNICIAN: D2/ ?
9151 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS TRAFFIC SPECIALIST: D2/ ?
9152 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS CANINE HANDLER: D2/ ?
9153 - P.O. AS EXPLOSIVE DETECTION CANINE HANDLER: D2/ ?
9155 - P.O. PER ARBITRATION AWARD: D2/ 26
9163 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS FINGERPRINT EXAMINER: D2/ ?
9164 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS FIELD TRAINING OFFICER: D2/ 148
9168 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS MARINE UNIT OFFICER: D2/ ?
9169 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS MOUNTED UNIT OFFICER: D2/ ?
9170 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS ARMORER: D2/ ?
9174 - POLICE AGENT:D2/ ?
9206 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS EVIDENCE TECHNICIAN: D2/ ?
9165 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS DETECTIVE: D2A/ 1,184
9171 - SERGEANT: D3/ 1,205
9015 - POLICE LEGAL OFFICER I: D3/ ?
9156 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS SUPV. SUBST. AB. COUNSELOR: D3/ ?
9158 - EXPLOSIVES TECHNICIAN I: D3/ ?
9160 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS SECURITY SPECIALIST: D3/ ?
9166 - P.O. ASSIGNED AS SUPERVISING LATENT: D3/ ?
9201 - POLICE FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR I: D3/ ?
9213 - FIREARMS IDENTIFICATION TECHNICIAN I: D3/ ?
9016 - POLICE LEGAL OFFICER II: D4/ ?
9173 - LIEUTENANT OF POLICE: D4/ 247
9202 - POLICE FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR II: D4/ ?
9017 - POLICE LEGAL OFFICER III: D5/ ?
9157 - EXPLOSIVE TECHNICIAN III: D5/ ?
9175 - CAPTAIN: D5/ 71
9203 - POLICE FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR III: D5/ ?
9752 - COMMANDER: D6/ 50
NOTE: *Total numbers below include ALL duty status types & ALL unit assigments/details.
TOTAL PO's(PO's, PPO's, FTO's and PO PER arb award?) ASSIGNED TO DISTRICTS 001- 025:
8,266**
9155 - 5
9161 - 8,116
9164 - 145
9171 - 766
9173 - 162
9175 - 70
9752 - 25
NOTE: **Total includes ALL duty status types.
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The Detective Division is in a great need of a make-over. I hope Peterson gets management people who know what they are doing, who have a strong record themselves in the D Unit. Please, we don't need any more lazy do-nothing dics and no more dic supervisors who don't have a clue 'cause they themselves never cleared a case. Very few detectives in each area and unit that actually work on cases, most do nothing.
I see it on a daily basis in my unit. I've dropped a few hints to the merit sgts regarding the do-nothings and it falls on deaf ears and I've resigned myself to try to ignore it, but it gets stressful. In the meantime, a handful of the dics do the majority of the work and keep up the arrest stats while the others take their 2 hour lunches and don't work on their cases or go on their extended medicals.
well expect in 1, 7,21,23, probably more where people have walked in with guns and attacked the desk crew.
Let's not forget 003!
I have a legitimate question, and I am NOT trying to start an argument, but I find myself wondering about Disability for duty related
The city has an agreement with the state not to pay into the workmens comp system for CPD (sworn officers) The city has to place so much money in a seperate fund. and because very few are on duty disability it is flushed with cash. Your pension fund is not touched along with the officers are stilling paying into the fund just like you are. The city saves Millions of Dollars a year.and they don't have to play by the rules. (they can fuck you over) If you had workmens comp each time you were injured you would receive a check for pain and suffering. The city likes this system as they can control it.
I see it on a daily basis in my unit. I've dropped a few hints to the merit sgts regarding the do-nothings and it falls on deaf ears and I've resigned myself to try to ignore it, but it gets stressful. In the meantime, a handful of the dics do the majority of the work and keep up the arrest stats while the others take their 2 hour lunches and don't work on their cases or go on their extended medicals.
**it's like this everywhere in this department. you do a good job, you get more work. If you do nothing... then you do nothing.
How many others are hiding at academy?
4 full duty and 1 LD PO as secretaries
Slotted for only 2 FTO spots but more than that in there.
The City of Chicago has appealed the ruling in our favor. Relief is stayed during the appeal
**Even though relief is stayed, you can still file grievances regarding the denial of time due.
When I came on the job 15 years ago, everyone inside was an old-timer. Better learn how to respect those old timers because they know this job like the back of their hand. I would rather have an old timer who romped & stomped sitting back behind the desk on easy street taking care of me then some punk ass 2 year wonder that thinks the department owes them something! Those old timers know who the workers are and would bend over backwards to give the working copper a good car or early start. I appreciate you old timers and I thank you.
Trouble I see that if your wish comes true, you will see a lot of inexperienced P.O.'s on the street that have been working inside for most of their "short" careers.
The is one female P.O. in 024 who just hit her 10th year. She's never worked the streets and, oh BTW....she's been on 2nd watch for 9 1/2 years.
With the GLARING exception that 4 of those "inside" jobs require people of half-wit level or higher intelligence to accomplish. I haven't seen too many L/D lazy fucks who can handle a district secretary or asst district secretary job without fucking it up royal and creating nightmare messes for their commander. Nor have I seen any L/D hider with the ability to evaluate, analyze and generate the needed statistical data required of the district commanders as of late.
Some people just can't handle the fact that they have absolutely NO useable skill set other than telling pookie to stop hitting shaquita. When you develop higher congnitive skills and the ability to read/write at a grade level higher than the 6th, check back.
Written by someone who constantly looks over their shoulder for the "one" that is eyeing their spot. I'm sure if I have been inside for as long as you probably have been I would have the job down pat. It's amazing on how many inside dogs I've heard saying that "nobody can do my job".
Hello fello crimefighters. First I'd like to say something about light duty officers. I will admit I always thought 'they' were a bunch of 'do nothings'. Well, having been on this roller coaster of a job for over 20 years, I will be the first to admit I was WRONG! I am now in that boat of conv. duty officers who may never return to full duty. My injury was not an I.O.D. I suffered a serious back injury which has been a total nightmare, having to have reconstructive spinal surgery. I work with a small buch of sworn officers who are in a light or convel. status. Most work hard, some do not. Second note... about the Sgts. we have.. In my unit we are short of sgts. So much so, they have to take turns filling in on one part watch. We don't have one for every three of us! And.. lastly... the amout od civilians in my unit is ridiculous. The one's on my watch are for the majority are hard workers. The rest, sleep, watch there own T.V.'s brought from home, listen to their Ipod's and talk shit. Did you mention a dress code? HA! LOL! They apparently have none. Wearing some of the most ridiculous and loud clothing ever to be made. Meanwhile, the P/O's have to wear uniiforms everyday but Fri. Then, as long as we have a CPD Mem. t-shirt, we can wear it with jeans. Here's another note for readers... there are only so many handicapped parking spaces in the lot. Now, not ever having to even think about a h/c parking spot, unless you were writing a ticket to some asshole who does not have a placard... Now, you are injured and cannot walk from your vehicle to the front doors of hq, and have a h/c placard from the Il. Sec. of State. and need to park in one of those few spaces and realize they are all full. What do you do? Well.. you could park in the fire lane. Oh, but wait, you can't because it's full of police vehicles that could have parked in the visitors spaces! If you wait until after 1500 hrs, you can watch all the healthy civilians walk or slither to the cars that are taking up those spaces. The unions told me, "our office has received so many complaints from officers we launched an investigation." "We brought it to the attention of the Sup. and were told the parking lot has as many h/c spots whice are req'd by state law." Wow... Tell that to a copper who got a severe i.o.d. and can't walk more than 200 ft w/o going into some sort of spasm or severe pain. 'Oh well, that's too bad.' 'We have a meeting today of citywide caps people.' 'They have to park somewhere.' Meanwhile the veteran copper, maybe your aunt or uncle, has to park out on 36th and State St. and attempt to walk to the doors. Oh, I forgot to add this. since he or she, the vet. p/o has been lt. duty for four years now the city is going to force him / her out because they have no use for them now. They have been in their position for too long and if they can't get healed by some miracle and hop into a beatcar tomorrow, they are done. Goodbye, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! Well my friends, i'm lucky. I have my h/c placard and will tell Jody "I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT TIME I AM SUPPOSED TO START, I'LL BE IN YOUR LOT WAITING UNTIL I GET AN H/C SPOT!" I am now in the sinking boat of hurt coppers who can barely walk. Let's stick together and tell that asshole union pres. to tell Daley to stick his proposal up his ASS!
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