More Guns = More Burglaries?
A couple of comments popped up today about how if everyone has guns, this will only lead to an increase in burglaries, thereby providing criminals with a steady supply of guns.
Talk about a real stretch of the imagination. Crime goes down exponentially when more guns are around according to every reputable study, and that includes property crime.
First up, we were hoping for a reduction in the population of jagoffs once a few of them get killed breaking into houses that have an available means to defend the home.
Secondly, go out and buy a decent gun safe, install it properly and most burglars aren't going to waste time trying to move it. They want simple, easily disposable items. A safe lag bolted to the floor is probably one of the better ways to secure your gun. A stand up gun safe weighing a few hundred pounds is a great place to store important papers along with your gun(s). Tucked away in a sock drawer? Not so good.
But this just goes to show the typical liberal thinking that goes into a concerted effort to deprive law abiding people from exercising their Rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.
Talk about a real stretch of the imagination. Crime goes down exponentially when more guns are around according to every reputable study, and that includes property crime.
First up, we were hoping for a reduction in the population of jagoffs once a few of them get killed breaking into houses that have an available means to defend the home.
Secondly, go out and buy a decent gun safe, install it properly and most burglars aren't going to waste time trying to move it. They want simple, easily disposable items. A safe lag bolted to the floor is probably one of the better ways to secure your gun. A stand up gun safe weighing a few hundred pounds is a great place to store important papers along with your gun(s). Tucked away in a sock drawer? Not so good.
But this just goes to show the typical liberal thinking that goes into a concerted effort to deprive law abiding people from exercising their Rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
93 Comments:
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Why where there two FBI agents attending Automated Arrest class on Thursday?
Who gave them PC#'s to logon with?
What reason do we need to have two FBI agents who are NOT part of J-Frauds City crew learning the automated system?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
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The Sgt. that works in Personnel,
R.G. should be embarassed of himself and his actions.
He went to the "situp" kids house at 2200hrs to serve him with termination papers.
Went with two marked district cars, ordered mars lights to be on the entire time, ordered the PO's to go into the home with him.
Told the kid, " You will NEVER be the police anywhere if I have any say so!"
What a stroke. This kid is the son of a PO with 31 yrs on the job and you just had to treat this family that way? Your a pompus ass.
All that for a situp?
I sure hope that you do not expect your family to be treated with any respect from anyone in the dept., cause it ain't gonna happen.
I am overjoyed knowing that the Supreme Court shot down DC's ban and ours is next! But, I have to disagree with you, SCC, on a few things. I don't think crime will go down. There are many factors that play into crime rates, like racial makeup, income, education, parents (divorced?) and so on. The fact that there are more guns in citizen's hands is not the only factor that plays into these cities' lower crime rates. Secondly, the fact that most burglaries happen during the day time, when no one is home because most everyday citizens work 9-5, means no one will be there to shoot the intruders. Therefore I see more guns being reported stolen due to daytime burglaries. Next, storing the guns in safes is a great idea and everyone should do so, but I know for a fact that most policemen don't have them, including myself. Why? because policemen are cheap! The big hundred plus pound safes can be pricey. The everyday person who has one handgun is not going to spend additional $700-$1000 on a good safe. Overall, I think most crime will stay the same (Agg batts, homicides, robberies, etc). Burglaries, however, may increase. If you really want to prevent burglaries get yourself a nice 100-120lbs Rott like myself. We all know sh*theads don't like dogs.
They will attempt to sensationalize a common sense issue to further their goals. If you read the comments of our Founding Fathers on arms in the hands of citizens, you will see that they all supported it as a means of keeping government in check. So if you're anti-gun, you truly are anti-American.
We have a Constitutional RIGHT to keep and bear arms that they can't take away. It's every bit as important a right as free speech. Kiss my ass liberal commie shit bags. You can't destroy the country yet.
Off topic:
Could the supervisors who keep insisting that we need probable cause to complete a contact card please remove your heads from your asses? Thank you.
Fuck Daley. Northside for mayor. Start a petition.
Just another liberal story to weave to try and get the midget emperor his way. Will more guns be taken in burglaries probably yes. Are police officers in more danger when they search a home because the burglar may have found a gun on site and is hiding in a closet under a pile of clothes as you come closer during your search, yes. But in the bigger picture the home owner is safer if they treat the gun with respect and keep it from their kids hands. Once joe citizen can legally own a firearm again we will see a hugh increase in reported weapons taken in thefts and burglaries. That is how the bad guys are getting most of them now people( police know that already) but the citizen not wanting to get in any trouble will not report it to the police as being stolen because he was not supposed to have it to begin with. The straw purchasers that th emidget goes on and on about are a small portion of th eweapons used in most crimes. Most of these weapons are stolen in the manner I described/ Years ago almost every firearm I recovered on the streets was reported as stolen and registered to a chicago resident when ran through the gun desk. Later in my career and even today I would imagine( i am retired) every gun I recovered was checked and was clear not registered. Why Mr. Midget?? because the citizens were still buying the guns but not registering them because they coould not, and did not want to report them stolen because they didnt want to get in trouble with law enforcement the very people they should be telling about the stolen gun. King Richie Daley you are a moron, your subjects have always been buying guns against your imperial decree to not own handguns. Now the US Supreme court has allowed them to do so legally, wake up dont dare spend a dime of taxpayer money fighting a fight you cant and shouldnt win. Lets see if any of the "Emperors " advisors will tell him he has no clothes. Just like the kids story .
They got the keep part right. Now they have to get the bear part right. Concealed carry for everyone eligable.
Holy this is an easy one Batman!!!
Well if you leave the gun at home and your ain't there then someone will steal it, sure...so maybe a conceal carry license will solve this problem. If the gun is on your person where it should be. You can safety ensure that it will not be taken in a burglary. And if you walk into your home being burglarized then you can use the weapon to defend yourself from being attacked while you use the other hand to dial 911. If you only have one hand then have the burglar call 911 for you.
SCC. thanks for the opportunity to solve these minor issues being raised by people who just don't want us to have a gun. Notice how hysterical "they" get and flustered by creating those what if scenarios to scare the sheep to death. Assholes all of them.
Yes per the Constitution we all have a right to bear arms, but back in 1776 they didn't have the volume of shitheads we have now. Even with the incredible foresight our forefathers had, they could of not foreseen these wastes of life we have now.
Your comments again represent the respectable citizens of Chicago, but unfortunately we all know how much life means to the scum of our city and those are the ones we have to worry about..
There are plenty of police haters out there, most, thank god, only decide to fight or run. Now make it legal for some of these to have guns, IT may be a different scenario. Yes my ideals may be stretching what may really happen, but after spending 16yrs in shit neighborhoods I am not a liberal, conservative, but a realist.
If dogs were banned then re-implemented would this mean that we would have an increase in burglaries for the purpose of stealing dogs?
Where is common sense?
If tellers at banks were armed would we have an increase of bank robberies?
Do we have an increase in armored car robberies?
Get your heads out of your asses.
Owning a gun does not guarantee nothing...it enables the owner the opportunity to defend him/herself from being a victim. What's wrong with that?
"More Guns = More Burglaries?"
This is all part of Failed Model Approach.Anyone supporting this position has severely flawed logic and reasoning skills.
More legally owned handguns in the city means more dead chior boys for awhile.You will see the crime rate PLUMMIT!!
When dude finally realizes he/she cannot be uppity and do whatever,they will adapt.
AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY.
Those of us that handle burglaries can tell you that stolen guns out of homes doesn't happen as often as the libs will want you to believe.
And there are more thefts of GPS units from vehicles now that more people have them. So according to the lib waco derangment syndrome GPS units should be banned.
Regarding the "sit-up" kid and the empty holster sgt. pogue.
The young man has plenty of opportunities for police officer employment in other communities.
He should start a good regime of physical fitness training though.
Told the kid, " You will NEVER be the police anywhere if I have any say so!"
Will that sergeant be a participant in the "Pride" parade tomorrow along with the midget?
Inquiring minds would like to know...
many liberals in my district don't even lock their doors let alone keep valuables in a safe.
it is as if they are trying to will the world a better place by refusing to aknowledge the existance of evil.
I see it just the opposite.
More guns = More dead burglars on the kitchen floor
The only way to stop a pistol from going to the gangbangers is to put it in one of those microwave sized pistol safes with the solid bar stock hinges and 2" thick walls. I saw them in that safe store downtown near presidential towers. Anything less than that, and your mini Glock or .38 is rolling with the homies ! They can pop open those cheap gun boxes with a small pinch bar...
Here in Pennsylvania, we get criminals coming over the river from New Jersey from time to time. Break into a house here, and surprise! they get shot.
Blythe's Sporting Goods & Safes in Griffith,Indiana (219) 924-4403 will even deliver your Liberty Safe. You can pick up the phone and put it on ur debit card...Great place to deal with! A Liberty Centuring with electronic lock & Delivery runs about $ 1000... a cheap price cosidering it's 20 cubic Feet and will easily accomodate 10 long guns with 3 shelves....put it in ur basement & lag bolt it to the floor. Get a "goldrod" dehumidifier to keep it moisture free & stop rusting of ur guns
Actually more like More Guns = More Guns for shithead.
For some reason, all you proponents of sleeping safe on your bed of guns seem to think that every new yuppie or not yet diagnosed psycho is going to buy only the best anti theft protected gun safe, of which only the heaviest and largest or most securely mounted may actually prevent your guns from being stolen by only the most casual dope fiend burglar. First off, if there were 3 million adults in Chicago legally allowed to keep handguns in their home, about 1000 even give a shit to buy one. Second, of those 1000, which ones do you think are buying the guns? Correct! It's gonna be adult joe shithead who lives in the crime infested hood who just wants to keep his playstation 2 safe. And joe shithead's the guy who's gonna buy the 2000.00 stand up gun safe so he can protect his 275.00 piece of shit Lorcin, which is the only shit gun he can afford. And joe shithead's the guy who's served in the military and has any formal training at all to prevent himself from being disarmed in his own home and can shoot true under times of duress so's not to kill any other family members nearby.
Yah, you're right, truthful logic is wrong, the yuppies and rich folk downtown and in the top north side neighborhoods are the ones who are gonna buy the cache of more guns than they can hold at one time so's to make that 2000.00 stand up gun safe or wall safe or anchored safe worth the investment. They're also the responsible folk who are gonna take some form of training, first to learn how to safely fire their entire cache of newfound safety, and then diligently attend the best stress fire scenario training they can get so they won't fold under fear, shoot themselves or their family, and pop that high end, safe cracking burglarizing motherfucker between the eyes on the first shot so he can't sqeeze off any back at the family.
Yup, you're scenarios and sound reasoning will hold true with all those individuals given the right to bear arms some 220 some years ago when the American government was still in it's infancy. The world and this country are exactly the same today as it was then, and the framers knew the world would act as it does today.
Or, if one looks at REAL statistics and uses recent history to frame the outcome of the wished for flood of handguns, one might conclude that the increase of more handguns within Chicago at least, will be comprised mostly of shitty gang banger style weapons sold by worthless shithead type fly by night gun store owners, and sold to shitheads in shithead hoods to protect the 250.00 rent-a-center stereo, their 300.00 27" RCA LCD TV and their WII from their next door neighbor who heard them bragging about the new "piece" they just bought.
We may also get to meet the 40 yr old drunken polack up in 016 who thinks the constitutional "right" to bear arms includes the right to carry one on his person while sideswiping an entire block of cars down the street from where he lives, we'll get to meet that guy as he takes out his hatred for how the cops cost him money and his job for DUI'ing him twice a year. That's the guy I want to kill for pointing his legally obtained and held handgun at me in a drunken stupor.
SCC, as you claim you're the police, and to all those other cops out here who read this blog, you've already got your fuckin guns to carry around and protect your family. Your worries about that should be over since you got your gun. Don't worry about other people's rights to carry guns moron's because it's only gonna cause us MORE FUCKING problems in this city. This ain't podunk where the idiots have been carrying guns since the inception of guns and could care less about them. This if fucking CHICAGO, where just enough people are champing at the bit to get a fucking gun and will NEVER safeguard it against theft. This is also fucking CHICAGO, where home invasions are the LEAST of our violence problems and therefore those extra guns will mean NOTHING to reduce crime.
You idiot's seem to equate being able to keep a gun in your house with being able to conceal carry it in public. Wake the fuck up, average joe aint' NEVER gonna get the right to carry it on the street where you claim it will make "all the difference in the world" in reducing violent crime.
Read a few more case reports than your own and learn to seem the common thread. Or at least watch the fucking news and check WHERE the fuck this violent crime occurs, and then ask yourself, if we let these idiots keep guns in their home, is it gonna stop the bullet from hitting the shithead standing on the street, sitting in his car or eating at White Castle?
I'll save you the time, it fucking won't do shit, but give the shithead burglars something else to look for when they're busy rumaging around their their neighbor's house for shit to steal.
You got your guns, be happy with that because anything else matters not to us, except for the privilege of having to increase the tension levels even more on every traffic stop looking for the fuckhead who thinks he's got a right to carry.
6/28/2008 12:36:00 AM
Brass is out of control. THAT would make an interesting story on O'Reilly, just to show how stupid these supervisors are.
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Carrying Concealed.... (Some sensible reasoning...)
I don’t carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don’t carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry.
I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life
hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy.
I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.
I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don’t carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it
meaningful to me.
“Police Protection” is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too damn old to take an ass kickin’.(my emphasis)
"Be who you are and say what you feel....Because those that matter....don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter. "
OT
So I hear capt Rozell put in her papers. She's been on the medical with some sort of illnes and not looking good. I have more than five years but less then ten on this job and have worked for her the majority of the time.
I have heard quite a few stories of this capt. Some that were eye openers, and some kinda comical. In the time I have worked for her I have been given a few lectures from her, mostly in my early days. I can say that she has bad "people" skills. But all in all, I personally have nothing bad to say about the woman. Agian i wasn't present or on the job when I've heard what I've heard. And I'm sure there are some other stories or experiences that others have lived. So keep the basing to a minimal.
As far as I know, she was never married and has no kids. A few nephews and neices that I know of, and her mother that is still living. Pretty much her life was the cpd. I often heard someone ask "capt when u hanging it up"? Her reply "now what would I do with my life"? I can only hope i never get to the point where all I have is work, but to here this was the case.
I know some have some personal feelings about a lot of people on this job, and do a great job of expressing themselves here on this blog. But thats what this is for, to vent, and share ideas. But as Capt Rozell, or "Queen Bee" as some have called her, is being eaten away by some awfull ilness, have some dignity, class, and some good old fashioned respect and keep the comments (bad one's) to ones self. If you should be one of the p.o.'s she's wronged, its in the past, she can't do it anymore. Besides, there are a lot more people on this job that are wronging you and I everyday from the blue shirt all the way to the top.
Take care Capt
723/007 midnights
I sure hope that you do not expect your family to be treated with any respect from anyone in the dept., cause it ain't gonna happen.
6/28/2008 12:36:00 AM
............................................ Hope the kid sullvan gets back on but no car was ordered to be there and mars lights were on because it’s a busy street and don’t want to be struck by motorist.
Never ordered anyone into house.
Interesting....
City Hall's reliance on CPS to participate in its gun control efforts seems to have moved from the rhetorical to the legal and financial. From a reader: "The CPS law department was directed by the Office of the Mayor to support its efforts in filing a major and very expensive brief in the case involving Washington DC's hand gun ban.I have attached the brief. [here PDF] I am told we paid half of the costs involved in filing this brief. Some of us were amazed when we saw the brief that CPS would spend this kind of money for something that was really outside of the educational area.I have not seen the bill for the brief, but expect it cost CPS and the City jointly at least $30,000."
This was in Catalyst Chicago, go there for the full PDF
Off topic:
Could the supervisors who keep insisting that we need probable cause to complete a contact card please remove your heads from your asses? Thank you.
I'll tell you what kid, when you get sued by the guy who claims his civil rights were violated and unlawfully stopped and searched and you turn in your CC with no PC, you will wish you listened to that supervisor......
4:45 am
Technically, your supervisors are correct. Information collection of a citizen must be based on criminal activity/precedence. Be careful how you write them. Just ask Denver PD, San Fran PD, and Oakland PD. Google search "spy" programs for each department. They each paid a heavy price for not knowing the law.
Trip to Cabela's this week! I know there are better deals but its such a cool store. Guns for everyone!
Anonymous said...
Off topic:
Could the supervisors who keep insisting that we need probable cause to complete a contact card please remove your heads from your asses? Thank you.
6/28/2008 04:45:00 AM
Please let me know the names of these mushes! They think you need PC to have a conversation with someone? Merit at its finest.
"Next, storing the guns in safes is a great idea and everyone should do so, but I know for a fact that most policemen don't have them, including myself. Why? because policemen are cheap! The big hundred plus pound safes can be pricey. The everyday person who has one handgun is not going to spend additional $700-$1000 on a good safe."
Police may be cheap, but that is no excuse to leave your firearms laying around your house where anyone can get at them. For slightly over $100, you can pick up a GunVault gun safe, which allows instant access to handguns by means of a four digit code that you enter using your fingertips. You can even open it in the dark, in about one second. I've had one for over 10 years and would not be without one. You can store your wallet, cash, watches and other small valuables in there too. Check it out at
www.gunvault.com
Retired ISP
Anonymous said...
Off topic:
Could the supervisors who keep insisting that we need probable cause to complete a contact card please remove your heads from your asses? Thank you.
6/28/2008 04:45:00 AM
First: please don't blame the merit supervisors. Blame their instructors and the morons that promoted these wimps to supervisors.
Secondly: criteria required for a contact card: "if it
serves a useful police purpose"
Tell the yellow shirted supervisors to view the streaming video on the contact card information system.
P.S. to midway police; not for ambulance calls. (what a joke)
When are the libs going to figure it out that the bad guys are going to get guns no matter what. Obviously the gun laws in this city doesn't apply to them 'cause they keep on getting hit with UUW's. Home owners DO have to have responsibility where and how they store any weapon to keep the innocent out of harm's way.
more guns - more burglaries? possible, but also possibly - more dead burglars !!
"6/28/2008 11:21:00 AM"
You're in the wrong line of work.
I hear Mopra needs an assistant to wipe her ass.
anonymous said...
Off topic:
Could the supervisors who keep insisting that we need probable cause to complete a contact card please remove your heads from your asses? Thank you.
I'll tell you what kid, when you get sued by the guy who claims his civil rights were violated and unlawfully stopped and searched and you turn in your CC with no PC, you will wish you listened to that supervisor......
6/28/2008 03:39:00 PM
No, the first poster is right. An investigatory stop doesn't require probable cause, only reasonable suspicion. And if one is silly enough to document a "search" as opposed to "a protective pat-down" during what amounts to a Terry stop then one deserves to get sued. By the way, if you have PC that means you should arrest that person you stopped because the elements of a crime are present.
Of course, all this is separate from the issue that most contact cards contain narratives in which the truth is a casualty, or at least twisted into an unrecognizable shape. "Looking in car windows?" Yeah, right. "Loud noise disturbance?" Yeah, right. "Arguing with another M/1?" Please.
You'll love this:
this is what they're saying about y'all nationally:
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/06/26/arms-and-the-man/
*thought you'd like to know-*
Some civilian idiot left an cased M4 and a cased H&K 9mm pistol in open view in his unlocked SUV the other night in 020. I saw the fax message on it, I believe it was Tuesday night.
6/28/2008 11:21:00 AM post:
"....First off, if there were 3 million adults in Chicago legally allowed to keep handguns in their home, about 1000 even give a shit to buy one...."
Add two more zeros onto the ass end of that guesstimate, you might get close to the truth.
"Second, of those 1000, which ones do you think are buying the guns?....."
Question depends entirely upon your previous, and erroneous, assumption, thus is devoid of value, as is your fictional 'answer'.
"Yah, you're right, truthful logic is wrong, the yuppies and rich folk downtown and in the top north side neighborhoods are the ones who are gonna buy the cache of more guns than they can hold at one time so's to make that 2000.00 stand up gun safe or wall safe or anchored safe worth the investment....."
$500 to $900 max., depending upon size needed.
Exaggeration seems to be one of your few talents.
"Yup, you're scenarios and sound reasoning will hold true with all those individuals given the right to bear arms some 220 some years ago...."
Enumerated, oh poorly educated one, as God Given Rights, not 'given' by government.
"Or, if one looks at REAL statistics and uses recent history to frame the outcome of the wished for flood of handguns,........"
You sure are fond of the word 'shit', in all it's incarnations. Might this be indicative of a scat fetish?
".....That's the guy I want to kill for pointing his legally obtained and held handgun at me in a drunken stupor."
At least you've acknowledged that YOU have murder in your heart. Maybe YOU shouldn't be 'permitted' to keep and bear arms.
"SCC, as you claim you're the police,....."
Look who's calling the kettle black.....a Daley maggot.
"You idiot's seem to equate being able to keep a gun in your house with being able to conceal carry it in public. Wake the fuck up, average joe aint' NEVER gonna get the right to carry it on the street where you claim it will make "all the difference in the world" in reducing violent crime."
We already know how you feel about this, richard, you don't have to continue making a fool out of yourself; that's been verified too many times before.
But, since the generous owners of this blog see fit to respect your 1st Amendment Rights to the extent of providing you with the means to share your opinions, however agenda-driven they are, with this site's patrons, please, tell us more.
"Read a few more case reports....."
Good idea. Try it sometimes.
"I'll save you the time....."
Thanks, but I always have the time to think for myself. Kind of you to make the offer.
"You got your guns, be happy with that because anything else matters not to us,...."
'us', being who? The group of mealy mouthed motherfuckers you hang with?
Is this new gun rights development really gonna put that much of a dent in your 'daley' activities?
More guns = less burglars.
"We have a Constitutional RIGHT to keep and bear arms that they can't take away. It's every bit as important a right as free speech. Kiss my ass liberal commie shit bags. You can't destroy the country yet.
6/28/2008 04:05:00 AM"
It's a GOD GIVEN RIGHT, enumerated in our constitution.
There is a difference.
For your own good, if your house is burglarized, be sure to say your gun(s)were unloaded, and were in a safe, or secured by that cable lock the department issued.
And about writing down probable cause on a contact card...
"They think you need PC to have a conversation with someone? Merit at its finest.
6/28/2008 04:01:00 PM"..
Hi, how-are-ya, now start asking identifying questions, doing a patdown and writing it all down you better have some kind of PC to save you from headaches later.
"
Could the supervisors who keep insisting that we need probable cause to complete a contact card please remove your heads from your asses? Thank you.
**Well you can't just randomly pluck someone off the street to complete a contact card. There has to be a reason for the contact duh. You do need probable cause.
Hope the kid sullvan gets back on but no car was ordered to be there and mars lights were on because it’s a busy street and don’t want to be struck by motorist.
Never ordered anyone into house.
**I hope he sues and gets back on. Common sense... mars lights attract attention. The family was embarassed because neighbors came out of their houses to see what was going on and since when do we terminate a recruit at home at 8pm instead of 8am while he is at the academy. If he would have been terminated at the academy NONE of this would have happened. His father still serves this department after 31 years. No Respect!!!!
Regarding gun safes here is the best sales pitch given to me years ago.First,yes coppers are cheap,there are also alot of guys and gals that dont make big moola on this job too.
Pitch:"whats the most expensive gun you own?"
Me:"um...about $1200."
Pitch:"so you will spend $1200 on one pistol but not the same or more to protect your firearm collection and other valuables."
Sound logic to me..I bought the safe.Bolt it to the floor or wall.Minimum weight often quoted by security folks is 1000lbs;this deters most amatures and those on the prowl&dash.A pro crew will have a big enough dolly to handle up to 1000lbs.
Put in basement(if feasible) in corner if you have one.Gives safe more protection in a fire,easier for firefighters to locate and get hose on it.
Even a smaller safe for $500-700 cab be bolted to floor/wall in a small closet,will normally deter the average shitbag.
Those sheet-metal security Homak style "safes" will keep snooping youngsters out and the average grab and run guy,but not someone with a prybar.
Hope this primer helps.
Off topic:
Could the supervisors who keep insisting that we need probable cause to complete a contact card please remove your heads from your asses? Thank you.
I'll tell you what kid, when you get sued by the guy who claims his civil rights were violated and unlawfully stopped and searched and you turn in your CC with no PC, you will wish you listened to that supervisor......
6/28/2008 03:39:00 PM
Here is the reason they got jammed up...
it was revealed that for decades the Denver Police Department (DPD) Intelligence Bureau had been conducting surveillance and keeping criminal intelligence files on activists engaged in constitutionally protected expressive activities. These files recorded, among other things, membership in organizations, attendance at demonstrations, expressed opinions, car license numbers, vehicle descriptions, physical descriptions of individuals, and addresses of private residences. While labeling groups and individuals as criminal and attaching the label criminal extremist to some files, the bureau recorded no facts connected with criminal activity.
The completion of a contact card does not violate 28CFR Part 23, the consent decree was due to the keeping of "intelligence files".
The contact card, regardless of what that half-wit Bond told the papers, is not based on probable cause. It's based on a contact with a citizen. That's all. As long as it's not entered into an file on that person, based on a constitutionally protected activity, the officer is not violating any law.
Could the supervisors who keep insisting that we need probable cause to complete a contact card please remove your heads from your asses? Thank you.
6/28/2008 04:45:00 AM
EXACTLY!
For any legal minded person out there reading this...correct me if I'm wrong, but why are officers continuing to make contact cards after a motorist is ticketed? If one of my daughters received a ticket and was then put in the "hopper" with our common jagoffs, I would be pissed and so should you. Where is the ACLU when you need them?
The country was only one USSC vote away from loosing a specified constitutional right! If you have time to rant about things take time to write & call your Senators and Representatives Re; the 2nd amendment. Don't sit on the sidelines. Let them know what the country is really thinking. They really do listen and will respond.
Encourage your family to do it. Try it you'll like it.
DEFINITION: Retirement from the CPD.
Getting off the Titanic before it sailed from Southampton.
dont stop anyone and you will not have to worry about a contact card... Can i get an ev # for taking a piss?
723/007 midnights
6/28/2008 01:34:00 PM
Captain Mary Rozell, what a joke. She isn't fit to be the janitor in a police facility, but she is a Captain. She is a mean spirited, nasty and crazy woman. She abused her power, and you are wrong, she does not have bad people skills, she has NO people skills. She belittles people, now she is being belittled. Karma is a bitch.
I just watched America s Most Wanted,after watching that show even the most liberal prick must want to lock all the doors and buy the biggest gun he can carry.Most of the time nobody can help you but yourself.Like it or not.
SCC, as you claim you're the police, and to all those other cops out here who read this blog, you've already got your fuckin guns to carry around and protect your family. Your worries about that should be over since you got your gun. **************
Um, you idiot-maybe they are worried about their families while they are at home alone. Just cuz no one ever fought for you don't be bitter when you see other people fighting for others.
Technically, your supervisors are correct. Information collection of a citizen must be based on criminal activity/precedence. Be careful how you write them. Just ask Denver PD, San Fran PD, and Oakland PD. Google search "spy" programs for each department. They each paid a heavy price for not knowing the law.
6/28/2008 03:42:00 PM
Technically, your supervisors are not correct. The contact card is different from an intelligence file because it is not based on criminal predicate, but just a contact with the police. This is the type of training that should be covered in TARA or in-service. It should be a class at the academy also.
You do NOT need PC to engage in a Terry Stop. Terry stop = When an officer has reasonable suspicion to believe a crime has been or is about to be committed. PC is when you can articulate that a crime has been committed and you want to make an arrest.
You can complete a CC on a Terry Stop. Get it straight white shirts it was on the test. Merit promos take notice.
P.S. to midway police; not for ambulance calls. (what a joke)
6/28/2008 04:45:00 PM
This is exactly what they are for. Recording contacts with people that are not recorded on other forms. What is so hard about this? It's for bystanders at crime scenes, family members that are not listed at witnesses. All the people that we used to list in our notepads go on contact cards.
Anyone know if protesters will be present when Daley blasts all that polution into the air again at the Taste Fireworks night on July 3rd? Smoke, sulfur, carbon monoxide, magnesium, carcenogens, etc; galore, but of course, the liberal hypocrites won't protest this, because this is Commie-Town. Daley will probably blame the pollution on Milwaukee again.
(OT) Now that midway is open citywide for overtime why is it that we have all the dics and d-3 security specialists allowed to put in? WTF! Hey Supt they make lots of extra money in overtime now they will take from the lowly patrolmaen again and again why not make the program for D-1 only? The fatass dics barely fit in the uniforms anyway maybe they could buy some new items? HEY FLOP ARE YOU THERE? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
Anonymous said...
OT -
Why where there two FBI agents attending Automated Arrest class on Thursday?
Who gave them PC#'s to logon with?
What reason do we need to have two FBI agents who are NOT part of J-Frauds City crew learning the automated system?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
6/28/2008 12:31:00 AM
Now what more indictments for bullshit on this shit dept.?
Whomever is posting the Butte Montana story, go run it through Snopes.com. It's a BS story - never happened.
So although we appreciate you're trying to garner support for gun rights by quoting a "real life" scenario, quoting a non existent occurrence doesn't really help.
There are plenty of other occasions where a person keeping and bearing arms saved lives. NRA.com has hundreds if not thousands of such stories, each verifiably true.
Thanks
ahahahahaha! what an idiot!
http://drewpeterson1.blogspot.com/
No, the first poster is right. An investigatory stop doesn't require probable cause, only reasonable suspicion. And if one is silly enough to document a "search" as opposed to "a protective pat-down" during what amounts to a Terry stop then one deserves to get sued. By the way, if you have PC that means you should arrest that person you stopped because the elements of a crime are present.
Of course, all this is separate from the issue that most contact cards contain narratives in which the truth is a casualty, or at least twisted into an unrecognizable shape. "Looking in car windows?" Yeah, right. "Loud noise disturbance?" Yeah, right. "Arguing with another M/1?" Please.
Wrong, your stop does need pc, your pc IS BASED on reasonable suspicion that a crime, did occur, or is about to occur; just because you have pc for a stop does not mean there is pc for an arrest, that is why we are preliminary investigators, must be a John Marshall grad....
Wrong, your stop does need pc, your pc IS BASED on reasonable suspicion that a crime, did occur, or is about to occur; just because you have pc for a stop does not mean there is pc for an arrest, that is why we are preliminary investigators, must be a John Marshall grad....
6/29/2008 12:47:00 AM
You must have not graduated AT ALL
Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard in United States law that a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity based on specific and articulable facts and inferences. It is the basis for an investigatory or Terry stop by the police and requires less evidence than probable cause, the legal requirement for arrests and warrants. Reasonable suspicion is evaluated using the "reasonable person" or "reasonable officer" standard, in which said person in the same circumstances could reasonably believe a person has been, is, or is about to be, engaged in criminal activity; such suspicion is not a mere hunch. Police may also, based solely on reasonable suspicion of a threat to safety, frisk a suspect for weapons, but not for contraband like drugs. A combination of particular facts, even if each is individually innocuous, can form the basis of reasonable suspicion.
Wrong, your stop does need pc, your pc IS BASED on reasonable suspicion that a crime, did occur, or is about to occur; just because you have pc for a stop does not mean there is pc for an arrest, that is why we are preliminary investigators, must be a John Marshall grad....
6/29/2008 12:47:00 AM
Looks like you my friend are wrong...I think you need to go to John Marshall........
US v. Cortez, 449 US 411 (1981)-A vehicle can be stopped based on reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred, not just a traffic offense.
Wrong, your stop does need pc, your pc IS BASED on reasonable suspicion that a crime, did occur, or is about to occur; just because you have pc for a stop does not mean there is pc for an arrest, that is why we are preliminary investigators, must be a John Marshall grad....
6/29/2008 12:47:00 AM
US v. Cortez, 449 US 411 (1981)-A vehicle can be stopped based on reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred, not just a traffic offense.
Terry v. Ohio, 392 US 1(1968)-An officer can briefly detain a person, based upon reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, long enough to dispel the suspicion or to allow it to rise to the level of probable cause for an arrest. The officer is also permitted to do a limited "frisk" search of the person without a warrant. Before the officer can frisk search the subject, he must:
Have articulable facts that the person could be armed with a weapon.
Limit the search to pat searching the outer garments of the suspect to feel for objects that might be weapons.
Only reach inside the clothing after feeling such objects.
This should help with the contact card issue:
Police-citizen encounters
Consensual
At any time, a peace officer may approach a person and ask questions. The objective may simply be a friendly conversation; however, the officer also may suspect involvement in a crime, but lack “specific and articulable facts”[2] that would justify a detention or arrest, and hope to obtain these facts from the questioning. The person approached is not required to identify herself or answer any other questions, and may leave at any time.[3] A person can usually determine whether the interaction is consensual by asking, “Am I free to go?”
Wrong, your stop does need pc, your pc IS BASED on reasonable suspicion that a crime, did occur, or is about to occur; just because you have pc for a stop does not mean there is pc for an arrest, that is why we are preliminary investigators, must be a John Marshall grad....
6/29/2008 12:47:00 AM
By this answer.....You haven't even mastered the preliminary investigator thing!
**Well you can't just randomly pluck someone off the street to complete a contact card. There has to be a reason for the contact duh. You do need probable cause.
6/28/2008 08:08:00 PM
No you don't dickhead.
I learned somethinga long time ago. If you don't know something then shut the fuck up or else you sound like a mush. I cringe to think how many minds you've corrupted with stupidty.
anonymous said...
Wrong, your stop does need pc, your pc IS BASED on reasonable suspicion that a crime, did occur, or is about to occur; just because you have pc for a stop does not mean there is pc for an arrest, that is why we are preliminary investigators, must be a John Marshall grad....
6/29/2008 12:47:00 AM
You are a blithering idiot.
For those of you who do not have a GED or attended Jerry Lewis Univ:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.so lets make these people police officers.
If you think it might get you in trouble, just call a Sgt. for clarification, or just don't do it. If ya don't know, ya just don't know. Be safe, not sorry, find out first.
You do NOT need PC to engage in a Terry Stop. Terry stop = When an officer has reasonable suspicion to believe a crime has been or is about to be committed. PC is when you can articulate that a crime has been committed and you want to make an arrest.
You can complete a CC on a Terry Stop. Get it straight white shirts it was on the test. Merit promos take notice.
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All true, BUT the facts should be articulated in the narrative of the CC. That seldom occurs
6/28/2008 11:20:00 PM
Terry v. Ohio, 392 US 1(1968
...The officer is also permitted to do a limited "frisk" search of the person without a warrant. Before the officer can frisk search the subject, he must:
Have articulable facts that the person could be armed with a weapon.
Limit the search to pat searching the outer garments of the suspect to feel for objects that might be weapons.
Only reach inside the clothing after feeling such objects.
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And there is the rub, too many of you believe that a pat-down can aoways be done incident to a Terry stop.
Ok, to clarify, a CC must document the nexis between the contact and a lawful police purpose. Passenger in vehicle stopped for traffic offense (weak), subject involved in verbal altercation on street (should be worded better), Loitering in known narcotics area (weak, needs more, such as listing actions that indicate may be involved in narcotic activity)
Always keep in mind if you document even the slightest of criminal activity and no case report generated (whether or not victim cooperates) you have entered the jackpot. I will reutrn any of these cards any day to be fixed. My job is to keep you out of the jackpot and, no, I am not merit. In reality cc's are easy don't require pc or even rs, a cc does not always result in a Terry stop. To restate the first line, you need to document a nexis between the contact and a lawful police purpose. Training has ended
Only reach inside the clothing after feeling such objects.
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and what can be considered a weapon??
a roll of quarters,a cellphone, a lighter anything that can enhance ones physical ability to commit a battery against you? correct? to me a cellphone bounced off my face could be a painful thing and also having it kept in a fist to make someones fist solid?
For any legal minded person out there reading this...correct me if I'm wrong, but why are officers continuing to make contact cards after a motorist is ticketed?
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RELAX! There is nothing wrong with that.
(OT) Now that midway is open citywide for overtime why is it that we have all the dics and d-3 security specialists allowed to put in?
Its called "SENIORITY" officer,
maybe someday you'll have some.
Do "YOU" have any idea what this poor patrolman makes as a D-3 over 30 for working 2 days a month at the airport?It's a hardship I tell you,a real hardship!And now that MDW opened up I think I just won the lotto!
Anonymous said...
(OT) Now that midway is open citywide for overtime why is it that we have all the dics and d-3 security specialists allowed to put in? WTF! Hey Supt they make lots of extra money in overtime now they will take from the lowly patrolmaen again and again why not make the program for D-1 only? The fatass dics barely fit in the uniforms anyway maybe they could buy some new items? HEY FLOP ARE YOU THERE? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
6/29/2008 12:04:00 AM
Good idea your right the D-3 guys who are mayors and ed burkes pets already make 15-30K more per year the dics some up to 75K in overtime alone I agree!
"and what can be considered a weapon??
a roll of quarters,a cellphone, a lighter anything that can enhance ones physical ability to commit a battery against you? correct? to me a cellphone bounced off my face could be a painful thing and also having it kept in a fist to make someones fist solid?
6/29/2008 01:31:00 PM"
I suppose, for you, if someone gets a hard-on while you're patting him down, you'd consider that a deadly weapon?
(Keesing Bandit, that's your cue.)
Anonymous said...
OT -
The Sgt. that works in Personnel,
R.G. should be embarassed of himself and his actions.
He went to the "situp" kids house at 2200hrs to serve him with termination papers.
Went with two marked district cars, ordered mars lights to be on the entire time, ordered the PO's to go into the home with him.
Told the kid, " You will NEVER be the police anywhere if I have any say so!"
What a stroke. This kid is the son of a PO with 31 yrs on the job and you just had to treat this family that way? Your a pompus ass.
All that for a situp?
I sure hope that you do not expect your family to be treated with any respect from anyone in the dept., cause it ain't gonna happen.
6/28/2008 12:36:00 AM
Sgt. RG embarassed the recruit and his father for nothing. Every recruit fired was terminated by the ADS and LT man-to-man. Why the change for this recruit? Another sit up recruit fired Friday. Standards are necessary and must be maintained. But show respect or some basic decency when firing a recruit. Why go to his home late at night? Why this recruit? So sad.
Anonymous said...
For those of you who do not have a GED or attended Jerry Lewis Univ:
That is funny. GED and Jerry Lewis University. Sam thing. LOL
Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court which held that the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not violated when a police officer stops a suspect on the street and searches him without probable cause to arrest, if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.
For their own protection, police may perform a quick surface search of the person’s outer clothing for weapons if they have reasonable suspicion that the person stopped is armed. This reasonable suspicion must be based on “specific and articulable facts” and not merely upon an officer's hunch. This permitted police action has subsequently been referred to in short as a “stop and frisk”, or simply a “Terry stop”. The Terry standard was later extended to temporary detentions of persons in vehicles, known as traffic stops.
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The key is specific and articulable facts. You have to be able to explain why you did what you did. This explanation must sound reasonable, and be acceptable by a reasonable person (juror or perhaps a judge, or any finder of facts).
These facts are readily available in a law book or on a million places on the web. Please stop telling the world how we do things. Lawyers, reverends and other assorted bottom feeders read this site. Stop giving them ammo.
Street Sgt.
*Well you can't just randomly pluck someone off the street to complete a contact card. There has to be a reason for the contact duh. You do need probable cause.
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It is better to close ones mouth and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.
dumbfuck
What's with all the long winded comments? I get bored after a few sentences and move on...
Anonymous said...
(OT) Now that midway is open citywide for overtime why is it that we have all the dics and d-3 security specialists allowed to put in?
Its called "SENIORITY" officer,
maybe someday you'll have some.
Do "YOU" have any idea what this poor patrolman makes as a D-3 over 30 for working 2 days a month at the airport?It's a hardship I tell you,a real hardship!And now that MDW opened up I think I just won the lotto!
6/29/2008 03:30:00 PM
Yes and burkes D-3 guys work 2 on 3 off who is that timekeeper?
"What's with all the long winded comments? I get bored after a few sentences and move on...
6/29/2008 08:39:00 PM"
The only people who get bored are the boring people.
At least you're just barely intelligent enough to recognize your intellectual limitations.
"Why the change for this recruit? Another sit up recruit fired Friday. Standards are necessary and must be maintained. But show respect or some basic decency when firing a recruit. Why go to his home late at night? Why this recruit? So sad.
6/29/2008 07:53:00 PM"
Because of this blog.
These arrogant fucks still think that they can intimidate.
The beauty of it all is that they are the ones being intimidated by the rock lifting this blog is making possible.
The purchase of adult diapers has recently increased exponentially.
Thanks to SCC and it's generous readers/commentors.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
OT -
The Sgt. that works in Personnel,
R.G. should be embarassed of himself and his actions.
He went to the "situp" kids house at 2200hrs to serve him with termination papers.
Went with two marked district cars, ordered mars lights to be on the entire time, ordered the PO's to go into the home with him.
Told the kid, " You will NEVER be the police anywhere if I have any say so!"
What a stroke. This kid is the son of a PO with 31 yrs on the job and you just had to treat this family that way? Your a pompus ass.
All that for a situp?
I sure hope that you do not expect your family to be treated with any respect from anyone in the dept., cause it ain't gonna happen.
6/28/2008 12:36:00 AM
Sgt. RG embarassed the recruit and his father for nothing. Every recruit fired was terminated by the ADS and LT man-to-man. Why the change for this recruit? Another sit up recruit fired Friday. Standards are necessary and must be maintained. But show respect or some basic decency when firing a recruit. Why go to his home late at night? Why this recruit? So sad.
6/29/2008 07:53:00 PM
Maybe he should become more fit and retake the test. And pass the situp test.
Quit your whinning.
Then ask the guys from 013 who took time and sued for an alleged illegal stop, no CC done..... they may enlighten you, just make sure you have PC on yer stops!
REGARDING TERRY STOPS, REASONABLE SUSPICION ETC...ALL THE LAWYERS CHIMING IN PLEASE LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS AT: P.O.S.COM (Piece Of Shit.com)...THAT IS ALL..!!
The Keesing Bandit says---
Sometimes when I pat someone down, I find myself growing an extra weapon.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
Maybe he should become more fit and retake the test. And pass the situp test.
Quit your whinning.
6/30/2008 12:45:00 AM
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Hey Ray, quit defending your actions.
Kid DID all the situps. Some F/1 just didn't count them all!
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