Bad Informant
Happens all the time. But in this litigious atmosphere and the City more than willing to give away taxpayers money without a second thought, this is the result:
- Cops say they were looking for drugs, club members say they were looking for trouble. CBS[...] reports on a surveillance tape at the center of a multimillion dollar lawsuit alleging police misconduct.
It happened at La Familia Motorcycle social club on the city's Northwest Side on the night of May 30. Members said the club was full when police barged in.
It's a building with no markings, no windows on the ground floor, no indication that it houses the La Familia Motorcycle social club, whose members were inside celebrating someone's birthday, when police arrived with a warrant searching for drugs.
We assume in these knee-jerk reactionary times, the Superintendent will immediately disband the SWAT High Risk Entry Team along with whatever specialized unit that initiated the raid, then name another Fed to a newly created high paying spot created just for them.
It's the Chicago way.
It's the Chicago way.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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ya well, talk to the C.I.......
That's nice.
I had an on duty traffic crash. Dick ran stop sign, i had right of way. I am suing him; I encourage all to take similar action.
There just so happens to be an Illinois case on point: Ybarra v. Illinois 444 U.S. 85 (1979)
444 U.S. 85
YBARRA v. ILLINOIS.
APPEAL FROM THE APPELLATE COURT OF ILLINOIS, SECOND DISTRICT.
No. 78-5937.
Argued October 9, 1979.
Decided November 28, 1979.
On the strength of a complaint for a search warrant based on an informant's statements that he had observed tinfoil packets on the person of a bartender and behind the bar at a certain tavern and that he had been advised by the bartender that the latter would have heroin for sale on a certain date, a judge of an Illinois state court issued a warrant authorizing the search of the tavern and the person of the bartender for "evidence of the offense of possession of a controlled substance." Upon entering the tavern to execute the warrant, police officers announced their purpose and advised those present that they were going to conduct a "cursory search for weapons." The officer who searched the customers felt what he described as "a cigarette pack with objects in it" in his first patdown of appellant, one of the customers. The officer did not then remove this pack from appellant's pocket but, after patting down other customers, returned to appellant, frisked him again, retrieved the cigarette pack from his pants pocket, and found inside it six tinfoil packets containing heroin. After appellant was indicted for unlawful possession of a controlled substance, he filed a pretrial motion to suppress the contraband seized from his person at the tavern. The trial court denied the motion, finding that the search had been conducted under the authority of an Illinois statute which empowers law enforcement officers executing a search warrant to detain and search any person found on the premises in order to protect themselves from attack or to prevent the disposal or concealment of anything described in the warrant. Appellant was convicted, and the Illinois Appellate Court affirmed, holding that the Illinois statute was not unconstitutional in its application to the facts of this case.
Held:
The searches of appellant and the seizure of what was in his pocket contravened the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments. Pp. 90-96.
(a) When the search warrant was issued the authorities had no probable cause to believe that any person found in the tavern, aside from the bartender, would be violating the law. The complaint for the warrant did not allege that the tavern was frequented by persons illegally purchasing drugs or that the informant had ever seen a patron of the tavern purchase drugs from the bartender or any other person. [444 U.S. 85, 86] And probable cause to search appellant was still absent when the police executed the warrant; upon entering the tavern, the police did not recognize appellant and had no reason to believe that he had committed, was committing, or was about to commit any offense. The police did possess a warrant based on probable cause to search the tavern where appellant happened to be when the warrant was executed, but a person's mere propinquity to others independently suspected of criminal activity does not, without more, give rise to probable cause to search that person. Sibron v. New York, 392 U.S. 40, 62 -63. Although the warrant gave the officers authority to search the premises and the bartender, it gave them no authority to invade the constitutional protections possessed individually by the tavern's customers. Pp. 90-92.
(b) Nor was the action of the police constitutionally permissible on the theory that the first search of appellant constituted a reasonable frisk for weapons under the doctrine of Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 , and yielded probable cause to believe that appellant was carrying narcotics, thus justifying the second search for which no warrant was required in light of the exigencies of the situation coupled with the ease with which appellant could have disposed of the illegal substance. A reasonable belief that a person is armed and presently dangerous must form the predicate to a patdown of the person for weapons. Here, the State is unable to articulate any specific fact that would have justified a police officer at the scene in even suspecting that appellant was armed and dangerous. Pp. 92-93.
(c) The Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments will not be construed to permit evidence searches of persons who, at the commencement of the search, are on "compact" premises subject to a search warrant, even where the police have a "reasonable belief" that such persons "are connected with" drug trafficking and "may be concealing or carrying away the contraband." Cf. United States v. Di Re, 332 U.S. 581 . Pp. 94-96.
58 Ill. App. 3d 57, 373 N. E. 2d 1013, reversed and remanded.
STEWART, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BRENNAN, WHITE, MARSHALL, POWELL, and STEVENS, JJ., joined. BURGER, C. J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which BLACKMUN and REHNQUIST, JJ., joined, post, p. 96. REHNQUIST, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which BURGER, C. J., and BLACKMUN, J., joined, post, p. 98.
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The upper half of all the white shirts need tobe replaced again!
Public reading this blog...
I don't agree with half of this blog's postings; but look at them? How many posting, even the ones that you know are bulshit, have you seen that say: Hey, lets "raid" a biker club that probably has cameras, that is totally legit, and make some stuff up on them so that we may lock the people (who we do not know0 up for some falsely percieved vendeta. It doesn't happen. In the climate we are in right now, do you really think that some guys are going to raid a "Biker" bar and try something illegal? Come on. Give us some credit....
How could it be the SWAT guys fault when they are only enforcement.
Is that club a La Familia Stone hang out? The name sounds Familia.
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- laughs (hahahaha)
Ok Ok not so funny. I'll work on some more stuff on the other posts.
Holy Sanctuary City Batman!!!
Speaking of entitlement- in a non racial sense? Is the La Familia Motorcycle social club membership primarily American citizens? More pressure to make arrests no doubt due to a activity demands from a boss...here’s some video for you to watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds&feature=related
Our sanctuary actions in protecting illegal foreign nationals exposes this city to liability for every crime committed by any illegal foreign national.
Fellow officers next time a citizen is injured, harmed or killed by an illegal foreign national. Tell the victim or their families that they can as American citizens file a suit against the city seeking punitive damages against Da Mayor and each Alderman for adopting illegal policies.
From the article, sounds like everything was done by the book. So what do the good citizens do? Sue the police. Why not? They found contraband in there. So what? Sue anyway. The city will pay.
Why SHOULDN'T somebody sue if they're wronged? People get killed in these kind of raids. Why should anybody just shrug off having guns pointed at them and being cuffed when they weren't committing a crime?
Get it right or don't do it. Otherwise expect to get sued.
They go into a gang bangers haven and now this! Lets see how fast eddie burke and his committee gives away millions as the weak always give our money away! Let a copper need an mri or claim settled you wait forever! What will j-fed do? probably like scc stated dump this unit also! Another reason to stop looking for guns and drugs why bother? Maybe they will do like they are doing to the saint John Burge and the retired dec's, after 30 years drag the swat guys (who are still living) into a grand jury yea thats the ticket! What a bunch of jagoffs at the top!
WHO CARES IF THEY HAVE DRUGS!? Is is really worth it? The people have spoken. They don't want to be policed. You can only police people as much as they want to be policed. If they want to do drugs in their clubhouse, WHO CARES? Is it worth the headaches anymore?
Illegals have more rights than you do now. Let it be. It's what they want, so let them have it. Why get upset over this? Write a report and be done with it. Let them have the city that Da Mayor wants. Little Mexico up Norte. We'll look as bad as it does at the border towns soon enough. Protect your family and home. That's it. Besides, when Obama wins, drungs will be legal.
Informant was legit, SW was legit, entry was legit. Attorneys do what they're paid to, in this case reach out to media and make a lot of allegations (strip searches, no warrant) that simply aren't true, trying to shake 30 N. LaSalle's Money Tree. Hope the city fights them tooth & nail this time.
For better of worse, who ordered the raid on the 2514 W. Fullerton Ave. location in 014?
Why SHOULDN'T somebody sue if they're wronged? People get killed in these kind of raids. Why should anybody just shrug off having guns pointed at them and being cuffed when they weren't committing a crime?
Get it right or don't do it. Otherwise expect to get sued.
6/12/2008 06:16:00 AM
Jon Loevy reads this blog.
OT I hear the city is trying to make it where they don't have to pay for the legal fees of Burge and the other guys involved with him. That sure will drain some pockets. The strain may make some guys to cut a deal if they know anything. I know that the city has to cover you for things done while on the job. But if these guys lied to the feds. they lied to them AFTER they retired from the job which would mean that the city DOES NOT have to pay.
SHIT MAY HIT THE FAN
Anonymous said...
They go into a gang bangers haven and now this! Lets see how fast eddie burke and his committee gives away millions
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as long as Burke gets to use his plaintiff attys!
Cant you all see the scam?! We do work, we get sued, Machine atty gets paid, kick backs made, tax payers loose money, and on and on.....
I hate saying this but stop working. All it can lead to is law suits, complaints and a bunch of sleepless nights over BS. The Mayor, J-Fed, the citizens do not want you doing your job. So stop. Protect your own and let G-d sort out the rest.
From the article, sounds like everything was done by the book. So what do the good citizens do? Sue the police. Why not? They found contraband in there. So what? Sue anyway. The city will pay.
DRUGS AND A GUN FOUND....AND THEY HAD A SEARCH WARRANT SIGNED BY A JUDGE. WTF IS THE PROBLEM??
If the allegations in the Tribune article are correct, and surveillance cameras were pointed towards the ceiling once noticed by the POs, this one is money in the pockets for the plaintiffs.
If the police were on the up and up, the public will not accept it once they see the police pointing cameras in a manner so as to specifically not record the scene.
Simple as that.
Why SHOULDN'T somebody sue if they're wronged? People get killed in these kind of raids. Why should anybody just shrug off having guns pointed at them and being cuffed when they weren't committing a crime?
Get it right or don't do it. Otherwise expect to get sued.
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Another clueless civilian posing as a police officer? I love when people who know absolutely nothing about how to do my job, tell me how to do it. Do you tell your doctor how to operate on you? How about telling the weatherman the forecast for the week? Your lawyer how to write the closing papers on your house? The chef at the restaurant how to cook your food? My point is I'm sick of people that have had no training, and have no idea, despite their insistance that they really do, how to do my job, and tell me everyday I'm doing it wrong. These same people are never willing to put on a uniform and deal with the ignorance, intoxication, and violence I see everyday, nor do they want the job to make an effort to change things from the inside. But don't worry, I'll continue to respond to my calls and help those that are truely innocent (eldery, handicapp, children) each day, but don't think I'm going to continue looking twice at you, or stop for you because you need directions. After all if I tell you the wrong directions, and you don't get there on time (you've been wronged and I wasn't right), then by your above logic you should be able to sue me.
To: "They go into a gang bangers haven and now this! Lets see how fast eddie burke and his committee gives away millions as the weak always give our money away! Let a copper need an mri or claim settled you wait forever!"
Because fast eddie and company and the lawyers who front for the scum all belong to the same club, The American Trial Lawyers Association.
Any money changed hands here?
We should run a cop or firefighter against every alderman in the city. If nothing else it would get our issues heard; a few might even win and what fun that might cause.
We can start with
DANNYE WARD
in the 24th Ward.!
Get it right or don't do it. Otherwise expect to get sued.
6/12/2008 06:16:00 AM
You are NOT the Police. If you paid attention, it was done correctly. An informant gave sworn testimony for that search warrant in court so go sue the informant. Oh wait! He doesn't have any money so sue the enforcers, the Police for carrying the court order. Wake up, Idiot! You are the reason society is so screwed up.
IT WAS DONE RIGHT!!!
Why I'm not saying the Tribune is correct,their article states the raid included illegal strip searches of females patrons by male officers.
Holy Sanctuary City Batman!!!
Speaking of entitlement- in a non racial sense? Is the La Familia Motorcycle social club membership primarily American citizens? More pressure to make arrests no doubt due to a activity demands from a boss...here’s some video for you to watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds&feature=related
Hey junior, can you ever start a post sans the batman nonsense? What are you 12 ? You are getting to be as annoying as that Scotchbreath goof.
6:16am....
Fuck you liberal. Clearly you're not the police, so I'll simply say again...fuck you!
"Get it right or don't do it."
Yep, that is why arrests will be way down this year and criminal lawyers will be scratching around for business.
Welcome to the jungle.
The officers should have done their homework before going in. The should have checked the place first run a business search, license, all public information. How about some surviellance. Expected was a large shipment of drugs. You think that large shipment was going to be found in the underpants of the patrons?Cmon guys. Anyone who has ever done a real search warrant with a real CI knows how much work it takes. So who ever was the affiant, shame on them. By the way, two nickle bags of DRUGS does not equal a shipment. Pick any house in the ghetto and your bound to get at least that much. NOT GOOD WORK!!!!
Why SHOULDN'T somebody sue if they're wronged? People get killed in these kind of raids. Why should anybody just shrug off having guns pointed at them and being cuffed when they weren't committing a crime?
Get it right or don't do it. Otherwise expect to get sued.
6/12/2008 06:16:00 AM
Must be another troll.......
It was warrant, everybody should have been cuffed, anf of course my gun is out.
Why SHOULDN'T somebody sue if they're wronged? People get killed in these kind of raids. Why should anybody just shrug off having guns pointed at them and being cuffed when they weren't committing a crime?
Get it right or don't do it. Otherwise expect to get sued.
6/12/2008 06:16:00 AM
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You sir, are a moron. SWAT entered an unlicensed 'club' probably because there were supposed to be a lot of people as well as guns in the place. They werent even the affiants of the warrant because to my knowledge, SWAT does not write up warrants. They did the entry with their appropriate primary weapons (M4s) and secured everyone on site for safety reasons. Then they leave! They dont search for dope. They dont search for money. They pat down individuals for weapons and secure them, then they turn them over to whoever was the affiant of the search warrant and vacate the premises. How the hell is SWAT named in this lawsuit?
If people are wronged, then I guess they can sue (although that rationale is pretty BS to me, as momma told me once, 'life aint fair'), but who was wronged? Officers gathered intel and got a warrant signed BY A JUDGE. These warrants state at the top: I COMMAND THAT YOU SEARCH (such and such for whatever). Sounds like the judge should be sued.
This was a friday night. I wonder if LAPA's favorite Commander led the raid?
Is that club a La Familia Stone hang out? The name sounds Familia.
N I C E L Y D O N E
Public reading this blog...
I don't agree with half of this blog's postings; but look at them? How many posting, even the ones that you know are bulshit, have you seen that say: Hey, lets "raid" a biker club that probably has cameras, that is totally legit, and make some stuff up on them so that we may lock the people (who we do not know0 up for some falsely percieved vendeta. It doesn't happen. In the climate we are in right now, do you really think that some guys are going to raid a "Biker" bar and try something illegal? Come on. Give us some credit....
6/12/2008 02:12:00 AM
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Stupid is as stupid does. Maybe the name "Callahan" rings a bell...
Another clueless civilian posing as a police officer?
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Another slow witted criminal like Jerry Finnegan posing as a police officer?
There are enough private sector criminals. The public doesn't want public sector criminals to supplement them.
Either obey the law, find something else to do, or wave goodbye to your stuff when the sheriff comes to get it to satisfy the judgement against you.
Those are your choices, your ONLY choices.
There are plenty of tough guys eating out of dumpsters. You sound like you want to be one of them.
IT WAS DONE RIGHT!!!
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Not if they didn't adequately check out the "informant's" story... if there WAS an informant. The name Kathryn Johnston comes to mind.
If you don't like the rustic ambiance of a refrigerator carton, do your homework and leave the "creative writing" to Stephen King.
Get it right or don't do it. Otherwise expect to get sued.
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A Chicago Police Officer said....
We did do it right. CPD had a warrant which was signed by a judge and executed such warrant.
Also, weather CPD does it right or wrong we ALWAYS expect to be sued. It's the American way. After all how would these spineless scum of the earth lawyers make a living if they had to make an honest living. Thats why the death toll in this city is going to SKYROCKET this summer.
Search warrants for drugs. Big mistake.
Unless you're part of some long term investigation with video, informants, prior arrests from that address, and very solid info on a significant amount of drugs, you are on shakey ground in Cook County.
The typical "John Doe - tac arrest - says there's more rocks at this address - let him go if he tells you" search warrant is a BIG mistake in this climate. Today, these are routinely tossed and/or found not guilty at trial because the entire case hinges on the officer's credibility, which the media has successfully destroyed.
PI lawyer scumbags eat this shit up, especially when it comes up negative. Now that murder interrogations are video taped, this is the next area for a lawyer feeding frenzy.
It is VERY difficult to defend yourself and the trustworthiness of John Doe in a lawsuit.
For your own sake, stay out of this trap.
So sue .......you cry baby.
How do we know that you didn't run the stop sign?
since i work 1st watch and am against the olympics coming to Chicago 2016, i called Switzerland and asked where can someone from Chicago voice their opposition to Chicago being a host city. the address is
International Olympic Committee
Chateau du Vidy
1007 Lausanne
Switzerland
Send murder rates and crime figures to them I think they will love it.
"Yep, that is why arrests will be way down this year and criminal lawyers will be scratching around for business.
Welcome to the jungle.
6/12/2008 01:37:00 PM"
Maybe by the end of the year even the private defense attorney's will be supporting a return to the 'bad old days'.
And anyway, the PD's office needs a break, those poor, idealistic fools have been overloaded for years.
Maybe with the reduced case load, the ASA's will have the time and manpower to pursue the 'white-collar' criminals, both elected, appointed and employed.
This only if Peraica manages to pull off an upset over the Machine.
"Hey junior, can you ever start a post sans the batman nonsense? What are you 12 ? You are getting to be as annoying as that Scotchbreath goof.
6/12/2008 12:57:00 PM"
Stay as sweet as you are......
Don't let the world ever change you....
"Why I'm not saying the Tribune is correct,their article states the raid included illegal strip searches of females patrons by male officers.
6/12/2008 12:27:00 PM"
Thank God, I'd hate to think it might have been the other way around.
Though female to female is always welcome.
"We should run a cop or firefighter against every alderman in the city. If nothing else it would get our issues heard; a few might even win and what fun that might cause.
We can start with
DANNYE WARD
in the 24th Ward.!
6/12/2008 12:08:00 PM"
Now you're getting the idea.
See the comment posted at 6/12/2008 07:18:00 AM, on the article entitled "Another Amazing Daley Project".
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13350456&postID=1703797085780052128
The math works; it's getting the people to register to vote, to vote in every election and to vote out the Incumbents that's gonna take some real effort.
Are we up to the task?
Only time will tell.
Let's get busy.
6:16am i woke up and you where gone? I mean why? we danced the night away under the neon stars of "broadway" i let you wear my uniform and even cuff me.you know something sir I WAS WRONGED and if i ever find out your real name I will see you in court! "JODY" yah, like i Believed you said you were a "high ranking" offical PLEASE. L.I.F.M.
"....the public will not accept it once they see the police pointing cameras in a manner so as to specifically not record the scene.
Simple as that.
6/12/2008 10:42:00 AM"
By 'the public' I presume you mean either the 12 stellar citizens who couldn't get out of jury duty OR the proven willingness of our esteemed city council to hand out millions of taxpayer dollars in settlements like they're snowflakes falling from the Heavens.
" Besides, when Obama wins, drungs (drugs) will be legal.
6/12/2008 07:17:00 AM"
Not an Obama supporter, by any means, or a 'drug' consumer, but, this bullshit, Prohibition-style 'war on drugs' has lasted far longer, and done way more damage, than the Prohibition of Alcoholic Beverages ever did.
It's about time that we, as a nation, rid ourselves of this scam disguised as beneficial public policy.
It's been everything but beneficial.
Only the under-informed believe otherwise.
Which is exactly what those reaping huge profits from this bullshit prefer the majority of citizens to be, under-informed.
Though, if Obama really is as thoroughly corrupted and part and parcel of the Illinois Combine, as some believe, don't hold your breath for this happening.
It would fuck up too many individuals' cash flow.
Let me see now, big shipment of drugs due in,confidential informant,easy to get warrant.Now you do the raid a few bags, no big shipment,one gun.Why would they not sue? THese cases are starting to sound like all the drop cases in the old branch 57.Would you want a jury to get this in todays climate?
The officers should have done their homework before going in. The should have checked the place first run a business search, license, all public information. How about some surviellance. Expected was a large shipment of drugs. You think that large shipment was going to be found in the underpants of the patrons?Cmon guys. Anyone who has ever done a real search warrant with a real CI knows how much work it takes. So who ever was the affiant, shame on them. By the way, two nickle bags of DRUGS does not equal a shipment. Pick any house in the ghetto and your bound to get at least that much. NOT GOOD WORK!!!!
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This asshole is dead wrong, I have written hundreds of search warrants, and have supervised officers on many many more. Sometimes even the best information may not prove positive, luck, and timing always factor in on SW'S. Go back to school little boy
Sue these fu*cks every chance you get. If you are injured at work"on duty" you still have right to sue. Make the public affraid of us on two levels. Time we flip-the -script", with this litigation B.S. How about the woman who just got 8 Million after she "helped" the police after their traffic crash. The officers need to sue her.
Bad SWAT!!! Now go do 100 push ups! Now. Dont do that again.
Nuff said let this shit die forever.
(OT) Eddie burke again with another idea he wants all cabbies to buy new hybrid vehicles soon, the cabbies say they are to expensive but burke wants to "help the environment"! Stragely though in a realted story eddie forgot he is driven around is a tax payer paid huge crown vic by a fleet of valets wasting lots of fuel! Hey eddie put up or stfu get a small pruis for yourself first and how about you pay for it with the millions hidden in campaign accounts!
The police were in the right on this one. They had a warrant, signed by a judge. They did their job. No police got hurt. Several people went to jail. Drugs and gun recovered. An arrest warrant was cleared. Right address. People all ran from the police and tried to hide. Cops have a right to pat everyone down. Female officer searched female subjects whom were detained on the premise. Their were no illegal cavity searches. Its just the piece of shit lawyer having big ole dollar bill signs in his eyes on this one. Fabricating a lot of bullshit and it's getting deep. Good job officers. Keep up the good work.
Get it right or don't do it. Otherwise expect to get sued.
6/12/2008 06:16:00 Please don't do warrants. You may not find a large shipment of drugs in drawers, but not hard to hide a small cal. pistol. On a warrant, everyone is dirty till proven otherwise.
Anonymous said...
(OT) Eddie burke again with another idea he wants all cabbies to buy new hybrid vehicles soon, the cabbies say they are to expensive but burke wants to "help the environment"! Stragely though in a realted story eddie forgot he is driven around is a tax payer paid huge crown vic by a fleet of valets wasting lots of fuel! Hey eddie put up or stfu get a small pruis for yourself first and how about you pay for it with the millions hidden in campaign accounts!
6/12/2008 11:42:00 PM
Maybe they could buy rickshaws like in china, hey think about it ed your guys could drag you around rickshaw style with a bicycle attached to the front, would be nice to take you to your wisconsin mansion the weight they would lose! And look at all the fuel you could save!
Good send them back to the districts to answer calls of service.
Any high risk entry 19B
How about a lawsuit against the mayor everytime the illegals disrupt the city with a march. Sue him for allowing them to be here and breaking federal laws and then using our tax money to patrol them and offer our services at our expenses. Also for disrupting your commute to work to make money to pay taxes for him to use.
Nevermind I forgot MCC overides Federal Laws.
I will have to remember that one next time I have Fedearl court and misd. on the same day. See if the feds by that one.
being robbed? for what a lousy $3,000?flash grenades for a robbery?why the hell were they running for if they had nothing to hide? why did they find one guy on the roof?a co worker of my said that they have swinger parties at "social clubs"like that....maybe that's why the girls were exposed.it's bad enough my tax money is spent on helping free loaders who are too lazy to work and manipulate the system ,now it's being spent on savages thinking that they have any rights after breaking the law. as far as the cameras being pointed up, WHO THE HELL CARES....IT DOESN'T MEAN JACK!! MAYBE THE POLICE ARE TIRED OF BEING FILMED DOING THEIR JOB AND HAVING EVERYTHING SCRUTINIZED by the public...
Cmon guys. Anyone who has ever done a real search warrant with a real CI knows how much work it takes. So who ever was the affiant, shame on them. By the way, two nickle bags of DRUGS does not equal a shipment.
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Ok OCD guy....Anyone who has done that many Search Warrants should know how to spell the word NICKEL. NOT GOOD WORK BY YOU EITHER!
C/I's are not always the most clued in people as to the operations. They see it when they see it and they relay the message. Surveillances are done but some units are not LONG TERM operations like YOU! They did what they did.
So take another course Mr. search warrant critic.......
"MAYBE THE POLICE ARE TIRED OF BEING FILMED DOING THEIR JOB AND HAVING EVERYTHING SCRUTINIZED by the public..."
Then instead of having the camera capture, record and store you turning the camera away from your actions, maybe you should take the whole camera next time. And find where its transmitting to if there is a wireless signal involved, or follow the signal wire if its transmitting via a wireless signal.
But leaving a video of you deliberately approaching the camera and turning the camera away from your actions does not buttress your credibility.
Face it kid, if you were watching a surveillance video of a gas station robbery, and you saw an identifiable subject approach the camera and turn it away from the counter, you miiiight find that a bit suspicious!
Or not. Maybe you wouldn't find that suspicious.
I'm now mentally slapping you on the side of the head via internet.
I am soooo scared.
The bogeyman is everywhere.
I am going to lose my car, home, wife (OK keep the wife).
Leave me alone while I sit in my corner and whimper.
Fuck CI'S, fuck doing this job, fuck this City!!! Let the animals run farm and when its time bring on the slaughter.
If you haven't figured it out yet then your dumb.
ONLY ARREST THOSE WHO YOU ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO ARREST ON SIGNED COMPLAINTS ONLY!!!
leave the dope dealers to our narcotics unit!
I like the curfews and school absentee's, add in some contact cards on them and we have non revenue generating activity!!!
In the climate we are in right now, do you really think that some guys are going to raid a "Biker" bar and try something illegal? Come on. Give us some credit....
6/12/2008 02:12:00 AM
If everything's on the up and up like you say, then turning the surveillance camera up toward the ceiling was an outrageously stupid idea. What do you think a jury will do when it sees that? You still want "credit?"
"I am soooo scared.
The bogeyman is everywhere.
I am going to lose my car, home, wife (OK keep the wife).
Leave me alone while I sit in my corner and whimper.
6/13/2008 06:00:00 PM"
Don't fret, Richie.
Patty boy will wipe the drool off of your chin at least once a week.
That is, if that's really your drool.
I see it's been a couple of days now, and no outcry or fallout from this big story. Just a bunch of hot air from a half-assed attorney.
If his case was so strong, he wouldn't have had to peddle it to
Channels 5, 2 and 7. Can you say fizzle?
SWAT isn't going anywhere. The Supt. is satisfied with what's going on in SWAT, and supports the structure of SWAT from the top down. Only changes to SWAT will be a number of equipment upgrades soon.
Anonymous said...
"....the public will not accept it once they see the police pointing cameras in a manner so as to specifically not record the scene.
Simple as that.
6/12/2008 10:42:00 AM"
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Did they know where the cameras were leading to? who was on the other end of the cameras? probably not if the tape was still in the machine! So if you have a multiunit building that you have a search warrant for one area, and they own the whole building, officer safety common sense should lead you to the conclusion that you dont want people watching you if you dont know their intentions. They couldve been watching and gearing up for some sort of ambush. After all, it was a motorcycle club as well as gang banger hangout.
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