Insignificance Continues to Grow
Long post.
We'd really like to claim that we were in contact with the AP and we knew that J-Fed's NPR interview was going to end up looking like a face full of egg. We didn't. But somehow, some way, the alleged "de-policing" taking place in Chicago is reaching a national audience. And it's doing something hitherto thought unthinkable - uniting the masses. Here's some of the report:
We'd really like to claim that we were in contact with the AP and we knew that J-Fed's NPR interview was going to end up looking like a face full of egg. We didn't. But somehow, some way, the alleged "de-policing" taking place in Chicago is reaching a national audience. And it's doing something hitherto thought unthinkable - uniting the masses. Here's some of the report:
- Serious crime is up but arrests are down in Chicago, and some police officers say they are working the streets less aggressively out of resentment toward their new chief and fear of being second-guessed by him. "People are doing just what they need to get through" their shifts, said Lt. Robert Weisskopf, president of the Chicago police lieutenants union, "and not any extra."
The Sergeants Union gets in on the act (commenting on the Cozzi case):
- In addition, he asked federal officials to investigate an officer who had already pleaded guilty to beating a handcuffed man shackled to a wheelchair and was serving a two-year suspension. That angered the rank-and-file.They felt the officer "did something wrong and he paid his debt to society," Weisskopf said. "But it was as if that wasn't good enough, 'We didn't get our complete pound of flesh.'"Since then, "guys feel the superintendent and the administration does not have their back," said John Pallohusky, president of the police sergeants union.
For some reason, the FOP declined to comment to AP for this story. Then the AP brings up statistical analysis to back up their contention of "de-policing":
- Through the end of August, the department made 103,589 arrests (not including arrests for outstanding arrest warrants) compared with 117,971 for the same period last year, according to the department. The 5,600 guns recovered is roughly half as many as police seized in the same period in 2007, internal documents show.Bookings in the Cook County Jail - where the vast majority of inmates come from Chicago - are down, too. In all but one month this year, the number of people booked into the jail was down from the same month a year earlier, sometimes by hundreds, according to data obtained by the AP through a Freedom of Information Act request.Chicago has had 322 murders through Aug. 21, or 42 more than the number committed through the same date last year. Also, police have received 10,000 more calls from people about shots being fired, and the number of calls about gang disturbances has jumped by nearly 4,000, according to the department documents.
And the allegedly biggest reason for the drop?
- But among the slew of statistics kept by the department are "self-initiated" calls, or those in which officers stop and question people about possible drug or gang activity. Department figures show the total is down by more than 3,700 from the same period last year.
CNN covers the story. The Chicagoist chimes in. We're sure there's a bunch of local coverage we're missing. J-Fed is foundering - badly. And he's just committed the unforgivable Chicago sin - making Daley look inept in his choices.
Here's the problem as we see it:
Here's the problem as we see it:
- J-Fed was brought in to rein in a Department out of control. Unfortunately, the facts on the ground didn't (and still don't) support this belief. The Department was directionless, but that was directly attributable to the last three Superintendents and their inability to move the Department away from the corrupting influence of politics. It's not entirely their fault - no one could completely resist Daley and the Machine. But each made it progressively worse by their inaction.
- When J-Fed came in blind, he had no choice but to make the moves Daley and the Machine wanted. The last twenty years of Daley has hollowed the Department in a way no one would have ever dreamed possible. There are almost NO qualified individuals to LEAD this Department. Any that could were chased off by the political animals, shunted into dead end sergeant or lieutenant spots, or simply frustrated by their inability to make real and lasting changes in working conditions.
- Managers don't make good bosses. Good bosses can be capable managers, but it almost never works out the other way. And when the criteria for promotion are bloodline, blow job or political sponsorship, the Department isn't even finding capable managers within its ranks.
- J-Fed, after dismissing out of hand a few hundred years worth of police experience, is saddled with incompetent political hacks left and right. So what does he do? Brings in his own stable of "non political" friends, thereby perpetuating the "closed shop" and dashing any chance of attracting capable managers who may have showed him the ropes.
The end result? J-Fed reverts to what he knows:
- local law enforcement are a bunch of rubes and provincial hacks and if you spin them a yarn and promise them the world, they'll run right into the gates of hell because you tell them to.
We'll bet $100 that J-Fed still thinks he did each and every one of us a favor by getting Cozzi indicted.
Whatever is going on, call it "de-policing," call it a "slowdown," call it "just doing your job and nothing extra" is gaining national attention and is scaring the crap out of 35th Street. Daley isn't scared - he's in for another 3 years regardless since there are no elections and no recall provisions. Why would he care?
But the brass can be moved, they can be demoted and they can bear the brunt of the mayor's displeasure. And the displeasure is beginning to center around J-Fed.
Whatever is going on, call it "de-policing," call it a "slowdown," call it "just doing your job and nothing extra" is gaining national attention and is scaring the crap out of 35th Street. Daley isn't scared - he's in for another 3 years regardless since there are no elections and no recall provisions. Why would he care?
But the brass can be moved, they can be demoted and they can bear the brunt of the mayor's displeasure. And the displeasure is beginning to center around J-Fed.
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SCC - Maybe a seperate post regarding the idiots in Springfield trying to get another constitutional convention to tear down several tenants, including our pension, of our Illinois Constitution. Here is the heading from the Lieutenants' website:
Vote No on Constitutional Convention
Illinois lawmakers are trying to get the voters of Illinois to agree to a new Illinois Constitution. They want to hold a convention that would write a new constitution. We urge you to vote no blocking a Constituional Convention. We stand to loose more that we have to gain. Currently our Illinois Constitution protects our Pension with the following:
PENSION AND RETIREMENT RIGHTS
Membership in any pension or retirement system of the
State, any unit of local government or school district, or
any agency or instrumentality thereof, shall be an
enforceable contractual relationship, the benefits of which
shall not be diminished or impaired.
This clause has been interpreted by the Courts to mean that once a public employee vests in a pension plan their benefits cannot be diminished later on.
We don't want this changed, you don't want this changed, but our lawmakers want this changed. To learn more and to see more reasons why we do not want to change the constitution please click on the following link:
http://www.protectillinoisconstitution.org/
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About seven or eight years ago there was a movement to consolidate all ranks under exempt into one union, the PBPA. The FOP spent about $50,000 to defeat this attempt and defamed all involved in the attempt to unite the rank and file.
Why are only PBPA union officials quoted in this national story???
I will tell you why, the FOP has sold you boys and girls out. The FOP has been and will remain silent and do NOTHING for you.
Now is the time to Recertify or Decertify your union and unite all the rAnks under the exempt rank with the PBPA.
UNITED WE STAND,DIVIDED WE FALL!!!
Carothers gets a meritorious appointment again what could possibly go wrong.
Aunt Bea wouldn't even go to a DOC meeting when she was in A/1 because they told her that she had no idea what she was doing. What to do, what to do, send a sgt in her place at the last minute and tell everyone its because she didn't want to look bad because she knew she was getting promoted.
Spot on SCC.
Michelle Obama's cousin Mike ( It doesn't cost the city THAT much when I harass the womens) Shields, I be rockin this place dog, I be the main mo-fo up in here soon. I be learnin to read and shiiiiit.
There could be an emerging scandal that will rock this city to the core. Time will tell, but time is running out!!!
GPS, Car Cameras, TRR's, Behavioral Intervention Program, CR#'s, Inspectors, etc. etc.
This all equals lack of trust in officers and the dept's desire to over manage
More importantly, this equals
NO PROACTIVE POLICE WORK!
BARE MINIMUM!
J-Fed was well advised that he had individuals left from the last regime that were destined to make him look bad and hurt him subvertly, he failed to heed advice given to him.
The Cozzi decision was the icing on the cake, this was the loos of the entire CPD in one swipe. What were you thinking???
Redemption at this point is still possible. Get an expedient contract that is fair implemented, insure that Cozzi is brought back, use your juice to bring Mette back, brign back and reinstate the officers that were unjustly stripped and fired, get those M-4's and vehicles, get rid of the six day work week, implement positive change, make the promotional and unit gig legitimate, truly listen to and heed the advice of the SOLDIERS. (Don't be a weenie officer, be the CO that LEADS, Lead and we will follow)
Good CO's jump,march,bivouac,drink,workout and die with their men. They lead from the front, never the rear Sir.
The problem is that when he came in he had a chance to make real change....he was off to a good start...a clean start starts with new people. Unfurtunately some of the changes were decent hard working people. After the begining....it turned into a great big shuffle. He had the opportunity to get rid of dead weight that sucks the life out of the working police.....aka pudding pop or lifetime merit hacks. There are plenty of working police out there. Yea some may not have the experience or law degree that may have been used to determine "worthyness"...or the phone call...but ask the officers that are out there doing the job who they listen too. The guys in the trenches beside them who aren't worried about getting a stain on their shirt. Lead by example. And put your money where your mouth is. GPS...fine..they are the city's cars...but let everybody have access to it. Then it realy is transparent.....the blue shirts will see the dogs calling in and laying down on jobs. They will see how some one way mfers will go out of thier way to avoid answering a call while some do 2 or 3 times thier share. What do you think will happen then? When the beat guy can see the truth....when they can see the field Lts' and the Sgts and the inspectors and the "elite" units...and see who is out backing them up....now we have a level playing field. WHO CAN COMPLAIN THEN....WE ARE ALL OUT THERE TO SEE. I have a long time to go...and despite all the "problems"...I love my job and go to work each day with a smile on my face.
I went to the candle light vigil....and look at the sacrafice made by each of the officers on the wall and consider it an honor to be able to serve on the same department, wear the same uniform, and ride in the same cars as these officers. I strive each day to continue to bring honor to this job in the eyes of the families who lost thier loved ones. I hope that the sacrafic my family makes on a daily basis, the fear of possible dangers, is for a greater good....so my kids can have a place to grow up that is safe. I want my kids to be able to look at what I do....and respect the sacrifice...because it is the right thing to do.
There is nothing that that we do on this job that is insignificant....nothing. We already have some leaders in this department that understand that....Jimmy Jackson for one...and it is time to let them take control. Leaders that listen to working police ...not the whiners who can qote the contract by heart in order to get what they need but refused to help a fellow officer on the street. We are only as good as the officer who pulls up on the call....any call....and this department should start with that.
January 2008, the Department of Revenue finished transitioning all booters to one-person crews. Booters now drive vans equipped with security cameras instead of riding with a second city worker.
Booters said a camera cannot warn them of impending danger, like Monday's incident when a booter was shot in the lower back by a man who first tried to assault him with a two-by-four. The assailant remains at large.
Daley said booters aren't the only ones working alone, pointing to solitary postal employees. When a reporter said postal workers generally work at a nonconfrontational job carrying mail people want, Daley disagreed.
Daley said the problem was two-fold: people not paying their tickets and too many guns on the street.
BOTTOM LINE: Officer Richard Francis was working 99, here is mayor admits we are outgunned, only wants cameras TO RECORD THE AFTERMATH...every peon is expendable, just don't forget to SMILE YOU'RE ON CAMERA!
I do not know if this superintendent will complete his term in office, but the next five superintendents will want to ring his neck.
ch 7 news, Thursday 10:00 PM
lake county sheriff in charge of jails just blasted our IDIOT mayor for out of control crime
our IDIOT mayor mumbles a response making him look even stupider than usual
This is public information on the internet: http://www.gopetition.com/online/18851.html
Impeachment of Mayor Nutter 19 Signatures
Published by Brian Morelli on Apr 28, 2008
Category: Civil Rights
Region: United States of America
Target: Supporters of the Second Amendment
Description/History:
Reason for Impeachment:
Mayor Nutter went against state legislature as well as the United States
Constitution
In 1994 the Pennsylvania Supreme Court passed a law specifically barring
municipalities from regulating guns.
That constitutes Mayor Nutter as a criminal!
Mayor Nutter went against legal advise from Philadelphia D.A. Lynne Abraham
If he is willing to break a law passed by the state legislature, how do we know
he will not break any other laws?
If he is unwilling to adhere to legal advise from a District Attorney, how do we
know he will listen to the people of Philadelphia?
this department is going now where.
Your INSIGNIFICANT when you are UNJUSTLY stripped,indicted and terminated or so they think.
The INJUSTICES that have occurred over the last three years have brought this department together like nothing else in the last 23 years has.
God Bless the Blueshirts......
Never, ever trust a fed......
Retired in 2003 ....but with you in spirit............
SCC,
National conservative talk show host Billy Cunningham spoke at great length about Chicago's homicide rate and how Chicago was more dangerous than Iraq. He explicitly detailed Obama's alleged community organizer skills in the most violent neighborhoods of the nation and how crime is out of control here now. This topic was very revealing and completely educational to a majority of American citizens.
I have taken the liberty to educate the national audience about the Forbes magazine article detailing Chicago as the most stressful city in the nation and the AP/CNN articles detailing the lack of confidence and faith in the Superintendent and how the police won't police anymore.
After all this is Obama's Promised Land, the citizens of America deserve to know what is occurring here and how we feel. A national audience is good but an international audience is much better.
INJUSTICE reaps a whirlwind of trouble>>>
AISFL
Re:
SPEAKING OF INSIGNIFICANT
SCC: I HOPE YOU ARE SITTING DOWN!
During the Police Memorial Vigil, J-Fuck, his ugly ol' lady and all of his FED buddies were in the back of the room talking and laughing. Are you ready for this, RON MAJORS (SP?) had to walk across the room and ask these ignorant assholes to be quiet out of respect. Not only are we insignificant to this pig, but so are our fallen brothers and sisters. Nice huh?
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This is exactly why we don't like this guy. He's not one of us. He can pretend to wear the uniform and such, but he'll never know the feeling to lose a fellow officer. Unless you've come up through the academy and been through the trenches, you'll never have a clue.
That's why this Piece of Shit can laugh at a vigil for fallen officer.
I have NO respect for this man at all.
I encourage all officers of self-worth to take up the sword and shield and fight, cowards no more.
Make yourselves known,begin writing to the talk shows and relating that you are a Chicago PO and that you wish to relate what is happening in Obama's hometown. Tell the truth and it will set you free, have NO fear.
You can do so annonymously and tell them about how you fear reprecussions from the Democratic Machine.
To all of the retirees, you can identify yourselves and you should, you are still brothers and must defend and do battle for your fellow brothers, it is morally and ethically your oath. Identify yourselves, show the college kids that it is okay to be the POLICE. Johnny Northern has led the way 10-99, time for some other old salts to stand up and be counted.
This is about more than you,us or your kids, this is about the sruvival of America...
I think this is the place and time that this phrase actually applies to a situation.
"The chickens have come home to roost!"
The City has received exactly what they have trained.
A hands off, non-interactive, each against all police department.
Congratulations to the City of Chicago.
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What about no contract since June 2007, and no raises since January 2007, I could give a fuck who is calling the shots. Leave me alone and pay me what I am worth and I will do my job.
I don't need you to back me up J-Fed but don't try to fuck me either. This is the big leagues J-Fed and you are in so far over your head that it is sickening.
Do every working policeman on this job a favor and FUCKING quit, you can keep the uniform, just FUCKING quit.
I couldn't express the way all of us are feeling any better.
Nobody wants to do anymore than the bare minimun. Why would you do anymore?
Not only are the citizens gunning for you but also your boss. Everyone is looking for a payday out there and just waiting for us to slip up.
The bosses are looking to make names for themselves by firing us and the ASA can't wait to get a case involving a P.O. so they can really fuck us over. The media reports every police shooting as "police gun down teenager" when the police are even getting shot at by this piece of shit.
It's almost like the whole world has turned upside down and WE have become the bad guys. It boggles my mind.
All i wanted to do on this job was to help people and try to do the right thing and have a little fun. Sometimes adrenaline and anger come into play and things happen. Mistakes happen, but thats what you deal with when you make split second decisions all day long. We need to know that we have backing, and when sometimes these split second decisions go wrong, that someone will have our back and we won't lose our jobs and get sued on top of it. It's just not worth it anymore. The citizens, bosses, ASA's and media can have the police department that they seem so desprately to want.... a reactive one.
It sucks to be such a young aggresive cop and have to shut it down, but i am not a young DUMB aggresive cop.
Read The Full Article Here In The Shitford Courant Yesterday & It Said A MOUTHFUL To Say The Least.
The Article Was Missing One Thing Though.
NO MENTION Of The SCC Blog, The One Blog The Media Repeatedly Plagarizes From, But REFUSES To Give Due Credit Or Attribution To.
Keep Doing What Your Doing SCC, Your Loyal Readers Know The REAL Story
Stay Safe, Shoot Straight & Back Each Other Up ALWAYS
Well what did it for me was when they started to try to control what we do OFF duty.
They try to fire us for being intoxicated over .04
Get the hell out here.
I enjoy going out to bars, listening to live music, going to fests, having friends over for bbq and drinks, etc.. And just b/c i've had a couple beers and some asshole comes up to me and tries to start a fight I'm supposed to walk away or let him pummel me.
Fuck that and Fuck the bosses that want to control every aspect of our lives.
If we don't have our guns on us, why should we not be able to get as shit faced as we want?
And if we get into a fight, well guess what, that's life. Shit happens sometimes and sometimes some people need to be put in thier place. Fine, suspend me a few days, whatever, but is it if a chicago policeman gets into a fight they go for agg bat and try to fire them, but any other citizen it would barely make it to misd branch court and then dropped. It's insane and not right.
Anyway, that is why they can enjoy my zero's at checkoff.
bring back the s o s units.they will clean up the killing fields of chicago.
Even to this day there was no worse Superintendent than Phil Cline. Phil set the chain in motion when he began slectively and personally picking every promotion and every firing. Phil became his own GOD and it was his demise.
Most of what J-Fed did was either on Phil's motion or advice. Phil tried to distance himself from the Marquette Ten by attempting to be a reformer and firing everybody,regardless of guilt or innocence.
All of what transpired could soon surface again.
remember the saying "25% of the coppers do 75% of the work and if we lose that 25% we are done." daley, j-fed, exempts, revs, media, etc. YOU LOST THAT 25% AND IT IS A FUCKING SHAME!
The mourning and wails of the oppressed and denied will become like thunder in time. They will strike fear in the hearts of the oppressors, time is but an increment.
As the Lord so eloquently related, "You know not what you are doing".
Deny Michael Robbins, deny Constable James Quinn and persecute and unjustly destroy the likes of Cozzi and many others; and you will know the vengeance of a lawful and righteous God.
Keep denying the truth, keep in darkness and keep in silence all that speak rightousness...
You reap what you sow!
SCC,
I have a feeling that you may end up in a Portuguese translation soon.
The First Ten Amendments are a wonderful thing.
Now is the time for all Chicago Police Officers to enshrine themselves in the US Constitution for your protection and longevity.
Remember, those field interviews/street stops are UNCONSTITUTIONAL unless you have probable cause. Probable cause must be articuable and defined within the parameters of US Supreme Court decisions.
You must now document all street stops. Street stops lead to infringement of US Constitutional Rights lawsuits and beefs.
Ironically, this can come back to help you or haunt you. My advice is to avoid; like the plague any proactive policing in this era of police witch hunting and unjustified firings.
The paradigm has shifted and the masses are waiting . Guaranteed!!!
OFF TOPIC. CHALKIE VISITED 013 THURS. NIGHT IN WEST HAVEN HOUSING COMPLEX. TWO BROTHETRS FIGHTING AND ONE BEGINS TO STAB OTHER WITH PIECE OF GLASS. 1306 FIRES ONE AND HE GONE!!!!!
The end result? J-Fed reverts to what he knows:
local law enforcement are a bunch of rubes and provincial hacks and if you spin them a yarn and promise them the world, they'll run right into the gates of hell because you tell them to.
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Dead on.
J-Fed is a creepy looking fuck. Not-a-cop
You "manage" events, you "lead" people.
old retired guy
It was announced Wednesday that Frank Limon will be the new Chief of Police in River Forest.
I imagine he is so happy to be away from the "Screaming Skull".
Good luck, Frank.
It tolls for thee, Mr. Weis.
The catch 22 for Jody P. Weis is a doosie. He now has but two options: Quit or go after the corrupt Daley.
Sadly, he doesn't have the balls to do the latter.
what a mess...
I commend the Lts. and Sgts. union heads for telling AP whats going on, I think FOP is most likely shutting up because of the on going negotiations. They dont need to comment on any job actions it may look to an arbitrator or the public like they are endorsing it and that would not be good . J-Dope once again you are in the water, you have been thrown overboard and the sharks are closing in for the kill. Dont look to the political master for help, he is done with you. He is only looking for someone to come in and do the deed, That is call for your head. Soon one of the Aldermen, maybe Ike again or Little Danny Solis will call for hearings or some other sham to get to the bottom of this de-policing. I love that phrase, Thanks Ike. You will get your balls handed to you with a dire warning !!!!!! Whatever that means. This hearing will be at Shortshanks request. He cannot fire you although he would love to . That would be admitting he made a mistake. Now is the time, Ive said it before. Call your own press conference, dont let MB know about it, she will call Jackie Heard and they will spin it their way. TELL THE MEDIA THE TRUTH. Tell them about the Masters appoitnment to watch and report your every move, tell them about the daily interference from the Hall. Tell them about the promotions you are forced to make. BE A MAN, grow a pair, you have a contract they cannot fire you without buying you out. You strike first, that may get you some respect from the men and women who have grown to hate you. Once again take off that uniform, you didnt earn it, dont deserve it and you disgrace those who would like to wear it with pride but increasingly are only waiting for their pension out date to arrive . Be a man throw the Midget under the bus first. You have nothing to loose, imagine the book you can write following the shitstorm you would start. More publicity for you, maybe even a cameo role int a movie someone might make about your experience in the :" City that Works" imagine that shortshanks demise could be the start of a J-Fed movie career. Oh well time to wake up from this dream Iam having, you will never do it, ball less, let most feds.
In all fairness, I think you point the finger in the wrong direction concerning the unraveling of the Police Department. If you're pointing your finger at someone besides yourself and the Department for the activities that initiated the change, the Finnegans, the Abbattes, SOS and the rest, those are initiatives that originate and end with you, and the rest of the Department.
Is there some aspect of law enforcement activity you, as patrolman have been denied to enforce.
You have Sergeants trying to get freebies off street whores, other Sergeants trying to take pics of female motorists tits, patrolman trying to arrange hits on other patrolman and on and on.
Where does personal responsibility come into play? Don't you think it gets a little tiring trying to point a finger at someone else all the time? Its like one of your kids, when you catch them off base, and they always respond, "it wasn't me".
For all the bullshit you carp about, most of you are still here. Why is that? The whole, fuck the city attitude of the bloggers here puzzles me.
Are there other career opportunities out there that would capitalize on your knowledge, skills and experience? If there are, why not jump ship and make a happier life for yourself there.
I'd like to see something in the job description of patrolman that says the front line troops dictate policy and procedure. I don't believe General Orders, Special orders and department notices are some huge secret. There's an order and a procedure that details what we're supposed to do in every law enforcement scenario.
Unfortunately, beating up bartenders, shaking down motorists, burglarizing drug dealers and getting free blow jobs aren't covered. But these are the things we point the finger at City Hall about. I don't get it.
We have more freedom that almost any other job. The work slowdown proves that. Once you leave roll call, you pretty much can do whatever you want, where and whenever you want. So whats the problem?
Try sitting in an office for 8 hours a day. Or in some cases unfortunately, a cell.
haha ha ah keep it up! And if you are one of the ass kissing pussies who keep writing your parkers, keep writing your movers, keeo making your bullshit arrests just so you can "stay on your car" or "stay on 3rd watch" you can go fuck yourself!!! You know who you are and know this... you are whats wrong with this place! You are whats keeping us from winnning this battle! You and your precious little car! Your precious little watch! So fuck you, eat shit and wake up you waste of space! STOP BRINGING IN REVENUE FOR DALEY AND THE MACHINE!!!!!!!!
SCC PLEASE NOTIFY OFFICERS THEIR EFFORTS ARE BEING NOTICED AND ARE CAUSING A POLICITICAL STIR:
Don't think that the drop in numbers are not being noticed politically!!!
THE CROOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY race is in November and the Democractic machine is shaking. They don't have any quality cases anymore. The days of prosecuting slam dunk felony cases where lowly P.O.'s did all the leg work for the ASA and detectives are done. NO more easy wins, THE CCSAO is no being forced to take less sure, harder to prove cases and guess what they are LOSING!!!
Why are they prosecuting weaker cases? Because they can't have a courtroom full of ASAs, judges, clerks, and court reporters collecting salaries not doing any work. They are scared shitless that if they don't do anything their funding and patronage jobs will be cut and their budget will be reduced.
It is very hard to justify tax money being paid to lawyers and judges who are standing around. Remember the current CCSAO is not a friend of the police. All they are looking out for is themselves.
Remember, those field interviews/street stops are UNCONSTITUTIONAL unless you have probable cause. Probable cause must be articuable and defined within the parameters of US Supreme Court decisions.
9/19/2008 03:03:00 AM
Somebody obviously didn't pay attention in law class in the academy. You need probable cause to make an arrest. To conduct an interview of a citizen you are not required to have probable cause. To conduct a TERRY STOP and FRISK you are required to have reasonable suspicion. You need to know what these terms are and what they mean or do us all a favor and don't do anything!
look at the sacrafice made by each of the officers on the wall and consider it an honor to be able to serve on the same department, wear the same uniform, and ride in the same cars as these officers. I strive each day to continue to bring honor to this job in the eyes of the families who lost thier loved ones. I hope that the sacrafic my family makes on a daily basis, the fear of possible dangers, is for a greater good....so my kids can have a place to grow up that is safe. I want my kids to be able to look at what I do....and respect the sacrifice...because it is the right thing to do.
There is nothing that that we do on this job that is insignificant....nothing.
GOD DAMN ! there is still one good cop left!!!
.....Remember, those field interviews/street stops are UNCONSTITUTIONAL unless you have probable cause. Probable cause must be articuable and defined within the parameters of US Supreme Court decisions. ,,,,,
Hey Goof...go back to school, the treshhold is reasonable suspicion, not PC.... thats the problem around here , all these 4 yr wonders think they know fucking everything!
Well GOOD RIDDANCE to the bobblehead federal dipshit who couldn't police his own ass into taking a shit.
Now, who the hell do we have to talk to to start the process of installing local or state laws to enable us to get rid of this shitheaded punk of a mayor before an election?
Michelle Obama's cousin Mike ( It doesn't cost the city THAT much when I harass the womens) Shields, I be rockin this place dog, I be the main mo-fo up in here soon. I be learnin to read and shiiiiit.
SCC, why would you allow a post such as this to see the light of day? This is about as blatantly racist as can be.
Can anyone here say honestly that Shields has done a bad job? I haven't seen him make any negative missteps since he was promoted to Deputy Supt, and he's a big improvement over the man he replaced. He's probably one of the more solid people around J-Fed in that rank right now.
I've said all along this shit is a pendulum. I've also said for a long time it will swing the other way eventually.
Maybe it's on the downswing now eh?
If Mss Bond is correct and we are focusing on "more serious crime", why is the population down at County where those charged with serious crimes are held? Maybe she should stop hanging out with MS and spend more time learning the facts.
Don't know if J-Fed has our backs or not but he did inherit a whole mess of problems from the "good o boys" Cline,Molloy etc.
The only way I see the this department can be saved is
1) The city needs to show good faith and give us a better than
decent contract
2) Get back to being a semi military operation and not a free for all.
3) Get rid of CAPS (wasted manpower)
4) Stop accepting fivolous CR's..someones feelings will always get hurt doing police work its part of the job.
too bad we can't have the Lake County Sheriff as our Mayor or Supt. of Police.
Bring Mark Curran - Sheriff of Lake County, to the City of Chicago! Finally, a law enforcement official with balls.
Same story in USA Today.
The Weis "statistically insignificant" comment on NPR has not only bit him in the ass, it will become his funeral dirge--unless he turns the tables on the antichrist Shortshanks.
GREAT POST SCC!!!
THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING IN STREETS & SAN.
I'M SURE IN ALL DEPTS
SAD BUT TRUE :(
What's this crap about a police slow down here in Chicago. Does that mean they are giving more motorist a pass instead of a ticket?
I am all for common sense law enforcement. Slow them officers down. They don't need to write tickets so Mayor Daley can give the money to his corrupt friends.
The police are there to response to 911 calls. Who really cares if the inmates kill each other in the ghetto neighborhoods. Let the reverends in the hood bring on the peace. I am tried of hearing them ghetto bitches talking shit about cops who they complain about fucking with their peoples.
Hey 303
Ever heard of reasonable suspicion?
The First Ten Amendments are a wonderful thing.
9/19/2008 02:49:00 AM
The Second Ten are even better!
It isn't that we are "de-policing", doing a "slowdown", etc... I think many officers used to just stop cars and stop people just because "they looked dirty" and go through them and their cars. Then they get luck and find a gun, drugs, etc... and it is an arrest. Those days are gone. Any P.O. that still does that or engages in "creative writing" is a FOOL. Because sooner or later he will end up wearing an orange jump suit.
The sgts and lts are talking also, hmm looks like j-fed has no control and never has or had any respect! If he was laughing with fed buddies at memorial what a disgrace! No wonder he keeps the philly plates and breaks the law, that is so he goes back there soon! When will it end? The exempts he promoted have no clue! Mikey shields connected to osama obamas wife no wonder,he has that job and chases all the ho's! Look at sodini another clout hack connected to judge sodini who was involved in? How about leo "ric flair" schmitz and cozy job he got for his wife where she wreacks and ruins the midway unit? hello eddie burke the kids are not alright over here! Can you hear me eddie??
Let's hear it for Sheriff Curran of Lake County. It takes someone from outside Chicago to speak the truth.
OFF TOPIC, did everyone see lake County sheriff Curran rip Daley and the city? I LOVE THIS MAN!!!!! Curran for Supt
You want some respect boss then man up and immediately restore Officer Michael Cozzi, and call all your fed friends and have the case dropped now! If any of the politicians have any balls you could show how courageous instead of cowardly you are and step up for Cozzi! As far as lame carouthers his brother ike stands with daley everytime there is a camera and looks like he is half asleep as daleys lapdog, but daleys feeds him purina and ike he likes it!
Want to make a dent? Here's how:
- Do a to/from requesting to be assigned to a 2-person car on 1st and 3rd watches because of safety. If denied, file a safety greivance.
- Also file a safety greivance if a battery goes dead during a shift, if given a car with broken equipment, or assigned to do a prisoner guard by yourself.
- If your squad has any IVC violations, request another. If denied, write a to/from refusing to drive that car and cite why, ie IVC violations. If ordered to drive the car, file a safety grievance.
As a simple suggestion, start reading your contract and general orders, etc. They apply to the department and the brass as much as they do you. Use what little power you have. And be careful out there as always.
Because this website is "insignificant" I don't think this will get through to J-Fed but important none the less...
Mr. Weis, will you please, please stop thanking the "elected officials" for coming to stuff? I was at P.O. Francis' funeral and you made an effort to make sure the "elected officials" were thanked for being there. I was at the Memorial Vigil last night and you did it again, almost stopping your speech it seemed so you could pucker up those lips to kiss their asses. Thing is, they are elected by us, the people, and serve at our whim, the SHOULD be at things like this out of respect for the heroes that have given their life for this city, they do not need to be thanked for being there, they should be pointed out if they do not attend. The thing is Mr. Weis, realize what matters is the police officers who are in your charge, and those that have paid the ultimate sacrifice, that's what matters not some political hack who is there for a photo op. Other P.O.'s can say what they want about Phil Cline, Terry Hilliard, Dana Starks etc, but at least they at one time or another, demonstrated a certain pride in being one of us, and not above us. Did they make mistakes at one point or another? Yes. Maybe even out of spite for this city or the direction of the dept? Yes. But in the end they were proud to be CPD and that is why we followed them much easier than we will ever follow you. In closing, Mr. Weis, you want us to stop "depolicing"? Start leading, and stop kissing the asses of the hacks who pay you and want their patronage to last forever. You have been the WORST Superintendant ever, even though I do believe you could actually come up with some good things for us, but are too meek to stand up for us to the guys who sign your checks.
Rant over, God Rest P.O. Richard Francis, I still miss hearing you on the air with your "Bumsicle" missions, my heart still aches! God rest each and every fallen officer on the wall, God protect every working police officer and their families, and God grant Mr. Weis the courage to stand up for us in our dept's greatest time of need.
I get the impression that the public thinks Supt. Weiss is doing a great job and police officers only resent badly needed change.
Most citizens have limited experience and knowledge of local law enforcement, usually from what they see on the TV and read about. Maybe, from that unpleasant experience of getting a ticket or falling victim to a crime perpetrate by the criminally anti-social. There's much more to this very socially complex occupation.
The FBI operates differently then local law enforcement. The FBI's organizational goals and objectives are different, much different. Everything is different and it should be that way by design.
Weiss's has made major errors in judgment by placing political hacks in key positions to run the Department. As demonstrated by the poor planning of the Taste of Chicago, increased Summer Violence, and the poorest morale among the hardest working officers
Corruption will increase and not decrease in the dept under Weiss covertly. The reason why is the tremendous influences of Chicago politics has on local policing. Weiss has already ignorantly followed along with either knowingly or accidentally appointed command positions to political insiders who are loyal to the Daley Democratic Machine. These appointees are well known among the ranks as incompetents who had easy careers due to their personal connections.
What Weiss has demonstrated to the rank and file so far is a lack of communication, poor leadership an ineffective management of resources.
Traditionally, the majority of rank and file on the Chicago Police Department has never agreed so much on anything as much as how poorly managed the Department has become under Weiss's administration.
Can it be fixed. Yes, but only a new superintendent who understands the complexity of local law enforcement issues who's dedicated to serving his community and has the character to separate Chicago's influencing politics out of the Department.
I was wondering what the heck this guy was talking about this Convention. Here it is.
IL Constit Conv
Illinois is Broke
The Civic Committee of Chicago, as long ago as 2006, has estimated that
“The total of all of the State’s unfunded obligations and associated debt for pensions, health care benefits and Medicaid is about $106 billion – roughly $8,800 per person for the 12 million residents of Illinois.”
If you want to know what that means, realize that that to pay these unfunded liabilities, Illinois Citizens are going to be on the hook for virtually every dime of that money. Why? Because the existing political class - a group that CAN NOT be voted out of office under current Illinois electoral and ballot access laws - WILL NOT cut spending or even cut the rate of growth.
Every day I wonder why the Federal Goverment has not gone after those corrupt Daley's. At least some reporters will say something or print something now and then but USAG Fritzgerald is a wimp he is more afraid of Daley and his brothers and the Crook County Democratic Party then major drug dealers and murders.
J-Fed is just a political dumb puppet of Mayor Shortshanks, why don't we have Political a corruption unit to investigate those Aldercreaturs and theiving Mayor and County President!
I see no light at the end of the tunnel with a depression just around the corner Mayor Shortshanks is set for another three years I hope everyones memory is long and sharp for the next Mayoral election!!!!!!!!
sgt ortiz said...
bring back the s o s units.they will clean up the killing fields of chicago.
9/19/2008 02:26:00 AM
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It won't be THAT EASY!
The States Attorneys DON'T trust us.....So as the CASES rain in t the courts if SOS or whoever gets rollin again, There may not be the CONVICTIONS we used to expect or get!
The ASA's in large percentages DO NOT LIKE OUR CASES (surveillances, drop whatever).
Problem IS most cases happen tis way and in a large volume but I guess if you deal with this from a court aspect you start to not trust the PO's brining in the numbers.
Judges have THROWN shiot out for years on us just for their OPINIONS only. Dispositions usually based on lack of credibility of the Officers (Judges like Epstein, Holt, Wright, Morrissey just to name a few....)
With all this BAD PRESS....Do you honestly think their MINDS WILL CHANGE? I think it will be worse and they will start hiniting toward PERJURY with a little help from the TRUSTED ASA'S assigned to their rooms!
Think AGAIN!
It may never be the same ever......Unless Cook County and its judicial system changes too.
Associated Press, CNN, Fox, USA Today, Minneapolis Star Tribune, et al.
LOCAL media coverage: NOTHING!
This leads me to but one inescapable conclusion: Daley has local media in his hip pocket.
Weis is nothing more than a mercenary toadie and hatchet man for Shortshanks.
Ask Peter "Judas" Karl how the cocksuckers in the Daley CLOUT regime operate. Fess up, Judas!
Pat Fitzgerald and the DOJ: MAYDAY!
One has to be pretty low to accept a position from one of a generation of thieves that may just slip between the cracks of justice.
Street stops are down a hell of a lot more than 3,700! Maybe event numbers for stops or contact cards or on-view arrests are down by 3,700. Street stops themselves are down in the 10s of thousands,if not more.
we are doing what every first responder is trained to do..protect ourselves first. Scene safety, scene safety....bad guy on scene has m-4, we have m&m's which melt in your mouth not in your hands. bad guy has lawyer, we have j-fed...
Yes there was a police shooting in 013 this morning. Two brothers were fighting and one was stabbing the other and wouldn't stop.
Civilian dress police first on the scene and one shot puts him down. I swear that when I arrived on the scene, I saw chalkie leaving out the rear door. I had no intention of stopping him, but only to shake his hand and tell him "job well done!"
This was a clean shooting and the biggest suprise was nobody in that part of the ghetto was throwing bottles at the police. My guess is they hadn't realized it was the police that did the shooting.
Stay safe, back each other up, and Good Job Officer R.D. of 013!!
You can say that this department was fucked up before Jfed got here but the bottom line was the cops got shit done. That isnt happening anymore. thanks Jfed!
How insignificant would it be for a vote of no confidence to start on this blog?
Just askin.
Shortshanks and J-Fed appear oblivious to the fact that they are sitting on a huge time bomb of their own making.
Tick-tock, motherfuckers!
Tick-tock.
The article appeared in the St. Petersburg Times today....got to keep those retired coppers in the know!!!
sgt ortiz said...
bring back the s o s units.they will clean up the killing fields of chicago.
9/19/2008 02:26:00 AM
Why? They are the ones that fucked everything up in the first place. They only thing those dudes were "cleaning" were everyones pockets.
Yippee !! 14 months (and a half) of retro pay so far.
The silence of Sun-Times Daley suckass Fran Spielman is deafening. John Kass of the Trib is the only member of the Chicago media that doesn't pull his punches.
Off-topic:
Put aside GPS: How about cameras on uniforms, as in Seattle? Check out 9/19/08 "Seattle Police Look Into Using Cameras on Uniforms" at
http://www.q13fox.com/
Off topic
Go to www.chicago2016.com not chicago2016.org(city's site) and give your opinion why the city should or should not host the Olympics! Lets see....violent crime up for one.
Of course the FOP didn't comment, they're too busy voting on this alternate work schedule, you know, the schedule that they didn't ask their membership if they even wanted.
Tell us, J-Fed.
Would you consider it "significant" that most major out-of-state newspapers picked up Associated Press (AP) writer Dan Babwin's article?
Either show character, integrity, professionalism, moral courage and leadership by standing up to that 800 pound gorilla Daley and his sacred clout or get your ass out of town.
You may well have done what no one else could do: UNITE US in our hatred for Shortshanks and you.
The only "transparency" you brought to the CPD is that you are a clueless jagoff that will sell your soul for a price.
SCC i agree 110% with this whole posting.....however two key things that were left out were the contract and the six day work week.
These two things are the icing on the cake! J fed is the cake however....lol
"Self-initiated" calls and "on view" felony pinches???
FUGGEDABOUDIT!
And to those that still find parkers and pissers, you are nothing more than clout-seeking pussies.
Anonymous said...
The catch 22 for Jody P. Weis is a doosie. He now has but two options: Quit or go after the corrupt Daley.
Sadly, he doesn't have the balls to do the latter.
9/19/2008 06:26:00 AM
He could "never" get daley as daley is to sly for the former SAC!
I'm retired from the Baltimore (City) P.D. and now live in Ellicott City, MD.
Two of my cousins are Chicago P.D. They told me about your blog and the morale problems with the new chief.
They even had a write up on it in today's Baltimore Sun.
Stay united and you will prevail. I heard that Mayor Daley is the real problem.
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2006/08/new-policing-technique-coming-to-your.html
About seven or eight years ago there was a movement to consolidate all ranks under exempt into one union,
Ya Right! I have some Bully Sgt. or Lt. looking to retaliate and we both belong to the same union. Can you say a conflict of interest. Who do you think is going to win the Sgt. Lt. or the PO. Get this in your thick skull a WHITE shirt is management. And they will side with the department every time. Fuck them get your own union. they are not your friends. again WHITE SHIRTS ARE MANAGEMENT!
You have to like this Lake County Sheriff.
Sheriff blames Chicago for immigrant crime
WAUKEGAN, Ill. (AP) -- Lake County's sheriff is blaming the city of Chicago's failure to control illegal immigrants for rising crime.
Sheriff Mark Curran said Thursday the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois have shown little interest in cooperating with Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Curran said he was doing his part to stop "the terror inflicted by many of these illegal aliens." However, he said he and his office does not tolerate any discrimination based on race or ethnicity or condone racial profiling.
Mayor Richard Daley said immigrants were an important part of Chicago, and that anti-immigrant groups overstate the amount of crime committed by undocumented immigrants.
Curran has applied for certification in a program which gives local law enforcement officials deportation powers under Immigration and Customs supervision.
What about no contract since June 2007, and no raises since January 2007,
Ask John McCain he wants to go after unions. tell him what you want per hour. I'm sure he has your back???
Civilian here---sorry to intrude
Things in the 25th district seem to be getting worse by the day and I understand it is not the rank and file's fault, that's not where I am going.After six serious incidents involving crimes committed against myself or property in the last 12 months, once no doubt my life being saved by a quick responding team of officers while I was beaten unconscious, and another checking my home after it was burglarized, I spoke with some officers and was surprised to find how demoralized CPD Officers are overall. I will say that I had an overall terrible experience with every single detective I spoke to; mostly because I expected them to actually investigate something rather than give me lip service. I think this has to do mainly with the steady erosion of morale in the department, for a variety of reasons that anyone working as a CP is well aware of and is well documented in this blog and elsewhere and does not need to be re-iterated.
Civilians fall into two camps, those who want a demoralized and ineffective police force, so their crimes can continue unchecked, and those who have their heads in the sand, like I was, who had no idea things were going so wrong until they literally hit me in the head. There are very few people who know what's going on in this city and the severe and profound effect the “de-policing” is having on all aspects of the life in Chicago.
On September 17th Daley attended one of those anti violence marches in my neighborhood of 45 years. Standing for a quick photo-op with him I point blank said, and understand this was said in a low voice, I’m not a yelling, whining liberal type,,ok,, “ You need to do something quickly about the demoralized members of the Police Department, you know there is a slowdown, its called de-policing, and …” At this point he almost knocked over the kids and elderly clamouring around him like a rockstar to get away from me.
He’s scared. The worse part of it is, I suspect he doesn’t know what to do about it, which is the scariest aspect of this.
He is ignoring the problem of de-policing, and indeed he is its greatest catalyst. By ignoring it, or pretending it doesn’t exist he thinks he can weather the storm, like he’s done so many times before through so many crisis and scandals. I respect his resilience. The problem is, the de-policing of Chicago will have long range far reaching implications that are so vast in scope to every aspect of life in Chicago, that to ignore it, and indeed foster it by actions taken that are well known to all of you on the force, this is the ultimate dereliction of duty by our honorable Mayor.
So, I ask you a serious question, and I understand that I am inviting scorn, ribald cop humor, and contempt for butting in here,,,
What can the average citizen do to end this de-policing ?
Condolences to the family and coworkers of Cook County Correctional Officer Jason Vazquez who was killed in Afghanistan while serving with the Illinois National Guard. He was only 24 years old.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7465564&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
Remember, those field interviews/street stops are UNCONSTITUTIONAL unless you have probable cause. Probable cause must be articuable and defined within the parameters of US Supreme Court decisions
Really? Whatever happened to reasonable suspicion?
Don't forget step one.
I think FOP is most likely shutting up because of the on going negotiations.
Gee, ya' think.
I don't admire the spot that they are in.
I am sure that they would love to respond loudly to each and every little thing that gets thrown around, but in the midst of the stalled contact talks it is better that they stand fast and get us what we deserve, then to play the city's game and give up too much.
Keep it up guy's. Some of us understand what is really going on.
So what's the deal with the commander over the airports? I met him a couple of weeks ago. What a goof. Is he really in charge of securing one of the nation's largest airports? Whose his juice?
"The most terrifying words in the English language are:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
- Ronald Reagan
Here's J-Fed
"She suggested instead that the drop in arrests means officers are focusing on serious crimes instead of such offenses as disorderly conduct and public drinking"
Drinkers are the only arrests I HAVE been making! HAHAHAHAHA
Got this via E-Mail, thought I would post it
I am a COP
Mr. Citizen, it seems you've figured me out. I fit neatly into the category where you've placed me. I'm stereotyped, standardized, characterized, classified, grouped, and always typical. Unfortunately, the reverse is true. I can never figure you out.
From birth, you teach your children that I'm the bogeyman and then you're shocked when they identify/associate with my traditional enemy.... the criminal!
You accuse me of coddling criminals.... until I catch your kids doing wrong. You may take an hour for lunch a nd several coffee breaks each day, but point me out as a loafer for having one cup.
You pride yourself on your manners, but think nothing of disrupting my meals with your troubles. You raise Cain with the guy who cuts you off in traffic, but let me catch you doing the same thing and I'm picking on you. You know all the traffic laws.... but you've never gotten a single ticket you deserve.
You shout 'FOUL' if you observe me driving fast to a call, but raise the roof if I take more than ten seconds to respond to your complaint. You call it part of my job if someone strikes me, but call it police brutality if I strike back.
You wouldn't think of telling your dentist how to pull a tooth or your doctor how to take out an appendix, yet you are always willing to give me pointers on the law. You talk to me in a manner that would get you a bloody nose from anyone else, but expect me to take it without batting an eye. You yell that something's got to be done to fight crime, but you can't be bothered to get involved.
You have no use for me at all, but of course it's OK if I change a flat for your wife, deliver your child in the back of the patrol car, or perhaps save your son's life with mouth to mouth breathing, or work many hours overtime looking for your lost daughter.
So, Mr. Citizen, you can stand there on your soapbox and rant and rave about the way I do my work, calling me every name in the book, but never stop to think that your property, family, or maybe even your life depends on me or one of my buddies.
Yes, Mr. Citizen, it's me the cop!
0303 09-19-08.
Do we have to go through this again? You do not need probable couse to perform a street stop. You need reasonable suspicion. Its called a Terry Stop. Enough!
Let them dig their own graves. Public opinion already gave up on us, let the bosses follow
SCC,
The Superintendant was right to get Cozzi indicted. He was a guardian of the public trust who abused that trust by beating on an unarmed man who did not represent a threat to life and limb. I think Jody Weis is doing an awesome job considering the circumstances. He has had to somehow pick leaders from a department that has not cultivated many charismatic, creative and competent leaders. We have too many third generation coppers who are seeking to repeat the errors in actions and thinking of their predecessors and forefathers. This is not Chicago of the 1950s and 1960s. This is a new diverse America where coppers have to be smarter, flexible in their responses and have an inate sense of justice tempered by empathy. The average copper who is critical of Mr. Weis is not as educated as he is, not in great physical shape like Mr. Weis, and have not had the breadth and depth of experience Mr. Weis garnered serving as an Army Commissioned Officer and as a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. SCC please stick to department gossip and idle conversation. When you dare to address topics beyond your deph and level of education you seem well so deficient. I am a
Gresham District Supervisor and former Marine who is proud and honored to have been Meritoriously Promoted after 20 plus years of distinguished service as police officer. As a result of the benefits provided all Chicago Police Officers plus my veterans benefits I have earned an associates degree in Police Science, a BA in Criminal Justice, and a Masters Degree in Public Administration. I accomplished these things while others were doing TACT, going to watch parties, and being court whores. After having traveled abroad extensively and bearing witness to the economic crisis facing our country I am grateful to receive a good salary and great benefits from the City of Chicago. We are lucky to receive the salary and benefits we earn, the equipment we use, and the growth opportunities on this job. GOD Bless the city of Chicago, its citizens, and its leadership. Come on folks put your COUNTRY FIRST and stop whining and muttering!
J-Fed is Daley's bitch.
Where is Missy, Amber, and CC??
I am beginning to think GMAN wants out and is going to disrupt everything until they pay him the rest of his contract and tell him,
"Thanks for playing JW but YOURE OUT OF HERE! Heres $666K plus bus fare, adios muchacho!" Next please.
Look for a national TV news magazine to expose Shortshanks and his corrupt stranglehold on the dept.
The problem is that when he came in he had a chance to make real change....he was off to a good start...a clean start starts with new people. Unfurtunately some of the changes were decent hard working people. After the begining....it turned into a great big shuffle. He had the opportunity to get rid of dead weight that sucks the life out of the working police.....aka pudding pop or lifetime merit hacks. There are plenty of working police out there. Yea some may not have the experience or law degree that may have been used to determine "worthyness"...or the phone call...but ask the officers that are out there doing the job who they listen too. The guys in the trenches beside them who aren't worried about getting a stain on their shirt. Lead by example. And put your money where your mouth is. GPS...fine..they are the city's cars...but let everybody have access to it. Then it realy is transparent.....the blue shirts will see the dogs calling in and laying down on jobs. They will see how some one way mfers will go out of thier way to avoid answering a call while some do 2 or 3 times thier share. What do you think will happen then? When the beat guy can see the truth....when they can see the field Lts' and the Sgts and the inspectors and the "elite" units...and see who is out backing them up....now we have a level playing field. WHO CAN COMPLAIN THEN....WE ARE ALL OUT THERE TO SEE. I have a long time to go...and despite all the "problems"...I love my job and go to work each day with a smile on my face.
I went to the candle light vigil....and look at the sacrafice made by each of the officers on the wall and consider it an honor to be able to serve on the same department, wear the same uniform, and ride in the same cars as these officers. I strive each day to continue to bring honor to this job in the eyes of the families who lost thier loved ones. I hope that the sacrafic my family makes on a daily basis, the fear of possible dangers, is for a greater good....so my kids can have a place to grow up that is safe. I want my kids to be able to look at what I do....and respect the sacrifice...because it is the right thing to do.
There is nothing that that we do on this job that is insignificant....nothing. We already have some leaders in this department that understand that....Jimmy Jackson for one...and it is time to let them take control. Leaders that listen to working police ...not the whiners who can qote the contract by heart in order to get what they need but refused to help a fellow officer on the street. We are only as good as the officer who pulls up on the call....any call....and this department should start with that.
9/19/2008 12:53:00 AM
A-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out the Chicago police force morale problem story in the San Francisco Chronicle.
Hey Lt's and Sgt's unions, how about doing what you have to do to come under the FOP Lodge 7 umbrella?
Then we would have real bargaining power and could present a united front.
It could work and would be in all our benefit.
Your Weis scandal is in the Philadelphia Inquirer today.
Watch the Stuttering Prick pin the tail on the J-Fed.
My in-laws called from Bloomfield Hills. The story is in the Detroit Free Press.
OT: It looks like Arenda Troutman's dog ass gangbanger boyfriend (who has fifteen kids) is singing like a bird about their relationship and how she conducted her aldermanic bidness.
I wonder if he'll tell how much official police information that fucking crooked bitch gave out.
Not to beat a dead horse here, but let us be clear, there is NO work slow down! This is NOT a job action!
We, the patrolmen of the Chicago Police Dept, are simply following the "rules"; we are abiding by the laws, procedures and regulations taught to us in the police academy, to the letter. We are playing their nit-picking game on them, and they don't like it!
We need to take a page out of the fire dept rule book and do a First Report of Injury EVERY time we are exposed to a pathogen or hazmat substance. We should go one step further and report every psychological trauma exposure too, every dead body we see, every domestic we mediate etc, then petition for decompression leave based on the number of these exposures, ( this would be a call-for-service partolman benefit only, FOR ONCE!).
We are policing the way the liberals, reverends, politicians and a healthy number of our fellow citizens DEMAND that we police ... guess what?
IT DOES NOT WORK!!!
Your G-Man police commissioner made the newspaper here. You guys need a rebellion.
Stay safe.
I stumbled across this posted on another police blog and thought it was hilarious, mind you the blog owner is a PO in a little town which makes it even funnier. You can't ever pull the wool over a copper.
Wednesday, September 17, 2008
Funny Feds story
I had a little chuckle today when I read that the BATF has lost some guns and laptop computers somewhere along the way and can’t really say when or where they last saw them. This reminded me of an incident in my patrol days that made me lose a lot of respect for federal agencies.
I was happily answering calls one fine day in my nifty new patrol car when I received a call on my cell phone from my Sgt. This was unusual in that he would normally call me on the radio, so it must be important.
“I need you to meet with some ATF and FBI agents in the parking garage at this super secret location. I don’t know what they want, just go and help them however you can.”
Wow, I thought, little ol me, helping out the mighty FBI and ATF with secret squirrel missions. This is gonna be good!
When I pulled into this super secret location I found it full of super secret undercover cars, all new model Ford Crown Victoria’s in shades of dark blue, maroon or tan. All of the cars had the same crummy hubcaps that scream “UNMARKED POLICE CAR”.
I was approached by a serious looking fellow who looked like he stepped out of SWAT magazine. I stood amazed at the shear volume of gear that he had hanging off of him. He looked like he was ready for all out war. He identified himself as an FBI agent and briefed me on my mission.
“We are going to be moving out here shortly and we need someone to stay here and watch the cars so no one messes with them”. I stared at him with my mouth hanging open and finally managed an “uhhhhhhh OK”. He turned back to a group of similarly outfitted folks and left me wondering what I had gotten myself into. I started looking around and saw raid vest and patches from every government agency that has ever had a nifty acronym. ATF, DEA, FBI, IRS, INS and even the Department of Health and Human Services. Who knew they had tacticool folks? Granted, their representative was armed only with a Sig P230 in .380 and a wicked looking tactical vest. I guess they don’t want to shoot anyone with a big mean gun, just a little, kind, compassionate gun. I gawked at an FBI guy who had what appeared to be a short samurai sword strapped to his gun belt.
I looked around and found some dirty, unkempt looking guys with long beards and dirty clothes standing off to the side of the federal huddle. Must be vice cops I thought and wandered over to get the real scoop. Sure enough, they told me that the Feds had a bunch of warrants to raid some Hispanic bars that were running South American prostitutes out of the back. They were not allowed in the federal huddle due to the super secret nature of their discussion. As the discussion got louder we realized that the major problem at this point was the order in which they would drive in the convoy. One agency would demand that they get to be in the front and others would argue that their portion of the case was much more important and that they should be in front. I couldn't’t believe it.
Finally they got the convoy straight and deployed in a super secret line of cars with interior lights flashing. Oh boy, the bad guys will never see them coming.
I looked around at the empty parking lot and decided that I should call my Sgt. and let him know that we were playing parking lot attendant. After a short discussion we agreed that the parking lot full of the feds personal vehicles would be fine without a police presence.
I drove back to sector to report to my Sgt. and we saw on the news live footage of the super secret take down. Yep, they had news media guys with them to report live on their wonderful deeds. They had a perimeter set up and were yelling through a megaphone at the occupants of the bar to come out and surrender. My Sgt and I had a good laugh because we routinely went into these same bars with a few officers to break up fights and do bar checks.
We were gratified to learn that the raids did “rescue” several gals that did not speak English who might have been working as prostitutes. I’m not sure how pleased they were to be sent back to their homelands though.
I’m sure that there are a lot of very good, well educated and intelligent folks if the federal agencies. Maybe it’s because they hire people right out of college who have no real street experience. Maybe it’s just hard for us local yocals to comprehend the agency mentality.
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Department spokeswoman Monique Bond disputed the notion of any deliberate slowdown by police, saying, "There is nothing that we have to prove or support a theory like that."
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Bond here is a clue, look closely you might miss it...
WE ARE SLOWING DOWN.
What can the average citizen do to end this de-policing ?
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Vote Republican. If Obama gets in, it's over.
Michelle Obama's cousin Mike ( It doesn't cost the city THAT much when I harass the womens) Shields, I be rockin this place dog, I be the main mo-fo up in here soon. I be learnin to read and shiiiiit.
SCC, why would you allow a post such as this to see the light of day? This is about as blatantly racist as can be.
Can anyone here say honestly that Shields has done a bad job? I haven't seen him make any negative missteps since he was promoted to Deputy Supt, and he's a big improvement over the man he replaced. He's probably one of the more solid people around J-Fed in that rank right now.
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Racist?
Is Mike Shields Michelle Obama's cousin, yes or no? If yes, it's the truth and therefore not racist.
Did Mike Shields harass a woman and was there or was there not a payout? If yes, it's the truth and not racist.
Is he well spoken? Making fun of his speech pattern isn't necessarily racist. Sometime a cigar is just a cigar.
Is Shields doing a good job? That's a matter of opinion and open to debate. But the fact remains that he should never have been promoted with his history of sustained CR numbers for sexual harassment.
"Try sitting in an office for 8 hours a day. Or in some cases unfortunately, a cell.
9/19/2008 06:54:00 AM"
Well, we know that the city and county hacks do somewhat less than the former, if only they'd do much more of the latter.
Care to volunteer?
"9/19/2008 01:21:00 AM"
For a second there, I thought you were posting about daley.....
De-policing? You haven't seen anything yet! Fuck us out of a pension and you get the mother of all shit storms.
Vote NO on con-con!
"You need to know what these terms are and what they mean or do us all a favor and don't do anything!
9/19/2008 07:33:00 AM"
First off, what the words mean and what they have been, and are being, interpreted to mean are two different things. Which, I believe, you know all too well.
Second, your request to "....do us all a favor and don't do anything!" is granted.
"GOD DAMN ! there is still one good cop left!!!
9/19/2008 07:33:00 AM"
There are thousands, and, though many may feel like they've been damned by 'God', God isn't responsible for the actions of the truly damned individuals who are to blame for the current political environment.
"Ever heard of reasonable suspicion?
9/19/2008 09:39:00 AM"
Yes.
It's a fairy tale told by assholes to the naive little children who think they know what being a cop is all about.
Do yourself a favor and wait until you no longer need to wear a diaper before you dip your twinkle toes into that deep, bottomless pit called 'reasonable suspicion'.
Why?
Because this ain't your grandpa's police department anymore.
The Weis cover-up and the CPD rebellion story appeared in most major newspapers. This includes New York, San Francisco, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit, Minneapolis, L.A., D.C., Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, Denver, Phoenix, St. Louis, New Orleans, Seattle and USA Today.
Shortshanks next move is so predictable. Scapegoat the WEISel.
"...Unless Cook County and its judicial system changes too.
9/19/2008 11:02:00 AM"
In any election where the voter is given the opportunity to vote on whether to RETAIN or NOT RETAIN a sitting judge, guess which choice will result in actual change?
"How insignificant would it be for a vote of no confidence to start on this blog?
Just askin.
9/19/2008 11:53:00 AM"
For shortshanks?
Now is the time to Recertify or Decertify your union and unite all the rAnks under the exempt rank with the PBPA.
UNITED WE STAND,DIVIDED WE FALL!!!
9/19/2008 12:15:00 AM
Say what you want about FOP, the PBPA in Chicago is a fucking disgrace form top to bottom. Aks them how many times they've beaten the City at labor arbitrations or lawsuits. Then get the same stats from FOP. Not even close. FOP is, by a mile, the better union. Those PBPA losers need to pull on some new Depends undergarments and learn to fight.
.....Remember, those field interviews/street stops are UNCONSTITUTIONAL unless you have probable cause. Probable cause must be articuable and defined within the parameters of US Supreme Court decisions. ,,,,,
Hey Goof...go back to school, the treshhold is reasonable suspicion, not PC.... thats the problem around here , all these 4 yr wonders think they know fucking everything!
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This made me sick to know that a Chicago PO doesn't know the difference between Probable Cause and Reasonable Suspicion/ We have some poorly trained and ignorant people on this job.
What can the average citizen do to end this de-policing ?
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Vote Republican
Of course the FOP didn't comment, they're too busy voting on this alternate work schedule, you know, the schedule that they didn't ask their membership if they even wanted.
9/19/2008 12:38:00 PM
No, no, no. The FOP did ask the membership. They just didn't ask YOU cuz you're an asshole. One more peep out of you and the FOP will hold a secret vote on burning down your house.
In all fairness, I think you point the finger in the wrong direction concerning the unraveling of the Police Department. If you're pointing your finger at someone besides yourself and the Department for the activities that initiated the change, the Finnegans, the Abbattes, SOS and the rest, those are initiatives that originate and end with you, and the rest of the Department.
Is there some aspect of law enforcement activity you, as patrolman have been denied to enforce.
You have Sergeants trying to get freebies off street whores, other Sergeants trying to take pics of female motorists tits, patrolman trying to arrange hits on other patrolman and on and on.
Where does personal responsibility come into play? Don't you think it gets a little tiring trying to point a finger at someone else all the time? Its like one of your kids, when you catch them off base, and they always respond, "it wasn't me".
For all the bullshit you carp about, most of you are still here. Why is that? The whole, fuck the city attitude of the bloggers here puzzles me.
Are there other career opportunities out there that would capitalize on your knowledge, skills and experience? If there are, why not jump ship and make a happier life for yourself there.
I'd like to see something in the job description of patrolman that says the front line troops dictate policy and procedure. I don't believe General Orders, Special orders and department notices are some huge secret. There's an order and a procedure that details what we're supposed to do in every law enforcement scenario.
Unfortunately, beating up bartenders, shaking down motorists, burglarizing drug dealers and getting free blow jobs aren't covered. But these are the things we point the finger at City Hall about. I don't get it.
We have more freedom that almost any other job. The work slowdown proves that. Once you leave roll call, you pretty much can do whatever you want, where and whenever you want. So whats the problem?
Try sitting in an office for 8 hours a day. Or in some cases unfortunately, a cell.
9/19/2008 06:54:00 AM
BROTHER, YOU'VE SAID A MOUTHFUL.
The PROBLEM with US is US. We can blast away at J-Fed and Daley all we want to here, but WE put ourselves behind the proverbial 8 ball. Bad actions, and unacceptable consequences to these bad actions by the disciplinary arm of the CPD once those actions became open to public scrutiny.
We've screwed ourselves, and the only way things will improve is if we all work together to make it so.
The City has us exactly where they want us, packed into an aquarium, nipping at each other's tails, as rodents are known to do. But hey, don't worry, it'll be all good when McCain gets in to the Oval Office. Sure.
[...]We have more freedom that almost any other job. The work slowdown proves that. Once you leave roll call, you pretty much can do whatever you want, where and whenever you want. So whats the problem?
Try sitting in an office for 8 hours a day. Or in some cases unfortunately, a cell.
9/19/2008 06:54:00 AM
And your point is?
I think you, miss the point.
More than anything else, all of the issues you describe are attributable to the lack of true leadership in this department. Assuming that each individual had a predisposition to act in the manner described. It is the responsibility of the departments' leadership to address personnel issues, i.e., behavioral problems.
Instead, the buddy system is in place, and people are promoted that shouldn't have been. Then these same bosses do their best Sgt. Schultz impressions. You know, plausible deniability.
Maybe, if the leadership had intervened in a timely manner, most if not all of the "scandals" from the near past would have been avoided. Instead, you have claims that the department is out of control.
An outsider is then hired to fix the department and suddenly cr investigations are being reopened, and agreements ignored.
Now the blueshirts have nothing but apathy towards the job, and people ask why.
Not one officer that I know of has condoned the alleged actions of the officers accused. However, the accused do have the same rights as every other citizen, or non-citizen, in the U.S.
All of this is what gives us the right to feel as we do.
0654 , What the fuck did he say . DUH !!!!
Keep up the de-policing, idiots. The dreaded federal takeover is just around the corner.
The average copper who is critical of Mr. Weis is not as educated as he is, not in great physical shape like Mr. Weis, and have not had the breadth and depth of experience Mr. Weis garnered serving as an Army Commissioned Officer and as a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation....I am a
Gresham District Supervisor and former Marine...
9/19/2008 04:11:00 PM
Wow! I am awestruck! First of all, doofus, there is no such thing as a "former Marine," at least not in the United States, so that's where you gave yourself away. The rest of your post reads like a comic book, "Weisman and Robin." (You can be Robin.)
It is important that we learn the truth.
Did Channel 7's Ron Major find it necessary to caution Weis and his buddies about the solemnity of the candlelight vigil because they were laughing and whooping it up?
I called the Roe Conn radio show on WLS 890 promptly at 1400 hours today because, in the absence of Jim Johnson, Ron Major was filling in as the news commentator for the first two hours.
I explained my query, but the producer did not want to take the call, stating that there was no plan to talk about the incident. I then e-mailed Roe Conn and his producer about the incident and stated the need for CPD officers to know if the rumor was true or not. I received no response, as of yet.
I turned off the radio in disgust and do not know if the incident was ever discussed.
Ron, Roe, and that pussy producer, listen up. If you haven't already, tell us the truth. True or not? Ron, if you had the balls to take on Weis, have the balls to tell us the truth. We already know Weis is no good, but we need to know if you believed that he was dishonoring our honorable fallen, and told him so. If he did, he has truly broken the camel's back.
J-FED, take off the uniform you did not earn and do not deserve.
Weis and Brust:
I gave you two the benefit of the doubt even though better informed officers advised against it. they have since proven me wrong. I've had the opportunity to attend those farces you call Crime Accountability Review meetings, which has irrevocably proven to me that you are the most inept, incompetent police administrators this department has ever had. You were mediocre FBI agents ( yes, I remeber the Joseph Airhart debacle, Weis)and even worst police administrators( I won't call you police officers, you've never earned that distinction).Weis, as far as i'm concerned, you're the CEO of the FBI - Forever Bungling Incompetents-foundation, while the slack jacked, limp wad twerp of a second in command of yours-Peter Brust, aka Rusty Peter- aka Brusty the Clown-aka the Professional Standard-is a clueless idiot that didn't know jack about police work except from what he watched on COPS. Brust, you clueless ill informed ass, quit sucking up to one of your tainted deputy superintendents, and embarrassing yourself as trying to pass yourself off as informed when we ALL know you don't know what you're doing, or what you're talking about. Your CAR meetings are second only in stupidity and ineptitude to your self, and the CEO of the Weis FBI foundation.
Nobody , not even your knighted gold star cluster respects you,believes in you, or will follow up, thats why public safety in this city will continue to go down the tubes under your watch. I can't wait for the day mayor takes his meds, and boots you two assholes out the door.
.....Remember, those field interviews/street stops are UNCONSTITUTIONAL unless you have probable cause. Probable cause must be articuable and defined within the parameters of US Supreme Court decisions. ,,,,,
WOW! I hope this person is still in the academy. I was thinking about this as funny....its actually kind of sad. This is why we get sued. Coppers you need to know the law thats the best way to NOT get sued. Obviously this person doesn't.
We have more freedom that almost any other job. The work slowdown proves that. Once you leave roll call, you pretty much can do whatever you want, where and whenever you want. So whats the problem?
Try sitting in an office for 8 hours a day. Or in some cases unfortunately, a cell.
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I know that the person who wrote this post is going to get hammered on the blog, but he should not. While I will admit the Weis was not the best choice, and he has made some bad Command change decisions this shit is not his fault. The Cozzi decision, horseshit for sure. But the reason he is here is the fault of all the PO's that have fucked up, from SOS to Abbate on down the line. But here's what I think; no scandals, no Weis. Cline's still here or if he left the replacement would have been a policeman, not the over his head fed.
I read a lot on here about de-policing, and the reason given is no contract and the fucked up system that we have as far as collective bargaining and the city not co-operating. Will everyone start kicking ass and go back to aggressive policing after the contract is decided (and it will be)? Or will the complaint be that we didn't get enough and as such the de-policing continues. My guess is that the same dogs will be dogs, and the workers will be workers. Same as always.
There have always been (I have 24 yrs) good and bad bosses, just like now. The difference is that now everyone says that 30% (the merit) are all assholes or dummies. I can't believe that all of the merits are bad, nor are all off the listers good. Whether there should be merit is open to some debate. In the military there is, but the requirements are more transparent. Thats the problem with our system, it's behind closed doors, and the requirements ambiguous at best, bullshit at worst.
I will say again, that I think Weis was a bad choice, but no one could do what needs to be done given our system. That system being the fact that Daley runs the show and holds the pursestrings. I think if he could Weis would buy new cars, rifles, radios and all the other shit we need. Daley wants the money for the Olympics, period. I'd also bet Weis would like to hire more people, but again, no money.
In closing my rant, I will say that those who think PBPA would do better than FOP, you can forget that shit. I've called them with questions, and they don't know shit from shinola. Ummmm I think so, maybe not I'll get back to you. Can't get a straight answer. FOP is far from perfect, but they are far better than PBPA, and I was in FOP for a long time.
Finally, I think that Chicago coppers are the best in the land. I love the fact that even with this de-policing stuff, when one of us needs help everyone comes running.
Good job in 013. Stay safe everybody!
Anonymous said...
Aunt Bea wouldn't even go to a DOC meeting when she was in A/1 because they told her that she had no idea what she was doing. What to do, what to do, send a sgt in her place at the last minute and tell everyone its because she didn't want to look bad because she knew she was getting promoted.
9/19/2008 12:19:00 AM
Absolutely. The goof sat there biting her lip and twitching her face. Real professional, eh, sis?
"Anonymous" troll at 6:54 AM, 4:11 & 8:24 PM
FUCK OFF, SHILL!
Once a MARINE always a MARINE!!!
PPO J-Fed has been an inspiration to me.
I feel so motivated I may do a contact card sometime after the first of the year.
Boss you are the cats meow!
A big yellow pussy cat!
I myself have two German Shepard’s just in case some big bad febbies come knocking on my door.
I will start working the day Cozzie comes back to work.
Thanks boss I’m very inspired!
Deny Michael Robbins, deny Constable James Quinn and persecute and unjustly destroy the likes of Cozzi and many others; and you will know the vengeance of a lawful and righteous God.
Keep denying the truth, keep in darkness and keep in silence all that speak rightousness...
They did not deny JOHN Thomas
Say what you want about FOP, the PBPA in Chicago is a fucking disgrace form top to bottom. Aks them how many times they've beaten the City at labor arbitrations or lawsuits. Then get the same stats from FOP. Not even close. FOP is, by a mile, the better union. Those PBPA losers need to pull on some new Depends undergarments and learn to fight.
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I don't know the numbers, but there are FAR FEWER grievances put through with PBPA than there are with FOP, as there are FAR FEWER members... I suppose if you had all the numbers you could compare percentages, but you have not posted even a remote argument or basis to support your point..
As far as any arbitration or negotiation or even grievance, the PBPA provides the legal stuff, the people who are on the board (CPD members ALL) are the ones who make the decisions on what to do. SAME WITH FOP, if you don't get involved, you won't get what you want out of your union no matter which union you belong to.
You obviously don't know the history of how the supervisors ended up with PBPA.
Hey Lt's and Sgt's unions, how about doing what you have to do to come under the FOP Lodge 7 umbrella?
Then we would have real bargaining power and could present a united front.
It could work and would be in all our benefit.
9/19/2008 04:52:00 PM
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Once again, you probably weren't around when the supervisors signed on w/PBPA.
I would hope and bet that this will never happen..
Hey Lt's and Sgt's unions, how about doing what you have to do to come under the FOP Lodge 7 umbrella?
Then we would have real bargaining power and could present a united front.
It could work and would be in all our benefit.
Right I want Management in the same union. They got enough spies.
"9/19/2008 10:30:00 PM"
If you still think that 'de-policing' is only about a contract, then you haven't been paying attention.
Try reviewing the blog for the past 6+ months.
"The City has us exactly where they want us, packed into an aquarium, nipping at each other's tails, as rodents are known to do. But hey, don't worry, it'll be all good when McCain gets in to the Oval Office. Sure.
9/19/2008 08:24:00 PM"
And we taxpayers pay you to suck the daley tit and puke up this vomit when you get home?
That's just wrong.
I accomplished these things while others were doing TACT, going to watch parties, and being court whores. After having traveled abroad extensively and bearing witness to the economic crisis facing our country I am grateful to receive a good salary and great benefits from the City of Chicago. We are lucky to receive the salary and benefits we earn, the equipment we use, and the growth opportunities on this job. GOD Bless the city of Chicago, its citizens, and its leadership. Come on folks put your COUNTRY FIRST and stop whining and muttering!
9/19/2008 04:11:00 PM
GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!
Insignificant? Well, a turd is insignificant...but it sure gets your attention sitting in the middle of the pizza you just ordered from Domino's.
SCC, you are the turd on J-Fed's pizza!
he problem is that when he came in he had a chance to make real change....he was off to a good start...a clean start starts with new people. Unfurtunately some of the changes were decent hard working people. After the begining....it turned into a great big shuffle. He had the opportunity to get rid of dead weight that sucks the life out of the working police.....aka pudding pop or lifetime merit hacks. There are plenty of working police out there. Yea some may not have the experience or law degree that may have been used to determine "worthyness"...or the phone call...but ask the officers that are out there doing the job who they listen too. The guys in the trenches beside them who aren't worried about getting a stain on their shirt. Lead by example. And put your money where your mouth is. GPS...fine..they are the city's cars...but let everybody have access to it. Then it realy is transparent.....the blue shirts will see the dogs calling in and laying down on jobs. They will see how some one way mfers will go out of thier way to avoid answering a call while some do 2 or 3 times thier share. What do you think will happen then? When the beat guy can see the truth....when they can see the field Lts' and the Sgts and the inspectors and the "elite" units...and see who is out backing them up....now we have a level playing field. WHO CAN COMPLAIN THEN....WE ARE ALL OUT THERE TO SEE. I have a long time to go...and despite all the "problems"...I love my job and go to work each day with a smile on my face.
I went to the candle light vigil....and look at the sacrafice made by each of the officers on the wall and consider it an honor to be able to serve on the same department, wear the same uniform, and ride in the same cars as these officers. I strive each day to continue to bring honor to this job in the eyes of the families who lost thier loved ones. I hope that the sacrafic my family makes on a daily basis, the fear of possible dangers, is for a greater good....so my kids can have a place to grow up that is safe. I want my kids to be able to look at what I do....and respect the sacrifice...because it is the right thing to do.
There is nothing that that we do on this job that is insignificant....nothing. We already have some leaders in this department that understand that....Jimmy Jackson for one...and it is time to let them take control. Leaders that listen to working police ...not the whiners who can qote the contract by heart in order to get what they need but refused to help a fellow officer on the street. We are only as good as the officer who pulls up on the call....any call....and this department should start with that.
9/19/2008 12:53:00 AM
A-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9/19/2008 04:46:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Did'nt Jimmy have a say in some of these promotions? Some real rocket scientest were picked for promotions under his watch. Daley sure the hell gave the blessing for Jimmy to have that spot.
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT ITS ALWAYS WE WHEN SOMEONE FUCKS UP.
ITS NEVER ME WHEN THE PROMOTION COME OR BEING ABLE TO WORK AT THE AIRPORT.
IM SUPPOSED TO QUIT WHEN IM UNHAPPY WITH THE JOB. I KNEW THE RULES COMING ON THE JOB!
ALL THE PREACHERS WHO THINK THEY ARE THE GREATEST PERSON IN THEIR FAMILY B CUZ THEY HAVE A SHINY BADGE TAKE A DEEP BREATH...
THEIR IS NO WE
U DONT SEND MY KIDS TOO SCHOOL
U DONT PAY MY MORTGAGE
U DONT EVEN ARREST PEOPLE ON MY BEAT(I KNOW THAT 4 A FACT.)
DONT PREACH ABOUT OATHES
U DO WHAT U DO AND WHINE ABOUT OBAMA AND DALEY LIKE THE GOOD REPUBLICANS U PRETEND TO BE.
JUST WORK YOUR PART TIME AND PAY UR CHILD SUPPORT 2 UR 1ST WIFE. KEEP UP WITH YOUR 2ND MORTGAGE AND THOSE CAR PAYMENT U FINANCED.
TELL EVERYONE UR A GREAT PERSON AROUND U. THE TRUTH IS WE R AS EXPENDABLE AS THE BOOT GUYS ONCE U FIGURE THAT OUT U MAY GET AHEAD OF THE GAME..
Anonymous said...
So what's the deal with the commander over the airports? I met him a couple of weeks ago. What a goof. Is he really in charge of securing one of the nation's largest airports? Whose his juice?
9/19/2008 03:06:00 PM
Look at his charming micro-managing protege' he put in at midway another reason this plane has no wings! Carroll and Moran might of been different but they at least helped the police! These 2 well??
Excellent point by this Anonymous. The famous words of Fred Sanfords sister-in-law from Sanford and Son
"OOOOOOOOOO glory!"
Anonymous said...
Well what did it for me was when they started to try to control what we do OFF duty.
They try to fire us for being intoxicated over .04
Get the hell out here.
I enjoy going out to bars, listening to live music, going to fests, having friends over for bbq and drinks, etc.. And just b/c i've had a couple beers and some asshole comes up to me and tries to start a fight I'm supposed to walk away or let him pummel me.
Fuck that and Fuck the bosses that want to control every aspect of our lives.
If we don't have our guns on us, why should we not be able to get as shit faced as we want?
And if we get into a fight, well guess what, that's life. Shit happens sometimes and sometimes some people need to be put in thier place. Fine, suspend me a few days, whatever, but is it if a chicago policeman gets into a fight they go for agg bat and try to fire them, but any other citizen it would barely make it to misd branch court and then dropped. It's insane and not right.
Anyway, that is why they can enjoy my zero's at checkoff.
9/19/2008 02:09:00 AM
Of course the FOP didn't comment, they're too busy voting on this alternate work schedule....
Trust me...I'm no fan of the FOP regime we have now, but the reason they did not comment is that they can be held in contempt of court if they made a comment that could be construed as the Union backing a work slowdown. The members of the Union cannot, in their official capacity as Union leaders, call for or advocate any actions that may "jeopardize public safety", such as a strike, work stoppages or slowdowns. Still, vot all of them out in a couple of years. Maybe keep Bella, but Dougherty, and the rest need to go.
9/19/2008 04:11:00 PM
HOLY SHIT, you sure did drink the Kool-Aid!
"The Superintendant was right to get Cozzi indicted. He was a guardian of the public trust who abused that trust by beating on an unarmed man who did not represent a threat to life and limb."
And Cozzi had his day in court and took his punishment. What J-Fed did was punish him AGAIN. Unnecessarily. Not to mention the fact that you have probably only seen what the rest of the public has - and not the events leading up to the videotape, you jagoff.
"I think Jody Weis is doing an awesome job considering the circumstances."
What--you mean taking the BJ from you?
"He has had to somehow pick leaders from a department that has not cultivated many charismatic, creative and competent leaders. We have too many third generation coppers who are seeking to repeat the errors in actions and thinking of their predecessors and forefathers."
Not cultivated, sure. Because all it has done is promote mericloutoriously from within based on who people know and who people blow. Thereby not giving hard-working coppers who would MERIT a MERIT PROMOTION the chance to move up and make a difference to this department.
"This is not Chicago of the 1950s and 1960s. This is a new diverse America where coppers have to be smarter, flexible in their responses and have an inate sense of justice tempered by empathy."
No, it's not. Back in the 50s and 60s, most citizens (even the shitheads) had some sort of respect for the police. The shitheads knew they'd get tuned up if they mouthed off. Most parents kept their kids in line. Most people gave a damn about their community.
"The average copper who is critical of Mr. Weis is not as educated as he is, not in great physical shape like Mr. Weis, and have not had the breadth and depth of experience Mr. Weis garnered serving as an Army Commissioned Officer and as a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation."
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Education does not an intelligent person make. One can have multiple degrees and still be dumber than a box of rocks. Book learning means nothing.
Wait for it....wait for it....
"I am a Gresham District Supervisor and former Marine who is proud and honored to have been Meritoriously Promoted after 20 plus years of distinguished service as police officer."
Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding! I love how you ID yourself as a "supervisor." And you had to wait 20 years to be meritoriously promoted? Why did it take you so long to get connected? Oh. Wait. I'll bet it was because someone was so fucking sick of listening to you rant a la this post, they put you in for it because they wanted to be rid of your sanctimonious ass.
"As a result of the benefits provided all Chicago Police Officers plus my veterans benefits I have earned an associates degree in Police Science, a BA in Criminal Justice, and a Masters Degree in Public Administration. I accomplished these things while others were doing TACT, going to watch parties, and being court whores."
And I have accomplished my promotion WITHOUT merit, by studying for the exam WITHOUT a super-secret study group, while going to watch parties, while going to court, while working my shift, while raising a bunch of kids, while having a life, and without being a total stroke.
"After having traveled abroad extensively and bearing witness to the economic crisis facing our country I am grateful to receive a good salary and great benefits from the City of Chicago."
Good for you. Get ready to be screwed out of it if Da Mere has his way.
"We are lucky to receive the salary and benefits we earn, the equipment we use, and the growth opportunities on this job."
Any working equipment I use is purchased by me - weapon, vest, uniform, cuffs, etc. Don't know about you, but my radio is a piece of shit that dies, my car is a piece of shit that dies (I should probably say "my cars" here because there have been days when I've had to down more than one car because of breakdown), my computer is a piece of shit that doesn't work most of the time.
Growth opportunities? You mean the growth that happens in anticipation of/due to a BJ from an underling? Because that's about all there is right now.
"GOD Bless the city of Chicago, its citizens, and its leadership. Come on folks put your COUNTRY FIRST and stop whining and muttering!"
The Shitty of Shitcago needs all the blessing it can get. It has no "leadership." Just a mayor who wants to bleed it and its citizens dry, you included. This has nothing to do with putting country first.
Signed,
Not SCC, but a boss who works and supports the working police
I am a Gresham District Supervisor and former Marine who is proud and honored to have been Meritoriously Promoted after 20 plus years of distinguished service as police officer.
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I am having a hard time finding the words to describe what a total F*CKING moron you are. You are soooo special!!!!
Civilian here---sorry to intrude
Things in the 25th district seem to be getting worse by the day and....
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Hi There,
The first three lines of your post said it all... and I’ll explain as a 025 copper:
025 is be cursed.
90% of the officers have serious mental issues. It is the “Mental Ward” of CPD, where parents send their problem childs. The hard working POs are never acknowledged, the non-Italian and non-Irish officers are never given opportunities, and the un-clouted officers are never taken care of. There are so many good officers who are constantly overlooked because they don't have a phone call, or don't belong in the “clicks”. And the reason why you are not being serviced is because popularity is recognized, not dedication or intelligence. We have inexperienced, clout-infested 2-year wonders, gathering intelligence on our robbery, gang and tact teams which are all a JOKE. The same inexperience coppers don't care about doing a good-job, they only care about wearing jeans and a tight t-shirt. Afraid to get down and dirty, afraid to break a sweat, and afraid to ruin their perfectly gelled hair. Discipline is not enforced due to the volume of officers and the volume of work, so things are overlooked and many officers are left un-supervised.
"...if so, it's the truth and not racist..."
Since when have we let the truth get in the way of the excuses some people make?
The Keesing Bandit says---
"Gresham supervisor and former marine..."
Wow--your resume made me sweat.
Are you available to meet me at Starbucks?
Now, kees me you fool!!!
Keep up the de-policing, idiots. The dreaded federal takeover is just around the corner.
9/19/2008 09:26:00 PM
Oh yeah? What are they gonna do? Same thing as J-Fed? That'll really motivate people. Give it a rest. Who gives a shit who is in charge? It doesn't mean shit to the guy on the street. They do, or don't do, as they see fit and can influence city policy as a result.
We have more power than you jagoffs want to publicly admit.
Anonymous said...
The average copper who is critical of Mr. Weis is not as educated as he is, not in great physical shape like Mr. Weis, and have not had the breadth and depth of experience Mr. Weis garnered serving as an Army Commissioned Officer and as a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation....I am a
Gresham District Supervisor and former Marine...
9/19/2008 04:11:00 PM
Army officers are not special. I have seen examples of army officers on this job and not impressed. No such thing as a former marine you goof. Being a officer does not qualify you to lead this department. FBI take years to close a case. CPD does not have the luxury. Crime is up and arrests are down. Something is wrong.
Why? They are the ones that fucked everything up in the first place. They only thing those dudes were "cleaning" were everyones pockets.
9/19/2008 11:54:00 AM
Hey bonehead, you are embarrassing yourself!
[...]
What can the average citizen do to end this de-policing ?
9/19/2008 02:51:00 PM
Vote the little-turd mayor and alderthieves out of office in 2010.
Call 311 and 911 with requests for service, when needed.
Come on folks put your COUNTRY FIRST and stop whining and muttering!
9/19/2008 04:11:00 PM
Hey Pvt. Pyle, you gave out enough biographical information as to identify yourself. Your post is obviously one big blow-job to ensure your next merit promotion to Lt.
Keep up the good work, you must be making your clout proud.
[...]I explained my query, but the producer did not want to take the call, stating that there was no plan to talk about the incident. I then e-mailed Roe Conn and his producer about the incident and stated the need for CPD officers to know if the rumor was true or not. I received no response, as of yet.[...]
Stop listening to roe conn!
"In any election where the voter is given the opportunity to vote on whether to RETAIN or NOT RETAIN a sitting judge, guess which choice will result in actual change?
9/19/2008 07:40:00 PM"
None of the above.
The whole process is rigged, your honor. Just look at the process for selecting judicial candidates.
Anonymous said...
Insignificant? Well, a turd is insignificant...but it sure gets your attention sitting in the middle of the pizza you just ordered from Domino's.
SCC, you are the turd on J-Fed's pizza!
9/20/2008 12:51:00 AM
Anonymous said...
The Keesing Bandit says---
"Gresham supervisor and former marine..."
Wow--your resume made me sweat.
Are you available to meet me at Starbucks?
Now, kees me you fool!!!
9/20/2008 07:20:00 AM
Whoever you guys are - thanks for starting my day off with a laugh! (And thanks again SCC for a great blog!)
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT ITS ALWAYS WE WHEN SOMEONE FUCKS UP.
ITS NEVER ME WHEN THE PROMOTION COME OR BEING ABLE TO WORK AT THE AIRPORT.
IM SUPPOSED TO QUIT WHEN IM UNHAPPY WITH THE JOB. I KNEW THE RULES COMING ON THE JOB!
ALL THE PREACHERS WHO THINK THEY ARE THE GREATEST PERSON IN THEIR FAMILY B CUZ THEY HAVE A SHINY BADGE TAKE A DEEP BREATH...
THEIR IS NO WE
U DONT SEND MY KIDS TOO SCHOOL
U DONT PAY MY MORTGAGE
U DONT EVEN ARREST PEOPLE ON MY BEAT(I KNOW THAT 4 A FACT.)
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How in God's name did you ever even learn to tie your shoes???
Seriously, you are scaring the hell out of me---they let you carry a gun??? You should not even be allowed near sharp instruments.
God help us all if you are on CPD!!!
"None of the above.
The whole process is rigged, your honor. Just look at the process for selecting judicial candidates.
9/20/2008 09:53:00 AM"
So, what you're saying is that it doesn't matter how many citizens register to vote, vote on election day and vote to NOT RETAIN, because only the votes cast to RETAIN are counted?
"Since when have we let the truth get in the way of the excuses some people make?
9/20/2008 07:13:00 AM"
Define 'we'.
Please.
"I am having a hard time finding the words to describe what a total F*CKING moron you are. You are soooo special!!!!
9/20/2008 04:42:00 AM"
You did good.
I have a comment about Mike Shields. When I first met him he was just promoted to 005 as Commander. He then moved to A/2 Dep Chief. As I seen him here and there he would say Hi and even called me by my first name. He left A/2 and went to 35th Street. Then it became reality. You know,the "forget where you come from". Not only did he walk past me as I stared at him to make eye contact to say Hi, he didn't look at me, let alone in my direction and I know he seen me. Sorry I'm still wearing a blue shirt, I'm just a working PO with no clout.
Garry Meier said...
[...]I explained my query, but the producer did not want to take the call, stating that there was no plan to talk about the incident. I then e-mailed Roe Conn and his producer about the incident and stated the need for CPD officers to know if the rumor was true or not. I received no response, as of yet.[...]
Stop listening to roe conn!
9/20/2008 09:13:00 AM
Listen to 560 A.M. except for Rush Limbaugh 890am is shit! Dennis miller is great, and rest of the conservative team fuck conn just an idiot who sold our Gary Meier and brought the goofy bill left who has no talent whatsoever! Time for wls to can conn!
To the stroke 006 white-shirt:
I would love to tell you how big og a total jag-off you are, but "Signed,
Not SCC, but a boss who works and supports the working police
9/20/2008 04:40:00 AM"
took to words out of my mouth, and did a damn good job at it!
When you figure out that you are part of the problem, then what are you going to do? We hope quit when Judas Fed leaves!
There are 3 different types of people who wear that white shirt: Supervisors, managers, and LEADERS! Suck-asses like you fall into the first two, and poorly might I add! The bad thing is; you probably think you are in the third category.
As for your “Former Marine” comment, DO NOT DISGRACE the same uniform I and a ton of others on this job wore! 006 is a big, dangerous place. God forbid you keep up with your REMF desk-pilot attitude. Accidents happen! But it will be easy to spot your type when the shit hits the fan, hidden behind a solid object (like a desk), in a big puddle of your own piss.
The next time you take the prick out of your cock-holster and speak, at least do some research and figure out FACTS , you might not come off so much as the sanctimonious jag-off that you really are!
I get the impression that the public thinks Supt. Weiss is doing a great job and police officers only resent badly needed change.
To the contrary-- the majority of civilians think the Supt. sucks!! We saw it during the City Council Hearing when Cuello made an ass of herself and he couldn't explain basic shit like how many commanders he had-- we immediately caught on when he had the nerve to wear the uniform-- we saw it when Taste of Chicago got out of hand-- we saw it then-- we STILL see it, and in this day and age of the 10.25% sales tax, residency requirements, no raises, poor school system, crime on the rise-- We SEE it and FEEL it, and cannot believe this shit too!
Joker said...
Come on folks put your COUNTRY FIRST and stop whining and muttering!
9/19/2008 04:11:00 PM
Hey Pvt. Pyle, you gave out enough biographical information as to identify yourself. Your post is obviously one big blow-job to ensure your next merit promotion to Lt.
Keep up the good work, you must be making your clout proud.
9/20/2008 09:03:00 AM
Almost sounds like Dave B. from A/5 Gang Int. Sec. Has been up his neighbor's ass - the Screaming Skull- since he got promoted. Any closer and Dave could tells us what soul the skull had for dinner.
Don't worry Dave you can stop bragging about how he has guaranteed you to make merit Lt. BUT now that Boudreau is back who knows? I guess time will tell.
Good luck butterbean!
If you still think that 'de-policing' is only about a contract, then you haven't been paying attention.
Try reviewing the blog for the past 6+ months.
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I know its about more than the contract. It's about Cozzi, Weis, cameras, gps, and a ton of other shit. The overall theme of my post was that Weis would not be here if so many coppers didn't fuck up. I'll stand by that.
"I know its about more than the contract. It's about Cozzi, Weis, cameras, gps, and a ton of other shit. The overall theme of my post was that Weis would not be here if so many coppers didn't fuck up. I'll stand by that.
9/20/2008 09:09:00 PM"
Granted.
And, in one of those miracles of irony, that appear from time to time, Weis may be the catalyst that leads to the end of the Crook County Democratic Party's reign of thievery.
Because that's the bigger picture here.
To conduct an interview of a citizen you are not required to have probable cause.
And that citizen has the right to walk away from you....that citizen does not have to give you his/her identification.........that citizen can beef that you harrassed him/her because you wanted to interview them.....You'd better have some reason for putting the stop on them rookie............
Why is everyone so worried about Mike Shields? Sure he did some unethical things rising up to the ranks, but he's not the only one. Come on, other District Commanders and Deputy Chiefs seem to always do favors for people they like. Look at the 006th District, they put all these chicks begging for spots on 2nd watch in CAPS spots and other easy spots never giving seasoned officers a chance. Look at the 004th District..Tell me what's with the long legged female in 004 (Dense I might add) who got a spot as the Abandoned Buildings Officers soon as she got off probation. WTF? I hear she is REALLYCLOSE to a high ranking white shirt in 004. She makes no bones about walking around the district like she owns the place. Anyone know anything about that??? Rumor has it that she will be leaving to go to another spot once her sponsor gets promoted...Mark my words and Stay tuned.
Anonymous said...
Michelle Obama's cousin Mike ( It doesn't cost the city THAT much when I harass the womens) Shields, I be rockin this place dog, I be the main mo-fo up in here soon. I be learnin to read and shiiiiit.
SCC, why would you allow a post such as this to see the light of day? This is about as blatantly racist as can be.
Can anyone here say honestly that Shields has done a bad job? I haven't seen him make any negative missteps since he was promoted to Deputy Supt, and he's a big improvement over the man he replaced. He's probably one of the more solid people around J-Fed in that rank right now.
9/19/2008 07:55:00 AM
Thanks Mike
And, in one of those miracles of irony, that appear from time to time, Weis may be the catalyst that leads to the end of the Crook County Democratic Party's reign of thievery.
Because that's the bigger picture here.
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If that happened, it would make watergate look like a leak in the dam. I think it runs too deep and on too many levels to ever happen. We can hope though.
Stay Safe.
Can anyone here say honestly that Shields has done a bad job? I haven't seen him make any negative missteps since he was promoted to Deputy Supt, and he's a big improvement over the man he replaced. He's probably one of the more solid people around J-Fed in that rank right now.
Are you serious ? He's been good since he's been promoted ? Shouldn't being good be a prerequisite of being promoted ? You can call me racist if you like, but, if any of these transgressions as reported were committed by a white patrolman...he'd be gone. Instead, they promote him to make him behave. What an absolute joke !
Hi There,
The first three lines of your post said it all... and I’ll explain as a 025 copper:
025 is be cursed.
90% of the officers have serious mental issues. It is the “Mental Ward” of CPD, where parents send their problem childs. The hard working POs are never acknowledged, the non-Italian and non-Irish officers are never given opportunities, and the un-clouted officers are never taken care of. There are so many good officers who are constantly overlooked because they don't have a phone call, or don't belong in the “clicks”. And the reason why you are not being serviced is because popularity is recognized, not dedication or intelligence. We have inexperienced, clout-infested 2-year wonders, gathering intelligence on our robbery, gang and tact teams which are all a JOKE. The same inexperience coppers don't care about doing a good-job, they only care about wearing jeans and a tight t-shirt. Afraid to get down and dirty, afraid to break a sweat, and afraid to ruin their perfectly gelled hair. Discipline is not enforced due to the volume of officers and the volume of work, so things are overlooked and many officers are left un-supervised.
9/20/2008 05:24:00 AM
Angry much?
Do not take the position to speak for the officers of the 025th District. You whining is indicative of so many of the 'wonder boys' that have shown up in the last few years all feeling that after their first uuw pinch they should be bestowed everyones awe & reverence and instant placement on a team.
Get over your damned self.
The current roster of the 'teams' are filled with you diaper rashed brats. Why? Some clout, sure - it's CPD. But primarily it's because we senior officers no longer want to be part of something that has become such a joke.
If that is something you aspire to then I suppose you should include yourself in that 90% you proclaim in 025.
Beyond that - twisting the citizens comments to create your own grandstand is pathetic. That or you just didn't read it.
Go back and re-read the post. The poor experience was from Area 5 Detectives - not 025.
I, for one thank the original poster for the kind commentary considering the blow-off I'm sure they received from Area 5.
To the original poster,
You actually can do alot. Our voices have been silenced.
These are becoming frightening times in this City. For many reasons. A major reason is that the 'silent' majority - those who support CPD have stood silent too long.
It's time to ban together and become the 'squeaky wheel' that this City responds to. Stand up for your rights as a tax-paying, law abiding citizen. Bang the drums of discord that you,and others who have been repeated victims of undeserved violence and demand your elected officials un-cuff their police. It is only going to happen when the tax-base of this City demands (& rightfully so) what you pay for versus what the fake reverends and public service abusers have taken for so long.
Back to Mr. YouOweMe, let me conclude to state I am neither Irish, nor Italian - not that I think that it matters personally.
025 is an interesting place without a doubt. At times, we obviously anger the Indian Chief and bad things happen. But in my over 10 years of service in 025 have been some of the best years I've had on this job. One thing that is NOT tolerated is snot-nosed whiners so worried about what everyone else is doing/not doing. Pull that crap 10 years ago and you would've found a rat impaled on your antenna.
Do YOUR job. Worry about what YOU are doing or not doing. If you have something coming to you, it will come. And if it doesn't, who cares? Your check will be the same. And you won't develop ulcers.
There is no entitlement, despite what a lot of the 20somethings on this job think (which is NOT exclusive to 025). No one owes you anything, most of all respect. If you're SO unhappy - bid out. I hear 006 could use a Wonder Boy like you - they're working in a damned war zone these days.
We are a strange lot, but we are family. Do not presume you can come to a public forum, have your temper tantrum and it would be left as the truth. We actually have a citizen, who has had some terrible things happen to them, bravely come & post positively about the police on this blog and this is how you reply? Save your pity-party for your cat to enjoy. No wonder no one pays attention to you....
(oh, I may have some misspelled words - but your grammar is horrible!)
"Define 'we'.
Please.
9/20/2008 12:18:00 PM"
You and him.
You're welcome.
Chicago DePolice Patches are being produced and will be sold in the new future. Watch for it.
jonk said...
Why is everyone so worried about Mike Shields? Sure he did some unethical things rising up to the ranks, but he's not the only one. Come on, other District Commanders and Deputy Chiefs seem to always do favors for people they like. Look at the 006th District, they put all these chicks begging for spots on 2nd watch in CAPS spots and other easy spots never giving seasoned officers a chance...
What seasoned officers? Most of the district has less than ten years on,although working in that shithole , you get a lot of experience real fast!
To conduct an interview of a citizen you are not required to have probable cause.
And that citizen has the right to walk away from you....that citizen does not have to give you his/her identification.........that citizen can beef that you harrassed him/her because you wanted to interview them.....You'd better have some reason for putting the stop on them rookie............
9/21/2008 07:57:00 AM
You can interview anybody you want to asshole. What are you a fucking ROOKIE asshole? Do you really think that the you have to have probable cause talk to a person and if you don't it's a good beef?
The reason you put a stop on somebody is reasonable suspicion. If you have probable cause you don't put a stop on them, you arrest them. Go back to the lock up fuck face. You have how much time on the job?
You can interview anybody you want to asshole. What are you a fucking ROOKIE asshole? Do you really think that the you have to have probable cause talk to a person and if you don't it's a good beef?
The reason you put a stop on somebody is reasonable suspicion. If you have probable cause you don't put a stop on them, you arrest them. Go back to the lock up fuck face. You have how much time on the job?
9/22/2008 04:38:00 PM
Who are you kidding?
Enjoy the multitude of law suits awaiting you from the harrassed citizens that you decided to "interview"........and the anger management class that awaits you "killer".........
"You can interview anybody you want to asshole. What are you a fucking ROOKIE asshole? Do you really think that the you have to have probable cause talk to a person and if you don't it's a good beef?
The reason you put a stop on somebody is reasonable suspicion. If you have probable cause you don't put a stop on them, you arrest them. Go back to the lock up fuck face. You have how much time on the job?
9/22/2008 04:38:00 PM"
And what do you do when the citizen you "...put a stop on..." walks away from you?
What is Reasonable Suspicion?
The Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and its protections extended to brief investigatory stops of persons or vehicle falling short of arrest. A reasonable suspicion determination is made by the totality of the circumstances of each case to see whether the detaining officer had a particularized and objective basis for suspecting legal wrongdoing. Past cases have recognized reasonable suspicion was a somewhat abstract notion – a deliberate intent to avoid a neat set of legal rules. Rather than viewing incidents in isolation, the proper test is to look at factors as a whole to determine if there is reasonable suspicion.
A police officer can conduct an investigative stop and briefly detain and question a person for investigative purposes when the officer has a reasonable suspicion supported by articulable facts. Subsequent to a valid Terry stop, a police officer can search the individual for weapons where the officer has reason to believe the person is armed and dangerous. In assessing whether the suspect is armed, the officer doesn’t have to be absolutely certain; the issue is whether a reasonably prudent person in the circumstances would be warranted in the belief that his safety or that of others was in danger.
So in fact No..No...you can not "put the stop on" anyone you feel like "putting the stop on" you must have reasonable suspicion to suspect legal wrong doing....so get back in your squad car before you get yourself into trouble............
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