Um, Northwestern? You Are Morons
- As video bond court is set to be scrapped, a new study claims that the decades-old practice in Cook County resulted in higher bail amounts for defendants.
The Northwestern University study, released Thursday, found that bail amounts for most felony crimes increased by 65 percent since closed-circuit hearings began in Bond Court in June 1999. By contrast, bail set in homicide or serious sex crimes—where defendants continued to appear in person before judge—remained relatively static, the study found.
Thanks to Northwestern University, bail amounts for most felonies will be reduced. That means more jagoffs walking the streets, more opportunities for the criminal to locate and convince witnesses not to testify, maybe even permanently "remove" witnesses from ever testifying.
High bail is a good thing. Having predators in cages is a proven method for reducing crime. Judges holding bail hearings via video removed the human element (i.e. defendants playing on the sympathies of bleeding heart liberal judges) from bond hearings and forced judges to apply the bail rules equitably across the board.
Perhaps the Northwestern study should have looked at why bails were set 65% too low most of the time. It might help to explain the burgeoning crime rate.
UPDATE: Last line corrected to reflect the 65% figure meaning bail amounts, not occurrences. We were half asleep typing this one. Apologies.
High bail is a good thing. Having predators in cages is a proven method for reducing crime. Judges holding bail hearings via video removed the human element (i.e. defendants playing on the sympathies of bleeding heart liberal judges) from bond hearings and forced judges to apply the bail rules equitably across the board.
Perhaps the Northwestern study should have looked at why bails were set 65% too low most of the time. It might help to explain the burgeoning crime rate.
UPDATE: Last line corrected to reflect the 65% figure meaning bail amounts, not occurrences. We were half asleep typing this one. Apologies.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
38 Comments:
Bernardine Dohrn strikes again?
Now think about his please. The knife cuts both ways.
the purpose of bail is to assure the appearence in court. Not to punish or keep offenders off the street.
Thats waht prison is for AFTER a conviction
It is a fine line and a difficult decision just how much bail to set.
Arrestees are innocent until they are proven guilty and so excessive bail sort of punishes a person who has been convicted of nothing
Im not agreeing with Northwestern.
I am trying to explain something to SCC
Lets see if he insults me
Did Northwestern provide the percentage of convictions for the persons held on the higher yet permitted bail? Maybe the bail of the accused, brought in person before the court, was set too low. How do all bail amounts compare to other jurisdictions?
Why is it that once these upstanding citizens are free, be it on bail or released all together, the Northwestern community doesn't invite them into their school. Why don't they provide jobs, homes, income?
It's all about making themselves feel good. These predators are not released to the streets of Evanston, but to the streets of Chicago, Harvey, Maywood, etc.
Where they can continue their criminal tendencies.
While the Northwestern community sits secure in their privileged ivy campus and town, the citizens of the afore mentioned communities must remain prey.
Arm yourselves good citizens.
To protect yourselves from the eggheads!
Our criminal justice system sucks! As law enforcement officers most of us realize that. Unfortunately, the politicians, judges and lawyers mostly live in nice neighborhoods and don't realize what the hard working lower income citizens have to put up with. They need to realize that's why people hate judges, lawyer and politicians.
Northwestern indeed! Play havock to the criminal system while in school, then run off to daddy's firm and make six-figures. Oh well. The best we can hope for is for them to get robbed on the way back to their condo!
Let's try lowering the bail amounts for the predators that leave Shitcago and look for their prey in Evanston first. Let these liberal fucks have exactly what they asked for. Oh his bond shouldn't be that high he didn't mean to strong arm rob the Northwestern undergrad!! Fuck you Northwestern.
This world is heading into one fucked up direction.
Let me get this straight. Everything we the law abiding citizens have to pay such as taxes, fees, etc. keeps going up, up, up, but the criminals are getting a break on their bail rates? Wow. Only in liberal Chicago. Maybe we could give them a bonus such as every 10th bail is free.
Let them start with one of their own illustrious grads--Our own Governor Blago. Then, he refined his academic skills at Pepperdine Law school
Maybe they shouldn't worry about the judicial system. They should focus more on the Doctors at Northwestern Hospital and the scam that was just unveiled over there. How about a study into that?
Just to show you how these egg heads manipulate data to produce a desired result (more shitbags on the street):
In homicides and serious sex cases there is always "no bond," so, of course, there was no change with the video system because bond was never offered.
Prior to the video system, prosecutors and judges relied on that old rap sheet, which is almost impossible to read. Prior arrest history/convictions/parole and probation status are now clearly shown. Prosecutors also have immediate access to details of cases that resulted in conviction, particullarly those for violent crimes.
Today, older offenders can't avoid facing their past at a bond hearing. Juvenile arrest records are available for younger offenders. It's their past that is resulting in higher bonds, not the video system.
There are less inmates in county today than years ago, so overcrowding is less of a concern and defendants now have to face more legitimate, albeit higher bonds.
The Northwestern study is only meant to increase costs for an already overburdened system. Northwestern's only objective is to obstruct law enforcement at every turn.
It's nice to know that elected judges are all too willing to appease them.
As "The Beast" makes his way into the happy hunting ground known as Evanston and invades the Northwestern campus even further, attitudes may change.
While I generally agree with you that high bails are a good thing, you're seriously off base in this post.
First, the study wasn't even released until after the decision was made to do away with video bond court, so blaming this idea on Northwestern does not make sense.
Second, you do not seem to understand the study's results. You say, "Maybe Northwestern should have looked at why bails were set too low 65% of the time." According to the Tribune's article, the study found that bails increased, on average, 65%, not that bail increased for 65% of the defendants.
I am not sure what the point of this post is other than to say "Them liberal college types want to mollycoddle criminals." If you want to critique these sorts of studies, taking a college course in statistics would actually be a good thing.
the purpose of bail is to assure the appearence in court. Not to punish or keep offenders off the street.
Thats waht prison is for AFTER a conviction
It is a fine line and a difficult decision just how much bail to set.
Arrestees are innocent until they are proven guilty and so excessive bail sort of punishes a person who has been convicted of nothing
Im not agreeing with Northwestern.
I am trying to explain something to SCC
Lets see if he insults me
12/15/2008 03:43:00 AM
No But i will. You are not a cop if you are retire already. You can't afford starbucks once retired. So what if they can't afford the bond money. If you can't pay don't play. what's next blaming the victim for being victims. Instead of looking out for these pieces of shit criminals why not help third world countries in need. But i guess you never arrested someone on a warrant that didn't want to go to jail but still running around causing problems. Fucking douche.
29 years and a day said...
the purpose of bail is to assure the appearence in court. Not to punish or keep offenders off the street.
It would sure seem that the purpose of bail is to insure that the defendant HAS to hire an outside lawyer and that the bail (or a good portion) is turned over for his retainer and fees. I have seen guys and girls with a $5000D bond lose all $500 at a 1 or 2 rock drop case because the judge will not allow a public defender because a cash bond was put up. I personally love to see it, but, that does not make it right. Where do you think the judges come from ? They were lawyers at one point and are just helping they're own. The bar attorney at any felony probable cause court makes over $1000 a day...why ? Because the judge forces defendants to speak with him or her if they had to put up cash to be released. Like i said, I love to see the dope man lose his money, but, that doesn't make it right. Just another form of "legal" payouts and kickbacks. It is the illinois way, right ????
29 years and a day said...
"...Not to punish or keep offenders off the street.."
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You are correct, except that it is to keep them off the street in cases that they pose an immediate threat to the public. There cannot be a uniform bond policy because it varies from person to person and offense to offense.
On a side note... it's amazing... liberals attacking a system run by democrat/liberal judges who keep getting elected by huge margins.
Once again I have to ask: how can democrats be the source and solution to all of our problems?
The problem with televised bond hearings is that the defendant's
charming personality doesn't come across as well as it does in person. Also, the judge can't see and hear momma crying in the background. On the other hand, they do save time and money.
I suggest a compromise. Have the guy stand behind a cardboard figure of someone in a tuxedo, with a hole cut out for his face.
Also, hire a few 300 lb. gals to fill in for concerned family, and a dignified-looking dude with a
bible to pose as his preacher and testify as to the guy's sterling character. I could be available on weekends.
29 yrs and a day where?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
In cases where a defendant has been found to be a dangerous individual or potential flight risk there should be an extremely high bond, ex. previous convictions agg batts, uuw's, sex crimes, robberies, foreign born people who more than likely will return to wherever they came from for a very long time.
Crooks County + low bond + liberal judges= you can beat this case
Hey 29 and a day, ok so lets lower bail on a shithead accused of kllling someone and wait until he strikes again for no bond. Maybe then it wil be worth it. These northwestern kids and professors dont dare walk in the ghetto and most likely have never been related to a VICTIM of a crime. Hard to be though when u grow up in barrington and lake forest and think thats reality
To 29 years and a day.....
You are PARTIALLY right. But, isnt also to ensure the safety of the community ?
They should be looking at the level of bail versus whether or not the offender shows up for trial. If he shows up, its enough.
A couple of years ago I was flagged down at a traffic crash at Thomas and Hamlin (011). An new Acura with UIC alumni stickers vs an oldtimer in a 80's Chevy. Long story short the driver of the Acura was a proff at UIC her husband at Northwestern. Believing all the problems with certain members of society were a result of discrimination, oppression, etc they adopted a young girl from Lawndale. The crash occurred because the proff ran a stop sign while frantically driving around looking for their daughter who stole all their jewelry, CC's, and the husbands car.
it'll be mostly the liberal yuppies-sissy boys and girls who will be gettin jacked up by the career criminals out on bond anyway, so who really cares? Let the career college kid Mommas boys and girls have it their way. Let the anti-police crowd fend for themselves.
Does anyone ever check the validity of these studies? Does Northwestern just produce a study and it's taken as gospel?
On the other hand, how about doing a study of how many times these poor unfortunates are repeat offenders? Or better yet, how about a study of past Northwestern studies and see just how they affected real life? Can't wait for the first lawsuit over the scumbag who gets a reduced bail because of this study and then goes out and rapes and kills somebody's mother, daughter, or sister.
Anonymous said...
A couple of years ago I was flagged down at a traffic crash at Thomas and Hamlin (011). An new Acura with UIC alumni stickers vs an oldtimer in a 80's Chevy. Long story short the driver of the Acura was a proff at UIC her husband at Northwestern. Believing all the problems with certain members of society were a result of discrimination, oppression, etc they adopted a young girl from Lawndale. The crash occurred because the proff ran a stop sign while frantically driving around looking for their daughter who stole all their jewelry, CC's, and the husbands car.
12/15/2008 03:43:00 PM
Stories like yours make me feel all warm and happy.
29 and a day sounds like an imposter.
Yes bail is set to ensure that shithead appears in court but it’s also based on his ten page rap sheet, how heinous the crime was and how big his flight risk is. AND to keep animals where they belong, in their cages.
We should start driving all those eligible for bond right to Northwestern campus and let them rape, kill, steal, maim and desecrate your fantasy land. But why should everyone else suffer for a few assholes who truly believe it’s always society’s fault, not the asshole committing the crime.
We're fucked, scratch that, the good citizens of Chicago are fucked. I'll be waiting for the Beast in the shadows.
12:15-11:13pm & 12:15-08:20am is right-love 'em both, & scc you too.
northwestern, hope the fanclub of criminals you love will murder and rob you mother fuckers. HAHAHAHAHAHA
oh, and, no, I am not a cop. so don't blame them for what I just said. some of us like cops that arrest murderers and robbers and rapists, no, we LOVE cops that arrest murderers, robbers and rapists.
one more thing, FUCK YOU
NWU HAS BACKED THE "RUSS CASE' AND THEY HAVE SUED THE CITY MANY TIMES- THEY ALSO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH CHICAGO FOR VARIOUS STUDIES " YOU KNOW THOSE TRAFFIC CONTACT CARDS, NORTHWESTERNS BRAIN CHILD"...THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST LIBERAL SCHOOL IN CHICAGO, JESS JACKSON JR. I BELIEVE WENT THERE.
the truth is that bond hearings are done, for the most part, on speed dial. When defendants come out before the judge, PDs almost always were speaking to them for the first time, asking their age, education, and how much money they could come up with. The reality is that if bonds are higher now, maybe it is because PDs, who represent most of the criminals at bond hearings in Crook County, are failing to do the most basic thing... talk to these guys to get the info that is necessary for possible lower bonds. But maybe they do not want to spend that much time back in lock up.
In a typical bond hearing at 26th & Cal, the judge wants to be done so quickly that he barely looks up anyway, whether or not someone physically appears before him or her, or not.
Finally, presumably NWU did this study based upon bond amounts and not comparing actual cases that came before the judges before or after. That could be comparing apples and oranges. Armed Robbery and ACSA to UUW or Burglary.
Criminal justice is the right word, because it's really about justice for criminals. :(
Hey you remember those cocksuckers from Norhtwestern "Center for Wrongful Convictions" ???
Ya, I remember ...
Remember the CPD locked up the black guy for a murder ...
that black guy (sorry this is not racial - I just don't remember the guys name) gave a confession to the Big Blue ... you know, to the detectives of the C.P.D.
guess what ?? the "center" went out and found the real killer ... they said the killer locked up by CPD was 'coerced' into confessing ...
how did they find that 'real killer' ...well ... they got him to confess ....
yes he confessed to the 'center's' private investigator (some Italian name)
Guess what? the 'new' killer gets to court and says his confession was 'coerced'
and this is the best part ... the Northwestern Center for Wrongful Convictions top guy called the allegation "OUTRAGEOUS"
so to some it up, when a killer confesses to the CPD the confession is coerced according to the Northwestern Law School's Center for Wrongful COnvictions ... but when a killer makes the same allegation of coercion against the investigator of the Northwestern University Law School Center for Wrongful COnvictions the allegation is "OUTRAGEOUS"
Ya, I remember them. Do YOU?
12/15/2008 3:43:00PM...
LOOOLLLL!!!
how very fitting that their little experiment in social engineering became an object lesson in terror... the good professors should be counting their blessings that little darling didn't stage a home invasion party complete with beatings, torture, sexual assault and the murder of one or both of these clueless future victims...
liberal, clueless, narrow-shouldered, triscuit nibbling egg-heads will curl up in the fetal position & allow themselves to be simultaneously sodomized & cannibalized...
One of the best times I ever had on the job.
Robbery Dicks returning to the Area on the midnites.
Old drunk yelling in a car.
Driver says, "He was incapacitated, and asked me and my wife for a ride home."
Old drunk says "They tried to rob me!"
Kafka sprang immediately to the P.D.s mind. Especially when he was told by the dicks (remember them??) that they would have to take the whole thing into the Area, and call an ASA, since the old drunk was a "citizen who had his rights, too."
Watching the PD and LibMama clutching their chests, while living their paranoid family, we finally gave them the kiss off.
Old drunk had his address in his wallet. We took him home to a nice german neighborhood, second floor front.
Knocked on the door. HausFrau was not impressed by our public service. "You keep that drunken son of a bitch." So we set him up in a lawn chair, and beat feet.
Give a Lib lesson. Might (doubt it) make him, her or shim think about it.
It's funny how people in a university who never once strapped on a weapon or pinned on a badge or tightened up their body armor are experts at law enforcement.
25 years ago I had to begin learning exactly how much I didn't know about policing. That was day 1 in the academy. You have to do this job to have a credible opinion on how it ought to be done.
There are lies, dam lies and statistics. Statistics can be made to prove whatever you want them to prove.
Ya, I remember them. Do YOU?
12/16/2008 09:43:00 AM
Seriously...could you post some kind of link to this story, I'd love to be able to read and print it out.
Thanks,
Roberts
Ya, I remember them. Do YOU?
12/16/2008 09:43:00 AM
Seriously...could you post some kind of link to this story, I'd love to be able to read and print it out.
Thanks,
Roberts
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Ya, gimme a day or two and look again on this thread. tempted to say it was the Anthony Porter case ......
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