Things That Make You Go "Hmmm"
Interesting:
- Let the privatization of the CPD begin:
Commander Ball 005 addressed roll calls yesterday about a handful of P.O.'s who haven't been cooperating with the new private security company patrolling Michigan Ave from 103rd -115th. Commander wanted us all to know how politically connected this security firm is, how right now as we speak they are in the process of getting city council permission to issue parkers and movers. That's right, per a commander of police a security outfit may be conducting traffic stops and writing movers.
Commander made a big deal about how successful a Canadian security program like this was effective. I'm not sure if Canada has the same problems as Roseland but I do know that one of these elite new security guards locked a trespasser on the sidewalk! Also found two rocks on the guy. Great work except for the obvious civil rights violations. Since they don't have the power to arrest (yet), CPD has to lock them up. Any wonder why some officers aren't cooperating?
My questions: what training do these morons get? Who is bankrolling them? Who is liable when the lawsuits come?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, theyre not here to take jobs from the police. Thats what the commander said. But what are they doing? Riding on domestics and other jobs they have no business riding on. Who indemnifies them? Seems to me like Mayor Midget and his crooked alderthief Beals found out a way to save the taxpayers some money. And yes, it is apparently Beals who has been complaining that the police won't cooperate with "his" security force.
We know there's that other private firm that patrols on the south side that's bankrolled by the neighborhood and businesses. We can't remember where exactly, but quasi-police forces being given police powers to patrol city streets and neighborhoods? Sounds like a large number of laws, ordinances and contracts being violated. Readers?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
192 Comments:
Ball is full of BS
We are forced to sign complaints for the private companys in 011 on there "dope" pinches!
Hey you guys are yelling about being shorthanded...well here HELP!
They are telling us what to do and say they have the authority. Right now they tell us what cars to write parkers to and call the boss if we don't.
San Fran's "Patrol Special Police" have been an unpopular idea with the SFPD since the 1800's... Except in the Chicago version there has to be some manner for the well connected to make some serious profit from the endeavor, thus the "security company" fulfilling the same role... Nice (eye roll)
Leave him alone. THat is DeputY Chief Dana Alexander's boy (why is this nut a Deputy Chief?), so that means he is joining the ranks of the kiss ass, back stabbing black bosses. They would sell their mother for 30 cents just to make it big on CPD.
I remember working in 8 with marquette security running around creating more problems then solving them. In the end instead of them making the arrest and processing them we get to do all the paperwork while they jawjack about how great they are.
from about 67 to 70 stony to crieger there is a security firm "patrolling" the neighborhood.
WOW! I don't know where to start with this one.
2 main points though
(1) Anyone taking an arrest from these fuck nuts better be getting a direct order from there immediate supervisors and ask him/her his court key because he will be making the appearance for court.
(2) If they ride on domestics, or any call for that matter, they need to be ordered to leave IMMEDIATELY or they will be subject to arrest.
Nobody cares, or should care, how much juice they have or who they are connected to. You have to protect your ass and do your job properly especially in today's climate. They don't need to be finding work for us (we have plenty of supervisors that do that for us already)and they shouldn't be given the chance to impede or interfere with an investigation of any kind.
There are private security patrols around 67th and Cregier,In marquette park,several CHA 'hi risk' areas.(arent they ALL high risk)In 024 around Howard and Marshfield,and other areas that are either gated or contracted via assessment by the community they "patrol". Security Agencies are governed by the Illinois Department of Professional and Financial Regulation.(Room 9-300 State of Illinois building Chicago)Training at the MINIMUM is 40 hours so as to be permitted to work Armed and only 20 hours for unarmed positions. Liability(a million dollar policy) is required prior to awarding of any contract in Chicago or immediate collar areas(cook county only)None of these guards have "arrest powers" they are supposed to only detain for the police. The requirements go on and on and I dont think SCC will allow such long a post. If however the private security agency,guard or contractor is deemed a Public Safety Department(Like Lathrop homes was in 2004-2007) there are certain powers that the officer does have inclusive of arrest(citizen arrest)If they are deemed Special Police then they have Police power of arrest. Insofar as running on jobs outside the contracted area...they are on their own not covered under company insurances or even by State law. For further info see the Illinois Privatge Detective act Chapter 134 for more detailed information.
More info if you would like, get back to me Lathrop One.
Parkers and movers ? Traffic stops ? You have to be kidding me. Are these people armed ? What a brilliant idea...When private citizens realize that someone not the police is trying to stop them, its gonna get ugly...real ugly...i wouldnt stop for them, I would assume some sort of impersonation is going on. Bad Idea !
Are they armed? If so check everyone of them for a valid tan card and perc card. They tried the same thing on Commercial about eleven years ago and it did not work. Just like the CHA police complete failure.
A few blocks west of western around 75th to 71st has private security.
per a commander of police a security outfit may be conducting traffic stops and writing movers
---
Good. Let them see for themselves.
Can Loevy n Loevy still sue the taxpayers if the private force violates someone? Good. Phew!
Fine.
At the top of each arrest report write the following:
Per 005 District Commander Ball....
I will tell them to leave my domestic, and arrest them for obstruction if they don't, they are not the police and have no power to arrest and not be present on calls which is a violation of privacy to the parties of the call. The public should sue these guys if they are talked to by security guards and arrest them for impersenation, they are not the police and have no right stopping citizens. No academy training and no star, everything issued by them should be thrown out of court, and then sued for millions because they are not the police, and by state law only police can arrest for MCC ordinaces and past crimes.
Off topic, but speaking of patrols...
Thank you 1614 for coming west of Cumberland. I know we don't call much but thanks for driving by. It's nice to see a beat car working his/her beat for once.
If I get one of them to "arrest" me who can I sue?
SCC, You are thinking of "Special Service Area #14" Servicing 69th to the south to the tracks to the north, kedzie to the tracks at the 8/7 border. This was paid for by tax levies imposed on the properties within that area. Not really a city deal but a community deal. It is probably the same thing that is going on in that new area. As far as the citations go, i don't think it's going to fly. The security firm would probably want a cut from the citations and I don't think the district courts are going to allow non certified officers to legally write movers.
I used to work for SSA 14 back when it was not really a joke. The security firm running it was not connected and won the bid to get the contract. Back then (2001) it was a great program, the firm actually hired certified PO's mostly off duty CPD or Cook County. At that time they had respect since the Officers in 008 knew that some of us were actually CPD. I do remember there was one kid who was on as an armed security officer. He was small and had a big gun and a great help when we needed someone with habla skills. He was always paired up with a CPD officer while on duty and I don't remember him ever working alone. Never got to work with him since I was working nights for the firm and he was on days. I do recall him brining in an armed robbery offender that he caught himself according to the P.O he was working with.
I also remember there being some neighborhood critic named Joe Clueless Kulus or something to that effect. He would always complain that the company was not out there patrolling. This was because he wanted a patrol car to pass in front of his house every hour on the hour. He would write shit in the southwest news herald that made it look like the program was a sham.
When the contract was up, another company bid substantially lower and they replaced the P.O.s with low paid Security officers from the projects with PERCs. and gave them guns. Why? tax incentives for hiring certain people from certain zip codes (low income).
Currently the new owner supposedly only hires off duty officers. I have only seen a fat fuck that looks like he is a half block run away from a heart attack in that squad car. Occasionally you see another pair of so called officers working the car but most of the time is the fat guy. Now not only do they monitor zone 6 but they get on the air to respond to calls or make silly comments. The 19P are very welcome and it helps with backlogs but keep your mouth shut and stay off the radio with stupid shit. I remember the fat fuck once was trying to get into a foot chase but stopped running and went back to the car to call it in to the zone. He was huffin and puffin while trying to tell the zone that he lost them somewhere on western.
Oh well, it is what it is, you get what you pay for.
WHERE IS THE fop, WHY DO THEY NOT PROTECT UNION JOBS?
Hah, not new, we did this in Edgewater back in '92, it all came to an end after we arrested a Wilmette cop (name withheld unless SCC wants it) for possession of narcotics, none of the CPD guys would sign the report either. He was charged, tried, convicted, and fired.
He was Wilmette's "token". Guess what this douchebag was before they let him be the Police? The town DOGCATCHER, ROFLMMFAO.....
"Sounds like a large number of laws, ordinances and contracts being violated."
Since when would that bother shortshanks? His father was a crook and so is he.......
This article about a private company not having “arrest authority” isn’t really accurate. The state statutes do provide for some limited citizen arrests powers that everyone has. As for who is civilly liable for their actions, that is the guard company who is required by state law to carry insurance to cover that.
Additionally it is pretty common for the city to commission private security guards as “special police” and the ordinance extends to them all the authority of the regular police as well as the constitutional tort liability (this has been tested in court many times over the last 100 years).
The concept of private police operating in Chicago isn’t anything really new either. Take for example the University of Chicago Police, the university is a private institution operating their own police and they too answer 911 calls and what not. Over the years several hospitals have also done the same thing, such as Illinois Masonic Medical Center.
However, the article does state a very valid point, what kind of training do these guards have ? The public demands a certain level of competence from law enforcement officers today and few private concerns are willing to pay for the level of training the public has come to expect. Therefore, while this is all legal, is it any benefit to the citizens to have untrained responders running about and one has to wonder how solvent their insurance company is because there is huge liability when a security guard does more then just stand around and look nice.
WOW !!!
A private security force hired by/reporting to the corrupt alderman enforcing local laws.
The alderman are becoming warlords.
Forget Detroit, this city is more like someplace in Africa.
This is very dangerous !
My guess is your watch commander is probably as stupid as you are. The private company is probably lobbying for the authority to issue ordinance violations, much like the traffic enforcement aids do. If they were trying to right movers and make arrests, they'd be down in Springfield looking for authority to enforce state statutes.
Off-Topic but, now that LUBERMAN is running the CPS system, can someone please explain to him that there are federal regulations that dictate if and when we fly the American flag at half staff as was done at CVS High School yesterday. Yeah, I'm checking here.... death of the president, massive loss of American lives due to natural disaster or terrorist's attack.... yep those are there, but even they require a presidential order.... I just cannot seem to find the "dead gangbanger student" part however....
I will make sure to go and drive down Michigan from 103rd to 115th and make some obvious traffic violations. If these security guards try and stop me I will simply keep driving. I want them to pursue me or cause an accident. I will be calling for an ambulance and My attorney. Not in that order though. I do not believe that you have to pull over for a private security guard in a private vehicle. I can see the $$$ now.
Unrelated to this thread, but maybe HR 218 repeal is next?
Obama to disarm pilots
Tuesday, March 17, 2009
EDITORIAL: Guns on a plane
After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.
Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news
Well the city has a "forseeability" issue now. At least one of those guys is an offender in a battery. There will be a lawsuit forthcoming.
That would be the Commercial Ave. guys in 004. The calls are still all disoatched to CPD, and they monitor and ride. In 004, they have access to ALL the cameras at the businesses on Commercial as well as our own junk cop in a box crap. How can they have this access from their vehicles and WE DON'T!
The alderman must go. We get little to no support from them and their are too many of those felons anyway.
Hmmm...let's see. Cut the number of troops in half. Hire contractors to provide services formerly provided by the troops. Soon the job of the troops will be to protect the contractors while they do the same job the troops should be doing. The taxpayers suffer while the people who own the contracting firms get rich.
Sounds like the Iraq war strategy. Guess the Democrats did learn something from the Republicans after all.
Note to citizens of Chicago:
Who are you going to sue (play the ghetto lottery) when this private police force violates your civil rights?
When some of you(citizens) get what you asked for in this private police force you will soon realize the error of your ways. You will quickly understand that your current police department; comprised of the fine officers of the CPD; is a professional organization of hardworking and honest men and women. In short, you'll miss and appreciate us when we are gone. Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
Ya think that private firm's troopers will come in and exterminate the residents to make room for the new mall(s)?
If I EVER see one of these cock sucking security morons at any one of my jobs THEY are going to JAIL NO questions asked!! That goes for you too BEALS!!
Didn't we learn from what happened to New Detroit in Robocop when they privatized the police service. Good Lord will we never learn??????????
there was one working the 87th/commercial area in 004 for a while. nice guys but they are jumping on calls they shouldn't be on (shots fired, etc). stay safe around these guys, who knows what their backgrounds are. they obviously don't have to go through the same hiring process as the police do and they could be just as big of criminals as the ones they are supposed to be preventing.
As a citizen, do we legally have to listen to these security firms if they try to detain us? Would it not be considered unlawful restraint since they are not officers of the law?
You mean the company that parks its cars in the front of 005district and we're told to watch them and not to ticket them. Next, valet parking for the company.
anyone taking any type of police action for these guys had beter cover themselves in the arrest report.IE Security officer schmuck found what he believes to be suspect crack cocaine. We do not sign complaints for their arrests if ordered to do so you better put who ordered you to do it in the arrest report. Do not get sued for their illegal searches.
Every business or community that desires to pay for private security are well within their rights, however these private security guards have no legal authority to enforce city or state law on public property. If a motorist, especially while we have police imposters, refuses to obey their commands, what can they do? Nothing, not without risking a huge law suit and possibly arrest for false arrest or kidnapping.
Private security replacing police
in Chicago? Hmmmm, whats that mayor's number?
WHERE IS THE fop, WHY DO THEY NOT PROTECT UNION JOBS?
I am suprised that you evan had to ask? FOP doesnt care about anything other than what Mayor Daley wants!
DONT 4 GET COZZI WAS HELPED BY HOSPITAL SECURITY GAURDS TOO.
I BELIEVE 4 OF THEM TESTIFIED AGIANST HIM 4 BEING TO RUFF!
AS U NOTICE ON THE VIDEO NOT 1 GAURD IN SIGHT....
BRING THE GAURD INTO THE STATION AND DO A REAL INVESTIGATION DONT JUST HAVE THEM SIGN COMPLAINTS.
LOCK THEM INTO THEIR BULLSHIT STORY AND THEN BEGIN TOO PUNCH HOLES IN IT. ONCE THE LIE IS SET NOTIFY THE WATCH COMMANDER OF UR FINDING THAT THE GAURD IS LYING AND THAT U DOCUMNETED THE INTERVIEW W/ UR PARTNER ON A SUPP REPORT.
CHECK FOR THE GAURDS TAN CARD AND RELATE TO HIM THAT U HAVE TO REPORT HIM TO THE STATE REGULATORS FOR MAKING A FALSE POLICE REPORT.
DONT BOTHER W/ CHARGES UR WHITE SHIRT BOSS WILL VETO IT.
SUBMIT THE CASE REPORT AND REQUEST THE INITIAL OFFENDER BE RELEASED DUE TO THE GAURDS LIES.
LEARN UR POWERS BOYS AND GIRLS!
ONCE THE GAURD GOES THROUGH THAT HE WONT BE GOING ON POLICE JOBS ANYMORE.
Write movers? Yeah right, like I would stop for these clowns!!! Wake up people, I don't care "How Connected" these mopes are, they ARE NOT the police, have NO police powers, ARE NOT state certified. They have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to make a traffic stop any where in the State of Illinois and if observed doing it should be arrested immediately. Furthemore, you are in 005, what more can they do to you? Dump you out of that place? If they try to fuck with you, sue the ever loving shit out of the police dept., city and city council. Each and every case/arrest report should start with "This is a private security firm (insert name here) arrest as ordered to be processed by Supervisor(insert name here)" DO NOT let them bully you out of this one because when the lawsuits start, and they will, YOU will be on the hook. And NEVER process someone for these fools without a signed complaint and demand an ID so you get their correct name and address for those complaints and reports.
Who handles the beefs when money and other belongings(dope) turn up missing on these stops??? Another blanket CR# on the district and another lawsuit against the city?
Beware of the aldercreature Beals. I lived one block from him and received NOTHING from this creature. I lived in this neighborhood (Rosemore) for 30 years and observed the decline in the hood.
Haha! This sounds like the old CHA "police"
I seen Loevy and Loevy out there in their PATROL CAR too responding to calls!
SIGNED complaint or not, the POLICE decide if that person is going to jail, dont get middled by the security guys. USE YOUR BRAIN PO'S.
Let me get this straight,the taxpayers are paying for this correct? So far my small brain is spinning! We tried in the 23rd ward garfield Ridge area to set up a "neighborhood patrol" for free! But the commander of 008 did not want to make himself look bad,so he told Alderman Zalewski not to help us do it! Maybe we should up a "paid" patrol and have some of the hiiden billions daley stole from us used and buy vehicles and have a "posse comitatus "!
What is the company? Can we get a copy of corporate charter to see ownership? Was there a bid process for the contract? How much do they get? Is it taxpayer funds? When was the corporation formed...shortly before acquiring the contract (politician start up)?
I can't wait for the litigation to start on these private security wannabe police companies. I have to say, GO LOEVY & LOEVY on this one.
I will drive around in this area looking for my ghetto lottery payday, let one of these jamokes stop me.
I am not overjoyed with non-police issuing traffic citations, since that generally requires some kind of stop me made. But parking tickets, who cares?
Some places have volunteers that issue parking tickets to handicapped parking violators.
There have been meter maids for 50 or more years. Nothing new here.
Whats wrong with freeing up cops to go arrest violent offenders rather than wasting their time writing parking tickets?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They are telling us what to do and say they have the authority. Right now they tell us what cars to write parkers to and call the boss if we don't.
3/19/2009 12:19:00 AM
BULLSHIT! When they do this, YOU check them for FOID,PERC cards, and FCC(Tan) Cards. If they have a gun you check that too. While they dont have to register(Hayworth,Heller) they DO have to have a legitimate firearm. Never in all My time doing it privately did I EVER cross that line. Insofar as the ability to do traffic stops and write parkers,NO WHERE in the State of Illinois is a Private Security Contractor aloowed to perform this UNLESS the patrolled area is a GATED COMMUNITY and this is part of a contractual Agreement withing that gated community. More to follow.Im researching, Im Polish It takes a while.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC, You are thinking of "Special Service Area #14" Servicing 69th to the south to the tracks to the north, kedzie to the tracks at the 8/7 border. This was paid for by tax levies imposed on the properties within that area. Not really a city deal but a community deal. It is probably the same thing that is going on in that new area. As far as the citations go, i don't think it's going to fly. The security firm would probably want a cut from the citations and I don't think the district courts are going to allow non certified officers to legally write movers.
I used to work for SSA 14 back when it was not really a joke. The security firm running it was not connected and won the bid to get the contract. Back then (2001) it was a great program,
did I work with you?
The Bald guy (you know who)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I will make sure to go and drive down Michigan from 103rd to 115th and make some obvious traffic violations. If these security guards try and stop me I will simply keep driving. I want them to pursue me or cause an accident. I will be calling for an ambulance and My attorney. Not in that order though. I do not believe that you have to pull over for a private security guard in a private vehicle. I can see the $$$ now.
3/19/2009 05:55:00 AM
Well is the partol area a gated community or open city Streets? If the latter I truly dont think that this Private Firm will have the (key words here PAY ATTENTION) CHARTER or COMMISSION from the state to do that.Before we all jump to delusions here, lets see what they actually do. Again there are VERY CLEAR State Guidelines for this sort of Security Work.Most likely it was a "hook up" contract for a "connected" company. In Chicago? Perish the thought. And to the 3/19/09 12:15 AM post....HOW are YOU forced to sign the complaint? Why would you perjur yourself and open yourself to a suit for something YOU didnt do? Old School Lesson: No Complaint No Crime.If they(guards in 011) have a detention,they sign the complaint either on behalf of the location they work(Agent acting on behalf) or as victim/complainant. Generally this usually amounts to a 1330 arrest. If the guard doesnt or is unwilling to sign a complaint then NOTHING HAPPENED.
The empty cylinder said:
Media alert:
Paid or out sourced security police making arrests on the public way are:
Mercenaries or vigilante outfits.
INVESTIGATIVE QUESTIONS:
1. Who hired / licensed them to work in City? Their bosses???
2. Who supports "Public Way" arrests by private police? They should be fired after the law suits.
3. Is Daley planning to out source the policing in Chicago as a supplement to the Olympic Game enforcement?
4. Does Weis know about this illegal activity? ie, stops and searches of persons on the public way?
5. Who insures these activities?
6. Are they even true, the allegations or rumors?
7. Did the commander address this at roll call?
8. Where did he get his information?
Answer these and you've got a great story and you can go from there. Now, detach your lips from the mayor's ass and get to work.
We are forced to sign complaints for the private companys in 011 on there "dope" pinches!
3/19/2009 12:15:00 AM
-------
How are you arresting someone on a POSSESSION charge based only on a civilian witness' testimony?
I do not think that you have probable cause to make that arrest and I don't think a court will think you have it either.
Unless there is a General Order clarifying this policy, those drugs are FOUND PROPERTY (Vice case report-found narcotics). You can include the civilian witness (security guard's) statements in your report and forward your report to the narcotics division. If Narcotics wants to call in an ASA, re-interview the witness, and get a warrant based on the witness' obersvation, then they can do that.
I'll tell you right now that if you make an arrest for a possession charge based only on a witness' statement, you are going to lose that case in court, you are going to get sued, and you're going to lose that case too.
If a supervisor wants to order you to do this, you better make it damn clear in your reports that you were ordered to make this arrest.
If they are deemed Special Police then they have Police power of arrest.
------------
If they have powers of arrest, then they can sign complaints just like railroad cops can.
DON'T SIGN COMPLAINTS FOR THEM!
Anonymous said...
We are forced to sign complaints for the private companys in 011 on there "dope" pinches!
3/19/2009 12:15:00 AM
No way. F that!
At the top of each arrest report write the following:
Per 005 District Commander Ball....
-----------
That won't cover you.
You better get the name of a supervisor who is on-scene and a watch commander who has been apprised of the specific details of the case you are handling. You better make that very clear in your arrest report that your arrest was based only upon your supervisor's ORDER that there was probable cause to make that arrest.
Let the Sgt. or Lt. explain why they had probable cause when the suit is filed.
Are they armed? If so check everyone of them for a valid tan card and perc card. They tried the same thing on Commercial about eleven years ago and it did not work. Just like the CHA police complete failure.
3/19/2009 12:49:00 AM
------
NO!
Leave them the fuck alone. Don't go anywhere near them. Don't talk to them. Don't have any interaction with them unless you are ordered to.
f I EVER see one of these cock sucking security morons at any one of my jobs THEY are going to JAIL NO questions asked!! That goes for you too BEALS!!
3/19/2009 08:02
Oh PLEASE....PLEASE arrest me. You have a nice house. Id like to get that,and your life savings and your pension and your car.Dont n eed your guns as MY shit is better by far anyway. PLEASE......
If you did more than sit and bitch all day WE wouldnt have to do YOUR Job on Commmercial. As far as your Union goes.....what a Joke. Go Cry to Donahue about it.SEE how much gets done. Whats a matter? You MAD because we're in your Hiding Spot? Worthless. Let me put it to you THIS way. If YOU come in OUR area and cross the line in the LEAST....Ill be HAPPY to put a CR on your ass. By all means when you grow SPINE, You bring your threat.
I always WANTED to get rich.
As a retired po po can I "patrol" and arrest on my block?
I didn't think so. Not a good idea?
What's the difference?
Maybe me giving classes on "dead fall" devices in garages would be a better way to divert my energy and protect coppers property when they are at work away from home.
A dead fall is a device that "falls" when a trip is released. Usually downwards, onto the "tripper". If a ladder is used or something like that, something usually found in a garage and in it's manufactured state, it's not illegal...unless, of course, the resident gives himself up with a statement of intent.
Good hunting
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As a citizen, do we legally have to listen to these security firms if they try to detain us? Would it not be considered unlawful restraint since they are not officers of the law?
3/19/2009 08:07:00 AM
3/19/2009 05:55:00 AM
Good idea jackass....Now that you have make known your INTENT to violate laws and purposely cause personal injury, all bets are off and you will get nothing except a CR for your actions. Think before you open your mouth...I know it's hard, but please try.
I'm a citizen and if some asshat without a CPD badge attempted to detain me, I'd break his fucking face. In court, I'll claim I was afraid for my life and being assaulted by someone impersonating the police. Fuck that shit. We pay enough taxes to employ the police; I don't need some teabag "security officer" with a GED getting paid $10/hour to protect me.
GFY Daley!
i can't stop laughing at this department. everyday its a new joke.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As a citizen, do we legally have to listen to these security firms if they try to detain us? Would it not be considered unlawful restraint since they are not officers of the law?
3/19/2009 08:07:00 AM
Read ILCS 5-12 and so on with regards to the law relavent to Security Guards. Again it isnt clear what their assignment is. Is it public streets or gated/private property? Bear in mind that should you decide to engage one of them,they now (as of 2008) have laws in place to protect them.(Protected Employee) They should ONLY be a deterrent and not Reactive Forces(such as Police)simply drive around and write reports for the company and call in on a cell phone if there is something amiss. Hint to the 004 guys: CHECK THE TAN CARDS and FOID CARDS!They MUST have the following at all times:
a.Company ID with a contact number
b. Valid DL or State ID
C. PERC(Blue)Card
D. FCC(Tan) Card
E. FOID card
They are NOT required to have a gun registration card so sorry no UUW pinch there. :(
Vehicles(Security Patrol Cars) cannot:
a. have red or blue flashing lights
b. have a siren
c. MUST BE MARKED AS "SECURITY"
Police Capable Radios:
Touchy subject. Generally not allowed however some firms have been issued zone radios. Hey its Chicago right?
ADDITIONAL HINT TO THE 004 guys:
If youre gonna "do" them do them right.Additionally, Should you arrest one of them BE CERTAIN to Call IDPFR at(Chicago Office) 1 312 814 4547 Investigator Rich Cauble or the Springfield Office at 1 217 782 0458(be prepared to be on hold for half an hour)
Guards are MANDATED to report their arrest to the DPR and failure to do so wll result in revocation of their Blue and Tan Cards.
Several years ago there was a Captain from the California Highway Patrol who has a side gig teaching and consulting on risk management. He gave a presentation at the Academy. He said that the privatization of police services was a nationwide possibility. Be very careful.
Id truly like to know how they can do that. (access to cameras) There are boundries to what they can and cant do and THIS is clearly on the "cant do" list. Lets start with access to confidential Police info(camera video)and unauthorized dissemination. Talk about tainting a case. WTF! Just another chapter in Fat Lil Greasys (Daley) book on how to Privatize the City.Why fight it just turn the blind eye......turn the blind eye....hey whats that bright light on the horizon???? Retirement! WOO HOO!
Wow Chicago economics at its best.Hire something that looks like a cop,walks like a cop talks like a cop BUT DOESNT WHINE AND BITCH all day like a cop. Amazing what you can get for 9 dollars an hour in Chicago.
We're Doomed.
How about CR #'s that are as a result of them and charged to us? Who is watching that?
There is a private firm patrolling in 006 around 85th and Parnell. They actually do a decent job and most of the guys working there are well trained and articulate. They came across the street from their account to help during a burglary I was on,helped secure the outside of the building while my partner and I went in. The Offender bailed out the back and was caught by one of the guards.They didnt get in the way at all and I was thankful they were there as we all know the backlog in 006. I know its a rare occasion but these guys are actually on point.
Thankful for the help in 006
Anonymous said...
They are telling us what to do and say they have the authority. Right now they tell us what cars to write parkers to and call the boss if we don't.
3/19/2009 12:19:00 AM
So let em call the boss.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I will tell them to leave my domestic, and arrest them for obstruction if they don't, they are not the police and have no power to arrest and not be present on calls which is a violation of privacy to the parties of the call. The public should sue these guys if they are talked to by security guards and arrest them for impersenation, they are not the police and have no right stopping citizens. No academy training and no star, everything issued by them should be thrown out of court, and then sued for millions because they are not the police, and by state law only police can arrest for MCC ordinaces and past crimes.
3/19/2009 01:43:00 AM
Wow! its so refreshing to read commentary from such highly educated individuals that can correctly spell and form sentences.Im SURE you write GREAT arrest reports with the ultimate clarity and effectiveness. PUT DOWN THE BARLEY POP BEFORE YOU TRY BEING A CYBER RAMBO. And THIS is the Chicago Police? hahahahahahaha
My tax dollars
Fast asleep.
God Help Us all.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I will tell them to leave my domestic, and arrest them for obstruction if they don't, they are not the police and have no power to arrest and not be present on calls which is a violation of privacy to the parties of the call. The public should sue these guys if they are talked to by security guards and arrest them for impersenation, they are not the police and have no right stopping citizens. No academy training and no star, everything issued by them should be thrown out of court, and then sued for millions because they are not the police, and by state law only police can arrest for MCC ordinaces and past crimes.
3/19/2009 01:43:00 AM
You dont have to be Sworn to write ANOV,yo dont have to be sworn to write parkers,and sorry but if a warrant is spoken in open court it is a matter of public record,THEREFORE the "dumb ass Security Guard" CAN detain the person based on that good faith information for the police. Christ,you need to chill. they will trip over themselves without your help. Me thinks if you were in an alley getting the shit kicked out of you and the "dumb ass guard" was the only help around you'd be whining a different tune.Or if they didnt come to your aid would you show them that big red "s" on your chest and 'lock them up' for failure to aid a PO? Get over yourself asshole.
they obviously don't have to go through the same hiring process as the police do and they could be just as big of criminals as the ones they are supposed to be preventing.
Hmmm...Abate,Cozzi,Rodriguez,and the list goes on and on about the CRIMINALS wearing a Chicago Police Badge. Make sure you clean the shit out of YOUR back yard before you come in mine.
Thank you 1614 for coming west of Cumberland. I know we don't call much but thanks for driving by. It's nice to see a beat car working his/her beat for once.
I know you are not talking about 1st watch, that car is in constant sleep mode. Hide in the wood???
This has to be a joke. Roseland is the other side of the world to me but I can't believe this kind of stuff is going on.
Anonymous said...
from about 67 to 70 stony to crieger there is a security firm "patrolling" the neighborhood.
3/19/2009 12:41:00 AM
ya.... GD, Inc.
Maybe this explains why Shortshanks refuses to bring our Dept., up to full strength. If they bring in money he can get rid of the cops too.
It is wrong to compare these rent-a-cops to the Police Officers of the different universities in the Chicago area. The U of C police and the U.I.C. police are actual police officers and are state certified. Also, what happens when one of these rental units gets a little nervous in a sticky situation and shoots someone ? Once the $1,000,000 liability is met who will pay ? Most likely the city because the city is the entity that hired these goofs in the 1st place. If they have arrest powers, are they going to march a prisoner into the district and get the watch commander to approve the charges? This has disaster written all over it! A 40 hour class hardly qualifies one as the police. Most of us went to the academy for 6 months and some are still not the police. This should be interesting.
Given that so many P/O's work side security jobs, I'm surprised to hear so much gripping about training and them backing you up on calls.
There are always going to be wannabees out there but with backlogs etc, I appreciate the occasional 19P and second car standing-by
Let me get this straight, Daley doesn't want private citizens owning guns in their homes, but allows these non-police mutts to patrol the streets armed. Wow, only in Shitcago.
Remember the religious group that had the security contracts at CHA projects. They had a habit of closing the doors and locking them when we were chasing the dope dealers and bangers with guns. They have a well known history of being haters.
Do they still have security people patroling the Marquette park area?
Also They want the ones in Roseland to write parkers because the real police won't. This security force will tell their people that the more they write the easier it will be to keep their jobs. Some dummy will be writing tickets on LEGALLY parked cars just to justify their contract.
Hey SCC,
The City also has private security working at the Ickes Homes on State st. and they took over our CHA overtime!
Where is our union in this issue?!
I hope one of these "scabs" gets into too big trouble and the city has to pay through the nose in lawsuits!
Off-Topic but, now that LUBERMAN is running the CPS system, can someone please explain to him that there are federal regulations that dictate if and when we fly the American flag at half staff as was done at CVS High School yesterday. Yeah, I'm checking here.... death of the president, massive loss of American lives due to natural disaster or terrorist's attack.... yep those are there, but even they require a presidential order.... I just cannot seem to find the "dead gangbanger student" part however....
__________________________________
Did it ever occur to you that it might need be Hubberman that has the flag at half staff? It was probably the doing of some asshat at the school
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Ball is full of BS
3/19/2009 12:04:00 AM
A nice guy but he has become part of the scum political make-up of this dept.
Anonymous said...
We are forced to sign complaints for the private companys in 011 on there "dope" pinches!
3/19/2009 12:15:00 AM
Forced? That's strong language. Have you been ordered to ? By whom?
Anonymous said...
Hey you guys are yelling about being shorthanded...well here HELP!
3/19/2009 12:18:00 AM
Sure we need help but not from half-witted politically appointed patronage workers.
Anonymous said...
They are telling us what to do and say they have the authority. Right now they tell us what cars to write parkers to and call the boss if we don't.
3/19/2009 12:19:00 AM
Telling you? Have you forgotten you are the real police. You run this mothafucker. Where are your sergeants?
they are not sworn police officers for the State of IL. They can be arrested if they write tickets as this would be an unlawful personation of a police officer.
am ootorist does not have to stop for a Security Guard unlawfully attempting to make a traffic stop. They are not sworn peace officers in Illinois and don't have police powers. Their stopping a motorist without lawful authority constitutes a violation of the motorists rights as they have the right offreedom of movement which would be restrained by the Guards as they have no legal power under the Illinois Constitution or the U.S. Constitution do do so, as a sworn peace officer does.
General Patton said...
Hmmm...let's see. Cut the number of troops in half. Hire contractors to provide services formerly provided by the troops.
Remember Blackwater? what a problem they turned out to be. But a real money maker for the connected.
Hey there.
I´m a frequent reader of SCC for I´m a cop in Germany.
Please do oorrect me, if I did not get what you really meant: There are security firms on patrol in Chicago doing Police work?!?!? I mean private companies???!!!???
What about the absolute monopoly of power that should be held and granted by law?
Greetz from Heidelberg, Germany
If they want to issue tickets and make traffic stops, WHERE THE HELL IS THE UNION.
They should be in court asking for a injunction for the "privatization" of police patrols.
We lost this issue in regards to civilians ( TCA's )issuing parking tickets years ago because no one went into court right away.
This is a job for the union, and it must be done right away, otherwise Daley will be running the district partols with security guards.
They are telling us what to do and say they have the authority. Right now they tell us what cars to write parkers to and call the boss if we don't.
---------
What are you ten years old? Show some balls.
Anonymous said...
WHERE IS THE fop, WHY DO THEY NOT PROTECT UNION JOBS?
3/19/2009 02:33:00 AM
FOP is not a UNION!
And take your f-ing caps lock off!
If however the private security agency,guard or contractor is deemed a Public Safety Department(Like Lathrop homes was in 2004-2007) there are certain powers that the officer does have inclusive of arrest(citizen arrest)If they are deemed Special Police then they have Police power of arrest.
-----
Every citizen has arrest powers for misdemeanors or felonies which occur in their presence, or past felonies. You don't need ANY special 'categorization' for that. So what are you saying again?
We are forced to sign complaints for the private companys in 011 on there "dope" pinches!
3/19/2009 12:15:00 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How can you sign complaints when you CANNOT testify that the offender had this contraband in his possession?? Be very careful on this one!
Anonymous said...
This article about a private company not having “arrest authority” isn’t really accurate. The state statutes do provide for some limited citizen arrests powers that everyone has.
Can they do drop cases??
why is it that when all you big tough ballsy cops are hurting for cash you pull a SECURITY gig for the extra money? Then you talk shit?
Kiss my ass.
Up near Howard Ave they have a private security force that have had more accidental discharges than one can remember. No criminal background checks and unregistered or stolen weapons are protecting the community!
These "wanna be's," ride on our jobs way off Michigan ave, violate all traffic laws, and put us in great danger. If they put someone in custody they can do the paper. We've had them sign comaplaints and not show to court. Political outfit like this needs to be investigated by the proper higher ups. The alderman in this ward is not clean, and I wish the media would check him out.
Hey you guys are yelling about being shorthanded...well here HELP!
Shut the fuck up
Just wait till Obama sends out his private security force that he has been talking about, the "green shirts"
They'll have the power of arrest for green offenses like forgetting to turn out the lights.
I'm not pulling over for anyone that doesn't look like official police.
---not a cop
Off-Topic but, now that LUBERMAN is running the CPS system, can someone please explain to him that there are federal regulations that dictate if and when we fly the American flag at half staff as was done at CVS High School yesterday. Yeah, I'm checking here.... death of the president, massive loss of American lives due to natural disaster or terrorist's attack.... yep those are there, but even they require a presidential order.... I just cannot seem to find the "dead gangbanger student" part however....
3/19/2009 05:38:00 AM
OHMYGOD, he did not give THAT honor to a fallen student? Jesus.
This is table grade stable dressing, I mean class A number one organically pure fertilizer. I can't even think where my objections begin, but I'll tell you where they end - impersonating an officer of the law.
I can't wait until one of these rent-a-cops decides to stop and shake the wrong guy and gets aired out. Then what? You'll have a well known lower-rear orifice leaking on the sidewalk and a mere civilian on the phone with his lawyer. Just add video and a tazer for some real fun.
And naturally, anyone who gets roughed up is going to blame it on the police, and will not understand when you try and explain how it wasn't us.
Good luck guys.
who in their right mind would pull there car over for a private security guard. You think I'm gonna trust some renta copto issue me a citation. BS.....I'm gonna keep going until I get home and pull right in my drive way.
"Take for example the University of Chicago Police, the university is a private institution operating their own police and they too answer 911 calls and what not."
... i dont think this is entirely accurate. as far as i remember university police forces are run under the authority of the illinois secretary of states office.. or maybe thats just public universities.
Answer no questions asked by these loosers. Anything initiated by these clowns should be ignored unless by direct order. Then document the order and list the Sgt as the complainant and security as the witness. Put the duress statement in the narrative.
I locked a guy up after being ordered to. I documented it, and sure enough the the law suit came. ( The guy did NOTHING to be locked up for.) Because we documented the order, the judge removed my partner and I from the suit.
The Sgt was the soul respondant afterwards.
It was sweet.
Obviously rank and file Chicago Police Officers don't inspire the public trust anymore! How can we trust coppers when you have a decorated traffic unit guy get busted for official miscnduct and virtually every year there has been a corruption scandal involving Chicago Police Officers. Lets face it our department does not have a clean and uber professional image like the Naperville Police Department, the Schaumberg Police Department or the US Secret Service. I'm willing to bet you will see more gated communities in Chicago. As a department each individual member needs to go out and do their best each and every day to earn the public trust. We all earn very good salaries and we should be very grateful we have been chosen to serve and protect. As far as I am concerned Supt. Weis is earning way beyond his salary everyday. I am on furlough now but when I return to Chicago I will work with a sense of purpose and honor. I challenge my fellow Blueshirts to do the same. Lets leave all the politics and social issues to others. We must function with honor like the USMC!
Don't some suburb and out of state police departments have community service officers that write tickets and free up police of bullshit calls. If this is what this unit is doing it could be a good thing.
These guys are nothing more than a bunch of police wannabes. They fly up and down Michigan Ave, with there security vehicles (lights and sirens) blowing redlights while responding to assignments heard over their scanners. First serious accident they cause will be the end of them.. Do not cover up any of their high handed shennanigans. Given time they will make Abatte look like a boy scout.
Name the security company
First of all never sign a complaint for anyone. Unless you yourself are the complainant.
Would you let a citizen order you to wright a parker or mover? Hell No!!! Don't let these want-A-be's order you to do anything.
Tell them to call the zone and report the violation. Then if the zone assigns you the job, investigate it and if it warrents a ticket then wright it, if not don't. Use your discresion.
If they call you or flag you down because they violated some guys rights by searching him on the street and found a rock. How can you justify locking the guy up???
Did you see him in posession of the drugs? NO! DID you find the drugs on his person? NO! So where is your probable cause??? You have none!!!
I would lock up the guy who is in posession when I arrived on the scene. The Security Gaurd!!!
Don't ever let one of these clowns put you in the trick bag because they want to PLAY POLICE.
If you are ordered to do an arrst report for one of these guys it's real simple.
First line on arrest report should read. The A/O was ordered to complete this report by .........
The A/O did not make the physical arrest and has no knowledge of the preliminary investigation or the details which lead the the arrest.
Do not ask the arrestee any questions, other than his name, address, Ect. There is no need for you to advise him of Miranda. And when asked in court just tell them no I did not advise the arrestee I only complted the paper work.
Name the guard who made the physical arrest and hand cuffed the arrestee. Enter his statement to establish the probable cause.
Let the supervisor who odered you to do the arrest report and the Watch Commander testify in court as to the manner in which the arrest was made. Let the Security Guard testify to the arrest and the probable cause.
NEVER sign a complaint for one of these fools, if they won't sign the complaint there is no arrest!!!
Fuck the Commander, how much is he getting to allow this to happen in his district? How much is he getting to allow the fake Police to park their fake Police Cars in the Police lot in violation of the posted signs? They take up two spots with each car including their personal cars? Some of which have no City stickers and Exp. plates.
Take a look at the fake police cars. They are not allowed to have or use any colored lights except YELLOW on the street. The are not allowed to have or use a siren or other electronic warning device.
Start keeping a record of all the violations commited.
They bitch to the Commander, you have the right to file a complaint with the ILL. Dept. of Professional Regulation. You also have the right to make an arrest if one of these clowns violate ANY stae law or City Ordinance.
Their job is to protect the propety of the businesses that have hired them, nothing more. This does not include making street stops and searching those poeple. If they see a crime being commited on the street, they are supposed to call the REAL POLICE, nothing more.
At the Airport we have to sign the complaints when T.S.A finds dope in some moron's bag.
FORCED to sign complaints from these private whatevers?????? i hope your kidding. If not, and are ordered to do so, I hope you put their name in first!! BEFORE anything else
stay safe out there
The city's public school system is being privatized by charter thingys. Seems the police is next.
The concept of private police operating in Chicago isn’t anything really new either. Take for example the University of Chicago Police, the university is a private institution operating their own police and they too answer 911 calls and what not. Over the years several hospitals have also done the same thing, such as Illinois Masonic Medical Center.
3/19/2009 03:55:00 AM
True. But at least they (U of C., Northwestern, Loyola, County Hospital Police) are all State Certified and have gone through the 400+ hour Metro course at the Academy.
We know there's that other private firm that patrols on the south side that's bankrolled by the neighborhood and businesses.
Marquette Park?
We are forced to sign complaints for the private companys in 011 on there "dope" pinches!
--That would be the day!
hey maybe that 14 year old can finally get himself a real "po-lice" job!
"We must function with honor like the USMC!
3/19/2009 05:34:00 PM"
Hang in there, kid, your balls will drop one of these days.
I have had some contact with the guys that work for the security outfit that patrols Commercial Avenue.
They are usually off-duty suburban cops. They have never asked for anything, but show up on jobs and offer to help. Since 004 is usually in a backlog, why not?
They have better cars, equipment, and weaponry than we do. Speaks volumes, doesn't it?
"Kiss my ass.
3/19/2009 02:07:00 PM"
Set the date and time.
Then bend over.
Just wait till Obama sends out his private security force that he has been talking about, the "green shirts"
They'll have the power of arrest for green offenses like forgetting to turn out the lights.
----------------------------
Will they lock up everybody on the W side for throwing their flaming hot bag on the ground?
"Hmmm...Abate,Cozzi,Rodriguez,and the list goes on and on about the CRIMINALS wearing a Chicago Police Badge. Make sure you clean the shit out of YOUR back yard before you come in mine.
3/19/2009 11:17:00 AM"
Can't see your back yard.
Only the huge pile of shit you consider to be your patio.
Anonymous said...
Obviously rank and file Chicago Police Officers don't inspire the public trust anymore! How can we trust coppers when you have a decorated traffic unit guy get busted for official miscnduct and virtually every year there has been a corruption scandal involving Chicago Police Officers. Lets face it our department does not have a clean and uber professional image like the Naperville Police Department, the Schaumberg Police Department or the US Secret Service. I'm willing to bet you will see more gated communities in Chicago. As a department each individual member needs to go out and do their best each and every day to earn the public trust. We all earn very good salaries and we should be very grateful we have been chosen to serve and protect. As far as I am concerned Supt. Weis is earning way beyond his salary everyday. I am on furlough now but when I return to Chicago I will work with a sense of purpose and honor. I challenge my fellow Blueshirts to do the same. Lets leave all the politics and social issues to others. We must function with honor like the USMC!
3/19/2009 05:34:00 PM
Hi screaming skull,maybe you need an "update" to your exempt structure?
"Me thinks...
3/19/2009 11:14:00 AM"
Get over yourself asshole.
nice that you guys are writing tickets for a private corporation.
"..Ill be HAPPY to put a CR on your ass. By all means when you grow SPINE, You bring your threat.
I always WANTED to get rich.
3/19/2009 10:26:00 AM"
Sounds familiar?
Ghetto trash dreaming of hitting the Ghetto Lottery.
forced signed complaints, lol, who signed complaint on the burger queen from the airport? TSA finds and the don't sign. bs. gonna be a supervisor & TSA going to court on any order from them. r/o has no knowledge but was ordered by____ to write the paper.
f I EVER see one of these cock sucking security morons at any one of my jobs THEY are going to JAIL NO questions asked!! That goes for you too BEALS!!
3/19/2009 08:02
Oh PLEASE....PLEASE arrest me. You have a nice house. Id like to get that,and your life savings and your pension and your car.Dont n eed your guns as MY shit is better by far anyway. PLEASE......
If you did more than sit and bitch all day WE wouldnt have to do YOUR Job on Commmercial. As far as your Union goes.....what a Joke. Go Cry to Donahue about it.SEE how much gets done. Whats a matter? You MAD because we're in your Hiding Spot? Worthless. Let me put it to you THIS way. If YOU come in OUR area and cross the line in the LEAST....Ill be HAPPY to put a CR on your ass. By all means when you grow SPINE, You bring your threat.
I always WANTED to get rich.
First of all numbnuts flavored bitch, Beals ain't the alderman of
Commercial ave, that's the 10th ward. Beals represents the 9th ward Roseland area that bitches like you are afraid to work.
Second, if you are an off duty cop, bitch, I can sue you and your department like you can sue mine. I 'll be glad to lodge a complaint with the state police against you, shithead-I know the game! A good lawsuit will shut down your entire 19 man police department.
Next, what are you doing hiding when you should be working?
And your punkass security company has a million dollar policy that my lawyers will be glad to drain.
Shut up and stay out of grown folks business, wanna be.
Oh by the way, you will never get any more than token punitive damages if you sue---you don't believe that, check current case law, assuming you can read.
Fuckstick.
BLACKWATER, INC said...
Private security replacing police
in Chicago? Hmmmm, whats that mayor's number?
3/19/2009 08:40:00 AM
Call the metropolitan correctional center...Daley and Carothers will be sitting in there soon enough...
Most of us went to the academy for 6 months and some are still not the police. This should be interesting.
3/19/2009 12:19:00 PM
And how many hours were you actually awake in the academy and not on the cellphone to your juice? Call DPR,whine to them, call your "union" and whine that the guards are "taking union work" You wouldnt know work if it walked up and bit you in the ass.Whine all day long. Jesus what a crybaby.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let me get this straight, Daley doesn't want private citizens owning guns in their homes, but allows these non-police mutts to patrol the streets armed. Wow, only in Shitcago.
3/19/2009 12:45:00 PM
Dear CLUELESS:
Daley(or Lil Fat Greasy) doesnt regulate whether Security contractors can be armed or not the State of Illinois does.And as much as Im SURE you'd drool at the opportunity to lock up those "mutts" for a gun pinch,sorry youre out of luck.Another FINE example of the mentality of "only the police should have guns".Ill be SURE to remember your statement at your Retirement when you are NO LONGER THE POLICE and just mearly a "mutt" citizen and youre "big red "S" fades into the nothing you obviously will become.
I'm a citizen and if some asshat without a CPD badge attempted to detain me, I'd break his fucking face. In court, I'll claim I was afraid for my life and being assaulted by someone impersonating the police.
Wonder if you'd try that with me?My badge says Cook county Sheriff on it not CPD. And you need to adjust your comment to "after I was released from Intensive Care and had to undergo facial reconstruction in court I'd say.".........You must be a South sider.
Anonymous said...
We are forced to sign complaints for the private companys in 011 on there "dope" pinches!
3/19/2009 12:15:00 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How can you sign complaints when you CANNOT testify that the offender had this contraband in his possession?? Be very careful on this one!
3/19/2009 01:48:00 PM
--------
Why doesn't somebody submit the question of whether or not this can be done to legal affairs. When they issue the opinion, you are covered if you follow it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey SCC,
The City also has private security working at the Ickes Homes on State st. and they took over our CHA overtime!
Where is our union in this issue?!
I hope one of these "scabs" gets into too big trouble and the city has to pay through the nose in lawsuits!
3/19/2009 01:04:00 PM
You may want to VERY CAREFULLY check that company, WSA Inc at 343 South Dearborn Suite 2013 1 312 322 0000 or 1 312 446 9141. It is licensed to a former CPD Capt.(name withheld) who has a mailing address in the 9800 Block of South Winchester. It is run by a person by the name of Ibrahim Kiswani who has a discipline record on his Blue Card.(number avaliable in the DPR website) WSA was formerly NSA security and had to fold because the License holder(one of them) a former Dolton (i believe)PO was INDICTED.Prior to that they ran under the name of Phoenix Security and lost a lucrative CHA contract because they allegedly DIDNT HAVE INSURANCE. My advise is to check all these Security people regularly for proper ID and Credentials. It is alleged that they employ guards under different tan cards other than the company that holds the contract. DPR Rules(Detective Act 134) States that the tan card must be issued by the company that actually holds the contract that the armed person is working at.They MUST BE uniformed with SECURITY prominantly displayed and must possess proper credentials INCLUDING COMPANY ID CARDS.They (WSA/NSA) tried to snag a contract in 018 in Cabrini doing the same thing (taking OT from PO's) They ALSO allegedly have Guards signing in as Police so as to obtain the Police rate of pay at their contracted sites.
Those being:
A. Hilliards(22nd and State)
Senior/Mixed income units
b. 3939 S Lake Park
c. 3983 S Lake Park
d. The Ickes
CAREFULLY INSPECT THESE PEOPLES CREDENTIALS FOR MATCHING FOID AND AGENCY NUMBERS.
If they do NOT have ALL the State Required Credentials they cannot legally work as a guard at any location. And REMEMBER to file the complaint with the IDPR.
Up near Howard Ave they have a private security force that have had more accidental discharges than one can remember. No criminal background checks and unregistered or stolen weapons are protecting the community!
3/19/2009 02:14:00
Steiner Security Services. While I agree with the Accidental Discharges,there is no way they can be legally issued a Tan Card without submitting to an ISP background check.If they Do have a Criminal Record and are working you can BET that they havent reported it to DPR. Perhaps an annonymous letter to DPR with an arrest history might clear that up.You know what to cut off that sheet.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
they are not sworn police officers for the State of IL. They can be arrested if they write tickets as this would be an unlawful personation of a police officer.
3/19/2009 01:16:00 PM
Not if they are contracted to do so on private property. Explain the TMA's and Revenue people then. THEY write tickets and THEY arent the police.Yet another College Educated Rocket Scientist with a five point star. Unfucking believeable.
Would you let a citizen order you to wright a parker or mover? Hell No!!! Don't let these want-A-be's order you to do anything.
Tell them to call the zone and report the violation. Then if the zone assigns you the job, investigate it and if it warrents a ticket then wright it, if not don't. Use your discresion.
If they call you or flag you down because they violated some guys rights by searching him on the street and found a rock. How can you justify locking the guy up???
Note the above HIGHLY TRAINED,EDUCATED,COLLEGE GRADUATE,CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER NARRATIVE.Wow it brings tears to my eyes. FROM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF AT YOU OPERATIONALLY ILLITERATE WHINERS. Go CPD Go CPD Go CPD.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Kiss my ass.
3/19/2009 02:07:00 PM"
Set the date and time.
Then bend over.
3/19/2009 11:46:00 PM
well be sure to use lots of tongue. you seem adept at wagging yours so this should be fun. Be sure you leave the gun you hide behind at home puss boy.Come Get Some. April 7th 10AM in the new Englewood Station Parking lot east side.
OHMYGOD, he did not give THAT honor to a fallen student? Jesus.
Does anyone else see the irony?
I will say this. There was one Security guard i have encountered in nearly a 21 year span on this job that truly had his shit together and did a hell of a job.He worked on the Northside and other areas of the City in Public Housing. He was never the police due to a medical issue with his knee.(Plastic and Screws)However,he took painstaking effort to assist us when we came into the projects with keys to gain access to vacants and provided us with enough CREDIBLE information so as to effect 3 consipiracy missions netting over 50+ arrests.The ARRESTS he made were valid and contributed vastly to the reduction in overall crime in the D.O.C. at that time which was soley the projects.While I whole heartedly concur that most guards lack the ability to spell their names right without looking at their nametags,this guy had it together.He knew the District Objectives,and did his part at his level to contribute and didnt once that I ever saw cross any lines or get in the way of any our jobs.He ALWAYS showed up in court and won most of his cases. I wont lump this guy into the same shit heap that most security guards and contractors are in. Its rare to find and he was truly a rare guy.Our project now is becoming a crime haven again and I quietly hope that he and his crew find a way (and adequate pay) to return here as they truly did fine work.
Remember,there is trash in EVERY occupation INCLUDING OURS.Judge not lest ye be judged.
We Miss you Chubbie!
Ok, if the Aldermen want to do this, then why doesn't the Mayor and aldercreatures that have police drivers, sitting at their offices, etc let those officers go back to the streets and they can hire the private security guys. If it is good enough for the citizens then it should be good enough for them.
Survival guide for security:
Never fire a weapon, ever !
Dont interact with the public.
Stay away from the police....
(they hate us !)
Never violate any traffic laws, ever! ( you will be ticketed by police that hate us).
Allows carry perc, tan, foid and company ID.
Keep weapon in level 3 or higher security holster at all times.
Dont use handcuffs, even if required to carry them .
(Handcuffing puts you close enough to be disarmed.)
Dont bother with asp baton, they dont work...use strong OC spray for defense.
Wear good quality tac boots for running away, if nothing else.
Dont mess with citizens because you are bored. Its not worth risking an incident.
Clock in, clock out, make money and dont start any shit !
Thats the name of the security game.
Some dummy will be writing tickets on LEGALLY parked cars just to justify their contract.
---------------------------------
How is that any different than what the meter maids do on street cleaning days? Writing tickets to legally parked cars to fill a quota has been going on in Chicago for at least 40 years.
We all earn very good salaries and we should be very grateful we have been chosen to serve and protect. As far as I am concerned Supt. Weis is earning way beyond his salary everyday. I am on furlough now but when I return to Chicago I will work with a sense of purpose and honor. I challenge my fellow Blueshirts to do the same. Lets leave all the politics and social issues to others. We must function with honor like the USMC!
3/19/2009 05:34:00 PM
I'm Army but this Marine is squared away. (From personal experience I know a lot of you don't even know what that means.) The clout babies slamming him here are the reason the CPD has such a terrible image. If we had more cops like him we wouldn't have the problems we face now! Wise up, morons. (Now all you fat worthless clout goons can flame away...but your time is limited)
Wonder if you'd try that with me?My badge says Cook county Sheriff on it not CPD. And you need to adjust your comment to "after I was released from Intensive Care and had to undergo facial reconstruction in court I'd say.".........You must be a South sider.
3/20/2009 01:45:00 AM
Wow! You are one tough guy! How much did you pay for your crook county badge you doofus?
I'm a white shirt from another district. If a private citizen or a security guard calls you and says he wants somebody arrested because HE stopped them and found dope on them you MAY take them into custody and process them. You CANNOT sign the complaint. YOU did not witness the crime, the security guard did. HE must sign the complaint, NOT YOU! You more than likely accept prisoners all the time from private citizens. Take for instance a shoplifter. The store witnesses the crime, they call us, we accept the prisoner and process him accordingly, right? Why can't you do the same for a dope pinch? You do the paper work, THEY sign the complaint. If they refuse, do a vice case report and inventory the dope as found property. If a white shirt orders you do sign the complaint, I would refuse. It's an unlawful order. You will win your case at the various remedies that are available to you. Plus, mucho money for them firing you or making your life miserable. Any white shirt that says otherwise or orders you to sign a complaint for anything YOU DO NOT WITNESS is a misfit and unworthy of command be it a Sgt. or the Superintendent of Police!
3/19/2009 08:02
Oh PLEASE....PLEASE arrest me. You have a nice house. Id like to get that,and your life savings and your pension and your car.Dont n eed your guns as MY shit is better by far anyway. PLEASE......
If you did more than sit and bitch all day WE wouldnt have to do YOUR Job on Commmercial. As far as your Union goes.....what a Joke. Go Cry to Donahue about it.SEE how much gets done. Whats a matter? You MAD because we're in your Hiding Spot? Worthless. Let me put it to you THIS way. If YOU come in OUR area and cross the line in the LEAST....Ill be HAPPY to put a CR on your ass. By all means when you grow SPINE, You bring your threat.
I always WANTED to get rich.
As a citizen,I would truly enjoy punching the FUCK out of you..Nine dollar an hour wannbe !
Anonymous said...
am ootorist does not have to stop for a Security Guard unlawfully attempting to make a traffic stop. They are not sworn peace officers in Illinois and don't have police powers. Their stopping a motorist without lawful authority constitutes a violation of the motorists rights as they have the right offreedom of movement which would be restrained by the Guards as they have no legal power under the Illinois Constitution or the U.S. Constitution do do so, as a sworn peace officer does.
3/19/2009 01:20:00 PM
***********************************
Perhaps you can enighten us as to exactly where either constitution mentions the "power of a sworn peace officer."
You may want to VERY CAREFULLY check that company, WSA Inc at 343 South Dearborn Suite 2013 1 312 322 0000 or 1 312 446 9141. It is licensed to a former CPD Capt.(name withheld) who has a mailing address in the 9800 Block of South Winchester. It is run by a person by the name of Ibrahim Kiswani who has a discipline record on his Blue Card.(number avaliable in the DPR website) WSA was formerly NSA security and had to fold because the License holder(one of them) a former Dolton (i believe)PO was INDICTED.
___________________________
If you see a car registered to them, stop it !! I have .. They have unmarked cars running red/blues and the guards were wearing all black with vests, I first thought they were cops. Plates came to NSA
Anonymous said...
Obviously rank and file Chicago Police Officers don't inspire the public trust anymore! How can we trust coppers when you have a decorated traffic unit guy get busted for official miscnduct and virtually every year there has been a corruption scandal involving Chicago Police Officers. Lets face it our department does not have a clean and uber professional image like the Naperville Police Department, the Schaumberg Police Department or the US Secret Service. I'm willing to bet you will see more gated communities in Chicago. As a department each individual member needs to go out and do their best each and every day to earn the public trust. We all earn very good salaries and we should be very grateful we have been chosen to serve and protect. As far as I am concerned Supt. Weis is earning way beyond his salary everyday. I am on furlough now but when I return to Chicago I will work with a sense of purpose and honor. I challenge my fellow Blueshirts to do the same. Lets leave all the politics and social issues to others. We must function with honor like the USMC!
3/19/2009 05:34:00 PM
Hi screaming skull,maybe you need an "update" to your exempt structure?
3/19/2009 11:54:00 PM
During the Clinton era, the head of the Secret Sevice here was dumped after numerous complaints from restaraunts of him shaking them down for free dinners. And these restarauunt owners were beefing for a lengthy period, no one would touch it due to political correctness.
We are forced to sign complaints for the private companys in 011 on there "dope" pinches!
3/19/2009 12:15:00 AM
Do not sign complaints for something you do not observe. If a supervisor orders you to you better document this in your report. Include security officer so and so (his perc info) handed R/D suspect cannabis/crack whatever. Document what the offender says happened including how much money he had when stopped by security officer so and so. Get the security guards contact info if they refuse do not make an arrest. You have to cover youself in the report when the complaints come it is you that made the arrest and you that will be held liable. Remember the city and now private attorneys are keeping track of CR#'s against the police do you really want to put your job and financial well being in the hands of one of these guards.
This is just the Ald building their own patronage army. Now that HDO is gone the mayor and alderman cant force city workers to do political work or promise city jobs for political work. The mayor and alderman can have their friends and family hire political workers for private companys getting city contracts.
what you all forget is that the CHA POLICE were the POLICE! That's right state certification and all, and they all attended and graduated from THE CHICAGO POLICE ACADEMY! They no longer exist because they tore down most of the project buildings! WOW a revelation guys! Why do you think the CHA Police were started? Because CPD would not provide adequate police service to the developments! Most former CHA Cops have gone on to successfull careers in the CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT!! and other departments all across the country! So if you don't have any direct knowledge about the former CHAPD don't make yourself look foolish by posting nonsense....stay safe my blue shirt brothers!!!
You know out of every stupid or alternative idea comes some good. If the people in these areas need protection more than other areas of the city and THEY KNOW THEY DO, they should be required to pay higer tax for more police. They pay, or business pay, these private companies so why not taxes for "real Police"? I live in a low crime area. I would be happy to pay lower taxes and have fewer police around my house. We have fewer police anyway. "What we have here is failure to communicate". Let the people who need police and fire service pay more and the ones who don't pay less. Never mind makes too much sence.
we are not rent-a-cops. it must hurt yall feelings to see an untrained, uneducated, person doing your job.whats funny is that most of us are merely sexconds away from being police. some of yall was security at one time.you allare saying all this bs, but we aint no hoes we will get it in just like you. you all are some fucking haters and i hope that s on your chest got your back. some police dont even like their own. so what yall talking shit, pull it if you bad.
just for info this is being supported byald john pope of the 10th ward who got his job through al sanchez
we train with the police,we range three times a month. we are certified in every thing we carry. find out the real deal before you run your mouth.an yes i am laughing your just as clueless as these scumbags that we have been booking. stop crying and do your job and they wouldn't need us out there. yall ride past crime,dont want to do paper because its time to go home. i've worked several hi-crime accounts and for a small% of yall are the reason for the misconception of who or what we are.either we will fold or be a hero. i do know one thing the community see's us do something about these bad guys and they have spoken, BITCH. EVEN THE CTA WORKERS SAT THANKS WE CAN WAIT FOR OUR BUS ON MICHIGAN AND NOT HAVE TO CREEP THROUGH 50 BANGERS SELLING DRUGS AND CIGARETTES. KNOW TELL THE SUN-TIMES THAT SHIT HOE.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Survival guide for security:
[...]
3/20/2009 07:32:00 AM
Finally, someone with sense.
Wonder if you'd try that with me?My badge says Cook county Sheriff on it not CPD. And you need to adjust your comment to "after I was released from Intensive Care and had to undergo facial reconstruction in court I'd say.".........You must be a South sider.
3/20/2009 01:45:00 AM
***********
Now you're just throwing your weight around - you know damn well what I meant. A badge that is government-backed is valid. One that is issued by Securitas or WhateverTheFuck is not.
As for my location - I'm on the NW side, and as for my own facial reconstruction that is debatable. Yours may be too. Keep in mind we both put our pants on one leg at a time, and both pay taxes. I'm here to learn as a citizen; not get shit from people like you who have to assert themselves and their position in terms of relevance.
if they have powers of arrest, then they can sign complaints just like railroad cops can.
DON'T SIGN COMPLAINTS FOR THEM!
3/19/2009 10:19:00 AM
Interesting....maybe I should check the crime victim signing a complaint for Police Credentials then too BRAINDEAD. Last time I checked you DIDNT NEED TO BE SWORN to sign a complaint. You affirm by your signature that the above is true and correct. The Office "clerks" the complaint with his/her name. THATS not completing a complaint for someone. Or did I miss something 23 years ago??????
INVESTIGATIVE QUESTIONS:
1. Who hired / licensed them to work in City? Their bosses???
2. Who supports "Public Way" arrests by private police? They should be fired after the law suits.
3. Is Daley planning to out source the policing in Chicago as a supplement to the Olympic Game enforcement?
4. Does Weis know about this illegal activity? ie, stops and searches of persons on the public way?
5. Who insures these activities?
6. Are they even true, the allegations or rumors?
7. Did the commander address this at roll call?
8. Where did he get his information?
Answer these and you've got a great story and you can go from there. Now, detach your lips from the mayor's ass and get to work.
3/19/2009 10:17:00 AM
Answers:
1.they are licensed by the state of illinois.
Company name is:Total Security Management out of OakBrook
License Holder: Anthony Arcarro
Former Canadian Intelligence Officer and Vice President of the Kard Protection Group of Oak Park Illinois.
2.There should be no "sidewalk
arrests" If the police process
this type of Arrest Shame on them.Again no complaint no crime,if they balk call a boss to decide the outcome.
3. Olympic Policing remains the
sole responsibility of CPD while other Police Agencies(county,state and ewww federal)will be involved,CPD is roundtabling concepts for Mass Policing. (hell roll tapes from the 67-8 DN convention THAT worked.)
4. Weis doesnt know why he took his last breath. What makes you think he knows/cares about this?
5. Insurance for these activities is the responsibility of the Contractor under State not City guidelines.
6.Allegations are simply that.Allegations.If anyone has proof to offer I can direct you to the correct agency to complain to.
7. dont work in 005 dont know.
8. again dont work in 005 dont know
More info as it becomes avaliable.
HOW CAN THE WHATEVER OF THE FOP, SAY ON NATIONAL T.V. SECURITY GUARDS CANT ARREST PEOPLE. WHEN AN AVERAGE CITIZEN HAS THE POWER TO CITIZEN ARREST. AND IF YOU WERE FORCED TO SIGN A COMPLAINT, YOU PROBABLY SHAKE THE DRUG-DEALER DOWN,USUALLY.
Anonymous said...
You may want to VERY CAREFULLY check that company, WSA Inc at 343 South Dearborn Suite 2013 1 312 322 0000 or 1 312 446 9141. It is licensed to a former CPD Capt.(name withheld) who has a mailing address in the 9800 Block of South Winchester. It is run by a person by the name of Ibrahim Kiswani who has a discipline record on his Blue Card.(number avaliable in the DPR website) WSA was formerly NSA security and had to fold because the License holder(one of them) a former Dolton (i believe)PO was INDICTED.
___________________________
If you see a car registered to them, stop it !! I have .. They have unmarked cars running red/blues and the guards were wearing all black with vests, I first thought they were cops. Plates came to NSA
3/20/2009 11:18:00 AM
Would that be the same irish cpd captain who tried to pick up a young girl at archer and oak park 4 years ago a 14 year old child? The asshole used his clout to get away with it! He is a real POS!
Now you're just throwing your weight around - you know damn well what I meant. A badge that is government-backed is valid. One that is issued by Securitas or WhateverTheFuck is not.
As for my location - I'm on the NW side, and as for my own facial reconstruction that is debatable. Yours may be too. Keep in mind we both put our pants on one leg at a time, and both pay taxes. I'm here to learn as a citizen; not get shit from people like you who have to assert themselves and their position in terms of relevance.
3/20/2009 07:56:00 PM
Wow,I was really astounded by the COMPLETE sentences and articulation. Amazing what a Tax Supported education can do for someone. I suppose this is the part where i insert the appology. Ok,bend over here it comes.Friend do yourself the favor ahead of time.Laugh at them and walk away.And yes I knew EXACTLY what you meant. Thank you.
3/20/2009 01:45:00 AM
Wow! You are one tough guy! How much did you pay for your crook county badge you doofus?
3/20/2009 09:56:00 AM
Far less than you paid for yours WeisRider.
Oh PLEASE....PLEASE arrest me. You have a nice house. Id like to get that,and your life savings and your pension and your car.Dont n eed your guns as MY shit is better by far anyway. PLEASE......
If you did more than sit and bitch all day WE wouldnt have to do YOUR Job on Commmercial. As far as your Union goes.....what a Joke. Go Cry to Donahue about it.SEE how much gets done. Whats a matter? You MAD because we're in your Hiding Spot? Worthless. Let me put it to you THIS way. If YOU come in OUR area and cross the line in the LEAST....Ill be HAPPY to put a CR on your ass. By all means when you grow SPINE, You bring your threat.
I always WANTED to get rich
Hey toy cop, let me put it to you like this. The only reason you talk tough with your so called doing MY job on commercial, is because you are given support by "US". My job? what do you do other than sit in your patrol car and monitor the cameras for the stores? Thats it. Im gonna love to see the first street stop or traffic stop you pull and see how they react to you. You think your tough with that better gun. These boys out here have more powerful guns and trust me, as was the case on Exchange, are not afraid to use them. The only reason the gangs havent fucked with you guys is because of US, trust me. They fear the CPD with us being outnumbered and outgunned, because they know that if they fuck with one of us that they have to fuck with all of us. We command respect. What's your flashlight mall security ass gonna do when they fuck with one of your own. CALL US. So watch your mouth and give us the respect we deserve. I dont give a fuck what Pope or Beale think, we LET you patrol. As far as Im concerned your right im gonna stay out of YOUR area. I dont need to be messing with a Paul Bart wannabe cop, I dont need you trying to get a number on me and trying to sue me with your 10/hr job. Im gonna let you try and play the police and give you something to tell your momma when you get home, maybe you can hang a copy of your first ticket on the fridge, boy are you gonna make her so proud. When you've had your fun trying to play cop and ruin that neighborhood more than it already is. Then Ill come clean up YOUR mess. Just one question for you. How many times you fail the police exam? Yeah, that's what I tought. Keep holding that flashlight. "I see you, I see you"
f you see a car registered to them, stop it !! I have .. They have unmarked cars running red/blues and the guards were wearing all black with vests, I first thought they were cops. Plates came to NSA
3/20/2009 11:18:00 AM
Thank you BROTHER! It was probably the dark newer Crown Vic. Pay attention to the following names;
a. IBRAHIM KISWANI
b. ISRAEL ORTIZ
c. FRANK MERCADO(felon)
for openers. The red/blue light issue should have been a ticket ect. That is CLEARLY Impersonating the Police. Several other IVC's but no space for that. If the car STILL registers to NSA.....NSA is NO LONGER IN BUSINESS.As of last year. Im not blaming you brother you didnt know...now you DO. Insofar as uniform goes,the State says they must be "clearly marked" take that as you want. But all black and BDU sounds to me like they are trying to be HBT,or TRU.Again CHECK CREDENTIALS as "a" is very shady in operation and dances on the line of illegality on a daily basis.
To "3/19/2009 05:34:00 PM" .."Screaming Skull"
I think your sense of dedication and commitment is admirable. If you don't understand the times we live and work in, you should BE committed.
Any department is going to have a few bad examples. The larger the department the more likely it is to happen.
The CPD gets nailed by the Chicago media because we are close. Their offices are downtown, so all they have to do is drive about 3 miles to 3510 S. Michigan to have a press conference.
As for your "rah-rah" attitude, this is not the time for it. If you had a department and city administration that backed you up, it would be OK.
At one time, the upper ranks, the media and the courts gave the copper the benefit of the doubt. Now you are presumed to be racist/brutal/stereotyping/over-reacting unless you can prove otherwise.
Since we, the CPD don't arrest a lot of people anymore, and when we do it gets very expensive, what with sending them to court and all, the rent-a-cops may be the way of the future.
No more hassling people for just standing on the street and bothering with all those loitering event numbers.
Just have the rent-a-cops issue them all ANOV's.
Dope? ANOV
UUW? ANOV
Homicide? a big ANOV.
My GOD! Im ashamed to admit I do Security for a living after reading some of this.
However,thanks to the PO for the accolade and I miss you guys too.The key to Security work,If you are to be effective,is:(how I do it anyway)
1.Find a balance point between community,police,client.Many many times very much easier said than done. I was FORTUNATE to work around stand up cops in 019 and where they left off i picked up and vice versa.
2. Know your place on the food chain.This applies to CPD as well. I may be bottom rung and thats ok,I get things done.I am NOT a hero,a bad ass or a wanna be.I dont walk around with an untouchable attitude or think Im better than the next guy. I am simply a man going to work to do a job in a shit neighborhood around violent people.My JOB is defined as protecting the Residents and the property of the Lathrop Homes.Note here 'lives' is the First priority.
3. Of COURSE there is going to be dissention between Police and Security due to differences in Job Responsibilities and perceived authority.The key there ISNT to cry to the Boss about it its to BE A MAN first before all else and admit error and LEARN from it,being thankful you are alive to do so.
4. Establish CREDIBILITY with the States Attorneys office,the judges and the circuit court system.Many MANY security guards AND Police cant properly testify if their lives depended on it.
5. CONTINUE EDUCATION. Take classes
attend seminars,listen to what Stand Up cops have to say,take input from the community,and STRIVE TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE.
I have never wanted to be the police much less chicago Police,and due to a bum leg I cant.But I would give my life to protect one of you any time any day without question or hesitation.And It pains methat that sentiment isnt at least somewhat reciprocal.
My industry has MANY MANY uneducated ignorant jaded people employed in it as Im sure yours does as well.Im not judging any of the Fine WORKING officers of the chicago Police Department as I have worked along side most of you and was proud and honored to do so.
Those of you that are judging the Security havent worked around ME.
And lastly: SHOW RESPECT TO THE OFFICE.That works BOTH ways gentlemen.Im not asking for respect from ANY PO.I earned that many years ago. My point here while long and verbose,is to say Im not atypical of the lunchpail carrying Security Guard. Those of you that know me I value our Friendships and will cherish our times in battle in the Projects.To those that DO NOT.....Take a minute and get to. You'd be surprised.
Take care and God Bless The Chicago Police Department (and SCC)
funny thing.....My union is ACTUALLY A UNION. I actually HAVE a CONTRACT.We actually GET cost of Living increases and PAID Uniform/equipment allowances.WE dont HAVE TO BEG A BOSS for court time WE get AUTOMATIC 4 hours pay.I have better equipment,FAR better weapons and cars that are replaced every YEAR not when they fall apart at the Area.OUR bosses dont try at each turn to ram it in our asses and OUR Top Manangement actually WORKS and HAS our respect unlike Weis. WE get Comp time,holidays,personal days and healthcare at 100 percent Company paid. So who was the looser again Officer? Go FUCK yourself.
103/Michigan Guard
http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/politics/2009/03/20/police-and-thieves/
we train with the police,we range three times a month. we are certified in every thing we carry. find out the real deal before you run your mouth.an yes i am laughing your just as clueless as these scumbags that we have been booking. stop crying and do your job and they wouldn't need us out there. yall ride past crime,dont want to do paper because its time to go home. i've worked several hi-crime accounts and for a small% of yall are the reason for the misconception of who or what we are.either we will fold or be a hero. i do know one thing the community see's us do something about these bad guys and they have spoken, BITCH. EVEN THE CTA WORKERS SAT THANKS WE CAN WAIT FOR OUR BUS ON MICHIGAN AND NOT HAVE TO CREEP THROUGH 50 BANGERS SELLING DRUGS AND CIGARETTES. KNOW TELL THE SUN-TIMES THAT SHIT HOE.
------------------------------
Did anybody understand any of this?
we train with the police,we range three times a month. we are certified in every thing we carry. find out the real deal before you run your mouth.an yes i am laughing your just as clueless as these scumbags that we have been booking. stop crying and do your job and they wouldn't need us out there. yall ride past crime,dont want to do paper because its time to go home. i've worked several hi-crime accounts and for a small% of yall are the reason for the misconception of who or what we are.either we will fold or be a hero. i do know one thing the community see's us do something about these bad guys and they have spoken, BITCH. EVEN THE CTA WORKERS SAT THANKS WE CAN WAIT FOR OUR BUS ON MICHIGAN AND NOT HAVE TO CREEP THROUGH 50 BANGERS SELLING DRUGS AND CIGARETTES. KNOW TELL THE SUN-TIMES THAT SHIT HOE.
3/20/2009 04:09:00 PM
========
Please tell your four year-old we appreciate his opinion.
If I were you, I'd look into the Sylvan Learning Center.
Yep, ya'll have proven you are fully capable to me!!!!
Sheesh!
we are not rent-a-cops. it must hurt yall feelings to see an untrained, uneducated, person doing your job.whats funny is that most of us are merely sexconds away from being police. some of yall was security at one time.you allare saying all this bs, but we aint no hoes we will get it in just like you. you all are some fucking haters and i hope that s on your chest got your back. some police dont even like their own. so what yall talking shit, pull it if you bad.
3/20/2009 03:58:00 PM
God help all of us ya'll.
Good luck in federal court you hillbilly ASSHAT!
we train with the police,we range three times a month. we are certified in every thing we carry. find out the real deal before you run your mouth.an yes i am laughing your just as clueless as these scumbags that we have been booking. stop crying and do your job and they wouldn't need us out there.
Sorry Officer FIFE you need correction ONCE AGAIN:
1. You do NOT train with the police
CIVILIANS(YOU) are not allowed in POLICE firing ranges. You mostlikely train at 109 and Western where CIVILIANS(YOU)get classes.
2. Because you are certified does NOT mean you know how to use what you carry. People have DL's and still cant drive.
3. You do not "book" anyone Danno.
You call 911,you DETAIN the alleged offender,relate the facts to the Responding PO(US)and if found credible by the PO(us) you sign a complaint.WE(the Police) then transport the offender to the XXX station for further processing and assign you a court date. YOU do not process or book anyone.
Just so youre clear Barney.And make sure you keep that bullet in your pocket moron.
Wonder if you'd try that with me?My badge says Cook county Sheriff on it not CPD. And you need to adjust your comment to "after I was released from Intensive Care and had to undergo facial reconstruction in court I'd say.".........You must be a South sider.
------
lighten up Francis, you big pussy
Comp time,holidays,personal days and healthcare at 100 percent Company paid. So who was the looser again Officer? Go FUCK yourself.
103/Michigan Guard
and who makes 9 bucks an hour, what benefits do you have?
Every citizen has arrest powers for misdemeanors or felonies which occur in their presence, or past felonies. You don't need ANY special 'categorization' for that. So what are you saying again?
3/19/2009 01:46:00 PM
My rebuttal was towards Special Police and I believe I said(although not clearly,sorry) THEY have Police Powers however ONLY on the property assigned and ONLY while on duty. But thanks for clearing up the err of my post.
Would that be the same irish cpd captain who tried to pick up a young girl at archer and oak park 4 years ago a 14 year old child? The asshole used his clout to get away with it! He is a real POS!
3/20/2009 11:10:00 PM
The Captains first name is John.Not sure where he was assigned but it is alleged that he left partially due to involvement with making/selling replica CPD badges.Equally a POS
off topic: WAY OFF TOPIC: Would this be a bad time to ask WHEN AND WHERE we are gonna BBQ this Spring and Summer? Cold Beer and Spicy Slabs of ribs would CERTAINLY take our minds off this mess. Just asking.
OK, we're finished moderating this crap. Post closed.
<< Home