Thursday, May 21, 2009

And in Contract News...

Arbitration is coming according to this e-mail:
  • So this is straight from Greg Bella's mouth. The city has come back with a new financial offer for the contract. They offered 10% for 5 years with no retro or pay raise for the first 2 1/2 years. The city wants the money from that first 2 1/2 years to fund the pension up to date. Union states they will be calling for a vote for arbitration.
Does Greg want to reply to this e-mail? In any case, arbitration looks like a way better deal now. As was explained to us the other night, the Arbitrator has to base his decision on the past few contracts and the comparables for Departments of this size. Off the tops of our heads, that means:
  • a 4-year-contract, not 5;
  • no changes to discipline;
  • an average of 3.5% a year;
  • retro;
  • no work schedule changes;
Shortshanks isn't going to suddenly give in and figures a roll of the dice with an Arbitrator can't hurt his chances. Morale is shot, the Superintendent is incompetent and hamstrung, the exempt camps are hunkering down for the long haul - what's there to lose?

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218 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

with no retro or pay raise for the first 2 1/2 years. The city wants the money from that first 2 1/2 years to fund the pension up to date.
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Fuck that! So WE have to pay TWICE for a pension that is being STOLEN from us by HIS nephew??!!
No dice.

5/21/2009 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want my retro!!! FOP do not give this up!

5/21/2009 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hizzhonor and all of his little cronies can blow me! They can take those offers and they can each shove them straight up their asses!!! What an insult and slap in the face!

5/21/2009 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fuk them, funding the pension is their obligation, we already make our contributions!

Investigate the illegal use of our pension funds NOW!

5/21/2009 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous 29 and a day said...

no retro money means no raise for 30 months No way would I vote for that and I dont expect you to either

5/21/2009 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A protest march on city hall before any vote on arbitration is needed, just to see if the prick might have that grabber.

5/21/2009 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow ... Arbitration it is... You have my vote..

5/21/2009 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why not go to arbitration? I mean, what is there to lose, given the city's present offer?

5/21/2009 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Jack Kevorkian, M.D. said...

If Mayor Daley's brain tumor is malignant despite his partial lobotomy years ago, I recommend a full surgical lobotomy outpatient procedure.

Euthanasia is only a last resort.

5/21/2009 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good point SCC,

The arbitrator bases his/her decision on the facts and does not make a mockery of past decisions. It is imperative that we have patience with the arbitator. He will see the importance of our back pay.
Some of us work our days off for straight time on the C.T.A. Not only are we not getting 1 1/2 but our back pay is accumulating high yielding investments for the City.

P.S. The final decision should take place in November LOL.

5/21/2009 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Hmmmmm...

OK... we have an idea as to what would happen if we went to arbitration. I wonder what would happen if we just dig in and hold tight for the olympic deadline to have public safety contracts finalized (1st week of October?) or shortshanks bid would be in jeopardy? You think by September that miserable little bastard would start sweating? Kinda makes us think of the Battle of The Bulge when some Airborne Ranger made a remark about the enemy forces, "they got us surrounded... poor bastards."

This is uncharted territory, we think shortshanks is pulling out all the stops because he is vulnerable... Pay attention to his going after the exempts for 20 furlough days or forced reversion to career service rank. It may be for bluster. Why would he pull this ass pickle out of his hat so close to the summer killing/festival season? They're already falling over each other trying to keep the real numbers suppressed and keeping the sheeple obedient under the strange narcotic effect of the "magik odours & colourfull melodies" emanating from the king daley colon.

Time is not on his side... It would seem the correct medicine would be to stand pat and not be so fast to drop the hammer on arbitration... just yet.

Any far older, wiser & cooler heads care to weight in? Concur? Differ?

Stay safe, back each other up.

"...be polite/professional but have a plan to kill everyone you encounter if need be..."

-USMC Rules of Gunfighting-
(as adopted by CPD Patrol Division)

5/21/2009 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

arbirtation sounds like our best choice. The city can claim to be poor but they will have to open up the books and show where the money is going.

5/21/2009 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daley's got nothing to lose with arbitration. He can't ask other non-union people for unpaid furlos and then give us a raise. If there's arbitration, he can always say (like he always does), It's not my fault."

5/21/2009 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

June 30 another protest is planned at city hall same as before and then to The Taste. This time the message will be more than the contract it will be about trying to save what little life this city still has in it. Da Mayo must GO!!!!!!!!!!!

5/21/2009 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has the Department notified the Officers on the "List" turned over to that lawyer sueing the city that they are on that "List" and just what information is on that "List"?

Has anyone gotten the true figure on just how many sworn personnel are on the job now? If we are down to fewer people, couldn't they afford to pay us more?

5/21/2009 01:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No office in this city should run unopposed, we should run a cop, fireman or teacher or other union city emoloyyee or retiree for every office.

Make them answer hard questions.

In fact, the one constant should be, a federal audit of the city's books. That would make Shortshanks quake in his boots.

5/21/2009 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Won't arbitration force the city to open the books on their finances to prove they are not creating a false picture of desperation, when the reality is that they have billions of dollars in reserve that is earmarked for the Olympics that they just don't want us to have ? ? ?

5/21/2009 02:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What pension?

5/21/2009 02:33:00 AM  
Blogger TWENTY and OUT said...

Ahh SCC you missed out on reporting a shooting that occurred in the 4th Dist tonight. Around 2130-2145 several calls of shots fired near 95th and Langley. Shortly there after calls rolling in of people shot....1, 2, 3.....over 30 rounds fired.......allegedly 2 vehicles working in conjunction......one traveling E to W on the N. end of the block, the second vehicle traveling W to E on the South end and they light the block up where a lot of people are hanging out. Word is one victim was hit 8 times or so. Oh, did I mention the vehicle on the S. end if the block was shooting some kind of rifle w/ 7.62mm rounds? Just your average Wed. night in the Shitty.....Be careful out there boys and girls.

5/21/2009 02:50:00 AM  
Anonymous 007 said...

Sorry shortshanks you must be mistaken I have already paid my share of the pension money the last 2 years but nice try!

5/21/2009 03:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do we have to fund the pension twice and what would keep the king from stealing it again ?
On the other hand ..... get rid of residency and i, for one, will accept that offer.

5/21/2009 03:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FACT: Each district is now being issued stats with arrest numbers for EACH officer. The districts have to now reply to J-stupids office why their officers' numbers are low and then take "corrective" action. This includes the inside office people.

5/21/2009 06:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a unit rep and I hope the vote to go to arbitration is unanimous. A vote by acclimation to go to arbitration, another year of waiting at least. We need to have no dissent on this vote. Stick together.

Now go to work, do your job, and don't get parking tickets on your squad car.

And remember who is causing all this, no contract, no raise, no retro etc.:

Richard M. Daley, no one else.

5/21/2009 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard that WEISel will be run out of here before summer ends; Mauer may be returned in the interim to run the Dept. The Mayor knows he has to do something about the bad morale=no tows, no tickets, no revenue situation and soon.

5/21/2009 06:20:00 AM  
Blogger sharky said...

The danger of arbitration is that he might rule that the economy is so bad, he rules against a pay increase. Past precedent is a roadmap for an arbitrator, as well as negotiating stances previously taken in the current negotiations. However, the city's ability to pay is a high priority also in this decision.
Arbitration is not a good move in a bad economy, generally speaking. A big roll of the dice.

5/21/2009 06:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beware of The Trojan Horse for inside it is Daley and Donahue! We have two enemies! Good cop bad cop routine! Donahue will tell us before the cock crows three times, "This is the best deal I could get you!" Remember the 80% scam which was coming any day now? Daley is the real FOP President! Demand that they reduce the number of years our pension will be based on! Demand three years instead of four! Do the math and see the difference! We are being scammed by these two thieves!

5/21/2009 07:01:00 AM  
Anonymous DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS said...

Legislation is under way in Austin to allow qualified students with Texas concealed carry permits to carry on campus.

Too bad it was too late for Virginia Tech and NIU.

How does Supreme Emperor Shortshanks with his thirty-man bodyguard detail like dem apples?

5/21/2009 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LMAO what a joke. Fuck it. Give our raise to the alderfucks. I hate this city!

5/21/2009 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chalkie is just warming up!

9 Shot, 1 Dead In 80 Violent Minutes On South Side
No One In Custody In Any Of The Shootings As Of Thursday Morning
CHICAGO (STNG) ―


A woman was killed and eight others were injured in shootings on the city's South Side in just 80 minutes.

5/21/2009 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No retro = GET BENT!

5/21/2009 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

STUFF IT!!!! GIVE ME A PROPERTY TAX CUT THEN WTF FOP???? THIS IS NOTHING

5/21/2009 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP could have gone to arbitration two years ago. What the f*%k now we are going to have to wait another year. All the chumps at FOP in the words of Hawk Harrelson "They gone." Donahue is laughing all the way to the bank.

5/21/2009 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure that you have very good sources, but you have no idea how right you are about the exempts.

5/21/2009 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retro? More like pimp change. Be glad you have a job. Every contract just gets worse.

5/21/2009 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a surprise at all. I'm happy with my decision not to do a damn thing for the last 9 months. We could get screwed in arbitration though. Retro might be out.

5/21/2009 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I truly hope our ball-less F.L.O.P. tells the Shitty to shove it up their asses! 2% for us, and the fucking aldercreatures get 6%! WTF is going on with our so-called Union that we pay for????????? I have officially started my work stoppage!

5/21/2009 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How bout this Shanks, you fucking fuck! Fund the pension up to date with all your hidden TIFF money or the 190 million from midway. Meet your obligation. Don't try and make us carry the burden of the city's pension responsibility.

TIME TO MARCH...TO THE FIFTH FLOOR!!!

5/21/2009 07:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go for arbitration. Get the money now and then when you retire and there is no money left, complain. Maybe work at walmart.

5/21/2009 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This job used to be fun, pre JFED. Now I used to sit back and laugh at the ideas that JFED had but now I have to say it isn't funny it is downright sad.

We have to stick together and keep it up. All of you guys who have cush spots you have to help out too. That means slow down they can't dump all of us.

I still have no idea why I hear footchases for dope on the zones, hey wake up if they aren't selling on your block then who cares let them sell, all they are doing is killing themselves anyways. Which in my eyes is the ultimate goal anyhow.

5/21/2009 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

go to arbitration. I want my retro money. Im tired of an old timer telling me that retro shouldnt be my main concern. Look, Im well aware of benefits, and pension issues which is also something our fucking union shouldnt GIVE away. But the retro is money I WAS OWED FOR 2 YRS working without a contract. You are telling me to fuck it? I have 10yrs on and have recently decided that if I find another line of work at 45 then im out of this shithole after 20yrs. BUT WE SHOULD NOT GIVE IN TO CITYS DEMANDS OF NO RETRO< THAT IS MONEY OWED TO US !!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/21/2009 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city has to pay the pension up to date on their own, not off of my back. Why haven't they done this already. I am all for the city living up to it's obligations, but they are going to have to find another way. No thank you.

5/21/2009 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WE HAVE ALWAYS WON WITH THE ARBITRATOR BESIDES THE MAYOR HAS THE MONEY SAVED FOR A "RAINY DAY FUND" his own words!

Besides the Mayors staff members just started a new company to get some of that parking meter money he says he needs for a rainy day!

I'll take my chances with the ARBITRATOR! They have treated US better than Shortshanks have in the past!

Shortshanks has to open the books and well see just what he did with 6 BILLION dollars!

5/21/2009 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We all need that retro, some more than others. WTF!!!

5/21/2009 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Donahue will tell us before the cock crows three times, "This is the best deal I could get you!"
__________________________________

Who's Judas??

5/21/2009 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember the last two contracts? they threatened to not give us no retro back then. we held tight and got our retro.

5/21/2009 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey
We want what the mayor got! 15% for 4 years and all of it front loaded. He got his 15% all on the first day.



Signed
Sick and Tired of the City's Bullshit

5/21/2009 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Retro? More like pimp change. Be glad you have a job. Every contract just gets worse.

5/21/2009 07:47:00 A
You sir or ma'am are an asshole! Well guess what, that "pimp change" is mine and I want it. Be ad to have a job!!!!!???? What the heeeell does that have to do with anything????? Im glad im not not you jaggoff.

5/21/2009 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont care about retro I just keep doing my job for the mayor and the majority of voters who put him in office.

5/21/2009 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Chalkie is just warming up!

9 Shot, 1 Dead In 80 Violent Minutes On South Side
No One In Custody In Any Of The Shootings As Of Thursday Morning
CHICAGO (STNG) ―


A woman was killed and eight others were injured in shootings on the city's South Side in just 80 minutes.

5/21/2009 07:18:00 AM

oNLY I SCUMBAG DEAD WTF! Make the bambulance take their time! It would save us big cash in the long run!

5/21/2009 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
go to arbitration. I want my retro money. Im tired of an old timer telling me that retro shouldnt be my main concern. Look, Im well aware of benefits, and pension issues which is also something our fucking union shouldnt GIVE away. But the retro is money I WAS OWED FOR 2 YRS working without a contract. You are telling me to fuck it? I have 10yrs on and have recently decided that if I find another line of work at 45 then im out of this shithole after 20yrs. BUT WE SHOULD NOT GIVE IN TO CITYS DEMANDS OF NO RETRO< THAT IS MONEY OWED TO US !!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/21/2009 08:34:00 AM

Hety young buck I am an old timer kma member and want RETRO also,along with everything else fuck daley the 50 thieves and the rest!

5/21/2009 09:28:00 AM  
Blogger O. W. Wilson said...

Anonymous said...

FOP could have gone to arbitration two years ago. What the f*%k now we are going to have to wait another year. All the chumps at FOP in the words of Hawk Harrelson "They gone." Donahue is laughing all the way to the bank.

5/21/2009 07:34:00 AM


We could NOT have gone to arbitration two years ago. To file for arbitration FOP has to declare an impasse and there has to be an actual impasse. FOP could not declare this two years ago. now they can. We also would not be doing the pilot program on alternate work schedules and 55/out w/health insurance would be dead, it is not dead no mater what bullshit rumor you hear. It might be dead soon but is not dead as yet.

This is a slow motion chess game, it just doesn't go one, two, three, give us a contract. the City knows the game very well and they drag it out to the max. It is in the City's interest to do so.

When FOP declares impasse and files for arbitration it will be on our time and when it is to our advantage, other things need to happen or not happen prior to filing for arbitration.

It will likely be another year at least before this is settled. Remember the contract that expired in 1999? That wasn't settled by arbitrator until 2002. Three long years. We got 16% over 4 years that time and that was in good economic times.

So we throw the dice when we go to arbitration, everything else that can be negotiated will be, the remaining issues will go to the arbitrator.

Remember who is causing this, Richard M. Daley. Remember also to vote the bum out on Feb 22, 2011.

5/21/2009 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey alderscum, Hows that 6% raise you got this year? Working two jobs over here. Don't Wonder why I haven't written a ticket in over a year. Looking to move out the city here

5/21/2009 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I fully support filing for arbitration, but I think we all must keep in mind that it's a "crap shoot" with no guarantees.

5/21/2009 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please, tell me why the hell should we have to RE-pay back into the pension? I might be mistaken but I thought that the pension should have a certain percentage of funds in it at all times according to the state constitution? What is their reasoning for taken the money out in the first place and who allowed it? NO RETRO??? Somebody is off their meds!

5/21/2009 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have posted numerous times always saying no no retro. Just do not blame the mayor only, although he is wrong. Blame the FOP we had an offer to work with, and Bella and the boys thought it was more important to try to show up Wies.
Although I despise Wies and Daley, our contract should have been priority one to the union. Instead they created a distraction to cover up their own incompetence i.e. the protest march and the no confidence vote.
The FOP does not care whether or not we get a raise those guys are all making exempt pay.

5/21/2009 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do we think that arbitrators these days - when people are losing their jobs right and left, and others (see the preceding post!) are taking pay cuts - do we think they're going to say, "You boys deserve cost of living increases"?

No one else is getting them these days. It's no longer business as usual. Anywhere.

5/21/2009 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
arbirtation sounds like our best choice. The city can claim to be poor but they will have to open up the books and show where the money is going.

5/21/2009 01:15:00 AM



HE's got all sorts of books for you and them!

5/21/2009 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
FOP could have gone to arbitration two years ago. What the f*%k now we are going to have to wait another year.




Daley needs to collect the interest he earns on our retro

5/21/2009 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$$$$$ BOX CHEVY SAID $$$$$
OK... we have an idea as to what would happen if we went to arbitration. I wonder what would happen if we just dig in and hold tight for the olympic deadline to have public safety contracts finalized (1st week of October?) or shortshanks bid would be in jeopardy? You think by September that miserable little bastard would start sweating? Kinda makes us think of the Battle of The Bulge when some Airborne Ranger made a remark about the enemy forces, "they got us surrounded... poor bastards."
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I was thinking the same thing. Since he wants the Olympics so bad if we held out until Oct. wouldn't they be forced to settle our contract? By that time the would have to give in which would be good for us. Any ideas???

5/21/2009 10:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OF TOPIC: FOR THE OFFICERS, FIREMAN AND RESIDENTS OF MOUNTGREENWOOD BE ON NOTICE THAT SHITHEADS ARE RENTING TWO HOUSES AT 10819 AND 10822 S. WHIPPLE. THEY CAME FROM ENGELWOOD AND ARE NOW THREATENING RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, SO MUCH THAT THERE WERE ARRESTS ON BOTH TUE AND WED INVOLVING THESE SCUM BAGS. I DON'T NOW WHO RENTS OUT THESE HOUSES BUT RUMER HAS IT IT'S A FIREMAN(HOPE NOT).

5/21/2009 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have 10yrs on and have recently decided that if I find another line of work at 45 then im out of this shithole after 20yrs.

5/21/2009 08:34:00 AM

So I gather that you are presently 35 years of age? You do realize that leaving in 2019 at 45 years of age with 20 years of service, you will not receive a retirement check until 2024 when you attain 50years of age, but you will be receiving money at its 2019 value, plus, leaving before you are 50 years of age, you will be penalized 2.5% for every year of age short of 50.

To sum up, leaving at 45 years of age with 20 years of service, you will have to wait 5 years, until 2024, for your first retirement check, at an amount that was finalized in 2019 and is non-negotiable. Plus, the 2.5% penalty for every year shy of 50 computes to a 50% pension minus 10% = 40% pension for the rest of your life.

So you will get a 40% pension in 2024, but it will be computed from the money you made previous to, and up to, the date you leave in 2019, hence, you will be receiving money in 2024 at a 2019 value. That would, most likely, work against you.

If you do make 20 years, you might want to rethink taking an early duck. It could be one very expensive early out.

5/21/2009 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MY RETRO CHECK PAY MY FOP DUES!!!! SO NO MONEY FOP

5/21/2009 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bend over folks!

5/21/2009 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pension fund is low because property tax funds earmarked for the fund were spent on other projects. If the money was put into the pension fund like it was supposed to we wouldn't have this problem now would we little Rich?

We already pay the required 10% per paycheck into our pension fund. Arbitrator will NEVER agree to this so let's go Richie game on.

5/21/2009 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS said...
Legislation is under way in Austin to allow qualified students with Texas concealed carry permits to carry on campus.

Too bad it was too late for Virginia Tech and NIU.

How does Supreme Emperor Shortshanks with his thirty-man bodyguard detail like dem apples?

5/21/2009 07:11:00 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWlMEa811EE

5/21/2009 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP says they will not negotiate in the media and I respect that. But can someone who was at the meeting please let us know what was discussed. Other than 3rd or 4th party rumors, if you were not at the last meeting you don't know.

5/21/2009 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You think the city is fucking you wait till the FOP gets done with you.Can you say DRY.This is DonaHOS last contract.Just like Dineen,NOLan,you will get fucked.ASK the GUYS who have 10yrs or more on the job.Where are the billboards,radio ads flyers,newspaper ads.and why did we not march on the hotel.Look at the facts.Ask cooter what about the coopers who got fucked on the BIS program.you better care because the next program you will be on,with no FOP help.you the city is out to fuck you,but the fop wont even buy you a drink.

5/21/2009 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1 percent 1 percent 1 percent and 3 percentand 3 percent.If you dont like quit.and rite more tickets slackers.The fop just SPIT in ur FACE,how does it fell cooter.

5/21/2009 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets see:
California almost bankrupt
Chrysler bk
GM going bk
Great Britain is losing it TRIPLE A rating on its bonds- like a 3rd world country
Talk of the good old USA possibly losing TRIPLE A- will be on par with some higher 3rd world countries.
Real unemployment close to 15 %
And an arbitrator is going to give the union whatever it desires: like retro, more days off, etc--

Dream on

5/21/2009 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow that rally sure did help alot....


NoT

if we forgo the retro we will never see it again

5/21/2009 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No retro... Interesting. Let me get this right we are required to reside in this crap schity, pay the highest taxes that seem to keep going up. We have nothing but scandal in local, county and state office's that of course we pay for with our taxes and yet they do not want to pay us? Maybe someone should ask them how they expect us to pay the ever increasing taxes if they do not give us raises...

5/21/2009 12:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of you on here no nothing about how this works. Just because we go to arbitration does not mean we will get what we want. The arbitrator could rule in the citys favor on everything. Then everyone on here will say how stupid the FOP was for going to arbitration. Most are blinded by the offer of a retro check and will give up anything to get one. We need to take the best offer overall. Look at the big picture not just some 5,000 retro check hanging in front of you that will be gone in a month anyway.

5/21/2009 12:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The union VP told us in Dec. that they have put arbitration off for so long becaus eteh city offered the schedule changes to "help morale" without having to give up anything, contract wise. I guess we will be getting the old 6-2 off schedule back. I dont care I want my money. Take the schedule and stick in your ass. Take the intrest you made off our money and fund the pension you deadbeat mayor!

5/21/2009 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Squeal Louder.... said...

5/21/2009 01:12:00 AM
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Hmmmmm...

OK... we have an idea as to what would happen if we went to arbitration. I wonder what would happen if we just dig in and hold tight for the Olympic deadline to have public safety contracts finalized (1st week of October?) or shortshanks bid would be in jeopardy? You think by September that miserable little bastard would start sweating?

Dear Box Chevy Phantom....
First, I would like to say, "a tip of the ole chapeau" to your moniker.
However, if you had attended the last FOP meeting, and listened to Donahue, you would know that the finalization of contracts to secure the Olympic bid, is a rumor, nothing else. The question was asked specifically, "Does the city need to have our contract finalized to secure the Olympic bid?"...Donahues answer was an unceremonious "No".

So please people, the city has the Olympics in the bag. Hoping they "Don't get the Olympics" is delusional at best.

Box Chevy, you should know better.

5/21/2009 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BUT WE SHOULD NOT GIVE IN TO CITYS DEMANDS OF NO RETRO< THAT IS MONEY OWED TO US !!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/21/2009 08:34:00 AM

The problem is, its not money owed to us. In todays economy show me how many professions are getting raises, good luck with that... We are lucky we all still have jobs with little fear of lay offs and thats a fact.
I understand many of us have dug holes deeper than we can afford but that is our problem, at least we still have jobs to try and keep the ship afloat. To the public (I know ur gonna say "fuck the public") we look nothing more than greedy assholes, wanting more money to do a job a trained monkey could probably accomplish.
Maybe the answer would have been to buy things you could afford at the time without doing OT instead of getting in over your head...

5/21/2009 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic: In todays New York Times there is a buried story about how our president is seeking the authority to incarcerate without enough proof to convict anyone he deems a threat to the country. This on the same day he is speaking about closing Gitmo. Now do you think this new power will used to capture islamo terrorists, ms13 members or Mexican drug lords? I doubt it. They will be used to attack members of NRA, Minute Men and Tea Party protestors. Keep your eyes open and guns loaded.

5/21/2009 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahh SCC you missed out on reporting a shooting that occurred in the 4th Dist tonight. Around 2130-2145 several calls of shots fired near 95th and Langley. Shortly there after calls rolling in of people shot....1, 2, 3.....over 30 rounds fired.......allegedly 2 vehicles working in conjunction......one traveling E to W on the N. end of the block, the second vehicle traveling W to E on the South end and they light the block up where a lot of people are hanging out. Word is one victim was hit 8 times or so. Oh, did I mention the vehicle on the S. end if the block was shooting some kind of rifle w/ 7.62mm rounds? Just your average Wed. night in the Shitty.....Be careful out there boys and girls.

And who was the moronic sergeant from Tru, 4230 something, screemin bloody murder at the scene. Callin a 10-1 for nothin. This idiot is gonna get someone killed, then he proceeds to yell at our 006 officers. Keep an eye on ur own people, you freakin idiot.

5/21/2009 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patience is a virtue. If it's true olympic cities can't have open contracts, let's wait. If were going to get retro from an arbitrator, it will still be from the same date of the last contract to whenever its signed. Daley will do whatever he need to do to get his moment (olympics). It's damn near june a few more months will be a small price to pay to deny the midget what he wants more than anything else on earth.Daley seems to be getting desperate, & wants arbitration to close all contracts. To our useless union now is the time to either grow or borrow a set. If the LAW states the pension will be funded to a certain level.DO WHAT WE PAY YOU FOR!!!!! I strangely remember these things called COURTS..... Time for another protest. Does anyone know a reporter thats not in bed with Daley, maybe some National attention will make the midget sweat. Sorry for the long rant. Remember you can only answer one call at a time, Wait for your backup, Drive in a safe manner to the job, Watch each others backs,Go home to your love ones. Also the heat & humidity are not our friends. Keep whatever on your hip clean & oiled. We're going to need them working this summer

5/21/2009 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous 016 District Worker said...

Heard city is trying to get some sort of gambling. Why don't we wait and see?????

5/21/2009 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

USMC Rules for Gunfighting

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Your life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

9.5 Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

12. Have a plan.

13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.

15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

16. Don't drop your guard.

17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.

18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).

19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

23. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a ".4"

Navy Rules to Gunfighting

1. Go to Sea

2. Send the Marines

3. Drink Coffee

5/21/2009 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By promoting well over 150 exempts, numerous capts., commanders, and a ton of merit positions, you have eatten up our pension. Only "earned" civil service rank should be pensionable,and all overtime should also be pensionable. Fuck those exempt ranks that have a nice career and a super nice retirement at the expense of the working blue shirt!!!

5/21/2009 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regardless of the economy, show me the last time the city offered us the national average for a contract----it has never happened. The city was able to quickly get minority participation for the parking meters without a problem. Los Angeles is getting more for their parking meter deal than Chicago even though they have less meters and collect less money---how can this be---its the Chicago way

5/21/2009 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lower the years for a pension
rumor is no pension for new hires
and 55 years old to retire for officers with less than 10 years

5/21/2009 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police and Fire get next to nothing while the Daley Crime Family takes care of it's own!

Avis Lavelle and Cortez Trotter receive minority contracts to from the parking meter concession.

Daley's nephew and an political insider rip off the pension funds.

Daley's son and nephew receive contracts from the City and just forgot to fill out an ethics statement.

Maxwell Street project gives big subsidies to Taylor Street insiders and the Mayor says the City cannot get the money back.

TIF's all over the City are spending real estate taxes without any oversight.

Daley and Burke are increasing the number of red light cameras, parking meters and are about to introduce speed cameras and heaven help you if you try to fight same.

This City is going to hell!

P.S. Has J-Fed taken any furlough days without pay? How about his retired FBI pals?

5/21/2009 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"get rid of residency and i, for one, will accept that offer"

Do us a favor jackass, and shut that hole under your nose!

5/21/2009 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait until 03 Oct 09, we've waited this far. If we go to arbitration it might be a way for the city to sell it to the Olympic committee as being negotiated. And until then shut down further and protest again!!!

5/21/2009 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

call the fop and let them no!!!!!

5/21/2009 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GM, Chrystler and Ford unions all stayed together. It all eventually ends. Police and teacher unions are next. When Chicago and the state go bankrupt...there will be no pension. Save what you can now or leave.(before 10 year vested). It's 50K or so but you can at least have that and can start over. Do it! GET OUT IF YOU CAN!!!!!

5/21/2009 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who says retro pay is pimp change? It is not! It is owed money! If I didn't pay my property taxes for two years do you think the county would just sum it up as "Just pimp change"? NO WAY, they would take my house. It may be pimp change for those officers who don't put in a lot of overtime, but for me and those who still work on this dept. It adds up to a nice tidy sum. Last time we went this long they had to cough up 10 grand to me (after taxes). 10 grand ain't pimp change to me brother.

5/21/2009 01:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC,
I am attaching information from Saint Xavier University. (BELOW) This is a great opportunity for officers to complete their Undergraduate and or Graduate degrees at an accredited CPD tuition reimbursement approved university. I have completed both and the city/CPD paid over $30,000 for my education and I did NOT have to pay back a single penny! This also included books! Also, remember; Saint Xavier was the university that conferred upon Officer Nathaniel Taylor his Master's Degree posthumously. A "stand up" and pro-police university. Also, could you please make a separate posting for this? Feel free to edit any of this! thanks.... Det. John Folino
Area 5

Dear SCC:

Det. John Folino asked that I contact you with some information for possible inclusion on the SCC website.  We would be most grateful to be placed on the SCC website.  Below is some information about our program offered at the Chicago Police Department Education and Training Division .  Please feel free to contact me at 773 298 3680 or watland@sxu.edu if you need additional information.

Thank you for your consideration.




Dr. Kathleen H. Watland
Saint Xavier University
Graham School of Management

“If you are an FOP member interested in going back to school for an MBA, or perhaps a member looking to complete your undergraduate degree, or maybe it is a certificate in Financial Fraud Examination and Management that you are after, Saint Xavier University's Graham School of Management offers a variety of educational programs with built in benefits for FOP member employees of the Chicago Police Department. All classes are held at the centrally located Chicago Police Department Education and Training Division and are open to all law enforcement personnel. Classes are offered in 10-week terms in the late afternoons. There is also a one month summer session. The MBA program can be completed in less than two to three years, depending on course loads.

FOP members who join our program at the Chicago Police Department Education and Training Division will be able to take advantage of some special benefits including:

 -Waived application, registration and student fees
-Deferred payment of tuition without initial down payment so long as students comply with CPD
Tuition Reimbursement guidelines
 -Free textbooks for courses delivered to the classroom.
 
Being an FOP member is a privilege...a privilege with many benefits. Don't miss the opportunity to take advantage of this self-improvement educational benefit and start school when Saint Xavier's classes start on June.8.

For more information, please contact Kate Watland 773 298 3680,
Steve Hallenbeck 773 298 3836 or Rob Weierman 773 298 3664.”

5/21/2009 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Law is the law!!

CHARGE HIM!!!!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-fop-councilmay21,0,6943507.story

inspectors tour district lots in search of officers who have the medallion on their plate in order to write them up

5/21/2009 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say hold out till the economy picks up a little more. You DON'T want to go to arbitration and just have some contract thrown together.

5/21/2009 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Be verrrryyyy weary of shortshanks & his offer, he gives nothing w/o getting twice the amount back.

He has those racoon eyes from staying up at night devising ways to fuck his employees & the citizens of Chicago.

As we all know, Shortshanks is an evil S.O.B.

5/21/2009 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It appears that the Mayor's chickens are coming home to roost.

5/21/2009 02:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need to have a citywide "sick day". Hmmm maybe the 4th of July would be a good day to be sick.

5/21/2009 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Tip from DoR said...

The #1 DoR employee responsible for the absurd ticketing of emergency vehicles is a M/2/30's.

This moron (who is hated by other DoR ticket writers) has the EXACT same first and last name as a certain retired suburban police sergeant whose name constantly appears in both local and national media (as well as SCC).

This cocksucker reportedly does NOT own/drive a motor vehicle.

This could only occur with the blessing of the Stuttering Prick.
"Divide and Conquer".

5/21/2009 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Basically what the Mayor wants to do is place our retro money into the pension fund as the Cities contribution. They should have been funding it all along. Its all bullshit. Hes paying his share with our money. I think the arbitration might be a loser for us. The City is in a financial bind, that being said they will have to open the books for all to see, that could prove interesting. However the jag offs would not even be facing this problem had a contract beeen offered and accepted when it expired several years ago. Once again the City stalled the talks and now in the tough economic times they are sucking ass. I dont think an arbitrator would give us anything based upon the economic mess that all cities are in across the country. However sense a contract was due us several years ago he may rule 3%each year since the contract expired, with retro pay back to the date of expiration and then freeze our salarys going forward through 2010, until the economy can be reevaluated. Resulting in an increase from time of contract expiration of about 7-8% with retro pay, and a frozen salary moving forward until 2010.. Once again I say if they are freezing oour salary ( the Las Vegas PD agreed to it ) go for the residency requirement to go away. Being able to send your kids to a public school in the burbs is worth 7,000 per kid. that equals about a 10 % raise for a 15 year PO with one child, not a bad raise. Go for the residency to be dropped that is a far better deal, fuck Short Shanks in the ass when a high paying steady tax base begins to desert the now stable S/W and N/W sides of the city.

5/21/2009 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dont do shit!!! Do enough not to get written up or fired. Fuck them!!!! NO MORE WORK. NO MORE WORK. NO MORE WORK. NO MORE WORK

5/21/2009 03:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) Anyone know what happened today on 5200 block south mulligan about 1430hrs? 811 and 814 were there for awhile?

5/21/2009 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

arbitration,will the feds ever expose all the daley "hidden" tif monies? It is in the hundreds of millions!

5/21/2009 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Chalkie® said...

Dump residency, fully fund the pension, lower the retiree health care age to 45 years, let sgts. and below purchase up to 10 years of pensionable employment service credits, flush joe-dee AND make Kapt. K. the Queen Superintendent, THEN I'd consider no retro. Maybe.

5/21/2009 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we PAWN the BEAN?

5/21/2009 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Euthanasia is only a last resort.

5/21/2009 01:07:00 AM"


In my humble opinion, euthanasia should be the only option.

5/21/2009 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about no pay raise in return for lifting the city residency clause. I would vote for that in a second

5/21/2009 04:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP needs to start getting ready for war. In the last 2 years the cost of gas has gone up, my property taxs way up, sales tax way up,heating bill up, electric bill up,tuition up, city water up, groceries up. The cost of living is going up the city gave raises to the electricans, plumbers, streets and san,water dept, CTA, teachers, laborers, and the city council voted themselves and the mayor a big raise, then gave there staffs a raise. We need to march and we need to start filing grievances and lawsuits over every issue imaginable.

5/21/2009 04:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Property taxes are supposed to pay our salarys mayor mumbles has shifted huge amounts of property tax money into TIF funds. The FOP needs to demand (and go to court if need be) a full accounting of all TIF funds in the city. These are funds that are supposed to pay us that mayor mumbles has diverted to slush funds for his developer friends.

5/21/2009 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Economy in general --

SCC mentioned some time back how we're not even treading water any more, but "drowning. Slowly." Here, life at $15 an hour...remember when that was a lot of money?

"We take you to the Thrift Store on Georgia Avenue and Marie Nicholas, 35...She is what economists call the working poor...She is picking through the racks.

"People working who don't make a lot of money go to the system for help, and they deny them," Nicholas says. "They say I make too much. It almost helps if you don't work."

"She says she makes $15 an hour working as a certified nursing assistant. She pays $850 for rent for a one-bedroom that she shares with her boyfriend and child. She went looking for a two-bedroom unit recently and found it would cost her $1,400..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp-dyn/content/article/2009/
05/17/AR2009051702053.html?g=0

5/21/2009 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make no mistake about it, the aldercreatures and general corrupt politicians of this city have FUCKED UP this city so entirely that arbitration would be devastating to us.

An arbitrator takes into account economic conditions in relation to past contracts and the economy of that time and place. DONT THINK FOR A SECOND ARBITRATION IS THE WAY TO GO PEOPLE. THAT IS 100% DEAD WRONG. WE ARE IN ECONOMIC TIMES THAT ARE ADVANTAGEOUS TO Lil Caeser.

We will get hosed without a reach around. Just sit and wait. Keep rejecting every proposal until we see an upturn in the economic conditions.

Lil Ceaser's TIF funds are full with about 2 billion that he never has to report as available funds. A cute little sludge fund for his discretion.

AND TO THINK, I STILL HERE THE SOFTEES ON THE RADIO DOING FOOTCHASES FOR THE ALMIGHTY ROCK CB NUMBER. DUMBASSES. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

5/21/2009 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arbitration......PLEASE...We have NOTHING to loose at this point....This has got to stop...I want my $$ by Christmas....I will NOT "help fund my OWN F*&^ing pension with my OWN $$" that the city is bound to fund with....This mayor MUST GO...Hell I'll Vote for Jessie....anybody!!! Next time around...just to get rid of this criminal clown!! ARBITRATION.....ARBITRATION.....ARBITRATION

5/21/2009 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I VOTE ARBITRATION!

FUCK THIS CITY!

5/21/2009 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Mayor is out of control. He's been the BOSS for so long, and is used to having things go his way no matter what. He routinely blows his top like a child.

The longer I'm on the job, the more City chiefs I talk to. Every one of them says the same thing: He is nuts. He has no repect for any City worker, especially the Police and speaks about us in increasingly foul language.

The citizens of Chicago need to look past the "bread and circus" and rid the City of this corrupt and erratic "CEO".

5/21/2009 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

give me the 10% and go fu*k yourself with the no retro

5/21/2009 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

The FOP says they will not negotiate in the media and I respect that. But can someone who was at the meeting please let us know what was discussed. Other than 3rd or 4th party rumors, if you were not at the last meeting you don't know.

5/21/2009 11:31:00 AM


There was no numbers discussed at that meeting, Donahue would only say the new offer is roughly half of the previous offer and that the Lodge wouldn't consider even talking to the city about the offer much less presenting it to the membership.

On the schedule change, FOP and city are committed to implementing a new schedule. They picked an arbitrator and have arbitration dates scheduled for the ALTERNATE WORK SCHEDULE ONLY!

This arbitration was announced late last summer. It deals with the work schedule only if there is no agreement before then.

It is my understanding that the other issues would go to interest arbitration, issues like salary, discipline etc. The 55/health insurance issue will either be thumbs up or down by Friday. If agreed and signed off on by both parties it could be done and included in any eventual contract.

5/21/2009 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
1 percent 1 percent 1 percent and 3 percentand 3 percent.If you dont like quit.and rite more tickets slackers.The fop just SPIT in ur FACE,how does it fell cooter.

5/21/2009 11:49:00 AM
Let's see if I got this right:
"If you DONT LIKE Quit" "RITE more tickets" "FELL?" And YOU think you deserve a raise? And what would you use it for? To go back to school or to buy some more Jack Daniels? Just wondering.

5/21/2009 05:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem is, its not money owed to us. In todays economy show me how many professions are getting raises, good luck with that... We are lucky we all still have jobs with little fear of lay offs and thats a fact.
I understand many of us have dug ..........

This guy is full of shit !!! then settle a contract before it expires !!!! cant negotiate knowing you wont have to pay a retro! then there is no need to settle anything.. postpone meeting, votes GET IT NOW ASSHOLE ?

5/21/2009 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger O. W. Wilson said...

CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE 05/21/09

The Lodge and the City met on Wednesday, May 20th. Retiree healthcare, the FTO program, the Personal Evaluation System, and random testing were among the issues that were discussed. Two additional negotiations meetings were set for June 3rd and June 10th.

That's all for now. Keep the faith.

5/21/2009 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck just marching on city hall, I say we stage a mock funeral and bury morale.

5/21/2009 05:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, so idiot wants to put the 1st 2.5 years raises into the pension fund. That means he has the money for the raises plus interest. However, he has not been funding the pension as he is legally obligated to.

If I were an arbitrator I would look at it as he has the money, has to give the retro and his problem to find the money to fufill his legal obligation to fund the pension.

But, we are in Chicago so who knows.

Stay safe......a wife

5/21/2009 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"-USMC Rules of Gunfighting-
(as adopted by CPD Patrol Division)

5/21/2009 01:14:00 AM"


Exactly.

March on city hall on the 30th of June.

Press releases that, even if hardly any are published/broadcast, spell it all out for the public.

Blanket the many political blogs with the truth.

If the midget is pushing, directly or indirectly, for arbitration, it's a move akin to pretending to tap out of a solid pin.

As a previous poster on another thread said, we're not winning, we've already won.

Now it's just a matter of follow through.

As in, put the mumbling bitch out of his misery.

5/21/2009 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of you on here no nothing about how this works. Just because we go to arbitration does not mean we will get what we want. The arbitrator could rule in the citys favor on everything. Then everyone on here will say how stupid the FOP was for going to arbitration. Most are blinded by the offer of a retro check and will give up anything to get one. We need to take the best offer overall. Look at the big picture not just some 5,000 retro check hanging in front of you that will be gone in a month anyway.


--------Oh I guess YOU will settle for anything. If we don't fight for a retro check now, we will be waiting 5 fricking years between contracts without the pay that we deserve and you will be f*ed because you didn't fight for it. Stop thinking about just giving shit away. If we lose, we lose, at least we fought for it.

5/21/2009 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't we wait until January 2010 to file for arbitration?

The alderscum and their staffs will both get 6.2% raise and a 5% raise each in January 2010.

Then, the city cannot say that they don't have the $$$ to give us a raise if they are giving it to the alderscum and staffs each and every year!

5/21/2009 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Maybe the answer would have been to buy things you could afford at the time without doing OT instead of getting in over your head...

5/21/2009 12:22:00 PM"


Your entire post is a series of bullshit assertions, daley hack propaganda and entirely omits the relevant factors which are the cause of all of our city's financial woes, namely, the FUCKING THIEVING COCKSUCKERS, of which, I have no doubt, you are part and parcel of.

I always am pleased when SCC chooses to post the opinions of the daley pissheads, you, and they, are always so reliably full of shit and not at all shy about sharing your shit perspectives.

A heartfelt thanks for letting us all get a nose full of your stench.

How else can we know what the festering boils of humanity are really thinking?

5/21/2009 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So please people, the city has the Olympics in the bag. Hoping they "Don't get the Olympics" is delusional at best.

Box Chevy, you should know better.

5/21/2009 12:18:00 PM"


Somehow, an answer from the big D doesn't impress me.

And your comment impresses me even less.

5/21/2009 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Dream on

5/21/2009 11:53:00 AM"


I presume your comment is intended to discourage support of going to arbitration, at this time or ever.


There are also many other comments posted here displaying this wise position.


Who in his right mind would ever release his grip on the throat of a rabid dog, which would only give that dog another opportunity to bite the shit out of him?


Choke this mumbling motherless cocksucker unconscious and dump him in the pre-dug hole.


Fill in the hole, cover it with plywood and park a garbage truck on it.


Then celebrate.


Arbitration is surrender.


Only losers surrender.

5/21/2009 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Squeal Louder... said...

"...if you attended the last FOP meeting, and listened to Donahue..."

You protest a but much by presuming we were in attendance.

In addition. When did Donohue (given his track record) become a paragon of veracity... all of a sudden?

You should know better than to take ANYTHING he says at face value as he IS beholden to the mayor for his very existance. His silence (and apparent inaction) during these months of the mayoral media blitz to poison public sentiment toward the police is DEAFENING. If the devil has you in his embrace, you are duty bound to bite his nose off. Again, Daley is VULNERABLE and AFRAID. FOP has not done very much to press that advantage to the membership's benefit.

Besides, we wrote nothing about not getting the Olympics because of unresolved public safety contracts. The working word in our post was "jeopardy," meaning unwanted additional scrutiny or having to answer prickly questions.

Your rebuke of "should know better" rings hollow.

5/21/2009 06:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"1 percent 1 percent 1 percent and 3 percentand 3 percent.If you dont like quit.and rite more tickets slackers.The fop just SPIT in ur FACE,how does it fell cooter.

5/21/2009 11:49:00 AM"


Damn, Richie, your edumacation really paid off.

5/21/2009 06:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not pay for radio and tv time? We could have a spokesperson present our views and frustrations and demand that the citizens of Chicago call their alderman or state reps to help the cause. This will broaden the cause from just police officers to the citizens of Chicago.

5/21/2009 06:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"5/21/2009 09:48:00 AM"


The FOP 'leadership' didn't 'create' the march, they just 'got behind' it, when it was obvious it was going to happen.

The RANK & FILE created the march and should do so again.

Daley is TOTALLY responsible for the past two years, and the fact that the rank & file have unified far beyond the little prick's worst nightmares is why he's getting insanely desperate.

Fuck him.

In a fight to the death, no quarter is given, no matter how many hissy fits the midget wants to throw.

One more time: Fuck him.

5/21/2009 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Heard that WEISel will be run out of here before summer ends; Mauer may be returned in the interim to run the Dept. The Mayor knows he has to do something about the bad morale=no tows, no tickets, no revenue situation and soon.

5/21/2009 06:20:00 AM


NOT LIKELY!

Don't think Maurer would play nice with Shortshanks if he was obviously USING him as a tool to manipulate the troops.

Besides Daley refused to make Maurer Superintendent in the past because Shanks knows he can't control him.

I think if it DID happen, Daley would regret it on day one, even as an interim supt.

.

5/21/2009 06:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retro should be priority number one. Money talks and BS walks. If arbitration helps us get that, then let's go for it. Quit negotiating over health insurance that might be worthless as soon as "promised one" implements his next "great idea."

5/21/2009 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Richard M. Daley, no one else.

5/21/2009 06:02:00 AM"


You're encouraging giving up when we're winning?

What 'unit' do you represent?

(I suspect the unit between your thighs, both front and back)

5/21/2009 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous BK Kelly said...

Where my retro is?

5/21/2009 06:35:00 PM  
Anonymous A CYNIC said...

Anonymous said...
"... FOP could have gone to arbitration two years ago ..."

5/21/2009 07:34:00 AM


Sure, but then our negotiators would have missed out on all of those surf and turf dinners on our dime, and the cocktails and hookers provided by the mayor to encourage they're cooperation in the bargaining process.

Just kidding !

or not


;-)

5/21/2009 06:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

***OT***

http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/1584938,CST-NWS-deal21.article

Well, I guess it all makes sense now.

---not a cop

5/21/2009 07:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Call on the U.S. Attorney to investigate illegal use of CPD Pension Funds NOW, DONOHUE...

5/21/2009 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Insiders may cash in on meter deal
SUBCONTRACTORS | Ex-Daley aide, firm once owned by Ald. Solis' brother also got piece of Skyway

and the band played on.

5/21/2009 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would gladly give up retro for residency. Can residency be put on the table along with retro and our raises? If so maybe the arbitrator will take into consideration the cost of living here in the city. We lose on retro and take the 2% a year raise but we’re allowed to live outside of the city.

5/21/2009 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't ANYONE in our BALLSLESS newsmedia want to know why WIDDLE PATWICK DAWEY was uncermoniously discharged?

5/21/2009 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 simple words to address the situation I'M SICK JULY 2,3, AND 4TH.

5/21/2009 07:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daley, the No-good, lieing, greedy, corrupt, disrespectful little boy of a Mayor needs more for himself and his band of liars and thieves, so WE should sacrafice? I don't think so. Go for Arbitration NOW, Donohue and the FLOP don't do shit but cowtow anyway. AQnd lets get planning on picketing the TASTE of SHITCAGO.

5/21/2009 07:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Pension Watch said...

Anonymous said...

"... Look, Im well aware of benefits, and pension issues which is also something our fucking union shouldnt GIVE away...."

5/21/2009 08:34:00 AM


Doesn't FOP have a history of playing nice with Daley when it comes to our pension fund?

I seem to recall them letting the City off the hook for millions of our pension dollars that we just fucking outright lost and could not get back.

5/21/2009 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

city offered the schedule changes to "help morale" without having to give up anything, contract wise. I guess we will be getting the old 6-2 off schedule back.

The City offered the 10 hour day schedule because it benefits them. If you have a working day furlo (10Years) you LOSE 5 days off. Yes hour for hour you are the same but for the city, that means that for the people in my class 98-2 (about 50 people) if they all work the 10 hour day they will be up approx. 250 hours. I do work the 10 hour day and i love it. But the city most definitely benefits from it too.

5/21/2009 08:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Weis leaves, the airport can keep Maurer. He hasn't done crap there and he is another useless politician.

5/21/2009 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll vote for whatever they want if they can figure how to mount a gun rack on the horses.

5/21/2009 08:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is time we unify and act on on our own. March again on city hall with everyone holding signs like;
1. Where is the skyway money?
2. Where is the midway money?
3. Where is the meter lease money?
4. Mayor alderman got 6% pay increase who's sacrificing?
5. Mayor alderman 100,000 discretionary fund who's sacrificing?
6. Mayor Daley+alderman= organized crime
7. In Chicago you still have to pay to play
8. Why do we need fifty part-time alderman
9. Its our pension and we want an investigation
10.King Daley owns Chicago
11.Stop the Democratic Machine
12.No money to pay city workers, no Olympics!

You get the point..

5/21/2009 08:47:00 PM  
Blogger O. W. Wilson said...

Anonymous said...

lower the years for a pension
rumor is no pension for new hires
and 55 years old to retire for officers with less than 10 years

5/21/2009 12:55:00 PM


This one might be true. Donahue was careful with his words on Tuesday. He carefully explained that no one needed to worry about their pension, that everyone employed now was guaranteed the full pension as it exists.

Donahue went on to say they would continue to try to convince the city that the defined benefit plan was easier and cheaper to administer. And it is certainly easier to dip into for Daley's nephew and cronies.

This seems to hint that the city will at some not too future point cut pensions for new hires. That means there will someday be a full police department with none of them paying into our pension plan.

What are exempts going to do? Where can they stick their money grubbing fingers to steal a gold braid pension? What will Vanecko and Davis do for construction money and unearned profits?

I think Daley has another pension grab up his sleeve. He tried once and failed and Miriam Santos went to jail, I sure get the feeling he will try again. That is a $2.8 billion dollar windfall, more or less, for Daley if he can gain control of it.

Don't think it can't happen. The pension fund is controlled under state law. Who runs legislation in Springfield? See, it is very possible. Our pension is not safe, not safe at all. Laws or no laws, Mike Shields or not. If Daley makes the grab, I believe he might succeed.

All the more reason to dump him in 2011.

5/21/2009 09:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP along with newly appointed Jimmy "Ears" Bailey have to go. Can I tell my kids schools that I will pay them in 3 years because I haven't received a raise and all my bills are increasing including my taxes. Screw them.

5/21/2009 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go to arbitration and fight for the residency restriction to be raised. Daley would have a heart attack on the spot if that happened. Fuck the raise just being able to live outsided the city is a raise in itself.

5/21/2009 09:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) The idiot alderwhores want us to be ticketed but looke here!
Alderman wants car to have some clout
May 21, 2009 9:32 PM | No Comments | UPDATED STORY |
A Chicago alderman has introduced legislation to create "official placards" that the city's 50 aldermen could place on their vehicle dashboards, but she emphasized it wouldn't be to avoid parking tickets.

Ald. Lona Lane (18th) said Thursday the measure will be tweaked, but she said she would like some designation for vehicles used by aldermen. She said she would like it to allow her to park on permit-only streets while visiting block clubs.

Ald. Thomas Tunney (44th) recently suspended a contract employee for using a made-up placard to avoid paying at a meter spot.

--Staff report

5/21/2009 09:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC:
I just wanted to let you know that Ald. Sharon Dixon beat the DUI case today in traffic court. I'm a deputy in the Daley Center, and was there for the testimony. She couldn't have been anymore unbelievable. To be honest, if driving drunk wasn't so serious it would almost have been funny. I was very surprised with the ruling after the officers testimony. He did a very fine job. Between Ald. Dixon's ridiculous testimony and your officers testimony this ruling really disturbs me. M.A.D.D or some other anti-D.U.I. group should speak up on this.
-NP

5/21/2009 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What was I thinking?

On 1 tour (8 hours), "if" there are enough police to answer calls, each car "could probably" :

Impound a car = $625 +
Write multiple tickets = $75 + per


Might somebody inform the powers that be that a "motivated" police force can generate (though not our job exactly - but a side benefit to the city), oh, about $1000.00 per car per shift?

Yeah, I must be drinking the Kool Aid for thinking. After all...
Why would they want to motivate oh, 6,000 of us (About the number of us that work each day) to generate $6,000,000 a day for the City?

Yeah, what am I thinking??????????


Protect One Another

5/21/2009 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem is, its not money owed to us. In todays economy show me how many professions are getting raises, good luck with that... We are lucky we all still have jobs with little fear of lay offs and thats a fact. \
-----------------------

I hope to Jesus you are not a cop. In fact I know you are not. When the public makes a mistake, they correct it with Liquid Paper. When the police make a mistake, someone goes to a funeral. That's the differnece between the police and "many professions."

5/21/2009 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOU ARE ALL AWARE, OF COURSE, THAT McDONALDS AND COCA COLA THREATENED TO PULL THEIR SPONSORSHIP OF THE OLYMPICS IF CHICAGO WASN'T CHOSEN, DON'T YOU?

CHICAGO BASED COMPANIES DON'T YOU KNOW.

AFTER THIS BULLSHIT, THERE'S NO WAY THAT FUCKHEAD DALEY'S GONNA LOSE THE OLYMPICS.

5/21/2009 09:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, who gives a shit about the contract? It's the perks that matter! Take note: Our next FOP President -- Kenin Jans -- brought a crack addled shoe shine man to the FOP meeting!?!? Sergeant at Arms Ken Watts most bogusly kicked old Cracky out of the meeting hall and onto the sidewalk. Anyway, I got a nice spit shine thanks to Crazy Kevin Jans. If he brings a masseuse to the next general meeting, I might even vote for him. NOT!

5/21/2009 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Most of you on here no nothing about how this works. Just because we go to arbitration does not mean we will get what we want. The arbitrator could rule in the citys favor on everything. Then everyone on here will say how stupid the FOP was for going to arbitration. Most are blinded by the offer of a retro check and will give up anything to get one. We need to take the best offer overall. Look at the big picture not just some 5,000 retro check hanging in front of you that will be gone in a month anyway."

Hey stupid!

First, your opening line of "most of you NO nothing" is great, you KNOW what I mean? DUMBASS!

Second, arbitration is based on past contracts- they don't get creative. We always get a raise and retro and will again. Precedence- look it up.


Third, all retro is, is the difference between the rate you were paid 2 years ago and what you should of been paid. So in order for us to not get retro, we would need to take a 0% raise from the time the old contract expired until a new one is reached. RETRO IS NOT A BONUS!

Next, if we did give up retro flat out- why the fuck would the city EVER reach a contract agreement? Thats like saying "gee Mr Dipshit, as long as you agree to it, your Comed bill will go up or you can continue to pay what you pay now."

Last, "best offer over all"? There are no "offers". This is not a bidding war. The city offered 10% over 5 years- thats the offer, that's it! What the fuck do you want to mull over? Stop talking and using oxygen a smart person could of used.


So, my fine friend- you are one of the idiots who you tried to enlighten. Next time you are in a room full of people, try to spot the chump. If you can't- you're the chump! Case in point.

5/21/2009 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we go back to the 8 hour days we will just go back to making more Overtime. We win either way....

5/21/2009 10:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the FOP should keep letting the city drag their feet. Wait till the Olympic bid comes out or the economy improves. Then hit the city with arbitration.

5/21/2009 10:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC i"m surprised no Sgt's list on the blog yet, what's up with that!!

5/21/2009 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are these meeting with the city spread out so far apart. Why can't they meet at least once a week??? This is a joke...

5/21/2009 10:39:00 PM  
Blogger hog said...

Just a note to ease everyone's fears. The Illinois State Police just got a 16 % contract over four years.It was finalized a few months ago and included retro pay. They went to arbitration for an extra 2% for an unknown reason and was turned down due to economic situation of the State.The State cried the same game as the City, no money, no money!

5/21/2009 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

READ BELOW THIS IS WHERE YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING... TO CRIMINALS.
THESE PEOPLE WOULD RATHER SEE FELONS TRYING TO CURB VIOLENCE RATHER THEN HIRE MORE POLICE. THIS IS THE MENTALITY OF THE PEOPLE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

-- The group Ceasefire is calling on state officials to keep funding its efforts to battle gun violence despite the recession.
A crowd of Ceasefire supporters rallied outside the Thompson Center Thursday.
"We're here today because we're tired of being tired of losing our loved ones," said one speaker.
They were asking Illinois lawmakers to keep Ceasefire in this year's budget and to provide consistent funding in the future.

5/21/2009 10:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT, they will ticket a police vehicle but now the Aldermen want to have placards so they can park wherever.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-aldermanic-parkingmay22,0,5030545.story

5/21/2009 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/21/2009 12:27:00 PM

You are an idiot... and a paranoid one at that !

5/21/2009 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

funny. the other ''contracts'' were not based on an up or down economy. we were given little raises and less medical coverage. fund the pension? why ? so nimrod jr can buy some beachfront property in somalia or condos in chernobyl?

5/21/2009 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mayor Jag Bag just jerks us around with no reason to worry about what we are capable of.....

If idiot Donahue can possibly muster up any balls, hardly likely, he should schedule another picketing of city hall on 30 June 09. Only this time make Mayor Jag Off aware of the troops being restless, and can't be controled any longer....Then, the knock out punch...We're sick, 3, 4, and 5 July, and there isn't a fucking thing he can do to stop it. Let that marinade in his bulbos head.

5/21/2009 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we get screwed no matter how this plays out. Not only do we have to work in one of the worst cities, but we are forced to live here as well and it just so happens that chicago is in one of the worst counties and the state of Illinois is a joke. All the problems can be solved if they decided to put a casino in the city limits, maybe in the new trump tower or maybe in the old mccormick place. Also, the mayor wants to wait until october to find out if chicago lands the olympic bid and I am little scared that there is a good chance that may occur, Obama is their Ace Card. I will forgo my Retro if they lift the Residency requirment, so I can raise my family in a nice community where I can actually use the parks and schools and not have to worry about B/S. Either way I am activly looking at other police depts for lateral transfers, and in doing so I have been made aware of other depts pay and benefits and they put us to shame.

5/21/2009 11:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, I don't get this. Obama gave all the unions what they wanted. Chrysler, GM. Teachers, Why not FOP. I think we all know the answer to that. If the people of this country don't wake up soon it will not matter. The FOP and all police as we know it will be history. Contracts and raises are nice but there are a whole lot of things at stake here. Look around people, look around.

5/21/2009 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OF TOPIC: FOR THE OFFICERS, FIREMAN AND RESIDENTS OF MOUNTGREENWOOD BE ON NOTICE THAT SHITHEADS ARE RENTING TWO HOUSES AT 10819 AND 10822 S. WHIPPLE. THEY CAME FROM ENGELWOOD AND ARE NOW THREATENING RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, SO MUCH THAT THERE WERE ARRESTS ON BOTH TUE AND WED INVOLVING THESE SCUM BAGS. I DON'T NOW WHO RENTS OUT THESE HOUSES BUT RUMER HAS IT IT'S A FIREMAN(HOPE NOT)

It's CFD from SJF who owns the houses...4 Arrests made probably within 12 hours...Real Dogs...Pull up their sheets....Threatning to take over the block, and light the block up in retallition...Fought w/the Police
Thanks 022 for grabbing them....Off Duty PO's PLEASE Be Careful....By All Means Protect your Family.....I too live nearby, and will "Stand Watch"

This Fireman needs a "Talkin' To"

5/21/2009 11:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question for the Coppers who want residency lifted. Who is going to buy your house? On my block alone I count 11 Police/Fire households. That is a lot of inventory even in a hot market. Plus, even if you can sell said house it will be for 75-100k less than today. The burbs are not the paradise you seem to think it will be. I have no love of living in the city, but I don't think leaving is worth the hit on property value. A nice compromise, lift residency at 20 years

5/21/2009 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOU ARE ALL AWARE, OF COURSE, THAT McDONALDS AND COCA COLA THREATENED TO PULL THEIR SPONSORSHIP OF THE OLYMPICS IF CHICAGO WASN'T CHOSEN, DON'T YOU?

CHICAGO BASED COMPANIES DON'T YOU KNOW.

5/21/2009 09:50:00 PM

No, I don't know. But I do know that Coca Cola is an Atlanta based company. What planet are you from?

5/22/2009 12:00:00 AM  
Anonymous HATER said...

IF R CONTRACT ISNT SETTLED BY THE OLYMPIC CUT OFF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?

R PENSION ACCOUNT IS GOING TO TAKE A HIT FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

REMEMBER SHORTSHANKS NEPHEW VANECKO HAS R CASH INVESTED IN VACANT LAND NEAR WASHINGTON PARK!!!

OLYMPIC VILLAGE WILL NOT BE CREATED NO MORE STIMULOUS CASH FROM OBAMA. (HE STILL HASNT PAID FOR HIS VICTORY PARTY)

BUT NEPHEW ALREADY HAS HIS CASH...

KEEP AN EYE ON THAT PENSION BOARD... THE RETIREES NEED TO TAKE MORE CARE IN WHO THEY ELECT.
THE SGT AND LT'S NEED TO QUIT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT SPOT THEY R GOING TO WORK IN AND PUT VIABLE LEADER ON THE PENSION BOARD.

5/22/2009 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you dont like quit.and rite more tickets slackers.The fop just SPIT in ur FACE,how does it fell cooter."
____________________________________

Surely you aren't suggesting that Cooter should write tickets? I don't think any of us would want to live in a world where that happens.

5/22/2009 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Case in point.

5/21/2009 10:07:00 PM"


You just post a bitch rag rant to be posting a bitch rag rant.


"Precedence- look it up."

okay.....


Precedence
One entry found.

Main Entry:
pre·ce·dence

Pronunciation:
\ˈpre-sə-dən(t)s, pri-ˈsē-dən(t)s\

Function:
noun

Date:
1588

1. a) obsolete: antecedent
b) the fact of preceding in time

2. a) the right to superior honor on a ceremonial or formal occasion
b) the order of ceremonial or formal preference
c) priority of importance, as in: "your safety takes precedence"



Now, the word you may have meant to use was:


Main Entry:
prec·e·dent

Pronunciation:
\ˈpre-sə-dənt\

Function:
noun

Date:
15th century

1: an earlier occurrence of something similar

2 a) something done or said that may serve as an example or rule to authorize or justify a subsequent act of the same or an analogous kind, as in: "a verdict that had no precedent"
b) the convention established by such a precedent or by long practice

3: a person or thing that serves as a model



Also, the arbitrator is not locked into absolutely every aspect of the previous, and now 2 years expired, contract.

If you want to bet your balls that the arbitrator is, then get ready to sing soprano.


Further, you say:

"Third, all retro is, is the difference between the rate you were paid 2 years ago and what you should of been paid. So in order for us to not get retro, we would need to take a 0% raise from the time the old contract expired until a new one is reached. RETRO IS NOT A BONUS!"


Who said it was a bonus?

And your 'should have been paid' is, as you so clumsily state, totally dependent upon the terms of the 'new' contract covering the period between the expiration of the previous contract and the implementation of the not yet agreed upon new contract.

Also, as the quoted by you commenter stated, there is no inherent advantage to arbitrate, regardless of how impatient some are to give up the fight and tell themselves we've won.

We only win when the 'city' signs a contract heavily weighted to our advantage, not likely if we vote to go to arbitration.


Since you're such an incompetent commenter, it's not clear whether you support going to arbitration, thus effectively surrendering our fate to a single human being's opinion of what is 'fair', precedent notwithstanding, or if you support continuing to stand firm, by putting a counter offer on the table, one weighted heavily with everything we want and, by definition, many things the 'city' doesn't want.

Because, contrary to your opinion, negotiations are a bidding war, even when the city's side has taken the position of offering it's 'best and final' offer.

One thing you either don't know, or chose not to say, is that we don't have to choose arbitration, we only have to stand firm and, should the city not blink, arbitration will be imposed upon both parties, via the impasse clause of federal labor law.

FOP should place a counter offer on the table, one packed full of the rank and file's fondest wishes, since, considering the city's irrational position, an impasse is likely unavoidable anyway.

Unless, of course, daley has that grabber we've been waiting for.

Maybe then, saner minds will prevail.

5/22/2009 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No retro then I am moving outside the city... I will take my chances fuck this place I have a relative in the city I will have my mail sent to... in case of medical, I will be at his place I am too smart to get jammed up I will be an "ad exec that works downtown" see ya city fuck you

5/22/2009 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Go to arbitration and fight for the residency restriction to be raised. Daley would have a heart attack on the spot if that happened. Fuck the raise just being able to live outsided the city is a raise in itself.

5/21/2009 09:34:00 PM"


You've never sat in on an arbitration, have you?

There is no fighting, only the faint opportunity to persuade the arbitrator.

Fighting is reserved to negotiations, which are summarily ended by arbitration.

Once locked into arbitration, all the picketing in the world, all the public opinion, all the press, both 'good' or 'bad', all of the tools available to the employees, don't mean shit.

Arbitration only works for the employees when the previous contract was woefully skewed in the employer's favor and the comparables and the relevant economic conditions are in stark contrast to the previously skewed contract.

Employees don't commonly win gains via arbitration, only via strong negotiations.

And a union's strong negotiations require strength of it's membership, not merely strength in it's leadership.

Union Negotiations 101.

5/22/2009 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
YOU ARE ALL AWARE, OF COURSE, THAT McDONALDS AND COCA COLA THREATENED TO PULL THEIR SPONSORSHIP OF THE OLYMPICS IF CHICAGO WASN'T CHOSEN, DON'T YOU?

CHICAGO BASED COMPANIES DON'T YOU KNOW.

AFTER THIS BULLSHIT, THERE'S NO WAY THAT FUCKHEAD DALEY'S GONNA LOSE THE OLYMPICS.

5/21/2009 09:50:00 PM

Hey smart guy, Coca-Cola is an Atlanta based corporation. Yes, Atlanta, as in Georgia, which is 700 miles away from Chicago.

5/22/2009 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

with no retro or pay raise for the first 2 1/2 years. The city wants the money from that first 2 1/2 years to fund the pension up to date.
---


Fuck that! So WE have to pay TWICE for a pension that is being STOLEN from us by HIS nephew??!!
No dice.

----------
I AGREE! SORRY I'M NOT PAYING INTO THE POCKETS OF THE DALEY SCUM!

5/22/2009 12:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC:
I just wanted to let you know that Ald. Sharon Dixon beat the DUI case today in traffic court. I'm a deputy in the Daley Center, and was there for the testimony. She couldn't have been anymore unbelievable. To be honest, if driving drunk wasn't so serious it would almost have been funny. I was very surprised with the ruling after the officers testimony. He did a very fine job. Between Ald. Dixon's ridiculous testimony and your officers testimony this ruling really disturbs me. M.A.D.D or some other anti-D.U.I. group should speak up on this.
-NP

5/21/2009 09:39:00 PM

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, wasn't that the one where she ignored police and drove through a fire department scene, over hoses and stuff?

Wouldn't this dismissal have made a nice splash on the TV news tonight. Instead you get coverage of parties for the IOC and "190 North" gushing about the latest trendy restaurant...

I did enjoy Patty Blagojevich tonight, though, bravely pronouncing that "hard economic times have made it necessary for her to go to work and support her family."

*

I thought that her husband getting thrown out of office as governor of the state might have had something to do with it...what's wrong, Patty? Real estate speculation not what it used to be, so have to go sell yourself to a "reality show?"

The lawyers will take that money in an eyeblink and be back for more, and Rod's still going to end up cleaning prison toilets. I love it.

How come you guys didn't try to make a few bucks at the garage sales this Sunday? Hell, I never noticed Jan S. to be shy about this. Beautiful day. Whole neighborhood was out peddling their stained old hats, mismatched dishes, and broken cell phones. Went by the Blago place, nothin' shaking, not even a lemonade stand...

5/22/2009 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have a question for the Coppers who want residency lifted. Who is going to buy your house? On my block alone I count 11 Police/Fire households. That is a lot of inventory even in a hot market..."

--5/21/2009 11:46:00 PM

Man. The departure of the good-paying manufacturing jobs that paid for so many houses didn't leave a very stable situation, did it? Section 8/no-money-down loans in bad areas, and the good areas held together by city workers, or yuppies dependent on shaky IT, banking, or insurance jobs -- or on real estate, God help them.

The core is gone.

5/22/2009 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On 1 tour (8 hours), "if" there are enough police to answer calls, each car "could probably" :

Impound a car = $625 +
Write multiple tickets = $75 + per

Might somebody inform the powers that be that a "motivated" police force can generate (though not our job exactly - but a side benefit to the city), oh, about $1000.00 per car per shift?

--5/21/2009 09:42:00 PM

...and have a better place to live just from hauling in boom cars to get all dented and stolen from and fucked up in the storage lots. Don't know where the seats went...

In ancient Rome, "causing a disturbance in the city by night" was punishable by death.

I think they were onto something.

Instead, we live in a city that tickets its own police cars.

MAYOR DALEY IS CLINICALLY INSANE

5/22/2009 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Arbitrator can not rule on residency until the state law is overturned.

2. The original wage offer is the baseline that the arbitrator will start from. The City cannot use regressive negotiating. There are guidelines for interest arbitration. The labor lawyer who spoke at the last unit reps meeting stated that their research has shown that of the last 400 cities that stated that they could not afford a raise only two (2) prevailed, and those two cities went into receivership. My partner is the unit rep.

Daley will use arbitration to stall. But in the end he will not let an arbitrator rule on selling back 200 hours per year like the supervisors. He will not let an arbitrator rule on the $3000.00 stipend either. Daley has more to lose than we do this time around.

Right now Daley is taking in the moon over the meters. I have not written a parker since the contract expired. Heard yesterday that the department took the recruits out of the academy to write parkers even thou their training is not done. The recruits ran into a lot of hostility. Today I did write a few parkers on meters while on foot patrol (something else that I have not done for years) and was very polite to the people who were screaming at me. I just let them know that the mayor wants more work to be done. I just plan on doing it for a couple of weeks but I know that the people today were calling the ward office. Food for thought. The people can move the mayor. Who would have ever thought that he would admit a mistake (the meter contract). And that is only because of the public outcry. I just plan on making them cry a little. I guess that I will be told to stop writing tickets in boy’s town and I just move over to yuppieville

5/22/2009 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why not pay for radio and tv time? We could have a spokesperson present our views and frustrations and demand that the citizens of Chicago call their alderman or state reps to help the cause. This will broaden the cause from just police officers to the citizens of Chicago.

5/21/2009 06:18:00 PM

GREAT IDEA numb nutz. I'm sure all the newly unemployed would just feel soooo bad for us "underpaid" police while eatting thier mac & cheese watching the news at dinner. What the fuck is wrong with you whiney bitch ass police that write on this blog?
We are in the worst economic time of our lifetime and all you people do is bitch about not getting your $$$?
Shit, we got some greedy ass punks working for this department!
Don't get me wrong, I would love to get a raise. Hell, even the 2% x5 years would be great but face it, it isn't gonna happen.
Take a look around the city, even the burbs; notice all the vacant businesses? Check out the retail world, those people are getting laid off like crazy. Lets not even start on the housing market... show me 1 block without at least 1 house for sale and you would be lucky.
What makes any of you think we are better than any of the other citizens of this city? We do a job that almost any able bodies person could, no special training needed.
This is the wrong time to bitch and moan about money owed because quite frankly, the public will not be sympathitic to our greed.
Like a previous post hit on, maybe living within your means would not have so many of you looking like such jag-offs bitching and moaning.
If you are one of these morons bitching I suggest take a look in the mirror and really think, maybe all the bills you are paying is for unnecessary stuff you don't need and the only person at fault for your hard times is you.

5/22/2009 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OF TOPIC: FOR THE OFFICERS, FIREMAN AND RESIDENTS OF MOUNTGREENWOOD BE ON NOTICE THAT SHITHEADS ARE RENTING TWO HOUSES AT 10819 AND 10822 S. WHIPPLE. THEY CAME FROM ENGELWOOD AND ARE NOW THREATENING RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA, SO MUCH THAT THERE WERE ARRESTS ON BOTH TUE AND WED INVOLVING THESE SCUM BAGS. I DON'T NOW WHO RENTS OUT THESE HOUSES BUT RUMER HAS IT IT'S A FIREMAN(HOPE NOT)

There must be a Section 8 phone nuber to lodge complaints besides 911.

5/22/2009 02:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
YOU ARE ALL AWARE, OF COURSE, THAT McDONALDS AND COCA COLA THREATENED TO PULL THEIR SPONSORSHIP OF THE OLYMPICS IF CHICAGO WASN'T CHOSEN, DON'T YOU?

CHICAGO BASED COMPANIES DON'T YOU KNOW.

AFTER THIS BULLSHIT, THERE'S NO WAY THAT FUCKHEAD DALEY'S GONNA LOSE THE OLYMPICS.

5/21/2009 09:50:00 PM

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Coca Cola is based out of Atlanta. Trust me, they have plenty of financial troubles. I doubt that there is much of a financial sponsorship coming from them these days.

5/22/2009 03:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

5/21/2009 12:27:00 PM

You are an idiot... and a paranoid one at that !

5/21/2009 10:54:00 PM


Does that mean they are not out to get me?

5/22/2009 05:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question for the Coppers who want residency lifted. Who is going to buy your house? On my block alone I count 11 Police/Fire households. That is a lot of inventory even in a hot market. Plus, even if you can sell said house it will be for 75-100k less than today. The burbs are not the paradise you seem to think it will be. I have no love of living in the city, but I don't think leaving is worth the hit on property value. A nice compromise, lift residency at 20 years

5/21/2009 11:46:00 PM
Looks like they got that problem solved in Mt Greenwood

5/22/2009 05:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

(OT) The idiot alderwhores want us to be ticketed but looke here!
Alderman wants car to have some clout
May 21, 2009 9:32 PM | No Comments | UPDATED STORY |
A Chicago alderman has introduced legislation to create "official placards" that the city's 50 aldermen could place on their vehicle dashboards, but she emphasized it wouldn't be to avoid parking tickets.

Ald. Lona Lane (18th) said Thursday the measure will be tweaked, but she said she would like some designation for vehicles used by aldermen. She said she would like it to allow her to park on permit-only streets while visiting block clubs.

Ald. Thomas Tunney (44th) recently suspended a contract employee for using a made-up placard to avoid paying at a meter spot.

--Staff report

5/21/2009 09:38:00 PM


Tunney "suspended" an old guy, a holdover from the John Merlo days who was paid $10 an hour as a courtesy to Bernie Hansen. The guy was over 80! Yeah he was "suspended." Nice swift action there Alderman Tunney. Why did he have that dead weight cluttering up the office in he first place?

Tunney got his job only because the boys downtown knew he would do as he was told. He was told to keep Zodak Yonan employed and he did. You don't think Tunney got that spot because of his independent forward thinking? Tunney got some guy appointed to a good paying city job and then the guy gets high on crystal meth and murders a car driver, with the guy's own cab! And Tunney tried to defend the guy who did the murder! The cab driver was run over three times! Tunney calls men who get arrested having pubic sex "victims" after they get arrested for lewd behavior/public indecency. Tunney got an officer dumped fromt he tact team who arrested lots of gay crystal meth users.

Tunney got the job the old fashioned way, after Bernie Hansen retired mid-term, to spend more time with his family, Daley got to appoint his replacement: Tunney. Tunney delivers gay and liberal votes and does what the 5th floor wants.

The next independent free thinking move Tunney makes will be his first.

Anyone in 019/023 know if Zodak Yonan is still "suspended" or has he been punished enough and allowed to come back to the ward office? When asked what Zodak did, John Kass correctly wrote: "He drove around and checked on things."

That seems accurate.

Come to think of it, I do a lot of that lately myself, drive around and check on things. But then they didn't have to close a traffic court room or tier at CCJ because I have a hard time finding movers, parkers and arrests.

5/22/2009 05:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rumors,rumors!

5/22/2009 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the public (I know ur gonna say "fuck the public") we look nothing more than greedy assholes, wanting more money to do a job a trained monkey could probably accomplish.
Maybe the answer would have been to buy things you could afford at the time without doing OT instead of getting in over your head...

5/21/2009 12:22:00 PM

Myabe a trained monkey could do the job you do, but don't insult the rest of us. I have been shot at, wrestled an armed offender for his gun on more than one occasion, pulled families out of burning homes and stood my ground in riots with my fellow Officers. I'll be the first to tell you I'm just an average cop. There are some guys/girls that have done amazing things, true heroes! I won't bother reminding you of the Officers that have given their lives for the citizens of Chicago, maybe their kids will chime in on that.

Don't you dare downplay what WE do on a daily basis. I smell a Mayor's guy here.

5/22/2009 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from jesse:"we must open da books,to find da crooks"

5/22/2009 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thankgod for my shotgun,bitches.cityworker.

5/22/2009 08:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question for the Coppers who want residency lifted. Who is going to buy your house?

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No problema if you live in mommy and daddy's apartment for free. A nice compromise: lift residency for all coppers who currently live in apartments.

5/22/2009 08:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

COCA COLA THREATENED TO PULL THEIR SPONSORSHIP OF THE OLYMPICS IF CHICAGO WASN'T CHOSEN...

CHICAGO BASED COMPANIES DON'T YOU KNOW.


5/21/2009 09:50:00 PM


Isn't Coca Cola out of Atlanta?

5/22/2009 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous RUMER HAS IT said...

If you can't sell yer house, do a CFD style Section 8. A jolly way to say "God Bless" to the old neighborhood. Did the hose handler who did the conversion ever live there? Gonna see A LOT more of this in Mt. Greenshit.

Semper Fi

5/22/2009 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surely you aren't suggesting that Cooter should write tickets? I don't think any of us would want to live in a world where that happens.


Cooter hasnt done shit in years hes retired in 001 now.

5/22/2009 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city should be budgeted for the eventual settlement of the CPD contract from the point of expiration and going forward to eventual settlement. This means the money owed to you is or should be in the city budget already. I would not give up retro. Also, keep in mind the economy was already slowing when Daley handed out those raises to the alderman and other city employees. This city cannot function without certain people and services, the police being one of them. If he has to let some of his political hacks go to pay the police, so be it. They earn big bucks and do little to earn it(Patronage payments for election services rendered. We can't afford it or Daley anymore). He likes to cry poor but always has money hidden for his pet projects and for "friend and family" contracts. I would take my chances with arbitration.
Funds from the sale of various city assets should be used to shore up shortfalls in the pension funds and such. FOP should also push for the city to fully fund your pension. You pay your share every payday and the city should honor its employer/employee contract to you by paying their share. Your retro should not be given up so the city can pay its part of what they owe your pension with your money. That's like you making extra payments into your pension fund and forgiving the city their obligation to do so. Don't be silly.
As for residency, what good would this do for those who own a home already? There is an over abundance of housing stock on the market already. Who is going to buy your home? Are you willing to give up equity of $50,000 to $100000 on the sale of your home? Not a wise financial decision at this time. A previous poster's idea regarding lifting the residency restriction after 20(or some other number of)years sounds like an idea worth considering. The burbs have changed a lot and have high taxes too. Their schools are not necessarily better. You pay for private tuition(if you don't have a good public school where you live) or you pay higher taxes? Depending on where you go, its probably a wash when it comes to the cost. Believe me, there are a lot of things I hate about this city, and will be leaving it when retirement rolls around. My kids attended public school and received a decent education. While everything wasn't perfect, nothing in any school(or life in general)is perfect anyway. They earned good grades and were accepted into top 10 private and public universities. The grass always looks greener in the burbs until you get there and see all the weeds. Be careful and be sure about what you are willing to give up. Once you give it up you can't get it back.

5/22/2009 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets see:
California almost bankrupt
Chrysler bk
GM going bk
Great Britain is losing it TRIPLE A rating on its bonds- like a 3rd world country
Talk of the good old USA possibly losing TRIPLE A- will be on par with some higher 3rd world countries.
Real unemployment close to 15 %
And an arbitrator is going to give the union whatever it desires: like retro, more days off, etc--

Dream on

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Oh Come on .... channel 7 news says the worst is over

.... the swine flu outbreak is over ... and


chocolate is good for you ...

5/22/2009 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can ANOV the owner of the house.

5/22/2009 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear the Meritourious Sergeants include the Superintendent's driver. Any confirmation on this obvious abuse of power by this asshole of a man?

5/22/2009 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Like a previous post hit on, maybe living within your means would not have so many of you looking like such jag-offs bitching and moaning.
If you are one of these morons bitching I suggest take a look in the mirror and really think, maybe all the bills you are paying is for unnecessary stuff you don't need and the only person at fault for your hard times is you.

5/22/2009 01:50:00 AM"


You mean your previous post, hack boy?

You mean the post where you fail to mention the 'rainy day fund', overflowing with billions of our taxpayer dollars, the incredibly fraudulent misuses of TIF monies, the outrageously incompetent mismanagements of practically every city and county department, the actual war that the midget mayor has been waging on both the taxpaying citizens of our city and the many hard working city employees just trying to do an honest day's worth of their own work while having to carry the load of the numerous daley machine's hack slackers, many literally stealing far more via their unearned paychecks than those who actually work their asses off could ever hope to make, not to mention the fucking bloated sweetheart contracting schemes bleeding every last taxpayer dry?


It looks like your home doesn't have any mirrors in it.

5/22/2009 12:23:00 PM  

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