Cut Gold Star Staffs
In accordance with the below listed rumor, we thought we'd offer J-Fed a lifeline to actually making lasting change of a good sort, not the bad and evil he's been perpetrating:
- Eliminate the District Manager spots. Too many are unfilled and all are useless. Tell the Desk Sergeant to call the engineer if they need something. Why the extra layer?
- Cap all office staffs at four people.
Yes, we are aware the Commanders have only two spots on paper - the secretary and the assistant secretary. But if you do a quick head count of any District front office, we'll bet the average is about seven bodies. Ticket clerks, CR clerks, statisticians, etc, etc. It's all BS. Secretary, Assistant Secretary, Go-fer and Timekeeper. If it can't be handled by four people, it isn't important enough to worry about and it would create a push to automate things. It would also reduce the amount of nonsense coming out of HQ by eliminating those who just create work to keep spots.
There, we just saved the Department about $10 million in 60 seconds and reallocated a few hundred officers to the street. Where's our ribbon?
There, we just saved the Department about $10 million in 60 seconds and reallocated a few hundred officers to the street. Where's our ribbon?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:16 AM
56 Comments:
Four people? There is no reason to have a sworn police officers working administrative duties inside a station. Police officers should be on the street. A captain commands the watch with a sergeant and his civilian-aid staff at the front desk. Another sergeant and his civilian-aid staff as community liaisons. All other positions should be manned by civilians, and those civilians should be supervised by a District Manager.
sinecure:nounan office or position that requires little or no work which provides a generous income. Sinecures provide a potent tool for government distribution of patronage.
Used in a sentence:
Generally, the City of Chicago and specifically, the Chicago Police Department waste millions of taxpayer dollars paying sinecures.
What and eliminate their four hour shifts. You gotta be kidding me. I'm up next for that inside gig!
EVERYONE!!!!!!!!
Make sure you fill out the survey and tell them how you feel!!!!
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Daley's cousin worked as the district manager in 013 District. Jan Pestka was the 13th District Commander.Hey,its just a patronage spot and take care of the blood relations.
Q: Why are there two citation clerks when one is on that “come in late go home early” schedule? As to ‘personnel in the front office’ the District Manager doesn’t even call the engineer she will only give you the number to his office! And her only response to a problem is “did you call 5-5500?” [ everyone knows who that is] She won’t even follow up on a problem ticket that was called in for her. WTF getting rid of the District Managers across the city would save $2 million a year. Who did their work before they ‘created’ these the spot, have them do it again? Lets add to the list of special employees in the front office --Crossing Guard Supervisor. REALLY?
What about the ‘review team’? With the online case reporting what do they really do in their 6 hour day? There is so much waste in this department even a ‘Fed’ could find it! or maybe not.
P.S. yes this is just bitching, to see these people day after day doing little or nothing while your told to do extra it does tend to get under you skin after awhile. . . 35th street can hand out all the BS to make it sound like they are trying to change things but look around what have they [Jody] really done re: manpower and the miss use of it. But I still believe! And I am waiting for the Change. [sorry that the other guys BS]
Staff...cut the CAPS office in 009. 13 p/o's + one or two sergeants strong. Never have I ever seen so much waste if one district.
How about canning the useless civilian C.A.P.S. "liason" position? And while you're at it, all C.A.P.S positions. Also useless. Regarding administrative staff, we have:
district secretary
assistant district secretary
go-for officer
activity officer
citation officer
computer officer
?????? officer
None of which are assigned to details occurring Mon. thru Friday per our DC.
The excess waste in offices is a disgrace. Units with several secretaries(full duty females) for one exempt. Units with hidden secretaries that are not on the assignment sheet. Of course the AA's show them working on the street. For every civilian laid off, a full duty officer is moved. A huge shell game. Visit any district or unit and look at the secretaries. How many sworn are working in a position designed for a civilian?
You've hit the nail on the head. Eliminate the stream of BS paper that is generated by downtown. That's the real culprit in this mess. 23 years ago, there were three people in the Commander's office, plus two review people, a timekeeper, citation clerk, and activity clerk. That's 8. Today? 12
Hell, we would be okay in the 5th District if there was only 7 bodies in the front office!!
Talk about a waste of manpower, or in this case, extra long fingernail girl power.
But you got to have spots for the dollies, don't you?
Amen to getting rid of District Managers. Worthless, do-nothing, connected civilians.
Sounds like some of our upper-echelon, too, doesn't it?
I keep hearing how many officers are sitting in call back with thumbs up their butts. Why not send them to work in the front offices of districts and send the females on the street.
I never understood why police departments have so many sworn employees doing things that are not really police work.
It does not require a gun and a badge to file stuff. or to be a door guard.
In 023 we now have civilian citation clerks along with sworn officers. We also have civilian review officers along with sworn officers. The P.O.'s were supposed to "TRAIN" their civilian counterparts and then go back on the streets. Well since the civilians have been there, 6 months, the P.O.'s are still inside. Same old story. Don't even ask about the front office, it's worse!
"nonsense coming out of HQ by eliminating those who just create work to keep spots"
SCC, i have to steal your quote.
it describes most management in Streets & San. at least 90%
PLEASE mayor Daley, quit laying off workers!!! middle and upper management is killing the tax payers.
Mr Superintendent, dump all commanders that have more than 4 police officers working office jobs, they are falsifying records
get rid of crossing guard supervisor , district manager , tactical secretary
put lieutenants in charge of the watch it worked great in the 90's
put captains in charge of districts , most commanders are lieutenants that were double promoted clout , clout ,merit
that would also save the pension
no more gold braid
close 3 or 4 districts you can do it , you have a 3 year contract
go for it and do the right thing for the working officer
the area deputy chief should be gone if he allows district commanders have to many officers assigned to the office staff
that would solve the problem
start at the top with discipline'not at the bottom
Try cutting the amount of CAPS officers in each district that walk around doing nothing all day. They overstaff their offices just in case the day comes where there actually is work to do nobody will be too overworked. In 019 they have a Lt. who's sole duty is to be in charge of issuing lockers. How much is the city paying him to do nothing all day? How come you don't rid the Department of bullshit like this?
Anonymous said...
Four people? There is no reason to have a sworn police officers working administrative duties inside a station. Police officers should be on the street. A captain commands the watch with a sergeant and his civilian-aid staff at the front desk. Another sergeant and his civilian-aid staff as community liaisons. All other positions should be manned by civilians, and those civilians should be supervised by a District Manager.
5/15/2009 12:38:00 AM
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Hey fucking genius that's what they did to the 911 center. Look how fucked up that place is now. Those fucking idiots tell battery victim's to go to the nearest police station to make out a police report when the offender is still on the scene just so they won't have to dispatch a car.
I love the logic in 002nd District: 2 police officers (full duty) each spend the tour "guarding 2 side entrances"....how much would a card reader cost? Two cops each making about 60,000 plus...could be working the street...and I love the girl who brings her boxes of beads and make bracelets & chains & trinkets for a full tour...60,000 plus to sit and make jewelry......NICE! Instead of putting 2 more cops on the street...Atleast put someone who maybe light duty on this detail, NOT full duty cops...also, what happened to all those medical abusers who were going to be dealt with?
12:51 AM
Jealous?
So I get a nice paycheck twice a month for staying out of harm's way and doing absolutely nothing. SINECURISM is a integral part of Mayor Daley's patronage administration.
We need more sinecures. Raise taxes. It's "da Chicago Way"! Don't you dare say "cut the fat". You could jeopardize my livelihood.
Got to go now. I'm going shopping and get a manicure. Maybe even a pedicure. Why not?
God bless Mayor Daley!
Anonymous said...
Staff...cut the CAPS office in 009. 13 p/o's + one or two sergeants strong. Never have I ever seen so much waste if one district.
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019 will see your thirteen police officers and two sergeants and raise you one lieutenant. We win.
All the female officers in the 4th District front office that Carter brought from other districts should be shaking in their boots. I wonder will the commanders secretary also lose her parking spot?????
There you go SCC. Trying to use common sense. You know that'll never go anywhere. If we applied common sense we'd call a halt to these stupid missions everyday, stop buying Tahoes that need 2 cages and 2 lightbars thereby making them more expensive than a sedan, cut the office staff like you suggest, eliminate or reduce the specialized units and beef up district patrol, strat doing "real" police work again, not this touchy-feely shit, and .... wait, common sense. I'm starting to think like you. And you know that's going nowhere.
From today's Tribune, Section 1, p.6.
"We've done everything here (in Chicago). We're leading the way (by example) with our inspector general, office of compliance, all the things we've done. We're more transparent than any other government. Look at it." (underscore added) - Mayor Richard M. Daley
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Don't let a shamelessly corrupt, lying cocksucker cause you to vomit on your keyboards, folks.
start with 017, two sergeants in the caps office, an officer that is the liasion to the alderman an assistant to the commanders secretary, the list goes on and on. and i agree the district managers are useless, hell the district commanders are useless. let each captain answer for his or her own watch, why do we need a commander, just so they can get facts and stats from the captains and go to a meeting. citizens need to know district managers are responsible for the maintenence of the station, at an average of 75,000 a year. i say let the watches be responsible for the things that need fixing and eliminate the managers now.
How about we save Millions $'s on paper. Why are we still doing humpers and mission sheets when it's all in the computer.
I could find enough useless paper in my district to have fire materials for a 3rd world country.
Anonymous said...
Four people? There is no reason to have a sworn police officers working administrative duties inside a station. Police officers should be on the street. A captain commands the watch with a sergeant and his civilian-aid staff at the front desk. Another sergeant and his civilian-aid staff as community liaisons. All other positions should be manned by civilians, and those civilians should be supervised by a District Manager.
5/15/2009 12:38:00 AM
The w/c needs all those people see he/she can go duck after a "3 hour tour"!
To the know it all at 1238a.m., first post, civilians are not trained to handle case reporting and the desk crew do alot of case reports (at least in busy districts), along with the traffic accidents that are routinely sent in if they are driveable (by 311 and 911 alike). Furthermore, there you go again, giving up something (desk BID spots) that are part of our contract. I did 20 years on the street (all in busy districts) before bidding to a desk spot, by SENIORITY. Some day you will get to that position, until then do your job and quit worrying about the desk people. I do agree with you about the "front office" personnel. I had more time ON THE STREET than some of the whole front office people combined.
"When you initially log-in to the survey, you will be asked to provide your PC login number. PC login numbers are collected to link demographic data (e.g.: years on the job) and unit of assignment/detail to survey responses.
However, the data UIC will provide to the Department will NOT include your PC login number and will NOT allow the Department to identify whether you participated in the survey or to link survey responses specifically to you.
5/15/2009 01:04:00 AM"
If you believe this, you are truly too fucking stupid to carry.
Dist. Mgrs. job was created to eliminate the job of Dist. Secretary.
The C/O's didn't like the fact that they did not have a chosen spot so the secretary and the mgr both stayed.
ELIMINATE THE DIST. MGRS.
They are all useless. That would be a 2 million dollar savings, they do make 80k.
16 has 10 pos 1 dist manager 1 crossing guard guy and 1 civilian.
If the department was really interested in cutting office staff, they would stop mandating that certain statistical reports are kept and tracked byeach district commander.
There are so many different programs in effect at any given time, all of which a commander is held accountable for, that they do in fact need a virtual army of people to track the statistics and results for them.
Each commander should be held to the standard of this: if there is a problem in your district, solve it using what you feel is appropriate for your area. If you don't solve it, we will find someone who will. Not every program or bright idea out of 35th st works everywhere.
Also, what ever happened to the idea that patrol is supported by the rest of the department? The hierarchy of the department has re-allocated so many people to specialized units and glorified those units that patrol has turned into the forgotten stepchild, absolutely s*%t upon by the rest of the department. However, who gets the call when Joe Citizen calls 911 about the gangbangers harassing him? Patrol, not TRU, not MSF, not the new Gang units.
That, my friends, is the argument in a nutshell as to why so many office people are in their positions. They are there to create statistical reports designed to perpetuate the continuing rise of specialized units. Patrol at the district level should always be fully stocked before any specialized units get manpower.
Well, I can always dream.
Staff...cut the CAPS office in 009. 13 p/o's + one or two sergeants strong. Never have I ever seen so much waste if one district.
5/15/2009 06:24:00 AM
Then you must never have been up to Eugene's office. He's got so many people up there he must've run out of space cause A.M. still sits under his desk. You would think that with the new station and all, she would atleast get a desk or something.
Our District Manager Does Not Do Shit All Day!!!! the only time she works is if someone complains about something that the eng. has to handle. Then the Bitch tries to police the police I tell you that little bit power has made her loose her mind. SOOOOO Get Rid of them All
Cut gold stars while your at it.
"When you initially log-in to the survey, you will be asked to provide your PC login number. PC login numbers are collected to link demographic data (e.g.: years on the job) and unit of assignment/detail to survey responses. However, the data UIC will provide to the Department will NOT include your PC login number and will NOT allow the Department to identify whether you participated in the survey or to link survey responses specifically to you."
THERE'S THE NEEDLE BREAKING THE BULLSHIT METER. ANYONE WHO RESPONDS TO THAT SURVEY IS AN IDIOT. IT'S TO MINE INTELLIGENCE& IDENTIFY THOSE THEY DEEM MALCONTENTS. THAT SURVEY WILL HAUNT YOU THE REST OF YOUR CAREER.
ANYONE SEE THE ODD TIMING TO THIS SURVEY& THE RATING SYSTEM BEING IMPLEMENTED THAT WILL EVALUATE YOU ATTITUDE& DEMEANOR??
"Thank you for your participation – your honesty in responding to this survey is highly valued."
It will provide valuable information for us to stick it so far up your as you won't see it coming. In other words, thanks Chumps we always knew you were goddamn gullible, this just reassures us.
Wanna talk about useless? How about the District Manager in 003. She seems to disappear daily at around 1300, and miraculously re-appears at about 1500...hmmm...nice lunch break...we should look into their union. The real problem is the constant taking of cars out of service to go to Equipment and Supply...this happens at least once weekly. How damn hard is it to check to see how low we are in supplies, and order them BEFORE they run out. I guess her real function is the official district Bible reader/gospel music listener...just more hibbity-jibbity!!!!
Anonymous said...
...WTF getting rid of the District Managers across the city would save $2 million a year. Who did their work before they ‘created’ these the spot, have them do it again? Lets add to the list of special employees in the front office --Crossing Guard Supervisor...
Amen, two useless spots, especially the District Manager. I know who you're talking about, she's in 025. And she's as useless as they come! Same with the Crossing Guard Supervisor. Two political plums that could be sacrificed for the good of all.
What's Carter in 004 to do without all his females. He might actually have to do some real work.
"I never understood why police departments have so many sworn employees doing things that are not really police work.
It does not require a gun and a badge to file stuff. or to be a door guard"
True, but at the end of the day I'll bet you get more work out of your PO's in the front office than you do the civilians in the front office.
""If the department was really interested in cutting office staff, they would stop mandating that certain statistical reports are kept and tracked by each district commander.
There are so many different programs in effect at any given time, all of which a commander is held accountable for, that they do in fact need a virtual army of people to track the statistics and results for them.""
This is the absolute truth. I worked in the F/O doing stats for a while. It was always a game to see if the Commander could come to a DOC meeting with the same statistics the department had. Their gurus came up with numbers which they did not share with the Commanders, so the Commanders were left having their own gurus try and access the 1000 different databases out there and come up with the same numbers downtown had. Take a look at the employee search and see how many people assigned to data systems. Last count it was 118.
Here is a great example of wasted resources: Area 4 2nd watch has two desk officers JH & EC. These two lazy asses split the tour. One takes the first 4 hrs and the other takes the last 4. Each is D-2A and each had "issues" that caused then to be put on the desk.
While EC has some medical drama and does have time on the job, the other "dolly" doesn't have 3bars on her sleeve and she spends more time fixing her hair and adding perfume as a uniform adjustment than answering the phones in a very busy area. If they can't do D-2A then they should go back to patrol.
"You would think that with the new station and all, she would atleast get a desk or something.
5/15/2009 05:55:00 PM"
Why?
Maybe she's grown accustomed to the view.
Anonymous said...
"I never understood why police departments have so many sworn employees doing things that are not really police work.
It does not require a gun and a badge to file stuff. or to be a door guard"
True, but at the end of the day I'll bet you get more work out of your PO's in the front office than you do the civilians in the front office.
5/15/2009 09:43:00 PM
True enough. And the computers won't get all gummed up with grape pop and flaming hots.
In one north side district a civilian employee of the front office was found sound asleep on the carpet in a meeting room regularly. She claimed it was the department's fault for not giving her enough to do so she went to sleep instead of just sitting there. she would never look for something to do, someone had to bring work to her and instruct her exactly what to do. When she was done with that task her sitting still began again. She is at HQ now, Ident I think.
Im mixed on the house clearing. Do you really want a 15-20yr do nothing who has been riding the pine for the last 15-20 (clout babies as soon as they come off status)years come and back you up? I think Ill take the hyper 2 year wonder over them anyday.
In one north side district a civilian employee of the front office was found sound asleep on the carpet in a meeting room regularly. She claimed it was the department's fault for not giving her enough to do so she went to sleep instead of just sitting there. she would never look for something to do, someone had to bring work to her and instruct her exactly what to do. When she was done with that task her sitting still began again. She is at HQ now, Ident I think.
5/16/2009 07:37:00 AM
She now works at the academy. She sleeps sitting down at her desk.
In my district the CAPS office has taken over the former Youth Office, which is no longer used because we take our juvies to the JISC.
So because they need more people & more desks we have CAPS East and CAPS West.
CAPS works, right?!
009: 5 sworn district secretaries, or 2 secretaries and 3 assistants to the 2 secretaries, 2 sworn review officers, 1 civilian and 1 sworn timekeeper, 1 sworn light duty data entry, 2 sworn tact secretaries, dignitary car, command post officer, two abandoned building officers, 1 business liason officer that drives the alderman around, one guy that does nothing but put the arm on the businesses in the district, 5 dare/great officers and quite a few of these people are assigned to cars on the sheets-sheets say all of our cars are manned, it's very unsafe out here, we have to be out here scraping around for backup and somehow we manage but someday......... and they want to know why morale is down and stress is up. If the police department really wants to tighten its belt, then get to it already. it's not like the brass doesn't know the sheets are full of lies, everyone knows it, EVERYONE, so if they wanted to change it they would. and they wont. back each other up people, we only have each other
sharky said...
If the department was really interested in cutting office staff, they would stop mandating that certain statistical reports are kept and tracked byeach district commander.
There are so many different programs in effect at any given time, all of which a commander is held accountable for, that they do in fact need a virtual army of people to track the statistics and results for them.
Each commander should be held to the standard of this: if there is a problem in your district, solve it using what you feel is appropriate for your area. If you don't solve it, we will find someone who will. Not every program or bright idea out of 35th st works everywhere.
Also, what ever happened to the idea that patrol is supported by the rest of the department? The hierarchy of the department has re-allocated so many people to specialized units and glorified those units that patrol has turned into the forgotten stepchild, absolutely s*%t upon by the rest of the department. However, who gets the call when Joe Citizen calls 911 about the gangbangers harassing him? Patrol, not TRU, not MSF, not the new Gang units.
That, my friends, is the argument in a nutshell as to why so many office people are in their positions. They are there to create statistical reports designed to perpetuate the continuing rise of specialized units. Patrol at the district level should always be fully stocked before any specialized units get manpower.
Well, I can always dream.
I agreed with all your comments,they should get rid-off the 14th District Commander as well the useless CAPS Seargent out of them two salaries you can hire couple more officers and see better results on the streets
16 has 10 pos 1 dist manager 1 crossing guard guy and 1 civilian.
....and a day do nothing mission team- which according to the sheets are "all on midnights"...becuz who needs to fill beat cars on first watch anyway
"When you initially log-in to the survey, you will be asked to provide your PC login number. PC login numbers are collected to link demographic data (e.g.: years on the job) and unit of assignment/detail to survey responses. However, the data UIC will provide to the Department will NOT include your PC login number and will NOT allow the Department to identify whether you participated in the survey or to link survey responses specifically to you."THERE'S THE NEEDLE BREAKING THE BULLSHIT METER. ANYONE WHO RESPONDS TO THAT SURVEY IS AN IDIOT. IT'S TO MINE INTELLIGENCE& IDENTIFY THOSE THEY DEEM MALCONTENTS. THAT SURVEY WILL HAUNT YOU THE REST OF YOUR CAREER.
ANYONE SEE THE ODD TIMING TO THIS SURVEY& THE RATING SYSTEM BEING IMPLEMENTED THAT WILL EVALUATE YOU ATTITUDE& DEMEANOR??
When I first read this, I tended to agree but then after I thought it through, common sense prevailed. I fail to see how the department can hold you accountable for voicing your opinion, so I took the survey and I think everyone should! Don't let your paranoia run rampant thinking about how the department can screw you with this survey and let them know how you really feel! It supposed to be anonymous and through the University of Chicago. Are they also "in cahoots" with the Police Department?? Maybe, but I think not!
"It supposed to be anonymous and through the University of Chicago. Are they also "in cahoots" with the Police Department?? Maybe, but I think not!
5/17/2009 12:25:00 PM"
It's UIC- University of Illinois at Chicago (near Taylor Street)- NOT the University of Chicago (Hyde park)-and yes- lots of ties between UIC and the Department-enough said!
"Maybe, but I think not!
5/17/2009 12:25:00 PM"
You're right about that one.
You're not thinking.
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