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- A car driven by an off-duty Chicago police officer struck and killed a 13-year-old boy early today, then drove off, officials say.
Whatever. Let the investigation takes its course.
We're still waiting for the day the media writes "off-duty janitor" or "off-duty doctor" for some of these instances. An off-duty cop doesn't represent the City or on-duty Officers any more than an "off the clock trucker" represents the Teamsters Union.
We're still waiting for the day the media writes "off-duty janitor" or "off-duty doctor" for some of these instances. An off-duty cop doesn't represent the City or on-duty Officers any more than an "off the clock trucker" represents the Teamsters Union.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
119 Comments:
what was a 13 year old doing out at 130 am??? I like how they soften it by saying he "snuck out" and that "family is outraged it was an off duty police officer"... well, as a police officer, and member of this community, I am OUTRAGED that the parents ALLOWED this child to be roaming the streets at such a late hour! I am OUTRAGED that the parents were not respinsible knowing where their child was at such an hour! As a PARENT you are trusted with the most precious task of KNOWING WHERE YOUR CHILD IS AT 130 AM!!! I AM OUTRAGED ALL RIGHT!!! WILL THESE PARENTS BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AT ALL??? I AM TRULY OUTRAGED THAT ANOTHER MINORITY CHILD IS TAKEN BECAUSE THE MINORITY COMMUNITY DOES NOT TAKE OWNERSHIP!!! And even though this had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEPARTMENT how long until the civil suits fly??? Over/Under is 3 days... family is seeing $$$ before this kid is even planted!!! I am OUTRAGED and it is time their "culture" starts demanding more accountability!!!
Would've never happened had the kid NOT been out at 0130 hours on a school night (but that's a whole other aspect of this situation that'll never see the light of day).
Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I'm sure that right about now Joe Frugoli is saying "Thank you officer _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _"!!!!!!
Let's see how the fake reverends, community activists and "friends" of the deceased act on this one...for less-than-subtle reasons the general population isn't aware of...yet.
SCC -
I cannot even believe that you are sticking up for this guy - - Cop or not!!!! You disappoint me lately my friend.
13yrs old out at 130 am??? driver still wrong but would have never happened with responsible parenting... just sayin
oh man, not again.. ok now it's the fire departments turn to screw up again.
off- duty cop has a bigger splash to it than say...professional government aid recipient
what an ass!!! There are many in our ranks
An off-duty cop doesn't represent the City or on-duty Officers any more than an "off the clock trucker" represents the Teamsters Union.
Sadly my brothers and sisters I would disagree.
Cops are walking on egg shells. Pull those medallions, FLOP stickers and hatbands off your car.
SCC -
I cannot even believe that you are sticking up for this guy - - Cop or not!!!! You disappoint me lately my friend..
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And we cannot believe that those GED Reading Comprehension courses didn't help you actually read what was in the post.
Where did we express anything but a desire to see the investigation take it's course?
Read it again.
Did you find even the tiniest word of us sticking up for the individual? Anywhere?
Do you need to read it a third time?
Asshat.
Did you see the one women being interviewed? "Hell, cound'nt he just have written him a curfew or something, called his parents. He did'nt have to run him over"! Not verbatim, I try to speak normal.
13 yrs old, out on a school night/morning at 1:30am. Yeah, it's everybody elses fault! But, we seem to be at the wrong place at the wrong time off-duty, don't we.
Was it the hairgel police?
NOPE!
Folks, even though you're fellow cops you sometimes make me want to scream!!!!!!!
It is not at all relevent why the kid was out there at that hour! The point here is that this person, this off duty cop (or an off duty whatever) LEFT THE SCENE. It's not bad enough that this driver hit someone and killed them BUT HE/SHE/IT didn't have the guts to face up to it right there and did a hit and run.
It is NEVER ok to leave the scene of an accident.... regardless of who is where at what hour of the night and regardless of whether the driver is an off duty cop, off duty dog catcher, off duty blogger, whomever.
SCC -
I cannot even believe that you are sticking up for this guy - - Cop or not!!!! You disappoint me lately my friend..
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And we cannot believe that those GED Reading Comprehension courses didn't help you actually read what was in the post.
Where did we express anything but a desire to see the investigation take it's course?
Read it again.
Did you find even the tiniest word of us sticking up for the individual? Anywhere?
Do you need to read it a third time?
Asshat.
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In all total fairness SCC I also took your post as being favorable to this off duty cop-driver. When you say in your initial post the sarcastic "whatever" and then follow it with "let the investigation...." It sounds like you're setting the stage for pro-copper/pro-driver responses. Then when you start to make the point about the "off duty other professions..." It really does put a "pro" slant on your piece.
I do not know that poster that you went off on but I just gotta tell you that I'm a totally different person and I viewed your posting as leaning towards favorable on this driver.
And we cannot believe that those GED Reading Comprehension courses didn't help you actually read what was in the post.
Where did we express anything but a desire to see the investigation take it's course?
Read it again.
OUCH!!!! How about a headline "Off Duty Blogger Loses Their Mind"? Usually your wit and sarcasm brings joy to my morning but this was exceptionally harsh even for you SCC.
Seems someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
Cops are walking on egg shells. Pull those medallions, FLOP stickers and hatbands off your car.
5/23/2009 07:26:00 AM
YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE HAT BANDS HANGING IN YOUR CAR EVER!
Anonymous said...
SCC -
I cannot even believe that you are sticking up for this guy - - Cop or not!!!! You disappoint me lately my friend.
5/23/2009 12:26:00 AM
You are not the police and you have already assumed, tagged and convicted this guy as being DUI without any evidence. I don't know the whole story (not being on the original scene) but maybe this kid turned his bike into traffic and the driver had no time to react before striking the kid. I refuse to play the media and mayor's game of condeming the off duty PO without at least allowing the legal system to run it's course.
Signed, a fed up Sgt.
I have utter contempt for the news media, particularly Channel 5 and their breathy, National Enquirer-like commercial break teasers.
WTF is a 13 year old doing out at 1:30AM? Heading out for a friendly craps games? I doubt he was going to a CPS Chess Club meeting.
Accidents happen, let it play out in the courts, not on TV.
off- duty cop has a bigger splash to it than say...professional government aid recipientI hate to disagree.
Actually, the aid recipient probably made the bigger splash this one time.
An off-duty cop doesn't represent the City or on-duty Officers any more than an "off the clock trucker" represents the Teamsters Union.No, but the way off-duty cops are treated by on-duty cops is exactly why the job gets mentioned.
The treatment of people like Frugoli before he finally killed someone is exactly why reporters bring it up.
And when a PO's wife is pulled over in the city she's likely to be treated a little differently than the wife of a teamster. No?
So there are differences.
first it was he was going to the store, now he snuck out of the house and did not even own a bike. It is a senseless tragedy for all of those involved and could have been prevented. Lets stop making up stories though and take responsibility for your actions as a parent or lack there of!
Anonymous said...
what was a 13 year old doing out at 130 am??? I like how they soften it by saying he "snuck out" and that "family is outraged it was an off duty police officer"... well, as a police officer, and member of this community, I am OUTRAGED that the parents ALLOWED this child to be roaming the streets at such a late hour! I am OUTRAGED that the parents were not respinsible knowing where their child was at such an hour! As a PARENT you are trusted with the most precious task of KNOWING WHERE YOUR CHILD IS AT 130 AM!!! I AM OUTRAGED ALL RIGHT!!! WILL THESE PARENTS BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AT ALL??? I AM TRULY OUTRAGED THAT ANOTHER MINORITY CHILD IS TAKEN BECAUSE THE MINORITY COMMUNITY DOES NOT TAKE OWNERSHIP!!! And even though this had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEPARTMENT how long until the civil suits fly??? Over/Under is 3 days... family is seeing $$$ before this kid is even planted!!! I am OUTRAGED and it is time their "culture" starts demanding more accountability!!!
5/23/2009 12:07:00 AM
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Sure there is fault on both sides but, WHAT THE FUCK DOES COLOR, CULTURE, ETC... Have to do with it? Fuck You! You shouldn't even be up at 12:07am you young minded fuck.
I can only suspect why this particular off-duty cops picture is not plastered everywhere.
Was he out tagging like the other two?
To 5/23/2009 12:26:00 AM
I cannot even believe that you think SCC is sticking up for this guy - - and I doubt that SCC would consider you a friend.
The P.O. That was involved in this incident is a nice guy, very quiet and hard working. He probably panicked and was scared, hey it happens this goof JFED has everybody nervous regarding off duty incidents. Let's be clear about one thing he did NOT GET A DUI, he was not impaired.
Regardless of how you look at it two families lives are shaken up.
Anonymous said...
what was a 13 year old doing out at 130 am??? I like how they soften it by saying he "snuck out" and that "family is outraged it was an off duty police officer"...
OK,it's all the kids fault and he made the copper leave the scene.
Wonder, at 13, how long his juvi record was and how many baby mamas he had. Since the officers job and time on the Dept are being aired out
I saw the kid's father on TV. He seemed like a decent guy, and made a valid point: it was an accident, his son made a stupid mistake by leaving the house, but the officer was a punk for running away and not trying to help the kid he just hit.
The kid should have been in the house, no doubt, but the copper was a coward, also no doubt. Had he manned up and at least called 911, this is a blurb instead of having all of us painted with the same brush. AGAIN!
A little responsibility goes a long way.
Why weren't the parents charged with neglect?
I have a blue flyer from my library stating curfew: time to be a parent. Lists other info in english and spanish straight from the cpd caps, jody weis and mayor daley.
What a horrible way to go!
There's no room for excuses on either side.
Kid is dead & copper would probably be better off.
Job, pension, reputation, home and maybe family & freedom, all lost.
And SCC, until we have the honor of becoming "off-duty janitors" after we retire we'll always be held to a higher standard & smeared by the media.
An off-duty cop doesn't represent the City or on-duty Officers any more than an "off the clock trucker" represents the Teamsters Union.
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And yet I keep hearing that part of the justification for off duty carry by cops is that they are cops 24/7.
Thats either the way it is or it isn't. You can't expect people to take you seriously when you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
If this was an alderman or a high ranking official with the city it would also be news. or a baseball player, etc. Misconduct by certain kinds of people is always news. Just the way it is.
Ok, an event ALLEGEDLY happened with an Off Duty Officer. BEfore we fire up the Blog Gas Chamber and strap the poor guy in I concur with SCC. Let the investigation take its course.Before we jump to defense(on either side of this accident)lets just get ALL the facts and leave the critique and conjecture out of this post. Remember there are media and City Hall BITCHES that read this blog as well. If the PO needs support then by all means STEP UP. And while I agree also with the irresponsibility of the breeding crackheads oops i mean victims parents and while DCFS should get a call,they ARE grieving a loss of a paycheck oops i mean child. Outrage will truly be if the City pays these welfare sucking bastards off oops i mean Victims relatives. See where Im sitting on this one. Subtle like a hand grenade. L-1
What exactly does the time of day or the victim's age have to do with the fact that the driver fled the scene?
In the ghetto, Joe walks in the streets and doesnt use sidewalks, they ride those illegal mini motorcycles with no headlights in the street at night, they are always walking blindly into traffic and against the walk symbol in the crosswalk and shorties are constantly running out in the street from between parked cars right infront of your car. I'm surprised more stupid fuckers in the ghetto don't get hit or runned over and killed on a regular basis. I guess rules of the road, laws, traffic laws and yes - common sense doesnt apply if you're Joe.
I feel so bad for the cop. It could happen to any of us on/off duty. My thoughts and prayers to the officer and his family. I also agree if the kid was in the house he would still be alive. Once a C.T.A. bus clipped a kid running across the street playing at 0030hrs. I gave her a curfew and the parents went crazy. I told them to watch their kids better.
Without the CPD and other police depts. there would be no news to report in Chicago. Every other story is about Burge, crashing cops, Drew Peterson, etc.. What about the scumbag judges, lawyers, alderman, and other professions? Police officers are human with faults just like everyone else. So why is all this crap so newsworthy?
For every screwup by a cop I'll show you 5,000 incidents where something good or extrodinary was done by an officer. Don't seethat in the news very often now do we.
Were there any lights on the kid's bike? Was he riding the bike per rules of the road for bicyclists? What was he doing out at that time? Where were the kids parents? Older brothers and sisters? This is a tragic fatal accident, nothing more, yet the Copper, as always, gets hung out to dry by our Superiors, and the States Attorney Pencil-Necks. Now go out and work hard and stick your necks out, you'll be rewarded with fairness and compassion too, when your turn comes.
An entire career of doing good for citizens, down the drain, for this officer,just so the powers to be have a fall-Guy to hang for the media sharks and the do-gooder liberals. Of course, blame the real people to blame, the kids parents and family, for negligence and improper supervision of a juvenile. The Shit-cago/Crook County way, in action, as usual. I feel pretty sorry for this officer, no sympathy for him by the socialist news-media, of course.
Generally, articles try to provide information about victims and alleged suspects. So, you often will see occupations noted. In the case of a police officer, it is important to note that he or she was off-duty in order to make it clear that he or she was acting in an official capacity.
Go ahead Daley, just pay out the Lawsuit with the Taxpayers money, not yours, as usual, without asking any questions of the kid's family, in front of a Grand Jury. This police officer's civil rights have been violated.
I'll bet this kid didn't "sneak out". I wouldn't doubt if the kids partents sent him up to Ashland avenue to buy them some cigarettes, grape soda, or flamin hots or something similar, because they were too lazy to go themselves. Piss Poor investigation of the parents. Just hang the Cop, it's fast, easy, and the truth won't factor in and offend anyone. ASSHOLES...
I heard the kids (on bikes) were playing "chicken" with the cars @ 1:15 AM; and that they do that sort of thing all the time over there.
My grandfather used to say, "if you're in your own bed after 10pm, nothing is going to happen to you."
Just another example of the jungle rats scurrying about at all times.
But that does not exonerate the off duty officer for being a jagoff.
what was a 13 year old doing out at 130 am???
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would it make any real difference if it was a 50 YO man on his way home from work?
SCC -
I cannot even believe that you are sticking up for this guy - - Cop or not!!!! You disappoint me lately my friend.
5/23/2009 12:26:00 AM
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SCC should stick up for him based on the media interpretation of this story. The kid was out at 1:30 AM, he probably did not sneak out like the parents said. He was probably STILL out. Had this been a regular citizen , the story would not of read "13 year old run over by off duty K-Mart employee." or anything remotely close to it. The job has nothing to do with the offense. For all those who say cops are held at a higher standard, that only applies in a negative way. Cops are not respected more, but they are expected to respect others more and laws more-TOO BAD.
The only fault here is the mom's for not using effective birth control if she did not want to parent.
SCC -
I cannot even believe that you are sticking up for this guy - - Cop or not!!!! You disappoint me lately my friend.
5/23/2009 12:26:00 AM
Your an IDIOT, if you were not the officer on scene you can't say the officer was at fault!
Adult out at 1:30am who cares
13 year old out at 1:30am on a school night! WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOUR PARENTS!!!!
81st & Ashland, you lucky he didn't become another CPS student killed by gun fire!
The media should tell the whole story. Not just try to paint this officer as a monster!
Tell how the little jackass was playing "chicken" with moving cars!
I'm not going to name the officer, but I will say keep your head up!
I am a cop and unfortunately my fellow officers still don't get it; we are the police and yes, we need to be held to a higher standard. And you SCC still don't get it either. We are different from "off duty janitors", "off duty cashiers", etc... in that we hold a position of authority and responsibility in our society.
Once again, we need to be held to a higher standard because we hold a position of authority. Is that too hard to understand?
5/23/2009 03:16:00 PM
You must be a clout baby!!!
Anonymous said...
The P.O. That was involved in this incident is a nice guy, very quiet and hard working. He probably panicked and was scared, hey it happens this goof JFED has everybody nervous regarding off duty incidents. Let's be clear about one thing he did NOT GET A DUI, he was not impaired.
Regardless of how you look at it two families lives are shaken up.
5/23/2009 09:30:00 AM
Ummm, WRONG! Maybe TRY AGAIN!
He did get DUI'd, even though he blew under .08. Thing was, the on Duty SGT handled it the way he should have, but they still made him blow 4 hours later. The CCSA Office decided to go with the DUI based on what he blew four hours after, and used their "felony fuck them" rule against the CPD.
So DO NOT make apologies for somebody who was wrong in this, at least he shares half the blame. The fucking kid playing chicken on a bike on Ashland at 130 in the morning also shares half of the responsibility.
Nice guy, great cop, honor student, et all.
I can only suspect why this particular off-duty cops picture is not plastered everywhere.
Eff you! They cannot release your photo unless you are charged with a crime. All news accounts said charges were pending. The man is entitled to that contractually. Asshat.
Some deranged fuck stabs his 4 year old sister to death in Mokena and the lead "breaking news" story on channel 5 is off duty p.o. charged. That's it. Now on to other news.
This sucks! Any citizen whether it be a police officer or not ... have to man up. Parents should be held responsible for their kid being out at 1:30 am.
It's a tragedy all the way around.
An arrest has been made, the officer has been named, and alcohol is alleged to have been involved.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/05/chicago-officer-charged-in-fatal-hit-and-run.html
Bad story all around.
The kid should have been at home and not riding his bike in the oncoming lanes of traffic.
The officer should not have left the scene. As for the alleged alcohol use I could have guessed that. Don't drink and drive. If you have to drink either do it at home or get a pick up truck and sleep it off in the back.
Personally in the warmer months I just put a hammock up on my flat roof and go to sleep. I wake up when the birds start chirping and shitting on me. It makes me feel like I'm at work or talking to some meritcloutorious hack.
The fact that the arrested is a cop is valid NEWS. Just as if he had been a fireman, politician, media personality, ballplayer, Priest etc.
Are police held to a different standard?
Yes and no.
Yes, the media and public will jump on the stupidity of a drunken off duty cop quicker and more vociferously than they would a drunken accountant.
No, in that SOME cops will often give a break to an off duty officer involved in some drunken stupidity and the drunk will often expect a break.
I can recall multiple instances of whining going on this board when some suburban cop doesn't give "courtesy" to a CPD member arrested for DUI.
No one, cop or civilian, should get a break for DUI.
There are roughly 18-19000 homicides in the US every year. The number of people killed in alcohol related vehicle accidents is roughly similar.
We need to treat DUI like some of the Europeans do........harshly.
Would like to no how long after the accident the POPO talked to the driver of the offending vehicle. If it was within an hour they shouldnt charge him with leaving the scene. Had an incident where a guy with a suspended DL fled the scene of an accident where a child sustained brain damage. Driver was apprehended about 5 blocks away and MAIU refused to go with the leaving the scene charge because they said the driver had an hour to report the accident. PO better be given same.
leomemorial said...
Why weren't the parents charged with neglect?
I have a blue flyer from my library stating curfew: time to be a parent. Lists other info in english and spanish straight from the cpd caps, jody weis and mayor daley.
5/23/2009 10:23:00 AM
Sorry, but you're assuming the 13 yr old or his parents can read AND that he frequents the library. Both may be ridiculous assumptions.
I agree with the post that says we are held to a higher authority. So we drive DRUNK off duty, kill somebody. Now we all make excuses. Nice example. Kinda like your father waving a hand with a cigarette between his fingers telling you "If I ever catch you smoking...." We are that father. Wake up and take responsibility for your actions and lead by example.
You retards are something else.
We are our own worst enemies. I believe Aguilar wrote an article in the FOP newsletter a few months back that addressed this issue.
I am a cop and unfortunately my fellow officers still don't get it; we are the police and yes, we need to be held to a higher standard. And you SCC still don't get it either. We are different from "off duty janitors", "off duty cashiers", etc... in that we hold a position of authority and responsibility in our society.
Once again, we need to be held to a higher standard because we hold a position of authority. Is that too hard to understand?
5/23/2009 03:16:00 PM
Fine with the higher standard. But since when does a "Higher Standard" mean that every fuckup gets plastered on the news? It should be dealt with by the department and criminal justice system. There are drunk ass lawyers, doctors, etc but you almost never hear about them. We are targeted by the media.
SCC -
I cannot even believe that you are sticking up for this guy - - Cop or not!!!! You disappoint me lately my friend..
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And we cannot believe that those GED Reading Comprehension courses didn't help you actually read what was in the post.
Where did we express anything but a desire to see the investigation take it's course?
Read it again.
Did you find even the tiniest word of us sticking up for the individual? Anywhere?
Do you need to read it a third time?
Asshat.
5/23/2009 07:33:00 AM
OK, sorry SCC. I guess you weren't really sticking up for the guy. You were just playing the "Police Officer as vistim" card. Amirite? Either way, you are a douche.
I challenge you to show me any town in the United States with the population of 11,000 or so adults where those adults have gotten drunk and killed more drivers/pedestrians than our off-duty CPD brethren in the past 5 years. Try it. It's FAIL for sure.
Generally, articles try to provide information about victims and alleged suspects. So, you often will see occupations noted. In the case of a police officer, it is important to note that he or she was off-duty in order to make it clear that he or she was acting in an official capacity.
5/23/2009 11:58:00 AM
Bullshit. The ONLY time a "career path" makes the paper is when it's a city employee-- cop, fireman, alderman, etc. Beyond that you reporters don't seem to give a shit. And stay off the blog.
And when a PO's wife is pulled over in the city she's likely to be treated a little differently than the wife of a teamster. No?
So there are differences.
5/23/2009 09:16:00 AM
Maybe. Unless it's in 016. Then they fuck with the wife because they don't want to do real police work. Happens all the time. Some very weird women coppers in 016.
I do not and will not condone D.U.I. If you make that choice then live with the consequences.
Now, let me play devil's advocate for a second. I think the parents should be charged with child endangerment. I've seen it happen before, but our politically correct city/county that caters to the 1's will not do it. They [the parents] are at fault because they have an obligation to protect their kids from harm, but we all know that father's day is the most confusing day in the ghetto! and the parents want the system to raise their kids because they can't do it. These kids are out of control.
Don't give me the "I'm racist s**t" It's a fact, look around and if you don't see it you're f***ing blind as a bat.
For those of us who have the pleasure of working the "fast" districts we've seen these f**kers walking, riding their bicycles and other unlicensed 2 week mini-bikes in the middle of the street like they f***ing own it. I've said to myself many times, "I hope they get run over and DIE!!!"
Yes, I've said it and if you have a problem with that then you're just another fool.
Anonymous said...
In the ghetto, Joe walks in the streets and doesnt use sidewalks, they ride those illegal mini motorcycles with no headlights in the street at night, they are always walking blindly into traffic and against the walk symbol in the crosswalk and shorties are constantly running out in the street from between parked cars right infront of your car. I'm surprised more stupid fuckers in the ghetto don't get hit or runned over and killed on a regular basis. I guess rules of the road, laws, traffic laws and yes - common sense doesnt apply if you're Joe.
5/23/2009 11:31:00 AM
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HERE HERE or HEAR HEAR whichever it is!
You people got every one HUNG before anyone knows anything!
FLED did you ever think that IF you stop in the GHETTO you may be JUMPED by the ARMED ANIMALS of the GHETTO?
Some of you NOTHRSIDE or should I say SOFTSIDE coppers need to understand something the driver (and I do not know anything ..just like you!) ..the driver may have wanted to stop but saw a crowd of gangbangers that converged on the scene in his rear view and couldn't!
Did he go home or bail? I don't know but let's not jump to conclusions!
Our punishing Dept. Is now letting all of us know that you are FUCKED when you are involved so it basically is telling you all to RUN!
ISN'T THAT SOMETHING?
YOU WILL BLOW IMMEDIATELY, GET STRIPPED , LOSE YOUR JOB, GO TO JAIL, WHATEVER WHATEVER so this is turning you into DUDE!!
The chances of someone running as opposed to doing the right thing and remaining on the scene are probably higher for the fear of being FUCKED!
I DO NOT CONDONE RUNNING BUT I CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE RUN! BECAUSE YOURE FUCKED ANYWAYS.....
GOD BLESS EVERYONE INVOLVED!
"An off-duty cop doesn't represent the City or on-duty Officers any more than an "off the clock trucker" represents the Teamsters Union."
Right. Whatever works for you.
YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE HAT BANDS HANGING IN YOUR CAR EVER!
5/23/2009 08:09:00 AM
Hatband? I can't even find my hat.
Over 20 KMA club member
Hats off to 3:16pm--I could not have saud it better. Police are held to a higher standard and for that I for one am PROUD!
DUI, reckless homicide, leaving the scenethat's what matters.
"an open bottle of beer", "failed a Breathalyzer".
It's all here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-police-officer-charged-hit-rmay24,0,6565459.story
This would have made the news regardless of the asshat's, oops, I mean driver's occupation. That it was an off-duty officer is what makes it outrageous.
Sure, the kid shouldn't have been out there. Let's say the parents kept the kid inside. Who else would he have hit and/or killed while driving over the limit (both speed & .08)?
what was a 13 year old doing out at 130 am???
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would it make any real difference if it was a 50 YO man on his way home from work?
5/23/2009 01:08:00 PM
Yes maybe the 50 yo has the mental capacity to not ride his bike in the middle of ashland and 81st in the dark. Jackass
"Seems someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
5/23/2009 08:08:00 AM"
To a delicate flower like yourself, it would seem so.
"Once again, we need to be held to a higher standard because we hold a position of authority. Is that too hard to understand?
5/23/2009 03:16:00 PM"
Pull those nails out of your hands and feet, buddy.
"would it make any real difference if it was a 50 YO man on his way home from work?
5/23/2009 01:08:00 PM"
Is that you, Chester?
"Generally, articles try to provide information about victims and alleged suspects. So, you often will see occupations noted. In the case of a police officer, it is important to note that he or she was off-duty in order to make it clear that he or she was acting in an official capacity.
5/23/2009 11:58:00 AM"
Thank you, trained journalist, for making SCC's point.
"What exactly does the time of day or the victim's age have to do with the fact that the driver fled the scene?
5/23/2009 11:28:00 AM"
You forgot to ask about what the location and nature of the local inhabitants might have had to do with it.
Take your time, you'll figure it out, eventually.
"Thats either the way it is or it isn't. You can't expect people to take you seriously when you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
If this was an alderman or a high ranking official with the city it would also be news. or a baseball player, etc. Misconduct by certain kinds of people is always news. Just the way it is.
5/23/2009 10:56:00 AM"
'You can't expect people to take you seriously when you talk out of both sides of your mouth.'
Why not, the midget does, and his expectations are routinely met by, you guessed it, airheads such as yourself.
whether the lad was out after curfew has no bearing on the issue
When one is enjoying the priviledge of driving a car one is responsible for driving safely and for being sober.
And police officers are held to a higher standard, morally and administratively
We take an oath and must obey the Rules and Regulations as a condion of employment
One of those Rules is to obey all laws. ( not sure if its Rule 1 or Rule 2 but its there
Sorry but when driving one needs to be ready for all contingencies including a 13 year old out playing chicken with the cars at 1:30 AM
"WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Sure there is fault on both sides but, WHAT THE FUCK DOES COLOR, CULTURE, ETC... Have to do with it? Fuck You! You shouldn't even be up at 12:07am you young minded fuck.
5/23/2009 09:17:00 AM"
So, you admit that the traits described represent a cultural norm.
How refreshingly honest of you.
"OK,it's all the kids fault and he made the copper leave the scene.
5/23/2009 09:35:00 AM"
Works for me.
Not Guilty on all counts.
I live in the South Shore area and I have a 13 year old kid. I guarantee he has never seen 1:30 am in his life. Mainly because by the time he finishes practice, yardwork, and household chores he doesn't have the energy to think about it. It's 9:52pm right now and he has been in bed for an hour. How do I know? I check. Not blaming the parents, but does anyone check to see if their kids are in bed anymore?
It takes parenting folks. I remember if I had tried to sneak out at 1am I would have met the wrong side of an ass whooping. My kid knows the same thing would happen to him. As parents my husband and I decided the busier we kept this kid the better off he would be. But parenting takes effort, dedication and hard work, and sadly, most just don't want to put in the work any more.
...and you were all perfect angels when you were teenagers? Never once left the house or disobeyed your parents, ever?
Ha! If trying to place the focus on that helps you sleep better at night and salvage what little pride is left when you wear your uniform, then more power to you.
For all those who say cops are held at a higher standard, that only applies in a negative way.3:11, I don't buy that. If an off duty cop pulled someone from a burning house, stopped a mugging, or saved a crash victim's life, they always mention that it was an off duty cop.
He's a cop who criminally charges persons for doing exactly what he was doing. Im sorry but this time I see the media's point in their reporting.
Dear "Fed Up Sgt"
1. I AM the police, just as you are.
2. Did I say anything at all in my post to SCC about any DUI? NO
3. Did I say I condemn this officer? NO
Nice try though!
Anonymous said...
SCC -
I cannot even believe that you are sticking up for this guy - - Cop or not!!!! You disappoint me lately my friend.
5/23/2009 12:26:00 AM
You are not the police and you have already assumed, tagged and convicted this guy as being DUI without any evidence. I don't know the whole story (not being on the original scene) but maybe this kid turned his bike into traffic and the driver had no time to react before striking the kid. I refuse to play the media and mayor's game of condeming the off duty PO without at least allowing the legal system to run it's course.
Signed, a fed up Sgt.
I am a cop and unfortunately my fellow officers still don't get it; we are the police and yes, we need to be held to a higher standard....
Yes. You are the police and should have standards. But what about the doctor who treated my friend for cancer? They save lives. What about them? Or, the accountant who handles all my fiances and can truly ruin my life? A nurse who can inject me with the wrong medication and kill me? A Pilot who can crash a plane full of fare paying passengers?
Yes, this officer was at fault but so were the parents. Nobody is accountable in this state, especially this city. When I told my parent smy Uncle molested me from the time I was 3-12, they were angry then put it away. My mom became a drunka nd beat on me. I even called the police. Funny. Nobody was trained for molestation back then, and what to look for, get info, etc. plus it was a new dept.
Nobody held my parents accountable. And for that, the children always pay.
Not stickin up for any1 nere, but if u know that particular area, you would know that the 80's babies are notorious for being involved in a ton of illegal activity. If I were a betting person, I would bet "big money" tthat this "sneaky" 13 year old was up to no good at 1:30a.m. on a school night!
"Hats off to 3:16pm--I could not have saud it better. Police are held to a higher standard and for that I for one am PROUD!
5/23/2009 08:10:00 PM"
Pride Cometh Before the Fall.
When pride comes, then comes dishonor, But with the humble is wisdom.
When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
When pride comes, there comes shame, but wisdom is with the quiet in spirit.
Where pride is, there also shall be reproach: but where humility is, there also is wisdom.
"Right. Whatever works for you.
5/23/2009 07:48:00 PM"
That's your policy.
You don't have it patented, do you?
"I challenge you to show me any town in the United States with the population of 11,000 or so adults where those adults have gotten drunk and killed more drivers/pedestrians than our off-duty CPD brethren in the past 5 years. Try it. It's FAIL for sure.
5/23/2009 06:59:00 PM"
I challenge you to show me any town in the United States with the population of 11,000 or so adults, where every single adult resident is a Sworn Peace Officer and every single adult resident Sworn Police Officer is employed by the CPD, compelled to live within the boundaries of Chicago, dicked around 'daley', and has to put up with asinine, moronic cocksuckers like you.
Chicago cop is charged in hit-run death of 13-year-old riding a bikeGeez, why are some of you blaming the dead teenager? So if the driver (a cop or not) who is under the influence hits a kid at 1:30 AM and fled the scene, it's the kid's fault for getting killed?
Maybe next time, the alleged drunk driver should only hit adult pedestrians.
Wow some low class trash wearing all black and not being raised by his parents Kills his sister in the oh so nice burbs. But, he was just troubled so I guess it's OK maybe they will get him some counseling while he serves time at home
in the warmer months I just put a hammock up on my flat roof and go to sleep. I wake up when the birds start chirping and shitting on me.
Shhhhh. youre telling em all about how we duck calls in 020...shhhhhhh
I say we sent the TRU unit out to 81st street to arrest all 4' tall people on bikes after 11 pm.
That ought to keep em busy (for once)
no bell on the handle bar...JAIL
banana seat.JAIL
no light............JAIL
That should get their numbers up.
or better yet take all those COCKSUCKERS from Revenue who like to write tickets and have them do a "bike safety" mission at 1 am in the hood.
Bollings Dad was Doug Bolling Retired Commander,so I 'm sure you'll all circle the Wagons & rush to his defense like you do every other time a Bosses Kid gets his tit in a Wringer.
Mushminds, One& All. Sickening.
I challenge you to show me any town in the United States with the population of 11,000 or so adults, where every single adult resident is a Sworn Peace Officer and every single adult resident Sworn Police Officer is employed by the CPD, compelled to live within the boundaries of Chicago, dicked around 'daley', and has to put up with asinine, moronic cocksuckers like you.
5/23/2009 11:36:00 PM
You just proved my point, Fucktard. Thank you.
An off-duty cop doesn't represent the City or on-duty Officers any more than an "off the clock trucker" represents the Teamsters Union.
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And yet I keep hearing that part of the justification for off duty carry by cops is that they are cops 24/7.
Thats either the way it is or it isn't. You can't expect people to take you seriously when you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
If this was an alderman or a high ranking official with the city it would also be news. or a baseball player, etc. Misconduct by certain kinds of people is always news. Just the way it is.
5/23/2009 10:56:00 AM
Asshole, the justification for off duty carry by cops is a federal law. Now put mommies titty back in your mouth and shut the fuck up.
By the way we are not alderman or professional athletes. If you wanted to pay me millions of dollars a year or even an aldermen salary you could treat me differently. I deal with shit all day and retards like you expect me to be perfect human being. Guess what? Im not and Im not trying to be. So go fuck yourself. The police should start holding up the citizens to the standard. You know the standard of law. I have given countless brakes to people over the years and will keep dong it, despite retards like you. Do you know why? Because unlike you I don't expect anyone to be flawless. People fuck up. You are an asshole and I know you fuck up daily, but you are too arrogant to see.
So if the driver (a cop or not) who is under the influence hits a kid at 1:30 AM and fled the scene, it's the kid's fault for getting killed?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Correcto, at least in this scenario. If the off-duty fuckwad did it and his clout can't save him, he should pay the penalty. BUT to suggest the 13-yr-old and his parent(s) and his community are without blame in this clusterfuck is idiotic.
Regardless, the people who have a right to be outraged the most by all this are the post-graduate faculty of Harvard and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, because they'll never get to know firsthand the bright young future academic star and nobel prize-winning biophysicist who took flight and then fell to earth while playing chicken with oncoming automobiles early this past Friday morning.
"I challenge you to show me any town in the United States with the population of 11,000 or so adults, where every single adult resident is a Sworn Peace Officer and every single adult resident Sworn Police Officer is employed by the CPD, compelled to live within the boundaries of Chicago, dicked around 'daley', and has to put up with asinine, moronic cocksuckers like you.
5/23/2009 11:36:00 PM"
Is that you, Festus?
Stay strong Rich, this could've happened to any one of us.
"You just proved my point, Fucktard. Thank you.
5/24/2009 10:17:00 AM"
You said 'fucktard'.
"So if the driver (a cop or not) who is under the influence hits a kid at 1:30 AM and fled the scene, it's the kid's fault for getting killed?
Maybe next time, the alleged drunk driver should only hit adult pedestrians.
5/24/2009 12:11:00 AM"
Darwinism.
If you're not fit to survive, you die.
If you choose to locate yourself in a place where you can be killed, you can't complain when you are killed.
If it wasn't by an allegedly intoxicated and, thus, allegedly impaired driver, it would end up being someone else.
Just like the two crispy critters on the Ryan, when you depend upon the other guy being responsible for not hitting you, and bet your life on it, you've given up all right to complain about the consequences of your decision.
Even four legged rats know enough not to play in traffic.
RE:But that does not exonerate the off duty officer for being a jagoff.
Real nice support.....you are just like the media...jumping the gun and making assumptions...This officer is NOT a jagoff!!!! I say to anyone reading this blog, IF YOU HAVE NEVER MADE A MISTAKE, THEN YOU CAN JUDGE ANOTHER! This officer is and has been a hardworking, professional, stand-up person and should not be judged by cowards on this site!!! Get your facts together before you comment on the guys character. You sound like another media RAT
Stay strong Rich, this could've happened to any one of us.
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Fool, speak for yourself. New rule no time on the jobber's...
No drink and drive and hit people and run off.
Anyone notice, all the heat we got came from no time on the job assholes during the last 3 years.
Thats right, you generation X copper's who drink in bars off duty and a nun would know you were a copper. Brag-Brag-Brag, and war story after another.
No wonder the mayor is fed up with the CPD and it's idiots.
"It takes parenting folks. I remember if I had tried to sneak out at 1am I would have met the wrong side of an ass whooping. My kid knows the same thing would happen to him. As parents my husband and I decided the busier we kept this kid the better off he would be. But parenting takes effort, dedication and hard work, and sadly, most just don't want to put in the work any more."
5/23/2009 10:01:00 PM **********************************
You're an awesome parent.
If everybody raised their children like you're doing, this country would be a much better place.
Anonymous said.....
Just like the two crispy critters on the Ryan, when you depend upon the other guy being responsible for not hitting you, and bet your life on it, you've given up all right to complain about the consequences of your decision
I do believe the off duty officer made a decision also that night...to drive drunk...so I do believe he also gave up all right to complain about the consequences of HIS decision.
Just let everyone shoulder the blame they are responsible for. The parents for not parenting their child as well as the officer for deciding to drive while impaired. Because there is blame on the parent's part does not negate the blame on the officers part. I just don't understand WHY police officers cannot accept blame for their own actions. But then this new generation is all about looking to place the blame anywhere buy on themselves. I bet if you talked to this officer HE is accepting his part of the blame for this tragedy. Because he was wrong does not mean we shouldn't support him. We have all messed up and made bad decisions - only we didn't get caught. Let everyone accept their own blame and learn from this horrible incident.
The kid should not have been out of the house at that hour. But aside from that, the cop no way should have clipped him, and when he did, he should have stopped. If he was drunk, then he's a fucking asshat!
I mentioned after Frugoli that that sad thing about his case is that it wouldn't be long before it happened again.....and it's happened again.
When are people, Cops especially, going to realize that drinking and driving just don't mix? This is so preventable. Had the copper been sober it would have been a terrible accident, but instead, it's prison time for him, a dead kid, and a black eye for the department.....again!
My question again: how long before another copper steps in shit like this? A: unfortunately...not too long.
Remember that crazy Coyle from back in the day? He drank in an old canoe he had suspended on pulleys from his frontroom ceiling! That guy knew how to drink!
Being a cop, getting drunk and driving is getting to be as dangerous as living in a trailer park during tornado season.
Would the next drunk-driving copper please drive through a political function and take out a few of those assholes?
After one of the many other DUI incidents police related or not I remember reading this tidbit. On average it takes a male weighing 200 lbs 1 drink every half hour for 2 hours to register a 0.08 bac. Whether or not this is wholly accurate or not I don't really know. I will say that could you go to a sporting event and have 4 beers in 2 hours and be too intoxicated to drive? Probably not, but that doesn't mean your bac wouldn't put you over the limit. And in an instance like this those few drinks have changed his life forever.
It's very sad that two families have been tragically torn apart from this incident.
Everyday that you see these incidents you just have to think to yourself let me put a few dollars aside to take the cta or $20 to take a cab home. That is money well spent when you look back. We all know hindsight is 20/20 and there are a million Monday morning quarterbacks to judge you when this kind of stuff happens.
Anyway you look at it, RB never meant to hit the kid, and if the kid was playing chicken in the street it was stupid and he paid with his life. Eventually this will be behind everyone involved but not before a lot of pain and agony is endured.
I can speak first hand on the character of RB and he is a first class person all the way.
I agree with the post of not jumping to conclusions and let the investigation take its course. It seems we as a society like to accuse someone guilty just because of what the news media plays out on TV. We all have the right of innocent until proven guilty. I have been on crime scenes and know what really happened , but when it hits the TV all the facts were twisted and distorted just to sensationalize and get ratings. Also anytime the word Chicago Cop is mentioned in the media we don't stand a chance they go in for the kill. Until we all know what really happened and not the account of some junkie or low life giving the reporter on scene his or her account of what happened we need not pass judgement at this point.
Can I get a 4 hour delay before I finally reach a BAC level below the legal limit???
Cops are walking on egg shells. Pull those medallions, FLOP stickers and hatbands off your car.
5/23/2009 07:26:00 AM
YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE HAT BANDS HANGING IN YOUR CAR EVER!
>>>I agree, why let people know your car is owned by a police officer. Wonder why you got keyed ? Wonder why shithead decided to throw whatever they find through your window ? If someone needs to know your police, they'll find out when they need to know, on both sides good guys and bad guys...
FOP stickers don't do shit anymore for parking,,,
Great policeman and a very nice guy. I worked with him on First Watch in the Duece back in the early 1990's. He never advertised who his Father was, who I later worked for. His Father was as nice of a Boss as they come. This is truly upsetting and I will keep him in my prayers.
TUESDAY TRIB:
Bolling, 39, this afternoon made his first court appearance since Sunday, when his bail was set at $2 million. He remains in custody, and his family is trying to raise money for his bond, his attorney Dan Herbert said.
WTF? Doesn't Dan work for FLOP? Are we paying dues money for asshat extraordinaire to get drunk and run over kids? What is going on? Answers, FLOP? Anyone?
Okay, I know this thread is a few days old but just reading it and I am having a hard time.
I am white, raised in a two parent home. My parents were strict and both worked their asses off to send me to private school. Hell, I was even known to drink a grape soda or two when my ma was feeling generous.
Guess what else I did? Snuck out of my house. And you know what I would do? Meet up with a friend who snuck out too, usually rode our bikes to try to meet up with some girls who were going to sneak out.
Did my parents know? Sometimes, when I got caught.
I came close to getting hurt a few times. Almost got hit by a car more than once. And I know how lucky I am that one of those cars was never driven by someone who might have been impaired, even slightly.
I don't know all of what happened, I wasn't there. The bottom line is, he drove away. Doesn't make him a bad man, just makes him a man who made a very bad mistake. But to hang a 13 year old kid and his parents out to dry for doing something that most of us did (or thought about doing) is too hypocritical. Even for some of the posters on this blog.
Wasn't impaired - didn't get a dui? Oh please! Four hours after the fact he blew .079! It ain't gonna take a math wizard from MIT to work the number backwards to determine what he'd have blown four hours prior. Should the boy have been out at l:30 a.m.? NO! Should you be defending the drunk driver who left the scene after striking a kid - ABSOLUTELY NOT!
How many lives must be lost before we begin to take care of ourselves and each other.Every time I go out and have a beverage I take a cab!!Parking sucks anyplace in this city..We must look out for ourselves,our families and fellow officers because NO ONE ELSE WILL!! I've been able to convince the biggest assholes to hop in a cab after a night of drinking..Plain and simple if you drink take a cab and unless you go home and beat the shit out of your spouse..you still have a job, your DL, and no legal fees!!!
After reading several of the comments I want to say, Umph... First yes it is a tradegity when some one looses their life, and no one feels this more than he does(fact). Yes as our beloved Mayor (smile) has said every parent should take responsibility for their child especially knowing where he or she is, which this family has a bad habit of doing because the child was reported missing and came home on his own 04/2009,(fact) I guess bed check wasn't important that night (I have further opinions on the child out and the family but the family wants to reserve this til a later time. Now lets get to the meat. Regardless if the City is accountable or not being a Cop seems to be the only position that what ever happens in your private life becomes public. Rarely do we hear of the heroics off duty, its burn them at the stake. Its a same that we and fire are the only people that go to work or for those that think beyond our hours (thats another conversation) that can end up in a body bag for our efforts. I haven't seen any of the Part Time alderman (beale) state reps etc take this risk but they can sure get paid for it. Legislators are protected by law while their in session, couselit members are protected by diplomatic immunity (if I misspelled something its late I'm sorry), gang bangers are protected by the no snitch rule, the constitution and our general orders... We still have nothing. First he blew administratively this information should have only been available to the SAO by subpoena, not before the ink was dry(no peaking in the file sTATE)(fact)flight or leave scene is defined (under law) by time or taking evasive actions from a marked car who has activated their emergency lights and siren, and the there was no flash message on his vehicle (you know the smell of $$$ can make witnesses come out of the wood works) at least it's not in his arrest report. The A/Os happened up on this(fact). Finally a two million dollar bond for somebody that's not a flight risk, give me a break. Anybody reading this whose done an ounce of police work and been to court has seen a crook with a 15 page rap sheet walk for less(where is the aclu now, oh i forgot it's a Cop it doesn't apply). So there you have it ladies and gents the facts. And as a famous mouth piece once said "if it don't fit you must acquit". But seriously this job is like a marthon race whatever your personal beliefs are before you judge, look at these FACTS, embrace what you agree with, remember him and others like him in your prayers and hope you cross the finish line into retirement. Remember we all could be a promotion party, Christmas party or any celebration away from the same fate...
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