CPD Shooting in Elgin?
Chicago police were involved in a shooting on U.S. Interstate 90 near the Elgin Toll Plaza tonight, authorities said.
A person was shot on the highway by Chicago police officers in the westbound lanes near the toll plaza about 9:25 p.m., said Illinois State Police Sgt. Brian McKinney.
One man in his 30's was transported from the scene in serious condition with gunshot wounds to Provena Saint Joseph Hospital in Elgin, said Elgin Fire Battalion Chief Tim Michaels.
Someone said in an earlier comment section that this chase started in 025, ran through 016 and hit the highway for a good 20 minutes. Whoever let it go, you have a pair of big brass ones.
As far as we can tell from the early reports, no bystanders were injured, two cops in for observation. We'll update later if possible.
As far as we can tell from the early reports, no bystanders were injured, two cops in for observation. We'll update later if possible.
Labels: shooting
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
114 Comments:
way to go 025 brass for letting it go. Way to go all officers involved, hope everything turns out ok
Yes, the brass stood up, police get the bad guy, it must of been a hell of a ride.
If this was a chase, somebody is gonna take a major suspension for this. Other than a Murder, the G.O. doesn't allow a chase to go as far as places like Elgin.
"hit the highway for a good 20 minutes. Whoever let it go, you have a pair of big brass ones."
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YES!
No other than 2560; LT. Johnny Garrido.. future midnight Lt. in 004.
. . . oh, also future Cook County Board President.
A totalled covert car, a squad that ran out of gas, an injured officer, a offender that was shot, and no supervisor...Classic!!!
Chase started at Roscoe & Mobile. Within 20 minutes they were on I-90 and out of radio communication for a quite a while. As chasing units couldn't communicate with the zone, the dispatcher asked them to "phone her." Yea, right. I'm doing 70 MPH and I'm going to figure out what the bell is to Zone12.
Anyway ---
Quote of the night: Zone12 dispatcher "Do the car [incomunicado] that in the chase have ISBRN?"
I don't think that ANY CPD cars have ISBRN in them. Don't these dispatchers have a clue?!?!?!!?
CPD did a great job, with the support of multiple jurisdictions.
All police are OK. Well done all around.
WOW!!!! Hope the guys are ok and everything works out. These are very scary times right now under J-Fed and the head hunters. God bless them! I for one won't be chasing anyone even three feet until the tide changes.
Nice job! Hopefully the mutt dies.
OT. Shots fired by the police in 004. Nobody hit but offender in custody and loaded 9mm semi auto recovered. Please be safe out there all..
I WONDER IF JODI MADE HIS CALL TO THE FEDS ALREADY.
Yep, ride em cowboys. Hope that feeling of satisfaction for a job well done lasts longer than the suspension all involved will take for disregarding the G.O. regarding chases. The news media is gonna have a field day with this one.
If this was a chase, somebody is gonna take a major suspension for this. Other than a Murder, the G.O. doesn't allow a chase to go as far as places like Elgin.
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Where does it say that dumb nuts??
Quote of the night: Zone12 dispatcher "Do the car [incomunicado] that in the chase have ISBRN?"
I don't think that ANY CPD cars have ISBRN in them. Don't these dispatchers have a clue?!?!?!!?
CPD did a great job, with the support of multiple jurisdictions.
All police are OK. Well done all around.
7/15/2009 01:45:00 AM
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Many cars in districts that border the suburbs have ISBERN. 025 borders the burbs.
Uh, looks like that chase was called, about twenty minutes into it. But the out of range cars couldn't hear it.
PITIFUL radio communications we have. God help us if we ever have to deal with a real disaster.
Hey! They broke my watch!
Chasing over nonsense. Like a dog chasing a stick. Somebody got some splaining to do.......
What was the chase for anyway?? Job well done to all involved. Good guys get to go home. And last but not least, to the on duty supervisor who let this go, hats off to ya!!
"I don't think that ANY CPD cars have ISBRN in them. Don't these dispatchers have a clue?!?!?!!? "
More than you do - several cars in "border" districts have ispern radios-not as many as should but some. Dispatchers know about them because they need to check the once a week to make sure they are working. Ask the guys in 24 about ispern checks.
-not a dispatcher
I'm still trying to figure out how they got to Elgin in 20 minutes.
Well done? Nice job?
Over dope?
Great use of resources.
I have to hand it to John Garrido, he let it go and the P.O.'s maintained a calm radio voice. Good job guys it made me proud to be the Police while I was listening to the entertaining chase for over 20 minutes.
By the way a good amount of Cocaine was recovered after it was thrown out the window by the offender.
I don't care if an order was violated or not this is how it should be done PERIOD. You run you go to jail.
Oh and by the way our Cook Co. States Attorneys need to take a lesson from the Kane Co. ASA's, they charged the offender while he was still in surgery, no questions asked. They actually believed the Police. I can hear our ASA's, they are probably saying how dare them, don't they know we need to try this case before it goes to court to find a way to throw it out.
Good Jon Guys
Area 5 Det.
It has gotten to the point where the offenders know the rules and regulations of the department and they know what they can and can't get away with. People expect so much from the CPD officers but offer little support. If the city wants the officers to bring down crime, let us do our job. The officers are tired of getting lawsuits and CRs when they do everything by the book and according to the law. It is as though we were outcasts and only looked upon as scum worst than the offenders commiting the crime. All officers give congrats to 025 for doing a great job.
brass balls, sure, but dumb as a box of rocks comes to mind. This was a chase for narcotics, if you believe the stories, 2 officers got hurt over dope! This moron who was trying to get away could of killed someone you love, but they recovered the dope.
If these mutts hurt you, your partner, or maybe an actual innocent civilian, by all means chase away, but some of you youngsters need to start thinking with your head instead of your balls.
you can call the supervisors pussies all you want, but maybe some of them are looking out for you.
In this day and age, chase?????
Wanted for Narcotics????
1650 did the right thing by broadcasting to "terminate the chase".
I would have done the same thing. Let the burden of responsibility be on the people continuing the chase.
Good job, but plan on suspension time, all involved. Unless he kilt my mama, I ain't chasing nobody nowhere. Shitheads all end up locked up sooner or later.
Anonymous said...
If this was a chase, somebody is gonna take a major suspension for this. Other than a Murder, the G.O. doesn't allow a chase to go as far as places like Elgin.
7/15/2009 12:27:00 AM
How about Attempt Murder of a Police Officer, Nimrod? Does that do it for you?
And since when does the G.O. specify that you can't chase to places "like Elgin". Is it too dangerous there for us or something?
Go back to your desk at IAD and study for your Inspector's exam.
Blue Brothers chase in reverse
Is J-Fed on the phone to U.S. Attorney's office talking about a possible civil rights violation?
Great job by CPD for taking care of business - the bass will be on the chopping block for letting the chase continue.
After all that we've seen. After all that we've been through in the past 5 years, someone is still laying down their livelihood and just hoping that all is well and he can pick it up again.
Had that offender crashed into a family of four on their way to Great America, YOU WOULD BE GOING TO PRISON!
With GPS and in-car cameras, the state would have no problem drawing up a couple of "reckless" acts on your part.
Before you do something this stupid again, try this. Instead of going to the store tommorrow, or watching your kids, or picking them up from school, or working a side job, or mowing your lawn...
just sit inside your bedroom all day from morning till night. Now imagine doing that every day for the next 10 years.
Get the picture.
WOW ! Flashback to the days when the Police were actually required to arrest criminals. Awesome !
You can't chase, you can't kick any ass, you can't drink after work...no wonder the criminals are taking over. Who would take a job as the police??? A bored housewife or unemployed Enron Exec????
WOW! YES! Policework! Too bad J-Fed will reward you with a pink slip.... hey, did Mike Masters get box 2?
Quote of the night: Zone12 dispatcher "Do the car [incomunicado] that in the chase have ISBRN?"
I don't think that ANY CPD cars have ISBRN in them. Don't these dispatchers have a clue?!?!?!!?
ISPERN. Illinois State Police Emergency Radio Network. Its accesible through your radio via citywide.
Now you know.
If this was a chase, somebody is gonna take a major suspension for this. Other than a Murder, the G.O. doesn't allow a chase to go as far as places like Elgin.
Give me the General Order that states the chase can only be in the account of a murder to show how far a chase can go. Show me an order that states how far a chase can go. Do me a favor, shut up!
I have a feeling this may go badly for whoever allowed it to go on as long and as far as it did.
Might be some mitigiting circumstances.
Anonymous said...
OT. Shots fired by the police in 004. Nobody hit but offender in custody and loaded 9mm semi auto recovered. Please be safe out there all..
7/15/2009 06:26:00 AM
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Did they revoke the perp's FOID card as well?
EVERY DISTRICT THAT BORDERS A SUBURB AS ATLEAST ONE CAR WIRTH ISPERN
"...that in the chase have ISBRN?"
I don't think that ANY CPD cars have ISBRN..."
It's ISPERN, but that was close. How far outside the city do the radios go? I wonder if the Tollway will send I-PASS violations for not paying the toll.
great job! way to let the chase continue until the bad guy was caught......good police work.
Don't give Garrido too much credit. He's already trying to pass the buck and blame the watch commander for letting it go. Typical politician.
Another euro-trash twice convicted dope dealer, who happens to be on two probations. While on a 24 month probation, he was convicted again and received another 12 months probation. ASAs and judges not doing what they're supposed to again.
After all these arrests this 20year old believes the system is all bullshit. He needs to go to the 'big house' for awhile.
It's ISPRN Genious!!.....You must be one of those brilliant dispatchers?
Nice job!!! 12:27, I had a chase go for 32 miles, in the rain, ABS was new at the time, and learned they work great. Best part was when the rape offender, drove us right back to his own home, crashed into his own fence in the alley, jumped out running with NO pants!!! It was at 2 in the morning though, and a sgt. tried to stop it, but the lt. said to let it go.
the dispatcher was only asking about ispern in the car because her supervisor was behind her telling her to ask that... dispatchers know better, but you guys know when a supervisor is behind you telling you to do something, you do it... so do we... Good job to the POs... as long as you come home safely and no innocent bystanders get hurt, I don't care what goes on...
Anyone know why they were chasing them. As someone else said, I hope, for their sake, it was for a murder, preferably of a prominent citizen. Even that might not help. Nice work, but WOW!!
john "brass balls" garrido = a real true boss
I was one of the detectives who was at the scene out in Elgin. All the officers involved did an OUTSTANDING JOB. And as a side note I would like you to know how much the COOK COUNTY STATES ATTORNEYS ARE TRULY A BUNCH OF STROKES. Since the shooting took place in Kane County the Kane County States Attorney's Office was contacted...After a THREE MINUTE PHONE CALL ALL CHARGES WERE APPROVED. THAT'S RIGHT, A THREE FUCKING MINUTE PHONE CALL, no dipshit stupid fucking ASAs came to the scene and had to interview everyone three thousand fucking times, no ASAs having to call one of their dumb ass supervisors and repeat the story a hundred fucking times, nothing. A THREE MINUTE phone call that's all it took. Kudos to the Kane County States Attorney's Office and A BIG FUCK YOU TO THE COOK COUNTY STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE for being the pukes you truly are. And one more thing, A BIG THANK YOU to the Elgin P.D. and the Illinois State Police for all their help.
Regarding below:
"hit the highway for a good 20 minutes. Whoever let it go, you have a pair of big brass ones."
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YES!
No other than 2560; LT. Johnny Garrido.. future midnight Lt. in 004.
. . . oh, also future Cook County Board President.
If this is the mush that let that shit go for a narcotic "investigation," he should be taking 10 days and be glad no innocent civilians got killed. Imagine your wife and kids out on a nice summer night from getting ice cream and BAM!! one of them gets slammed by the offenders, or even worse, a squad car. Not cool then, no brass balls then, believe me folks, it's not worth it for that. Now, if an officer gets injured or killed, it's on!!!!
what was the chase for, a bag of weed? did the driver kill someone? how did the officer come to shot the offender? did he have a gun? WTF? Inquiring minds want to know? Read your G.Os on traffic pursuits people. They're there for your protection as well as to fuck you. Out of communication with oemc? terminate. Thats for your safety! Cant wait to see the memo from DUGAN on this one. STAY SAFE
OT; License plate fees went up $1.00from $78 to $79 July 1st 2009 for Illinois State Police Equipment?
Maybe they can loan us a few of their old ISPERN Radios?
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well enjoy that 20 day vacation at least you get three free on the city, btw thats like 5 police shootings in three days, index that crime statistic and reclassify it.... that'll be tricky but you do it for everything else
In response to, "Whoever let it go, you have a pair of big brass ones."
"Whoever let it go, you took a major risk of getting sued royaly!"
Just thank God nobody got killed because of your stupidity. All this over some dope transaction. Your colleagues are praising you today, but maybe next time you authorize such a stupid move you won't be so lucky. The department doesn't want us to chase because of the potential liability involved. Thats why the lawsuit and possible imprisonment would be on you. Think about it!
This was some great police work, nice to hear it still happens sometimes. Everybody be safe out there.
Quote of the night: Zone12 dispatcher "Do the car [incomunicado] that in the chase have ISBRN?"
I don't think that ANY CPD cars have ISBRN in them. Don't these dispatchers have a clue?!?!?!!?
Certain district vehicles do have Isbrn....you get a clue
One pedestrian hit. Camera in cars rolling as unmarked led chase. Supervisors had brass balls but p.o's with 3 yrs on really put them in trick bag. Dummies!
Dispatchers know about them because they need to check the once a week to make sure they are working. Ask the guys in 24 about ispern checks.
-not a dispatcher
7/15/2009 08:17:00 AM
but not that 'not a dispatcher'
Fuck ISPERN, I want SCMODS.
State
County
Municipal
Offender
Data
System
It's ISPRN Genious!!.....You must be one of those brilliant dispatchers?
7/15/2009 02:35:00 PM
Hey Funboy, learn how to spell.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
If this was a chase, somebody is gonna take a major suspension for this. Other than a Murder, the G.O. doesn't allow a chase to go as far as places like Elgin.
7/15/2009 12:27:00 AM
How about Attempt Murder of a Police Officer, Nimrod? Does that do it for you?
And since when does the G.O. specify that you can't chase to places "like Elgin". Is it too dangerous there for us or something?
Go back to your desk at IAD and study for your Inspector's exam.
7/15/2009 10:03:00 AM
Why is it that P.O.'s like you love to call names like "Nimrod", "idiot", "go back to your desk at IAD", etc....
Can't we disagree with each other but be civil to each other? Also, name calling and hurling insults is indicative of someone who can not process logical thoughts and present a cogent argument.
Fuck these foreigner Euro-Trash for coming to our country and violating our laws. It seems to me that in the area of Foster/Harlem there are a lot of these Euro-Trash running around with a reckless disregard for the law.
Look, I too am a son of immigrants (I think none of us here are Native Americans). Yet if you want to come here just to violate our laws, then we should send your ass back to your country! End of discussion.
The news media is already all over this and they are calling for BIG investigations! Stop congratulating yourselves - this wasn't good and supervisors are in big trouble.
Because no one got hurt and civilians didn't get hurt or killed, everyone is giving each other high fives. But imagine if some family got killed in I-90? The P.O.'s involved would have a lot of explaining to do!
According to G.O. and common sense if you lose radio communication then the chase is over! Also remember that if you don't follow G.O.'s and departmental directives then you are open to prosecution and personal liability.
Just something to think about! But I am glad it all worked out!
go to city wide for on your radio automatically gets ispern message across,
The watch commander (not the tac Lt) is responsible for monitoring all police activities during each watch. The idiot who was the watch commander should be held the most responsible for not terminating and placing the troops at risk of future lawsuits. Who was that dumb m....f..ker?? Put him / her in 004.
Please stop giving details and making comments both good and bad. Plenty of Law Firms troll this site!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't give them inside info regarding this incedent, fuck the lawyers!!! Please...please don't post info, the Sun Times will be all over it and it will be front page news beacause of what people might have heard or because of an opinion, write or wrong. Keep it in house!!! Everybody bitches about lawyers,,,don't give them the ammo!!
GOOD POLICE WORKzoom>>zoom>>>>>>>>>
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Fuck ISPERN, I want SCMODS.
State
County
Municipal
Offender
Data
System
7/15/2009 06:56:00 PM
Fuck SCMODS, I want a new
contract!
Any beat car that borders a suburb was suppose to have an ISPERN radio installed. But you know how that falls by the wayside.
hit the highway for a good 20 minutes. Whoever let it go, you have a pair of big brass ones."
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YES!
No other than 2560; LT. Johnny Garrido.. future midnight Lt. in 004.
. . . oh, also future Cook County Board President.
THIS WAS WRONG IN SO MANY WAYS. "BRASS BALLS" HAS PUT THIS YOUNG COPPERS FUTURE IN QUESTION. YOU ALL THINK THIS IS JUST GREAT NOW, WAIT TILL THE DEPOSITIONS START. WE'LL SEE HOW BIG YOUR BALLS ARE THEN. AS OF THIS AFTERNOON ISP CAME TO THEIR SENSES AND WERE DOING EVERYTHING POSIBLE TO MINIMIZE THEIR INVOLVEMENT. THEY EVEN TRIED TO GIVE ALL THE EVIDENCE BACK TO FORENSICS THAT THE DEPUTY TURNED OVER TO THEM.
Just thank God nobody got killed because of your stupidity. All this over some dope transaction. Your colleagues are praising you today, but maybe next time you authorize such a stupid move you won't be so lucky. The department doesn't want us to chase because of the potential liability involved. Thats why the lawsuit and possible imprisonment would be on you. Think about it!
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This is whats go to change. I hope my body isn't in the back of the trunk and your too much of a pussy to try and save me, fuck getting sued, the liability is on the dept, and its there fault cook county can't lay where the blame should be, the person taking off and ignoring state law the offender driving the car.
Anonymous said...
If this was a chase, somebody is gonna take a major suspension for this. Other than a Murder, the G.O. doesn't allow a chase to go as far as places like Elgin.
7/15/2009 12:27:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You must work for the Superintendent's policy group.
Had that offender crashed into a family of four on their way to Great America, YOU WOULD BE GOING TO PRISON!
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wow, read state law, in the act of commiting a felony if someone is killed due to a police officers actions the first degree murder upon the offender. 720 ILCS 5/9-6
Nice job to all involved...A big Go Fuck yourself to all the cowards who jump on the "I aint doin shit bandwagon" It is understandable to "slow" down a bit in this fucked up time..but when shit happens the "real" police step up.And by "real" I dont mean where you work,I mean you ACT like the police.
To those who say "fuck chasing them for dope" think about this...do dope dealers carry guns? Say they let this shitbird go..and a week,month or year later this same shitbird kills a innocent or a Police Officer..then what?? Who is to blame for that?
Unless you were there and involved do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut
And again GOOD JOB OFFICERS
I'm one of the officers who was on the tollway searching for the dope, we had little flashlights that were of no use, then up comes a SGT. who is in charge of our light truck and immediately began to take charge and help us out alot, many thanks to him, then this truck pulled up and lit up the whole area, what a life saver, we had no boss out there with us and this Sgt. took control like a real pro, I don't know his name but he was great, some Greek last name with a first name of Nick, anyway he walked the road with us reovering the dope, once again Thanks to you and your crew with the light truck.
Unless you actually monitored the chase yourself, any negative opinion of it is ignorant. We should expect that from the media; not each other.
I work in 025 and on the nigh this happened, I was all gung ho and happy. But as time went on and I was able to reflect on this matter I came to a different conclusion.
This was just plain old stupidity. First of all, the Watch Commander is supposed to listen to all radio communications. But everyone knows that he is an idiot who has a hard time listening to the radio.
Second, the P.O.'s involved should have exercised better judgment.
Everyone is lucky that no innocent civilians got killed. Because if they did, then it would have been time for another benefit at Benefit and Central (I mean Grand and Central).
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/07/chicago-police-involved-in-shooting-in-elgin.html
On breaking news there were a few negative comments, but many, many more positive comments on great job these officers did. I really hope the public is starting to see the light and let the police be the police.
Guys and Gals I understand you want to get the bad guy and Im sure he tried to hurt one of you. I am glad you are safe. But please keep in mind that J-fed and Kirby will not only throw u under the bus, they will drive it and make sure you are hurt. I never want to see other brothers and sister in blue get hurt ever.
just sit inside your bedroom all day from morning till night. Now imagine doing that every day for the next 10 years
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how true
"what was the chase for, a bag of weed? did the driver kill someone? how did the officer come to shot the offender? did he have a gun? WTF? Inquiring minds want to know? Read your G.Os on traffic pursuits people. They're there for your protection as well as to fuck you. Out of communication with oemc? terminate. Thats for your safety! Cant wait to see the memo from DUGAN on this one. STAY SAFE
7/15/2009 04:53:00 PM"
Chuckie G., is that you?
"john "brass balls" garrido = a real true boss"
What?!?!!?!?! This idiot better put himself on a North Ave foot post! He sould be out there for a McMillion days! LOL!
Wanted for Narcotics????
Roscoe and Mobile (way too close to home) covert car involved, att murder of PO with auto.
I'm guessing buy/bust for coke. C/I ordered up, enforcement came in and dude broke and ran...tried to run over the police....chase is on!
How much dope??
please tell me more than an oz, at least 4 1/2 or 9 piece.
Wow! I never realized how many liberal pussies we have on this job. I hope and pray, that if anything happens to myself, my partner, a co-worker, or family member, that these monday morning quarterbacks, are off that day. You wear a vest and carry a gun. You aren't afraid of bullets, but you are afraid of negative publicity and lawsuits.
If you wanted to be popular, and loved by the public, you should have joined the fire department.
"A big Go Fuck yourself to all the cowards who jump on the "I aint doin shit bandwagon"
Right back @ You Tackleberry.Why don't you bring a sleeping Bag to the Station that way you won't miss out on anything STROKE!!
It's ISPRN Genious!!.....You must be one of those brilliant dispatchers?
7/15/2009 02:35:00 PM
WRONG...Dumbass
"Dope is for dopes; The idiots that use it, the idiots that sell it and the idiot coppers who chase the idiots that use it and sell it."
~ quote from Retired Sgt. Bill (The Worm) Kasinak (025)
. . . God Bless Him.
Monday morning quarterbacks...
Good job 025.
ISPERN radios are in every police vehicle in the state (all states) except for CPD (Only border districts have them). Problem with using CW for ISPERN relays is that once you are out of range of CPD towers you have no radio...Period. You need a separate radio for ISPERN for effective communications so if you end up in Rockford next time you can talk to someone.
Border towns have CPD zone radios but these are not effective if the car is out of range of the zone.
Unless you actually monitored the chase yourself, any negative opinion of it is ignorant. We should expect that from the media; not each other.
7/15/2009 11:26:00 PM
Ring, Ring....hellllllooooo...clue phone......... yes, it's for you:
Telling someone to not have/voice an opinion whether it's positive OR negative is what is ignorant.
Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice job to all involved...A big Go Fuck yourself to all the cowards who jump on the "I aint doin shit bandwagon" It is understandable to "slow" down a bit in this fucked up time..but when shit happens the "real" police step up.And by "real" I dont mean where you work,I mean you ACT like the police.
To those who say "fuck chasing them for dope" think about this...do dope dealers carry guns? Say they let this shitbird go..and a week,month or year later this same shitbird kills a innocent or a Police Officer..then what?? Who is to blame for that?
Unless you were there and involved do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut
And again GOOD JOB OFFICERS
7/15/2009 10:42:00 PM
Hope all is well to the P.O.'s but you are one soft "Real Police Officer!" Wake up Rambo!
Because no one got hurt and civilians didn't get hurt or killed, everyone is giving each other high fives. But imagine if some family got killed in I-90? The P.O.'s involved would have a lot of explaining to do!
According to G.O. and common sense if you lose radio communication then the chase is over! Also remember that if you don't follow G.O.'s and departmental directives then you are open to prosecution and personal liability.
Just something to think about! But I am glad it all worked out!
7/15/2009 07:39:00 PM
This person is exactly right! Read the GO! The resonsibilty is on the P.O. not the sup. There is a balancing test and the brass will throw you under the SPACE SHUTTLE if they can! We don't need any more benefits for the working cop. It's not worth it anymore for this ungratefull city!
Just thank God nobody got killed because of your stupidity. All this over some dope transaction. Your colleagues are praising you today, but maybe next time you authorize such a stupid move you won't be so lucky. The department doesn't want us to chase because of the potential liability involved. Thats why the lawsuit and possible imprisonment would be on you. Think about it!
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This is whats go to change. I hope my body isn't in the back of the trunk and your too much of a pussy to try and save me, fuck getting sued, the liability is on the dept, and its there fault cook county can't lay where the blame should be, the person taking off and ignoring state law the offender driving the car.
7/15/2009 10:02:00 PM
As a citizen,I say great fucking job.Who knows if this prick killed someone two hours before or had a little boy or girl in his trunk.Serve and Protect ? there are no where near enough to protect us,and when you get a chance to nail a scum, you might take time off !!!Yes,it could have had a tragic end,but that would not be the fault of the Police.These pricks,are shooting,dealing,right in front of you,and your fucked up higher ups,are worried about law suits ??I,work this city everyday,the shit parts,not many decent spots left,and I,need you to protect.So fuck everyone who is worried about time or lawsuits,as a citizen,I need and want your help at all costs.And an extra special FUCK YOU to SHORTSHANKS,who wont pay you what you deserve.
A.Citizen
If this was a chase, somebody is gonna take a major suspension for this. Other than a Murder, the G.O. doesn't allow a chase to go as far as places like Elgin.
7/15/2009 12:27:00 AM
Read it again junior. Know your general orders people, those involved will be just fine.
The chase policy is in place due to litigtion. Blame the lawyers, not the bosses. Like the rest of the restrictions placed on the working police, the chase policy is a product of the new litigious society. Society, as they say, gets the Police Department it deserves. Nothing will change without tort reform.
It's up to the supervisors to monitor their subordinates. You cannot tell them to go, go, go ,and expect them to shut it off. Supervisors are responsible for keeping a lid on things. It's not popular to call chases, but it's what they are paid for. They didn't do their job and failed the Officers when they were needed most that day.
Had that offender crashed into a family of four on their way to Great America, YOU WOULD BE GOING TO PRISON!
That would be pretty fucking bad!! Especially since Great America in off of I-94 you dumb fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is whats go to change. I hope my body isn't in the back of the trunk and your too much of a pussy to try and save me, fuck getting sued, the liability is on the dept, and its there fault cook county can't lay where the blame should be, the person taking off and ignoring state law the offender driving the car.
7/15/2009 10:02:00 PM
If you only realized how much you have to lose.
It's not over for those officers involved. It won't be for a very long time. I hope all works out well in the end, but only when it's all over should you ask them if it was worth it.
To all those who want to second guess and pass judgment on a young police officer who stood the line and did not falter I ask you "are you the same ones who cry and carry on when a fellow officer is shot down and declare how he or she was your best friend when you hardly knew them or talked behind their backs"? You should be ashamed of yourself. With all that the mayor, J-fed the media and the public have been doing to this Honorable Police Department you should be supporting the office like we once did did on this job, as brothers, as a unified force. We are not talking about coppers who beat up a female bartender or raided dope dealers homes and took their cash and drugs for themselves. I would be the first to speak out against them. Sure, there could have been an innocent killed or injured. But what would you say if he supplied your kid with drugs and ruined their life and yours. Different story then. This was a tollway, not a busy city street. If your going to be the police be the police. Support each other. If not find another job. Everyone should know their limits.
Thank you officer and to all those on the scene who supported and assisted, the Police Detectives, Supervisors, FOP Representive, the Elgin Police Department, the State Police, the Elgin paramedics, the emergency staff at Sherman Hospital, and the Kane County States Attorney, Thank you. And if a lawsuit comes down, what better show of support could there be than for all of you to stand and say "I would have done the same thing" Remember, your the expert in law enforcement, your the expert witness.
The entire OD chain of command should and likely will take a hit for this as well as the PO's involved. This comes under the Berretta theory of law enforcement: "If you're gonna do the crime be prepared to do the time!
Letting a chase go on this long may be a great morale booster, but its also a "f**K you" to the department's policy makers. Whether you agree with it or not it is the department policy which as supervisors we are charged with enforcing.
Garrido isn't the only one who let that chase go on. Anyone could have called it off including the P.O.'s who initiated it. Any watch sgt., lt., or W/C whether in the officer's direct line or not could have called it off. Likely that everyone is going to have to answer for the failure to take action.
This dept has had a long history of terminating chases when the public benefit doesn't outway the public safety issues. Also it sounds like an UC was running the chase, another violation of policy.
I wonder is everyone would feel the same if a couple of P.O.'s had been killed in all of this.
Clout rules. Whose your phone call?
"I don't care if an order was violated or not this is how it should be done PERIOD. You run you go to jail.
Area 5 Det."
If someone is killed or injured in the process,& YOU THE OFFICER are found to be negligent YOU GO TO JAIL PERIOD. No problem, thank for playin DICK.
I liked sgt Kaz and those are noble words. But when you get one of those gang/drug lords on your block, your going to want one of those crazy Coppers to f*k with him.
Section 8 is going to change everyone's world, including GEORGE JEFFERSON PK.....
Now that the backslapping and the high-fiving is over, think about this...your wife, your family was on that extension. The fool being chased is too busy looking behind to see that he is approaching the rear of your family minivan or SUV...when you get a call at work.
"come on down to the hospital, it's real bad...' How would you have felt then? And this fool was driving recklessly, and the Police were chasing him for...dope? Drugs? Isn't that the war we all know we've LOST? Is it worth losing your family, or someone's innocent family, to some asshole hell bent on getting away on an interstate? And what about the danger to the pursuing officers?
How does all of this stack up against or super restrictive chase policy? Think "the good" of making that arrest outweighed "the bad" that, only through the intervention of God, didn't happen?This could have easily turned into another deep embarrassment for our Dept, and we're not even going to discuss the litigation nightmare this could have turned into. Everyone who was actively involved in this was really, really lucky, whether you know it or not.
Nice job to all involved...A big Go Fuck yourself to all the cowards who jump on the "I aint doin shit bandwagon" It is understandable to "slow" down a bit in this fucked up time..but when shit happens the "real" police step up.And by "real" I dont mean where you work,I mean you ACT like the police.
To those who say "fuck chasing them for dope" think about this...do dope dealers carry guns? Say they let this shitbird go..and a week,month or year later this same shitbird kills a innocent or a Police Officer..then what?? Who is to blame for that?
Unless you were there and involved do us all a favor and keep your mouth shut
And again GOOD JOB OFFICERS
RE: Nicely said, Couldn't have said it better my self.
Some people don't get it until they feel it.
Figures it would be some 3 year 025 district wonder to do something so insanely cool and insanely stupid.. and a 025 supervisor to back it up...
Boys and Girls wake up.. Nothing is worth losing your home, job and life.. This is not the department of the old days where I would say go out there and get 'em..
its I.S.P.E.R.N 155.475 Mhz with a statewide PL tone of 203.5 which allows for a UHF simulcast on 470.5375 Mhz and MOST CPD cars dont have it. Collar cars "might" have it. And we all know the number to the ad desk. I can it now. Hi speed chase,cant get a signal,blue tooth fails,gas tanker in front of you.........
There are good reasons to decide in advance how this kind of thing will be handled. one of those reasons is os that the whole situation can be considered without the pressure of having to make a decision in a few seconds.
If this was a clear violation of policy, I don't see how those who chose to violate policy, or those who allowed it to go on can escape some kind of punishment. Nor should they.
Personally, as a non-cop, any time a chase happens the only really important thing as far as I am concerned is that no bystanders get hurt, at least most of the time. Letting an unmarked car run the chase is an an incredible act of stupidity on the part of those in charge, even if the chase itself is necessary.
IMO, a few supervsiors ought to get some time off and the guys doing the driving should get a written warning.
7/16 @ 9:15.....Mabye YOU should read the general order on chase policy sport.....Everybody WILL NOT BE JUST FINE.....I am a supervisor and I would NEVER have allowed that chase to go where it ended up....WHY??? Because I am a jagoff!! I said it first before you said it... Because the general order says "If you loose radio contact with OEMC the chase will be immediately terminated" I in my infinate wisdom know that chases on a highway never end well.....as people don't know how to react when they see blue lights in their mirrors...especially on a highway!! They will slam on the brakes in front of you....I have a cardinal rule...NEVER...NEVER use blue lights on a highway unless you are on the shoulder.....Secondly....The chase was too far out for a normal thinking supervisor to "think" that OEMC would be able to hear them on a zone radio....Thirdly...Chasing for dope is NEVER allowed per the general order....NEVER...It is NOT a forceable felony....nobody's life is in danger....and there is NO IMMEDIATE reason to apprehend that individual except for your own personal glory...YES ALL INVOLVED WILL NOT.....I repeat.....NOT BE OK... THEY WILL ALL TAKE TIME...Including the boneheaded watch commander who allowed this chase to continue!! MORON. I am sure that LT DR will protect the members of the elite "Cobra or Spanish Task Force" though as they could shit in his mouth and he would love every drop... All in all...Nice arrest but bad decision...My job as a supervisor is to keep you...the officers from getting sued and loosing everything you have worked for...you don't like it ...tough shit...I didn't write the order...I am not terminating it because I do not like chases...I am terminating it because the 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper says so....I enjoy a good chase...and still get involved in them...but this one was a poor decision...I can't make this one right for the officers involved and no boss can...I failed to do my primary job....protect the officers that work for me...read the order and you will see...Ask yourself How can this be justified by the order? and then you will see....YES they will take time...
OUTSTANDING JOB ON THE CHASE. Now to all the "G.O." backers,and the spineless liability aware PUSSYS on this post, They did what the Police and I mean the REAL police were supposed to do.The rest of you can armchair til the contract is in place but in the end they did a hell of a job. Sometimes you just gotta jump in the shit storm and worry about the stains later. GOOD JOB OFFICE! COMMENDABLE..
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There are good reasons to decide in advance how this kind of thing will be handled. one of those reasons is os that the whole situation can be considered without the pressure of having to make a decision in a few seconds.
If this was a clear violation of policy, I don't see how those who chose to violate policy, or those who allowed it to go on can escape some kind of punishment. Nor should they.
Personally, as a non-cop, any time a chase happens the only really important thing as far as I am concerned is that no bystanders get hurt, at least most of the time. Letting an unmarked car run the chase is an an incredible act of stupidity on the part of those in charge, even if the chase itself is necessary.
IMO, a few supervsiors ought to get some time off and the guys doing the driving should get a written warning.
7/17/2009 12:58:00 PM
Mr or ms not a cop;
one. We cannot decide the outcome of an unpredictable situation before it occurs. There are a tremendous amount of variables, and a person simply cannot predict their reaction in a split second situation.
It's not a pre-written script, and we act for our own self preservation. We act on our instincts, our training.
Two, who are you to dole out imaginary punishment? Thank you, mr or ms not a cop, probably not familiar with our procedures, our duties, our g.o.'s for your two cents in who should get what kind of discipline. Thanks for the written warning suggestion... you know it all, I suppose.
But hey, you pay my salary. Whatever you say goes, I guess.
Two, who are you to dole out imaginary punishment? Thank you, mr or ms not a cop, probably not familiar with our procedures, our duties, our g.o.'s for your two cents in who should get what kind of discipline. Thanks for the written warning suggestion... you know it all, I suppose.
But hey, you pay my salary. Whatever you say goes, I guess.
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You might note the very low level of punishment I suggested was in order. If policy was violated, punishment is in order, regardless of the testosterone level of the cops involved.
If I were in charge, I would be mostly pissed at the supervisors that allowed it to happen. One of the number one jobs of police supervisors is to protect the department. They failed at that. They also failed in another one of their important jobs - protecting street cops from their own stupidity.
This could just as easily ended up with a school bus full of children being run off the road. Everyone involved should thank their lucky stars no innocent citizens were harmed in this fiasco.
"This could just as easily ended up with a school bus full of children being run off the road. Everyone involved should thank their lucky stars no innocent citizens were harmed in this fiasco."
A school bus at 2100 hrs? That is part of the General Order mr. lawyer...for the supervisor to consider these things, and I guess they assummed there would be no school buses at that time? Listen, EVETYTHING we do could have a liability for the City, but the real police take a little risk. Risk like a pursuit of a drug dealer with a large amount of cocaine and a gun.
What if's??? What if we let him go and those drugs end up killing someone, or getting your son/daughter hooked on it? What if he uses that gun, again and again? This was great police work - thank God we still have some that act, and not just sit in front of their computer and play Monday morning quarterback!
OUTSTANDING JOB ON THE CHASE. Now to all the "G.O." backers,and the spineless liability aware PUSSYS on this post, They did what the Police and I mean the REAL police were supposed to do.The rest of you can armchair til the contract is in place but in the end they did a hell of a job. Sometimes you just gotta jump in the shit storm and worry about the stains later. GOOD JOB OFFICE! COMMENDABLE..
yeah good job on the chase but it is what it is. no matter which way you put it they violated the departments chase policy. They did good work and got the bad guy but its not gonna turn out too good for them. the department has no other option except to find that the chase was non- compliant because of how many rules were violated. that is going to trickle down all the way to the criminal trial for the bad guy then for the civil trial for the bad guy. the number one thing the defense is going to push is that these officers shot this guy who they shouldnt have been chasing in the first place. they are going to bring up how the even the city stated these officers acted "recklessly" and were "maliciously out to get this guy" and all the other non sense. im not bashing these officers one bit. i think they have some balls and caught the bad guy. im just saying that I was put in this same situation and i was put through the ringer. Im still here and they will be too, but the next few years are gonna be a little nerve racking and filled with department b.s. and the criminal and civil trail are not going to be pretty either especially if there is a jury trial. good work officers, but take it from a guy who went trhough the same thing, its gonna be a wild ride for a little bit.
ever heard of a 19paul??? sounds like one to me..goin back to the hole!!!
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