Out at 55 a Reality
- The city of Chicago and the Fraternal Order of Police have agreed on a change that will allow officers to retire five years earlier with full medical benefits--providing millions of dollars in savings to the city during the current budget crisis, officials said.
Beginning in November, officers can retire at age 55, compared to the current 60, and still get premium-free health care benefits until they qualify for Medicare. Families are also included.The change is expected to result in a several hundred officers leaving over the next couple of years, in addition to those already planning to retire. It also comes at a time when hiring has slowed during the city's general budget woes.
The department is also expecting federal grant money to allow for hiring in the coming months.
That last line intrigues us. There are something like 46 recruits in the Academy. There were supposed to be 200 this year. Even if the federal money appeared out of thin air tomorrow with no strings attached, there's no one in the pipeline. The last entrance test was given 3 years ago. We haven't even heard of a test being planned. The last POWER test was given over 6 months ago, so the results probably aren't any good any more.
Now with "55 for coverage" being a reality, we can realistically expect 250 to 300 additional retirements around the end of the year. A bunch of the old timers are going to bid their furloughs and leave. A good win for the FOP, but if you think we were shorthanded already, buckle in for 2010. That's not being pessimistic - that's dealing with the reality of the hiring process. We are actually hoping for this to be the trigger for re-districting
Now with "55 for coverage" being a reality, we can realistically expect 250 to 300 additional retirements around the end of the year. A bunch of the old timers are going to bid their furloughs and leave. A good win for the FOP, but if you think we were shorthanded already, buckle in for 2010. That's not being pessimistic - that's dealing with the reality of the hiring process. We are actually hoping for this to be the trigger for re-districting
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
267 Comments:
what exactaly does this mean to us. i know it sounds good but does this mean that we no longer have to retire for full benefits after 29years and a day or is this just to be insured for health care. im pretty unfamiliar with the whole thing. my situation is this. i came on at 24. my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years.... yes, i know that I sound mentally handicapped for writing this, but someone that is more familiar with this please explain all of the pros and cons of this change.
When I retire at 55 I will have 30 yrs. on the job. Doesnt shorten my career but I'll take the medical coverage.
I'll believe that when it's on paper!
There's some of us who jumped through all of the hoops and are still waiting to get hired on from the last test. I don't know how many others are still out there and interested/in shape but I know I am. Also, does anyone know if this grant money is already allocated for the city and has a disbursement date or if it's just a promise?
I've read 100's of posts how the deadweight do-nothing greybeards need pack their bags for greener pastures. Sounds lie the hairgels got their wish. Think there's already been brain drain, you aint seen nothing yet. Time to man up know-it-alls, show us what you Got.
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
Only problem with this is that now the City's lawyers and the arbitrator will say "See? We worked with you. Now how about giving up 5 unpaid furlough days?" Or "How about forgetting about that retroactive pay?"
FLOP better be on their best game. We can't afford to give this fucking Mayor/City a thing because we'll NEVER get it back once it's given away.
And my sincerest congratulations to those who are gonna pull the pin based on this revelation.
Don't forget the agreement also allows for a spread-out over three years to pay out time on the books after retirement.
SCC :
you even made this good news a negative one...
Yes we are short on manpower... We're hoping the grant will come through and the process of hiring is in the works...by 2010 well by the middle of the year the shortage is expected to be well above 550 but not more than 700...
By late 2011 that number will decrease by 150-200 as the grant will only pay for the first 3 our of 5 years the program is set for...
The big question is:
how many is the city willing to hire from now until 2011?
Spread this news ..,
Re-District:
OH I Get it: 1611, 1612,2211, 811,812 get much much bigger.
How about base property tax rates on 911 calls by zipcode. You pay for YOUR service-------wow a crazy idea.
This is very good news!
When I hit 55, I am gone!!! Not that long to go now!
This is both good and bad news.
The good news is early retirement and the bad news is early retirement.
Wisconsin cops (and virtually all public employees) are in a very good state retirement system. Protective employees can go out, I heard, at 50 with reduced benefits and 53 will full. With doing some part-time gigs some Wisconsin retirees make as much or more than they did working.
The down side is that there's been huge turnover at some department and there are too many rookies on patrol and an awful lot of young supervisors. A Kenosha deputy told me something like 20-30% of their patrol is made up of probationary deputies. I'd be a little scared with that ratio.
A statewide pension system doesn't handcuff you to one department. Wisconsin's is so good that one guy up around Lake Geneva who worked a few years in Iowa said he was able to get his Iowa time rolled into Wisconsin.
I was down at Disney and a Florida deputy said they have a deal where you can "retire" at like 50 and then work another five years while collecting your pension at the same time. There are no additional contributions going into your pension.
55 is good but 50 with 25 years of service would be even better. Just watch out for all the kids!
Fucking A baby!!! Now I might actually get a 6A furlough!!
LATER OLD TIMERS!!!
Enjoy Retirement!!!
Read it twice: A "required"number of "eligible" officers file at a "pre-determined" time.......If the queen had nuts she would be the king.
Officers who retire at age 55-59 obtain the same benefits identified in 25.2 when a required number of eligible officers file for retirement at a pre-determined time prior to retirement;
Officers who retire at age 55-59 obtain the same benefits identified in 25.2 when a required number of eligible officers file for retirement at a pre-determined time prior to retirement;
Ah, but read the fine print. If this is agreed to you will no longer be able to sell back all your CE at once, you will get it back in full only you have been retired for three years - see below taken directly from FOP website:
All final compensations [Furlough Days, Baby Furlough Days, Personal Days, FLSA overtime] shall be paid out at time of retirement including up to $10,000.00 of non FLSA overtime [50% of all eligible retirees fall into this category];
On or before March 1st of the calendar year following retirement the retiree will receive $15,000.00 and one third of any remaining overtime;
On or before March 1st of the second calendar year following retirement the retiree will receive up to $20,000.00 and one half of any remaining overtime;
On or before March 1st of the third calendar year following retirement the retiree will receive any remaining compensation for accumulated overtime;
here in lies the rub, the city is counting on a lot of us kicking the bucket before we have the opportunity to collect our rightfully earned OT. Now don't get me wrong, I like the whole 55 and out with healthcare idea, I just don't like the idea that the city is going to keep all that OT. Fact of the matter is, a large percentage of retirees die within 5 years of retirement. I would like to see just how many and how soon after retirement they passed on. I would be willing to bet it is a high percentage and it is closer to three years than it is to five years. Just food for thought.
"We are actually hoping for this to be the trigger for re-districting"
Nothing will happen till after Oct. Wait and see if we get "Da Limpicks" or not...
Is it true that this 55-59 age deal is only good until 2012, at which time it will have to be brought to the table again?
I think this needs a little more explanation. What if i retire at age 50. Do i then pay for my own health care till i'm 55 and then can hop on the wagon?
If i came on when i was 22, that means i'd have to do 33 years before i can retire and get the health care?
They have to be going to 10-hour days with the lack of manpower they are going to have.
Can i just say this to some of the really old timers that have 30+ years on... Please retire. Not that we don't love having you guys around b/c personally i do. I love hearing the old stories and i love the old school police, BUT don't let the city get the best of you. You worked a long career dealing with the worst this society has to offer. Now take some time to enjoy life again. The way it should be lived. Wake up whenever you want and do whatever you want every day. Like the summer vacations when we were kids. Don't retire and only get 1 year outta the pension you paid into for 30 some years, or worse die before you get to enjoy any of it. Please, you did your time, now go enjoy yourself and your life. Reconnect with old friends, family or just go fishing every day. Just do it before it's too late to and this is the perfect opportunity. Take what's on the table and see what it's like to be a normal citizen again.
Ever feel like you were sold down river? What did we have to give up?
redistricting so u wont have to peddle to far in 008?
300 is a low estimate-- try 800-900 right off the bat--- personnel better start the hiring process right now--- we need officers on the street ready to go now, not three years from now---
"...retire at age 55, compared to the current 60, and still get premium-free health care benefits until they qualify for Medicare"
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Can someone please go into a little detail on this?
For instance, what did a retiring cop get at 60 that he did not get at 55?
At 55 you had to pay 100% of your insurance? And at 60 the city kicked in again?
Age 55 and i'm out with free health benifits? I never wanted to get old fast.
Until now.
Umm...this is only a proposal folks. Don't get excited yet.
yeah, the tradeoff is you can only sell back your hrs 10,000.00/yr or roughly 400 hrs.
the city wins because :
- more ofc's retire early.
- they won't face a huge payout.
- obama will socialize medicine and we will all get "free" medical anyway.
what a victory !
this sucks BADLY ....
now our pension will be DRAINED
bye bye PENSION
good job FOP ...good JOB
why don't you worry about getting the city to pay their bill on the PENSION
did I mention the PENSION?
CAN I HAVE AN EVENT NUMBER?
Thank the Lord, I have prayed for this. I can really see the light at the end of the tunnel. 55 and out.
IM SMOKIN CRACK... RIGHT ... THIS CANT BE TRUE ... WHATS THE CATCH I HAVE TO STAY AND LIVE IN THE CITY?????
Finally the fop did something worth applauding..
heads up! the City is denying health care coverage to retirees' dependants from ages 22-26. The new law for extended coverage only applies to active. So if you want to retire and have kids of this age range they wont be covered!! I learned the hard way. Protest to FOP and they might get it done.
One question: How does the Korshak settlement figure into this benefit. Doesn't the city only guarantee insurance for retirees until the year 2013?
IMO the economy is in the sewer, home values are down 40% ,many gambled with their deferred comp accounts and lost big instead of restricting gambling to casinos. For quite a few this job is their life. This means for every 20 who said they would pull the plug if we got the 55 and out 1 or 2 will. I knew this would be agreed upon and FOP has agreed to what will in effect be a contract with a pay cut for us. I've thought this would happen and the timing of the city announcing the contract is going to arbitration and this coming out a week later is reasonable suspicion enough for me to say the fix is in.
More bullshit smoke and mirrors FOP only works hard to enrich and protect the Detectives. P.O.'s are always screwed. They are good at having golf and fishing outings and getting shit like the Pension Portability passed that nobody will use because who the fuck is going to put $28,000 in to buy a year of service with the pension? Again FOP only takes care of dic's, canine guys, E.T's etc. the average P.O gets nothing but more work. I'm so tired of this shit that at this point all I really care about is getting rid of this fucking 6 day work week.
The academy is not ready or equipped to train at the rate necessary to replace the retired officers. A huge problem is the range. The third largest police department with no range. Only three outlining mini ranges. Inservice training has stopped. Will the mayor actually hire recruits? Even with federal funds he still does not hire.
What will it all mean when they force feed us all national healthcare? what would we have gained?
This costs the City nothing. In fact, it saves them money....a bunch of it.I hope the didn't give up anything
Here's to the 'me, too' clause in PBPA's contract. I'll be leaving as soon as I tie up a few loose ends. Thank you, FOP!
The city will be happy to lop off the top-tier earners and the cost of their benefits and pension contributions, and WE will be happy to oblige them and get out from under the city real estate tax burden, fees and anticipated Olympic overruns.
Those of you on the bubble for promotions, rest assured; you're going to get the spot. We're going to be leaving in droves.
this is good news for now yes...but dont forget they are trying to get federal health care which would drive this cost for the city to cover retirees at the age of 55 to ZERO. dont be surprised to see the city try to put every city employee on federal health care if it passes.
Who is going to pay for the extended health care? The City or the already underfunded pension fund!
C YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mass. Exodus.
Off topic: Could someone check out the German shepherd inventoried in 14 yesterday? Bear? Not Bear?
i may be a skeptic but......it wont matter if this horseshit universal healthcare is passed. we all will be given rationed medical attention. the service or non services will be in control of some goverment ding-dong. does this mean that the city isnt dropping medical coverage in 2013?i smell a rat!
There's some of us who jumped through all of the hoops and are still waiting to get hired on from the last test. I don't know how many others are still out there and interested/in shape but I know I am. Also, does anyone know if this grant money is already allocated for the city and has a disbursement date or if it's just a promise?
7/23/2009 12:16:00 AM
OKAY--
You read this blog and you STILL want to come on this job??? You are DEMENTED. You deserve to be admitted to the circus.
SOOOOO
WHAT DID WE GIVE UP?
FOP SAID THAT THE "55" AND ESCAPE DEAL WAS THE TOP PRIORITY!
WHAT WAS THE SHORTSHANKS!
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. The health care they are talking about is Obama's Soviet style health care program.
Gee, look how well it worked in Russia.
Time to man up know-it-alls, show us what you Got.
7/23/2009 12:33:00 AM
Just shut up and leave, geezer. You're part of the problem.
IM READING THE POST AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS OBVIOUS A MAJORITY OF U DONT HAVE A CLUE!!!
IF UR GOING TO RETIRE GET UR SHIT TOGEATHER! DONT THINK U WALK UP TO UR WATCH COMMANDER AND HAND IN UR RUSTY STAR.
AND IF U CANT WAIT FOR UR LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THE BOOKS USE IT!!!
U R THE SENIOR PERSON IN THE DISTRICTS TAKE ALL THE DAYS OFF!
U WILL STILL GET A UNIFORM CHECK
U WILL STILL GET DUTY AVAILABILITY
U CAN STILL WORK THE AIRPORT AND CTA.
SOMETIME IM GLAD WE DONT VOTE ON EVERYTHING SEEING THESE POST CRACKS ME UP START READING IT IS A GOOD HOBBY!
I'M GONE 8 1/2 COUNTING
Under korshak decision city states no health insurance provided to active/retired members after 2013..how does this effect fop proposal for health insurance for those who retire at 55yrs of age??
Or is the city counting on national health plan to replace current city bc/bs coverage??
Are we negotiating our contract in public, item by item? This is being done because it obviously benefits Shanks.
"Look, I didn't give dem no money but I gave 'em insurance. Dem coppers need to get in da boat."
Donahue's punk ass is in on all this crap too. Just like the city hall march. He knew it was coming so he and Shanks conspired to have it hours before the IOC arrived. Fuckin' Kubuki(Sp) theater, Chicago Style.
The German shepard's name was Klaus and he was herding Heide in the der forest.
Think of all the moey it will save the city...6,000 officers and counting. All that federal money budgeted for 13,500 being pocketed for our own good. You'll see.
The future Dick sees is bad for Jane. Moral of the story: DON"T BE A DICK!
Early retirement. This morning on channel 7 news, they announced this, but also added that the average veteran officer makes 96,000.00 per yr. I want to know where my extra 23000.00 per yr is? Would someone please find out. I could really use it.
Any more lies????
my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years...
No - it means that unless you STAY until the age of 55- you will pay for your own health care until you are 65 or so...
All this does is lower the benefit of staying until 60- which is better and free health care- down to the age of 55
"Only problem with this is that now the City's lawyers and the arbitrator will say "See? We worked with you. Now how about giving up 5 unpaid furlough days?"
Get thee to a union meeting- you haven't a grasp of what happened- - there is no Arbitrator- this isn't an issue that an arbitrator would deal with.
The city came to the Unions with this offer because it benefits them more than it benefits us- what means that we didn't ask for it-or give anything up but agreeing to it helps both parties.
Stop making crap up and get off your couch and get to a union meeting.
My only concern is that in anticipation of the OOOObama Health Care program pending... IF we get the federal health care then I surely hope that FOP did NOT give up anything in trade for this otherwise good thing (55) as then it will be a win-win for Shortshanks and a loss or break even for us, at best.
"I think this needs a little more explanation. What if i retire at age 50. Do i then pay for my own health care till i'm 55 and then can hop on the wagon?"
No- unless you STAY until 55, you don't get the benefit, period!
"Can someone please go into a little detail on this?
For instance, what did a retiring cop get at 60 that he did not get at 55?
At 55 you had to pay 100% of your insurance? And at 60 the city kicked in again?"
If you retired before the age of 60- you got a "budget" version of the BCBS you get now- higher co pays-pay for certain procedures like mammograms out of pocket, etc.
As a reward for staying until 60- the city would let you keep the BCBS you had as a patrolman and pay for it until you are medicare eligible.
This just lowers the age from 60 to 55.
You really need to read up on your retirement benefit and get yourself to a retirement seminar soon! You get to go 3 x in your career- you should go as soon as you are eligible- three or four years before you pull the pin and about 6 months to a year before your actual date of retirement.
PLAN AHEAD!!!!
The department is also expecting federal grant money to allow for hiring in the coming months.
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Like 1994? I will never forgive any officer that approved that.
You disarmed law-abiding citizens for 10 years from having weapons that hoodrats got from Mexico with origins from Yemen and other countries, NOT AMERICAN MADE MODELS!
"now our pension will be DRAINED"
The cost of the health care benefit does not come out of the pension and those people could have retired anyway so it's no more a drain on the pension than you're a drain on society because you work for the government.
As it now stands, if you retire before age 60, you pay your share of medical coverage. It is just about $600 per month for my wife and I. When I reached age 60, the city did not start to pay. I have to pay until I reach medicare age of 65 years. The other bad part, the retirees policy is not as good as the active officers. Many things are not covered and the deductables are higher, prescriptions are higher. Be careful and read the fine print! Remember, the city never gives you anything that they do not have to. But, they love to take things away.
this is great for almost everyone! the only huge downside is that a patrolmen who retires at 50 with 29 years would not receive the same benefit as someone who retires at 55 with 20 years, hopefully the fop can work on this now, maybe getting the same benefit when your maxed out regardless of your age (50-54)
here in lies the rub, the city is counting on a lot of us kicking the bucket before we have the opportunity to collect our rightfully earned OT.
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No its tight in the paper work it goes to your estate, Keep reading numbnuts
federal health care which would drive this cost for the city to cover retirees at the age of 55 to ZERO.
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NOT TRUE, bunch of whining idiots on the job!!!
Westside, Inside Do-Nothing said...
Only problem with this is that now the City's lawyers and the arbitrator will say "See? We worked with you. Now how about giving up 5 unpaid furlough days?" Or "How about forgetting about that retroactive pay?"
Check out the FOP website. We did give back. You will get your comp time back in a three year increment.
Anonymous said...
heads up! the City is denying health care coverage to retirees' dependants from ages 22-26. The new law for extended coverage only applies to active. So if you want to retire and have kids of this age range they wont be covered!! I learned the hard way. Protest to FOP and they might get it done.
7/23/2009 05:52:00 AM
I am sorry to say this by why does your 22-26 year old son or daughter need health care through you? By this age they should already be out of college or would have been in a job since graduating high school.
A 25 child of a city worker sponging of medical of saif worked is no better then all this SSI fucks roaming our streets living for free.
Tell them to get a job
many gambled with their deferred comp accounts and lost big instead of restricting gambling to casinos...
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Its called the stock market asshole
More bullshit smoke and mirrors FOP only works hard to enrich and protect the Detectives. P.O.'s are always screwed.
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ive been a Detective for 3 years, what have they dont for me that they havent done for you??
We have the most ignorant police officers, read a paper listen to talk radio, read a book !!!!!
Actually when you combine this fact, only because it saves a few dollars for the city, with the fact that this is the ONLY time I can ever recall Donahue putting his face on the front page (website) of a media paper, this was likely orchestrated between Dickhead Daley and Donahue to make the general public think "WE" just got a HUGE victory.
Now what's going to happen in arbitration and the public perception when we still intend to enforce ALL our contractual benefits faught for and work for an increase in pay? Are we just going to look like greedy assholes?
You bet, and showing his face and giving an interview like it's a huge victory that's going to benefit us all forever is going to fuck us all royal when it comes to an actual contract with ANY financial improvement.
It's amazing how donahue refuses to talk to the media and lets king shithead say whatever he wants, yet something that's only a gentleman's agreement over the next 3 years he decides he's gonna go all out in the media to tell everyone what a victory this is. It's nothing more than a 3 year "agreement" that can be blown off at any time. Yet it's being lauded as the savior of the other 9 or 10 thousand cops who won't be using it in the next 3 years when it disappears.
The only thing it served to do is create problems during arbitration and create a bad image of the police in the public perception when we continue to discuss and fight for our contractual benefits.
Showing up in the media was a BULLSHIT move by donahue on this issue and it's only purpose is to make us look like greedy bastards if we continue to fight for our pay. His appearance backs us into a public perception corner and the more we fight to get out of it the more pathetic we look to the media, which I'm sure whichever arbitor was picked, reads.
It's a nice 3 year agreement perk, only to save money for the city and only for maybe what, 10% of the department, but it's heralded as a great win for US, not the CITY.
Donahue's a stroke for pulling this shit and showing up in the paper about it. Period.
Anonymous said...
There's some of us who jumped through all of the hoops and are still waiting to get hired on from the last test. I don't know how many others are still out there and interested/in shape but I know I am. Also, does anyone know if this grant money is already allocated for the city and has a disbursement date or if it's just a promise?
7/23/2009 12:16:00 AM
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Don't get your hopes up too much kid. At least 35% of whatever cash Daley rakes in from the feds is going to get blown as "administrative fees".
Don't start doing the math and calculating how many cops can be hired with the money, cause Daley's numbers will be about HALF that amount for various excuses.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_nj_corruption_arrests
Maybe Chicago SOON???
HOPE SO
Anonymous said...
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
7/23/2009 12:34:00 AM
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And whaddya think YOU'RE gonna do wondershit? Show everybody how "great" a cop you think you are and lock up a TSA for looking at you "hard"? Lock up a senior citizen for getting on the bus thru the back door?
Fuck yourself wonderpunk, your post makes you look like the naive fuckin' noob you are who doesn't know shit about the big picture of this job or life in general.
I wonder if the healthcare is going to disappear in 2012, like the city said it would... Does this apply to retirees under this currant agreement?
Anonymous said...
SCC :
you even made this good news a negative one...
Yes we are short on manpower... We're hoping the grant will come through and the process of hiring is in the works...by 2010 well by the middle of the year the shortage is expected to be well above 550 but not more than 700...
By late 2011 that number will decrease by 150-200 as the grant will only pay for the first 3 our of 5 years the program is set for...
The big question is:
how many is the city willing to hire from now until 2011?
Spread this news ..,
7/23/2009 12:45:00 AM
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And ANOTHER management "plant" heard from.
Listen bullshitter, we're more than 2000 down from 13,500 employees. Your attempt to help Daley & Donahue engrain our shortage numbers as a few "hundred" falls on deaf ears around here.
If Daley gets his wish, all the old timers will quit based on this deal, and he will save their salaries, WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN COLLECTED FROM TAXPAYERS. Of course that money will be siphoned off to Daley's friends for Olympic BULLSHIT, but he gets what he wants, LESS COPS, and MORE MONEY back in his pockets.
Daley's NEVER gonna put us back up to 13,500 as he has taken the money for already, he will continue to dwindle our numbers down to whatever bare minimum HE thinks we should have.
Yah, even though this city is turning into Detroit and crime is on a neverending rise in this city, Daley will NEVER put this department back up to strength where it was in the past, let alone put additional cops on the street.
So fuck your "couple hundred" down asshole, you're way the fuck off from reality, and it AIN'T gonna get any better under Daley.
And here's another joke: Re-Districting. Ahahahaha!
What exactly makes you think re-districting fixes anything? Just because the lines are redrawn doesn't stop or change the criminal assholes from committing it.
People are still gonna get shot, robbed and their houses broken into REGARDLESS of which beat tag shows up after the fact.
The only thing re-districting could possibly do is put a car or two from your next door district into your district, so you have to answer 2 or 3 less calls a night. Big deal on the overall picture of crime!
I can see how you wanna spread the burden of crime evenly across the city, but the reality is the CRIME ain't gonna move, and changing district boundaries isn't gonna change CRIME. And it ain't gonna take the workload off of YOUR plate as much as you think it is.
10 more years for me!
Anonymous said...
They have to be going to 10-hour days with the lack of manpower they are going to have.
7/23/2009 02:00:00 AM
I work in 005,working the ten hour day.There is no manpower.
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
Listen two year wonder. Your only doing it for the money too,not to do any quality police work. You wouldn't know good police work if it bit you in your pompous ass
Anonymous said...
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
7/23/2009 12:34:00 AM
LOL your a goof and the problem with that is? Just keep working at walgreens kid and STFU!
Anonymous said...
300 is a low estimate-- try 800-900 right off the bat--- personnel better start the hiring process right now--- we need officers on the street ready to go now, not three years from now---
7/23/2009 02:41:00 AM
I disagree, how many guys are staying on because "I have a great spot", then retire and die within the first year after being forced off at 63? How much money is enough? retire and enjoy doing whatever "you" want!
If salaries don't top out at age 55 who can afford this? Not anyone I know. This economy is too unstable to take any percentage paycut.
The payout spread isn't that bad. If you take a lump sum payout you will be hit with a huge tax bill. If you spread it out over three years it won't be so bad as you'll be in a lower tax bracket. It doesn't mention if you can roll it over into your deferred comp account like you can now.
Also you will get retro money for any pay increases after you retire during the three years. And if you die the money goes to your estate.
what do you care what happens after you go, you hate the city, you piss all over the administration of the department, take the fucking money and run. Amen.
january of 2010--- every zone will have one district going to ten hour shifts and other district staying on current schedule---
what exactaly does this mean to us. i know it sounds good but does this mean that we no longer have to retire for full benefits after 29years and a day or is this just to be insured for health care. im pretty unfamiliar with the whole thing. my situation is this. i came on at 24. my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years.... yes, i know that I sound mentally handicapped for writing this, but someone that is more familiar with this please explain all of the pros and cons of this change.
7/23/2009 12:10:00 AM
Yeah, when I need financial/retirement/benefits advice, I usually to to a clog comment board. FUCKING DIPSHIT! Check FOP's website.
GOOD! maybe i can start working some special that the greedy old farts have been hoarding.
I was 60 yoa when I retired and I continued to pay for hospitalization.
A little over two years later I got a check from the city along with a letter stating that my healthcare coverage was being picked up by them until I would turn 65.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss as I was not aware of this provision and I received a refund of over $7000.00.
I don't remember if there was any interest included, probably not, but it was sure a nice surpirse.
Now that push has turned to shove for a lot of you P.O's with enough time on the job, it can be a difficult decision to make. Should I go, should I stay?
The decision might be easier if you think about how the public treats it's Police, how many more Police involved shootings there are, lack of leadership at the top and last but not least how our fucked up president thinks the Police are stupid.
Question: What happens in 2013, are we still covered? The the city won the Korshack (?) case in federal court. Is Daley pulling a fast one again?
Also what about the PO's that retired while waiting for the contract, are they covered? hmmmmmmmmm
Lets hurry up with the health care and legalizing all drugs. All the bust outs and hypes can destroy their health, land on their heads, and beat each other up by the millions. Then we -the working people- will spend a trillion dollars of our tax money to support their hospital and medical bills. I needs me a bambulance cause I scratched my leg.
This is a decision that is good for all involved.
The city gets to keep the department younger and at a lower pay scale.
Cops who have full pensions can retire without staying on just to keep health coverage for themselves, their wives, and their college aged children.
Anonymous said...
what exactaly does this mean to us. i know it sounds good but does this mean that we no longer have to retire for full benefits after 29years and a day or is this just to be insured for health care. im pretty unfamiliar with the whole thing. my situation is this. i came on at 24. my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years.... yes, i know that I sound mentally handicapped for writing this, but someone that is more familiar with this please explain all of the pros and cons of this change.
7/23/2009 12:10:00 AM
Doesn't mean jack unless you are old right now. No, you will not max out and receive 75% at 55 just health benefits. You will be working 99 more unless they hire 3,000 people next year lol.
Anyone else have any questions?
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS CRAP, THERE IS NOTHING FREE IN THIS WORLD, I WANT 75# WITH 25YRS AND 80# WITH THIRTY YEARS, ALSO I WANT THE WAGE COMPRESSION FROM 25YRS TO 10YRS LIKE THEY DO IN THE SUBURBS ALSO LETS BASE YOUR PENSION ON THE LAST YEAR INCLUDING OVERTINE LIKE THEY DO IN NYPD NOT THE LAST 4YRS. TAKE YOUR FREE INSURANCE AND SHOVE IT "SHOW ME THE MONEY" ALSO I WILL RETIRE WHEN THE MIGHTY SEISER DOES. PS, RETIRE MILITARY , I GET FREE INSURANCE ANYWAY.
7/23/2009 01:07:00 AM
That is because all the old guys will leave at the same time lol. Now all the 3 year on FTOs can teach the 100 people they will hire over the next 2 years how great everything is.
How might this effect those of us who retired in the last couple of years who are over 55 but not yet medicare eligible? Our insurance is costing us $300 plus a month.
what exactaly does this mean to us. i know it sounds good but does this mean that we no longer have to retire for full benefits after 29years and a day or is this just to be insured for health care. im pretty unfamiliar with the whole thing. my situation is this. i came on at 24. my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years.... yes, i know that I sound mentally handicapped for writing this, but someone that is more familiar with this please explain all of the pros and cons of this change.
What this means is this: the city helped pay for healthcare coverage for officers who retired at age 60 and up, no matter how many years on the job. Now they will be helping to pay for retiree healthcare for those who retire at age 55 and up. It has nothing to do with the 29 and a day for the pension. What this means for guys like you and me is this, we will get to 29 and a day at 53-54 years of age and be at full pension scale - 75%. If we choose to leave then out healthcare coverage will be our burden 100% until we reach age 55. At 55 the city again begins to kick in their part. How it benefits us is that instead of working an extra 7 years to save on health care costs, you would only have to work an extra year or two. There are no cons to this part of the agreement, this is great. It is the concessions we will make in other areas that are the cons. Read previous post about selling back OT. Also another good question is raised. State legislation says that the city is only required to pay retiree healthcare till 2013. Does this contractual agreement override state legislation or does the city pull all retiree healthcare in 2013? Yes, previously Springfield has granted extensions to this ruling, and we are working to get a revised ruling on the books, but if we don't achieve an extension or new legislation, what then? All good questions. I would think that the next FOP/PBPA meetings will be filled to capacity to have these questions answered.
Hope this helped.
Anonymous said...
300 is a low estimate-- try 800-900 right off the bat--- personnel better start the hiring process right now--- we need officers on the street ready to go now, not three years from now---
7/23/2009 02:41:00 AM
Try 3000-4000 compared to the rest of the Cities that are not murder capital.
only one mentino of the pension...come on if we lose another 500 officers, that is roughly $200,000 not going into the fund, just from officers contributions and roughly $1.75 million going out to pay the retirees. Our pension is so underfunded as it is, how can we handle the hit? This is great for the guys/gals who put their time in, but not so good for everyone else...
The Olympic advertisement should display a dead cougar. We should make cougar jerky or cougar combo.
Cougar jerky with a big gulp. Hay Supersize my cougar.
what exactaly does this mean to us. i know it sounds good but does this mean that we no longer have to retire for full benefits after 29years and a day or is this just to be insured for health care. im pretty unfamiliar with the whole thing. my situation is this. i came on at 24. my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years.... yes, i know that I sound mentally handicapped for writing this, but someone that is more familiar with this please explain all of the pros and cons of this change.
7/23/2009 12:10:00 AM
ywa you would have to pay for two years eventhough youll be getting a full pension. as young as you are youre better off working two more and do as little as possible and then retire one day after your birthday
Here's the link to the 2009 City of chicago Benefits Management Division Annuitant Costs and Contribution page:
http://www.chipabf.org/About%20Your%20Benefits/Insurance/2009_Insurance_Rates.pdf
Most health insurance premiums rise approximately 5-8% a year...
Calculating for two non-medicare (not 65 yet) people, retiring after 20 years on the job, the savings by having the city paying the insurance for me...from when I'll be 55 (2015) until I'm 65 for me and my wife will be $141449.41.
plus- who wants 'discount' insurance?
Thank you FOP and the City of Chicago.
300 is a low estimate-- try 800-900 right off the bat--- personnel better start the hiring process right now--- we need officers on the street ready to go now, not three years from now---
7/23/2009 02:41:00 AM
are you on Crack its not that high approx 500
Great news for the old timer, congrats, hope it goes on paper soon.
As for the rest of us, well it may get interesting. Think about this too, even if they do hire 200-400 in the near future we are down thousands!!! Oh and of that 200-400 how many working police are we gonna get?? I mean young, intelligent, physically fit, normal people?? How many will just be fucking slugs that can't pass the power test or can't read and write?
As you get older and you have been on this job I don't care if you don't take the power test or don't work as hard, that is your choice. However when you are new, and young there is NO fucking reason to be such dog ass. Not to mention the college grads that think they know it all, seen it all.
Manpower, well it sucks, and probably gonna get worse. All I care about is backing up an officer that needs help. If that means stopping your paper or leaving some bullshit job, then by all means do it. The backlog is bullshit and the push to clear stupid fucking jobs is nonsense. Another great way to help everyone is better call screening in the OEMC. Several major cities have done it already, if it is bullshit, we aren't coming. Hell the fire dept. already does it, what about "me too." If they really want the police some shit will just have to wait, maybe more people will come to appreciate what we do, and fight for more hiring. Oh and God forfuckingbid they let us take the gloves off and be the fucking police again.
The training situation is just one huge joke. The carbine stuff is awesome, no doubt about it. Everything else is just fucked up, can't get shit done. Hell even the carbine training takes months just to get accepted. Not to mention many of us were in the military and trained, qualified, and carried the same weapon system, but that doesn't have anything to do with it.
To those nearing the retirement decision, I hope this all works out and you can enjoy your days somewhere far from this dying city. Congrats for a job well done.
Anonymous said...
Ever feel like you were sold down river? What did we have to give up?
7/23/2009 02:06:00 AM
We gave up no raises and no retro..FOP source told me yesterday.
There's some of us who jumped through all of the hoops and are still waiting to get hired on from the last test. I don't know how many others are still out there and interested/in shape but I know I am. Also, does anyone know if this grant money is already allocated for the city and has a disbursement date or if it's just a promise?
7/23/2009 12:16:00 AM
do yourself a favor kid if your planning on getting on the job stay off the blog it will only make you jaded before you even hit the street in my opinion you need to learn that your own
I liked Day-glo [shortshanks] on the tube saying that young people walk up to him all the time asking when the next police test is.
I'll call bull-shit on that - unless he his touring a mental ward or halfway house.
Not to mention - I doubt anyone without a suit and envelope in hand is walking up to da mayo any where.
Not with his group of goose stepping D3 pay flunkies surrounding him.
I feel like a softball for asking this, but I have to ask because I really don't know. When this goes into effect, does this mean you get the max on the pension at 55 or just eligible for the health care? If I retire at 55 will I take less percentage on the pension? I came on at 32, so I'll have 23 years at 55 years old. Thanks
Hope you old-timers still don't have kids in college if you decide to take the early out. Sounds good. but your retirement is cut by 50% or more. All this bullshit of Obama cutting or you'r not paying In-Come tax is pure Bullshit.
Also, new healthcare. chicago would drop you in a heartbeat, and put you in a national program that sucks from the get go. Just remember, GOV. is not your friend, always looking for a way to screw you.
If the new health program was so good, why are Congress and the house exempt from it?
Shortshanks don't give nothing away for free!
We will be the first to get Obama's National Healthcare Disaster.
We will be fucked, just like the "only $2 a paycheck for medical insurance" contract.
Stay safe, and stay healthy.
So the dingles are taking the dangles?
All is forgotten in the surge to "What do I get, and when?"
This could be a short term inducement to retire at 55. What happens later? Socialized med? (Think SOYLENT GREEN) Paying until you reach the golden Medicare age? Be careful what you wish for.
OT-
Here's trouble:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Internal-Affairs-Records-Ruled-Public.html
Today is a great day. I have 25 months to go, but I will give them an effort for those 25 months, but thank God my wife and I can now finalize ours plans to see Chicago in our rear view mirror.
Anonymous said...
what exactaly does this mean to us. i know it sounds good but does this mean that we no longer have to retire for full benefits after 29years and a day or is this just to be insured for health care. im pretty unfamiliar with the whole thing. my situation is this. i came on at 24. my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years.... yes, i know that I sound mentally handicapped for writing this, but someone that is more familiar with this please explain all of the pros and cons of this change.
7/23/2009 12:10:00 AM
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You at least sound confused. If this passes, you will have to be 55when you retire in order to realize any benefit. Right now you must be 60, WHEN YOU RETIRE. If you retire sooner, you do not get the paid health care at either 55 or 60 as the case may be.
I do have couple of questions though. First, doesn't this require some kind of State of Illinois legislation to change the pension code?
Secod, what does happen in 2013, if the city decides to completely stop funding retiree health care, as they are probably entitled to do? Personally, I don't believe that they will ever get out of the health care business.
Last, since the city is a self insurer, that is BS/BC merely administers the health care for all city employees and retirees, I wonder if it will actually be less expensive for the city to pay medical expenses for those from 55 to 60.
Hopefully you all saw the press conference on the news where I spoke about how this benefits the Department as much as my underlings, I mean officers.
Here are some clarifications. Don't misinterpret my comments regarding the education, training and motivation of the old-timers out there. I didn't mean that you are uneducated, unmotivated slugs who are so poorly trained that you couldn't find Wilt Chamberlain at a little people's convention.
What I meant was that new officers are better educated, better trained, and more motivated to actually go out and do something other than collect a paycheck.
No, wait a minute. I didn't mean that either. Oh hell, just forget I said anything.
In closing, did the tight shirt accentuate my guns? You know you love 'em.
Sounds like a win-win for both sides...
Anonymous said...
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
7/23/2009 12:34:00 AM
Same thing will said about you, PPO. Shut your hole and wait your turn!!
Anonymous said...
Don't forget the agreement also allows for a spread-out over three years to pay out time on the books after retirement.
7/23/2009 12:41:00 AM
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which is great cause you'll save on taxes...big time...
s. i came on at 24. my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years....
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No it means you have to work till 55. you cannnot leave and collect on the insurance later. your service has to be continuous till 55. dont feel bad i came on younger than you..I have to give them an extra 4 1/2 years even though i'll be maxed out..
OT: what the hell is up with the HQ mailroom? I have 2 vehicles registered to 35th st. and never received my license plate renewals or one emission test notice. Thank God I looked at the back of my van and saw that the plate was about to expire. WTF? Hello mail room?
Anonymous said...
I think this needs a little more explanation. What if i retire at age 50. Do i then pay for my own health care till i'm 55 and then can hop on the wagon?
If i came on when i was 22, that means i'd have to do 33 years before i can retire and get the health care?
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Yup your here til 55 bud.
Anonymous said...
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
7/23/2009 12:34:00 AM
Most of you pussies don't make a pimple on a "dead weight[s] ass.". So I'll continue doing what I do and also work special every month. Keep pushing the beat car kid.
My spot is secure.
I am not completely happy about waiting for my comp/ot pay to be paid out over three years, but I see that as the "give" in this equation, in order for us to "take" the insurance benefit.
As for draining the pension fund one way or another the pension is an obligation that the City will have to pay out to those who have are already covered under it.
I see this as a mostly win, win situation.
I will have 21 years on by the time I hit 55 and I will take the money and run.
Hey FOP...we don't want 6 day on 3 day off work schedule...Go fuck yourself!! What happened to not having the work schedule be part of the contract. 10-hour days bitches!!!
One question: How does the Korshak settlement figure into this benefit. Doesn't the city only guarantee insurance for retirees until the year 2013?
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According to the Agreement.. (page 3) The parties will have to renegotiate the deal after June 30, 2012.
To say the least: NO MORE INSURANCE FROM THE CITY.
Get sick and die now so you can take advantage of this "great deal".
Nice work if you can get it. And I don't blame police for negotiating the best deal they can get like anyone else. But eventually this is all going to come down around you. Some cities are already looking at bankruptcy to get out of their unsustainable pension requirements, and I wish them the best of it.
Public employee unions of all kinds have negotiated fixed pension obligations with city councils more responsive to them than the general public, while private employers have largely moved to payed-up funds like 401ks, even when the employers contribute. Eventually voters are going to get tired of having their taxes continually raised to cover pay and benefit packages better than their own, and the only people to blame will be those who negotiated those deals.
I am 26 years old with 2 years on the job. . .
Just promise me a lifetime supply of hair-gel and I'll retire now.
Further: life expectancy keeps climbing. Retirement at 55 may have made sense when average life expectancy was about 65 (as it was when Medicare first passed Congress; those guys made a pretty cold actuarial calculation, but that's another topic). Life expectancy now is 78 and slowly climbing, and public employees' response is... to negotiate earlier retirement. Out at 50 after 25 years of service leaves an 28 or more years of pension collection, already longer than the working career and only going to climb. I suppose its too much to hope that will ever be repudiated (though I'd have no sympathy if it was), but the taxes necessary aren't going to help your local economy any.
“When we see these people going out, I’m absolutely confident. . .we’ll start opening the faucet and allow people to come in,” Weis said at a news conference at the police headquarters.
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What a lying sack of sh!t.
Dear scc: from what I understand about obamedicine we will still carry our own insurance. I believe universal is only for poor and people who can't afford insurance like maybe part time employees that don't get benefits, or people that are self emplpyed and can't afford a policy, people that lost their jobs. Not everyone will be eligible for obamedicine. So as it stands right now, universal doesn't come into play for us, I hope. I didn't watch him on tv last night so maybe he said something different from what he was peddling earlier.
OT: Last of three Indiana prison escapees to be on the lam was caught today at an Indianapolis hotel.
I,m not trying to be rude but anyone who has kids 22-26 and they don't have a job and wants the city to pay for their insurance has to have a problem. I thought the only way the city would pay is if they were in school or you were their guardian due to disability. I thought when u were in school you could purchase insurance through the school. Obamas medicine will pay for your childs insurance. Again not trying to be rude but paying insurance for someone's child at age 25 is asking a little too much. No problem whatsoever with the disability issue.
The question is, what did we give up to get this?
FOP best not let our retro checks go!!!!!!!!
I hate the Stuttering Prick worse today than ever!
In 2005, he said by 2013 the city would be "out of the health insurance business". He said that for each year that we stayed beyond 01 July 05, the city was going to contribute 5 % per year less toward our retirees health insurance coverage.
I opted to retire then, rather than give up anything to that rat bastard in terms of benefits. So today, I've been retired for 4 yrs and am paying about $6500 a yr for health insurance for the bride and I and another $700 a yr for vision and dental. My insurance costs won't change. I'm stuck with these payments till Medicare kicks in. It IS a burden, financially. If you can lock in free insurance, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
The guys I really feel sorry for though, are the ones who retired this month, if there were any. July 1st marked an additional 5 % the city was reducing from health insurance payments for retirees or 20 % less than when I retired 4 yrs ago. And to have been so close to the fully paid health insurance would make me furious. But those that have retired in the last year have got to be upset as well.
Wisconsin cops (and virtually all public employees) are in a very good state retirement system. Protective employees can go out, I heard, at 50 with reduced benefits and 53 will full. With doing some part-time gigs some Wisconsin retirees make as much or more than they did working.
STOP RIGHT THERE!! DO NOT compare us to wisconsin... that state taxes public pensions. Don't even give our crooked govt the chance...
Dear scc: hey 12:34- you are a number A fuckin one asshole. Just what in the hell are you going to do differently working special than anyone else does? You will ride the trains and busses with your thumb up your ass massaging your little brain and will also be doing the same standing at cabrini mumbling that this is bullshit, just like anyone else. So stfu and gfy because you are no better than anyone else. You are going to have to wait in line like everyone else did. But untill your time comes I will give you a clue, get a second job working as a mall cop so you can feel good about yourself when the chicks check you out. And btw I have enough time to work special but I choose not too because I have a steady part time gig. And I had to look long and hard for that, I left the special for the cops that need it. Its callled SENIORITY so man up and stop whining till you get some.
Initially it was thought if you left at 55 you would have to pay what the active members pay.Under this agreement you do not. If you retire prior to age 55 you do not get the benefit. If you retire anytime between 55 and 63 you get the benefit. You no longer have to pay a medical premium. Only deductibles and such. If you leave a day prior to your 55th birthday no benefit. So if you are 29+1 at 50 you would have to stay an additional 5 years to get the benefit.
To the cry baby poster who said the FOP does nothing for the P.O.you are a moron. This is a benefit to all of us not just D2 and above. Also while the pension portability is not a very good deal for many it is for those with past Cook county and possibly for those with City of Chicago employment. It was and is not a union issue but the FOP decided to get involved beacause many members wanted them to,they got the best deal they could. I am only an FOP member but I check my facts before I speak. So keep up your whining and lead your miserable life and complain about even the good that comes your way and you can leave this job as the same miserable, complaining,ungratefull prick you were when you came on.
heads up! the City is denying health care coverage to retirees' dependants from ages 22-26
26? That's not a kid. I was on this job for 3 YEARS already when I was 26. If you are 26, you better have your own thing going!
In his press conference, Mayor Daley said that young people are passing him on the street and asking when there will be another police exam. And, he says, they are all college graduates. Does Daley think that those of us with over 20 years are uneducated? Guess what? We also have college degrees and some of us have graduate degrees.
Superintendent Weis says that the new recruits are better trained that officers fron 20 years ago. Really? How are they better trained? And, it those of us with over twenty years need updated training, why hasn't it been given? Also, all the training in the world will never replace street experience. This Deparment is going to lose a million dollars of street smarts when the "old-timers" all leave. This Department is in trouble.
Yes, the retirement issue is back on the table effective 2012. Yes, the Korshak medical issue is up for grabs in 2013. In order for the out at 55 to take place 160 persons must apply for it. I hope that those planning to leave at 55 have secondary employment. Prior to this decision, the free medical medical at age 60 was garranteed, not anymore.
10 down 20 more to go. But im glad for the old timers. Payments over 3 yrs aint so bad.
Ill take the retro in payments
Mark Buerhle -PERFECT GAME-YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
wow,so you think the FOP should get the credit..NOT.Now take care of the BIS officers who where on 2 yrs of hell,and the contract,and the other lawsuits.while ur in FL on the all paid vacation
Those of us who were hoping to roll our comp time payout into deferred comp just got screwed royally. The city will be making money on our money while hoping for us to die.
Don't be suprised if there is not a mass exodus. I am retired from a department that has a great retirement plan. 20 years OTJ plus 55 years of age for full benefits, or retire at 20 years OTJ with slightly reduced benefits.( subtract 1% per year under 55) Full medical, 50% of EARNINGS, not salary plus $50.00 per month per year of service. Most retirees make over 100% of earnings with this formula.( 95k plus) A little overtime in the last year kicks your pension way up. You pay only reduced federal income tax. We are also Social Security eligible with the average monthly payout of about $1,700.00 to add to your pension later on. (62 or 65)
Guess what? Maybe fifty or so percent of eligible coppers leave at 55. I think some are afraid, as they now have to go home and deal with domestic life. Some have their identity wrapped up in this job and don't know anything else.And others? well we all know guys who have three ex-wives, four ex-kids,five ex-mortgages and six ex-credit cards!! They're in for the long haul!
Anyone considering retirement please just do it. I did it at 55 years of age and never looked back. I missed it for about a week, as there is no job like it, but it is a young man's game.
The actuarials show that you live longer the sooner you get out of the stressful situations that police work puts you into.
heads up! the City is denying health care coverage to retirees' dependants from ages 22-26. The new law for extended coverage only applies to active. So if you want to retire and have kids of this age range they wont be covered!! I learned the hard way. Protest to FOP and they might get it done.
Good point... Need to find out.
It's only good till 2012. Read the fine print.
Not good for me, my kids will be in college. Health care for them will cut out at 21 if your not working. Call the FOP and let them know you want your kids covered while their in college with this 55 and out plan.
The facts are not all known. Gates was not arrested for being in his home, but on a disorderly conduct charge for allegedly mouthing off to the police. ( He refused to produce an ID )
Obama, in a lighter moment, imagined what would happen if, like Gates, he "jimmied his way" into his house.
"I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now, so -- it probably wouldn't happen.
"But let's say my old house in Chicago -- here I'd get shot."
NICE HUH?
Good or Bad???
After reading the FOP website several times I still wonder what is Not in the Fine Print (is there any?).
If you already retired, you are not eligible for this program, tuff luck!
If you retire before you are 55, you cannot jump in when you reach that age, sorry pal, you MUST be that age or better.
Do I get full benefits (29+1) with this deal? NO.
You get whatever pension amount your years of service are on the books. Example; I am 55 but I only have 27 years done, you get a pension based on 27 years, which is 70% (not 75%).
I am 53 with 29+1, you would retire without this benefit (not 55 yet) and you cannot jump in at 55, so your out of luck with this deal.
I meet all the requirements (55+,29+1) and I have 4,000 hours on the books (city owes you $120,000+?)?
You would get your money in payments over four years according to the schedule posted (this saves the city big time in payout money they say they don't have right now, Mayors son's accounts, Skyway, 2016, Airports, no lump sum payouts).
You die in two years, your estate gets the rest of the money in the same payout schedule, as is posted on the written agreement (no lump sum).
Must you remain in the city to collect? (4 years?)
Notice this agreement is valid until June, 2012 (5 years contract?, sounds like a sure thing baby).
If I take advantage of this deal now, am I locked out of benefits that might be included in the full contract, retro?, wage increases? etc.? (Maybe, what's behind the hidden door? Don't look kid).
Why must I lock in my retirement date so early?
October 1st for Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, March 2010? (160 people required).
If I lock in for (example Jan 15 2010) and there are the required number (160), what if people back out and change their minds after the 160 requirement is met? What if my family needs change and I must continue to work, will I be forced to retire on that date?
Another senario; I plan to retire on July 15, 2010 and I must announce my intention before Jan 1, 2010 (130 bodies required), my spouse dies (March of 2010) and I must continue to work to support my family, can I jump out of this committment?
Right now, if you retire today, the cost of your health insurance for a family of 4 (2 adults, 2 child(ren), both adults are non-medicare eligible, and you retire with 20+ years of service (after 7/1/05 w/20+), that cost is $763.00 per month ($9156 yr), begining 1 July 2009.
This info is from the rates table published in "The Pension Advisor" Policemen's Annuity & Benefit Fund Of Chicago, June, 2009 #35 (edition).
That's a good piece of change out of YOUR pocket and pension check. That amount would be paid by the City?
Apparently these rates go up every year or two and your stuck with the cost if you retired too early (not
60, or now 55+).
In June 2013, the city will not have to pay health care? BUT, will this issue be re-negotiated all over again?
Too bad they cannot lay out their intentions on the table now while we bargain, or guarantee this deal till after 2016 or 2026?
The Mayor says we are in Arbitration, Sneed says we have a contract, The FOP Hotline is still on the 15 July 2009 Mayors comments.
Where are we FOP?
There are tons of un-answered questions to be addressed. The FOP may have gotten us a great deal, but, we need to see the full picture and all the fine print before we jump in, or out.
It would be a shame to get inches away from the finish line (29+1,55) and get screwed with a bad deal.
We need a lot more information brothers and sisters!
Signed,
On the fence and waiting!
Anyone with more knowledge please pipe in with info! Thank you.
nice get rid of these old salty bastards old timers I'll help you pack you moody know it all know nothing muther fuckers! Time for the jagoff Lt's and Sgt's to move on and let some fresh ideas and wisdom in...
The fish bite and shorty giggles.
Do you really think he is going to pay for decent health care for employees who are developing age related health issues for 10 years.
Yeah, I trust him. I trust that he has some plan to screw us.
Good news for membership. I'm glad to see this happened. I just hope the FOP does not give something up because of this. This was a City proposal from the beginning of negotiations. They wanted it because it saves them money. It's a great benefit for membership as well, but FOP better remember that the city wanted this badly. I hope the FOP considers this a city proposal that they accepted, and remind the city of that.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
what exactaly does this mean to us. i know it sounds good but does this mean that we no longer have to retire for full benefits after 29years and a day or is this just to be insured for health care. im pretty unfamiliar with the whole thing. my situation is this. i came on at 24. my 29 and a day will be at age 53. does that mean i have to pay for my own insurance for two years instead of 7 years.... yes, i know that I sound mentally handicapped for writing this, but someone that is more familiar with this please explain all of the pros and cons of this change.
If you leave at 53 you will pay until you are 65 and Medicare kicks in..
"So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
7/23/2009 12:34:00 AM"
Signed,
A Future Federal Indictee
"Yes we are short on manpower... We're hoping the grant will come through and the process of hiring is in the works...by 2010 well by the middle of the year the shortage is expected to be well above 550 but not more than 700...
7/23/2009 12:45:00 AM"
You mean in addition to the 3,000 we're short now?
don't know if the shephard picked up if 14 ia bear or not , but he was still missing as of 9;30 this am.
Court rules cop internal affairs cases are public
July 23, 2009 3:46 PM
In a case some argue could throw open the longstanding secrecy behind police investigations of themselves, the 4th District Court of Appeal in Springfield has ruled that internal affairs files are a public record regardless of the outcome of the probe.
According to attorneys specializing in public records law in Illinois, it is the first such ruling of its kind in the state and therefore is binding on all trial courts in every jurisdiction in the state.
Let me get this right, if you jump ship at age 55......you have city payed medical until 60. So after those 5 years age 60-65 do you have to pay your own medical???
Then there's that little KORSHAK settlement thingy, how does that work? If you have ton of money coming to you and have to elected multi payments over 3 years, do the city pay you interests for those deferred payments??? What happens if the City doesn't get the numbers of desired retirees???
Got anybody out there in the know???
A guy I was talking with the other day said he is signed up to take the test at UIC this saturday. I NEVER heard a word about it, any truth to this? or was this for a select few?
Amen. I see the light at the end of the tunnel. See you all after 2 1/2 years from now instead of 7 1/2 year. All you will see when I leave is a blur. The only time I will run on this job.
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
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Yea, what are you going to do superstar? Walk up and down the stairs every ten minutes? Or help someone move their luggage at O'Hare? Or grab a turnstile jumper? You just want your turn sitting there, or whatever. You jealous little pimp. Why don't you take you big talk to their face. Yea I know, you're chickenshit. Get back in your cubicle you fucking asshole.
this sucks BADLY ....
now our pension will be DRAINED
bye bye PENSION
good job FOP ...good JOB
why don't you worry about getting the city to pay their bill on the PENSION
did I mention the PENSION?
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Exactly what I was thinking.
Early retirement means a bigger drain on a seriously underfunded pension fund.
In fact, I'll go further and say that it's an orchestrated act to bankrupt the pension fund.
What happens then?
J-FART says the men and women coming on the job now are far better better trained than those that came on 20 yrs ago'THATS JUST A FACT'.They're just not allowed to do anything with ALL that experience. Good luck getting to your pension Officers.I'M GETTING THE FUCK OUT!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
MASTERSMASTERSMASTERSMASTERS!
Good maybe I can get some senority in 016. Then again those losers have no lives and never leave here until forced out.....
OT: TWO THINGS
1) feds lock up a shit load of POLITICIANS for CORRUPTION in NEW JERSEY.WOOOOHOOOO!!!!
Now get your asses over here in SHITCAGO and do the same thing...PLEASE!
2) MARK BUHRLE PITCHES A PERFECT GAME! OUTSTANDING!
heads up! the City is denying health care coverage to retirees' dependants from ages 22-26. The new law for extended coverage only applies to active. So if you want to retire and have kids of this age range they wont be covered!! I learned the hard way. Protest to FOP and they might get it done.
7/23/2009 05:52:00 AM
That may be against the law.
how sad all the real police are going by the way side. cant retire yet stuck with all the airhead airgels who like to turn up at domestics with a cup of starbucks in hand.
Sorry kids Im staying until they kick me out so much for your 7a furlough. Wait your turn Punk!!
Im sorry something doesnt sound right. What are we giving up???
Anonymous Anonymous said...
heads up! the City is denying health care coverage to retirees' dependants from ages 22-26. The new law for extended coverage only applies to active.
22-26?? shouldn't junior be out and on his own by now and become an adult and stop spounging off daddy
What is the pension payout % ? Do you need 20 on 25 on 30 on what?
/2009 12:36:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Don't forget the agreement also allows for a spread-out over three years to pay out time on the books after retirement.
7/23/2009 12:41:00 AM
grab your ankles, Boffo.
Alderwoman Pat Dowell is going to address the 002nd District roll calls Monday. Her alderstaff spent 30 minutes observing drinkers and in that time four cop cars drove past and didn't stop. Oh my! This is the same Pat Dowell that was one of the alderpeople to petition a federal court to release the names of officers with 10 or more CR numbers. I'll smile and nod alderwoman then forget everything u said when I get my keys.
Who really cares? They are not "giving" us anything. This is a distraction to keep everybody's mind off of how of a fucking we are getting on this contract.
The City does not give us anything they force us to take it.
boys and girls this is not going to happen the city does not have the money
7/23/2009 12:10:00 AM
You can retire any time you want, if you want to collect a pension, you have to have 20 years on and be at least 50 YOA, if you want free insurance you need to be 55 years of age...
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
7/23/2009 12:34:00 AM
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Hey, NONE OF THOSE 55 YOA OR OVER HAS TO RETIRE UNLESS THEY WANT TO, maybe they want to stay to stick it to people like you... it is tempting.
If you are lucky, YOU will get old one day too...
The academy is not ready or equipped to train at the rate necessary to replace the retired officers. A huge problem is the range. The third largest police department with no range. Only three outlining mini ranges. Inservice training has stopped. Will the mayor actually hire recruits? Even with federal funds he still does not hire.
7/23/2009 06:27:00 AM
It will probably be mid 2010 before they hire one single officer, and early 2011 before they hit the street... that way the city can really save a bundle ... don't think they care about calls for service, answering jobs or ANYTHING at the hall... but the almighty dollar.
All of you KMAs just stay safe and healthy enough to enjoy that fishing cabin on the lake in northern wisconsin. Take that rusty revolver with you for scaring away the bears !
Anonymous said...
heads up! the City is denying health care coverage to retirees' dependants from ages 22-26. The new law for extended coverage only applies to active. So if you want to retire and have kids of this age range they wont be covered!! I learned the hard way. Protest to FOP and they might get it done.
7/23/2009 05:52:00 AM
um...well..um..maybe um you can..you know..
tell your kids to get a fucking job!!
what you think?
ALSO CONNECTED TO THIS,
All Lieutenants and Captains received an Email requesting applications for the position of COMMANDER.
They must be expecting a mass exodus.
Every Lt. and Capt. I have talked to says that they can take the gold Oak Leaves and shove 'em up Shortshanks ass. The headaches involved, the furlough days, the meetings, dealing with demanding politicians who have your cell phone number on speed-dial just ain't worth the few extra bucks and the take home car.
Our Commander said that he was losing the raise due to the unpaid furlough days. He was happier just being a lieutenant.
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
7/23/2009 12:34:00 AM
What are you going to do on special? Save the world while doing a walk down in Cabrini?
My guestimate is no more than 250-300 take the city up on this offer. Not the 700 everyones talking about. This will piss-off shortshanks big time. He's gonna wanna fuck us through arbitration. Do you think these guys are just gonna pack up and leave not knowing if their pension will in fact be reduced when all the dust settles? Fuck You mayor shortshanks!
Has anyone considered this, can our under funded pension fund take this hit.
Here is what I think is the Evil Little Man's Fiendish Plan.
He gets rid of the top wage earners by this promise of "free medical insurance", BUT it turns out, by Federal mandate to be the Obamanational Insurance which will cost the city nothing and put in the same category as any piss-bum on the street. He wins, we loose really big time.
With the top wage earners gone, he can now hire a almost twice the number of newbies who can be schooled to be revenue raisers for his dreams. And because the institutional memory of the department goes with the mass retirements, so do the skills and much of the street smarts.
Jody's mission to destroy The
Chicago Police Department will be complete.
Has anyone also considered, can our pension fund stand the strain if Shortshanks continues to under fund the pension.
Stay Safe, indite this prick and AUDIT THE CITY'S BOOKS.
OT --- Contracts to clear Michael Reese for Olympics
July 23, 2009 1:51 PM
Chicago took its first facts-on-the-ground step toward hosting a 2016 Olympics Wednesday by awarding the major contracts for demolition of the closed Michael Reese Hospital campus, the proposed site of an athletes' village.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/
2009/07/city-takes-1st-tangible-
steps-toward-2016-games.html
I've read 100's of posts how the deadweight do-nothing greybeards need pack their bags for greener pastures. Sounds lie the hairgels got their wish. Think there's already been brain drain, you aint seen nothing yet. Time to man up know-it-alls, show us what you Got.
7/23/2009 12:33:00 AM
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we'll do JUST fine...
Enjoy ur Retirement!!!
Job well done,
Sure it will be at least another 10 years or so before we fully switch this Dept to it's Glory, just sit back and watch...
here in lies the rub, the city is counting on a lot of us kicking the bucket before we have the opportunity to collect our rightfully earned OT. Now don't get me wrong, I like the whole 55 and out with healthcare idea, I just don't like the idea that the city is going to keep all that OT. Fact of the matter is, a large percentage of retirees die within 5 years of retirement. I would like to see just how many and how soon after retirement they passed on. I would be willing to bet it is a high percentage and it is closer to three years than it is to five years. Just food for thought.
7/23/2009 01:07:00 AM
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what kinda of speculation are you making here you fool!!!
Check it out before you start writing what you think out loud,,,the city is attempting to cash interest and saveoney on it's bonds by hanging on longer to the money..
Long and healthy life to All!!
Why is everyone creiting FOP for this offer? What happens after 2013? I have said it before and I will say it again, "If the city and the FOP like it, it is not good for you!" Do you really think this is because the city loves you and wants you to enjoy your retirement? I am sure the Pension Board must be promised something to allow this "mass exodus!" All they have ever done recently is cry "poor mouth" everytime we asked to lower the retirement age or consider looking at 80%! Why now? "Something wicked this way comes!" Olympics is the only thing on Daley's mind, so something is definitely up! The Trojan Horse will arrive shortly and inside will be Daley, Donahue, Hauser and Ryan (Mr. Olympics)! A shell game, three card monty, The man in the booth! more money to be made by them by agreeing to this "scam!" Why do you think they leaked this to the media! Duh!
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
OOooooooo........a posting from the REAL POLICE! Hey junior.....be careful what you wish for. Before you know it YOU will be the "dead weight" that younger coppers will be wishing that you would just fucking retire.
If you retire at 50 you would not be eligible when you hit 55. Thats always been the case. Presently an officer gets full health if he retires at 60, not if he retires at 58, then turns 60 in 2 years You only get the benefit if you are 55 or older
You mean to tell me "Photo Job Bob B." in Unit 477 may actually retire now!
In his press conference, Mayor Daley said that young people are passing him on the street and asking when there will be another police exam. And, he says, they are all college graduates. Does Daley think that those of us with over 20 years are uneducated? Guess what? We also have college degrees and some of us have graduate degrees.
Superintendent Weis says that the new recruits are better trained that officers fron 20 years ago. Really? How are they better trained? And, it those of us with over twenty years need updated training, why hasn't it been given? Also, all the training in the world will never replace street experience. This Deparment is going to lose a million dollars of street smarts when the "old-timers" all leave. This Department is in trouble.
Realistically, the Dept won't lose a Million Dollars of street smarts if the old-timers go because,
#1: the CPD never fully utilizes the street smarts of the old timers. Most are behind desks, in lockups, offices, etc, not teaching young recruits at the Academy, young detectives, etc. They are in "suspended animation" just marking time like inmates at the State Prison, waiting to get out, and not being used to their full potential by the CPD, due to Clouted Kiddies taking the spots the old timers should have to pass on their experience and wisdom.
#2: A lot of the street Smarts the really old CPD officers have [guys with 30 yrs. or more, is obsolete. Many Laws and all technology is far different than it was when they were in their prime.
#3: Not EVERY CPD Officer with a lot of time on the job will automatically leave, many will say they are, but when push comes to shove, they will keep working and supplimenting their pensions. Lots of our guys are set in their ways, many still really like the job, its benefits, and the fact it gets them away from bittchy wives or pain in the butt kids for awhile every day, and this is where the most of their friends are, at work in the CPD....
Sooooo, don't think there will be the massive bailout that everyone is jumping to conclusions over. If it does happen, look for more of a gradual trickling off of retirees, after the first wave of disgruntled guys go.
So we can get rid of all the dead weight and I can actually work Special Employment? Instead of some lump that just sits there with his/her thumb up her ass all night?
OOooooooo........a posting from the REAL POLICE! Hey junior.....be careful what you wish for. Before you know it YOU will be the "dead weight" that younger coppers will be wishing that you would just fucking retire.
I WISH THE YOUNG SNOT-NOSE WOULD RETIRE ALREADY....WHAT A PUD. YOU JUNIOR, CAN WORK ALL THE SPECIAL YOU WANT ALREADY, EXCEPT THE AIRPORTS, WHICH YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE NEAR ENOUGH TIME FOR, BUT WANT, BUT LIKE ALL BABIES ON THIS JOB, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING NOW, RIGHT AWAY, BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL A CHILD, JUST WITH A BADGE AND A GUN NOW. GROW UP PUSSY......YOU ARE A FUCKIN DISGRACE TO REAL MEN AND WOMEN COPS, YOU WHINING FUCKIN ASSHOLE.....
Game over.
Police internal affairs files are public records, Illinois court says
"um...well..um..maybe um you can..you know..
tell your kids to get a fucking job!!
what you think?
7/23/2009 08:19:00 PM"
Does this mean your 'kids' got laid off from their city 'jobs'?
"22-26?? shouldn't junior be out and on his own by now and become an adult and stop spounging off daddy
7/23/2009 06:05:00 PM"
You mean like your 30+ year old chip off the old block hibernating in your basement?
"nice get rid of these old salty bastards old timers I'll help you pack you moody know it all know nothing muther fuckers! Time for the jagoff Lt's and Sgt's to move on and let some fresh ideas and wisdom in...
7/23/2009 04:10:00 PM"
Thanks, Jackie, now go polish the stuttering prick's knob.
" Sooooo, don't think there will be the massive bailout that everyone is jumping to conclusions over. If it does happen, look for more of a gradual trickling off of retirees, after the first wave of disgruntled guys go.
7/23/2009 10:27:00 PM"
When did Masters decide he's earned the right to use the term 'we' in the context of his post?
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