Can This Happen?
Someone want to expound on the likelihood of this occurring?
- The Captains and Lieutenants have negotiated "vouchers" for some equipment items. The voucher provision is contingent on "available money," and we all know how Shortshanks hides cash.
- These "vouchers" will be negotiated and altered in following contracts with an eye toward eliminating the Uniform Allowances.
Is this the "$2 for health care" all over again that eats up half of our projected raises every single contract? Have the Captains and Lieutenants Unions sown the seeds of destruction for Uniform Allowances?
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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they dont fight for anything and get the fruits of the FOP bargaining with the "me Too" clause
the bosses never have cared about us lowly blue shirts. fuck them all!!!
OT: Spoke to an R-Man the other day as I was gassing up. I was driving an old POS pool squad and the R-Man was also driving a fully marked and lighted (sp?) squad car! WTF we have a hard enough time finding a pool car now and the R-Man is driving a squad car!!!
I thought it was against the general orders for any sworn officer not in uniform to drive a marked squad car, now you have an unarmed civilian driving a marked squad? R-Man said he has been told by his bosses (just as senseless as ours) that if flagged down he must stop and radio in any “problems”. What’s the city’s liability on that if the R-Man is hurt? Not to mention the public’s safety of flagging down an officer in the middle of some shit only to find out he stopped a repairman. Is this a trick on the public to see more “police” on the street?
If its true, FUCK THEM! NEVER give anything up!
This is the begging of the end for uniform allowances
Does it surprise anyone in the politically corrupt CPD that there is a direct correlation between the size of the paycheck and selling out the troops?
It's da Chicago Way!
They were assured that this was only for specific first issue items only, leaving the uniform allowance intact. It would be for example a new style of hat, or new body armor.
Don't blame the Captains or Lieutenants, this is supposed to be a plus not a minus.
Did Shortshanks lie? Will we have a uniform commissary system? Will the clout heavy uniform store robbers get screwed like they have been screwing us for generations?
You also must realize that the whole contract fiasco, or fiascos, the city is playing the "unions' like a bunch of trained dogs in a circus. They use $500 an hour lawyers and what do we have, Joe because he's a good guy who goes to meetings and a friend of Bob.
The two year and counting delay is part of their plan because it is all to the city's benefit. They keep the money, the interest and they keep us dissatisfied and finally willing to take shit to get the almighty "RETRO CHECK"!
So uniform vouchers, it's all part of the city's plan.
WE need to march, but not around City Hall, we need to march door to door to act in the next elections. We need to expose these pricks. We need to get our people registered and out to vote.
We need to make them FEAR US!
"Have the Captains and Lieutenants Unions sown the seeds of destruction for Uniform Allowances?"
THEY ALREADY RECEIVE THEIR SUPERVISOR SUPPLEMENTAL CHECKS THAT TOTAL BETWEEN 12 -16G ON TOP OF THEIR .75 & 1 HR HOUR OF COMP TIME THEY RECEIVE EVRY WORKDAY,TOTALING 200 HOURS PER YEAR.THINK THEY GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT SOME UNIFORM ALLOWANCE OR SOME PEON P.O.?
Of course because most were bought and sold by the meritorious process..
I hope it all comes back to bite them in the ass.
I think they voted that way because most will retire in 2 years.
The current lt.s and capt.s seem to have sold out. Any of the sell out's care to 'splain their selves? All future promotions will require a yearly power test. Much more to come in the cuntract. 0% raise? Cocksmokers. I like to see where they get a job after retiring too be such a bunch of weasels.
This job has been done, it is now being parceled out to the greediest "ME" bastards.
NO UNITY = DEATH
Fuck it all!
Never trust a boss! They make a lot more money than us and could give a shit about us. Just keep bringing them the numbers and one day they will start caring about the lowley P.O.
I certainly would love the voucher program, but with the "based on monies avail", they can stuff it.
Because I would be getting a new vest, vest cover, rain coat, refer, and wools, about every 3 months (the life expectancy of these items) i would be getting new a sweater, cargos, shorts, and shirts. Hell, do it just like the CFD, trade old for new.
Plus, I'd love to see what else it covers, like ammo, magazines, leather goods, range time, etc.
Then the city can SEE how we just become such "spend-thrifts" with our uniform allowances. Because if you look around, there are a lot more people with current uniform items than there are with raggedy-ass uniforms.
AND perhaps it might make sense to offer it to Captains and Lieutenants, how many of them are there -vs- blue shirts.
It would be a win for the city on that one.
I'm coming in with two left shoes and my cousins name tag to beg for a voucher doooooooooooooog.
The uniform allowance is now part of our salary package. Years ago it was a separate benefit.
I will NEVER vote for a contract that takes away part of my salary.
OT: sounds like a CPD cmdr admits it's all smoke an mirrors. "The beefed-up security will remain until the public perception that the school is dangerous decreases, said Morgan Park District Commander Michael Kuemmeth.
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from http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/09/derrion-albert-vigil-and-march-postponed.html
I remember when the captains insignia was moved from the epaulet to the collar
The new insignia is smaller and therefore the old ones had to be replaced
I saw a letter written to the city my the non exempt captains whining that the City should provide the first issue
Just a warning. Give up nothing in your contract!!! Go without a raise for a couple years but don't give Dick a thing!
Us at oec have in the last 4 yrs have given up "lost" our seniority rights, our retro checks and as of last week on an already ratified contract lost all of our holidays and can no longer get paid cash for ot or holidays only comp! We are mandated to work ot for comp. Comp that is never approved even when slips have been turned in months in advanced. Don't be lured by a few bucks raise, to give up your medical or insurance or anything for that matter you will never get it back. The city has us over a barrel in the barganing unit we are in with animal control, crossing guards, detention aids etc and they were told if they didnt sign off on the last contract that they would be fired. Goodbye retro check sacraficed in good faith to keep our city worker brethen with food on their tables. Cpd at least you only have you to blame on contract signing. I repeat DO NOT GIVE THEM A THING!
peace and prayers, squad
Of course they did! The city will use this as precedent. None of these dumb motherfuckers understand basic union-busting, labor negotiations.
The Captains, as political appointees, decision won't have a huge impact on our negotiations.
But the Lts......
109 assholes who sense either:
A.) an early bailout to land on some other payroll.
B.) potential for movement when the real heavy ones in category "A" leave to take phony jobs with some other public entity.
WOW!FUCKING SELLOUTS.THEY GOT THEIRS DURING THEIR CAREERS (IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE) NOW THEY SCREWING OVER THE GUYS LEFT BEHIND.
Chicagosergeants.org has a link to the City's offer. Page 19 covers uniform allowance, and the reference to "voucher" is for items that are not already possessed. I can only assume that means that for a new requirement in uniforms or equipment, the city would issue you a voucher instead of having to purchase the item themselves, then having to issue it to you. For example, us old-timers can remember the new issue of flashlights, pepper spray, etc. It appears that the City no longer wants to be the middleman.
3/4 of an hour a day - supervisors quarterly payments [originally negotiated because supervisors could not earn ot in the past] - super seniortiy in units for picking furloughs over FOP members with three times as much time on job. It's not at all suprising why the "rotund one" from call back would agree to such a deal. Parasites/leeches each and every one of them.
No because the unifrom allowance is still in the contract.
Remember boys and girls the clothing allowance increases over the years were put in place to offset no raises. The City did not want pensionable monies out there so they threw the bone to the dogs. Keep this in mind when any one of you stops that asshole aldercreature from Roseland who started this whole debate.
Like the "dogs in the circus", the city makes us all, sit, stay, beg and roll over.
It's not until we bite them in the city's ass will we get some respect!
Is this a step toward a uniform commissarry, how do other city's cop like their system?
I thought it was against the general orders for any sworn officer not in uniform to drive a marked squad car, now you have an unarmed civilian driving a marked squad? R-Man said he has been told by his bosses (just as senseless as ours) that if flagged down he must stop and radio in any “problems”. What’s the city’s liability on that if the R-Man is hurt? Not to mention the public’s safety of flagging down an officer in the middle of some shit only to find out he stopped a repairman. Is this a trick on the public to see more “police” on the street?
9/28/2009 12:24:00 AM
Put on your big girl panties and deal with it. Gosh, you are wound very tight. Go back to your basement apt and watch COPS. WTF!
Vouchers may be just another way to make money for someone. When you could no longer carry kel lights. The city supplied those silly little lights. Maybe the city had to go with a low bid.
Vouchers- just take this piece of paper to a connected vendor and they will give you what you want.
Is anyone surprised by this? The Captians are all hacks, the just say, yez sur masser, and keep preaching the company line. Most of the Lts are as bad.
DICK Daley is the most anti-union democRAT in the nation.
Anonymous said...
3/4 of an hour a day - supervisors quarterly payments [originally negotiated because supervisors could not earn ot in the past]
(also to give a raise without a me-too to CFD)
- super seniortiy in units for picking furloughs over FOP members with three times as much time on job.
(Really, Get promoted and you go to the bottom of that seniority list.)
It's not at all suprising why the "rotund one" from call back would agree to such a deal.
Parasites/leeches each and every one of them. 9/28/09 05:53:00A
(You forget who sold out who first, for years the Sergeants fought to be LODGE 7A of FOP. But, Daley did not want that and John Deneen sold them out. I was there for that. He and YOU always play into Shortshanks Divide and Conquer strategy.)
You know those silly Capt's and Lt's are always ripping their pants up while chasing dude through some booby trap laden vacant lot in the hood. Oh wait, they're not out chasing people??? I thought they did.
Anonymous said...
I'm coming in with two left shoes and my cousins name tag to beg for a voucher doooooooooooooog.
9/28/2009 02:49:00 AM
You probably do that everyday anyway, the city could double or triple the uniform allowance and there would be guys who look like that.
That's why they want a uniform commissary.
UMMMMM....yes!
a mole down town tells me that the Dept is and has been calculating the feasibility of a commissary system for uniforms...read, adios uniform allowance!
The policy group doesn't like the sloppy appearance of the troops and "knows' they use the uniform allowance for things other than uniforms...my bad.
AND, the politically connected suppliers for "approved" uniforms here in town don't like the internet, what with realistic prices and all. They have grown quite accustomed to ass pounding the troops, the vouchers will only be good at their stores. Make no mistake, our own are selling us out on this one. These are the same shit-for-brains that want a power test to use the bathroom. Apparently they think Father Time will miss them and they will ever grow old, get injured, be stricken with an illness etc. We have met the enemy and they are US!
I had to handle a call after an R-Man was waved down in a marked squad. It was great, he got on the air and didn't know what to say and looked like a deer in the highlights when we got there. Nothing against him, it isn't his job, just the "city at work."
Oh and the bosses are pathetic and looking for that next promotion if they are willing to concede anything.
Sounds like "under the table" machinations right out in the open. Daley has raised manipulation to a high art.
---not a cop
capt's and lt's are worried about one thing, capt's and lt's.... remember who started this nonsense, why our very own head of the police and fire committee, mr i done been indicted but get to go to work everyday and pretend like nothing happened...
Why is it that the CFD has a commissary for their uniform items - but they also get a uniform allowance check - we should be so lucky.
Unifom voucher? Small rip=new shirt. scratch on shoes=new shoes. little lunch on pants=oops there stained new pants. foot chase holster gets scratched=new holster. Get out of squad car and scuff OS spray pouch=new OC pouch. Get out of roll call and scuff handcuff case=new hand cuff case. I will be too busy getting new uniforms than working the street. BRING IT ON. I guaratee I will be getting $3000 in uniforms a year if they pass this shit.
speaking of clout & BS. Anyone know the # of po's that went to pittsburg that were not on furlough? most of them out of 35th. it more of the thinking that we are too stupid to see whats right in front of us.
What you see on page 19 of the proposal is yet another scam method for the city to get out of paying uniform allowances, pure and simple.
Notice how they just couldn't make the language simple and unambiguous to leave no doubt, but rather they deliberately make two contradictory paragraphs that in the latter appear as though there is an out for the city to use to their benefit. Read ""Subject to available funding, during calendar year 2009 and each calendar year
thereafter, the Employer shall issue to each Sergeant a voucher that shall be used to purchase
uniforms AND...""
If you read it quickly, it would appear that it means that they only get a voucher for new issue stuff like a mandatory rifle or other some such bullshit.
BUT, and this is where the city will attempt to shit on everyone, that same sentence can also be used by the city to say that they MEANT it to mean the following:
Subject to available funding, during calendar year 2009 and each calendar year
thereafter, the Employer shall issue to each Sergeant a voucher that shall be used to purchase
uniforms... AND ALSO mandatory uniform changes.
Rest assured the city will attempt to claim this paragraph states the above and that's what they meant when they wrote it, rather than a sentence to benefit anyone else.
This is typical horseshit legal bullshit and it's deliberately written vaguely so it can be used against those it was written for.
BET ON IT FOLKS.
Everyone of you could get even with this city.
But you won't.
And you never will.
You never could stick together. Too many will continue to produce whatever some boss wants to get the little perks he gives them and no one else.
Now we have special patrol units with niffty sounding names that get NO benefits. And what happens? Hundreds of coppers sell out their bretheren and let the city shift man-power with no contractual restrictions. And what do they get for this betrayal? Nothing more than a made-up title.
Very sad. It will continue. Things will get worse. And you have no one to blame but yourselves for the weakness of your "union."
The only solution is that anyone who abandons the contract by leaving a district or an area for ANY SPECIAL UNIT is tossed from the FOP and must negotiate their own contract.
Until that happens you will continue to lose benefits until you have no more to lose.
THANKS BOSS!
Us at oec have in the last 4 yrs have given up "lost" our seniority rights,
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Please provide more deatil on this one.
Anonymous said...
I remember when the captains insignia was moved from the epaulet to the collar
The new insignia is smaller and therefore the old ones had to be replaced
I saw a letter written to the city my the non exempt captains whining that the City should provide the first issue
9/28/2009 03:54:00 AM
That was when we got a former Marine as Superintendent. It didn't affect where I put my PO rank insignia one little bit.
awwwwww......c'mon. what did I do wrong! No fair!
Remember where this all comes from: Daley never forgets a slight or an insult and the Police Department has given him much to remember.
He has much payback for the Police Department. All evil springs from Daley.
Anonymous said...
They were assured that this was only for specific first issue items only, leaving the uniform allowance intact. It would be for example a new style of hat, or new body armor.
Don't blame the Captains or Lieutenants, this is supposed to be a plus not a minus.
I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT A CAPTAIN OR LT BECUASE IF YOU ARE YOU AREA FUCKING MORON. IT IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT IS THE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO MOVE FROM ONE STYLE OF UNIFORM TO ANOTHER AND IS REQUIRING EVERYONE TO HAVE THE ITEM THEY MUST PAY FOR IT.
JUST LIKE WHEN THE CITY MOVED FROM THE MAG LIGHT TO THE CURRENT ONE, THEY HAD TO PURCHASE ONE FOR EVERYONE ON THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY MADE IT STANDARD. YOU FUCKING MORONS JUST BARGAINED TO AGREED TO SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED. PLEASE LEAD ME THE NEXT TIME THERE IS A PROBELM IN MY DISTRICT CAUSE I WILL DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE THAT YOU SAY.
AN IF YOU ARE GOING TO REFER TO OPTIONAL THINGS LIKE THE BASEBALL CAP, WHO GIVES A FUCK IT IS OPTIONAL AND YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE IT SO IF YOU DECIDED TO BUY THE RETARDED LOOKING THING THEN SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY AND STOP FUCKING OVER THE LOWLEY PO'S WHO YOU BEG FOR ACTIVVITY TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK GOOD AND WORK YOUR 4 HOUR DAYS
75 captains all exempt,the lts were told if they ever expected to be capt to vote with the shitty! So like great "pets" they did, nothing to see here all sellouts! "No wonder they get no respect"!
One of Many K said...
OT: Spoke to an R-Man the other day as I was gassing up. I was driving an old POS pool squad and the R-Man was also driving a fully marked and lighted (sp?) squad car! WTF we have a hard enough time finding a pool car now and the R-Man is driving a squad car!!!
I thought it was against the general orders for any sworn officer not in uniform to drive a marked squad car, now you have an unarmed civilian driving a marked squad? R-Man said he has been told by his bosses (just as senseless as ours) that if flagged down he must stop and radio in any “problems”. What’s the city’s liability on that if the R-Man is hurt? Not to mention the public’s safety of flagging down an officer in the middle of some shit only to find out he stopped a repairman. Is this a trick on the public to see more “police” on the street?
9/28/2009 12:24:00 AM
Does this go for crossing guard supervisors (also civilians) driving a marked squad car which is better than the POS pool car that I get to drive. Beat cars are down because of no car and can't use the crossing guards car even if she is not using it.
the scary part about the lt's and captains voting in majority to accept the contract, now this can only mean to mean that forget the 30% management we knew would vote for this but the other 30% who voted for this because they obviously owe their high test scores to someone or have been promised a bump up in rank! hopefully the arbitrator is aware of this and it doesnt play into our negotiations. all that they care about is themselves!
"WE need to march, but not around City Hall, we need to march door to door to act in the next elections. We need to expose these pricks. We need to get our people registered and out to vote."
AGREED
Firemen will be on board also.
"THINK THEY GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT SOME UNIFORM ALLOWANCE OR SOME PEON P.O.?"
Yes.
The End is Near, REPENT!!!! Goodbye uniform allowance, it was great to have known you!!!
If the city really wanted to save money they would take away the ridiculous .75 every supervisor gets every day they work. WTF? When has anyone EVER seen one of these useless, inexperienced "LEADERS" stay even FIVE MINUTES past their assigned hours. Taking this bullshit .75 would save the city plenty down the line...
OT:
Jessie and Phleger are going to D.C. they want ATF to become ATFL-alcohol, tobacco, fireatms, and Lumber. All carpenters must possess a valid L.O.I.D. It's expected to raise millions for the olympics.
Hacksaw says ""I'll give up my
2x4 —when they pry it from my cold, dead, hands!"
Bosses are retards, talked to one lately?
TO THE BRANIAC LTS (CAPT DONT COUNT):
IT IS FOR ALL NEW ITEMS
AND WHO DECIDES WHAT IS A NEW ITEM AND WHAT IS REQUIRED.
WITH THE STROKE OF A PEN J-FED COULD CHANGE THE UNIFORM TO SHORTS AND GYM SHOES W/ A MACH TURTLENECK.
WHEN THE ARBITRATOR SEES HOW MUCH IS GIVEN FOR UNIFORM HE WILL THEN LOWER ARE POTENTIAL WAGES.
OR GIVE UP EYE CARE OR RAISE THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS OF INSURANCE.
REMEMBER THE ARBITRATOR HAS TO MAKE THE FOP AND DA MAYOR HAPPY TO GET FUTURE BIZNESS.
WITH GOOFY SOUTHSIDE ALDERMAN WANTING R CASH SO THEY CAN GET RAISES AND DRINK BOTTLED WATER
EXPECT DA MAYOR TO FIGHT FOR TABLE SCRAPS AND GIVE US BONES.
JUST WATCH AS DONA-HUE ENDS UP RETIRED W/ A COUNTY OR STATE JOB U KNOW THE MARKET 4 RETIRED DIAPER DICK IS HI!?!
MY ASS!
OEMC took it up the KEESTER with the contract they just settled.
OT worked will only be compensated in Comp Time.(Dispatchers routinely work a few of their RDOs per month)
Lost Holiday Pay.
If you work a Holiday its at Time and a half.
OEMC is part of SEIU.
Side Note: SEIU has always supported to Democratic Ticket, and the few I know are card carrying members of ACORN. Coincidence?? HMMM
It would be nice to get the voucher in addition to the uniform allowance. The voucher would cover a new vest, rifle, ammo, or handgun.
To the unpublished Asshat civilian lurker who said that he can't stop thinking about SOS -
Congratulations you brainwashed asshole. You are exactly why Daley keeps a tight hold on the media, the courts and the political processes. You can't stop thinking about SOS while he sells the city out from under you, raises taxes in the City, County and State (all of which he controls via the "reverends," his brother, and the various cabals of Madigan, Burke, etc, etc.) and basically screws with your ability to ever get ahead in a fixed process.
You are a typical liberal democratic stooge. How proud you must be.
UTW,
Try again.
According to the City's proposal as posted on the Sgts Association website, the City is proposing to increase Sgts' uniform allowance to $1,800/year and also issue vouchers for uniforms & equipment. As hard to believe as it is, this proposal does not look like an attempt to take something away from the Sgts, but rather to supplement the uniform allowance with vouchers. Any ideas what's really going on here?
Hey just dangle a retro check in front of a P.O. and he will jump like a dog for a bone. I will bet we get screwed and we will be the ones that do it.
some people lose their minds once they put on a white shirt. we can all ''vouch'' for that.
If we lose our uniform allowance, will the new voucher system allow me to get hair gel and baseball caps for my covert tac team days?
Will my cuz in Area Three HGS be able to get a new Armani suit from the Mens Wharehouse?
Our union is a freaking joke. If we could pull together and get a couple lawyers on retainer, we truly wouldn't need them for squat.
This is why I have NO RESPECT for bosses!
Fucking sellouts and kiss asses all of them!
NO BALLS at all!
Is this what they teach in stupervisor skool!
The sergeants get $1800 for uniform allowance, it's not an increase.
Section 21.3 Uniform Allowance
A. Beginning in 1999, each Sergeant shall receive a uniform allowance of $1200.00
per year payable in three (3) installments of $300.00 on February 1 and August 1 and $600.00
on December 1. Effective January 1, 2004, each Sergeant shall receive a uniform allowance of
$1600.00 per year payable in three (3) installments of $533.34 on February 1, August 1 and
December 1 of 2004. Effective January 1, 2006, each Sergeant shall receive a uniform
allowance of $1800.00 per year payable in three (3) installments of $600.00 on February 1,
August 1 and December 1 of 2006 and each calendar year thereafter.
B. Subject to available funding, during calendar year 2009 and each calendar year
thereafter, the Employer shall issue to each Sergeant a voucher that shall be used to purchase
uniforms and personal equipment items which are identified by the Superintendent in
accordance with the Department’s Uniforms and Personal Equipment Program and which are
not currently possessed by the Sergeant.
Exempts working the streets once a week. Coming soon to
a district near you.
Spoke with a firefighter today who stated that the city is trying to merge all city unions into a 'consortium' dealing with only medical contractual matters.
how will it work, each union will get a set number of votes representing their union...so when medical policies re police need to be voted on, ALL UNIONS DECIDE TOGETHER; ETC.
this is being negotiated since last year...why are police so in the dark?
UNACCEPTABLE that electricians, carpenters, street & sans will have a vote affecting police or fire. you can already see the city manipulating votes like they did for the capt/lt contracts.
UNREAL...how do we differ from socialism.
To..."JUST LIKE WHEN THE CITY MOVED FROM THE MAG LIGHT TO THE CURRENT ONE, THEY HAD TO PURCHASE ONE FOR EVERYONE ON THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY MADE IT STANDARD...."
The city never HAD the Mag-Light, and I go as far back as having a Kel-Light. There was no standard flashlight, there was no order that required cops to have a light...period. I knew cops who would not carry a flashlight of any kind. So to demand that cops carry a light, it had to be standardized and it had to be purchased by the city.
Now instead of buying, storing, shipping, handing out lights (or any other new thing that might come along) the city may use vouchers, or some day a commissary system.
Also, if you were to look in publications like POLICE Magazine, the current CPD uniform is only a couple of steps above that of the Keystone Cops. There may be major uniform changes coming. Some of them may actually be good. Now do you want to hand out cash and tell a bunch of (fill in the blank)s to go and buy something when tuition and vacation bills are due or should the city hand out vouchers.
P.S. Another reason we got the Streamlights was the order that they were not to be used as weapons. But in a real fight....
"I thought it was against the general orders for any sworn officer not in uniform to drive a marked squad car, now you have an unarmed civilian driving a marked squad?"
Are you a year & a day wonder hair -gel? Crossing Guard Supervisors have been driving fully marked squads for years & yes many have found themselves in the shiznit because of it.
You have to admit, if you are honest, that very few ever spend anything close to the allowance for uniforms. The fire department has been on vouchers for years, it was only a matter of time. Hopefully, there will be some changes where most of us wear the same uniform.
I have not worked under a really decent Sgt, Lt, Capt, or Cmdr for over ten years. The brass above them are expected to be all about the good of the corporation and kiss Shortshanks ass. But the lower management I speak of are all about themselves and don't give a rats-ass about the men and women in blue who put it on the line every day. Management wonders why moral is in the gutter? They all need to look in the mirror. What was once the greatest police department in the world is now an embarrassment. I'm just holding out for a couple of years and getting the fuck out of this festering city. God help anyone with more than 5 years till retirement. You have a very long, uphill journey.
I think you're giving them all too much credit. The capts and lts are just wanting to pull the pin and get the fuck out of here. Most of them were only waiting for the 55-with medical option. No grand conspiracy, and no intentional screwing of the po's. Just getting old and getting out after 30-some years. Who can really blame them? I would if I could.
What more do you expect from these clout hungry-kiss-ass- sell outs!
Beat cars are down because of no car and can't use the crossing guards car even if she is not using it.
9/28/2009 10:21:00 AM
Take the air out of one tire and watch the political whore beg the real police to change it.
Anonymous said...
Spoke with a firefighter today who stated that the city is trying to merge all city unions into a 'consortium' dealing with only medical contractual matters.
how will it work, each union will get a set number of votes representing their union...so when medical policies re police need to be voted on, ALL UNIONS DECIDE TOGETHER; ETC.
this is being negotiated since last year...why are police so in the dark?
UNACCEPTABLE that electricians, carpenters, street & sans will have a vote affecting police or fire. you can already see the city manipulating votes like they did for the capt/lt contracts.
UNREAL...how do we differ from socialism.
9/28/2009 07:54:00 PM
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If you went to union meetings or talk with your union rep you would have known about this already. Yes the city has been trying to impliment this for over a yr now. And you are right that CPD & CFD have some things that they need that other jobs don't have to worry about.
/28/2009 12:58:00 PM
Anonymous said...
If the city really wanted to save money they would take away the ridiculous .75 every supervisor gets every day they work. WTF? When has anyone EVER seen one of these useless, inexperienced "LEADERS" stay even FIVE MINUTES past their assigned hours. Taking this bullshit .75 would save the city plenty down the line...
9/28/2009 01:21:00 PM
The sargents at the airports and courts section only work 8 hours and still get the .75
Most Lt's & Capt's will never see another promotion before they leave this job so it will not effrect them. Also they don't go thru clothes like thP.O's on the street. I know a capt who hasn't had to buy anything for the last 7 yrs except when he got promoted from Lt to Capt. So losing Uniform money won't hurt them either.
Some keep saying the Captains are nervous since their position is not really needed per Budget Management opinion....LT's can be watch commanders its cheaper and the position can thus be eliminated and City can save much money with LT.'s and Commanders only in Districts!
So they all become Company men to the extreme and are extra grateful for the $$$!
To all you disgruntled employees---QUIT!!!!!
the lt's vote was 109-101, that means not all wanted the contract, but knowing your conspiracy theory you probably figure we all got together and picked a good number so the vote looked good.
Yeah, none of us care about the p/o's, sorry you took a day or two for missing court to many times or showing up for roll call late over and over...
Not all of us are merit hacks, oh yeah sorry your theory is that maybe we weren't all merit, we just had the answers from some double secret probation study group.
Maybe its time some of you start looking at the real problem, YOURSELVES!!! Everyone is not against you, if you spend as much time studying for some of these tests as you do whining on this blog maybe you would get promoted.
Of course part of your problem was created by bosses, because a lot of you think you know everything but you really don't and when you need the correct answer we just tell you, instead of telling you to look it up or pointing you in the right direction on where to find information.
But that's ok keep saying we all suck, don't care, because a lot of us were taught by guys who put the policeman first, so even with all your hating on us we will still be there when you need us, Dam maybe we are all idiots!!!
as to the uniform change, my family has a combined over 100 years of service to this police department. change the uniform you say! this uniform and demands respect. go out of town and you may see a hat band hanging in a car (not mine). i think you must have grown uo in the suburbs. learn the respect of this police department, and its uniform if you dont like go back to the suburbs.
Us at oec have in the last 4 yrs have given up "lost" our seniority rights,
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Please provide more deatil on this one.
We have mandated overtime now. Old days if they needed 8 bodies, reverse seniority, now they rotate it so if I have 13 yrs on the job I have to stay Saturday night while some new kid goes home on time. If I refuse automatic cr #.
Same thing goes for signing up for ot. Highest number got the opportunity for the premium pay. Now they rotate it.
All of this stems from mismanagement and incompetent bosses, not hiring enough. Using manpower shortage as an excuse for the last 9 yrs.
"WE need to march, but not around City Hall, we need to march door to door to act in the next elections. We need to expose these pricks. We need to get our people registered and out to vote."
AGREED
Firemen will be on board also.
cpd calltakers and dispatcher will be on board also
hey boss if your so confident about yourself and we need to do is study more then sign your fucking name (made boss on his own)
FOP reps should show up to districts on 3rd and 1st watch and file a greivence for every 99 car.
If a watch commander holds roll call inspection he is considered to be an ass. Officers show up with dirty and torn uniforms. You look down the ranks and officers are wearing 10 different variations of their uniforms and have blue tooth in their ear.Thgis has turned out to be the slopiest looking department of any city that I have traveled to. Then ask them to do some work? You must be kidding. The promotional exams are fair and people can get promoted, just study. The merit picks get all of the best assignments and promotions to exempt. That is the problem. Have some pride in yourself and in the Chicago Police Department and its history.
the promotional exams are fair? study hard and it will pay off? bullshit! yeah if your ''study group'' is given the answers to the test. how do you explain p o s that can barely tie their shoes scoring so high. they think general orders are items on a food menu. you are fighting an uphill battle...bosses kids,LAPA stooges and friends of pols get all the merit spots. these tests are legit! i think i pissed myself! how about all those that did crap on the written exams..only to be given high marks on the oral exams?
109 assholes who sense either:
A.) an early bailout to land on some other payroll.
B.) potential for movement when the real heavy ones in category "A" leave to take phony jobs with some other public entity.
SIR, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!
"WE need to march, but not around City Hall, we need to march door to door to act in the next elections. We need to expose these pricks. We need to get our people registered and out to vote."
AGREED
Firemen will be on board also.
cpd calltakers and dispatcher will be on board also
9/29/2009 10:37:00 AM
We have the start of a serious revolution, now lets contact CTA, Board of ED, Streets and San.
We will make the politicians FEAR US!
>>>....LT's can be watch commanders its cheaper and the position can thus be eliminated and City can save much money with LT.'s and Commanders only in Districts!
So they all become Company men to the extreme and are extra grateful for the $$$!
9/28/2009 11:36:00 PM<<<
Not all company men to the extreme, maybe just a little smarter. The Lieutenants, actually any rank that works Out of Grade should have the Option of getting the Pension Upgrade for that position.
Many of the Lieutenants voted for the Contract as it stands because they felt that if they went to arbitration they would loose salary raises that the me-too clause would bring.
They also voted, mostly the late 40s to early 50s in the group for the 55 and out medical insurance. The other factors such as recorded IAD statements, alcohol testing, uniform vouchers were felt to be inevitable, other departments have them, and the city would win that in arbitration.
The divide and conquer, strategy, when John Deneen and FOP sold out the supervisors to Richie is still working.
Stay safe, if you work for a good boss, be a little grateful, and learn, because they will be even rarer in the years to come.
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