Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Referendum Goes Mainstream

  • An internet blogger who claims to be a Chicago police officer wants to fire 25 aldermen.

    The Second City Cop blogger says it's his response to West Side Ald. Ed Smith. Last week, Smith said police and firefighters should no longer be immune from the cuts in pay and benefits that are hitting other city workers.

  • The cop blogger wants this non-binding, advisory referendum on the February 2010 ballot: Should the Chicago City Council be reduced from 50 aldermen to 25?

    It's a far-fetched idea, maybe, but it could save taxpayers more than $10 million a year.
$10 million? It'd save over $32 million in aldermanic "discretionary" funding alone. Add in another $2.5 million in salaries for aldercreatures, $10 million or more in staffing cuts, the ward yards consolidated and lord knows how much graft and corruption eliminated, and we're talking somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 million and more.

We're hoping this takes off now that the local media is starting to cover it. At the very least, it might energize some grass-root types who have better access and better organizational skills.

In the meantime, we're going to suggest people print out petitions and gather signatures where ever they can - church, school, public gathering. We suggested keeping it away from work because someone will bitch. Remember, only registered voters and the person collecting signatures has to have the bottom portion notarized (do not number the pages). Many banks do it for clients, someone said the Credit Union will do it for members. We're still looking for a volunteer to collect these things, bind them and submit them. As soon as a viable candidate steps forward, we'll get their name and collection point to the readers.

In the meantime, spread the word. We might surprise some people.

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117 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW!

I...don't ....know ...what....to ....say.

A Chicago media source picked up on this??

10/27/2009 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unit rep D.T. from 009 1st watch should step up and be the point person. He's reliable, he got some balls and he couldn't give a shit about repercussions.

Plus 9 is centrally located.

He's the only name thrown out there so far.

10/27/2009 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was confused about this comment in the story:

"Jim Tobin of National Taxpayers United Illinois said the council-reduction idea is worth considering. So are police and fire salary adjustments, he said.
"I think we have too many of them," he said. "I think they're overpaid. And I think their pension benefits are out of line, as well."

Is he talking about us or the aldermen? I can't imagine he thinks we have to many police officers.

10/27/2009 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will help with the recall!!

Go to YOUTUBE

search: joeblow849

and watch the secret backdoor deals with your favorite politicians!!!!

Even ARNIE DUNCAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

10/27/2009 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How could anyone even suggest a decrease in our pay and cfd's pay for that matter?

Do they have any idea how dangerous our jobs are?

Maybe these alderman should do a ride-a-long and see what we go thru. I'm by no means a sissy, but I am at a level 8-10 with my heart pounding at least once a tour. It's fucking dangerous and these mutts are fierce.

You know, it's a real slap in the fucking face.

Thanks a lot Alderman Smith for the slap in the face. Here I was proud of what I did.

10/27/2009 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

told you SCC, take a giant stand against the obvious and you and only you can get results!!!!!! Keep it going or no retro and no raises are in our future and then this department will never be the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10/27/2009 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The City Council Chambers resembles a giant commode overflowing with fetid turds and financial waste.

It needs to be flushed and sanitized. The sooner the better.

10/27/2009 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's gotten to the point that they're just making laws to look like they're doing something.
The foi gra thing, the dog barking thing.
I mean after a while, how many more ordinaces and laws and intrusions to a persons life can be made.
Do we really need these leaches stealing our hard earned dollars to sit there and argue for days over more useless city ordinances that just make it harder and harder to live a normal life.
If anything, they need to get rid of half the ordinaces and let people live damn it!

10/27/2009 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just sit in on a city council meeting and you'll realize how useless these people really are. They discuss for days on end (i think just to waste time) some stupid useless subject and then make no progress at all on it and then just move on to another useless issue without ever really getting to or solving any problems.

10/27/2009 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to know when the last time to aldermen actually did something good for the people of the city? Everything is tax this, fine that. They have no individual minds of their own and just rubber stamp anything and everything the mayor wants.
How crushing was the meter thing to the normal middle/lower class person? Now half the city can't even afford to go downtown but once in a great while for special occasions.

10/27/2009 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will not vote for any current alderman. They ruined this city by not having balls to tackle the tough problems we face and to stand up to the mayor when we the people needed them to.

We will look back 20 years from now and we'll all remember that these were the years that this once great city fell.

10/27/2009 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But J-Fed says that no one reads the blog....


Nice job SCC, where do I sign?

10/27/2009 12:48:00 AM  
Blogger NorthSide said...

For all Chicago, Cook County and state offices, add to that:

(1) Term Limits, and a

(2) Recall Referendum Mechanism.

10/27/2009 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope that douche Tobin never needs the police or fire dept. If he does, maybe he should call Alderman Smith instead.

10/27/2009 01:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuckin excellant!

10/27/2009 01:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New York has twice the popluation as us and has 51 alderman. I know that we have twice as many as we need. I will sign

10/27/2009 03:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A scholarly type might consider contacting former Alderman Singer, now Professor Singer. He's all over that Corruption Tax. He could probably figure out exactly what the savings would be on every front. He would be honest too.

10/27/2009 03:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why no one mentions that everyone else had a new contract and or a raise except the CPD!?!?!?!?

10/27/2009 03:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you cant say it would say 32 mil, yeah they would take some of it away but it would also go into the funds of the aldermen who are taking over those wards which are being phased out, economics stupid, the cost of doing things isnt just going to go away, stuff still needs to be done

10/27/2009 04:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ald. Ed Smith
259 N. Pulaski
(773)533-0900

Give the citizens of the 28th Ward access to their Alderman.

10/27/2009 05:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT-
Didn't JFed say if he was the cause of low morale he'd resign. It's pretty obvious he is the cause, what's the excuse now?

Didn't he also say it would be irresponsible to hire more police until they get the grant. They got the grant, what's the excuse now.

I think it's safe to say his credibility is no more. He gone!

10/27/2009 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"$10 million? It'd save over $32 million in aldermanic "discretionary" funding alone. Add in another $2.5 million in salaries for aldercreatures, $10 million or more in staffing cuts..."

BULLSHIT!! It ain't gonna happen, if it did happen you would create 25 MEGA-ALDERMEN. They would each double their budget and staffs.

You are waisting time and effort that would be better spent knocking off the 50 thieves and electing working people to take their place.

10/27/2009 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahhh, the spotlight shifts to the cockroachs. Good job SCC.

---not a cop

10/27/2009 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're on a roll, don't stop now!

10/27/2009 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just printed out my petition and will make tons of copies at work ~ I can't wait to get started!

10/27/2009 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous The Truth Shall Set You Free said...

The best part of the whole article?

"Chicago will never, ever, ever miss aldermen off the payroll for 24 days," Andy Shaw of the Better Government Association. "But we will miss a cop or a firefighter or a garbage man."

10/27/2009 07:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hope to see this story on the 9 and 10 PM news on channels 2, 5, 7, 9, and 32. Hopefully, this will hit the national media as well.

10/27/2009 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we reduce the number of Alderman to 25 who is going to buy Frank Olivo (13th Ward) his White Sox tickets?

10/27/2009 07:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ans So What!! Get the Aldercreratures to Support Our Contract and Dump Daley!! DALEY IS THE ISSUE again we fail to see the Big Picture

10/27/2009 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YES,FINALLY SOMEONE IS LISTENING. I'VE BEEN FOR GETTING RID OF AT LEAST 25 ALDERMEN FOR 3 YRS.

10/27/2009 07:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Insurance companys rank 35th in profit behind railroads, Electric,and so on. they make 2.5 percent on thier return.how would you like to make 2.5 percent a year another obama lie

10/27/2009 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New property taxe increase is hitting us. They have been mailed out. The news media says Englewood was hit the hardest.

Geez them poor people are paying at least $200.00 A YEAR now.

Mine went up $43.00 a month. Fuck Englewood!

10/27/2009 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we dont get a raise or retro, this department is done!! I feel sorry for the citizens of Chicago, because the coppers that out there still working alittle now, will go to really doing nothing!! These politicians are playing a dangerous game. They're playing with peoples lifes for there own 10min of fame. These politicians in Chicago are the worst pieces of slime in the world!!

10/27/2009 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Jim Toben... I hope I get the call when you need help!

Go to hell you asshat! Try doing our job you mayor daley hat wearing ass kissing jackass!

I will get as many of thos petitions signed as I can.
Fuck this city!

10/27/2009 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to mike flannery:

its obvious that you either read this blog or someone forewards it's contents to you.

Knowing that, i wanted to let you know that when you called out the p.o who put the nurse in handcuffs on a live news broadcast, it was a perfect example of your anti-police agenda

instead of educating yourself on state law, dui processing, etc, you chose the easy way out- slam the police- who cares if he was in the right- who cares if everyone knows her lawsuit is bs

maybe you always knew the po was in the right- if so that would make your comments even more despicable

at any rate, this is why i consider the media only behind lawyers as the most despicable of all professions

signed,

still proud member of cpd

10/27/2009 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...You are waisting time and effort that would be better spent knocking off the 50 thieves and electing working people to take their place."

10/27/2009 06:47:00 AM


SHUT UP!

What have YOU done to help?

You're a worthless, insignificant, anonymous voice with no alternatives.

IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

Go back to your office on the fifth floor you stuttering prick, you!!!

10/27/2009 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, I have the signatures on three sheets. Who gets them?

10/27/2009 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ed Smiff say fuck yall mothafuckas. Yall ain't shit. Fuck tha mothafuckin Poleezes. Pussys.

10/27/2009 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You want real corruption just look at all the city council committies and their respective budgets. Their is a committee for just about every city department and everything else with large and I mean large payroll and operating budgets which never get reported because their SEPERATE from the Aldermanic budget. Their budgets get funded out of the finance committee. Most if not all Aldermen have a committee and usually put friends and family on those committees as consultants part time or as full time employees with little or NO oversite! This is all public records.

10/27/2009 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger NorthSide said...

Let's take a look at the population(*) of the five most populous cities in the United States and the number of city council members (in parentheses):

New York City 8,363,710 (51 members)
Los Angeles 3,833,995 (15)
CHICAGO 2,853,114 (50)
Houston 2,242,193 (14)
Phoenix 1,567,924 (8)

Using extrapolation, excluding Chicago data and based on the four largest cities, Chicago would have only 11 to 18 city council members.

(*) U.S. Census Bureau estimates as of July 1, 2008

3:02 AM: New York City's five boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, the Bronx and Staten Island) have a total population of 8,363,710 and is about three times larger than Chicago, not twice. Each NYC council member represents about 164,000 people versus Chicago's aldermen, each representing only about 57,000 people.

10/27/2009 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"$10 million? It'd save over $32 million in aldermanic "discretionary" funding alone. Add in another $2.5 million in salaries for aldercreatures, $10 million or more in staffing cuts..."

BULLSHIT!! It ain't gonna happen, if it did happen you would create 25 MEGA-ALDERMEN. They would each double their budget and staffs.

You are waisting time and effort that would be better spent knocking off the 50 thieves and electing working people to take their place.

10/27/2009 06:47:00 AM

You have several good points, however, watching 25 concurrent aldermanic elections, with several candidates, including two incumbent bottom feeders in each race and all fighting each other to the poltical death, would keep these pieces of shit quite busy.

daley would be like a whirling dervish, as he watched his power somewhat dissolve. Not everyone he endorses will win, thereby releasing his death grip on this rubber stamp city council. At the same time, we could knock him out of office, also.

10/27/2009 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Future of Chicago: If The Machine does not wake up

10/27/2009 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have street deputies available 24/7 to handle sensative situations that the police encounter. Maybe we should have an alderman on duty 24/7 in city hall to address problems with other city services for the citizens who work nights and weekends. They can rotate like our commanders do as acting street deputies. Man, just think Ald Smith can really help the citizens of chicago. Man, I can't wait!!!!

10/27/2009 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe Ald Smith can figure out a plan to stop his constituants from killing each other every other night.

10/27/2009 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Think of the money you'll save! Maybe Geico can lend us the little pile of money with the eyes.

For the guys saying we won't save, which Alderman do you work for? Just the fact that we won't have to indite and house them in the future is money in our pockets.

10/27/2009 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous PillowTalk™ with Leo and Mary said...

We'll pound the pavement Sunday outside Christ the King...

10/27/2009 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous HATER said...

FUNNY SO MUCH LAZINESS!

PO'S VOLUNTEERING WATCH REPS OR FOP BIG WIGS.

U ARE EITHER IN OR OUT.
FLAPPING UR GUMS LIKE MANY OFFICERS DO W/ THERE FAMILIES WILL NOT GET ANYTHING DONE.

I THINK THAT IF THIS WAS DONE TO SEND A MESSAGE THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

ONCE I HERE IM SCARED OF PEOPLE COMING AFTER ME OR JOB ACTION THE JUST ADMIT UR A "PUSSY" PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

U DONT PUT GRIEVANCES IN
U DONT VOTE
U DONT RUN FOR FOP OFFICE
U DONT BEEF TO THE WATCH COMMANDER
U DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT DANGEROUS WORK CONDITIONS
U DONT GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL ELECTIONS
U WONT MAKE ARREST OFF DUTY

BUT U DO TYPE ON A COMPUTER IN UR UNDERWEAR TELLING UR FAMILY UR SUPERCOP. WHEN IN ACTUALITY U DRIFT FROM THE COFFEE-SHOP TO DUNKIN DOUGHNUTS TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEN HIDE ON A QUITE STREET EVERY NITE.

DONT FEEL BAD UR WHAT MANY PEOPLE CALL A VICTIM!

10/27/2009 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous NineteenDavid said...

Jim Tobin of National Taxpayers United Illinois


Sounds like Jimbo is working for shortshanks.

People like Jimbo don't realize we are paid for dealing with events that hea nd most people couldn't deal with; that our life spans are shorter, family life suffers, and for things we might have to do.

In fact Jimbo, we are under paid, our pension benifits are not out of line compared to other law enforcement agencies, and we had/have a contract and are living up to
it.

As for Chigago's financial troubles look to the machine politics. The army of unneeded patronage workers hired by the Daley clan over father and son administrations. Blame the guy at the top not the underlings.

So Jimbo, if ever in need of the emergency services please call your alderman and ask that they handle it.

10/27/2009 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need everyone to call local and national media so that they will pick up on EVERYTHING WE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT AS TAXPAYERS.

This meeting was set up by Mayor Daley. He is selling off the city; He will Bankrupt this city and then LEAVE. Cant you all see this? It is led by Michael Madigan!

He wanted to take out garfield Park and other communities so that the Olympics could be there. Thousands would have lost their properties.

This would not have happened if Michael Madigan didnt end the Property Tax Cap in Springfield!!

This meeting was about selling of the Schools to Private Entities to make money for Daley's Friends. ITS ALL IN BLACK AND WHITE!!!!

Arnie had a hand in this. Hmmmmm this meeting was held AFTER he became Education Secretary!!!

Arnie Duncan Flew IN FOR THIS HEIST FROM WASH DC!!!

YOUTUBE

joeblow849

10/27/2009 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a Chicago Firefighter, and I would like to applaud the guy who started this. It has been proven in studies that 50 aldermen for a city the size of Chicago is too much. New York is bigger than us by 2, and runs just fine with almost the same amount of aldermen. Cutting 25 aldermen would not impair city services at all, but just think what would happen if fire and police were cut. How can Tobin even suggest that we take a cut in pay when the aldermen have consistantly voted themselves over 66% in pay hikes while we wait for a paltry 16% spread out over 4 years? They make almost 200K a year to do a part time job. That adds up to just stealing from us. In my opinion, aldermen have never offered the citizens of our city much and now it's even less since the beginning of the 311 service. Cutting half of the aldermen would be a breath of fresh air to us, and might even make the ones that don't get cut do some work for a change. I'm sick of the corruption laden city council, and this should fall right into the lap of the top crook, the teflon mayor, king Richard himself.

10/27/2009 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been saying that for like forever!!! We surely DO NOT need 25 of these f----! I wonder why oh why New York can operate just fine with, I think 18 and they have more people!! No mega aldermen. Just say this is the way you are gonna get paid and if you can't haddle it.....just go away!! No more "pin money" either. If fact......if anything, we need MORE police officers!! (And I am not one) I would pay a higher tax rate if there were more and a better police force in place. And oh by the way....300k is a chunk o' change too!! These aldermen do not have a clue what you guys go through in just one day on the job. Well, maybe in a 24 hour day, because you are on call 24/7. You have to be a very special person to do your job and this/these aldermen haven't a clue! Whats so special being an alderman? NOTHING!! But anyways....just think....if could get rid of 25, we could save the tax payers a ton of dough!! And still put more police officers on the street!! Good Luck with that!!

10/27/2009 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think that no one saw this mess coming, check out this video from 1948.
http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.com/2009/09/this-cartoon-seemed-far-fetched-in-1948.html

10/27/2009 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All my family hav lived in the city for the last 100 years and never once had to use an aldercreature for anything. What do they do? What do they do with all that money they get? The 311 service can replace them all, and yes it's run mostly by police.

10/27/2009 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC pleace do a piece on the 3 videos posted on youtube by joeblow849.

Now even though it is filmed probably by some of the same dirt bags who film coppers on the street it is good.

YOu got Arnie Duncun, Danny Davis, and the great Riky Hendon at Ednas rest. on Madison and Kezdie clearly have ing a little private meeting. Hendon on multiply times tells the camare man to "kiss my ass" Scott telling the guy "you ugly" etc

Please please do a post so the main stream media picks it up

10/27/2009 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Paddy Bauler's Ghost said...

Chicago ain't ready for reform. Never will be. We always had fifty aldermen. That's da way it is. Don't youse guys have any civic pride? A real Chicagoan takes great pride in our national reputation for municipal graft and corruption. Youse can have anything youse want in dis town. Just grease da right palms. And what's with dis dumb city motto of "Urbs in Horto"? Dat's bullshit. It should be "Ubi est mea?" (Where's mine?)

Da media and da feds respect our traditions and da Chicago Way. Oh, once in a while, dey go after some sardines and minnows but dey know better. Dey leave the big fish alone.

God bless da Mare!

10/27/2009 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WoW I think I just shat myself

10/27/2009 11:53:00 AM  
Blogger Jack Leyhane said...

SCC -- I understand (and sympathize with) the impulse but the number of our representatives is not the issue.

You may remember a time when Illinois had 177 state representatives -- three from each district. In Democratic areas there would be two Democrats, one Republican; in Republican areas this would be reversed. The minority party in any area was able to elect one of the three because of "bullet voting" -- you could put three votes on one individual, one and a half for two, or one for three.

There were exceptions. Richard J. Daley first went to Springfield as a Republican... then promptly switched sides... but, for the most part the system worked well.

It worked, that is, until a brash young reformer -- Pat Quinn -- got everyone riled up over the cost of the legislature. The "Cutback Amendment" would save us millions, he claimed -- and We the People bought in.

We now have fewer -- and far more expensive -- legislators. And we have a system in which all the power is concentrated in what used to be called the Four Tops -- because, at least until fairly recently, the House Minority Leader and Senate Minority Leader also had significant power.

Cutting back the size of the City Council will make it more "professional" and more dominated by staff. After a few years the savings, if any, would be negligible. There would probably be other consequences, too, not all of which we can predict from this vantage point -- any more than those who bought into the Cutback Amendment could have predicted our current situation in Springfield.

Change the players, not the system -- otherwise you'll just have the same players with different titles.

10/27/2009 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
If we reduce the number of Alderman to 25 who is going to buy Frank Olivo (13th Ward) his White Sox tickets?

10/27/2009 07:09:00 AM

AND ZALEWSKI'S TICKETS TO THE FRE BUFFET ON THE GAMBLING BOATS?

10/27/2009 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The dwarf is on the ch9 noon news acting outraged that the property taxes are going up.

What a farce.

keep voting dumbocrat.

10/27/2009 12:04:00 PM  
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10/27/2009 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger Det. Shaved Longcock said...

Damn, the main stream press never includes Shavedlongcock in their news stories... I wonder why?

LOL


Great work again to the master, SCC!

10/27/2009 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Only Sixteen (16) Wards said...

Based on the aggregate population (16,007,807) and city council seats (88) of New York City, Los Angeles, Houston and Phoenix, the City of Chicago would have no more than SIXTEEN (16) WARDS/ALDERMEN.

10/27/2009 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Bill said...

I'll be getting a few hundred signatures, guaranteed. Like many of your readers, I'm not a cop, so can solicit for them at work and at play. Have a pal who's a notary who will do that gratis, and just let me know where to deliver them and when. To the SCC-Cave underneath stately Wayne Manor, perhaps.

10/27/2009 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ot: two tact team po's in 008 ordered to pay punitive damages to a shitbag who bit one of the po's. Anyone have details?

10/27/2009 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yesterday (26 Oct) you should have seen the commotion at the currency exchange located on Ashland just north of 47th st. The computers were down, so all the "qualified" SSI collectors were jamming the place, complaining about thier money. Out of approximately 200 people maybe 5 or 6 people were actually legit. The best part was that the scene was considered a safety hazard and everyone was ordered out of the place!

10/27/2009 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike Flannery is the new head deuche bag of Chicago area newscasters. Succeeding such huge deuche bags as Jacobsen and Shaw.

10/27/2009 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This remind me of the story about the Old Bull and the Young Bull who were standing on a hilltop overlooking a herd of cows.

The Young Bull says, "Lets run down there and have us a couple of those cows."

The Old Bulls says, "No, Lets stroll down there and have them all."

We are wasting are time with this because even if we suceeded, all we would create is twenty-five Super-Alder-Thieves. Better to put the effort into knocking off these low-lifes and putting some decent people in place.

We should have a permanent Politican Action Committee, with some teeth in it. But, Shorty wouldn't like that.

10/27/2009 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The aldermen are being paid over $100G a year for a PART-TIME position. Let's cut them in half, and work full-time for that money. You don't need double the staff either and they don't need anymore raises. A lot of people who work full-time aren't even near 100G. BTW, their staff works pt too for their full pay.

10/27/2009 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is seems to me that the "all knowing brilliant media" has no idea how much waste goes into each aldermam. It's astronomical the amount of money they each get! One would think the media would be all over it. In the entire USA we have 100 Senators, but just in Chicago we have half that amount with 50 aldermen. What a waste!!! Why do we need 50 aldermen that cry poor every year while voting themselves and their staff raises every year? Hey media where are you?

10/27/2009 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It'll never work.

Signed,
Ed

10/27/2009 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unit rep D.T. from 009 1st watch should step up and be the point person. He's reliable, he got some balls and he couldn't give a shit about repercussions.

Plus 9 is centrally located.

He's the only name thrown out there so far

WHO?????

10/27/2009 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS CAN BE DONE! The most powerful and feared force are the PEOPLE. I once heard a person in power state that their only fear is civil unrest. If we rally together and let the PEOPLES voices be heard, the politicians have no choice but to listen to the PEOPLE. Petitions can be filled, call Union(s) and demand their support & assistance. NOW IS THE TIME.

10/27/2009 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad someone has finally stepped up to question the Alderman themselves, but I hope everyone is in for a heavyweight fight.

At what point would you stop trying to defend your $100K+/yr, do-nothing job?

Ultimately, the police may encounter difficulties convincing people they deserve a raise in this economy; but no one will question their existence. Alderman have neither a reasonable explanation for their existence or a legitimate reason to explain their pay raise.

I'd say if the Alderman were smart they'd stop pursuing this issue. Don't talk about pay cuts with our cities services when you yourself are a burden on the city payroll.

10/27/2009 03:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know of NOT one person who would complain about getting rid of these political hacks!

10/27/2009 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was confused about this comment in the story:

"Jim Tobin of National Taxpayers United Illinois said the council-reduction idea is worth considering. So are police and fire salary adjustments, he said.
"I think we have too many of them," he said. "I think they're overpaid. And I think their pension benefits are out of line, as well."

Is he talking about us or the aldermen? I can't imagine he thinks we have to many police officers.



I took it as his position was there were too many police. Anyone else see it that way too?

10/27/2009 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much for being INSIGNIFICANT!

10/27/2009 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone in the media should ask shortshanks "why do we need 50 aldermen with huge salaries and expense accounts for a part time job?" Shortshanks will then stutter and back pedal and give no literate answer. Politicians will never give anything back that they already have, but they expect everyone else to. Just like the democrats in congress want government health care, but make themselves exempt from it. There is absoultely no reason for 50 aldermen in chicago! What a WASTE!!!!

10/27/2009 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous REALITY CHECK said...

There's no way that U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald (or his successor) is going after Daley. Certainly since the Messiah and Eric Holder are now calling the shots, they have put the kibosh on any meaningful reforms, Chicago political corruption is systemic and so deeply entrenched, the situation is now hopeless.

Durbin, the leftie members of Congress representing Chicago, the Toddler, the alderscum and the media are all in Daley's hip pocket.

Most of the electorate are either apathetic, stupid or beneficiaries of unfettered Democratic graft and patronage.

The municipal laughingstock of the nation? So what? They are shameless.

There is absolutely no one to respond to our desperate calls of MAYDAY!

Absolutely HOPELESS!

10/27/2009 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic:
Why no thread on the recent shootout in the hillbilly boondocks of 004?

10/27/2009 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Mike Flannery;
Nice comb over.

10/27/2009 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been on the job 15plus years. And in that time the aldermen suggested themselves a raise AND voted on it 3times I think. What bothers me is how can you say I need a raise AND vote on it? That's bullshit. And these raises have ALWAYS been up there over 20%. It wasn't too long ago that they voted themselves another one. Cut them in half. They don't want to give us a raise? Then let them give back theirs!

10/27/2009 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC, please let us all know where to send these petitions!

10/27/2009 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT:

Got a letter from Bill Cozzi today. It sounds like a horrific place. But in the last line of his letter, he told me to tell everyone to stay safe. I'm sure he would like more letters.

If you can, send him a few words.

Thanks SCC.

CS

His address is:

William J. Cozzi
#40222424
P.O. Box 5000
Oakdale, LA 71463

Thanks,
CS

10/27/2009 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ot: two tact team po's in 008 ordered to pay punitive damages to a shitbag who bit one of the po's. Anyone have details?

yeah stop working goofy tact and go have coffee instead. Sorry they had to learn the hard way. Hate to see any po get hurt. Welcome to chicago, If you don't know by now, you never will

Stay safe

10/27/2009 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lay up boys.. No work until we get a contract. Do not write shit for this city. They get wat they deserve.

10/27/2009 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

northside

will you please volunteer to be the point man?

10/27/2009 05:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This city could save alot if it just did away with aldermen altogether.Budget problems all solved,with a huge surplus.

10/27/2009 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A side issue; Forbes magazine rated Detroit and Cleveland as safe metropolitan areas than Chicago. They took into account crime rates and accident rates. How scary!!

10/27/2009 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Breaking News - 007 said...

Four shot, two critical to Christ, from 69th St. and Ashland Ave. in Englewood. Alleged gang warfare. NFD at this time.

10/27/2009 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Obamao for America said...

The aldermanic system was set up to provide soldiers for the Democratic machine, to help divide the take and reward machine "faithful".

It is a legacy of blatant corruption.

All of us that have worked as the police in Cook County Il have felt the legacy of the tremendous corruption foisted upon us by the Democratic machine, and all of us that have used "a phone call", paid for spot, looked the other way or even accepted the filth of the system have some degree of responsibility.

Its time to reclaim OUR FUCKING GOVERNMENT!!!

10/27/2009 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even a Facebook page for it

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Chicago-IL/Reduce-Chicago-Alderman-Petition-2009/164828911876?ref=sgm

10/27/2009 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Ancient Motorman said...

HATER said...
FUNNY SO MUCH LAZINESS!

PO'S VOLUNTEERING WATCH REPS OR FOP BIG WIGS.

U ARE EITHER IN OR OUT.
FLAPPING UR GUMS LIKE MANY OFFICERS DO W/ THERE FAMILIES WILL NOT GET ANYTHING DONE.

I THINK THAT IF THIS WAS DONE TO SEND A MESSAGE THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

ONCE I HERE IM SCARED OF PEOPLE COMING AFTER ME OR JOB ACTION THE JUST ADMIT UR A "PUSSY" PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

U DONT PUT GRIEVANCES IN
U DONT VOTE
U DONT RUN FOR FOP OFFICE
U DONT BEEF TO THE WATCH COMMANDER
U DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT DANGEROUS WORK CONDITIONS
U DONT GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL ELECTIONS
U WONT MAKE ARREST OFF DUTY

BUT U DO TYPE ON A COMPUTER IN UR UNDERWEAR TELLING UR FAMILY UR SUPERCOP. WHEN IN ACTUALITY U DRIFT FROM THE COFFEE-SHOP TO DUNKIN DOUGHNUTS TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEN HIDE ON A QUITE STREET EVERY NITE.

DONT FEEL BAD UR WHAT MANY PEOPLE CALL A VICTIM!

10/27/2009 10:31:00 AM

********************************

Wow! Please say that this is not a cop. Probably some alderman's whore.

10/27/2009 07:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THANKS ALDERFOOL ED SMITH, FOR THE WAKE-UP CALL!
Now we can watch your dumb, lazy ass pucker, as we work to get rid of you, and the rest of the old, useless incompetent INCUMBENT FOOLS like YOU....
It's time for CHANGE People, so lets bring em CHANGE. Before they remove our voting power completely AND OUR ABILITY to produce change legally...

10/27/2009 07:57:00 PM  
Anonymous H.L. Mencken said...

"The men American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try and tell them the truth."

"No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people."

10/27/2009 08:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Way OT
interesting none the less...rumor has it that the Burger Queen is NOT going to retire in October. This rumor has caused a shortage of par forms in the district. At last count 8 of the remaining Sergeants have put in par forms. Thats right 1/3 of the Sergeants are bidding out. A source at 35th has said that at least 6 will be successful bidders thus far. WOW 40 openings for POs 6 for Sergeants at least 2 Lieutenants trying to leave...if the Burger Queen stays much longer they won't have to close the 21st District the 3rd District will close itself and 21 can take over the empty building.

10/27/2009 08:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need to organize another march around city hall for this cause. Let's get the people of Chicago rallying to reduce the number of aldermen...Let's do it!!!!

10/27/2009 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have street deputies available 24/7 to handle sensative situations that the police encounter. Maybe we should have an alderman on duty 24/7 in city hall to address problems with other city services for the citizens who work nights and weekends. They can rotate like our commanders do as acting street deputies. Man, just think Ald Smith can really help the citizens of chicago. Man, I can't wait!!!!

10/27/2009 10:03:00 AM

There are no Street Deputies anymore. The City decided to save the money for those five salaries and redistribute them to needy people by doubling up the Academy Gold stars staff and such.

So instead of someone with a little knowledge being in charge of a disaster, you now get an "INCIDENT COMMANDER". The incident Commander can be any one of the fifty or so over promoted hacks they have put in charge of District or Units. No real experience necessary, they get an eight hour class at the Academy.

So instead of one of five subject matter experts, you now role the wheel and see who pops in to help you. Now, don't you want to run out and go get 'em.

This idea sounds like it came from the law offices of Loevy and Loevy themselves. Shouldn't cost us in the long run at all.

10/27/2009 09:10:00 PM  
Anonymous clout patronage hack said...

Northside

Chicago has got it right. New York needs to reform with another 100 members for their city counsel.

10/27/2009 09:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ot: two tact team po's in 008 ordered to pay punitive damages to a shitbag who bit one of the po's. Anyone have details?

10/27/2009 12:57:00 PM

Yes! The Police hating Judge ran roughshod over the novice City Attorney, the jury didn't understand their instructions and we have another fundraiser to go to.

Three prior biting incidents not admissible? But CRs are? Are the laws that bad or are our attorneys that inexperienced? Batters and bites a P.O. and they have to pay him.

I thought that pendulum was supposed to start swinging back sometime in my lifetime.

10/27/2009 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why dump only 25 aldercreatures? Northern's figures from other big cities make sense. Like someone else said, 16 wards are plenty. Get rid of 34 of these thieving POS.
Term limits and a recall referendum are also needed for all elected offices. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

10/27/2009 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MMMMMM...sounds like Chicago??

S.F. to ease up on unlicensed drivers

Call it sanctuary on wheels: San Francisco is about to give a big break to people, many of them illegal immigrants, who are caught driving without a license.

Beginning Sunday, cops will no longer impound cars the first time drivers are pulled over without a license.

The reason: Many such drivers are in the United States illegally - and thus unable to get a license - and the officials pushing the change think that impounding their cars is an unfair hardship.

Instead, unlicensed drivers will be given 20 minutes to phone a relative or other acquaintance with a valid license and insurance to pick up the car. If the driver doesn't have a cell phone, police will help him contact someone.

10/27/2009 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

/27/2009 10:08:00 AM

PillowTalk™ with Leo and Mary said...
We'll pound the pavement Sunday outside Christ the King...

10/27/2009 10:19:00 AM
I will gather signatures and pass out blank petitiions at Friday's benefit at the FOP hall.

10/27/2009 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Future of Chicago, Part 2


City of Houston is Bankrupt (So are California, Oregon, and Pension Plans in General)

10/27/2009 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT..somebody finally reports it correctly. "The crime index was up 3.1 percent in Chicago, but down 2.2 percent over the rest of the state,but down 2.2 percent over the rest of the state"

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=332132&src=1

10/27/2009 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Ed Smiff say fuck yall mothafuckas. Yall ain't shit. Fuck tha mothafuckin Poleezes. Pussys.

10/27/2009 09:08:00 AM

HEY ED!!! you done fo'got da hibbity jibbity and da mmmm hhmmmm....

10/28/2009 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike
Flannery has his home for sale in Beverly 1.2 mil word is he is moving to hinsdale. Get out of our city you hack. P.S. cut your grass and rack your lawn , big disgrace....

10/28/2009 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I now have ten sheets signed. Where do they go?

10/28/2009 04:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets not only petition to reduce the number of alderman, but for true reform. Lets petition to change the way replacement alderman are chosen by the mayor and put into office. Pass municipal ordinance that calls for a special election within 180 days. Instead of having a council that has been appointed.

10/28/2009 05:24:00 AM  
Anonymous noone90210 said...

Years ago, Chicago had 35 aldermen, as shown in the Alderman John Powers article below:
tccs

In 1998, Tobin pledged not to raise taxes, if he won the governor's race.

10/28/2009 05:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you cant say it would say 32 mil, yeah they would take some of it away but it would also go into the funds of the aldermen who are taking over those wards which are being phased out, economics stupid, the cost of doing things isnt just going to go away, stuff still needs to be done

10/27/2009 04:39:00 AM

Why? What do they do that needs to be done?

10/28/2009 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have sacrificed and taken our cuts. People have retired and not been replaced. How much $ is the city saving there?
Minimal hires. How much $ is the city saving there?
Down a few thousand police officers. How much $ is the city saving there?

We have sacrificed plenty! Our safety is on the line each & every day due to the decrease in manpower on this department. I guess they want blood huh?

10/28/2009 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Four shot, two critical to Christ, from 69th St. and Ashland Ave. in Englewood. Alleged gang warfare. NFD at this time.

10/27/2009 06:05:00 PM

Get a life Scanner Boy.

Nobody gives a shit about the scumbags hanging out in front of Rudy's Liquor Store.

You must work in Gang Intelligence. Staring at Gang graffiti like some fucking palm reader.

4 Shot! 4 Shot! Wraaank! Polly wanna cracker.

10/28/2009 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Insurance companys rank 35th in profit behind railroads, Electric,and so on. they make 2.5 percent on thier return.how would you like to make 2.5 percent a year another obama lie

10/27/2009 08:10:00 AM
---------
And we were forced to sit through a sales pitch at roll call from an Allstate Insurance rep. wtf

10/28/2009 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic:
Why no thread on the recent shootout in the hillbilly boondocks of 004?

10/27/2009 04:51:00 PM

because we don't give two fucks about hillbillies

10/28/2009 03:02:00 PM  
Blogger Mama Luigi said...

NorthSide said...
Let's take a look at the population(*) of the five most populous cities in the United States and the number of city council members (in parentheses):

New York City 8,363,710 (51 members)
Los Angeles 3,833,995 (15)
CHICAGO 2,853,114 (50)
Houston 2,242,193 (14)
Phoenix 1,567,924 (8)

Using extrapolation, excluding Chicago data and based on the four largest cities, Chicago would have only 11 to 18 city council members.

(*) U.S. Census Bureau estimates as of July 1, 2008

3:02 AM: New York City's five boroughs (Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, the Bronx and Staten Island) have a total population of 8,363,710 and is about three times larger than Chicago, not twice. Each NYC council member represents about 164,000 people versus Chicago's aldermen, each representing only about 57,000 people.

10/27/2009 09:27:00 AM

This fella eats lotsa spaghetti! Good brain. Good work! Atta boy, Mama Loves all of you. Dumpa the slackers. People of Chicago - support these men and women! Then go eat some spaghetti.

Be safe my friends!

10/28/2009 03:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TERM LIMITS=FRESH, HONEST ,MINDS

10/28/2009 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ot: two tact team po's in 008 ordered to pay punitive damages to a shitbag who bit one of the po's. Anyone have details?

10/27/2009 12:57:00 PM

Yes! The Police hating Judge ran roughshod over the novice City Attorney, the jury didn't understand their instructions and we have another fundraiser to go to.

Three prior biting incidents not admissible? But CRs are? Are the laws that bad or are our attorneys that inexperienced? Batters and bites a P.O. and they have to pay him.

I thought that pendulum was supposed to start swinging back sometime in my lifetime.

10/27/2009 09:18:00 PM
not a chance. Keep on working people and the lawsuits with punitive damages will keep on coming too.Instead of saving for kids college you might as well save for the lawsuit!

10/28/2009 06:13:00 PM  

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