Where's the FOP Response?
Nice response by the CFD Union:
- Press Release:
Chicago Firefighters Union Local 2 response to call for unpaid time off for Chicago Firefighters/Paramedics
With regards to the suggestion of the City's administration and aldermen to have Chicago Firefighters and Paramedics take furlough days off, I must first tell you that the City and the Union agreed at the start of our contract negotiations that we would not negotiate in the press. Unfortunately, the City is not able to live up to this arrangement. Recent public statements by the Mayor and members of the City Council give us no choice but to respond to their recent published remarks.
It is obvious that fires, accidents, hazardous materials incidents and the need for quick and competent firefighter and emergency medical response do not take a holiday or a furlough day.
The taxpayers of Chicago need to know that when they call for help in their darkest hour, there will always be fully staffed emergency service ready to respond. Chicago Firefighters and Paramedics provide protection for these always existing dangers, but we must also have the manpower and capability to respond quickly and successfully to an emergency and potential catastrophe. The world we live in has changed, and we cannot afford and should not gamble on the public's safety. The safety of our citizens and also of our responders is paramount and we must not jeopardize their well-being by reducing fire and emergency medical services.
The motto of the Chicago Fire Dept. is “We’re there when you need us” but that may well not be the case if reductions and cuts are implemented.
Tom Ryan
President
Chicago Firefighters Union Local 2
And the FOP response?
Pretty much summarized right there. We're all for taking the high road, but when the mayor and his lap dog media types are the only ones talking, guess who the public is listening to? Silence isn't doing us any favors at this point and being gentlemen in a mudslinging contest means the police are the only ones covered in mud. It isn't like the arbitrator is penalizing the city and Shortshanks for their underhanded techniques. We don't win any points for taking it in the shorts day after day after day. Step up and make a statement FOP. Even if it's just on your website.
Labels: contract stuff, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
64 Comments:
Mark is still waiting for his "Press Release" from the
'Man on 5'!
And while we are cutting down on staff, how about cutting down on the 'FOP Paid Staff'!
should have voted for kevin jans.hope you run again.we need a street guy backing us
FLOP is not going to respond because it's in Shortshank's pocket. Chicago police officers don't have any representation. FLOP's response will be that negotiations are going on and they can't say anything. Useless shitheads!
Donahue has plans to be a lobbiest in Washington DC, so rumors say, and he wants little Dick's, umm I mean Daley's help... Hello Mark????
Here's an important update from the FLOP website:
"Minnesota Metro Lodge #3, along with the Minnesota Police Officers Ski Association (MPOSA), would like to invite the Chicago area FOP to a reunion and tradition in the ski bluffs at Big Powderhorn Mountain in Upper Michigan, February 1st-4th, 2010.
Please follow the Lodge #3 Ski Link for complete details and contact information."
Toothless...
Demonstrated inability/will to defend the membership when their very LIVES are literally at risk...
Tends to curl up in the fetal position while wearing a "kick me" sign...
Absolute refusal to tear the living hide off shortshanks, the alderthieves and the butt-slut local media for their outrages against the ONLY safeguard against TOTAL chaos in this Godforsaken den of heathens, cretins and ass-clowns we're forced to inhabit...
FOP pledged allegiance to shorty and expects to be rewarded with cush do nothing, no accountability jobs to feather their own nests when the membership turns their asses out.
Grade schoolers show a greater sense of moral outrage than this herd of humps...
FIGHT FOR US, DAMN YOU!
CAN'T YOU (finally)SEE THAT THE CITY WON'T SETTLE THIS FAIRLY OR IN GOOD FAITH?
So resolutely irrelevant that we've been reduced to nothing but objects of scorn & ridicule!
YOU WERENT PAYING ATTENTION SCC, MARK DONAHOE DID RESPOND.
HE SAID IT WAS TIME FOR A TOGA PARTY.....TOGA,TOGA,TOGA,TOGA!
C'mon FOP! Couldn't you at least get together with Local 7 and make a joint statement? It seems as though we're twisting in the wind these days. Why do I feel like an orphan? I'm pro FOP but you're making it hard.
The FOP response will be well crafted and timely as always. The City Wide Team will confidentley announce, "The 2010 Golf Outing has been scheduled for August 2010,Reserve your foursome now".
You get what you get, and you don't get upset.
Got my FOP Credit Card, what yous got.
Why should the chickenshit FOP make any statements at all? You never hear from them on anything. Do they even exist? They make their money, regardless. And I believe they sleep with the city, anyway. What do you think?
our 19th ward alderman should be sticking up for us too. Her silence is deafening. I will remember this come election time and I how all th police and fire in 19th ward do too.
Fop from day one has been a sorry excuse for a union (oops a fraternal order)Mark Donahue is a joke, he is just like the Dineen and Nolan collect their money and run. Have you ever called FOP about anything and get the answer "well there is only so much we can do" what a bunch of BS. Remember if you see any of these asswipes from FOP run for office next time mark the box for the next Candidate. At times It has been said on SSC site "we have nothing" on FOP site it should say "we do nothing".
You'd think Donapuke would talk to his buddies down at the national lodge and they'd all get together and make a concerted statement against the shit Daley's pulling....
But, since all FOP presidents have slept with Daley to get afterlife jobs they couldn't get on their own, we'll just eat Daley's shit once again and hope the arbiter can see clearly through Daley's bullshit and hopefully put aside all his poor boy bullshit and give us a raise comparable to what New York has received.
I'm beginning to think that Mark is related to the Mayor somehow.
Jesus Mark, suck up your balls, act like a man and take care of the business you were elected to do.
---not a cop
Dear SCC, it is unfair of you to compare us the the ff union. We are working hard for the FOP membership, as evidenced by the recent uniform resale and the expanded planning sessions for the 2010 picnic.
Wr have been meeting with our consule and have crafted a response to the city's request for furlough days.
Dear Mayor, ditto to the fire union statement.
the gloves should ve come off along time ago! their lack of response makes them look like falldown guys for shortshanks.FOP= keep a lid on the troops and you will be rewarded?
MARCH MARCH CPD MARCH CFD MARCH MASTERS MASTERS!
can we contact the national lodge for support or to make a statement?? its obvious that our local lodge doesnt give a shit and has no balls!!!
To what end this press release? The general public sentiment toward the police can be described as antipathy at best. The mayor's salvos in the press are nothing but preaching to the choir. The people hate us, believe we are overpaid and would love to see us have to take days. But public sentiment is not going to determine our contract. While firing off a scathing press release may be cathartic for some, our only concern as a collective bargaining unit should be presenting our strongest case to the only person who's opinion matters -- the arbitrator.
Really, why FOP has not made a statement to the media (along with the CFD-stronger in numbers) is beyond me. I am curious what their strategy is. C'mon Pres., get out there and stand up for us!
Everytime I need a good laugh, I review the promises of the CITYWIDE TEAM prior to the elections and all the "reforms" they would insititute after slaying the NOLAN giant well Nolan is still a "voting" member of the board, think about it Nolan who represented the "rank and File" for years and now is a Boss for Dart. Markie isn't about making waves Markie is about Markie and if anyone believes otherwise maybe Markie will take you with him....... Can't wait for Bella, Doherty, Davis to run for re election and what will they say at rollcalls gotta laugh and Bella you started out on the right side and sold your soul for the pot of gold........too bad you could have made a real difference.
wharej
Unit 603
how about this statement we will take a unpaid furlough day for every alterman daley lets go.The city can be runned under 25 police districts so why do we need 50 alterman.I am suprised that this hasent been brought up Ha Ha.We all know why because our union runs away from Shortshanks.I belive its time to call for a no confidence vote for our F.O.P. Maybe they would start to think the party is over and they need to stand up for their members.if we dont act now we will get it shoved up our Ass again.
If this is forced upon us let the backlogs begin.....
good for local 2. daley is using the media like he always does. he broke his promise not to negotiate in the media so local 2 stepped up and called him on it. good job local 2!
OT
The bailing from the sinking ship of the 003rd District continues. 5 Sgts are leaving 003 on the next transfer order. 2 more missed their bids.
A messasge for Lt Pap-Smear: Quit driving our Sgts from the district with your petty micromanaging BS! Those guys you drove from our watch took care of us.
I only watch Fox News so can't say what the other local networks did but, I'm happy to say they interviewed people on the street (randomly) and every one of them said it was a bad idea for Police and Fire to be subjected to the furlough days. I was glad to hear that at least.
Please stay safe.
Someone who's not the police but tired of hearing you folks bashed by the most of the media and our overpaid, incompetent "leaders". And I do use "leaders" very loosely!
The FOP is in bed with the city! That's why!
Sugarman Horwitz (Sugarman & Horwitz*)
221 N LA Salle St # 626
Chicago, IL 60601-1241(Chicago, IL Metro Area)
Phone: (312) 629-2920
The Law firm that represents the CFFU, these two lawyers were probably the source of the letter written by the Fire Union. Excellent attorneys.
This is not a shameless plug only stating a fact. From a fireguy who knows.
TYPICAL FOP. THEYLL GET TO IT .THERE FAMOUS QUOTE.THEY ARE HARDLY EVER ON THE NEWS DEFENDING US.WISH WE HAD OTHER OPTIONS A SECOND UNION TO JOIN INSTEAD OF THESE GUYS. THEY SHOULD STOP SENDING OUT NEWS LETTERS POST EVERYTHING ON THE FOP SITE AND HAVE A PERMANENT NEWS GUY.IM SICK OF IT ALL JUST ANSWER YOUR JOBS .LIKE SONNY SAYS IN A BRONX TALE NO ONE GIVES A SHIT,NO ONE CARES. THINK ONE OF THESES GUYS ARE GONNA LOSE THERE CUSHY SPOTS TO PROECT US.HELL TO THE NO.WE BASICALLY HAVE NO UNION LETS FACE IT
Way to go FOP. The city wants to force 24 unpaid furlough days on the members and you sit like quiet little mice. Assholes-all of you.
How about a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the FOP??
flop is probably going to agree to it without asking us or telling us, just like the 4 and 2 schedule. Dont get me wrong i like it but they didnt even ask for a vote by the members, they just agreed to it. USELESS, we pay dues for nothing.
And I thought nolans team was bad, they look like heroes compared to this clown crew. I dont even think we have a union anymore, were they dissolved? might as well be, you cant tell they even exist, except for the monthly newsletter. what a joke. Maybe our lowest low when it comes to our unions history.
Ok, I know any type of cohesion is all but impossible on this job anymore in terms of slow down,blue flu,not working CTA for anything less than OT,etc, but in light of the fact that this unpaid furlo thing is looming in the near future I have a way of making sure that the public sees exactly how NUTS this city and department have become. If and 'when' we get this shoved down our unwilling throats all we need to do is follow our rights (assigned in our contract....the old one) and make good and sure we don't go out there riding 99 on 3rd and 1st watches for officer safety reasons... We all know the if the department squeezes us into an unpaid days off situation they're going to try and run 99 units all over to cover (kind of like now) so I figure if the public has oh..2 two person beat cars per sector citywide some buts will pucker. This solution doesn't take money out of anyones pocket but sends a clear message. That having been said I hope it doesn't come to that and the ring masters running this circus just use all the $$$ that we had 4 an "olympics" that doesn't exist now (strange haha) and learn how to really budget thier...OUR money and get some efficient use out of it.......who am I kidding..I'm done.
The FOP is as corupt as our mayor's regime. Just as our elected officals should have term limits so should the do nothings at the FOP. Do not vote for anyone who is holding a position at FOP. We need new blood.
My sister is a paramedic and they are already overworked. She is always working her off days. Although the ot is nice, the paramedics work for the entire 24 hrs that they are on duty. We must not concede to the demands of city hall. This is the front line in our battle. They are successful in getting the citizens on there side. We need to inform the citizens about whats really going on with the city services. Get off your asses FOP board members and do something. If you fail here, your done!!!
Jagoff Donahue ain't gonna say shit. Just a little more time and he'll have a nice job lined up for himself.
Don't rock the boat fellas. Steady as she goes. Steer clear of those political rocks.
FUCK HIM and every other member of his cabinet. They can kiss my white pastey ass come election time.
You fuckers haven't done and will never do shit to help us.
Fuck You.
fop stop medical abuser
every police officer should have a bank of 365 medical days
you choose to use ,or abuse or never use medical days
when you retire city pays out for half the medical days
most officers never use the medical , but many do and causes others time due to be denied or work 1 man cars
I believe another march on City Hall may be in order. Also why don't we as a group start working precincts against Daley? A few hours here and there with literature very friendly. If all the prople who showed up at the rally pitched in we could easily cover every pct in the city door to door. I really believe that this will get the attention of Daley. The other unions did it when they got pissed about Wal Mart and they knocked out 6 (?) alderman. Now these babys wont go near another Wal mart vote with a ten foot stick out of fear. We realy should start thinking about it This is really getting hard to take and we don't have to if we don't want to What do you guys and gals think?
The only time you ever see those guys is at rollcall at election time. wothless!
The FOP only becomes concerned when the members talk of NOT PAYING UNION DUES, anymore and talk of switching to Teamsters.
FUCK the high road. You cant take the high road dealing with Daley. If he wants to paly hard ball, then we should too. If I am lucky enough to someday hold a position in the union, I will be sure to it that the FOP has a response to EVERY negative thing the mayor says. And No, I am not an anti FOP guy, just sometimes do not think we are doing enough
This is one of the many reasons we just don't trust our FOP! We wonder what is their reason for remaining silent so often? Why would they not comment on something that they should? Is there a back door deal for them if they play ball with the city? The city has lied and negotiated through the media so often and all we hear from if the firefighters union.
When's the golf outting?
Marky mark and the funky bunch Tommy Ryan made a stand what say you? 701 wants 4 on 2 off but you say NO! Hmm after billy and greg told the guys "get the petions signed we will take care of the rest as long as the commander wants it?! lies again? heard the airports did the same but now you guys are starting the bullshit you jags do nothing but lie! Hey greg your going to run for flop president? lol! forget it kid your gone with the rest of the boot lickers to little to late!
MAYBE IF WE ASK DONOGHUE ABOUT A FISHING DERBY, FUNDRAISER, FOP PICNIC, FLU SHOTS OR ANY OTHER ISSUE, WE MIGHT GET A RESPONSE FROM FOP(Fucking Over Police).
HOWEVER, LORD FORBID DONOGHUE AND COMPANY FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS UNDER THE CONTRACT.
QUESTION:
How much worse off could we be if we just start from stratch and form an independent union body with a VERY limited amount of OFFICERS that realyy have our best interest at heart.
JUST ASKING????????
No im not an FOP fan, but would it be wise to say anything out of the box or rock the boat while awaiting the arbitrators decision. If they did and the arbitrator took exception to anything FOP said they would be hated more than they are. Besides no one cares what we think or what our half assed union thinks anyway. Police are not liked and if we get a large raise we will be liked even less.
F.O.P. = Forget Our Policeofficers!
I'm holding my breath..I..m..still..ho.l.d..ing...
The flop could be used as a great tool instead of being a tool and run by a tool.
The FOP has become completely innocuous; a pathetic lame and toothless tiger.
We should change their name to the F.O. ME. That's is all they're concerned with!
yes the fop sleeps with the city. i dont understand why they was not voted out i sent my ballot in and voted against everyone.next time return you ballot
Nice to known the Fop has our back. The Two Year wonder
Bill Burns. Have you been to a meeting? My guy is going to be Bill Burn for FOP president. He's the sgt at arms and he's a working policeman and he answers every question I have for him every time I see him or call him.
DUMP DONOHOE, get rid of FLOP, enough's enough....
Dear FOP, please begin sending my dues to FF union
local 2, Change I can believe in.
Please refer any questions to info@bettergov.org to Andy Shaw. The FOP has 28 members on its Bd. of Dirs. The NYC Council only has 51. The FOP pays $14,000 a month in enhancements to the Bd. Donahue makes D8 pay (approx. $200,000 a yr. with car, stipend, free gas, free insurance, etc.)
The other guys inside make about $130,000 a year. GO SHEILDS!!!!!!!
The FOp won't respond properly because they all owe shortshanks now. They're too busy kneeling before Richie. If not for shortshanks being Irish, they all might have choked to death by now.
Here's a suggestion. Instead of paying all these officers exempt pay, why not hire a media relations firm and a labor attorney to handle the media and the contract negotiations for the union. With a three month evaluation on performance, just to keep them from getting corrupted by city hall. We need a strong voice and the money is there to afford the best.
Stay Safe.
The only way to get people in the FOP that will give us fair representation will be for the guys with less then 10 years on to get involved. They must begin filling up the hall for meetings and they must begin to learn the by-laws of the union.
The current union is nothing more than a good old boys network. They are only worried about themselves. They are kissing up to shortshanks so they can land in an easy spot when they retire.
Also, I know this will piss a few people off, but we must elect every single detective out of the FOP they have been negotiating contracts for themselves and always seem to leave patrol flap in the wind.
Also, we need to get everyone with 18 or more years out of office because all they are doing is buying time so they can leave to the easy spot that they sold their soul for.
This department went from the oldest to the youngest in less then a decade. The younger guys are the ones who should be stepping up, not the old timers. The old timers are just attempting to set themselves up after retirement and trying to sweeten their pension benefits. If the young guys do not step up, there will not be a pension to sweeten for them.
This is a serious problem we have within the FOP and until the younger coppers step up this department is doomed.
Then people wonder why no one goes to FOP meetings. Everyone should go just to put pressure on FOP to really stand up for us. Cant wait for new FOP elections.
FOP is scared. D.B. 021
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