4 and 2 Back On?
Was it ever really off?
Was it a ploy to generate a whole bunch of bad feelings?
Could it all have been avoided if the FOP put out a message on their website over the weekend? Or didn't make all sorts of pronouncements before having anything in writing?
Was it a ploy to generate a whole bunch of bad feelings?
Could it all have been avoided if the FOP put out a message on their website over the weekend? Or didn't make all sorts of pronouncements before having anything in writing?
Labels: city politics, we got nothing
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
80 Comments:
Yes!
FOP reps were firm in their assertion that 4 and 2 citywide has not been taken away from us.
They visited our roll call today.
I'm an emotional rollercoaster!!!
Why didn't Jody update the troops on BLOG 501?
IMHO it would be great to have a CPD military vet of OEF or OIF run for office...
It could have been avoided if people could stop spreading dumb ass rumors, just to see how far they go!
Please say this is true!!!!!
When i read your post about it being DOA i threw my pop at the wall and was so pissed off i couldn't even tell you.
I don't know who you got your info from SCC but you sure billed it as being pretty damn acurate and started a shit storm across the city. Now i don't know what to believe. Is it off, is it back on? What the hell. Maybe FOP will have some answers.
Whatever just let me knoe what I'm working.
I hope so. That's all we got going for us right about now.
Masters.
They have to let us know before the bidding starts for next year...within the month I imagine.
I find it a bit interesting, the city and the FOP had a "gentlemens"
agreement not to air contract negotiations through the media, and the city hasn't stopped once voicing their unsolicited opinions on the matter and yet the FOP still abides by the handshake agreement, now I ask "WHAT IS UP WITH THAT????"
They really need to be more on-top-of-things, and let their organization members be made aware of at least the status of their goings-on, if they cannot put to paper an actual list of what is taking place.
I mean what does it hurt to type, presented all materials to arbitrator, must wait xx days , things of that nature.
But, I guess as always, thats just a bit too much to ask, after all they have parties to attend.
thanks SCC you gave me a heart attack for nothing
A bullshit rumor to get the troops distracted from the city council down sizing campaign ????
Shortshanks is a evil leprechaun full of nasty tricks !!!!
I am so dissapointed in the FOP, Where are they thru all of this? We need 120,000 plus signatures and not one thing has been mentioned by them. Did you all forget b4 you were begging for our votes all the piss and vinagar and desire to help us? We need the FOP to step up and help! What the fuck! When its time for re-election I swear I will not vote for anyone whos there now. Dont make empty promises in hopes of landing such a cushy spot because if all the voting members feel as abandoned as i do, Your gonna be back on that beat car just like me wishing you would have done what was right.
J-Fuck i hate you
Masters-bater
WHO....GIVES....A.....FUCK!!
GIVE ME THE RAISE I"M ENTITLED TO AS WAS DONE FOR ALL OTHER CITY UNIONS AND AGENCIES..... AND POLITICIANS.
The beautiful thing about this whole fiasco is that it was bullshit from the get-go and I knew it to be just that. 4-2 was never off and so many assholes just ran their mouths and threw shit on this blog with no confirmation whatsoever. Did it ever dawn on these fucking rocket scientists that this shit was posted on a friday night so nobody could call the FOP to confirm this????? NO!!!! That would be too fucking simple! What a bunch of idiots. Everyone got their undies in a bunch all over a bullshit rumor. Kinda like the one post that said "Jodys gone in 2 weeks.....you heard it here first" What true fucking idiots. That was posted months ago and is he gone? Or the one asshole that keeps posting "Sgts will be giving back 45 minutes they get every day you heard it here first" The retarded fucks that post this shit are true morons that dont know shit and only work to demoralize a dept who's moral is already in the toilet. So keep posting bullshit......it makes for good entertainment! LOL
Jeez, I am so sick of stupid goddamn rumors! I was answering questions all weekend from PO's, Sgt's and Lt's and I told them what I knew, that this was just another silly rumor, no confirmation either way.
So now comes another rumor that the previous and latest "confirmed fact" was just another rumor. That is the rumor anyway.
SCC, please, when something is this important and has the potential to inflame thousands of already generally pissed off and unhappy people, can you please wait for rock solid independent confirmation?
Hearing from a guy who spoke to a guy who heard from somewhere that this or that or the other is definitely maybe the God's honest truth doesn't cut it.
Don't you remember case reporting 101 that goes right along with Police Work 101? If it isn't documented, what is it? IT'S BULLSHIT!
Here, engrave this right on your computer monitor
"If It Isn't Documented, It's Bullshit!"
If I was Jody, Masters, Cuello, Dugan or Daley I would post all sorts of bullshit rumours on this blog and watch all these stupid motherfuckers piss and shit all over themselves for no reason at all other than their own stupidity and gullability. We are supposed to be smarter than the average Joe????? Makes you wonder!
Was it ever off?
I heard from some guy who read it on a shithouse wall that the mayor wants the police to all work for free for a year to help balance the budget. Really.
Heres a lesson, until you see it on paper, it is neither on or off. That is this department. It changes on a whim. So until you are actualling working a 4 and 2, anything can happen
4-2 is on SCC! why do you have to stir the pot so much all the time
When i read your post about it being DOA i threw my pop at the wall and was so pissed off i couldn't even tell you.
11/02/2009 01:13:00 AM
Domestic violence will cost you your job and your freedom.
Does that also mean sine management & labor affairs, both airports,mass transit,all commanders and bosses are for the 4 & 2 that they will also get it? But Mark said "NO"! Who the fuck does he think he is the great OZ? If the coppers petiotioned for it,the bosses want it but you sit there making over 160K of "our money" who are you mark to say no? Is that acting in the best interest of membership? HEY MARK GOT GOLF?seems that is all your interested in? Did you get that job your looking into,with daleys approval after your retire with that $128,000 per year pension? Maybe greg could get this done? maybe?
6 AND 3 ROCKS.
Maybe a phone call before posting. I think there are some A-hole coppers that try to post crap on here and see how far it takes off.
This being a good example.
Guess it goes with the territory(internet)
It could have been avoided if people could stop spreading dumb ass rumors, just to see how far they go!
11/02/2009 01:01:00 AM
Hey, cut that out. This blogs wouldn't be shit if it were not for dumb ass rumors.
Please say this is true!!!!!
When i read your post about it being DOA i threw my pop at the wall and was so pissed off i couldn't even tell you.
I don't know who you got your info from SCC but you sure billed it as being pretty damn acurate and started a shit storm across the city. Now i don't know what to believe. Is it off, is it back on? What the hell. Maybe FOP will have some answers.
11/02/2009 01:13:00 AM
thanks SCC you gave me a heart attack for nothing
11/02/2009 04:30:00 AM
Calm down ladies. This blog is the best fucking thing that ever happened to you. It's an open forum and for the most part it's usually mining gold. So what are you complaining for?
Should SCC be held to a higher standard than the "legitimate" press? The majority of the time it breaks stories 2-3 days before you see them in the print or television media and even then sometimes it makes it on because it was posted here. But then I suppose it's all about you, eh?
Get a fucking grip and show a little more appreciation for the major sacrifice whoever runs this blog gives to put it out there for the edification of your lazy donut-eatin' ass.
---not a cop
Anonymous said...
"I find it a bit interesting, the city and the FOP had a "gentlemens"
agreement not to air contract negotiations through the media..."
11/02/2009 04:11:00 AM
The only way a "gentlemens" agreement is valid is if it is made between gentlemen, but the name Daley and the word "gentleman" don't even belong on the same planet!
FOP has weekends off...@ least they showed up Monday!
Bye bye 3 day weekends and 17 days not I am not able to make part 1 arrests on my tact car!
Oh.....and one more thing....the city wants this because it will spread the manpower more evenly on the watches. They want it more than we do. Why you ask????? Because it saves them more money!!!!
Anonymous said...
Please say this is true!!!!!
When i read your post about it being DOA i threw my pop at the wall and was so pissed off i couldn't even tell you.
I don't know who you got your info from SCC but you sure billed it as being pretty damn acurate and started a shit storm across the city. Now i don't know what to believe. Is it off, is it back on? What the hell. Maybe FOP will have some answers.
11/02/2009 01:13:00 AM
Who says "Pop"? lol
So it was an unsubstantiated rumor with no links or quotes attributed to "authorities". What did you expect. It stirred up 230 comments though.
Pssst! By the way, don't say anything, but I heard J-Fed is leaving by the end of the year and Lily Crump-Hales is on track to become the first female Superintendent in Chicago Police Department history!!!
Trick or Treat?
TRICK!
Love,
Da Mare
If the 4/2 schedule is going citywide then why is the operational calendar not published yet? Look at the language on the FOP's website. It says draft version of the calendar.
In past years, the opeational calendar was already out and published way before novemeber. Its funny that the FOP went to 014 and told them that the 4/2 schedule is not dead because they are the district that is piloting the 4/2 schedule.
My prediction: The pilot programs will continue on in the current districts and no other districts will be added. Then they can say that the 4/2 schedule never died, but it died citywide though.
I may need to hit the medical due to all the emotional stress!!
We are keeping the 4 & 2 wich is still the old 6 & 2. You will now be giving that time back as furlo days. Ha Ha! Whatevvea?
Hey Inside, West-side Do Nothing,
I guess you were the FOOL to believe the 4-2 schedual was GONE!!! Better switch to a new hair gel because the one your using is poisoning your brain. Now you only have 4 days to clean under the Captains desk!!
PS: YOU bid to the desk...YOU agreed to the terms of the contract...YOU are the biggest suck-hole of them all!! If you were on board you would be working a beat car doing absolutely NOTHING!!!!! You are just as bad as the coppers doing movers, parkers, arrests. NOW GO CHANGE YOUR HAIR GEL!!!
I'm an emotional rollercoaster!!!!!.....I second that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"A bullshit rumor to get the troops distracted from the city council down sizing campaign ????
Shortshanks is a evil leprechaun full of nasty tricks !!!!
11/02/2009 04:50:00 AM"
and yet, it seems to have solidified the desire to down size the shitty council.
go figure.
:)
Guess inside westside moron isnt as smart as she thinks! Id say you owe the city a great big apology, but you can start by SHUTTING THE BLEEP UP!!!
FLOP!
oh man, i was dreading working 6 and 2 the rest of my life. it was eating away at me. 4 and 2 will make life livable
My schedule is STILL the best go to work 5 days and do NOTHING.
It was never a handshake, or handled in the media.. It was a rumor that went out of control because it was considered truth because you read about it on the blog.. 4 and 2's were signed, and not yesterday. Don't be so easy, it's really embarrassing
SCC I thought you were better at verifying your information. All that B.S. for nothing. Im starting to give up on you!
People who hate SCC because of flase rumors, forget how many times you have been on target.
Additionally, to those same people I ask, where else can you vent your frustrations with being a cop in this city?
So, whether or not the 4-2 is dead or alive, the fact remains that the department still does not treat us with the respect we deserve. Fuck this mentality of you have a job to do. No where was I told when I came on this job that part of your responsibilities include being disrespected by the city and the bosses.
So this is a good place to vent about the facts and the fiction of being a Chicago cop.
Do I care about integrity and respect? Yes, I do, but I will be damned if I am going to keep on turning the other cheek to those politicians, bosses and even other cops who do not afford me that courtesy.
AND FOP, come on! You can make a statement without playing out negotiations in the media.
Who caress.1 and the 16th.4 and 2 .1and6 12 and 70 what ever
As much as its your right to post rumors SCC. This one couldve easily been comfirmed or denied with a simple phone call to the FOP. SCC you got a little lazy and hopefully you arent starting to take after these lazy moronic journalists in this town. Your accurate posts far outweigh the inaccurate. So on that note keep up the good work.
I was so pissed off about the 4 and 2 being off that I put a brick through my front window and broke all the dishes. Then on my way to get dressed for work I slipped on a pile of broken dishes and hurt my back. I had to go on the medical.
When I got back from the doctor I heard the 4 and 2 was back on. I was very careful not to slip on all the broken dishes and hired a guy to board up my broken front window. But I was so happy about the 4 and 2 being back on that I went down to the tavern to have a few brewskis with the guys.
I got carried away and blew off my scheduled appointment at the medical section. I checked my messages and there was one from a boss telling me I will be suspended for failure to follow medical roll procedure. This pissed me off so much I kept on drinking. Then I called some boss up and cursed him out and got written up for insubordination! Or so I was told, I can't remember.
Then they asked me to leave the tavern because they were closing. so I left and some idiot drunk in a car hit me head on so I got carried to a hospital. Next thing I knew I was being read my rights and was handcuffed to the hospital bed!
Fuck that I thought so I un-cuffed myself and left to go home! But there is still a pile of broken dishes in my house and my car is now smashed up so I took the bus to my sister's house.
She wouldn't open the door for me and I guess I kicked too hard because the door broke. I heard sis inside screaming and her husband said something about getting his gun. But my sister isn't married I remembered. That's when I learned I was on the wrong street so I beat it out of there.
Wondering what to do then I stopped at the local library branch so I could use the computer to check the blog for the latest updates. I sure hope I have a job next year so I can try out the 4 and 2.
Damn, I hate rumors.
The FOP doesn't respomnd to or recognize every chicken little, sky is falling, bull shit rumor that floats through our department. That is why it wasn't on the web site. Secondly, until you see a piece of paper with JW's signature on the bottom of it saying this 4-2 is off, it isn't off.
I think SCC has changed the department for the better. Don't do this again, SCC.
I entered a post a while back about this website being a little like a fire. You chose to to post it, but I think this scenario proves my point.
The site is definitely useful, it shines some light where there would otherwise be darkness, but it can also be a constant barrage about everything that sucks on this job. An inferno that just burns and burns and all everyone can think of is how bad this job is screwing them and everyone else over.
I'll admit things are very bad, but they're not always as bad as this site makes them out to be.
Who says "Pop"? lol
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I thought everyone from chicago says POP. suburbanite
Anonymous said...
Does that also mean sine management & labor affairs, both airports,mass transit,all commanders and bosses are for the 4 & 2 that they will also get it? But Mark said "NO"! Who the fuck does he think he is the great OZ? If the coppers petiotioned for it,the bosses want it but you sit there making over 160K of "our money" who are you mark to say no? Is that acting in the best interest of membership? HEY MARK GOT GOLF?seems that is all your interested in? Did you get that job your looking into,with daleys approval after your retire with that $128,000 per year pension? Maybe greg could get this done? maybe?
11/02/2009 07:59:00 AM
Nobody feels sorry for you. Whaaa whaaaa i work at the airport and do nothing all day and can't get a new schedule. Bid the f*ck out and help us answer all these calls on the streets and then you'll get your new schedule.
Larry Yellen from Fox is looking into the fact that JFed, Brust, Daly, Klimas are paying into the pension because they are sworn. That fact is true for all except Klimas, check the Data Warehouse to see who is sworn and who is not. Sworn members pay into the pension regardless of if they can get vested or not. The real question should be is how did a political hack become sworn with NO POLICE EXPERIENCE (MASTERS). Someone please ask the question, is he State Certified, did he go through a background investigation, did he pass a pshchological evaluation, did he attend anyone's academy and pass the courses offered, did he pass a probationary period for any law enforcement agency ..... if the answer is NO, then why is he a Sworn Member??? Why was GIVEN what was NOT EARNED, someone please ask the question or send this to someone who will (FOX News)
4 and 2 Back On?
Was it ever really off?
Who gives a crap?
I'm on the 0 and 365 schedule and lovin' it!
Worked 6 and 2 for 18 years. Been on 4 and 2 for a few months and LOVE it.
Believe it or not.. After all the new schedules started, Peterson told our role call that the 4 and 2 was the way the city was goin to go.That was 6mths ago. Is this the first truth i have ever heard from a gold star? Think im goin to get some lotto tickets!!!!
"If the 4/2 schedule is going citywide then why is the operational calendar not published yet? Look at the language on the FOP's website. It says draft version of the calendar."
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Not everyone is going to the 4-2 schedule. So that's that.
SCC couldnt it be avoided if you didnt post it ?
Donahue is nothing but a little toothless lapdog for the emperor!
He is 100% useless...and a joke as president. Never a comment. Never a ward. Never a fight! Wonder what job he has lined up when he retires!
BELLA! Tell us that if you are elected president next, you wont be a lil furry pet for the cigarette hijacking jester on the 5th floor....
My prediction: The pilot programs will continue on in the current districts and no other districts will be added. Then they can say that the 4/2 schedule never died, but it died citywide though.
My prediction: you are an idiot! WOW! LOOK! It came true! The department will bring about the 4/2 schedule starting in the first period. As for the department calender; who the fuck knows why it's not out yet. Most likely reason is the department was just sitting on it's ass and dropped the ball. WOW! Would that be the first time they did that?
SCC, please, when something is this important and has the potential to inflame thousands of already generally pissed off and unhappy people, can you please wait for rock solid independent confirmation?
This is a blog. A blog is where people come to post their input on whatever topic is at hand. Did it ever occur to you that by posting this "rumor" it would make the thousands of coppers who read it look for your so called rock solid independent confirmation?
SCC does a great job here and we should not expect him to have to work at finding "independent" evidence of every freakin rumor that finds it's way here.
Our union is pathetic useless and worthless. They should be ashamed at the job they do to represent the working police.
Hey FOP take a lesson from the CFD union, open your fucking.mouths and show some backbone
When i read your post about it being DOA i threw my pop at the wall and was so pissed off i couldn't even tell you.
11/02/2009 01:13:00 AM
take it easy francis
That is why the FOP and the city originally liked this schedule! To make us use up the 6&4 BFD and P Days to get a few weekends off! It is costing a lot when most of us cash those days in! Remember, anything the FOP and the City like is not good for you!!!! Quit with the "4&2 rocks" crap! Use your head! Think outside the box! Why do you think they would help make it easier for us? Duhhhhhh!
Anonymous said...
"...Why was GIVEN what was NOT EARNED?..."
11/02/2009 06:48:00 PM
Because it's the Daley Crime Family way!
Where is dog 7 gonna go. I certainly hope I know what dog I am going to be in before I pick furlough.
Mmmmmmasters.
Really until its signed off by the city council (hopefully by tomorrow) the 4-2 is not a done deal.
It does save the city money otherwise we'd never get it!
And until its in writing with our day off groups switched and picking furloughs, its not a done deal either.
Hopefully it will work out for us this time!
Anonymous said...
Why didn't Jody update the troops on BLOG 501?
11/02/2009 12:41:00 AM
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Probably because he is fucking with us just fine on here...WE ARE A BUNCH OF BITCHES that TALK AND TALK AND TALK....
Rumors about this rumors on that ...this guys was a softball when his story came out...she was a whore....we are getting no retro...018 Commander is this 017 is that 009 rules 011 Rangers ...blah blah blah...
You guys are so full of yourselves and JODY is playing you all and enjoying getting us all going on the BLOG!
THINK!
Anonymous said...
That is why the FOP and the city originally liked this schedule! To make us use up the 6&4 BFD and P Days to get a few weekends off! It is costing a lot when most of us cash those days in! Remember, anything the FOP and the City like is not good for you!!!! Quit with the "4&2 rocks" crap! Use your head! Think outside the box! Why do you think they would help make it easier for us? Duhhhhhh!
11/02/2009 10:22:00 PM
This is too much deep conspiracy stuff for me. I am still trying to figure out who shot Kennedy from the grassy knoll. I am taking the 4-2 on face value, sounds good to me.
"4&2 rocks" will be my next tat' I will get it translated into Mandarin Chinese and make it my own special tramp stamp.
remember Cozzi and fuck those who put him there.
He is 100% useless...and a joke as president. Never a comment. Never a ward. Never a fight! Wonder what job he has lined up when he retires
I am no fan of the current FOP administration, but I have to say that any Union is only as good as it's ACTIVE members.
I read this blog every day and as I read the comments about how bad the FOP has handled this or that crisis I have to wonder; how many of these complainers actually go to a Union meeting? Here we have a forum in which we can directly address these issues to our union officials and we waste it by not showing up.
When was the last time you heard of an FOP meeting that over flowed the meeting hall? When was the last time you heard that over 90% of the members mailed in their ballots come election time?
If we truly want ANYTHING from the city, namely a contract put out in a reasonable time, we NEED to show a UNITED FRONT! Regardless of what how we feel about the FOP, we need to show the city that they cannot divide and conquer us.
The issues with the union officials should be dealt with at each and every monthly meeting. Just imagine the reaction from Daley when he continually hears that once again the FOP meeting had to be moved to a larger facility because of an increase of attendance. If we did that, show a united front, just imagine what we could accomplish.
My prediction: The pilot programs will continue on in the current districts and no other districts will be added. Then they can say that the 4/2 schedule never died, but it died citywide though.
My prediction: you are an idiot! WOW! LOOK! It came true! The department will bring about the 4/2 schedule starting in the first period. As for the department calender; who the fuck knows why it's not out yet. Most likely reason is the department was just sitting on it's ass and dropped the ball. WOW! Would that be the first time they did that?
11/02/2009 09:11:00 PM
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I'm going to save this post and re post it later on the RIP 4-2 schedule posting by SCC and laugh, assclown.
IF AL THE SGT'S R GOING TO BE WORKING THE 4-2 DOES THAT MEAN THEIR SALARY IS GOING DOWN.
THEY RECEIVE 45 MINUTES A DAY AND W/ THE 4-2 SCHEDULE THEY WORK LESS DAYS A YEAR.
I GUESS THE CITY IS LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE!
I REALLY WANT 2 BE A SGT THAT IS MY DREAM.... YEA RIGHT GLORIFIED SITTER WHO CANT HIRE FIRE OR EVEN RELEASE A PRISONER.
did a lot of 12 ounce curls over the weekend fuming that we may be stuck on the 6-2--- glad to hear it was all a hoax--- bring on the 4-2 and a big fat retro check---
This 4-2 is the best thing the FOP has gotten for the membership in my 25 years. I am a 9161, certified Patrolman for Life. I look forward to finishing out the run on 4-2. We got it with no givebacks. It is fine with me and I am as distrustful of the City as anyone.
Anonymous said...
If the 4/2 schedule is going citywide then why is the operational calendar not published yet? Look at the language on the FOP's website. It says draft version of the calendar
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Uh, are you new here? The early editions of the calendar ALWAYS say draft version. Every year. Nothing new. then, when the final "official" version is released the FOP updates their site to reflect the released version.
Why is this a problem? It has been this way since calendars have been put on the FOP web site in .pdf format.
IF AL THE SGT'S R GOING TO BE WORKING THE 4-2 DOES THAT MEAN THEIR SALARY IS GOING DOWN.
THEY RECEIVE 45 MINUTES A DAY AND W/ THE 4-2 SCHEDULE THEY WORK LESS DAYS A YEAR.
I GUESS THE CITY IS LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE!
I REALLY WANT 2 BE A SGT THAT IS MY DREAM.... YEA RIGHT GLORIFIED SITTER WHO CANT HIRE FIRE OR EVEN RELEASE A PRISONER
Sorry Einstein- you're too stupid to wear stripes. Keep the hate going- nobody likes you either...
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