Seriously? A Casino?
A land-based casino could be a partial solution to Chicago's financial crisis, but only if it's government-owned because City Hall has to "deal with all the repercussions of gambling," Mayor Daley said.
Three weeks ago, Daley shot down a trial balloon floated by two Chicago aldermen to build a casino and entertainment complex on the Michael Reese Hospital site once set aside for an Olympic Village.
But that doesn't mean he's slamming the door to other Chicago sites. It all depends how serious the talk is in Springfield.
We'll say this - the minute Chicago, or Illinois for that matter, owns or runs a casino in any capacity whatsoever, that will be one of the first casinos to never show a profit at any stage during its operation. And that includes the drawing board, construction and Grand Opening stages.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
41 Comments:
I guess I just don't understand. Maybe I'm slow, but can someone explain to me the difference between a land-based vs. a riverboat casino?
Is there someone out there who thinks they are different? Once inside a riverboat casino, do people not gamble? So why the big taboo attitude towards land based casinos?
Anyway, I have wondered for years why this city and state have allowed untold millions or even billions of Illinois gambling dollars to cross the borders into Iowa, Indiana and Wisconsin? Even the Valadez benefit is heading out of state to Indiana.
Seems to me if we had a big, old shiny casino in Chicago, there'd be no reason for all this money to leave town. And maybe after the all of the Daley Crime Family took their cut of the cash, there would even be enough left to pay for a Police contract or two!
Daley said no to the Michael Reese site because he or a friend or family member probably have another piece of property they could sell to the developer for 10 times what they paid for it.
Hey, It's the Chicago way!
Walsh Construction will build it.
The 11th and 19th wards will run it. It will lose money. Daley's nephew Bob Vanecko will loot it and all concerned will be in federal pens withing 3 years of it's opening.
A casino?
Really?
Good thing we still have a Gambling Unit!
Oh................ Thats right...
- American Demolition for site demolition phase.
- Walsh Construction for the construction phase.
- Digby Security for loss prevention during construction.
- Celtic Security Consulting for long-term security.
- Vanecko Parking Company LLC for parking lot design.
- P.D. (aka Patrick Daley) Custodial Services for plumbing upkeep.
- Huberman Logistics for day-to-day operations.
- Duncan Hiring Professionals for staffing.
- EZ-Eats Restauranteurs (Elzie Higginbottom) for food service.
- M.O.B. (Michelle Obama) Customer Service Professionals for marketing.
No, I can't see ANY possible problems with a Chicago-based casino.
It was probably all about the casino in the first place. The economy and the olympics were just an excuse to funnel money away for a casino.
He shot down the casino at the planned olympic village site because he already had a spot in mind. I'd bet money this casino is 'shovel ready'. As soon as the Police and Fire contracts are settled, Daley and Quinn will announce the Chicago Casino plan. No sense in giving any arbitrators any idea that Chicago just came across a huge revenue stream.
Man I cant wait to go to a city run casino. Slip the dealer some cash and you win all night. If the alderman likes you he will tell you which slots to play. It would be great. They could call the casino the Chicago way. If you got clout you win. If you dont you lose.
Another obvious reason the mayor should resign.
Hey where are the good reverends now? Why are they not up in arms
about the hell that comes along with gambling and how towns down in Louisiana went bankrupt after opening casinos?
Any one drive down the streets of Gary, Ind. lately ? No big improvement there with all that " revenue " money coming in.
The only reason crime rate dropped is because of the right to conceal bill that was passed a few years ago!
Is it going to be a city job to be a valet?
Leave the casinos to the mob, at least they can fake it better when stealing from us.
Maybe we can use our non approved comp time for the slots ! Just put the pink slip into the machine!
when i read this thread it brought back memories of deniro in casino--- this could be a good spot for mctightwad, we could slim him down and he could be the shill in the new windy city casino..... this would be the most corrupt casino in the history of mankind if daley and his band of 40 thieves was allowed to run it.....
Was this the whole point of the Olympic bid. So the Daley Crime Family could run da casinos. John's Daley's son-in-law should be out of jail now and he could ask his dad (king of downtown gambling) for pointers. Maybe Mayor Chuckie is not so dumb and that sad face after losing the bid was a put on.
After visiting an open house at Taft High School I now beleive it might be appropriate to sell my home at the first sign of an up-tick in the residential housing market here in Chicago and bail. I'm willing to sleep at a relatives home and move the family into Glenview, Wilmette, Northbrook, or anywhere tainted less by this Irish idiot and his minions. Anyone clear about the successful ways to manipulate the residency in this way? It will be a burden, no doubt, but not as burdensome as remaining here in Detroit South.
A City owned casino should use off duty, uniformed officers for security. Even at straight pay, there'd be a waiting list.
we'll get the casinos in the area and a Daley indictment by late Feb...........
i thought the illinois lottery was gonna save us too!!! ah...the smell of bullshit.
Buying Michael Reese Hospital cost us around 100-150 million dollars?! We were still in a budget crisis before and during the olympic bid, but Daley had the money ready for a site that we didn't need. And we wants to give us unpaid furlough days. He is a bull shit fucking thief. he should work for twenty four days without pay....give back his salary. Same with the Aldermen. Daley should give up his bodyguards for twenty four days so they could protect the citizens and not his Hineyness.
It would be like the movie casino.One of DAleys guys picking up thre suit case and leave with half the money.All contracts will go to his peoples .Imagine security,janitorial,vending,etc.A casino would raise alot of money,instead of everyone driving to Indiana,or Joliet,Chicago would make the money.But youd need like Lisa Madiganns office right inside there to watch
the mayor to have no hiring say so or his soon to be 25 city council members,hoora
but.......
1 Las Vegas Strip $6.121 billion
2 Atlantic City, N.J. $4.545 billion
3 Chicagoland, Ind./Ill. $2.251 billion
4 Connecticut $1.571 billion
See ,all Daleys peoples espescially the Obamas bought up land where they thought the olympics was gonna be.So I guarantee thats where the land based casino would be.See a riverbaoat doesnt require as many contracts and no land sales so all his peoples would lose money.why else would th3e president go out and try to influence the judges.Cmon u have a war going on,the health insrance crap,the stimulous crap and everything else and the president is working on getting the olympics here,fa getta bout it
If you go to second city sarge they have a great video with a journalist totally republican talking Shit about daley,oboma and the Chicago machine,it a must see
"Maybe we can use our non approved comp time for the slots ! Just put the pink slip into the machine!
11/01/2009 05:57:00 AM"
which one, the one where it flushes when you pull the handle?
DALEY WANTS IT CITY OWNED SO HE CAN STEAL. RIGHT AFTER BEING SHOT DOWN FOR THE OLYMPICS, HE SAID" NO WAY ON A CASINO" NOW HE WANTS IT CITY OWNED. YOU CANT EVEN IMAGINE HOW MUCH STEALING WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE DALEY CRIME FAMILY. THIS GUY REALLY DOES THINK HE'S UNTOUCHABLE.
Under the current administration the government should control everything. Like most world dictators!
You know he wants Navy Pier to be the casino site. Thats why he wants the childrens museum moved.
You forgot Burke;
Pit Boss and Bagman!
It was probably all about the casino in the first place. The economy and the olympics were just an excuse to funnel money away for a casino.
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Planned all along.
Northerly island.
If I recall correctly, last time we had to go to arbitration, the arbiter gave us a fair raise and told the city to open a casino if they wanted to cry poormouth.
Same arbiter is hearing our case again this time around.
Anonymous said...
"...THIS GUY REALLY DOES THINK HE'S UNTOUCHABLE."
11/01/2009 11:53:00 AM
Seeing is believing... So far, his thinking is correct!
"Anyone clear about the successful ways to manipulate the residency in this way? It will be a burden, no doubt, but not as burdensome as remaining here in Detroit South.
11/01/2009 08:05:00 AM"
There's no manipulation about it.
Spend more than 50% + 1 day of your time at the city residence, proof of which can be utility bills, rent receipts, etc., in your name, along with leaving copious amounts of your personal property and dna throughout the dwelling.
You get to decide in what form that dna will be left and where.
After visiting an open house at Taft High School I now beleive it might be appropriate to sell my home at the first sign of an up-tick in the residential housing market here in Chicago and bail. I'm willing to sleep at a relatives home and move the family into Glenview, Wilmette, Northbrook, or anywhere tainted less by this Irish idiot and his minions. Anyone clear about the successful ways to manipulate the residency in this way? It will be a burden, no doubt, but not as burdensome as remaining here in Detroit South.
11/01/2009 08:05:00 AM
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No problem. It's fairly easy.
Put the house in the spouse's name. File legal separation papers, just to cover yourself. Register the kids at their new suburban school, but list the spouse who resides in the suburban house first as an emergency contact for the kids. Make sure one car is registered in the city and the other in the suburbs, but NEVER drive the suburban registered car to work or police parties.
All suburban utilities should be in spouse's name. Some utility at the Chicago address must be in your name, even if it means paying your buddy's electric bill. You MUST remember IAD's test of residency is where you spend the 'preponderance' of your time/nights, i.e. more than half the time.
And, when it's all said and done, prepare to pay a percentage of your salary to the spouse for child support. Because EVERY time I've seen someone do this, they've ended up divorced and the spouse ends up with the house that's already in their name. I'm not being dramatic; I've known at least eight people who've done this and most divorced. One quit when IAD confronted him at home one beautiful suburban morning. I believe he's still married and in Mount Prospect.
Good luck. To me, it's not worth it.
Springfield would never allow a city run casino.. The only way it would happen if the state had all the control and no the city would have no say. Thats why it would never happen. It took 10 years for the new riverboat in des plaines to finally get a license. A casino in this city. fugedabouid
Clark street west to the river. Roosevelt South to 18th st. There is property there that I heard was going to be where the first riverboat casinos were to be. Remember. Back in the 80's when riverboats actually left the docks. That property is still there untapped. Mark my words you heard it here first.
This is a very,very serious situation. I am not speaking about the morals of gambling. I am talking about the problems this will bring. Social Studies Professors will tell you, that the revenue that is generated from gambling does not compensate for the costs in the long run. Instead of buying roofs for houses, washing machines, school supplies, etc. People are spending their money at the casino. You can't go to Las Vegas, every Friday Night with your paycheck.
Dear SSC and other Chicagoans,
I'm sorry, but there's plenty of casinos out there that don't make a profit. I used to live in a city at a southerly latitude of the Mississippi, and "Say NIMBY Now":
1. the churches didn't want casinos
2. the police didn't want them
3. the neighborhoods didn't want them
4. the journalists didn't approve
BUT the governor did. Guess what. We had them.
1. the governor eventually went to prison
2. the casino did not make a profit
3. people who were short part of their rent gambled away all the rent (saw it)
4. it increased the petty financial crime in the area, not to mention the misery, and
5. the construction jobs were temporary, very temporary
AND The damned thing is still there.
Anonymous #1: One difference between land-based and riverboat based is that riverboat should be chugging away off shore before gambling begins. You will find that they rarely leave the dock, b/c customers walk in from land. And--when they do--the captain is way inebriated (or perhaps having seizures, or whatever), crashes into its dock, and ruins the tourist traps attached. (also happened for sure-saw the damage).
Good luck with this and the referendum votes. I am rooting for you!
What a mess.
Ann T.
Daley already owns a parking meter leasing company. Why not a casino too?
It's one thing for the government to permit a casino- if people want to piss away their rent money in one of these garbage dumps, it's their constitutional right.
But it's another thing altogether for the state or city to subsidize gambling and own gambling facilities. The lottery is bad enough. Remember how we were promised, back in 1974, that the lottery would fund education? What happened? With the money it rakes in, we should be able to lavishly fund education K-graduate level,yet we have deeper budget shortfalls than ever despite the losers I see buying 10-foot-long ropes of scratch-off tickets at the local corner grocery stores.
A city-owned casino will be the biggest corruption sink this city has ever seen. The skim the old mobsters used to rake off the houses in Vegas will seem like penny candy money compared to what our local pols and their cronies will peel off this.
Face it, gambling is a right but there's no way you can say it is good. It is a social disease. If we're to have a casino in the city, let it at least be a privately owned enterprise.
I do like the idea of a land-based operation better than some ugly barge on the Chicago River, and never have been able to understand why a river-based operation is less of a threat to public morals than a land-based.
Just curious about the billions of dollars Dick-Head got for the Olympic bid from private investors. Where is it?
Why not the old post office? That way everyone driving in from the west (I-290) would have to pass under Daley's golden temple of gambling.
Anonymous said...
when i read this thread it brought back memories of deniro in casino--- this could be a good spot for mctightwad, we could slim him down and he could be the shill in the new windy city casino..... this would be the most corrupt casino in the history of mankind if daley and his band of 40 thieves was allowed to run it.....
11/01/2009 07:28:00 AM
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Just do what that boss in 024 did. Give legal custody to your in-laws in the burbs.
What? You're not a Boss? You are a blue shirt? Ahhh, forget it. You will just get in trouble.
A city owned casino in Chicago? isn't it a relief that our police department has a top notch squad of seasoned investigators working on organized crime and gambling in this town. That makes me feel safe. Hey Ernie, GOOD JOB!
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