Whose Fault?
A 42-year-old woman was killed this morning when two drug suspects fleeing police crashed their vehicle into hers, police said. The two suspects are in custody.
The woman was identified as Valerie Davis, of the 600 block of E 65th Street, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.
The sequence of events that included several crashes began with a traffic stop in the Woodlawn neighborhood about 7 a.m. by Chicago police and federal Drug Enforcement Agency officers.
Don't even bother reading the comment section of the BreakingNews.com article unless you have a strong stomach. Police supporters come out in force after the first couple dozen comments, but the fact that people this ignorant live, breathe, vote and breed is always amazing. And they sit on juries that give away money, too.
Officers all went home safe though.
Officers all went home safe though.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
93 Comments:
Saw a news clip on this crash and was not surprised to see that the people who were chosen to be put on camera already had the lines down that are a dead giveaway that the police will be sued in short order!
"They should of let him go. They'll catch him again another time. But now my niece is gone and she won't have another time."
Just reading the comments on the "insignificant" blog. We are all unhappy, "superintenant."
It's about that time....
You promised!!!
Boys and Girls of this wonderful USA we have got to open our eyes. When the DEA comes a looking for you, your not just the average street corner Joe. Good job officers and my heart goes out to Ms. Davis and her family this is yet another sad event in this circus we call a city.
MZ
Republicans pulled some major victories in Virginia today. Let's keep that ball rolling in time for Illinois elections!
Wait for some scum sucking, low life, ambulance chasing MFing lawyer filing suit in the next 48 hours naming the City and the coppers as defendants.......go for the deep pockets, taught in year 2 of law school.
"Whose Fault?"
Anyone with an ounce of grey matter knows exactly where to lay blame in this latest tragedy.
Unfortunately the brush of ignorance seems to have an unending supply of paint. And it's painfully obvious that a second coat has been applied to the majority of society.
To those that still love this job, take proactive measures and feel that they actually make a difference in the grand scheme of things, I salute you. However, some of you need to be gently reminded that this job isn't what it used to be. Things have changed dramatically from what they were even 10 short years ago.
Those of you that have taken a promotional exam in the recent past may remember coming across a little thing called "The Balancing Test". In summation and layman's terms, it delineates the whole "risk versus reward" phenomenon as applied to police work.
I suggest you modify this test to have it reflect what YOU have to lose when/if things go horribly awry. The reality of criminal charges levied aside, punitive damages that may impact propert(ies) owned, 401k's, Deferred Compensation, IRA's, college savings or pension contributions is something I'd wish only on my worst enemies. How'd you like to grab your paycheck for the next "XX" years, only to have the garnishment amount for Pookey's "pain and suffering" be the first thing you see?
I'm by no means advocating completely laying down and letting the inmates take over the asylum. I'd just like to reinforce the importance of self-preservation in this volatile, anti-police atmosphere that we currently occupy.
Stay safe and make sure that you and your partner leave work in the same shape in which you arrived.
I don't have a good answer for "chase policy".
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If you do innocents may be hurt or killed.
If you don't the bad guys will run more often.
I do have an answer for the drug war though.
Legalize it, regulate it, tax it, and treat it like a public health problem.
Create a "hamsterdam" like in "The Wire" and let the addicts slowly kill themselves.
would you want it to be your mother or daughter killed over some bullshit dope pinch---
OT:
http://files2.chicagotribune.com/metro/rc09/results_js.php?ID=150162990252361
This is Mt. Greenwood's school facts. The very fishy thing is at the bottom where it breaks down how the demographics ie black, white, hispanic scored in the percentages of tests. Take close notice to the fact that only the white students scores are posted. The scores are very good, but can't help but wonder if they publish the white scores, why not the other demographics?
What's the story with that?
Yep, it's time for the higher ups, maybe J-fed's "Stink tank" to come up with orders forbidding chases at all and be done with it. Game's over, man. I was no where near this chase or involved, but I'd bet the farm that these cops involved did nothing wrong. Sadly, car chases, as fun as they are, have become poison on this job. I read the comments on the breakingnews site and wished the losers that posted anti-police could leave there address, personal info. or something so cops would know to avoid there addresses.
Society has changed lately my fellow cops. Please, unless you on view a child molester grabbing some kid off the streets, don't chase! The chase module, which makes very little sense, was made up by a glory hound former Area 5 deputy, that started the Humboldt Park riots in the 70's. Back then he was regarded as a hero. If he pulled the same stunt now, he would be in jail waiting for the gas chamber.
It might seem harsh, but fuck the citizens of this city for the most part. Christ, look who they've elected in the last twenty years! Don't do shit until the tide changes back to our side. Sorry about the long post. Be safe everyone. Even you Maria M., where ever you are....xoxoxoxoxoxo.
Ok just a thought
Instead of blaming the police
How about blaming the criminals!
And sending them a message!!!
They know they are wrong when the police try to apprehend them,they are caught and they are dirty!!!
How about if they try to flee and an innocent civilian is killed because the poluce tried to do their JOB!!!
THE CRIMINAL FACES A MANDATORY DEATH PENALTY!!!
They know the laws better than any of you!!!
They keep Cannabis under 30 grams at all times beacause they know its a felony over 30 grams!!
They learn the law well!!!
They will obey they law and accept their penalty if they know that putting innocent lives in danger threatens their own survival!!!
They know all the loopholes!!!
Give them an inch they will take a mile!!
They know that they have the public sentiment on the side of the victim!!!
Everyone is a victim!!!If you let crime run rampid!!
CPD'S fault??Lets see...deep breath.......
Police try to arrest suspest drug dealers. That is their job and what society wants them to do. Then this was a cpd and federal task force so Im safe to say it was felony wieght narcotics and not a misdemeanor. And when thier is felony amount of drugs their is usually guns. As they try to make the arrest the felons try to run them over thus making them attempt murders/felons. Police in fear of thier lives justifiable fire at the attempt murders. The now fleeing felons take off. Now did they hit one and now needs medical attention?? They cant be certain but if they dont pursue that might be another major law suit like what the family of the North Hollywood bank robbers tried to recieve for not getting medical attention fast enough. But whos to say that they were even chasing after them after the shots fired. I believe state law allows to chase after fleeing forceable felons and even use deadly force to prevent escape of arrest especially when they threaten to endager human life. Now if thier was a chase which they are justified to do, who was chassing cpd or the feds??? If it was cpd are they protected under the same civil immunities as the feds???? All in all why should one try to blame the police. What about the two attempted murders or now should be called murders?? Thier the ones who committed all the crimes! Some would say that they should not of chased them and could catch them later. How would they do that if they don't know who they are or from(out of state or country) the car was most likely stolen or soon to be reported. If they were bank robbers and just killed people in the bank or the lane bryant murders and flee in a car police should not chase???? Tell that to the victims's family. Our fear less leader/spokeperson would say "Well one of our units spotted the suspect vehicle but as we tried to pull them over they refuesed to stop. So in order to prevent further injuries and propety damage we have a no chase policy". If society dosen't want us to chase fleeing felons especially ones that try to kill police and (attempt/murders,rapists, and robbery offenders) then I'll let them go so they can do the above crimes to them or somebody they love and get away with it!!!! The police would just deal with baby momma drama and just do the reports of the above crimes and wait until the criminals eventually feel remorse and turn themselves in on thier own!!!!! Sorry about the rant of a mad man.
this just in...thanks to the Chicago Breaking News comments section, the Chicago Police Department is asking for help from NASA or the U S Military in developing a Laser that would disable fleeing vehicles involved in crimnial activity......
The coppers are probably going to jail.
Jodi will find a way. One will go to Mississippi and the other to Alaska.
JFed, U shitbag!
Right. Just let criminals cause chaos from one end of the City to the other and don't do anything about it. We live in a sick society.
You can't change what's coming.
---not a cop
Don't even bother reading the comment section of the BreakingNews.com article unless you have a strong stomach.
I think everyone should read those comments so that they can see what the public thinks about us and how we do our job. This can be used as another example for officers to wake the fuck up and stop doing proactive shit. Who do you all think the victim's family is going to sue? The offenders? LOL yeah right. How long do you think it will take for our department leaders to throw these cops under the bus if there's enough whining from the ignorant citizens? It's over people. Get that through your thick heads already. I know you have good intentions and want to do a good job of fighting crime but it's OVER. Give the citizens what they want. After all, we work for them right?
the libtards that live in this area are remarkable. i bet the lawyers were on scene before the ambulance arrived. you know what comes next....
I cut and pasted this from Chicago Breaking News' comments section
"Mark on November 4, 2009 12:38 AM
Let people know, the police did not pursue the car because the car already crashed before the police were even in their cars."
Richie Pisspants spending more money on a bullshit study to a connected consultant. Un-fucking-real!
"City to spend $3.7m to study terminal airlines don't want
November 4, 2009 4:36 AM | No Comments
The Sun-Times reports: A perennial consultant at O'Hare Airport has been awarded a $3.7 million contract to plan for a project major airlines are refusing to fund and consider "ill-conceived": a new western terminal."
OT - CPD TV show, which will have TV crews following Chicago cops in their search process, is awaiting approval by the City Council. It must first go before the Council's Police Committee on Nov. 17. Committee Chairman Ald. Isaac Carothers (29th) told Sneed: "We are delighted because the show will present a positive light on the Chicago Police Department, which is extremely successful in finding missing persons."
Will the state's atty do the right thing and charge the fleeing felon driver with homicide?
How come the mayor wants us to take 24 unpaid furlough days but I cant take a second leave of absence?
Anonymous said...
"...go for the deep pockets, taught in year 2 of law school."
11/04/2009 12:47:00 AM
I believe it says something about that on all Law School applications:
#1 - Name
#2 - Address
#3 - Who put you on our Clout List?
#3a - No Clout? You better have big $$$$ in order to pay for this. We suggest you sue someone with deep pockets!
Anonymous said...
Republicans pulled some major victories in Virginia today. Let's keep that ball rolling in time for Illinois elections!
11/04/2009 12:46:00
"Major" victories? This flip flop of power happended in 2001 with the same 2 states while Bush enjoyed a 90% approval rating after 9/11. Obama's approval rating in NJ is still 60% and in VA its's still above 52%. Both percentages are well within the margin he had with he won both states in the general election. This is nothing major. Winning a few congress seats yes. But that didn;t happen. They loss a seat.
Ike told the Scum Times that he's delighted that there may be a reality TV show called "Missing Persons Chicago" airing soon.
How is Ike still in a position to say or do anything with the police? He has been indicted federally, has he not? Who's bright idea was it to have a "Cops" style show in Chicago?
Will they be highlighting the lack of manpower, the corruption in the exempt ranks, the merit clowns' career progression, the non-functioning PDTs and vehicles, the lack of contracts for years at a time?
OT - Looks like the ObaMAO administration has been fudging numbers when it comes to jobs saved by the stimulus package.
Several schools told the Tribune that the reported number of jobs saved is impossible because they don't have as many employees as the administration is reporting jobs saved.
Is ACORN doing the counting on this one too?
This clown of a president is the best thing to happen to republicans since Jimmy Carter.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/chi-education-stimulus-04-nov04,0,4659134.story
Obama lies again.
Why do you people do anything in ghetto?
We should be getting a raise soon. All democratrats were voted out in New Jersey and Virginia. They really have awakened a sleeping giant. Even with all the money and all of Obamas campaigning, they couldn't get it done. Daley is worried this morning. Go tea partiers!
IS IT ME OR R THE FEDS CAUSING THESE CRASHES??
ISNT THIS THE 2ND CRASH THAT A FED WAS MYSTERIOUSLY IN THE AREA AND JUST HAPPENED TO NOTICE THE BAD GUYS!!
EVERY TIME I HAD TO CALL THE FEDS 2 DO THEIR JOB I HERE THE SAME BULLSHIT. YOU DONT HAVE ENUFF COUNTERFEIT OR NOT ENUFF GUNS!
Hey inside westside ass kissing company man... how about this... SHUT THE FUCK UP!!??!! God your drunken ramblings are less and less coherent every damn day!!!
"Don't even bother reading the comment section of the BreakingNews.com article unless you have a strong stomach."
actually, the comments on the updated version of this article have strongly swung back to where they should be.
when incidents like this occur, and are exploited by the knuckleheads who write these articles, and the headlines thereto, it is to be expected that both the idiots and the criminal elements will rush to join the call for 'blamin' da poleeze'.
this then inspires both thoughtful reactions and rational comments from those thoughtful and rational readers of said articles and the initial comments thereto.
thus, the initial retarded, or agenda driven, batch of comments, being a result of the slanted bias of the article and headline of same, is seen to be a catalyst for stimulating rational thinking, and the expression of same.
all of the above dependent upon the nature and agendas of those who control both the specific content of the articles posted, and their headlines, and the selection of which of the submitted comments generated by same are to be posted on said breaking news website.
the 'power of the pen' has become the 'power of the post'.
3 comments from the updated version of the referenced breaking news article's comment section:
"frank on November 4, 2009 2:01 AM
I cannot believe the nonsense that I am reading on here.
The cops are at fault?
That could be the most outrageous thing that I have heard or read in my life.
These fools are obviously involved in the drug trade. I might also add very heavily in order for the Drug Enforcement Administration (D.E.A.) to be involved in this incident. These clowns that ran from the police were probably more likely than not involved with organized crime (street gangs) and the violence that comes with the drug trade.
Being a police officer is a tough job,but being a police officer in the City of Chicago in my opinion is the toughest job in the world.
The police are handcuffed in respect to being able to do their job effecively not to mention the idiots of the world and Cook County that actualey feel that the criminal element should be left alone by law enforcement to do as they please as long as they refuse to obey a lawful order to pull their vehicle to the side of the roadway as ordered to do by the police.
RIDICULOUS!!!!"
&
"T on November 4, 2009 2:37 AM
I agree with Chuck. I am truly sadden by what has happened to this young lady but the two a$$e$ who should be held responsible for this tragedy not the police.
Honestly they are trying to do a job that is being made hard by people who watch too much tv and living in reality. That is a hard job and a job that most wouldn't have.
What would the complaint be if they had just sat in their car eating donuts and watching along with the neighborhood?
Either give them information about who and what's happening in your neighborhood or give them a break and let them handle it according to the law-who ties their hands at all cost to the same people who complain and take no responsibility for their actions.
A lot of what is happens in a neighborhood is known by most of the people their-I know grew up in projects and saw/heard most things(if the kids know it believe me the adults do too!!) So maybe a trial of no police help and see what the neighborhoods are made of should be tried-guarantee they'd welcome the police back to the hood.
Often wonder why the rich has few violence in their hood- they call the police and tell what they know.
Not just call and say help me because i won't help myself, my children, my neighbor's child or my neighborhood.
STOP BEING AFRAID TO TELL ON YOUR CHILD OR YOUR NEIGHBOR'S CHILD IF IT WILL HELP STOP THE VIOLENCE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
KINDA TIRED OF HEARING YET ANOTHER SAD STORY OF 'GOOD CHILDREN' BEING KILLED BY NEIGHBORS THAT THE PARENT AND FRIENDS COULD HAVE PUT A STOP TO!!!!"
&
"Randall on November 4, 2009 2:39 AM
It appears that the many people that criticize the police based on an enormous lack of information and display a total lack of any reasonable amount police procedures have to be some of the DUMBEST humans on the face of the earth.
You PEOPLE deserve to have no police service in your neighborhoods and personally handle the monsters and sub-humans that live amongst you.
The absolute stupidity in many of these posts indicate that many of you have no common sense, at most, a fifth grade education and would easily support the actions of the thugs and hoodlums rather that the police.
What does astound me is that there are police officers that are working to take the sub-humans off of your neighborhood streets knowing that there is absolutely no community support for them"
the pendulum always swings.
Just read CPD is possibly getting their own TV Reality Show... looking for missing persons.... WOW
Not that the truth matters...but if I'm reading this story right, there was only a brief FOOT chase after the 2nd accident.
Does anyone have knowledge on the timeline I've extrapolated?:
-Offenders pull over after being stopped
-Police DEA approach vehicle
-Offenders attempt to run over officers
-Officers fire single shot into vehicle
-Offenders (not chased) hit Mrs. Davis and then another car.
-Offenders flee on foot and are caught.
If that's what happened...I don't even see a chase policy issue...at which point we're all complaining about the wrong thing...
If this is the sequence of events, I guess CPD should no longer pull over suspects (or make traffic stops) or try to apprehend suspects...ever???
Yes cops have a job to do. Having drugs is not a violent crime. An innocent person got killed. The bad guys are surely at fault and should be charged accordingly. But was it worth it?
Masters
You mean master-bator
I haven't sent in comments recently but this one really pisses me off. Here's my opinion:
- chase everyone. When the bad guy is caught, he gets charge with a Class X Att. Murder with a vehicle.
- make prisons be punishment, not rehabilitation. Everyone gets put in a 10X7' cell 23 hrs per day. No TV, no weights, nothing. Just a newspaper a day and the bible to read. And they serve their full sentence. I bet repeat offenders would drop.
- get the ball-less FOP to start making statements and press releases after these controversial incidents outlining the true facts that are based on the law. The biggest problem is the public is educated on the law by TV shows. Show some support for the street cops please!
- the media is our enemy only because WE, the police, haven't yet learned how to manipulate them the way others do. We need to educate ourselves.
- make sure you understand the deadly force policy, abide by it and USE it. No one is paying you, as a cop, to die.
- reform civil suits. Prosecute liars and frabricators and fine the attorney who brings on a frivolous suit.
Signed - Roscoe Rules
11/04/2009 12:53:00 AM
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Easier said than done. Once that adrenaline gets going it's hard to turn it off, but you are 100% right. I think we've all been there at one time or another and you can't help but almost take it personal. "I'm the Police...He can't run from me"!!
But you are absolutely right! In this day and age they're looking to hang anyone, and we are not exempt. Look out for your fellow Officers and help the honest law-abiding citizens.
A very well written post!
BE SAFE!
The only quibble I have with your post is that these people don't vote. That is a civic responsibility, and you know those don't get much effort in the 'hood.
DEA?? will they hang the CPD guy out to dry like in Milwaukee??
little thing called "The Balancing Test". In summation and layman's terms, it delineates the whole "risk versus reward" phenomenon as applied to police work
But it was the DEA .............
the guy will get charged with reckless homicide...do a year or two in jail then he s free. bet on it.
When the lawyers file suit against the officers and the deep-pockets city, I hope they remember to sue the empty-pocket crooks. It's about justice, remember!
"They should of let him go. They'll catch him again another time. But now my niece is gone and she won't have another time."
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An understandable sentiment on the part of someone who has lost a loved one.
Is the arrest worth the death of an innocent bystander? Doesn't seem like it in this case.
Anonymous said...
OT:
http://files2.chicagotribune.com/metro/rc09/results_js.php?ID=150162990252361
This is Mt. Greenwood's school facts. The very fishy thing is at the bottom where it breaks down how the demographics ie black, white, hispanic scored in the percentages of tests. Take close notice to the fact that only the white students scores are posted. The scores are very good, but can't help but wonder if they publish the white scores, why not the other demographics?
What's the story with that?
11/04/2009 01:58:00 AM
Take a look at the other schools, they are also not showing how black students scored. I’m guessing they can’t justify the fact that they are simply not getting good scores because they don’t study and not because they are not given "safe passage".
Anonymous said...
OT:
http://files2.chicagotribune.com/metro/rc09/results_js.php?ID=150162990252361
This is Mt. Greenwood's school facts. The very fishy thing is at the bottom where it breaks down how the demographics ie black, white, hispanic scored in the percentages of tests. Take close notice to the fact that only the white students scores are posted. The scores are very good, but can't help but wonder if they publish the white scores, why not the other demographics?
What's the story with that?
11/04/2009 01:58:00 AM
They covered this in the Trib a few days back. The numbers are rigged, atleast at the H.S. level.
The HS's assign a credit hours total to each grade level. Jr. Year is when the kids take their big test. Well, if SOME students don't have enough credits to be considered "Juniors" well, they don't take the test.
However, the year after, miraculously, they are squared away are called "Senior's" and graduate just fine.
Cute huh?
That is how all those b.s. magnet schools here in Shitago can out rank schools in Naperville, Hinsdale, Lake Cnty.
/2009 03:30:00 AM
Anonymous said...
CPD'S fault??Lets see...deep breath.......
Police try to arrest suspest drug dealers. That is their job and what society wants them to do.
****** Not really.
Now if thier was a chase which they are justified to do, who was chassing cpd or the feds??? If it was cpd are they protected under the same civil immunities as the feds????
****** F no! Not when hooked up plaintiff's firms can loot the coffers. Someone is dead. The Feds as we all know by now will run away dumping this mess into our lap. I feel bad for the CPD guys that are detailed ot hte Feds but they should know the game by now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT:
http://files2.chicagotribune.com/metro/rc09/results_js.php?ID=150162990252361
This is Mt. Greenwood's school facts. The very fishy thing is at the bottom where it breaks down how the demographics ie black, white, hispanic scored in the percentages of tests. Take close notice to the fact that only the white students scores are posted. The scores are very good, but can't help but wonder if they publish the white scores, why not the other demographics?
What's the story with that?
11/04/2009 01:58:00 AM
............
I may be wrong but there are a couple of reasons I think. There are very few blacks bussed in anymore due to the neighborhood finally waking up and realizing that it is a good school.
Another reason is that there is a large special Ed program there and I believe that they are counted in the school demographis but not on the test scores.
Now all we have to do is start sending our kids to the Ag school instead of non neighborhood and non-residents (Yes there are some suburban kids there.)going there. Its a good school and we pay a lot of property taxes for that school.
"...Instead of blaming the police
How about blaming the criminals!
And sending them a message!!!"
11/04/2009 03:30:00 AM
Yes, but you forgot the aforementioned "deep pockets".
More specifically, they don't have any!
I think everyone should read those comments so that they can see what the public thinks about us and how we do our job. This can be used as another example for officers to wake the fuck up and stop doing proactive shit. Who do you all think the victim's family is going to sue? The offenders? LOL yeah right. How long do you think it will take for our department leaders to throw these cops under the bus if there's enough whining from the ignorant citizens? It's over people. Get that through your thick heads already. I know you have good intentions and want to do a good job of fighting crime but it's OVER. Give the citizens what they want. After all, we work for them right?
11/04/2009 07:07:00 AM
The only problem with that is that we have to live in the city. All of you dogs keep forgetting that. So if we are patroling our own neighborhood we should just let everything go to shit. Sorry there dutch, but thats not going to happen. I know, I know we are all gonna get sued and lose are jobs. Maybe if you know it alls just listened to people who have time on the job you just might make it to your 3 year reunion. Learn how to do your job handjob and quit whinning.
When was the last time anybody chased the biggest thief in the city, Mayor Daley?
I don't know what led to the initial chase, but I've always said, if you're going to chase, pretend as if the chase could end by killing one of your own family members. After that, decide if it's worth it. Over dope, I wouldn't bother. Something more serious is a different matter. These scumbags don't care about anyone's life. I do. Letting them get away for something minor is something I can live with.
Off topic , but I would like to know why as as Police Officer ,if Indicted,we are immediately fired, but the head of the Police and Fire commitee(Carothers, Under Indictment) Gets to collect a paycheck like nothing happened?
Trust me, the City and CPD will be on the hook! Any Feds involved will be completely insulated.
You know..I was with you to the end..I would never have blamed such a tragedy on the police, however, I think it is extremely insensitive and wrong of you to end the post with "officers all went home safe though" like that makes it all ok when an innocent woman is dead.
(OT) Looks like alderdrunk zalewski from the 23rd ward who got his kid appointed to rep moleros seat (Molaro) the guy who let his wife ghost payroll years ago and stood aside as the feds were going to send her to prison. Now young zalewskis wife carrie just got a new job appointed by governor sad sack quinn to a $117,800 per year job doing nothing! quinn said there were over 50 applicants but she was the best! LOL! same old shit another reason I will be voting for the republican Jim Ryan!!
Anonymous said...
OT - CPD TV show, which will have TV crews following Chicago cops in their search process, is awaiting approval by the City Council. It must first go before the Council's Police Committee on Nov. 17. Committee Chairman Ald. Isaac Carothers (29th) told Sneed: "We are delighted because the show will present a positive light on the Chicago Police Department, which is extremely successful in finding missing persons."
11/04/2009 08:11:00 AM
Ike now your a police friend? Guess you hope it will not be to bad in jail right ike fucking criminal! Get fucked to little to late the fat man with the wire!1
It's referred to as collateral damage, learn to deal with it citizens of Chicago. Too bad so sad. Not really. 2 assholes were taken off the street. Good job CPD you guys rock. Keep up the good work. Thank you for your efforts!!
Will the state's atty do the right thing and charge the fleeing felon driver with homicide?
....herein lies the problem. The CC ASA MUST do their job and charge these assholes for fleeing. If the statute isn't hard or strong enough then lawmakers have to come to the plate and give mandatory time for fleeing vehicles (whether or not someone was injured or killed). Make it MADNDATORY TIME, nor leniency, then maybe these assholes will stop using their vehicles the way they shoot.
Maybe the DEA can take this case to the the U. S. attorney and charge these dealers federaly.
would you want it to be your mother or daughter killed over some bullshit dope pinch---
11/04/2009 01:46:00 AM
Ok, so I need to stop doing police work? I have a good friend whose kid died of a heroin O.D., now, to him, those dope pinched aren’t “Bullshit” anymore. And for some reason, I think if the DEA or HIDTA are involved, it’s not a “one bagger”, unless that bag is real, real BIG!
Where do you draw the line? Dope? Theft? Robbery? Murder?
The bad thing is, you and a few others , are starting to sound just like THEM, yep, that’s right, “The Animal” ! Keep pointing the finger of culpability at the Police, instead of where it belongs! If the Bad Guy wasn’t #1) Dealing Dope. #2) Running from the Police, do you think that this would have happened? But somehow, it’s OUR FAULT for doing OUR JOB, which is catching bad guys. Because it seems like you kinda forgot that one.
Yes, it’s sad and unfortunate that the innocent lady had to die because some shithead decided deal dope and run from the police.
The coppers are going to be alright. If you are working with the G and something like that happens you are covered by G liability. Thats what my FTO once told me. How do you get to work on a task force with the Drug Enforcement Agency? Do you get any extra benefits?
Will the state's atty do the right thing and charge the fleeing felon driver with homicide?
11/04/2009 08:16:00 AM
Are you nuts?
ASA's office will have a hard-on and charge the Cops, let the bad guy go free. Bad guy will also sue for 4, and 14 amendment violations, get tons of dough from the City too. Thats how this is going to play out.
'Legalize it, regulate it, tax it, and treat it like a public health problem.
Create a "hamsterdam" like in "The Wire" and let the addicts slowly kill themselves.'
I concur. While I can't fault the actions of the police/Fed police personnel involved, especially after the offenders' vehicle attempted to strike an officer, it's just a shame that woman had to die over pursuit of a DOPE DEALER. She left behind a 16 year old son...I bet he feels the same way. Legalize it, sell it from currency exchanges, tax the hell out of it. People are determined to escape reality by any means available...the "war on drugs" is lost. We could wipe out deficits in various local, state and federal budgets, bus rides could be free for all, and treatment centers could be made more available for the masses of addicts out there who can't afford treatment. I've been a cop for over 20 years, and I've pursued many a drug dealing piece of shit out here during my time in 014, 011, 007 and other shithole parts of the Shitty, but it's just not worth it anymore. Too much is at stake, and when these deals go bad, too many innocent people (and COPS) are at risk, and an uncommitted public simply doesn't want us to do it anymore. The handwriting is on the wall...
Well, whatever they do, just don't bring to Skokie rm 209. That so call "Judge" will let him go.
I love each and everyone of you police officers, who go to work each and everyday knowing full well that you may not make it home; while I go about my day oblivious to the daily perils you face. You are appreciated!!!
Anonymous said...
Will the state's atty do the right thing and charge the fleeing felon driver with homicide?
11/04/2009 08:16:00 AM
Got any video?
Sorry, then.
Will the state's atty do the right thing and charge the fleeing felon driver with homicide?
11/04/2009 08:16:00 AM
Last I checked, selling dope isn't a forcable felony.
The bottom line is that these fools really don't care about their "loved ones," at least not the same way that decent people care.
How many protests do you see from these fools complaining about unsolved murders? Compare that with the number of protests you see advocating freedom for people who are obviously guilty.
The bottom line is that they really don't want justice. They want money and the silly, stupid things they buy with it.
You need to remember that the next time you find yourself chasing a dope dealer down a gangway. If you're not doing it for your court date, then what are you doing it for?
I do feel sorry for the woman simply driving through the intersection but quite frankly its part of living in this shit city. I too have to live here, thank God not in englewood but its still shitcago. I always use extra caution driving through the ghetto. I know how gangbangers live. They chase each other, they ram each others cars, they shoot at each other, etc.. I dont go through a green light in the ghetto without almost stopping first. I know how these animals live. Unfortunately for this innocent woman she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Dont blame the police for doing what we get paid to do. I feel for her and the family but where does it end? When do we say its ok to go after the bad guys? I understand not chasing for stop signs and red lights although people that continue fleeing from those tend to be up to even worse things!! But now we shouldnt go after people for felonies either?
POS driver of van is being charged with murder. He did less than 15 yrs of 25 yr sentence for double murder in early '90s. Gotta love Cook County. Maybe Breakingnews could post some comments on this.
OT - CPD TV show, which will have TV crews following Chicago cops in their search process, is awaiting approval by the City Council. It must first go before the Council's Police Committee on Nov. 17. Committee Chairman Ald. Isaac Carothers (29th) told Sneed: "We are delighted because the show will present a positive light on the Chicago Police Department, which is extremely successful in finding missing persons."
lol, i bet. I won't be do shit with them in the car then again i don't do shit anyways.
A traffic stop at 7am? was the zone asleep at helm again that the beat car had to call the DEA for an assist!
Please dont sugar coat this as a fucking traffic stop.
Officers all went home safe though.
Glad this story had a happy(ish) ending.
one interesting note is that the driver was convicted of a double homicide in 91, served 14, got his life together, was working on his new rap record and guess what? Kills again.
Anonymous said...
Will the state's atty do the right thing and charge the fleeing felon driver with homicide?
11/04/2009 08:16:00 AM
Anonymous said...
First time that I've seen the words "state's atty" and "do the right thing" in the same sentence
11/04/2009 08:16:00 AM
"An understandable sentiment on the part of someone who has lost a loved one.
Is the arrest worth the death of an innocent bystander? Doesn't seem like it in this case.
11/04/2009 10:08:00 AM"
and just where were you, with your crystal ball, madame hoochy koochy?
excellent post westside do nothing. too bad theres still too many brainwashed idiots that try to be super heros becuz their assigned to some "elite" unit. you can show the lite to some people, but others just have to learn the hard way. and sorry to see that people are hating on you, whether joking or not. they obviously are the infamous "hair gel" generation of coppers. sad, sad, sad...they could learn alot from guys/girls like you. keep up the good work dude.
11/04 1:30 pm-- so it would be ok if your mother or daughter or aunt or grandma was killed during this pursuit because that is what the police do--- son, you better stop sniffing those sharpee markers in your mom's basement and get your head out of your ass--- you are god damn right the police work stopped for me a long time ago--- when you put that star on your left sleeve you will understand the foolishness of your beliefs and how terribly you have been misinformed about the realities of this job....
Hey, here's an idea. With the media and public frenzy about the CPD chasing vehicles how about this: every time a person commits a crime and attempts to drive away, the officer writes down the plate number, runs it to get the information and then proceeds to lock up the owner of said vehicle!
The same punishment theory works for the Red Light Cameras. The camera takes a picture of the plate, not the driver. So it doesn't matter if someone else is at the wheel when the offense is committed, the driver is held responsible and gets whacked with the fine.
So why can't the same method be used for all other offenses involving vehicles?
Let the negative commentators try pursuing criminals over fences, through piss soaked alleys and running towards gunfire...Not to mention the traditional gangway ambush, or trying to return fire while slipping on ice...And then lets see how much they like it.
Yes cops have a job to do. Having drugs is not a violent crime. An innocent person got killed. The bad guys are surely at fault and should be charged accordingly. But was it worth it?
YOU ARE TRULY A FOOL
What the hell has been the cause of almost all the violence...DRUGS
How bout these thugs do their transactions in your backyard, no problem right??? Don't call the popo cuz it aint violent, ight???
Just quietly walk off somewhere and please take any offspring with you.
The Supreme Court has ruled that if you are fleeing from the police and you hit and kill someone YOU the fleeing individual are solely responsible to killing the innocent person. The officers ARE NOT liabile!!!! SO GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!
11/04 1:30 pm-- so it would be ok if your mother or daughter or aunt or grandma was killed during this pursuit because that is what the police do--- son, you better stop sniffing those sharpee markers in your mom's basement and get your head out of your ass--- you are god damn right the police work stopped for me a long time ago--- when you put that star on your left sleeve you will understand the foolishness of your beliefs and how terribly you have been misinformed about the realities of this job....
11/05/2009 02:07:00 AM
You sir are a coward. These are the realities of the job: You might not come home, you might get sued, you might get bent over by the bosses, you might get fired, you might earn your paycheck by stop being a fucking little bitch.
Realities of the job: We are the good guys, they are the bad guys. Good guys chase bad guys, unfortunately someone gets hurt(not bad guy). Does it suck yes, but not one bad guy nor their family members will ever shed a tear for you or for the innocent victim. So if this job is so terrible that your fragile little heart can't do your job Mayor Daley needs more Meter Maids.
11/04/2009 07:07:00 AM
The only problem with that is that we have to live in the city. All of you dogs keep forgetting that. So if we are patroling our own neighborhood we should just let everything go to shit. Sorry there dutch, but thats not going to happen. I know, I know we are all gonna get sued and lose are jobs. Maybe if you know it alls just listened to people who have time on the job you just might make it to your 3 year reunion. Learn how to do your job handjob and quit whinning.
11/04/2009 10:35:00 AM
The problem is you punks aren't patrolling shit. You're sitting in the station processing your fucking one baggers while pooky is on the prowl in our fucking neighborhoods. You just keep doing what you're doing "dutch" but try not to cry a river at your benefit when the department is ramming it in your ass and don't expect me to put a dime in your little charity bucket at the desk when you step on your dick.
Anonymous said...
The coppers are going to be alright. If you are working with the G and something like that happens you are covered by G liability. Thats what my FTO once told me. How do you get to work on a task force with the Drug Enforcement Agency? Do you get any extra benefits?
11/04/2009 01:32:00 PM
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Well, by god, it must be true then.
11/05/2009 02:07:00 AM
Trust me, supercop, I know all to well of the realities of this job! I’ve been doing it long enough, without my head in my ass! I can stomach the politics, the layers of bureaucratic bullshit, the ungrateful public, the revolving door at the jail and the court system… And I’ll even admit that I have slowed down tremendously since J-fraud came to town. But the one thing that churns my stomach is a coward and a chicken-shit!
How would I feel if that was one of my family members? FUCKING HORRIBLE! But I wouldn’t start talking shit about a bunch of COPS DOING THE JOB! I couldn’t blame officers FOR ATTEMPTING TO CLEAN UP MY CITY! Would I be pissed off? Oh fuck yes!
Id place the blame where it belongs: On the waste of space/sperm/life/oxygen dope dealing piece of shit who peddles poison in the community. And that very poison that perpetuates crime in the community.
I also like to know some facts before I make comments. Learn a little about what happened on 62rd St, you might change your mind.
I also like the fact that, yes, I’ve slowed down. However, I have no problem doing the job I chose, and get paid to do. I also have no problem looking myself I the mirror when I wake up in the morning. I furthermore have no problem scratching my balls.
Massengill has a special, 25% off…. Looks like you might need it.
Anonymous said...
Republicans pulled some major victories in Virginia today. Let's keep that ball rolling in time for Illinois elections!
11/04/2009 12:46:00 AM
We don't have any good Republicans in Illinois, just the Illinois Combine that gave us George Ryan.
Anonymous said...
The coppers are going to be alright. If you are working with the G and something like that happens you are covered by G liability. Thats what my FTO once told me. How do you get to work on a task force with the Drug Enforcement Agency? Do you get any extra benefits?
11/04/2009 01:32:00 PM
Ahaaa, your FTO once told you. Mine told me it was OK to take a double sawbuck from funeral homes. Then a bunch of guys got indicted for doing exactly that. But, if your FTO told you.....
problem is you punks aren't patrolling shit. You're sitting in the station processing your fucking one baggers while pooky is on the prowl in our fucking neighborhoods. You just keep doing what you're doing "dutch" but try not to cry a river at your benefit when the department is ramming it in your ass and don't expect me to put a dime in your little charity bucket at the desk when you step on your dick.
11/05/2009 01:08:00 PM
must live in 022, dork
must live in 022, dork
Great response! You might make Sergeant some day! Now go back home and have mommy cook you dinner. Don't worry, you'll hit step 2 soon and might be able to afford an apartment of your own.
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