Here Come the Quotas
Quota based policing, coming to a district near you. And how will they encourage you to participate? By not allowing you to work Special Employment unless you generate numbers!
That's right. No contract for 3 years, no raises for 3.5 years (excluding step raises). Taxes through the roof. Fees and fines jacked up. The cost of living out of control. But if you want to get a little breathing room by working special, you better have numbers:
That's right. No contract for 3 years, no raises for 3.5 years (excluding step raises). Taxes through the roof. Fees and fines jacked up. The cost of living out of control. But if you want to get a little breathing room by working special, you better have numbers:
- Movers
- Parkers
- Curfew/School Absentee
- Contact Cards
- Misdemeanor & Felony totals
No more seniority. All graded by the numbers. And how are they going to suck you in? They're going to set the bar low so as to show you, "Look, it isn't so bad. You can get Special just by doing the barest of minimums." And after 6 months or a year, they'll start to inch it up, and there you have it. Inside spots will be graded on what they pull in during the "grace" period prior to full implementation.
Quotas lead to bad police work and are a loser in court:
Quotas lead to bad police work and are a loser in court:
- Officer, is it true that by not arresting/ticketing/citing a certain number of citizens every month, you are denied opportunities to earn additional money? What is to say that my client was anything but a "head number" so you could line your own pockets?
Labels: dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
194 Comments:
Disgusting and a sad state of affairs...
Who's brainchild was this?
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
they can keep the one day a month they give u at special ..5 f!im done!!!
you can ''quota'' me. this job is a forkin joke.
"...how will they encourage you to participate? By not allowing you to work Special Employment unless you generate numbers!"
Sadly, we have enough guys dumb enough to fall for this.
They'll soon have us pitted against each other.
Divide and conquer.
Health care will pass this week and become law. The end of the United States is only 1 generation away.....I feel bad for my children and their children.....
So much for the Senority Clause in our contract.
I smell lawsuit.
And BTW....
What about the Detective>?
Will they just be pulled from special employment?
Unless they are going to issue ticket books to D2A.
This will never happen. Like you wrote, lawyers can tear it appart. You can't have quotas when dealing with human lives and human rights.
Same old shit! But I like the court comment,more tickets but more would get off! If a copper does not "see' anything they (WE) cannot create a falsehood,it is in the feebs playbook not to lie correct boss?
(OT) Thanks to the coppers from 008 that busted over 60 gang bangers in a closed restaurant on archer Ave the other night! Don't know who found all the assholes but a big THANK YOU!!! Thanks for protecting the "home front"! God bless all of you!! If your CPD look at data warehouse beat 811 from Sat night and look at all the assholes that are all not from the area but traveled here! Sorry don't want to give any credit,with gang punks gang names to the trolls!
Are these bosses fuckin' crazy??
You think this job has been walked to a stand-still now, wait until some savvy lawyers start eating coppers up on the witness stand. It sure as shit-fire WILL NOT BE ABOUT WHETHER A LAW WAS BROKEN but about coppers trying to get a little extra just to pay bills and have a few extra bucks to put in the tank or a couple extra pieces of chicken in the pot.
When coppers start getting love letters about "what's in your wallet because me & my client want all of it" you can bet what's left of your ass that the city will divorce itself from you in a heart beat!
Do any of these smartest bosses in the history of CPD think this shit through??
Riiight! They don't give a fuck because they're not the ones scratchin' and scufflin' trying to dig up whatever o/t or special employment they can.
It's easy for them to conjure up fuckery like this as it doesn't affect THEIR POCKETS!
When confronted by a lawyer pursuing the line of questioning SCC uses to lead off the topic, name the upper echelon as the ones who ordered you to engage in quota based Policing so as not to incur additional financial hardship or the threat of discipline for failing to meet these arbitrary numbers that they're coming up with.
Since apparently management is so short-sighted as to not see the potential trick-bag they're putting the Policeman into, then name them on the stand as ordering you to engage in quota based Policing and see how much THEY like getting torn up by a slick lawyer and getting love letters that THEIR POCKETS are about to get picked.
We swear they come up with this silly shit and laugh when a copper gets caught in the switches trying to do what's right only to have the situation turn to pure extra-strength economy sized shit...
This shit will stop when bosses start getting sued too... The city will run from them with fingers in ears yelling "la-la-la, we can't hear you." Everybody is going to end up being told YOYO behind this.
Ain't gonna happen, but if it did...
First, as suggested, coppers WILL get jammed-up; not necessarily IF they go head-hunting, but rather WHEN they go head-hunting. As sure as J-Fed and crew are useless douche bags, more and more coppers will be taking shortcuts, exploring grayer areas and getting caught on tape pushing the boundaries in order to "make the cut".
Second, seniority is king on this job when it comes to second employment opportunities, furloughs, elective time off, etcetera. The number of negative ramifications should seniority be eliminated are too many to even begin to list - use your imagination as to the anarchy that would unfold amongst the ranks.
Finally, folks like myself have inside spots by bid (here's that seniority thingy again). Oftentimes, but not necessarily always, these spots were claimed by veteran officers who put in their time in the trenches - I bid to a L/U spot after pushing a beat car a few years in the Deuce and several years in 015. I've paid my dues, and now it's time for me to relax.
I haven't worked the street in 6 years other than for various forms of Special Employment, so I have absolutely NO activity since coming inside. I get stellar reviews from the sergeants that have graded/rated me on this new system (copies of which have been made for when the time's right), so is my workload, demeanor, attendance, etcetera going to be factored in when it's time to see whether or not I'm worthy to work Special Employment?
I'd love for this rumor to come to fruition so I could be denied the opportunities that I have rightfully gained by putting in my time...just as those before me did - it would be a sure winner come grievance time. It'd be a close second to the time a certain W/C, in her scheme to punish me, made me hit the street with a recruit for a whole period/training cycle while her FTO went on furlough. End result? A period paid at time-and-one-half at D2 rate.
So as I started this comment, so too shall I end it.
Ain't gonna happen...whoever made up this obvious bullshit to get your attention, SCC, should've submitted it on April 1st.
What's the word with Trahanas? Or Cuello for that matter? What about Wedster? Anyone hear what's going on with her? Rick Flair? Hows that gym sale?
Lets all do our best to keep these things on the front burner, not the back.
Welcome to Suburban policing CPD.
Its not like departments have a monetary interest or anything,$100 for every DUI conviction goes directly to the dept.
Just boycott special employment for 6 months and see how fast that policy changes. Oh wait, I forgot. We can't get three coppers to agree on lunch let alone make a real difference. Our SCABS from within would cross that line in a heartbeat for the extra buck. Lets just do what we have been doing for as long as I have been on this job... BEND OVER!!!
If coppers stuck together, nobody would be able to fuck with them. Unfortunately, there are plenty of brown-nosers on this job who are only out for themselves. They will make bullshit arrests just to keep the bosses happy. This does not make them better police officers. They are not the real police and will never be.
They still ain't getting me to do shiiiiiiiiit !! No contract, no work from me. Where's FOP on this BULLSHIT. So from now on when someone ask me why Im stopping them, I should state " Because you are a part of my quota". I'll be the first to testify on myself and help the poor bastard citizen to sue the city and whoever implements this plan. I got 25 years on this job and can go anytime. Looks like I'm going out with some noise.
This can only end badly.
Fuck quotas and double fuck whomever greemlit this gem.
SCC: What is the name of the rectum who came up with this?
The female who was in the restaurant while the other female went to the car and got caught smoking a cig by jfed in 9th district, now tells her watch commander not to put the female that smokes with her anymore.
Watch. No longer will they work together.
These females have been friends for the likes of 20 years.
Her watch commander must be tiring of her going to him all the time. Capt, I need this. Capt, I wrote this and that. Capt, can I make my own hours? Capt, don't put her with me anymore. Capt, let me thank you by getting caught screwing up.
Quotas will only encourage officers to make un-prosecutable arrests and those failures in court will translate in further erosion of the public’s confidence and perception of the police. If they linked this program with successful prosecutions it might have some merit but they won’t. The lazy and incompetent officers will respond to this by making bullshit arrests and find themselves heroes.
This is foolishness on a massive scale and in the long run will cost the taxpayers millions to settle the civil suits. The ghetto lottery will be paying off big time. They might as well be throwing money out the windows of squad cars.
give them a few months time and this city will be begging us to come in and work our days off and special...they wont have enough p.os to provide basic service.
Sorry Westside Inside, this one is coming. I work at 35th Street and this upcoming disaster is brought to you courtesy of Steve Georgas and Daniel Dugan! They've been tweaking it for months now and word is it's ready to roll. Strap in!
What about det's??????
Let it happen.Every offender should challenge their case in court and when we have to testify,every P.O. should just say "I cited/arrested him/her because I need to make the quota required to work special employment" for every case. Lets see how long that'll last.
Somehow,though, I dont think we'll all stick together on this. We are not the CPD we use to be.
I/F
For further on the quota shell game you need to read the May 2005 FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin "productivity analysis for basic police patrol activities by Roy H Hendron ...don't worry if the FBI is behind it how could it hurt?
OT) Thanks to the coppers from 008 that busted over 60 gang bangers in a closed restaurant on archer Ave the other night! Don't know who found all the assholes but a big THANK YOU!!! Thanks for protecting the "home front"! God bless all of you!! If your CPD look at data warehouse beat 811 from Sat night and look at all the assholes that are all not from the area but traveled here! Sorry don't want to give any credit,with gang punks gang names to the trolls.
There were 45 adults and 16 juveniles locked up that night at 6316 Archer. Most of the gangbangers were from 025 or 014. Good work by the P/O's but hopefully the building owner secures it alittle better or is he a gangbanger himself.
Quotas? I hope if that comes to pass that it becomes the subject of a lawsuit filed by our FOP and the source of massive bad press.
Then I can legitimately tell people on traffic stops that I am required to make my quota and you can bet jody's beady eyeballs that I will give that as the reason for many a future traffic stop.
"Sir, I am stopping you because of the quota system now in effect. I must issue a minimum number of tickets or else I will be disciplined so for today, unfortunately for you, you are getting the ticket. Yes, you will see me in court and I will testify as to the existence of the quota system there also."
We'll see if that can't generate some buzz for 42 short and perhaps a class action lawsuit.
One step forward and three leaps back for this department.
If you are that hard up and a loser that you have to work special
to make ends meet, then you my friend have a fucking problem. "Live within your means."
...and then tell dugan or whoever to go fuck themselves and their numbers.
I have'nt worked that bullshit for over 14 years when I got my ass chewed for some crap while I should have been off and in relaxation mode. I vowed never never to work that crap.
If you joined this dept for money then you fucked up. I myself would forgo a retro or raise to see J-Cock and the mayor in jail and Cozzi Free as a bird.
Georgas and Dugan....sounds like something those two 'warriors' would create!
as an employed taxpaying citizen i'm concerned about the number of questionable parkers or movers i may get if the rank and file work to meet their quotas. just a de facto fee increase for the people with jobs in this shit hole of a city. is it possible to hate daley enough? is it wrong to wish for extereme suffering and hardship on the little motherfucker?
Divide and conquer. Don't fall for it.
---not a cop
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The female who was in the restaurant while the other female went to the car and got caught smoking a cig by jfed in 9th district, now tells her watch commander not to put the female that smokes with her anymore.
Watch. No longer will they work together.
These females have been friends for the likes of 20 years.
Her watch commander must be tiring of her going to him all the time. Capt, I need this. Capt, I wrote this and that. Capt, can I make my own hours? Capt, don't put her with me anymore. Capt, let me thank you by getting caught screwing up.
3/22/2010 03:17:00 AM
Your case reports must be a joy to read...
Anonymous said...
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
3/22/2010 12:22:00 AM
Hey bitch! All those "dogs" worked at one time. Soon you'll be in their boat. Then you will be crying louder than anyone.
And if by some chance the "dogs" are excluded from special they are still ahead of the game. More ahead of the game than you will ever be.
FYI. I don't work special. Been there done that.
sorry but i have better things to do on my day off than put on the monkey suit and jump buses.... many guys who do this need the money ( divorce, house full of kids, nest egg for retirement)-- does the department intend on rewriting a bunch of general orders because their are none which specify what an officer's activity should be--- how about this-- anyone promomted to sgt should have 100 part one felony pinches which you are in box 1 on the arrest report--- yes, real police officers being promoted, not the bosses daughter, not the alderman's neighbor, not the deputy's driver.... if the department is going to institute QUOTAS then you do it for everything across the board, not just special employment....
Really? How many movers, parkers, contact cards & arrests do the rats at 35th & Michigan get?! FOP, where are you??!!
I will NOT write a mover or parker, let alone do anything for this crappy dept or crappy city we are forced to live in....they can take special employment and shove it!
how do u get numbers when we are short handed and going from job to job- and inside people - what will they be based on- put traffic court at a fucking location I can park my fucking car and I wouldn't mind writing movers to some of these gang bang assholes and punks
If coppers stuck together, nobody would be able to fuck with them. Unfortunately, there are plenty of brown-nosers on this job who are only out for themselves. They will make bullshit arrests just to keep the bosses happy. This does not make them better police officers. They are not the real police and will never be.
Have you ever thought people make arrests so they can get overtime via court? Not everyone has enough time to get special employement. So untill i get enough time to get special, i will lock people up. old saggy balls cops have special. young ones have court. that's the way it's always been. if you dont like it go back to your desk spot and lie to ladies about what you do for a living.
ot officers don't worry about rising health care costs
2014 is right around the corner
and city of chicago employees &
retirees will be covered
thanks to obama care
Against our contract. Most is by seniority. However, I guess a boss could refuse to ok your request in the computer if you don't have enough bus checks. Great way to produce morale. I doubt if they do this and only the smart bosses will refuse to play this game.
OK . . . The sky must be falling!
The readers' comments are actually PRO-POLICE on the Breaking News site in the Scum-Times, regarding the shooting and killing by police of the man holding the 6 year old at knife-point.
AMAZING ! ! ! ! !
Not even ONE comment saying the police didn't have to kill the poor misunderstood bastard!
Not even ONE comment saying the police should have just wounded or winged the guy instead of killing him!
Not even ONE comment saying that the police should have shot the knife out of his hand!
Goodness knows the bad guys fire their guns WAY MORE often than we do. Maybe the public is starting to pick up on the fact that if the gangbangers are shooting so many innocent bystanders accidentally, the Big City Police may not be able to perform those circus feats!
That is how this crap always starts. Set the bar low then ratch it up. It will only take a few kiss ass's to be held up as examples of what you should strive for to please massa J-Fed.
Boss: "Sorry, Luke. I'm just doing my job. You gotta appreciate that.
Luke: Nah - calling it your job don't make it right, Boss."
Cool Hand Luke
How long have we been without a contract? How many raises have we had in 3 years? Oh yah................ZERO! Thats how many parkers and movers youre getting from me DICK DALEY and JFUCK!
I am sure this is more Jfed, Mike Masters, Cuello and Polcy Group bullshit.
I just want to put it out there, 001 and 018 has more P.O.'s and Supervisors than 004, 005, 008 and 011?
Its not like I can't get a part time gig some where else. F*ck them! 19-paul.
Ohio Cop Reprimanded for Not Writing Enough Traffic Tickets
By The Newspaper on October 13, 2008
The Columbus Dispatch reports that Madison Township, Ohio police have issued officer Ken Braden a written reprimanded for failing to write enough traffic tickets. Officer Braden only wrote 85 tickets last year. His most prolific fellow officer wrote 388. And here’s the kicker: Braden’s tied the record for the most criminal arrests. Police Chief Greg Ryan couldn’t give a shit [paraphrasing]. “He gets paid as much as the other officers,” Ryan told the Dispatch. “He should do as much work as the other officers.” According to Chief Ryan, in 2006, his twelve patrol officers wrote 1935 tickets and seized 194 cars (selling 41 of them for profit). And no small part of that “success” is due to Chief Ryan’s 2005 written mandate: “Effective immediately, all uniformed patrol officers are expected, as a minimum level of self-initiated activity, to issue one traffic citation, one traffic warning, and complete five park & walk business checks/residential vacation checks each shift worked,” Ryan’s memorandum stated. The local Fraternal Order of Police union is defending Braden in a complaint against the department.
I have not done shit for the last year except drive around and write a report when I have to and will do the same for the next 15. I get paid the same as the ones that bust their ass. LOL
Sometimes "WE" lose perspective on the reality that everyone else faces. How can an officer ride the CTA for a tour of duty and NOT find someone deserving an ANOV or arrest? The police department employs police to perform services.
The mindset of entitlement is the same mentality that feeds the ghetto and politicians. Expecting officers working VSEP to do police work should not be that difficult.
-------OT----
Here is the word for today that I get....I think it fits Chicago to a tee! Or at least the brass seem to live here:
"cloud cuckoo land"
PRONUNCIATION:
(KLOUD-koo-koo-land)
MEANING:
noun: An idealized, unrealistic state; a place out of touch with reality.
Copper from 65 and Lowe that saved that 7 year old girls life by shooting the prick that had a knife to her throat--You are a HERO! God Bless you sir!
So, when you work in a unit where you are not expected to write parkers, movers, contact cards, etc (i.e. take a look at many of the D2 positions - E/T, canine, etc.) - how will they be graded? And as someone has already mentioned - what about the inside spots - lockup, desk, etc.?
I'm tired of these "well thought out" (sense the sarcasm) ideas.
Special Employment opportunities are covered by the collective bargaining agreement, where senority dictates assignment.
Not going to happen.
In skokie we call them "Goals" and of course they are just a guideline but if you are below your guideline you endup not getting your top shift pcks or requested days off.
But of course its all about traffic safety and has absolutly nothing to do with revenue
i'm sure your bosses are jut tryin g to follow our lead and make the roadways safer..........because nothing makes roadways safer than ticket fines, court costs and admin tow fees($500 per vehicle here)
3/22/2010 12:22:00 AM
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
That's nice skippy...Maybe you'll sing a different tune once you get over four years on the job. I certainly am nowhere near being in the KMA club but this job is nothing without seniority.
I would like to see your opinion fifteen to twenty years from now when some three-year-wonder calls you a dog and believes you and he should have the same opportunites because "that's fair"!!
Whenever it comes true...well then MAKE A COPY of whatever form it comes out on and keep it somewhere secure.....then when the shit rolls downhill (and it will) you have some very interesting papers to hand to the lawyers.....
As long as it doesn't generate revenue it's not a big thing. Curfews,school absentees are a pain in the butt, but it's...uh...kind of our job. As far as REVENUE and hunting for bad guys,nope. Answer your radio and most importantly,BACK EACH OTHER UP!
It has always been about the numbers. Even before the useless contract.
"I observed the individual go through the yellow light. I issued the citation to fulfill my quota for the week in order not have a negative impact on my job."
This fight has come to the point of the old proverb,
"THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND."
I may forward this thread to a lawyer's blog.
As soon as anything OFFICIAL is published, forward that to every Defence Attorney under every rock and slimhole in the greater Chicagoland area.
It's Monday and if it were not for that Obama-ominable damn health care give away today this might make the news.
>>>Anonymous said...
This will never happen. Like you wrote, lawyers can tear it appart. You can't have quotas when dealing with human lives and human rights.
3/22/2010 12:49:00 AM<<<
Tell that to any White Cop or Fireman or with some gray hair..
Did you ever hear of Judge Prentiss Marshall, Affrimative Action, Race Norming, Standardization and all the rest were quotas by a different name.
There will be "enforcement index profiles' or some such non-sence but it will not be called "quotas".
Thanks to the Democrats, there will be rationing of health care, and $400 BILLION in NEW TAXES. I am sure each one of us working stiffs will have our quota of that!
Its not true, still by seniority per FOP
Special employment has always had quotas, sorry to burst your bubble. CTA special you have to do somthing like 20 bus rides and platform checks a day. You want to work in p/c you better arrest a turnstile jumper or you work in uniform. The only guys bitching about this are the dogass asses that want a free meal. Guess your free ride is over. You want to work special, you better actually work. "We don't have a contract, so I ain't doing nothing." Guess your right. Don't do nothing, don't get special employment. To bad so sad. Oh, by the by, the union approved it.
WHO GIVES A FUCK? Let them keep there 170 take home for special and go work another gig for 1 day a week. Theres a ton of shit out there for off duty guys. FUCK THEM AND THAT PUSSY SHIT. I understand guys have tuition and shit to pay but if we keep givivng them shit they will keep taking more. Wake the fuck up
Anonymous said...
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
3/22/2010 12:22:00 AM
WELL, YES AND NO...
I'm a D2 who works 3rd watch CTA and ALWAYS brings in more arrests/activity that the other teams.
Even last night, worked with a D2A with 42 yoj who nearly didn't get out of the car, but to eat.
Why work?
A] To point out Uncle Dans' flawed logic of denying special employment programs to all but the 9161s.
B] Leadership - No, sure as hell not from the top, but at the field supervisor level. CTA VSEP has SGTS on the 3rd watch that actually thank people for activity or a good arrest on the CTA.
Time was a good "tagger" arrest might get you an extra day of special. Now that Georges fucked that all up, the supervisors at VSEP don't have much left available to them to motivate the troops. A thanks for the activity goes a long way on a deptment where most of the bosses wouldn't even give it a thought.
C] Personal pride - Came on this job to be a cop, learning from some of the best and am still a practitioner of lessons well learned.
What's Going on Over Here?
How bout your guys show some unity and balls.
If NO ONE puts in for special for two months after this is implemented and CTA, CHA, and the city start to worry about losing federal dollars this will all go away.
Of course it will never happen as coppers are all complaining and talk and no action.
Anonymous said...
The female who was in the restaurant while the other female went to the car and got caught smoking a cig by jfed in 9th district, now tells her watch commander not to put the female that smokes with her anymore.
Watch. No longer will they work together.
These females have been friends for the likes of 20 years.
Her watch commander must be tiring of her going to him all the time. Capt, I need this. Capt, I wrote this and that. Capt, can I make my own hours? Capt, don't put her with me anymore. Capt, let me thank you by getting caught screwing up.
3/22/2010 03:17:00 AM
So what's the big deal... And why in the world do you care, and care enough to write this personal issue between two partners on this blog? You really really need to get a life.
I absolutely hate working with someone who smokes. It sucks. There's no reason that someone who doesn't smoke should have to deal with inhaling that shit. Even if they hold it out the window or smoke it in the car while you're at lunch or whatever you still get stuck smelling that shit. I'm all for the ordinance and you selfish people that don't take your partners feelings into consideration can go F yourselves.
3/22/2010 12:37:00 AM
Don;t you get enough overtime? You are making D2a as well. Get over it.
It occurred to me that this is part of another plan of Shorty and Jughead.
The plan to reduce the size of the CPD, a size around 8,000 like that of L.A..
As one poster put it, " I've paid my dues, and now it's time for me to relax. " On the L.A.P.D., officers often do not stay to full retirement. Many leave after 7-8 or 10 years. This saves that city untold millions in pension and medical costs and having non-productive officers on the payroll.
Stay safe, never trust Daley, a fed or their plans.
Looks like Steve Georgas and Dan Dugan will be two of the defendants listed on my suit filed against the City of Chicago when I'm denied the opportunity to work Special Employment.
I absolutely DARE the powers-that-be to implement such nonsense. You'll get a class action war that you won't be able to possibly win.
And a note from me to you, Stevie and Danny boys, - I'm coming at you punitive-style, too. Right after I get paid from the City.
And while just a futile question on my part, but what says the FOP on this????
Watch Illinois HB6035 in Springfield for the elimination of ticket quota systems. It has FOP sponsorship and was passed out of committee by 7-3 vote. It is expected to be called to the floor very soon. The Suburban Chiefs and the Ill Chiefs Assn are freaking out.
Start a business, get a private sector job, don't strive to be a serf. Won't be easy until the economy picks up steam but you can look at yourself in the mirror.
HUH?
Georgas & Dugan are the parents of this bullshit?
Say no more...
Oh yeah, we figured Georgas was a first class creep-ass during the march/rally around city hall... we spied him hiding in a doorway with a pen & paper looking at marchers faces VERY CLOSELY! No doubt to spy any officers from 018 exercising their rights as free men so he could take "corrective action" against them later. We do hope no one from 018 was harmed as a result but he revealed himself to be a large female reproductive tract for that.
Dugan? The fuckery emanating from the resident frustrated maiden auntie is wholly apparent, now he makes no attempt to hide behind the false "was the Police, gives coppers a fair shake" facade he invented. One who is a stroke, jag and a power-tool like duggie cannot keep those tendencies suppressed for very long... They manifest themselves in grand mal fashion... ALWAYS!
We suggest that when defense attorneys start tearing coppers up on the witness stand, just name Dugan and Georgas as the fools who ordered quota based Policing.
As a matter of fact, coppers probably SHOULD engage in guerrilla warfare and send questionable bullshit to court and watch the fun as Dugan & Georgas run like bitches yelling "no no no, you guys aren't supposed to turn it around on us! This was meant to fuck with you blue-shirts and cost you guys time and aggravation answering law suits and getting money taken out of your pockets... NOT US!"
Almost no point in naming weis-hole, he's a feeb and has immunity in spite of signing off on the order but hey, it can still be done for shits & giggles right?
Either that or everyone stays the fuck away from special employment... We have them where we want them. Make the smartest muthafuckin bosses in the history of CPD try to figure out how to run "special enjoyment" without stripping additional NONEXISTENT manpower from the districts.
They're so intent on fucking Patrol that they can't sense the hot breath on their backs and cold hands fondling their sweet cheeks in preparation for...
Why fight the quotas? We should be on a ticket blitz!! We are never going to hurt Daley and his machine with a ticket slow-down.
Obama got almost 86% of the vote in Chicago. The citizens want higher taxes and fines, so lets give it to them. When they have to start paying for their socialist utopia maybe the won't like so much.
TIME FOR A TICKET BLITZ!!
It's not so bad. Just be creative. If you have kids, there are your school absentees and curfews. Use your nieces and nephews if you have too. Find an abandoned vehicle and write it a parker. No one will be paying the fines so you won't be hurting an real citizen and the mayor won't get any money. For a mover, look out for Carlos Escobar. He has risen from the dead and is driving without a license. After he signs his Ibond, see if he shows up to court.
For real tix, write them for compliance items, tell them to bring proof that they fixed the stuff and the ticket gets dismissed. Everyone is happy! CAPS in action.
Give them what they want.
You've given them something to count and done some type of enforcement activity. They can't say you're not working. And no one is complaining.
And what makes you think the dept. cares if you are involved in a lawsuit regarding quotas? We didn't tell the officer to hammer that poor guy, its not our fault he wanted to work special. No room for it here; not in this department, just check our general orders.
what do you mean? No more sleeping on the job when 'working' CTA, CHA, safe city or safe school?
Work, what's that?
un-prosecutable arrest?
WELL I WOULDNT GO THAT FAR!
SO I GUESS ALL THE DICKS/ET'S/BOMB TECH ETC ETC ARE CUT OUT OF THE PIE.
ADD TO THE FACT THAT DICKS ARE UNDERSTAFFED AND OVERTIME IS BEING CUT.
AS USUAL MOST OFFICERS ARE HAPPY RIDING A BUS ALL DAY OR WORKING AT A SCHOOL FOR SIDE MONEY.
THE FOP IS ALSO HAPPY WITH THIS BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE TO DEAL W/ THE GRIEVANCES.
THE CITY BETTER HOPE THAT RETRO CHECK HASNT BEEN TAMPERED WITH!
BUT FOR 1 DAY OF WORK AT AN AIRPORT PO'S WILL SELL THEIR SOULS THAT IS THE SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS. I EVEN KNOW SOME SEASONED OFFICERS DOING SECURITY FOR 15 DOLLARS AN HOUR.
I EXPECT A TWO TIERED PENSION SYSTEM SOON JUST LIKE THE WAY THE FOP SOLD PPO'S OUT WITH THE 18 MONTH PROBATION PERIOD GIVING THE CITY AN EXTRA SIX MONTHS TO SCREW WITH OFFICER SCHEDULES.
OH WELL.........
Anonymous said...
(OT) Thanks to the coppers from 008 that busted over 60 gang bangers in a closed restaurant on archer Ave the other night! Don't know who found all the assholes but a big THANK YOU!!! Thanks for protecting the "home front"! God bless all of you!! If your CPD look at data warehouse beat 811 from Sat night and look at all the assholes that are all not from the area but traveled here! Sorry don't want to give any credit,with gang punks gang names to the trolls!
3/22/2010 12:54:00 AM
My thanks also,last night on the way home saw a t/a on 52nd street about menard,don't know what happened but the younger coppers from tru or msf were on the scene,which means they are in the area of the taxpayers thanks from a KMA copper keep up the good work summer is coming!
oh boy... i won't be able to work my one day a month for the cta at straight time. :-(
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
3/22/2010 12:22:00 AM
Same here, I know it's not much time but I got (6) years on and I use to get CTA but now now I can't even get that...
have a certain sgt. from 701 work his "magic" in the districts. he will show the 25-30 year officers how to do it.
All the union has to do is have a press conference and state that the City is making quotas for whatever activity they want us to do to work special Employment and that will nip that in the bud,unless they are going along with this nonsense.
Quotas bad......... work overtime for cash otherwise you just pay more taxes and the OT is not worth it.
i don't work special anyway so who cares!
So I guess they will make a criteria for each position on the department. That sounds like an impossible task, but we all know these bosses will implement any hair brain idea they can think of.
This ship has sunk and is just floating aimlessly toward the bottom.
Come together before we come apart.
Fuck'em the can keep their special!
I am IOD. whats going on here? What quota? Is it written down? Sounds like a dumb move to me
a dept lead by a bunch of people who have never been the real police. you all act like its something new.
we are lead by a bunch of misfits from the top of the daisy chain on down.
daley is an idiot
weis is an idiot
masters is an idiot
and so on and so on
hey new guys and gals dont fall for this because it wont and cant happen because if it does it will be leaked to attorneys that the city makes us write or we are penalized.
this wont happen unless we allow it to
so man and woman up dont freak out and dont let it happen....
my son is a moron and i am sorry for the nonsense he has brought upon you fine men and women
I had dinner with nine other white middle-aged suburbanites last week, and three of them had been stopped within the last week for "insufficient stopping at a stop sign" at a residential street-block with no other cars around.
I call that profiling too. What could be easier than writing a moving violation for a license-bearing, insurance-carrying, white-collar overly-polite middle-class business person in a foreign-made car? Enough hyphens. Go get the bad guys w/o license, insurance, plates, running the red-lights while DUI.
A parolee who was arrested for the 224th time was charged with two misdemeanors after being found with the empty bottle of $9 vodka he allegedly stole from a CVS on the Near North Side Saturday morning.
Jerome Cosey, 48, of the 1600 block of West LeMoyne Avenue, was charged with retail theft and criminal trespass both of which are misdemeanors, according to police. Cosey was arrested at 9:45 a.m. at the CVS at 1165 N. Clark St. after allegedly taking a bottle of 750 ml bottle of Wolfschmidt Vodka without paying for it, marking his 224th arrest, police said.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2115718,parolee-charged-for-stealing-vodka-032210.article
I seem to recall quotas being illegal. Federal law, civil rights, all those hazy things kind of blur together into a recollection that you don't sandbag people. Also, this opens up a ton of complaints from those with inside/administrative slots. It's a trainwreck, so it will probably happen.
(OT) Thanks to the coppers from 008 that busted over 60 gang bangers in a closed restaurant on archer Ave the other night! Don't know who found all the assholes but a big THANK YOU!!! Thanks for protecting the "home front"! God bless all of you!! If your CPD look at data warehouse beat 811 from Sat night and look at all the assholes that are all not from the area but traveled here! Sorry don't want to give any credit,with gang punks gang names to the trolls!
You're very welcome!
Ah the numbers game again. How bout this; FUCK YOU!!!
HOW MUCH CREDIT TOWARDS 'THE QUOTA' DO I GET FOR THE 3RD FLOOR SHITHEAD DOMESTICS IM GOING TO ALL NIGHT????????????? 1 FRANK
I want to know how they're gonna grade all the empty holsters at HQ, detectives and shortshanks bodyguards I see every month at cta/cha???? Their activity is 0%, but I am sure their will be an exemption made?!?!?! Hope the FOP is on this!!!!
This is ripe for the next U.S. Supreme Court Lawsuit!
Let the circus begin!
Chicago better start putting aside lawsuit money for when they lose in court for violating everyone's civil rights!
It is coming, and right now it is only Safe City because that program is completley federally funded. I am sure the little school program is next, because those 3 hours are paid for by the grant that was given for safe city.
Like every nice perk on this job coppers are the ones who brought this upon themselves.
FYI
HB 6035 – Which makes it unlawful to impose ticket quotas on officers is getting a lot of attention around the State as many Chiefs are opposed to this legislation. The bill is currently on third reading in the House which means its on the cusp of passage. We expect it will have an uphill fight in the Senate – but this is a bill that our members would like very much.
But guess what? It will work because too many officers are looking out for number one only. Too few of us will stick together. Sure we blame J-Fed, Mayor Daley, the Aldercreatures, etc...
But if we stuck together and did what was in our best long term interest then the city would not be able to get away with all of this nonsense.
When I go to court, I will tell the judge and jury, Yes, sir! It is true we are forced to use quotas again but under a different name!
Yes, we a forced to have a certain amount of activity to justify everything per the Order sign off by the brass!
Can't lie either because I'll be under oath to tell the truth!
Every case in this county will then become useless bags of shit, thrown out of court and a loser to the city in terms of lawsuits for violation of civil rights!
I guess J-Fed didn't learn that while being a U.S. Federal Agent!
Inside Do Nothing said...
Sorry Westside Inside, this one is coming. I work at 35th Street and this upcoming disaster is brought to you courtesy of Steve Georgas and Daniel Dugan! They've been tweaking it for months now and word is it's ready to roll. Strap in!
3/22/2010 05:37:00 AM
I am grateful for Steve Georgas and his guidance. It is a shame that quotas must be established to make officers work. You are paid to work and secondary employment is a benefit that must be earned. Georgas has only the best interest of the working officers in mind with his new program. Georgas is a future boss and we need his leadership.
Just boycott special employment for 6 months and see how fast that policy changes. Oh wait, I forgot. We can't get three coppers to agree on lunch let alone make a real difference. Our SCABS from within would cross that line in a heartbeat for the extra buck. Lets just do what we have been doing for as long as I have been on this job... BEND OVER!!!
sorry but your right.. my family and making that extra buck for my family comes first.. not for you to prove a point so you can continue to not do anywork and have special...sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. making money for my family is definatly more important than you and your motivation to do no work... why dont you take your family into consideration and do some work.. not hard charging crap that will get you jammed up but maybe a simple arrest that can be done on signed complaints.. a legit mcc you onview like dude drinking and inventory the bottle and sample to cover your ass... or just write a few legit parkers and movers??? I thought so, laziness. We dont care where youve worked.. or what youve done or what youve seen. You get paid. do your job you are owed nothing. What next?? gonna bitch how you never got that sgt promotion and some clout hack did. pathetic. do your job on the LEGIT and you have nothing to worry about. dont lie, dont beat people and dont steal and you will sleep great at night, not get into shit, and maybe make some money for your family working special..and dont forget, youll get a little pride from a hard days work and a smile. god i love this job!!
just grieve it.pay close attention to all the silly/behind the scene actions. furough and watch switches after the bids.beware of the ''new'' police! never did anything..but demand everything.tired/lazy/burned out after 3 years on. super bullshitters.
If the people who are preparing these quotas are so sure they will work, will they accompany the PO who ends up in Federal Court because of them? I think not.
Wake me when its tome to go home. 19P
It's sad the department has so many do nothings that this is even an idea. This wouldn't be a problem in the private sector, they would just can all the dogs.
I'll do contact cards all fuckin' day.
The administration has been using "poor job performance" and "lack of self initiated activity" as a reason to revoke secondary employment for a couple years now. And OF COURSE, it isnt imposed fairly across the board.......
Cicero PD
Have them put it in writing. And make copies. Carry one in ur vest. Tell the person u write the ticket to the truth.
georgas is has been a micro managing jack ass for years; he keeps trying to fix shit that ain't broken; such as 018; it was not broken before him; even when that dick head joe griffin ran it;nor when goof but nice guy ettore devito ran it
Anonymous said...
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
3/22/2010 12:22:00 AM
Tough shit.
It's called seniority and this dog has it and you do not. Get some and you'll understand how an old dog with seniority feels. Until then, go fuck yourself.
Time for "quota stops" and be sure to state to whomever you stop that you are only doing it to meet an arbitrary quota imposed upon you by the Chicago Police Department.
A few Federal lawsuits ought to calm that moron Steve Georges down a bit.
Come on now with that next bright idea, I'm ready and waiting. Let 'er rip.
How about this one for a novel ground breaking idea: Good leadership able to treat employees fairly and inspire officers through inspired leadership.
And put an end to clout and nepotism.
Quotas indeed, what a crew of fucking idiots there are running this police department!
PLEASE TELL ME EVENT NUMBERS COUNT...
What if I dont ride those stinking buses?
Pam Zekman is gonna love this. She's been asking me about quotas for years. I kept telling her there weren't any, but she kept asking. Now here you go Pam! You GO GIRL!!!!!!
OT
Arbitration award gives cops 4.5% raise
New Haven Register, Conn.
Mar. 22--WEST HAVEN -- After failed negotiations and weeks of waiting, the arbitration award for the police contract and pension has arrived.
M a y o r J o h n M . P i c a r d announced the award at a meeting last week when he presented his proposed budget for next year.
As a result of the arbitration award, police officers will get a 2 percent raise in July, after getting no raise in 2008 and 2009. They will get a 2.5 percent raise in July 2011.
According to arbitration briefs filed months ago, the union had sought a 6.5 percent raise over four years, while the city pushed for a 3.5 percent increase. The final award was 4.5 percent.
The biggest change to come out of the arbitration process is that new police hires will have a 401(k) retirement plan instead of the existing pension plans. All current employees will remain in the existing plan.
Picard on Thursday said the existing pension plan simply costs too much and the city cannot afford it much longer.
"The pensions are not sustainable," he said.
What's the word with Trahanas? Or Cuello for that matter? What about Wedster? Anyone hear what's going on with her? Rick Flair? Hows that gym sale?
Lets all do our best to keep these things on the front burner, not the back.
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This is the kind of crap that takes our minds off contracts; quotas and other police matters that pertain to US!!! You got a hard-on for bosses let out some steam and then get over it. These people are NOT the enemy...or at least to MOST OF THE FREAKING DEPT. Make one wonder how many tests that you failed that you STUDIED YOUR ASS OFF FOR (as every dumb jackoff always claims)
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
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Hey Asswipe get some time on the job and you will become a dog too. Look in the mirror and tell yourself how grateful the citizen, politician and media are of you in this fair city. Take a look at all the stooges running this department and run right out and give them the quotas they want and than ask them for a raise or time off for the family. Above all make sure you thank them for allowing you to go 99 to prove to them that you are the real police. Yes sir we need more Asswipes like you, than I can become a bigger dog. Oh by the way QUOTAS are illegal accept when your j-pud
Ooops!!!! the Brainchildren just made a giant brain poop!
... and another thing. Do these rat fuck revenue,ass pants, corn row ,hoodie, bangers have quotas?If they do have quotas then their tickets are very suspect because they are the scum of Chicago.
Really? How many movers, parkers, contact cards & arrests do the rats at 35th & Michigan get?! FOP, where are you??!!
3/22/2010 08:14:00 AM --as always, FOP is letting the " company " walk all over em. Syd Davis and Kathie Moore still are lockjawed over the many phone calls about the behaviorial program guys that been calling. " I'll get back to you sweetie ". It's been 2 years lady.
how about this-- anyone promomted to sgt should have 100 part one felony pinches which you are in box 1 on the arrest report--- yes, real police officers being promoted, not the bosses daughter, not the alderman's neighbor, not the deputy's driver
i agree... but it should be box one or two.. obviously assisting doesnt count.. i mean come on, me and my partner just alternate box one and two to alternate and keep court fair... doesnt mean hes got more box one felony arrests then me! very good idea though.. i wonder how many sgts and above would be excluded from this.. i can name over a dozen people in a white shirt who dont have over 100 felony arrests(box one or two).. its pretty pathetic who is leading us.
A JAGOFF said:
"If you are that hard up and a loser that you have to work special to make ends meet, then you my friend have a fucking problem"...
Written by a ball-pouch that still lives in his Mom & Dad's basement, doesn't currently or has ever had a girlfriend, drives a 1984 Granada and drinks Old Milwaukee 30-packs...but only when it's on sale for $8.99 a case.
I hope you're saving a ton of money, own many properties, have killer investments and max-out in deferred comp and other investment vehicles.
I also hope you drop dead the day you retire, never to collect a penny of your pension and/or Social Security (assuming either are still solvent). I also hope you didn't have the foresight to designate beneficiaries so that the State (read: ghetto dwellers) get every dollar that you scrimped and saved over your career.
And, hey...that Old Milwaukee's getting warm in that cooler that's run out of ice. You know, that cooler in the corner of your makeshift bedroom in the basement of Mommy's house. Go ask your Mom if you can throw a few cans of suds next to her Activia yogurt in the fridge upstairs; she's around the corner in the laundry room washing your shit and jizz-stained underwear and socks.
Did anyone see the new special enjoyment, time 1/2 and the required class before you can sign up?
Transit Orientated Screening of Passengers by Observational Techniques
Great job jody... U useless sorry excuse for a man. Never put our Uniform on again. You do not respect it and YOU DID NOT EARN IT!!!!
Hey Bosses I know that you are all powerful & wise, but how are we going to write all those parkers/movers/anovs & contact cards, when we are getting rd numbers for 0110's & guarding crime scenes?
Go look that one up boy wonder bosses.
I'm just asking, that's all. Thank you for all of your management skills, wisdom and insight. NOW GO HIDE IN YOUR OFFICE!
HB 6035 – Makes it unlawful to impose ticket quotas on officers is getting a lot of attention around the State as many departments are opposed to this legislation. The bill is currently on third reading in the House which means its on the cusp of passage.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
3/22/2010 12:37:00 AM
Don;t you get enough overtime? You are making D2a as well. Get over it.
3/22/2010 11:28:00 AM
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And It's comments like that the Higher-ups who propose stuff like this love to see. All of us under the rank of Sgt are in the Same union covered under the same contract. D1, D2, D2A, D3, whatever. And no, OT is not unlimited in the areas contrary to popular belief.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Did anyone see the new special enjoyment, time 1/2 and the required class before you can sign up?
Transit Orientated Screening of Passengers by Observational Techniques
3/22/2010 06:38:00 PM
9161 only.
Her watch commander must be tiring of her going to him all the time. Capt, I need this. Capt, I wrote this and that. Capt, can I make my own hours? Capt, don't put her with me anymore. Capt, let me thank you by getting caught screwing up.
3/22/2010 03:17:00 AM
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I got news for you. People whining to the watch commander for stuff is nothing new although lately it's become an epidemic.
Qoutas worked at SOS, the commander got promoted.
Many years ago ,I am sad to admit,I was one of the 2 year wonders complaining about the"DOGS".A wise old "dog" overheard me bitchin one day and said, one day you will understand,we used to be like you and some day you will be like us.Truer words were never spoken.
ATTENTION FOP: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! LET'S ROLL!
Not to take anything from you ,1:01, but desk people always got the highest efficiency ratings.When I was a young Tact guy running and gunning on the Wild West side , doing Warrants , getting Lawsuits, one shooting, ETC, the guy handing out radios got a better efficiency than I did. That told me that he handed out radios better than I made Felony Arrests.{ Not to boast, over 1800 in 8 years).They were and always be a way to control coppers and pave the way for a select few to make rank. Now at my time on the Job(24yrs) they can stick it in their ass. I arrest who I feel should go to jail. There is a grey area in Law Enforcement not just black & white and if other Police know where I'm coming from please respond affirmitively.
You are paid to work and secondary employment is a benefit that must be earned.
Define work... I answer my calls and give good police service. I have disengaged from this job because of how dirty this city and state is. I bet you have a cush spot and have since you took the job.
Do not make any arrest just to generate numbers. Every arrest you make you sign the arrest report attesting to facts and probable cause of the case. Do not put yourself in a position where you could lose your house/job/freedom just to get to bite a bone the department throws you.
Some smart guy said..."If you are that hard up and a loser that you have to work special to make ends meet, then you my friend have a fucking problem"...
Some p.o.s that can't take his uniform off said...Written by a ball-pouch that still lives in his Mom & Dad's basement, doesn't currently or has ever had a girlfriend, drives a 1984 Granada and drinks Old Milwaukee 30-packs...but only when it's on sale for $8.99 a case. blah blah..
Then the smart guy rebutted...Wrong, jag-mo. I aint got 20 but close,got plenty of funds, and I ain't got no blood sucking hillbilly kids either to support. I bet your on your 30th plus pathetic loser year cause you are your whole family's tit. They will work you to death and squander your bread you dope after you are a cold hillbilly piece of meat in your polyester suit. You ain't got a pot to piss in if you got to work that special shit.Take your uniform off because you are a stinking embarrassment. Live a little before you croak you drunk hammeroid.
Just sayin.
Another company slug said...
my family and making that extra buck for my family comes first.. not for you to prove a point so you can continue to not do anywork and have special...sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. making money for my family is definatly more important than you..blah blah
A real cop said... GFY, drink the cool aid and get jammed up you broke dick loser. Your bullshit wife and kids will bail while you sit at the police board you chump. Keep working for J-Prick you ass wipe. FREE COZZI and FUCK YOU.
"I am grateful for Steve Georgas and his guidance. It is a shame that quotas must be established to make officers work. You are paid to work and secondary employment is a benefit that must be earned. Georgas has only the best interest of the working officers in mind with his new program. Georgas is a future boss and we need his leadership."
If he sees me kissing enough ass, he will invite me to his secret study group for Lt's so I can be first on the list "legit", just like uncle Jimmy did for Stevie boy and CK. That way I will have the respect of my peers just like Stevie has.
Outside this clout ridden department, this clown is Mcd's overnight shift supervisor at best.
To the person so grateful of Steve Georgas guidance;PROBABLY his secretary, What the hell has he done that is for the working copper? Please give exact details.
looks like all the ot will be filled with 016th district guys.Theyre set til 2013 thats why thats all they do ,inside tip.They must of heard that a felony arrest takes away points,damn and we thought they just sucked
I'll do contact cards all fuckin' day.
3/22/2010 03:30:00 PM
A wise sgt. once said a contact card is just documentation of a cr#. You're still doing activity moron.
01:44:00 PM
JFED's Mother?
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAH!
Oh shit, that's funny!
we hoist a celebratory double of a VERY small batch cask strength sippin' bourbon (jack d. & jim b. is only for those who don't know any better ;^) in salute of the funny of the day.
"If ya gonna shoot, then shoot... don't talk!"
-Tuco- "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly"
woo-ooo-woo-ooo-woooooo-wah wah waaahhh!
stay safe & watch those hands!
absolutely hate working with someone who smokes. It sucks. There's no reason that someone who doesn't smoke should have to deal with inhaling that shit. Even if they hold it out the window or smoke it in the car while you're at lunch or whatever you still get stuck smelling that shit. I'm all for the ordinance and you selfish people that don't take your partners feelings into consideration can go F yourselves.
3/22/2010 11:26:00 AM
Dude! Relax and have a Camel.
come on Officers we have always had quotas but under different names...... Now its Performace or activity....What are missions, bring in some parkers, movers
Simple Divide and Conquer...Young against the Old...Wake up eveybody
All you cry babbies need to grow-up you need to earn your time. f--k the bullsh-t about numbers!! If u got time on the job than you get the rewards (OT)
Boy did Dugan really turn into an asshole. Worked for him in the past and all though he was very anal, the stuff im reading about him lately makes me think he might be turning into one of those old senile Irish bosses. Anyone who has been on the job for the last twenty years knows exactly what im talking about!
FYI
HB 6035 – Which makes it unlawful to impose ticket quotas on officers is getting a lot of attention around the State as many Chiefs are opposed to this legislation. The bill is currently on third reading in the House which means its on the cusp of passage. We expect it will have an uphill fight in the Senate – but this is a bill that our members would like very much.
RIGHT ON, DUDE...Daley must be shaking in his boots! (he will find a loophole, so it only is upheld in Chicago)
sorry but your right.. my family and making that extra buck for my family comes first.. not for you to prove a point so you can continue to not do anywork and have special...sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. making money for my family is definatly more important than you and your motivation to do no work... why dont you take your family into consideration and do some work.. not hard charging crap that will get you jammed up but maybe a simple arrest that can be done on signed complaints.. a legit mcc you onview like dude drinking and inventory the bottle and sample to cover your ass... or just write a few legit parkers and movers??? I thought so, laziness. We dont care where youve worked.. or what youve done or what youve seen. You get paid. do your job you are owed nothing. What next?? gonna bitch how you never got that sgt promotion and some clout hack did. pathetic. do your job on the LEGIT and you have nothing to worry about. dont lie, dont beat people and dont steal and you will sleep great at night, not get into shit, and maybe make some money for your family working special..and dont forget, youll get a little pride from a hard days work and a smile. god i love this job!!
3/22/2010 02:57:00 PM
WORDS OF WISDOM, SPOKEN BY A PERSON WHO HAS NOT YET BEEN SUED FOR JUST DOING THE RIGHT THING!!!
They just dont understand: "A happy worker= A productive worker"- So simple even a simple minded stuttering short idiot can understand it...(oops, spoke too soon!)
Anonymous said...
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
3/22/2010 12:22:00 AM
Same here, I know it's not much time but I got (6) years on and I use to get CTA but now now I can't even get that...
3/22/2010 12:54:00 PM
Do you two still live with your mothers?
Go wash the gel out your hair, take off those silly black gloves and learn how to be the police!
Seniority is the only perk we have. Stick around and get some! Perhaps we should let you two cry babies have our 13B furloughs too? Oh and we will work midnights for you too!
Most of us worked our asses off for many years while you were still riding the yellow bird school bus picking your boogers and wiping them under the seat.
Now we have seniority and are paying tuition and many other things with that special employment. We earned it. We don't live with Mommy like you do.
If it were not for the "Dogs" you speak of, you would be still working rotating shifts and getting no overtime at all! You would get NOTHING!, no "bidding" for vacation etc. but with 6 years on the job you have no idea what I am talking about.
Now go let Mom change your diaper, get your teddy bear and go nappy poo.
SUA SPONTE
I am grateful for Steve Georgas and his guidance. It is a shame that quotas must be established to make officers work. You are paid to work and secondary employment is a benefit that must be earned. Georgas has only the best interest of the working officers in mind with his new program. Georgas is a future boss and we need his leadership.
3/22/2010 02:53:00 PM
hey steve thanks for chiming in but when a good deal of coppers on this job start work they are 5-10 jobs stacked and that continues all night. how are we supposed to getting all these numbers for these quotas when we are chasing jobs all night.
"is it wrong to wish for extreme suffering and hardship on the little motherfucker?"
Uhh............no
"On the L.A.P.D., officers often do not stay to full retirement. Many leave after 7-8 or 10 years. This saves that city untold millions in pension and medical costs and having non-productive officers on the payroll."
California officers pay into a state pension fund, so their pension is covered by the state (for however long California has any money)
What happens out there is that the PO's get hired away by other towns. If you can do 7-8 years in LAPD without getting jammed up you must have a solid head on your shoulders. Go to nice small town and police a more civilized populace.
to 03-22-2010
at 11:31:00
Dear Sir(Mam),
You are on to something, something you may not even know of, but something...
this insane mayoral piece of the stinkiest trash would much rather have a "National Police Force" in order...just as Barry would - take that to the bank, this fat-as* mayor wants this Dept., the once proud C.P.D., to be, like you said, L.A.P.D. - style... around 4,000 strong...trade your 'blues' for a government-wide black/white uni and squad car...
scary sh+@ ? yes
don't worry, this is an idea that has been on this socialists agenda for awhile, no new suprise here...just for the idiots that elected him...
Could be worse, every Schaumberg and Hoffman Estates officer has to bring in one DUI a month. Even if they work days.
You can see them staking out Hooters, Chevy's, et al around lunchtime trying to catch somebody coming back from a 3 martini sales lunch.
We don't have squat expected from us compared to suburban departments.
This is great! The people who work Safe City write parkers all night and hide in the car...get some people out there who still want to do police work
"...if you dont like it go back to your desk spot and lie to ladies about what you do for a living."
I lie to everyone about what I do. I used to be proud, but thanks to what these idiots have done to the department, no more. My mother thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse.
Quotas? Keep track of how many jobs you take & case reports you make. Make THEM show you the average activity of the average CHICAGO patrol officer.
"Sometimes 'WE' lose perspective on the reality that everyone else faces. How can an officer ride the CTA for a tour of duty and NOT find someone deserving an ANOV or arrest? The police department employs police to perform services.
The mindset of entitlement is the same mentality that feeds the ghetto and politicians. Expecting officers working VSEP to do police work should not be that difficult."
Officer, it's not a mindset of entitlement. It's the fact that the department won't back us up, that the bosses have abandoned us and that no one cares enough about us to settle a contract without years of protracted bullshit always ending in arbitration.
It's Tricky Dick Daley crying poor when he seems to have unlimited funding for things like the Olympics.
It's J-Fed talking about there not being anything more detrimental to morale than promotions based on who you know rather than what you know, then turning around and promoting the clouted.
Yes, there are some coppers out there that are just lazy, but they're in the minority. Think of the people you work with; most are hard workers, but even an animal can only be beaten for so long.
3:17am I don't think that's exactly what happened, there's a lot more to that story that you are not privy to. Yes they have been friends for a long time so stop starting shit
All PDs have arrest and ticket quotas.Others make you do citizen and business contacts as well.Looks like CPD will be joining the Chiefs Challenge.
This is all part of Failed Model Approach that PDs now embrace.
Anonymous said...
Did anyone see the new special enjoyment, time 1/2 and the required class before you can sign up?
Transit Orientated Screening of Passengers by Observational Techniques
3/22/2010 06:38:00 PM
Profiling. Not in this city, not on this department. No no no.
Anonymous said...
A parolee who was arrested for the 224th time was charged with two misdemeanors after being found with the empty bottle of $9 vodka he allegedly stole from a CVS on the Near North Side Saturday morning.
Jerome Cosey, 48, of the 1600 block of West LeMoyne Avenue, was charged with retail theft and criminal trespass both of which are misdemeanors, according to police. Cosey was arrested at 9:45 a.m. at the CVS at 1165 N. Clark St. after allegedly taking a bottle of 750 ml bottle of Wolfschmidt Vodka without paying for it, marking his 224th arrest, police said.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2115718,parolee-charged-for-stealing-vodka-032210.article
3/22/2010 02:13:00 PM
If he ever had a conviction for Retail Theft that shoplifting should have been upgraded to a felony. I've sent scumbags like that to prison on felony Retail Theft. Just take the time to do the paperwork and deal with the felony review. It doesn't happen by itself. And make sure the reports are done correctly and get the witnesses to come to court.
It's nice to see the surprise on their faces when they get nailed on that Retail Theft felony charge, even better upon conviction. Do your homework and smile when they go away on the bus ride to IDOC.
--- an old dog
Anonymous said...
It's not so bad. Just be creative. If you have kids, there are your school absentees and curfews. Use your nieces and nephews if you have too. Find an abandoned vehicle and write it a parker. No one will be paying the fines so you won't be hurting an real citizen and the mayor won't get any money. For a mover, look out for Carlos Escobar. He has risen from the dead and is driving without a license. After he signs his Ibond, see if he shows up to court.
For real tix, write them for compliance items, tell them to bring proof that they fixed the stuff and the ticket gets dismissed. Everyone is happy! CAPS in action.
Give them what they want.
You've given them something to count and done some type of enforcement activity. They can't say you're not working. And no one is complaining.
3/22/2010 12:20:00 PM
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Seriously, put this in the running for DUMBEST POST OF THE YEAR.
Go back to your granny's basement you dumb, stupid, clueless ASSHAT. And this guy is a copper??? We're in real trouble.
Do not make any arrest just to generate numbers. Every arrest you make you sign the arrest report attesting to facts and probable cause of the case. Do not put yourself in a position where you could lose your house/job/freedom just to get to bite a bone the department throws you.
God you guys are cowards.. guess what. over a million police officers nation wide sign police reports everyday attesting to the facts. If you do your job correctly and do it right then you have nothing to worry about. Sure, you can still get sued for doing the job by the book but I will take that lawsuit any day of the week...as I have done in the past. Ive been sued over ten times in my career. You know how much ive lost personally?? ZERO! Ive been sued for making legit pinches that have gone wrong ways with juries and they have been writen up exactly the way it happened. 8 cases were all knocked out by summary judgements, one victory in federal trial and 3 settled out of court. Each and every one of those cases has meant nothing but big overtime. Enough of this "your gonna lose your house" junk.. if you knew the laws and rules in the first place you would never say that.. they cant take your house or your vehicle. The only people that have been hit punitivly in this department for big bucks are people who got a little too creative for that great part one and it backfired... I dont take this job that personally. I could care less if some a-hole living in 011 and on parole really gets hooked up with another case. I look out for my fellow coppers and for my family. Make your legit arrests and do some legit work and you will be fine. if you get a lawsuit for being 100% legit it makes it a million times easier to deal with.. stop worrying about lawsuits so much people!! they are commonplace and are just another aspect of the job.
A real cop said... GFY, drink the cool aid and get jammed up you broke dick loser. Your bullshit wife and kids will bail while you sit at the police board you chump. Keep working for J-Prick you ass wipe. FREE COZZI and FUCK YOU.
hahaha.. I guess the truth hurts huh?? What a spirited and angry response you gave. dont be mad because you dont do anything and now you cant just brag to everyone how you dont do anything and get all this special and still get the same check as the hard chargers on the first and sixteenth.. hahahaha, dont be mad because you being a dog has blown up in your face.. be a good sport pal.. your a dog and now its actually gonna effect your job, your money and your family.. now go sign out a parker book, a mover book and lock someone up...pal!
Baby "G" said...
Sometimes "WE" lose perspective on the reality that everyone else faces. How can an officer ride the CTA for a tour of duty and NOT find someone deserving an ANOV or arrest? The police department employs police to perform services.
The mindset of entitlement is the same mentality that feeds the ghetto and politicians. Expecting officers working VSEP to do police work should not be that difficult.
Excuse me officer or supervisor!
Not everyone in Chicago is doing something wrong.
If you or your bosses believe that in a tour of duty on video recorded transit that you should find someone deserving an ANOV or arrest then let us start with you. Let’s start the investigating with your family or bosses family as you or your bosses must have been raised with that thinking!
Please name yourself or your boss that has instituted this belief as I don’t believe our fellow Chicagoans or I believe we should be paying for you to continue your employment as a Chicago police officer with those beliefs. Every transit carrier or individuals walking down the street should not have to deal with that thinking that you should always find someone deserving an ANOV or arrest. Please name yourself or your boss that has instituted this belief.
"hahaha.. I guess the truth hurts huh?? What a spirited and angry response you gave. dont be mad because you dont do anything and now you cant just brag to everyone how you dont do anything and get all this special and still get the same check as the hard chargers on the first and sixteenth.. hahahaha, dont be mad because you being a dog has blown up in your face.. be a good sport pal.. your a dog and now its actually gonna effect your job, your money and your family.. now go sign out a parker book, a mover book and lock someone up...pal!
3/23/2010 03:11:00 AM"
does your mother approve of you using this kind of language, young lady?
"Seriously, put this in the running for DUMBEST POST OF THE YEAR.
Go back to your granny's basement you dumb, stupid, clueless ASSHAT. And this guy is a copper??? We're in real trouble.
3/23/2010 01:48:00 AM"
why, because it encourages ample activity and generates zero revenue?
FOP, where are you??!!
on a long Furlough since 2007
Anonymous said...
This is great! The people who work Safe City write parkers all night and hide in the car...get some people out there who still want to do police work
3/23/2010 12:31:00 AM
Go ahead, keep doing police work. Tell Bill Cozzi hello. Some people still don't get it. It's NOT about being a dog. Federal suits are no fun. Being a target of your own dept. should tell you the temp outside. Sheesh.
Do you two still live with your mothers?
Go wash the gel out your hair, take off those silly black gloves and learn how to be the police!
Seniority is the only perk we have. Stick around and get some! Perhaps we should let you two cry babies have our 13B furloughs too? Oh and we will work midnights for you too!
Most of us worked our asses off for many years while you were still riding the yellow bird school bus picking your boogers and wiping them under the seat.
Now we have seniority and are paying tuition and many other things with that special employment. We earned it. We don't live with Mommy like you do.
If it were not for the "Dogs" you speak of, you would be still working rotating shifts and getting no overtime at all! You would get NOTHING!, no "bidding" for vacation etc. but with 6 years on the job you have no idea what I am talking about.
Now go let Mom change your diaper, get your teddy bear and go nappy poo.
SUA SPONTE
3/22/2010 11:46:00 PM
Sorry, don't still live with mommy. I may only have 6 years on, but I still have kids and a family just like you.
Are you that much of a jerk off?
SUA SPONTE!
OR
JERK OFF!
The job ended when they started these ANOVs! This is not police work! ANOVs are revenue generating directed at regular citizens who will pay these petty harassment tickets! Most violaters who don't carry ID (homeless) usually will get a contact card so If we were to exercise discretion instead of "I have to" get 5 ANOVs a day (CD personnel) the numbers would be cut in half! It is turning all of us into "pimps!"
bottom line: Corky Wiesel and his crew gotta go!
you want me to work even harder so that i "get" to work on my day off
for straight time? no thanks
still do all my shopping in kane and lake county enjoy charging the poeple of chicago 10.25% sales tax
To that new centurion who has a family to feed...we all have mouths to feed.
You just dont get what solidarity means do you.
Its because officers once stuck together that we have the contract we have now.
This must be your first job, having worked in the trades as a union man we went on strike, as a son of a union man whose father went on strike and grandfather also I say that is the only way to get heard.
I saw they named a street after you, ONE WAY.
Not to take anything from you ,1:01, but desk people always got the highest efficiency ratings.When I was a young Tact guy running and gunning on the Wild West side , doing Warrants , getting Lawsuits, one shooting, ETC, the guy handing out radios got a better efficiency than I did. That told me that he handed out radios better than I made Felony Arrests.{ Not to boast, over 1800 in 8 years).
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The first part of your post was funny. But after reading about your heroic arrest #'s I had to go the the basement and dig up my abacus.
Let's see you made 225 felony arrests EACH YEAR. We worked 20 days out of each of the 13 periods so that's 260 days, minus 25 days furlo ...
So you made 225 felony arrests in about 245 working days, each year, for 8 consecutive years.
You paper jumping bandit you.
At least the radio guy had some fucking integrity.
"We don't have squat expected from us compared to suburban departments."
Apples & oranges. Most suburband departments don't have near comparable levels of the violent crime that we do. Most suburbs aren't as big as 008 or 025, and even if they are geographically, they don't have the same population levels.
Not to get this rant started, but the towns you mentioned have better equipment, no miles and miles of urban blight and they don't have Shortshanks as a mayor.
Perhaps with our "sharing the wealth" by closing down the projects and pushing these folks out to the 'burbs, they won't have that kind of time on their hands for long. The "drive-by" in Schaumburg as an example.
I worked for a suburb before coming to CPD. Yes, the grass is always greener, but I never regret leaving that 'burb to come here.
I am grateful for Steve Georgas and his guidance. It is a shame that quotas must be established to make officers work. You are paid to work and secondary employment is a benefit that must be earned. Georgas has only the best interest of the working officers in mind with his new program. Georgas is a future boss and we need his leadership.
3/22/2010 02:53:00 PM
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This is the same asshole who ran 018 like his own business.
Please this guy was NEVER THE POLICE and when he did show up to a scene.....for example the one in the greens where the van incident was captured on blurry tape, well did this clown get any time sine he was acting C/O on scene.....OF COURSE NOT....some poor BLUESHIRT was subsequently charged with AGG BATT and stripped.....only to be found NOT GUILTY and returned to work now in 013 last i checked with NO back pay. SOME LEADER this guy pretends to be.....
sorry but your right.. my family and making that extra buck for my family comes first.. not for you to prove a point so you can continue to not do anywork and have special...sorry, but you cant have your cake and eat it too. making money for my family is definatly more important than you and your motivation to do no work... why dont you take your family into consideration and do some work.. not hard charging crap that will get you jammed up but maybe a simple arrest that can be done on signed complaints.. a legit mcc you onview like dude drinking and inventory the bottle and sample to cover your ass... or just write a few legit parkers and movers??? I thought so, laziness. We dont care where youve worked.. or what youve done or what youve seen. You get paid. do your job you are owed nothing. What next?? gonna bitch how you never got that sgt promotion and some clout hack did. pathetic. do your job on the LEGIT and you have nothing to worry about. dont lie, dont beat people and dont steal and you will sleep great at night, not get into shit, and maybe make some money for your family working special..and dont forget, youll get a little pride from a hard days work and a smile. god i love this job!!
3/22/2010 02:57:00 PM
Arrest someone for an MCC violation or on signed complaints???? Wow you sir have it all figured out.....
How is it that crime is rising and you find it in your day to go lock up the drinkers but leave the young problematic gangbangers alone? Your stats must be out of this world...
amazing...maybe ill write a few LEGIT parkers and movers...i believe you are hinting that most of us DO NOT write LEGIT anything?
you also state not to get "into any shit" well im sorry but sometimes shit finds you. Get off your soapbox and stop telling us how it is...if you think being the poice is writing some parkers, movers, and locking up a drinker than you should work in MAYBERRY with BARNEY and AUNT BEA (sorry not the CPD bartender)......I dont fault anyone out here for not doing anything.....shit happens and we all know what happened to COZZI......sorry but being the police can be ugly sometimes.
You know who cares about the stuff you typed....your checkoff SGT.
Signed
Zero's across the board
OT:
A Milwaukee police sergeant has been suspended 20 days without pay for sending a text message to other supervisors urging them to tell officers to stop making traffic stops until problems with the department's new digital radio system are addressed, according to police documents.
Sgt. Willie O. Murphy is scheduled to begin serving his suspension April 15, according to a police department personnel order.
Murphy sent the text message to 33 other supervisors Sept. 23, according to a complaint filed against him. Murphy was off-duty and used his personal cell phone to send the text message, the complaint says.
Murphy sent the message "in an attempt to initiate a protest related to the slow transition to the digital radio system" and wanted to "force the administration to immediately address concerns related to the radios and officers' safety," the complaint says.
Murphy is assigned to the department's Communications Division, a police spokeswoman said.
The radio system, known as OpenSky, has cost about $17.5 million since 2003 and became fully operational last month. It was initially expected to cost about $14.9 million and be operational by May 2005, according to city officials.
The digital system has been plagued with problems from the start, including dead spots and faulty equipment, police officers and city officials have said.
Murphy's actions were "contrary to the public interest of protecting our community," Police Chief Edward A. Flynn said in a statement.
"A supervisor who counsels co-workers to organize an illegal work stoppage is acting against the public interest and seriously jeopardizes public safety," Flynn said. "This is not a case of a 'whistleblower.'"
Milwaukee police began the switch from an analog radio system to the digital system in 2003 in an effort to comply with modified federal regulations regarding radio communications that take effect in 2013.
The regulations do not require law enforcement agencies to use a digital system, but many agencies are switching from analog as digital radio technology develops.
A Milwaukee Common Council committee on Friday recommended the borrowing of nearly $1 million for the new radio system but required that police officials provide an update on the system before spending the money.
The city originally authorized the borrowing of the $952,000 for the radio system in 2005, but the council must reauthorize the borrowing because the money has not been spent. The money backed by the council's Finance and Personnel Committee on Friday already was included in the $17.5 million total.
News of Murphy's suspension was first reported Tuesday by WTMJ-AM (620).
Do you two still live with your mothers?
Go wash the gel out your hair, take off those silly black gloves and learn how to be the police!
Seniority is the only perk we have. Stick around and get some! Perhaps we should let you two cry babies have our 13B furloughs too? Oh and we will work midnights for you too!
Most of us worked our asses off for many years while you were still riding the yellow bird school bus picking your boogers and wiping them under the seat.
Now we have seniority and are paying tuition and many other things with that special employment. We earned it. We don't live with Mommy like you do.
If it were not for the "Dogs" you speak of, you would be still working rotating shifts and getting no overtime at all! You would get NOTHING!, no "bidding" for vacation etc. but with 6 years on the job you have no idea what I am talking about.
Now go let Mom change your diaper, get your teddy bear and go nappy poo.
SUA SPONTE
3/22/2010 11:46:00 PM
How much time yo got on the job? Forget it. I don't give a fuck. I don't want your furlough or your watch. Just because your bust out kid is still at home don't assume I am too. The only person crying is you pussy. I can't wait until they enact this shit. You'll be forced to hangout with your fat pig wife and your slack jawed kids on your RDO's. That sucks for you guy. Hey why don't you show me how to be the real police so you can get some CTA? Oh thats right you were always a pussy, you don't know how.
Before you say anything: I don't live with my mother. I haven't since I was 18. I have my own house and a nice car. I afford all of it without working special. Now that I can get some special I take that European vacation I've dreamed of. While Im getting head in gondola in Venice your gonna be pulling what's left of your hair out trying to pay for your cable TV. I guess it wasn't a good idea to pull out all of your equity and remodel your shitty house. You really thought somebody was gonna pay $600,000 for that shit pit you live in?? H A H a hahahaha.
PS That Oedipus thing you got going on is freaky.
Remember this when they want to change your hours and work for straight time on the 3rd of July!!!
I think it's good. All these Dogs with a lot of time on the job are taking all the CTA & CHA that I use to get prior to about 6 months ago.
__They cut the spots down dumb ass. It's cold outside and they don't need as many people as they do in the summer. The amount of people they need will soon increase. Not all people with time on the job are dogs and not all newbies are hair gel police. Maybe you should see the blue shirt and nothing more.
You know, I have to give all the hair gels on this job a tip of the hat. They must of discovered the secret of preventing job burn out.
I mean why else would they be advocating what is essentially the abolishment of the seniority system? It sounds that they know for a fact that after putting over 20 years on this job, they will still be running and gunning and bringing those numbers in.
They are so sure that after all that time their attitude will be the same as it was on that first day in the academy. They don't think ( or care ) about CR#'s or being named in lawsuits because they are the real police and all that matters is getting that arrest!
But in reality, they won't last. Most police officers suffer from some type of burn out at one point in their career. Oh, it's not dramatic enough to leave the job, but usually slowly over comes them. So slow that they don't even know it has happened to them. Before they know it, their war stories will consist of nothing but past occurrences and one day they will wake up to the fact that they are old and not in the prime condition they once were.
This wake up call will come in the form of younger officers getting the special employment that they themselves once worked, with regularity, because the younger officers NUMBERS are much higher than theirs. And suddenly it will hit them that they mean nothing to the department. There are much younger officers on now, eager to bring in those numbers so THEY can get that special employment check.
And all the hair gels from yesteryear will yell, they will scream and they will cry that IT"S NOT FAIR! I PUT IN ALL THOSE YEARS OF PRODUCING AND THIS IS HOW I AM REWARDED?
Anonymous said...
"Seriously, put this in the running for DUMBEST POST OF THE YEAR.
Go back to your granny's basement you dumb, stupid, clueless ASSHAT. And this guy is a copper??? We're in real trouble.
3/23/2010 01:48:00 AM"
why, because it encourages ample activity and generates zero revenue?
3/23/2010 05:22:00 AM
Yeah, try and cover your ass after putting your own family on curfews. You think that shit is not traceable? Bye bye job, pension, hello welfare line. That is an official report dummy! Christ almighty, another ASSHAT!
Anonymous said...
Do you two still live with your mothers?
Go wash the gel out your hair, take off those silly black gloves and learn how to be the police!
Seniority is the only perk we have. Stick around and get some! Perhaps we should let you two cry babies have our 13B furloughs too? Oh and we will work midnights for you too!
Most of us worked our asses off for many years while you were still riding the yellow bird school bus picking your boogers and wiping them under the seat.
Now we have seniority and are paying tuition and many other things with that special employment. We earned it. We don't live with Mommy like you do.
If it were not for the "Dogs" you speak of, you would be still working rotating shifts and getting no overtime at all! You would get NOTHING!, no "bidding" for vacation etc. but with 6 years on the job you have no idea what I am talking about.
Now go let Mom change your diaper, get your teddy bear and go nappy poo.
SUA SPONTE
3/22/2010 11:46:00 PM
Sorry, don't still live with mommy. I may only have 6 years on, but I still have kids and a family just like you.
Are you that much of a jerk off?
SUA SPONTE!
OR
JERK OFF!
3/23/2010 07:36:00 AM
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You two are nutballs. Why don't you just give each other your names and go kick the crap out of each other somewhere? I'd be happy to sell popcorn and weinies.
It was entertaining for awhile, better than tv. Now both of you, TIME OUT!!!!
To the person so grateful of Steve Georgas guidance;PROBABLY his secretary, What the hell has he done that is for the working copper? Please give exact details.
For the working copper in 018, he, along with Lt. Grabass, created the Entertainment Detail.
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