Pension Changes
- Following years of calls for pension reform, changes that would raise the retirement age to 67 for government workers to collect full benefits and put new limits on annual pensions zoomed through the General Assembly tonight.
The idea is to save billions of dollars in the coming decades for taxpayers who will have to dig deep to cover retirement costs for school teachers, lawmakers and public servants in state government, universities, cities, park districts and counties.
But the reforms would not apply to anyone who’s currently in the retirement system, only new government hires and state officials elected in the future.
This would seem to open the door to a two-tiered pension system.
It would also seem to push the retirement issue for anyone who is already maxed out, but still working for whatever reasons. If your pension is suddenly pushed off until age sixty-seven, it might be a good time to bail before this becomes law.
UPDATE: We may have incorrectly assumed the phrase "currently in the retirement system" meant only those who were retired. Some of our readers are saying if you are paying into the system, you are "in" the system. We aren't too sure about that - the City has changed the rules on retirements in the past. If you're a 30-something with 10 years on, and they raise the maximum to 67, what does this do to your pension rate and benefits? It certainly isn't going to go over the 75% currently in place.
It would also seem to push the retirement issue for anyone who is already maxed out, but still working for whatever reasons. If your pension is suddenly pushed off until age sixty-seven, it might be a good time to bail before this becomes law.
UPDATE: We may have incorrectly assumed the phrase "currently in the retirement system" meant only those who were retired. Some of our readers are saying if you are paying into the system, you are "in" the system. We aren't too sure about that - the City has changed the rules on retirements in the past. If you're a 30-something with 10 years on, and they raise the maximum to 67, what does this do to your pension rate and benefits? It certainly isn't going to go over the 75% currently in place.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
179 Comments:
67! Sixty f*cking Seven!!??
Are you kidding me!
Maybe if you were a park district employee or a teacher or something, but could you even fathom having to be a policeman and working till 67 to collect our pension. If you came on when you were 23 like i did you'd have to put in 44 years on the dep't. There's no F*cking way you could do that without going absolutely crazy. Not to mention a policeman's average life span is much shorter than the average citizen. I think it's around 70. So yeah, pay into the pension for 44 and enjoy those 3 years of bliss before you croke.
There will be 1,000 CPD retirements this year if this passes.
What about the Joe Biden crime bill?
If Illinois declares bankruptcy there will be no pension safeguard. We will have no pension.
Every resident in Illinois owes $6,200 to fund the Illinois state employee pension deficit of 130 Billion Dollars.
Every resident in Cook County owes $5,600 to fund the City of Chicago and County of Cook employee pension deficits.
Illinois is bankrupt!
There will be no city pension for anyone in 7 years.
True as usual SCC, with some coppers with 30-40+ years still on job,this is crazy! If your maxed out,and they give you free medical what kind of imbecile stays on,earning what $9.00 a DAY! I worked special the other day with a guy who has 42 years on,with cadet time, he said he married a younger woman and adopted her kids,and is paying for their school! To keep it PG they are all the same when it comes down to it guys!
This whole pension mess is due to the state, county and city not contributing their allocated payments in a timely manner.
The employees contribute but the government does not and hence the fund can not survive.
SCC,
The last paragraph does say:
"But the reforms would not apply to anyone who’s currently in the retirement system, only new government hires and state officials elected in the future."
We are watching the collapse of a once great empire.
Welcome to AmeriKa!
The next Obama Socialist takeover will be the mandating that all retirement funds (457B's, 401K's, Roth IRA's, IRA's, pension funds, etc) be placed in a US Government Bond Fund.
The US Government will takeover all retirement funds/pensions!
This is pending in the US Congress and Nancy Pelosi is the key sponsor of said legislation.
This is nowhere in the mainstream media.
If you can run to retirement and lock yourself into a pension, before there is none.
Keep up that hard-charging and ass-kissing, all you Hair Gels and company suckholes!
Why worry about attending stupid FOP and Pension Board meetings about this silly shit when there's numbers to be gotten, right?
Again...what's the percentage of coppers registered to vote? And of that percentage, how many actually make it to the polling place come election day?
I'd bet the dismal amount of voting coppers is commensurate to the amount that read a paper or watch the news on a regular basis to keep informed of life-altering goings on regarding issues that personally effect them and their families.
How many people out there attempted to make some kind of sense of what national health coverage is going to do to your earnings and tax contributions in the coming years? (Hint: IT AIN'T FUCKIN' PRETTY).
Wake the fuck up, people!!
"But the reforms would not apply to anyone who’s currently in the retirement system, only new government hires and state officials elected in the future."
This will not affect anyone currently on the job.
The plan is NOT to affect those ALREADY in the system, which means the retirement age would not change for those already hired.
Madigan said it will save billions in the next few DECADES. In the short-term, it saves very little.
I'd be more impressed if they'd do something about funding the EXISTING pensions, thank you.
So if I've got 22 years on and just turned 50 I'm fucked?
NEW HIRES WILL BE RESENTFUL AND CORRUPT
The bill only applies to people who become an employee and participant in the pension plan after it's effective. So anybody on the job now keeps the current pension plan.
Isn't that CHANGE great???
Memo to Legislators: YOU FIRST!
Why would this change things for people already max out? Unless I missed something the new law passed is only for new hirees.
OT: Record Number of Journalists Murdered Last Year
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/record-number-of-journalists-murdered/19412693
...It's a start!
There has been an item in the Daily Bulletin about the need to make appointments in order to accomodate the large number of people expected to retire already.
rb
If it only affects new hires. I don't see how your comment applies.
67? Are you kidding me? Where is the quality of life after 67? I have to tell you my partner and I access the situation of retirement everyday and agree with 55 as a standard for any job. This is the USA for Petes sake. In this great country of ours dreams like retiring at 55 should be the norm. It should be. What the hell happened to this country?
ok, so i work my whole life and contribute taxes and the government wants to curtail my benefits--- but the female with multiple children by multiple daddys who gets everything for free doesn't have to alter her behavior---- the city will have a hard time recruiting new police officers.......
"But the reforms would not apply to anyone who’s currently in the retirement system, only new government hires and state officials elected in the future.
. . . It would also seem to push the retirement issue for anyone who is already maxed out, but still working for whatever reasons. If your pension is suddenly pushed off until age sixty-seven, it might be a good time to bail before this becomes law."
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If you [we] are not effected by it then why is a good time to go before it turns into law.
What the hell are you sayin'?
"That's because the legislation doesn't apply the reforms to current government employees, said R. Eden Martin, the organization's president."
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Then why don't you just kill all of us 'government employees' now so you don't have to worry about it.
YOU PIECE OF SHIT COMMUNIST BASTARDS.
The sate is sinking fast. I would tell anyone thinking about leaving get out while you can.
The Party is OVER but if you leave be prepared to pay higher taxes on your pension Vote Quinn/Daley. No more eyes on theprize I will need an oxygen tank in my squad to make it to 67. Nopw Go do less with more
If that's the case they should raise the mandatory retirement age to 67.
SCC -
Did you any update on the narcotics officer that was rammed by the car and the subsequent shooting?
Well wishes for the injured officer.
Police and fire are exempt from this bill.
We have to wake up. This Obama administration is going to take over everything pretty soon. If we don't get Democrats out. Can you imagine what will happen if this president get amnesty passed? There will never be another Republican in office anywhere. There will be ten to twenty million registered Democrats is this amnesty bill is passed.
Everyone has to be registered to vote and vote every election. Your families have to vote too. Get the Democrats out now. We really have to get rid of Durbin when his election comes up.
The next Obama Socialist takeover will be the mandating that all retirement funds (457B's, 401K's, Roth IRA's, IRA's, pension funds, etc) be placed in a US Government Bond Fund.
The US Government will takeover all retirement funds/pensions!
This is pending in the US Congress and Nancy Pelosi is the key sponsor of said legislation.
This is nowhere in the mainstream media.
3/25/2010 12:26:00 AM
WHERE DID YOU OBTAIN THIS INFO?
It sounds like something that she would try but the financial world would not allow it.
i thought we had to retire at 63?
Oh yeah, working the street at 67. We will have coppers on walkers. Has anyone thought about this?
And what exactly does that mean, if "you're in the retirement system already?" Does that mean you have to be retired? Or just on the job now?
Someone please clarify. I tried to figure it out but couldn't find anything with more specificity.
You have to already BE retired? I'm confused.
the working man is a sucker!
I only have two more years to go. Any chance of an early buyout to get 'rid' of us old timers, with the higher pension rate?
Also no double dipping is proposed. Guys like little Tommy Byrne, Hiram Grau, Mike McCotter and the rest of the millionaire double dippers should be ashamed of themselves for what they see when they look at themselves in the mirror in the morning. They should ALL resign immediately!
These MFers and the citzens don't give a crap about our salaries or pensions when times are good but now they are the first target for cuts. No pay raises in 3.5 years and a pension based on that salary is too high for them.
What screws the system is the worker that makes 40K a year and then because of clout gets a bump up to 100K for six months and then retires with a pension based on the new salary, ala Bobbie Steele at the County Board. This should have been banner headlines for days when she got this benefit but the news media doesn't say squat. It's the guy that pushes the beat car for thirty years that worries the penny pinchers.
What the public doesn't realize is that we contribute in lieu of Social Security and never get another penny from the city after they make their belated contribution once we retire. FOP, Sgts., Lts., and Capts. Assoc. make the public aware of this.
If this is true, better up your def comp like NOW! Stop spending your checks at teasers. Wake up people.
The fact is, no matter if you are a new hire or you have been in the system for decades -- THE MONEY IS NOT THERE.
The only thing they can do is fuck you and that's what they are going to do.
The whole premise of a two level system is bullshit. How long do you think the young cop or taxpayer is going to hump it paying obscene taxes to pay for Cadillac retirement plans while they get relatively squat before they say screw this which means screw you in the middle or end of your retirement.
It's called, "Pass The Fuck" and it's comming.
The IL debt is already $66,000 per adult.
Off-topic: Information for the police, parents, and anyone sending their ten-year-old sons and daughters out to play at Brooks Park near Harlem and Touhy, unattended-check out the arrest for public indeceny made with the assistance of an off-duty PO on 23 March 2010. Check out the arrest history. Then thank your Irish elected officials for there vigorous opposition to subsidized housing! You're right, Vlad, I'll never go out without it ever again.
I'm not a big fan of the NYT but this article has some interesting info. Link below.
http://tinyurl.com/TheTsunami
Buck Naked
(not a cop)
but the female with multiple children by multiple daddys who gets everything for free doesn't have to alter her behavior---- the city will have a hard time recruiting new police officers......
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There's the point. our government doesn't want police officers on the street anymore, , but wants military to take over! As usual, the hard working people always suffered by paying too much taxes while these pieces of shits, sitting on their fat asses, speak no fucking English, and smoke dope all day, depends on welfare and gets everything for free (even cellphone?) laughs at our faces.. With or without life insurance, I'm fucking out of this country after 20 YEARS on the job!
age will not be 67 for police officers , but the minimum age without penalty will be raised to 53
"So if I've got 22 years on and just turned 50 I'm fucked?"
No. Get your retirement PAR form from the CPD Intranet and start the process.
Maybe the mayor's nephew should put back the millions of dollars he "borrowed" from our pension fund!!!! It's a start . . . .
yeah i read it as though you have to be RETIRED... like in retirement for this not to affect you. The rest of us are screwed.
The next Obama Socialist takeover will be the mandating that all retirement funds (457B's, 401K's, Roth IRA's, IRA's, pension funds, etc) be placed in a US Government Bond Fund
The person who posted this is correct. I believe the line of Dem thinking is that everyone should have a retirement and they want to take the funds people have in these accounts. I swear, they are getting crazier each day. Maybe FOP can do an article on this since that might reach the most people.
Police and Fire are exempt from this provision per the Cap Fax Blog
According to the Sun-Times, our pension fund isn't covered by this legislation. Daley will never let it happen, he wants all of us out by 55 at the most, young cops cost less.
From the Sun-Times: The measure that passed Wednesday takes aim at 13 pension systems, including those representing state workers, teachers, Chicago city and park district employees, Cook County workers, legislators and judges. Police and firefighters are exempt from the changes.
This applies to state employees, yes? Nothing to say pension reform might not be forced upon us by the city, but is it not the case that this bill effects only state employees and state pensions?
I am a little confused I read that police and fire were exempt.
In all honesty, all of this mess did start before "OBAMA"! Illinois, Cook county and Chicago POLs have been playing with the funds for years and years. If the State goes broke, do you think that retirees would care if the Obama Govt. or little green men step in to keep the money flowing?
People on the bubble for retirement aren't going to get all political one way of another, just as long as that monthly check comes in........
market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/
2122-And-Here-It-Comes-State-Pension-Systems.html
The state of Florida will now give pension money based on AVERAGE career pay, not last 5 years
The next Obama Socialist takeover will be the mandating that all retirement funds (457B's, 401K's, Roth IRA's, IRA's, pension funds, etc) be placed in a US Government Bond Fund.
The US Government will takeover all retirement funds/pensions!
This is pending in the US Congress and Nancy Pelosi is the key sponsor of said legislation.
This is nowhere in the mainstream media.
3/25/2010 12:26:00 AM
WHERE DID YOU OBTAIN THIS INFO?
It sounds like something that she would try but the financial world would not allow it.
3/25/2010 07:44:00 AM
The reason it's not in mainstream media is because it's complete bullshit. That email has been circulated since 2006 and changed so many times it's silly.
Anonymous said...
The next Obama Socialist takeover will be the mandating that all retirement funds (457B's, 401K's, Roth IRA's, IRA's, pension funds, etc) be placed in a US Government Bond Fund.
The US Government will takeover all retirement funds/pensions!
This is pending in the US Congress and Nancy Pelosi is the key sponsor of said legislation.
This is nowhere in the mainstream media.
3/25/2010 12:26:00 AM
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It's so secret, it's not even in the Congressional Record!! They've managed to hide it from the list of bills submitted, and it doesn't even have a H.R. # (I checked)!! Be afraid! BE VERY AFRAID!!
You sir, are a fucking moron.
Anonymous said...
We have to wake up. This Obama administration is going to take over everything pretty soon. If we don't get Democrats out. Can you imagine what will happen if this president get amnesty passed? There will never be another Republican in office anywhere. There will be ten to twenty million registered Democrats is this amnesty bill is passed.
Everyone has to be registered to vote and vote every election. Your families have to vote too. Get the Democrats out now. We really have to get rid of Durbin when his election comes up.
3/25/2010 07:41:00 AM
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Uhm, Nimrod? Deportations are UP under Obama. And the so-called immigration reform is heading nowhere.
313 Days and Counting!!!
Cane guns! We will all need cane guns I tell you! And bullet proof Depends covers!
"Cuff him and throw him in the basket of my Lil Rascal Mike, I'll take the perp in for you…"
Right now Illinois does NOT tax pensions as income.
Watch out if these bastards somehow get around to taxing ours, but leave their own golden parachutes alone.
From what I have/read Shorty who does not care about City Workers penions except that he thinks they cost too much money that could be spent on his friend's concrete and flowers, is not in any CITY pension plan. He is in the State Legislators plan, very genorous, taxpayer guarenteed, full medical benefits for life and family. And it follows to whatever job he goes to. Nice when you can write your own rules.
Register and Vote!
"Anonymous said...
67! Sixty f*cking Seven!!??
Are you kidding me!"
And have pass a POWER TEST to keep the job.
I can remember when there was no MANDIORY RETIREMENT AGE, seeing some verrry old coppers with shak-k-k-y-y hands holding guns with Willie-on-Wall. Scarred them shitless.
Locate your State reps and Sen.
Make sure you want to see a pension at the end of your career.
District/Official Search
tHOSE OF US WHO ARE VESTED ARE IN. The only thing we have to fear is that 18 years from now, when the Illinois Constitutional Convention comes up again, they can cut the balls off of us and default on every pension in the state of Illinois...including ours, yours, Huberman's and Tommy Byrne's widow. That will be in 2028. Until then our pensuions are constitutionally guaranteed. Relax SCC, I thought you knew.
Cue the "pension doomsday day" news articles...
Police and Firefighters are not included per the Sun Times article.
I'm going to drive my beat car into a tree tonight (of course, when I respond to an in progress call) and go on disability. I'll run the IOD out with numerous illnesses ranging from soft tissue damage to other bull$hit my Atty. prescribes me (remember planning is everything) and when my year vacation on IOD is up I will get the 75% disability (tax-free) for the rest of my life!
Watch how much this starts happening now!
Anonymous said...
We have to wake up. This Obama administration is going to take over everything pretty soon. If we don't get Democrats out. Can you imagine what will happen if this president get amnesty passed? There will never be another Republican in office anywhere. There will be ten to twenty million registered Democrats is this amnesty bill is passed
3/25/2010 07:41:00 AM
I also heard that they will be exempt from paying health care taxes ( Obamacare )
Go ahead, take my pension away.
It will be the last time you cast a vote for anything...
SCC Please make this a posting:
KILL THE GOLD BRAID BILL NOW!!!!!!
These bastard exempts get promoted from lieutenant and then collect a massive pension as a commander or higher Only after 3 years.
KILL THIS SHIT NOW!!!!!!!
They should only collect the pension as a lieutenant or captain like they used to. OTHERWISE they will suck our pension dry. There are over 100 exempt spots now and they are constantly adding more.
House Bill # 5286
Senate Bill # 3081
It is listed on page 3 of the March FOP newsletter:
http://www.chicagofop.org/Newsletter/2010/032010news.pdf
NEW HIRES WILL BE RESENTFUL AND CORRUPT
3/25/2010 12:54:00 AM
. . . and of lesser quality
The average death age for a Police Officer is 59 years old. Look at all the money they would save with coppers dropping dead all the time.
67? Are you kidding me? Where is the quality of life after 67? I have to tell you my partner and I access the situation of retirement everyday and agree with 55 as a standard for any job. This is the USA for Petes sake. In this great country of ours dreams like retiring at 55 should be the norm. It should be. What the hell happened to this country?
3/25/2010 03:06:00 AM
What happened you ask? The 2 party system pinned us against each other -- now nothing gets done and it's the same exact reason why our government focuses more on steroids in baseball and if 2 gays can get married.
oh yeah nothing like the almost 70 yr old copper to catch bad guys AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA!! What a joke! And if we get a 2 tier system explain to me this. Who will be paying into OUR pensions when we go? NO ONE!! As it stands our pensin money now goes to current retirees which is how it should be. However, if I retire in 15yrs and the new guys are paying into their own 401k etc, then that means NO ONE is paying into MY retirement pension. Where does that money come from? THERE WONT BE MONEY FOR US!!!!!!!!!!
Then why don't you just kill all of us 'government employees' now so you don't have to worry about it.
YOU PIECE OF SHIT COMMUNIST BASTARDS.
Actually, communism is the idea that individuals expect government benefits until the day they die. As in welfare, pensions, social security, etc.
In actuality, even capatalist countries (unlike the oligarchial U.S.), need some sort of social programs to balance out the power of the rich.
Damn, event numbers till I'm 67, what a thought!
The suntimes article said that firemen and police pensions will not be affected by the changes
Anonymous said...
Memo to Legislators: YOU FIRST!
3/25/2010 01:26:00 AM
AMEN!
Stock up fellas!
Legislators cut their pensions along with judicial pensions. However, did everyone see that their C.O.L.A. is 3% COMPOUNDED?
Do what I did and write a letter to your Senator, Representative and attempt to change the State Law on receiving Pension.
The currant law is 50 and you can collect your pension. Change it to 55 years, 30 years on the job and you can collect any time. (No one leaves at twenty years).
I had 32 years with Aurora, and was 54 at the time I retired.
I am 65 now and could not work the street. Lets keep one step ahead of the nit wits. Your ideas and comments are welcome.
Sgt. Ralph (retired)
For you living on the SW side Senator Ed Maloney is for the two tier pension reform. Call him and give him a ear fill. Chicago #773-881-4180 or Springfield#217-782-5145
email: ed@edmaloney.com
Vote all Dem's out!!!
Police and fire are excluded because we are forced out at 63,,but i m sure DA MAYOR would change that if he could get away from having to pay someone s 75%.
The paper said it excludes police and firefighters.
its not for police or fir the times said
My understanding is that it only effects NEW hires and even then it does not effect any police or firemen.
In other words ... the police are not the ones being targeted on this one.
oh well... im already hired and in the retirment system... sucks for the people hired after this takes effect.. nothing to see here.. I will be fine.
Anonymous said...
"But the reforms would not apply to anyone who’s currently in the retirement system, only new government hires and state officials elected in the future."
This will not affect anyone currently on the job.
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That is for certain state employees only (judges and politicians). We have no idea what our "mandate" will be when our time comes... and it is coming!
The bill exempts the pension systems of police officers and firefighters. The info is towards the bottom of this editorial.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/2121918,CST-EDT-edit25a.article
We will all need to keep working forever to ensure that Obama voters can get all their "rights" paid for. The right to have a home,food,insurance,a cell phone etc.
If this state and city hadn't been socialist welfare and entitlement utopias for the past 50 years, the pension system would be i decent shape.How about taking care of the productive members of society's interests for a change?
As my departed father once said, "I've just been fucked and I haven't been kissed!"
da poleece hit me wit dere walker
de odder one hit me wit da cane
i beees a honner stuudent at fangar
The comment about new hires being resentful and corrupt is dead on. If they offer shit benefits for a job like this, they'll get a bunch of sadistic, corrupt, pirates as policemen.
These future, "New Breed", cocksuckers will make Tony Montana look like a choirboy!
"Fuck you,Pay me!"...will be heard throughout the fiefdom with the hiss of the acetylene torch in the background. You get what you pay for, assholes.
You're not understanding the wording, and it's a matter of federal law as well.
This change only pertains to anyone hired AFTER the law were to take effect, if it ever does. It does NOT effect those who are currently part of the pension system as it is now nor does effect a retiree. People who are currently in or part of or taking payments from a pension program are grandfathered to stay exactly as they are until they die.
I think it's clearly stated this only effects new hires if and when it passes. And currently, this legislation only covers new scumbag politicians and judges, NEITHER of which are members of any union nor are they organized in any way to fight this.
They have not yet attempted to push this onto the 90% of the state workers that ARE in a union because it's a contractual item and political votes can't change union employee pensions without going through the bargaining process.
This still hasn't happened in Chicago even tho this was likely orchestrated by Daley to have the state pull it first so he can try and pull it here.
For us working, this means nothing other than since there will be no more employee contributions into the existing pension fund now, exactly who the fuck is going to sue Daley when he continues to refuse to pay into the fund as he has done for over 20 years?
OFF TOPIC.....Please post in a new thread...
Please post this one...This should make everyomes blood boil!!!
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/bill-would-give-vouchers-to-kids-in-worst-cps-schools.html
Can you believe this BS?? My wife and I have to work 2 jobs each som my kids don't have to got to the piece of crap MOrgan Park HS.
I know this is for grammar school....but its the start of more to come. Thanks Rev....
I'll stop now before this cant be published....
67! Sixty f*cking Seven!!??
Are you kidding me!
Maybe if you were a park district employee or a teacher or something, but could you even fathom having to be a policeman and working till 67 to collect our pension. If you came on when you were 23 like i did you'd have to put in 44 years on the dep't. There's no F*cking way you could do that without going absolutely crazy. Not to mention a policeman's average life span is much shorter than the average citizen. I think it's around 70. So yeah, pay into the pension for 44 and enjoy those 3 years of bliss before you croke.
3/25/2010 12:13:00 AM --can you imagine being 50 and above STILL working the street. You are a dinosaur at that age. You'd be an oldtimer for sure. Now imagine 67. Wow. I feel sorry for those guys 50 years and above on this job.
96th General Assembly News > Pension >
General Assembly Approves Pension Reforms
By Joe McCoy, Senior Legislative Advocate, IML
The Illinois General Assembly approved an amendment to SB 1946 filed by Speaker Michael Madigan (D-Chicago) on Wednesday afternoon. The legislation creates a two-tiered pension system and reduces certain pension benefit levels for new hires. The amendment does not change the Chicago or downstate police and firefighter pension systems. But it does reduce pension benefits for new IMRF regular employees (but not for Sheriff Law Enforcement Employees). The reduced benefits will apply to new hires only and do not affect current public employees.
http://www.iml.org/page.cfm?key=4237
The bond houses reportedly wanted the state to find a way to save at least $100 billion. Approving the reforms could address the concerns of the bond houses and help the state avert a potential "double downgrade" prior to a $1 billion bond sale in April. The bonding will be used for Medicaid services as well as school construction and transportation projects associated with the capital infrastructure plan. Illinois presently carries an "A" rating, but should be rated at "AA." A lower bond rating increases the cost of borrowing money.
Sounds just like Greece
Loaned money to pay for social programs that are not sustainable
If Ed Tansey aint dead yet, I bet he's planning a comeback.
OT - all the cops should get in on this though.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2010/03/chicago-teachers-could-live-outside-city-limits-under-new-legislation.html
Every year when the budget talks come up they threaten our safety (lay off police!) and our children (cut the school budget!).
These politicians have absolutely no conscience. They steal with both hands and when the money gets short, they keep stealing. Not one BS project is being cut, but police, schools and public safety are fair game.
RESIST -REGISTER - Save the taxpayers!
To relieve some fear here, not only does the bill say that it doesn't apply to current employees and retirees, the IL constitute prohibits changes in pension plans for anyone already in the system. To take anything away from us, they'd have to change the constitution, which is very hard to do.
OT NEWS- STRONG Rumor is that MIGUEL DEL VALLE is going to run for mayor. Is this a spoiler tactic or legit??
I will back anyone other than daley. Dump daley 2011, THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR WEIS IS THEN GONE!!
This is not govt for the people and by the people, its outright thievery by these no good dirty rotten thieving scumbag politicians who refuse to fund the pensions because they spend the money like drunken sailors. We need a second fucking revolution in this country and these cocksuckers need to be thrown in jail withh the rest of the jag-off shitheads.
The next Obama Socialist takeover will be the mandating that all retirement funds (457B's, 401K's, Roth IRA's, IRA's, pension funds, etc) be placed in a US Government Bond Fund.
The US Government will takeover all retirement funds/pensions!
This is pending in the US Congress and Nancy Pelosi is the key sponsor of said legislation.
This is nowhere in the mainstream media.
Yes it is...
US News and World Report
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/23/would-obama-dems-kill-401k-plans.html
Read the whole thing..does not apply to Police and Fire.
Before you vest, they can pull the rug out from under you. Once you vest, they can't pull it all the way but they can change what you get in the future ('you're vested today, so take what you have up to now or leave it, tomorrow it's a new deal'.)
I'm so confused. We HAVE to retire at 63, but we don't get paid until we're 67????? WTF? Oh well, there's always a LINK card, free health insurance, whatever.
Although things are not clear at this point, I do not believe that this , police outside of chicago or teachers or state troopers.All have seperate pension programs covered by seperate state laws. Actually Chicago has the worst pension plan of any of the above. I believe that this bill just covers state employees other than state police.
There will be changes with new hirees, but they will still take the job, because the new pension system that will apply to them will be nationwide, and Fed controlled. It will be something, better than nothing, but still nothin to write home about.. Cops and firefighters will probably have to work to about age 64.
It was signed by the Governor. However the CPD sworn and some other groups were exempted from the final bill due to the efforts of the PBPA and others.
This bill was pushed through by Madigan (Daley). A blind man could see where this is going.
The Scumtimes claims this plan will save IL $150 bil. Does that mean our leaders soon steal $150 billion???
Well according to the article in the Sun-Times On 25 Mar, they said that police and fire are exempt from the rule changes.
I'm 59 and in great shape. In fact I just bought a a new Jack Lelane juicer. 67 would be perfect for me cause I eat right, don't smoke, and still have sex twice a week. I hope they make it 70 so I can stay on the job and reap all the benefits this great department has to offer!
remember what fort sumter started ? it may be closer than we know.
Buy Gold.
Anonymous said...
Oh yeah, working the street at 67. We will have coppers on walkers. Has anyone thought about this?
And what exactly does that mean, if "you're in the retirement system already?" Does that mean you have to be retired? Or just on the job now?
Someone please clarify. I tried to figure it out but couldn't find anything with more specificity.
You have to already BE retired? I'm confused.
3/25/2010 07:51:00 AM
Check your history. The retirement age was 70 for CPD. We had officers at 69 years old on the job and were forced off kicking and crying. Some officers cannot give this job up as they have no life. If you are maxed out then what do they gain by staying on the job other than to keep busy? Retire and find another source of income.
good idea...
now go retire dinosaurs.
does this mean scc is now a civilian?
Was at the pension board today with my partner. Mass exodus on 15 April 2010! (way over 100)
Largest amount leaving in one day since 15 April 2004. (85)
CPD will be using a "Special Room" at 35th Street to process the large group.
They have a computer printout of all the names leaving this year that have already filed their papers online. (over 10 pages long and climbing).
(our boy marky d. from fop is on the list for 15 November 2010, and don't tell anybody, it's a secret).
They cannot take walk-ins (too many), appointments only!
This does not count those that will be coming to age 60 or older and will automatically get the FREE insurance.
Manpower will go right into the toilet on the 16th.
Academy would have to run 24/7/365 to make up the loss of those officers, detectives, e.t.'s, Sgt's, Lt's, etc. who will leave this year.
Great planning Mayor & Jo-pud!
I heard they are lifting the residency for Chicago Public school teachers. WTF!
Why not us. Will our FOP ever do anything for us on this issue or are they just so scared that they live in areas that might be affected by lower property values if they lift the residency that they won't even address it?
Does anyone know how Chicago's Home Rule status affects us in the context of Illinois State Statute?
Does the State of Ilinois pension law supercede City of Chicago code or collective bargaining agreements?
Who is the ultimate authority on deciding what our pension will be?
What age we can obtain it at?
What occurs if Chicago and the State of Illinois declare bankruptcy?
How does Home Rule playout in all of this?
Are there any labor attorneys on here that can provide some definitive answers?
Calm down, take a pill, take some deep breaths and go back and read the article. I know it is written in a foreign language for some: English
DOES NOT APPLY TO POLICE OR FIRE IN ILLINOIS
Like the CPD is police so the sweeping (bullshit) pension reforms (pass the buck) do not apply to sworn officers of CPD.
The pension legislation passed yesterday does not apply at all to police or fire. Why is everyone getting worked up about 67 year old policemen? I'll bet there were dozens if not hundreds of calls today to FOP complaining about "what is the fuckin' FOP doing about THIS?"
Does not apply to police. That is not to say that the other shoe won't drop soon and some type of two tiered pension system will come to a 12,000 strong police department near you but it isn't going to happen tomorrow. Nothing has been passed that effects police in Chicago. Yet.
The FOP is sitting in on the commission that is trying to cut drastically change our pension system but even if that comes to pass, NONE OF IT WILL EFFECT THOSE OF US NOW PAST PROBATIONARY STATUS ON THE CPD.
Now, I will have some warm milk and cookies and it is off to bed for me. Wife and girlfriend are waiting.
Anonymous said...
The next Obama Socialist takeover will be the mandating that all retirement funds (457B's, 401K's, Roth IRA's, IRA's, pension funds, etc) be placed in a US Government Bond Fund.
The US Government will takeover all retirement funds/pensions!
This is pending in the US Congress and Nancy Pelosi is the key sponsor of said legislation.
This is nowhere in the mainstream media.
3/25/2010 12:26:00 AM
WHERE DID YOU OBTAIN THIS INFO?
It sounds like something that she would try but the financial world would not allow it.
3/25/2010 07:44:00 AM
The reason it's not in mainstream media is because it's complete bullshit. That email has been circulated since 2006 and changed so many times it's silly.
3/25/2010 10:55:00 AM
There are a couple of plans afoot: one, which was presented to Congress last June, would offer you the “voluntary” opportunity to convert your IRA or 401 fund into a Government Retirement Account (GPA) which would create an annuity at 3% above inflation (i.e., through “investment” in allegedly safe US Treasury Bonds) of your entire fund or face the loss of the tax deferred status of your IRA or 401 money. This plan would, if adopted, never allow you to withdraw your money as you can begin doing at 59 1/2 and must begin doing at 72 1/2. Instead, you would receive a government annuity once you retire at 3% above inflation, until you conveniently die of the famine and pandemics we are being told are just around the corner.
The other plan being discussed is to simply raid your retirement piggy bank and compel anywhere from 50% to 100% of your retirement funds to be “invested” in those supposed safe US Treasury Bonds.
The bankster money makers are getting desperate. Not content with looting the economies of the world through usurious IMF and World Bank policies, creating massive fiat money debt and destroying the ability of fragile economies to become both secure and independent of the globalists’ economic bludgeon, the US is being looted of its wealth as “bailout” and “stimulus program” follows “bailout” and “stimulus program”. While the market reacts to being “rescued” by collapsing further…
The main stream media acts as if all of this pouring oil on the fire makes sense while Congress holds hearings on how to grab another supposedly sacrosanct, protected and safe portion of our wealth – our retirement investments.
THIS IS REAL!
I BET YOU THOUGHT NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE WAS A JOKE TOO!
YOU PROBABLY THINK THAT ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY IS A JOKE TOO!
YOU PROBABLY BELIEVE THAT THE US ECONOMY IS IMPROVING TOO!
WAKEUP!
Here's a link to bill about teachers winning approval to live outside of the city.
Where is our FOP??????
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/senate-bill-would-let-cps-teachers-live-outside-chicago.html
I can't wait to see the 66 year olds on the back of a garbage truck, on a fire truck, chasing a bandit, or doing trades work.
Are these legislators fucking nuts?
* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
ALL WITH THE STROKE OF THE POTUS's PEN
By the way its nice how these cock sucking legislators just fucked their grandkids. What pieces of shit they are, thinking of no one but themselves.
I'm going to drive my beat car into a tree tonight (of course, when I respond to an in progress call) and go on disability. I'll run the IOD out with numerous illnesses ranging from soft tissue damage to other bull$hit my Atty. prescribes me (remember planning is everything) and when my year vacation on IOD is up I will get the 75% disability (tax-free) for the rest of my life!
Watch how much this starts happening now!
3/25/2010 12:25:00 PM
Bad choice of words.
THINK IT CAN'T HAPPEN?
A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is bypassed.
US POLICE ARE NO LONGER NEEDED!
40 Years of Executive Orders Trashes Our Constitutional Guarantee of Liberty
Obama Puts Americans Under Control of a Foreign Police Force
27 December 2009 DOJgov.net newswire
Little known to the American people, President Barack Hussein Obama signed an Executive on December 17, 2009, placing the United States and its people one step closer to world government.
The White House released an Executive Order "Amending Executive Order 12425." It grants INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) a new level of full diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign embassies and select other "International Organizations" as set forth in the United States International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.
By removing language from President Reagan's 1983 Executive Order 12425, this international law enforcement body now has the power to operate on American soil beyond the reach of our own top law enforcement arm, the FBI, and is immune from Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests.
INTERPOL now has full immunity from U.S. laws. In short, a global law enforcement entity now has full law-enforcement authority in the U.S. without any check on its power afforded by U.S. law and U.S. law enforcement agencies.
A foreign police force has never had diplomatic immunity and has always had to operate under the command of local authority. The Constitution is very clear in its intent not to abdicate any of our rights to a foreign power of any kind, but under the Obama Administration, this is coming to an end.
WE WON'T TURN ON OUR OWN BUT FOREIGN POLICE WILL!
GOD BLESS THE USA!
Anonymous said...
67! Sixty f*cking Seven!!??
Are you kidding me!
Maybe if you were a park district employee or a teacher or something,
-------------------------------
Would you want to see a 60 something in a speedo or bikini perched up on a lifeguards chair at the pool?
Yeesh.
If coppers don't want to register to vote, vote, follow the REAL news and become one unified and organized machine:
THEN GET READY FOR ONE BIG ASS POUNDING!
to all you :"it doesnt affect fire or police"
just wait
were next. dont kid yourself.
OT: RIP Officer Stadnicki
The White House is Tracking You
16 September 2009
According to the Washington Times, The White House is collecting and storing comments and videos placed on social-networking sites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube without notifying or asking the consent of the site users. Contrary to Obama’s pledge to protect privacy on the Internet, he is developing a spy system whose goal can only be the compilation of dossiers on those that do not march in lockstep with his administration
Marc Rotenberg, president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said the White House signaled that it would insist on open dealings with Internet users and, in fact, should feel obliged to disclose that it is collecting such information. "The White House has not been adequately transparent, particularly on how it makes use of new social media techniques, such as this example," he said.
In defense of Obama’s actions, The White House claimed that “The Presidential Records Act” requires that the administration gather the information and that it was justified in taking the additional step of asking a private contractor to "crawl and archive" all such material. Nicholas Shapiro, a White House spokesman, declined to say when the practice began or how much the new contract would cost.
Anonymous said...
To relieve some fear here, not only does the bill say that it doesn't apply to current employees and retirees, the IL constitute prohibits changes in pension plans for anyone already in the system. To take anything away from us, they'd have to change the constitution, which is very hard to do.
3/25/2010 05:19:00 PM
TRUE, UNLESS THE STATE DECLARES BANKRUPTCY.
THE STATE OF ILLINOIS DECLARING BANKRUPTCY IS A TRUE REALITY!
WAKE UP!
There are still a lot of coppers, more concerned with telling war stories in the gin mill, than to paying attention to their futures and the future of their children.
SHEEP GOING TO SLAUGHTER!
BAAAAH!!!
KEEP IGNORING THE SHEPERD AND DISREGARDING THE WOLF!
The city pension review will be out in a few weeks. It will have similar recommendations. And it will include CPD and CFD. Mandatory retirement for police and fire will remain at 63. No new provisions will effect any current employee or annuiant.
The legislation re: "Gold Braid" for CPD is likely dead for this term.
The election of active duty representatives at-large to the CPD pension board is dead for this term.
THEE (NYPD) RANT (See SCC left column link) has a corresponding thread entitled "How does the Health care bill affect the NYPD".
It's always good to combine the posts of the nation's two largest P.D.s to find out what's happening thanks to the Messiah, Pelosi, Reid, et al.
forget lifting the residency.....too many people and the City would be very adversely affected financially.
And the Pension changes don't affect Police and Fire so what is all the confusion?
TO 3/25/10
AT 12:39:00
Either admit that you are a poser, or just get back in your hole, hide, and hope that things in this f-ed up city get better because of a tiny, insignificantly, (some)what important, to themselves, post which, again takes blame away from those responsible for a "fallout" which shouldn't have been anywhere near ...ah, i forgot what i was going to say,(haha) the only thing i remember is that dickdaley is a farging-ice-hole...and his time has come HE WILL NOT WIN IN FEB., 2011, AND DO NOT FALL FOR HIS PUNK KID PATRICK either!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
67? Are you kidding me? Where is the quality of life after 67? I have to tell you my partner and I access the situation of retirement everyday and agree with 55 as a standard for any job. This is the USA for Petes sake. In this great country of ours dreams like retiring at 55 should be the norm. It should be. What the hell happened to this country?
3/25/2010 03:06:00 AM
yeah, whatever, "stop feeling sorry for yourself and your family"...what happened is that the formerly astute citizenry of this country elected an otherwise unelectable un-rerpresentative who in one way or another seems to think that his misguided agenda is one that the AMERICANS support...that is why we (some (of you))have lost our faith in ANY elected official..GET A CLUE!...
Anonymous said...
Also no double dipping is proposed. Guys like little Tommy Byrne, Hiram Grau, Mike McCotter and the rest of the millionaire double dippers should be ashamed of themselves for what they see when they look at themselves in the mirror in the morning. They should ALL resign immediately!
3/25/2010 08:16:00 AM
You forgot ADS Mammon Shear.
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
Keep up that hard-charging and ass-kissing, all you Hair Gels and company suckholes!
Why worry about attending stupid FOP and Pension Board meetings about this silly shit when there's numbers to be gotten, right?
Again...what's the percentage of coppers registered to vote? And of that percentage, how many actually make it to the polling place come election day?
I'd bet the dismal amount of voting coppers is commensurate to the amount that read a paper or watch the news on a regular basis to keep informed of life-altering goings on regarding issues that personally effect them and their families.
How many people out there attempted to make some kind of sense of what national health coverage is going to do to your earnings and tax contributions in the coming years? (Hint: IT AIN'T FUCKIN' PRETTY).
Wake the fuck up, people!!
3/25/2010 12:36:00 AM
Good point we should bus all the coppers that need motivation to vote. Get everyone together just like the reverends do. Have a list of every candidate and what they believe in.
Anonymous said...
"Anonymous said...
67! Sixty f*cking Seven!!??
Are you kidding me!"
And have pass a POWER TEST to keep the job.
I can remember when there was no MANDIORY RETIREMENT AGE, seeing some verrry old coppers with shak-k-k-y-y hands holding guns with Willie-on-Wall. Scarred them shitless.
3/25/2010 11:28:00 AM
I have the secret files on this. The power test will be as follows.
Age 65-70:
Sit and reach: You can sit and reach you pass.
Sit ups: 1
Bench press: the bar with a spot
1.5 miles: 90 minutes
Hey KMA members sounds like a good time to pull the plug.
Ah,positive steps at ending Irish Welfare.
The only good to come of this is keeping real Police on the street.
Real Police: Revolver Police.
Time for a BUY-OUT.
>>>Bklyn North said...
THEE (NYPD) RANT (See SCC left column link) has a corresponding thread entitled "How does the Health care bill affect the NYPD".
<<<
Good to hear from you, I wish I had more time to browse and hear what other Departments are doing.
How is your situation with squad cars? What is your department getting? We will trade you Jughead Weis, Masters and Brust for two station house janitors (need not be U.S. citizens) and half a box of .38 cal ammo.
I have the secret files on this. The power test will be as follows.
Age 65-70:
Sit and reach: You can sit and reach you pass.
Sit ups: 1
Bench press: the bar with a spot
1.5 miles: 90 minutes
3/26/2010 03:47:00 AM
Whoever wrote this thanks for the LAUGH!!! That is funny and so true!
speaking of retirements, word is that on or about April 15th, large (?) numbers of folks are leaving (not sure what large means); anyone hear any numbers?
Anonymous said...
Hey KMA members sounds like a good time to pull the plug.
3/26/2010 06:18:00 AM
Hey Kid you still can t get special !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Illinois declares bankruptcy there will be no pension safeguard. We will have no pension.
Not familiar with something as large as the state of IL going bankrupt but if it's anything like bankruptcy for an individual, they will have to jump through a LOT of hoops to show the judge that they are broke.
I can't believe that the state can just say "we're broke" and then walk away from all their obligations. I mean it's not like Daley is in charge state wide.
If your maxed out,and they give you free medical what kind of imbecile stays on,earning what $9.00 a DAY
Easy. They have absolutely no life outside the job. I can still remember what one of my academy instructors said in the first week (Christ! that was over 20 years ago!)and that was not to make this job YOUR LIFE. Keep in touch with the friends you had before you got on this job.
Madigan and Cullerton are two assholes!
The next Obama Socialist takeover will be the mandating that all retirement funds (457B's, 401K's, Roth IRA's, IRA's, pension funds, etc) be placed in a US Government Bond Fund.
The US Government will takeover all retirement funds/pensions!
This is pending in the US Congress and Nancy Pelosi is the key sponsor of said legislation.
This is nowhere in the mainstream media.
Would you please support your statement by providing the House Bill Number or other reference?
tHOSE OF US WHO ARE VESTED ARE IN. The only thing we have to fear is that 18 years from now, when the Illinois Constitutional Convention comes up again, they can cut the balls off of us and default on every pension in the state of Illinois...including ours, yours, Huberman's and Tommy Byrne's widow. That will be in 2028. Until then our pensuions are constitutionally guaranteed. Relax SCC, I thought you knew.
3/25/2010 12:07:00 PM
I thought the State Constitutional Convention was every 10 years?
Americans, Police Men (people), now is the time to set the course of our Republic. Stop voting irish politicos back into office, they have proven time and time again that they are only interested in furthering their agenda i.e. lining their pockets. Hold the politicos accountable, term limits, pension reforms i.e. Rostenkowski's 4 or 5 pensions as a legislator while a Felon. This is still the country that everyone wants to be a part of, you have the power, this is not a democrat or republican issue, this is an issue of our way of life!
Wake up, hold all the bastards accountable!!!!
The bill is for new employees n not the police. Read
Anonymous said...
tHOSE OF US WHO ARE VESTED ARE IN. The only thing we have to fear is that 18 years from now, when the Illinois Constitutional Convention comes up again, they can cut the balls off of us and default on every pension in the state of Illinois...including ours, yours, Huberman's and Tommy Byrne's widow. That will be in 2028. Until then our pensuions are constitutionally guaranteed. Relax SCC, I thought you knew.
3/25/2010 12:07:00 PM
I thought the State Constitutional Convention was every 10 years?
3/26/2010 02:58:00
Illinois voters are required to be asked at least every 20 years if they desire a constitutional convention. 20, not 10. I'll be in a nursing home next time so I don't care. I intend on spending my pension and savings before then on gambling and chasing women so I will go in a home with nothing but a smile and perhaps some memories.
Thank the Power that there is an anonymous site where people can say anything they think up and get all those bad feelings out.
What the Police need is a good solid Representative that will speak up for them in a positive way. We never hear or read statements from anyone speaking for the police.
All this because of the Great Recession due to the housing crisis. Due to ...........
WATCH THIS VIDEO FELLAS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64&feature=related
The Shitheads finally destroyed the country.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425
SAY IT AINT SO.Rumor has it this is a part of his gun grab and an effort to reclassify some people as terrorists..
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425
Anonymous said...
speaking of retirements, word is that on or about April 15th, large (?) numbers of folks are leaving (not sure what large means); anyone hear any numbers?
3/26/2010 09:45:00 AM
ANSWER?
Anonymous said...
Was at the pension board today with my partner. Mass exodus on 15 April 2010! (way over 100)
Largest amount leaving in one day since 15 April 2004. (85)
(lets just say 150+ is a good round number)!
You forgot ADS Mammon Shear.
...and take Sgt TW aka Tired Wench with you!!!
A State cannot seek bankruptcy protection. It can just default on its obligations and refuse to pay.
It has sovereign immunity.
Doing this would would just lower the state's rating and make it harder for the state, if possible at all, to borrow money again in the future.
A municipality can however seek bankruptcy protection and can readjust its debts including voiding union contracts.
Just food for thought.
O.T
Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel " pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land". Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land". Now Obama has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged the Promised Land!
The new law may affect everyone. Someone mentioned double-dippers with high paying jobs, only a few. What about all of the States Attorney's investigators, about 150, most of them former PO's or detectives. U.S. Marshals, lots of retired CPD, Any other city or suburban govt job-out. Teacher or sub. teacher-out. They have just eliminated you, becouse you were a good policeman from hundreds of retirement jobs. If you think you can live on your pension ask any retired guy how much money he has in his pocket after all the govt. thefts (taxs) and only more coming. Think you def.comp will get you along, maybe for some, not everyone. The only in good shape is j-failure, on your backs.
man could you imagine a copper with two stars and a bar on the left sleeve pushing a beat car--- better add more handicapped parking spots around the police station---- bad backs, arthritis, hemorrhoids, to much smoking and drinking, poor diet, a list of war wounds ( too many crashes or fights with dude) keep trying to treat the police officers like they are the garbage man or you will get what you pay for......
Anonymous said...
man could you imagine a copper with two stars and a bar on the left sleeve pushing a beat car--- better add more handicapped parking spots around the police station---- bad backs, arthritis, hemorrhoids, to much smoking and drinking, poor diet, a list of war wounds ( too many crashes or fights with dude) keep trying to treat the police officers like they are the garbage man or you will get what you pay for......
3/27/2010 10:47:00 AM
Man could you imagine a copper with much less than two stars who is so poor at basic reading and comprehension that he misreads stuff and then posts bullshit? Where would that copper park, in the mentally handicapped spot or just one of the stupid spots?
Sometimes you don't get what you pay for, witness the verbal judo crown who seem to think they invented everything.
Anonymous said...
Madigan and Cullerton are two assholes!
3/26/2010 11:42:00 AM
Is that a revelation to you? Just now figuring that out? They are an insult to assholes in fact.
My tax dollars pay $6,000 etc and these corrupt, stupid thieves will not even talk to you if you go to Springfield to lobby.
CPD retire early and you know it.
Some of these legislators get 2-3 pensions and some have collected millions in pension benefits.
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