Morale Survey
Whispers from 35th Street that the morale survey is still being looked at, but has been dismissed out of hand by J-Fled and his policy group because "only" 2,500 people actually completed the survey.
Only 2,500?
We never claimed to be the smartest bloggers on the block, but we seem to recall major media doing polls and surveys that "sample" a mere 1-or-2,000 people, then extrapolate the results to claim a national trend (with a margin of error +/- 4%) in a nation of almost 300 million.. The media can (and has) built bias into their polls by oversampling certain groups (democrats, independents) and under-representing others (republicans, libertarians).
But what about a closed group, i.e. police officers from the CPD?
We went through a few textbooks left over from our college days. The morale survey had a participation rate of 25%. Running that out with a slide rule and graph paper with a plus/minus of 4% for the survey (the usual standard deviation), they only needed a sample size of 566 cops. Using 2,500 cops pushes the actual plus/minus deviation to under 2%.
Whatever the results were of that survey, they were damning to the extreme.
Someone also mentioned that the survey results were forwarded to FOP. If true, shouldn't they using these results to make some political hay over J-Fled's mismanagement and that Masters of the Universe mope screwing up this Department beyond all hope of recovery?
Only 2,500?
We never claimed to be the smartest bloggers on the block, but we seem to recall major media doing polls and surveys that "sample" a mere 1-or-2,000 people, then extrapolate the results to claim a national trend (with a margin of error +/- 4%) in a nation of almost 300 million.. The media can (and has) built bias into their polls by oversampling certain groups (democrats, independents) and under-representing others (republicans, libertarians).
But what about a closed group, i.e. police officers from the CPD?
We went through a few textbooks left over from our college days. The morale survey had a participation rate of 25%. Running that out with a slide rule and graph paper with a plus/minus of 4% for the survey (the usual standard deviation), they only needed a sample size of 566 cops. Using 2,500 cops pushes the actual plus/minus deviation to under 2%.
Whatever the results were of that survey, they were damning to the extreme.
Someone also mentioned that the survey results were forwarded to FOP. If true, shouldn't they using these results to make some political hay over J-Fled's mismanagement and that Masters of the Universe mope screwing up this Department beyond all hope of recovery?
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posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
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I love it.
He's such a dumbfuck, a sample of only 2,500.
Nice job with the statistical research.
I filled one out and ripped the department a new one!
Bad morale? No duh.
Weis inherited a department with a pre existing/worsening morale problem. if the results of this test are bad or worse than expected why not address the issue instead of making excuses and trying to cover it up..
From the outset this thing was gonna be B.S.
It wasn't simply a morale survey. They muddied it up immediately by combining it with a stress survey.
If they are still looking at it, it's only because they're looking for a way to cook the numbers and spin the results.
Figures lie and liars figure.
Furthermore, anyone should be able to see that people were reluctant to participate because you had to sign on with your PC#. Anonymity? Puh-leeze!
Advice to the superintendent & his policy group: Release the raw results of the survey, but if you REALLY want an idea of what the average copper is feeling, read SCC. (Most of you do already anyway!)
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
U know the numbers, numbers, numbers game is b.s. bec no white shirt ever got dumped for it.
2500 out of 13,500? No big deal. 2500 out of 9800? A very big deal.
SCC, did you catch the chase into Indiana from the 016th District. Started at LA TAN on Belmont onto the the TriState and into Indiana where the bad guy crashed!?
OT but this is hilarious! What a classy dame.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/05/woman-jailed-for-t-shirt-didnt-mean-to-offend-anybody.html
Nobody asked me but I like it here...its nice...ehh.
this blog should be considered as a measure of morale--- day after day people come on this blog and bitch about everything--- remember, we all have jobs with benefits during a period of economic turmoil in our country--- the cpd could be so much better than it currently is and everyone knows it--- the current funk we are experiencing is due to a lack of sound leadership and direction--- all the pieces of the puzzle are there, all it will take is the right man to put the puzzle together....
As Mark Twain said - "Lies, damned lies, and statistics".
Anything can be done with the numbers on any survey as statistics proves. Jeremiah points out "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure" which would seem to prove why statistic are so fallible. :)
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
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Well, Jason, you're not the police, so here's a bit of news.
Reverse your guesstimate, and you're probably right on the money. If 2500 department members responded 'only because they were pissed off about something', then 2500 (about 25% of the department) is pissed off.
Now, understand that most people on the dept don't TRUST the dept's 'promise' that we wouldn't be identified, and retaliated against, if we responded. A lot of 'unhappy', but very wary, people didn't respond so as not to jeopardize their careers. (I'm near retirement, so I answered it VERY honestly.)
So, you can figure a whole hell of a lot more people (than just those who responded) are 'unhappy'.
You really don't deserve an explanation of shortshanks.
WEISel has $310,000 yearly reasons to hang on to the job (and title) as the most despised leader of one of the largest urban Pd's in the country.
Members of the Policy Group are simply hanging on to the short hairs of WEISel's scrotum until the next wave of merit promotions can be fulfilled. Why this moron (or even Masters) would even request a morale survey just astonishes me. Two complete failures want to know what we think? Are they that delusional to believe that they are respected here? What arrogance...
The survey was not worded to actually focus on morale as it relates to the Superintendent, the Mayor or the true state of the department. I remember looking at it before I took it and actually wondering what the purpose would be and how would it be utilized because of the open ended/lack of true focus of the questions. Also, it was multiple choice so it was either this or that, no in between, no option to explain or justify your view nor impact your responses. They were all based on a pre-written list of 4 - 5 things that had to fall within the block the survey writers lead you! This was a biased survey dedicated to nothing.
Now, if they would allow an outside agency to conduct a real survey where the department received no information on the officers and we were allowed to participate, still via our PC numbers, but a real survey dedicated to obtaining viable information were produced, that would give the city the information it needs to move forward.
Please do not include Stupid Masters, the Policy Group who together they would not have 20 years of police experience (they have the common sense of a 3 year old), Asst. Supt. Beatrice Cuello, Ted O'Keefe, Howard Lodding (can you make 1 decision?) Lewin or any of the likes of people from that level of incompetency.
Morale 0!
Thanks Feds and J-Fled. You did just what was expected. SCC, post his first interview then post his interview where he said he would leave if he had any negative impact on this department. Make sure you include the part where he says he would basically put our feet in the fire and do what he could to smoke all the non believers and koolaid drinkers out!
Jason said...
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
I can tell you're not with the CPD... 99% of the "force" is pissed off about many things. We are happy to have jobs, we do take care of our families, and we live our lives away from that shitty job that we're happy to have. Trust me when I tell you that morale is anything but good. I've never seen it worse and I've been on the job for over a decade.
And they call him "shortshanks" because his shanks are quite short.
Jason, stay the fuck off our blog and get back on that northside, leftist, know nothing blog you usually post on. You don't have a clue as to what goes on in the real world which is evidenced by your most recent post here. This is a blog for men and women that have and will go into harms way on a daily basis. You do not belong here. Now go home and get your shoeshine box. And don't ask what that means either!
If you want to boost morale, apply to be a teacher at Prosser High School. Here's an excerpt from another blog of Prosser teacher salaries:
Besides the Top (15) Teacher salaries that were listed along each teacher's name, another (15) Prosser teachers will make at or near $90K for the 2010-11 school year. So, if you average it out to:
30..........(Prosser Teachers)
X $90K......(Avg. Salary/yr)
That's an 'ASTOUNDING' $2.7M in teacher salaries for a school that has failed to meet state standards for eight (8) straight years.
And, let's add another (15) teachers that are close to making $80K at Prosser for next year...That's another $1.2M/yr
So, these Prosser teacher are living the high life and driving arouind in Lexxus, Cadillacs, BMWs, and Volvos and costing the City of Chicago close to:
FOUR MILLION DOLLARS/yr for a school that can't meet its standards.
Posted by: (15) More Prosser Teachers to Top $90K | May 09, 2010 at 12:03 PM
http://neilski.typepad.com/wwwlanetechfancom_blog/2010/02/serious-budget-cuts-forecoming-in-the-cps.html?cid=6a00df351efa888833013480a39489970c#comment-6a00df351efa888833013480a39489970c
Some koolaide-aholic said...
"90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life."
a real cop said... Are you fucking nuts, ask any copper on the street and they will tell you what a thankless,joke this job has become thanks to the clout babies, j-fool,dumb policies,2%, cozzi and the others,the mayor,jag-off bosses,taxes, two tier system of discipline etc..
SCC you are so right! In the academic world, a 25% return on surveys for statistical purposes is more than enough to run with. And by the way, all academic research includes a disclaimer, when appropriate, that a small sample size may be a limitation of the study. 2500 is NOT a small sample size giving our current numbers.
Just be glad you didn't do the survey now, J-Fled.
OH WELL
ITS STILL 3 YEARS TOO LATE!
MORALE IS IN THE CRAPPER.
GO 2 ANY AREA AND U SEE PLENTY OF ROOMS EMPTY.
WALK INTO DISTRICTS AND U WILL RARELY SEE AN OVERFLOW OF DEAD BEATS CUFFED TO WALLS.
EVEN THE DESK DOLLIES CUT DOWN ON THEIR PARKERS DOING THE BARE MINIMUM.
WHAT WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT IS ARE LIVES WITH NO BACK UP COMING TO HELP.
SILLY OFFICERS RUNNING FROM DEADLY SCENE (OLD NAVY DOWNTOWN).
GOOFS TAKING OUT TASER 1ST ON DOMESTICS.
SQUAD CRASHING INTO EACH OTHER.
BOSSES GETTING INDICTED.
YEA IM WORRIED ABOUT MORALE.
I wouldn't do it because of the fact you had to sign on with your PC number. I got to that point of the survey and said "fuck it"
If it was truly, truly anonymous, done on paper and mailed in, I'd have had it done and turned in immediatly. That is of course after wearing latex exam gloves to prepare and mail it in. I wouldn't even lick the envelope (DNA)
I don't trust anybody in Command downtown not to fuck anybody over with the expression of one's true feelings.
Anybody with a lick of sense wouldn't have a survey like this with information gathered like the way they did.
It has been a while since I took statistics in college (the single hardest class I ever took) and a 2,500 sample of out anywhere to 9,000-13,500 is great. Whoever posted that fact is quite correct. Usually for a sample of a group that large it is quite less.
I guess the policy group, The Fledster, Senior command didn't take common sense 101.
well now we all cry and moan but when it comes to a challenge, only 2500 of us bothered to fill out htis moral survey, I did my part, it took a while but it got done, the same as all these rallys, everyone says that they will attend, then a low turnout, Daley and the rest of the politicians know that we are FULL OF CRAP and that we just talk. So don't blame FOP, PBPA and anyone else for our laziness. You get out which you put in.
The morale survey fits into the same category as the Blog 501. He'll print only what he wants to make things look good. Look at his Blog 501. Are there any real questions asked or answered? No. Just blow-hard "pat me on the back" bullshit. Sweaters, polo shirts, .380 pistols, open top mag and cuff cses, even the fucking carbines don't do bullshit to help the cop on the street. And please don't even talk about the Tahoes. Where are these improvements: good working conditions (uncluttered and fully functioning stations), 2-man cars, upgraded radios with GPS to help find an individual cop in trouble, good supervision, less response to bullshit 911 calls, modern "real" cop cars, a re-honing of strategy such as the elimination of the superfluous missions and events numbers that build a smoke and mirrors canopy over the department. Address some of that and maybe my morale will go up.
Jason, not only are 90% not happy, I doubt even 9% are happy. Stay off our blog and stick to uptown update or wherever you normally blog where you might have a chance of knowing what you are talking about.
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
Jason, get in your fruity little sailboat and GET THE FUCK OFF THIS BLOG. You, obviously a clueless civilian, don't know shit about our world. So instead of offering dumbass comments, why don't you just read OUR comments and learn something about us.
Any cop with 2 brain cells knows morale is in the toliet. Want relief get involved in the Tea Party and join Oath Keepers.
Even though only only 25% took the poll, we should all be awarded the Morale Survey Ribbon for our uniforms. We could wear it right between the 2009 Crime Reduction Ribbon and the Obama election night ribbon. My uniform is gonna look great. Since we sew our star and name on now, do you think we could get sew on ribbons so I can show off my accomplishments? We'll all look like we were in SOS!
Pointing out how the media extrapolates voters feelings on politics, issues and elections from a relatively much smaller sample size of the overall polling population as it relates to J-Fleds morale survey of a 25% response rate is an excellent observation and spot on.
J-Fled continues to prove he can't find his ass with both hands.
Buck Naked
(not a cop)
Blogger Jason said...
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
Jason,
Just so you know when a Officer took this survey he/she had to log in with a PC# and Password. If 2500 out of 12500 (Really closer to 11000) logged in and the results are bad it show at least 20+ percent of the Dept is P.O.ed enough to take the survey.
Before this guy Weis I would have agreed with you saying 90 percent was most likely happy but not now. I have been on over 20 years and have never seen a Superintendent kill morale like this guy has. From what I see at the very least 50-75 percent of the Dept is upset and has low morale.
And Shortshanks was coined by John Kass.
Sorry OT!
Let me explain what I have...
Carpal Tunnel and trigger finger.
I abuse my hands beyond explanation. And not how you think...LOL
Its because of my side business. I am a photographer, I spend 8 to 10 hours a day editing pictures on a computer and promoting my business. I work like a dog.
I used to be as passionate about this job. But I wont even go there.
The last several years have been very challenging.
On average about 16 hours a day the last 5 years between patrol and side business.
Since starting the photography business, my hands have taken a beating. I have had 5 surgeries in the last year and a half. I am lucky to have the benefits I do.
I have in the past had to drive with my knee because the pain was so bad. I would eat advil like
M&M's. Yet I still get trashed by so called coppers at work that dont have the nerve to say things to my face so they run to my partners to complain about me.
They call me a medical roll abuser. I cant fake surgeries. I have been threatened by bosses regarding the medical role abuse several times. Again I cant fake surgery. I have asked to be put light duty several times but cant if I cant secure my weapon.
All I can say to some of you is this...Get a life. If you dont like me I could care less. Then stay away from me. But dont expect me to stand there and take a bunch a crap and not sound off back.
C.P.D. didnt protect their investment in me. I am very motivated and driven. And it shows in the first 7 years of my Police career. And, I am not mad about not getting promoted, I never took a test, never wanted it. I just wanted to be left alone. I have a life outside of C.P.D., that bothers poeple. Why? I dont know or care. But bosses especially dont like it or like it that I am uneffected by the games they play. Less than 6 more years to go. I answer my calls, I back coppers up. What more do I have to do? Why would I want to get myself jammed up?
Now those of you bitching and talking shit, leave my partners out of it. You have a beef with me? Then say it to my face or get a CR#. But mind your own damn business. I could care less what others do as long as it doesnt effect me. And now you are getting my attention. Now view the links below and you can see what Carpal Tunnel and Trigger Finger is. If you want to tell me off do so. Blocked calls will be ignored.
Greg Giuliani
Musical Memeories In Motion
773 484 8871
Sorry for the long tread SCC.
The links below explain carpal tunnel and trigger finger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DISCFr0YeiM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKyhhg1cAGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQFV0mBTVaw
http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/carpal-tunnel/carpal-tunnel-syndrome-topic-overview
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00024
Well, self-selecting samples are not used to extrapolate bigger numbers. 2,000 might be used for a national poll, but they are chosen for demographic distribution.
That being said, J-Fled is still a freak and dickhead. Below five year averages . . .
Brian 90% happy?, then only 1,000 would have been unhappy on the survey 2,500 out of less than 10,000 PO's is huge Your not even counting the po's that are pissed but didnt bother filling out the survey, knowing what would happen, which did happen The CPD dismissed the survey because it didnt turn out and the results werent what they wanted
Caution: The following message may be deemed too sensitive to the politically naive.
J-Fed and his people don't give a rats behind, about what you think.
The mayor does not give a rats behind on what you think.
Your FOP ? They have more than enough ammunition to attack the polices of the mayor and J-Fed.
PS: Have a nice day ?
2,500.... Isn't that all the coppers we have?
Somewhat off topic:
Anything to the strong rumors coming from headquarters/the academy that the entrance test is going to be eliminated? Just an oral interview.
Hey J-FLED, here are your results from the 3rd Watch in the 007th District:LOW MORALE
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
Longshanks was a nickname given to King Edward I (1239-1307), of England, because he was such a tall man for the time (over 6') and had a temper and was known to intimidate people. The average height back then was shorter than it is now.
Lil' Richie has a very bad case of the Napoleon complex: he wants to conquer the world, be king of Chicago and he's really short. Hence the name, "Shortshanks."
It's just our way of showing him the love and respect he shows the of this citizens of Chicago, the CPD in particular.
MSF the pet unit of J-Fed are the only ones who are kissing his ass. They know that if they don't, they'll be sent back to the districts. They can't even spout off about the lack of working radios, cars and computers or they'll be gone. Some may say they are in Catch 22 concerning J-Fed...others would say they are pussies afraid to upset the Brass.
I'm going to say they are poor bastards who can't fend for themselves either way. That is why they are the pet unit of J-Fed.
004 Dist copper
SCC, did you catch the chase into Indiana from the 016th District. Started at LA TAN on Belmont onto the the TriState and into Indiana where the bad guy crashed!?
5/10/2010 01:00:00 AM
Incident occured on 25 side of Belmont Ave. Zone one NEVER notified 16 of robbery. Nice to see good communication. But then again bosses in 16 would have probably terminated anyway. Good job to all units involved.
Companies that use surveys to gauge morale have a weak management system in place. People should always be able to communicate with their higher ups in order of chain of command and then that person should be successfully able to use leadership skills to properly address the situation(s) in a positive manner for all involved.
Upper management sets the pace by effectively leading by example and being genuinely interested in their people.
Duh. 2500 = 100 per 25 Districts. District patrol is the heart of this Department. We ARE or ARE We insignificant? Go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
www.GottaRun.org/chickenshit
Once again, thanks SCC for conducting accurate statistical research on this topic. I guess all the Harvard and Northwestern MBA wonderkids in the policy group couldn't do what you did after a careful review. Great job and thanks for staying on top of these matters. Also if you could assist us by keeping us informed on any PENSION issues. Thanks again, a copper with one star on sleeve
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
Stay off the blog tool!
Run a survey in order to give the outward appearance of "caring" while knowing that you're going to simply discard the results. What a waste of everyone's time, what an insult to everyone's intelligence. This, however, does not stop the arrival of another paycheck for you.
Typical.
It's not just the city. A very great number of people in our society seem to be employed at such tasks that are not merely useless, but actively harmful. Vast numbers of neat bungalows are inhabited by people who do not even speak the language of the country they live in; how is it that they do so well?
How can something so obese that it must locomote by rocking itself along obtain a neat brick home? They can barely ascend the three small front steps. "Oh Jesus. (puff) Lord help me. (puff)" In any natural environment, culls like this are picked off, dragged behind the bushes by the hyenas. Here, they burgeon, thrive, multiply.
It is obvious that this is unsustainable; I'd say that the only question is when the breaking point will arrive, except that it's obvious that the breaking point has already come and gone.
So, we stagger along; the whole illusion maintained by television and, when that fails, by a line of bayonets.
Think how bad your morale would be if a civil rights lawyer from the USDOJ had taken over day to day supervision of the department.
improve your morale!RATT IS IN TOWN SUPPORTIN THE NEW ALBUM ,INFESTATION WHICH ROCKS!! ON 13 MAY AT CUBBY BEAR WRIGLEYVILLE!GOOD TIME AND THE BAND LOVES THE POLICE!!RATT N ROLL BOYZ AND GIRLZ!SEE U THERE THURSDAY NIGHT!
Jason (an attorney) said" "Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
What would you know about life as a working copper in this corrupt city? Nothing. So STFU and go sip on your latte.
Figure in Chicago police-torture cases admits to 1990 murder
His atty, Flint Taylor couldn't be reached for comment.
---not a cop
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
Obviously you are not a cop. First off, we do not call it "the force," that's Hollywood talk. And no, 90% are not happy with their job. 99% are not happy with the Supt. Go back to the flock with the rest of the sheep.
by the way scc maybe important but everyone is keeping it very hush hush... last night 09 may 2010 several pipe bombs...live pipe bombs were found in the parking lot where employees park in 008.. bombs squad came out and detonated the pipe bombs on scene... not one peep about it in the media.. pretty big concern if you ask me considering a melitia group is out to kill police officers... if you dont believe me scc, ask anyone who was working around 10pm in 008 last night.
jfled will you ever assign captains to 1st and 3rd watches in the busiest districts and areas
so lts can actually be assigned as a field lt.
you have 100 exempts and more captains on second watch than
lts , then you won't have to pay us time and a half to work 1st and 3rd watch when we're assigned tounits on the second watch
How about handing out blank Q & A's at roll call and hand it in w/o a name on it. Then you can grade my paper.
Nothing will change.
It's nonexistent.
J-Fled would be better off conducting a survey to determine whether the sun rises in the east or otherwise. It would be much more enlightening.
It seems Penny and the judge from Branch 44 divised a plan to try and save her career. Beware 011 district Cheetoh bag chasers, scandal is brewing!!
Anonymous said...
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
Moron. You are full of shit. You are too stupid to figure out shortshanks, you will live forever in ignorance.
90% satisfied, that's horseshit.
Jason, you either have very little time on the job, or you are not a cop. You definitely are not a veteran.
I have given 15 years, so far to the CPD. I am grateful to care for my family and this job helps me do that, but my morale sucks. And, I am a pissed off cop. I have taken time for administrative bullshit because my only avenue of appeal was up the chain of command. The chain of command was not interested in my story or facts one bit. I have been denied emergency time due when I had to take my child to the ER. The W/C was a stroke and asked if it was a life or death situation. (FUCK YOU STILL CAPT. ASSHOLE-you know who you are.) When I get a crazy idea and actually go the extra mile for a good pinch, the sgt says it's your job, I don't have time for an honorable mention. The dog-asses are never held accountable and the good officers are brow beaten for more. I could go on and on. This is no way to run a department. These events and more like them have me and the majority of beat cops more than pissed off.
If the department was fair and equitable, then I would have nothing to complain about, but I do not see that happening. What I do see is light at the end of the tunnel, I have about 7 years to go and I am done. (It would be 5 years if I had the age.)
So, Jason, where ever it is that you came from, just go back there and pull the covers over your head and hide in your dream world because you sure do not feel the pulse of those of us who are pissed off.
Anonymous said...
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
Isn't the force something from the Star Wars series?
Actually, I am feeling a force right now and will go to the men's room to take a richardmdaley.
If moral is so shot still.....
Why do I see some cop's writing street cleaning tickets Before 9am Still?
Oh....It was whats his name on the CPD Segway doing it on Webster near Burling today.
2,500 people completed the survey, that tells you the state of the morale in the dept.
move on.
FLOP should take a survey! Are we happy with there representaion?
To 1:01pm....Ratt? They were never that big to begin with and now have been relegated to playing the Cubby Bear.
That is almost as bad as Foghat playing Naperville Ribfest.
'Run a survey in order to give the outward appearance of "caring" while knowing that you're going to simply discard the results. What a waste of everyone's time, what an insult to everyone's intelligence.'
-- 5/10/2010 12:18:00 PM
Do a web search on the phrase "Delphi Technique."
"The Delphi Technique was originally conceived as a way to obtain the opinion of experts without necessarily bringing them together face to face. In recent times, however, it has taken on an all new meaning and purpose. In Educating for the New World Order by B. Eakman, the reader finds reference upon reference for the need to preserve the illusion that there is "…lay, or community, participation (in the decision-making process), while lay citizens were, in fact, being squeezed out."
http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation_process/acf001.htm
Found today in organizations, businesses, boardrooms everywhere...have you noticed how agancies like the CTA "invite public input" at a series of meetings, and then go right ahead with whatever it was they'd already decided to do?
Well, self-selecting samples are not used to extrapolate bigger numbers. 2,000 might be used for a national poll, but they are chosen for demographic distribution.
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This person knows what they are talking about. Any self-selecting survey is basically invalid on its face. No matter what comes out of this survey, it can be attacked and invalidated, even if 2,000 plus participated. Don't take this two year old survey with more seiousness than it deserves. It doesn't fly, one way or another.GIGO,
"Carpal Tunnel and trigger finger.
"I abuse my hands beyond explanation.
"Its because of my side business. I am a photographer, I spend 8 to 10 hours a day editing pictures on a computer and promoting my business. I work like a dog.
"On average about 16 hours a day the last 5 years between patrol and side business.
"Since starting the photography business, my hands have taken a beating. I have had 5 surgeries in the last year and a half. I am lucky to have the benefits I do."
Yeah. Why do the taxpayers have to pick up the tab for what you do to yourself of your own free will on your own time in the operation of a profitable business?
I think it'd be fair to ask you to buy your own medical insurance to cover this, like any other self-employed worker has to.
If not being able to use your hands properly as the result of personal, off-duty activities -- not by accident, but intentionally and for profit -- makes you unable to carry out the duties of a police officer, well...
Uh...
Results must not be good, so they don't want to share the results.
Paul over at Crimefilenews has the actual 17 page criminal complaint against officer Victor Brown...
Tribune Breaking News says P.O. Victor Brown arrested by G for lying to Federal agents. Will this be the end for Victor? I mean, he still has time for a beef with Interpol, and then Space Patrol. Looks like he's headed to the big federal callback unit in Leavenworth. But not to worry, he still has the lotion he ordered from room service. Good riddance!
So a lady walks into the 008th district one night and says.....I have a fucking bomb here!!!!!! No joke.
Some dumbass decided that when she found a pipe bomb near her house, she would retrieve it and bring it to the police. This is one of the few times we actually recommend calling the police.
morale = shit, period.
young Coppers just dont undrstand, havent been around long enough to understand...
most of us are in need of psychiatric help.....................
BRAVO SCC!
Nice "bump & set."
Mind if we jump in and spike?
...The fatal flaw of j-fled's logic and continued course of action is the erroneous assumption (read as fervent wish) that Chicago Police Officers are dumb, inarticulate, unsophisticated and lacking in savvy.
He cannot wrap his pea brain around the fact that he has been stymied if not walked to a crawl by people he had no respect for and very badly underestimated.
He thought he was going to make examples out of a few officers and we would fall in line and eat whatever shit he dishes out.
MUTHAFUCKAH PUH-LEEEZE!
Coppers have dealt with evil muthafuckahs that would have you curled in the fetal position in a pissy stairwell with your pants around your ankles while you whimper "please don't let it hurt."
Bitch!
You may as well keep runnin', you fuckin' carpetbagger!
You, your hand-packed exempts and those frightened little children in the policy group have no idea how to begin fixing this titanic fuck-up.
The shit you idiots throw against the wall in desperate hope of something sticking is akin to dropping an unloaded revolver and a box of ammo in the ape house at lincoln pk. zoo... Damn funny until one dangerous muthafuck figures out out to make that shit go "bang-bang," then EVERYBODY around is in grave fuckin' danger!
Other posters are hitting this topic on the first pitch dead bang out of the park...
"If they're still looking at it... looking for a way to cook the numbers and spin the results"
"Companies that use surveys to guage morale have a weak management system in place."
"Figures lie and liars figure."
Yeah j-fled, keep thinking cops are stupid...
You MUST be smokin' some "staw-berry" crack or some other mind rotting shit, clown-ass muthafuckah!
Nobody asked me but I like it here...its nice...ehh.
5/10/2010 01:54:00 AM
You're stoned.
Can some scan/post a copy of the survey, please?
Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass coined "Shortshanks" as a nickname for the Stuttering Prick.
The poster at 10:42 AM correctly refers to England's King Edward I, a tall man, as "Longshanks".
Morale is nonexistent in this hopeless CPD clusterfuck. No leadership.
Looks like the Victor Brown Chicago Police Board fixing cases for $$$ has hit.
Lots of heavies that paid to take little time or avoided separation for the right $$$.
Right Mary H and company???
Look for this one to blow really hard and major fallout.
Anyone who got fired should sue and demand a fair and new hearing. The whole process is whcked out and got to pay $$$
2500 OUT OF 13,000 IS STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT! Ask anyone who ever had stats in college.
The reader assumes that this sampling was random. Not so. A disproportionate number of management sycophants may have submitted the survey giving a glowing commentary.
Like me, I submit that most of us who realize that morale is nonexistent merely tossed the survey in the garbage.
I would not be so quick in placing faith in the accuracy of such a flawed survey, regardless of statistical analysis.
Unless the results are tabulated by an unbiased third party, I'll be damned if I will submit the truth with my identifying PC#.
Figure in Chicago police-torture cases admits to 1990 murder
His atty, Flint Taylor couldn't be reached for comment
Thats because he's hiding out in Loevy and Loevy's office trying to get his lies straight
Now, lets see what happens when the feds grow a set of balls and quit running after stupid cop cases and go after mass murdering Madison Hobley.
You feds are gonna be in for a BIG surprise when the truth comes out.
Blogger Jason said...
I agree with this. The only police officers that probably responded were pissed off about something. 90% of the force is most likely happy with their jobs, take care of their family, and live their life.
Still wondering why you call the mayor "Shortshanks."
5/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
Will you wonder why I call you a...douchebag?
W.T.F. Time and a half traing for Mass Transit Special is over. Was this only put out to certain Units. There better be more training or FOP is going to be busy.
Well, self-selecting samples are not used to extrapolate bigger numbers. 2,000 might be used for a national poll, but they are chosen for demographic distribution.
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This person knows what they are talking about. Any self-selecting survey is basically invalid on its face. No matter what comes out of this survey, it can be attacked and invalidated, even if 2,000 plus participated. Don't take this two year old survey with more seiousness than it deserves. It doesn't fly, one way or another.GIGO,
5/10/2010 06:18:00 PM
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2,500 people respond and the results are kept hidden from the public and the media??? One can presume the results were abysmal, and very negative with regard to morale and the superintendent. Media, a simple Freedom of Information request will get you the documentation.
Whether the 'sample' of one-quarter of this department was self-selected or not, A QUARTER of THE DEPARTMENT voiced their unhappiness. A QUARTER. And that's just the ones who were willing to go on record!
And for those of you who 'tore it up and threw it in the garbage', um, well, there's no nice way to say this. BULLSHIT. It was online. But those of you planted on the blog to try to tout the party line wouldn't have known that, now would you?
Supposedly the ATF re-investigated the Madison Hobly arson, where his entire family was burned to death, and concluded that he did it. But, our political hack US Attorney won't let them indict it because it would shitcan his case against Jon Burge. Better to nail a copper than a mass murderer. WTG Fitz.
Just another Supe mining for intelligence so he can come up w/ new & exciting ways to stick it in the Patrolmens Ass. T-Bone Hilliard did it with the 3x5cards requests. We seen how well that worked out...
"you have 100 exempts and more captains on second watch than
lts , then you won't have to pay us time and a half to work 1st and 3rd watch when we're assigned tounits on the second watch
5/10/2010 03:19:00 PM"
BOO HOO,YOU'RE CRYING ALL THE WAY TO A HIGHER TAX BRACKET OR YOU JUST BANKING IT AS CU & PLAN ON THE BIG CASHOUT WHEN YOU RETIRE? F'OFF COMPANY GUMP!!
W.T.F. Time and a half traing for Mass Transit Special is over. Was this only put out to certain Units. There better be more training or FOP is going to be busy.
5/10/2010 10:01:00 PM
No you dipshit, it was in the CO book for something like a month, of course you probably show up late every day so you miss roll call. Or you yourself are in a "Unit" and don't have roll calls. GFY.
If you want to boost morale, apply to be a teacher at Prosser High School. Here's an excerpt from another blog of Prosser teacher salaries:
Besides the Top (15) Teacher salaries that were listed along each teacher's name, another (15) Prosser teachers will make at or near $90K for the 2010-11 school year. So, if you average it out to:
U guy s don t get it do u!!WHat is the common denominator in all the school failings..The shithead kids.The parents don t care what the kids do.But when the kids do bad it s the teachers fault.All u have to do is check the test scores before the schools neighborhood changed,,like steinmetz,taft, foreman
and wayback in time CVS.Now check the scores of areas that changed back like bucktown/wickerpark.Same teachers in the schools.I m pretty sure the scores are up.
So until the parents and kids care about schooling ,it won t matter what type of teacher u have or how much they get paid.And u have to remember that the more degrees a teacher has the more money they make.
Tanning Salon at 7219 w. Irving was stuck up at around 1430hrs on the 10th. Methinks they could be connected.
Anonymous said...
W.T.F. Time and a half traing for Mass Transit Special is over. Was this only put out to certain Units. There better be more training or FOP is going to be busy.
5/10/2010 10:01:00 PM
Hang on there young buck. Go on the clear page to education and traing click on courses search TOSPOT, they have over 2,000 openings for classes as of yesterday, all units all officers below rank of LT can take the 4 hour class ON YOUR OWN TIME! So stop the bullshit sign up and join the time +1/2 club!
Yeah. Why do the taxpayers have to pick up the tab for what you do to yourself of your own free will on your own time in the operation of a profitable business?
I think it'd be fair to ask you to buy your own medical insurance to cover this, like any other self-employed worker has to.
If not being able to use your hands properly as the result of personal, off-duty activities -- not by accident, but intentionally and for profit -- makes you unable to carry out the duties of a police officer, well...
Uh...
UH...lets see....If I can qualify then I can work....right now I have 2 incisions and 8 stitches in my left hand.
Carpal tunnel done on both hands last year.
Both middle fingers had trigger release done last year.
Next will probably be my right forefinger with left to follow.
I recall someone getting disabilty for carpal tunnel??? I wont say his name, but know who it is. I know of another who brags how he was off 8 months for an IOD carpal tunnel.
He said he got it from writing tickets. I wrote on average of 2500 parkers a year my 1st 9 years or so.
All I am saying is this...mind your own business. If you feel I am breaking the law or general orders get a CR#. But dont play grade school games with me.
My hands are also messed up from the 4 years of hand carving the wood in my basement when I refinhsed it. I did the rustic log cabin look. Should I have gotten insurance for that too?
And the business isnt profitable yet. I do as much work as I can to promote what I do. Much of it is for benefits for coppers and coppers kids as well as kids with cancer. I was also told by my doctor that genetics has a role as to why my hands have reacted this way.
I am looking at the big picture. And thats life after CPD. Remember. I have worked with my hands this way a long time. I have nerve damage so bad in the right hand that It barely responded to the carpal tunnel testing performed. Now that we got past all the "this is your life crap". What do you do to make the world a better place?
I bet all you will do is find my typos. Sorry, left hand isnt moving so well yet.
Remember...I also have donated several videos and at least 10,000 pictures to the Police Memorial. All on my own dime. And most times it wasnt a tour of duty.
I think 8 videos or more at around 20-30 hours of editing and production. How do you donate your time?
Everybody wants what the next guy has. I was barely able to tred water with this business and economy. I havent made much money but I have built a solid foundation that will soon be profitable. Any other dumb questions or statements...I know your a civilian so ask away.
OFFICER SAFETY ALERT SCC said...
by the way scc maybe important but everyone is keeping it very hush hush... last night 09 may 2010 several pipe bombs...live pipe bombs were found in the parking lot where employees park in 008.. bombs squad came out and detonated the pipe bombs on scene... not one peep about it in the media.. pretty big concern if you ask me considering a melitia group is out to kill police officers... if you dont believe me scc, ask anyone who was working around 10pm in 008 last night.
5/10/2010 02:57:00 PM
Wow if you really work in 008 you must be the most uninformed officer around. No wonder you didn't make detective. The pipe bombs were not planted or found there. Somebody brought them into the station. Figure out the rest. ... and good luck on that next promotion test Sherlock (Ha Ha)
MSF is a sinking ship. My partner and I bailed as soon as we saw the iceberg ahead. Others have not used their common sense yet? The bosses are only out for themselves and the unit has the worst morale I have ever seen "unit speaking"...Be careful! Boys, the grass is greener in the districts...especially the Northside ones. See you around...
-North of Madison and very happy
jfled will you ever assign captains to 1st and 3rd watches in the busiest districts and areas
so lts can actually be assigned as a field lt.
you have 100 exempts and more captains on second watch than
lts , then you won't have to pay us time and a half to work 1st and 3rd watch when we're assigned tounits on the second watch
And my question to you is, how much work will we actually get out of you and your fellow Lieutenant's as Field Lieutenants?
The answer is NONE, the most "not needed" spot in the Dept. So shut the "F" up and do your job, or give up your Lieutenant bars bitch!!!
you have 100 exempts and more captains on second watch than
lts , then you won't have to pay us time and a half to work 1st and 3rd watch when we're assigned tounits on the second watch.
You are a Lt. in a UNIT making time and a half and you are bitching???? Wow, now I have seen it all! Go back to Patrol sailor.
Anonymous said...
Jason, stay the fuck off our blog and get back on that northside, leftist, know nothing blog you usually post on. You don't have a clue as to what goes on in the real world which is evidenced by your most recent post here. This is a blog for men and women that have and will go into harms way on a daily basis. You do not belong here. Now go home and get your shoeshine box. And don't ask what that means either!
Leave poor Jason alone. He can't help it. He is one of the millions of civilians who live in a bubble and don't have a clue! If only people could see what we see every day on a daily basis, their eyes would be open, but unfortunately this is not going to happen.....Consider yourself lucky, Jason, to be able to live in your pretty bubble! Ignorance is truly blissful!
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