Lawyer Loses His Cool
- A Cook County assistant public defender was arrested after he pushed and choked a prosecutor following a hearing at the Criminal Courts Building today, officials said.
The assistant public defender, 47-year-old Henry Hams of the 600 block of East 32nd Street, was charged with aggravated battery and resisting arrest, both felonies.
He was upset about a hearing date a judge had set and complained to the assistant state's attorney in the case outside the courtroom, according to a source.
The prosecutor "apparently said, 'Too bad, that's the date the judge set,' and (Hams) just lost it and shoved (the prosecutor) against the wall," the source said.
It's kind of amazing to see how attacking an ASA results in instantaneous felony approval while the CPD has to jump through dozens of hoops and literally suffer grievous bodily harm to get any sort of charge even considered. And then it's still only about a 10% chance of getting anything approved.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
48 Comments:
PD's are probably understaffed, underpaid and subject to all sorts of abuse by their employer, so it's understandable he cracked.
Deja vu?
Most coppers, including myself, have lost track of how many times we've been attacked and got nothing more than a bullshit misdemeanor charge on the offender because the state refused to upgrade to a felony.
It sorta makes you hope the PD beats the case.
Urkel kicked big fat boy's ass, Too funny!
Crook County is falling apart as fast as Chicago now.
So if he can't afford an attorney, does he get a public defender?
Lost it and shoved the prosecutor gets a felony approval. I've been bit, spit on, kicked, shoved, punched, had bricks thrown at me without getting felony approval. What I did get was always this question. "And why are looking to upgrade this to a felony?" Maybe because ILCS says it's a felony. Another fine example of the two tiered system and how police are second class citizens. Fuck both those ASA's, their supervisors, and the idiot who approved the charges. Cry baby losers with a degree straight out of a cracker jack box.
I'd love to know how many cases Henry Hams has laying on his desk, I mean cart, right now. Stressed out and a perfect foil for a smart ass.
Fucking lawyers.
Have never met a public defender that I would worry about him/her kicking my ass.
Felony? Sheeeeet, it was just a scuffle. That PD didn't mean no harm.
---not a cop
But some piece of shit gangbanger can put three Sheriff's in the hospital because they don't like the verdict for their deceased illegal relatives and nobody does nothing.
Interesting. The hatred for police must not be limited to CPD.
I handle agg batt to PO in an area and the agg batts get approved 95%of the time
Too bad it wasn't in a bar and the victim wasn't a female bartender.
If a cop pushes another cop its taken care of in house...at least I hope it is.
A lawyer pushes another lawyer and we have felony charges with probable civil litigation to follow...get the neckbrace ready sissy.
Hence the difference between us
Speaking only for myself, I have felt like strangling more than one ASA during my career. . .
OT- Where is the COZZI decision????
They must have a lot of typing to do to expose the crooks that sent him to jail. I think he will be set free.
Too bad Shakespeare didn't live to see this, because it turns out you don't have to 'kill all the lawyers.' Left to their own devices they'll do it themselves!
As a detective of many years my experience has been that agg batt to the police is a relatively easy charge to get. It requires that all listed witnesses be available for an interview by felony review along with any video being available for viewing. This takes time.
Additionally, if the officer is injured because of the offender's resistance, it's a felony. Any injury counts. It's a separate charge, Resisting or Obstructing a Peace Officer. However, it must be documented and that usually requires a visit to the ER, which for some unknown is generally refused by the officer, thereby, negating the charge.
If you want the charge, you can get it, but be prepared to spent several hours and have all your ducks in a row.
Given that the Cook County State's Attorneys are the most unprofessional bunch of attorneys in the world (not your fault, Anita, they've been that way for decades), this is hardly surprising.
The new crop of Alvarez ASA's are weenie toadies.
If I every documented all of the times I got pushed, shoved, kicked or threatened with bodily harm while being a cop for 30 years I would still be attending court hearings, that is considering that somehow felony review would have actually approved charges.
Did anyone see that it is reported that HAMS is a licensed professional boxer? Not that I agree with the felony charges, but I wonder if this may have influenced the decision to do so. I would have liked to have seen a few ASAs get punched in the mouth...
how did they approve that?
"serious bodily " officer, your torn work clothes, minor scratches, bites, and bloody nose and lips, do NOT constitute a felony by our ASA standards.
charged denied...but you can go misdemeanor.
Double standards ??????????anita
Did the offender use a weapon??? Was the victim admitted into the hospital??? Was the attorney acting in the performance of his duty at the time of the battery(on duty), wearing a uniform, and announce his title???? These questions sound familiar???? Sorry kid, sounds like you don't have enough for a agg. batt. felony upgrade.....What I'm saying is that ASA should get the upgrade but it sucks when Police Officers have to deal with the above bullshit to get the felony upgrades for us. I thought we were both protected employees by law, but I guess some are treated lower than others.
Anonymous Spark Check said...
Fucking lawyers.
6/04/2010 03:34:00 AM
No, thank you. Even my standards are higher than that.
CCSAO will need to be reminded of this the next time they put a brick on felony approval for Agg. Batt. to a Police Officer.
Be mindful though, they'll gladly dislocate a hip gyrating, hand-partying and back-bending to approve Agg. Batt. on a copper for slapping an offender one time too many when j-fled the Police Punisher demands it... This shit is obviously broken beyond care or repair.
You know SCC, you use this line about "grevious injury" and a 10 percent chance of approval without any grasp of reality. I've been a detective for ten years and handled many agg. batt. to p.o. cases. I can only think of one rejection in ten years and that was an off-duty security job related incident. I have, on occasion, recommended misdemeanor charges with the agreement of the p.o.'s involved. In my experience felony approval is a rubber stamp. I'm no great fan of felony review, but let's keep it real.
Felony Review has always had an unwritten rule when it comes to Agg Batt's to P.O. If the Officer/victim didn't sustain an injury in which he/she had to go to a hospital, it's not an Agg Batt.
So how is this an Agg Batt? Huh Felony Review??
Oh, never mind. I get it...
They really do have a problem with impulse control.
Did ASA have to go the hospital to get looked at, did they have to get the ET's to come out and take pictures.....WTF!!! Can't wait until I get pushed again, write down the name who gave felony approval, call him for upgrade from now on!
FOP SUCKS SO BAD THAT IF YOU REALLY SAT DOWN AND FIGURED OUT WHAT EACH OFFICER GIVES EACH AND EVERY PAYCHECK TO THE FOP IN UNION DUES, YOU WOULD START QUESTIONING WHAT THE HELL THEY REALLY DUE FOR US. WHAT ABOUT THE BEHAVIORIAL PROGRAM GUYS WERE PUT ON AND THE FOP HAS NOT DONE ONE THING TO HELP THE OFFICERS THAT WANTED TO SUE OR COLLECT MONIES. THE FOP IS A WORTHLESS BUNCH OF IDIOTS.
There is a question that has been recently raised on why this subject has not been further investigated. A private attorney has been working on one p/o's case and has come up with a surprising fact. One of the officers has been put on the " program " while the officers partner was NOT. AND THEY BOTH HAD THE QUALIFYING CR's TO MAKE IT IN THE PROGRAM IN THE SPECIFIED TIME. The officer's partner in question was promoted to a detective. Couldn't bypass the clout already in progress. The City has stated off-record that some sort of payment will be given out to ALL involved oficers. But, this might take years. Also there are other facts brought out that are making some people a little uncomfortable when " digging " is done into the " files ". Stay tuned. Hang in there fellow officers, the department just moves as slow as a snail on matters like this. Justice will be served one day.
The above comments are from cops who have been wronged. If a lawyer loses his cool over something like a court date, God help a cop who would lose his cool, they would put him in a TRIPLE behaviorial program. You got to love the system. Works for some...
Hope he beats the case! I've been IOD for months as a result of a similar incident. Misdomeanor charges only...you see, I wasn't 'that hurt'
Lost it and shoved the prosecutor gets a felony approval. I've been bit, spit on, kicked, shoved, punched, had bricks thrown at me without getting felony approval. What I did get was always this question. "And why are looking to upgrade this to a felony?" Maybe because ILCS says it's a felony. Another fine example of the two tiered system and how police are second class citizens. Fuck both those ASA's, their supervisors, and the idiot who approved the charges. Cry baby losers with a degree straight out of a cracker jack box.
He was locked up and charged for pushing, choking and putting the asa in a headlock, then resisted the sheriffs; he should have been charged, whether he snapped or not. By the way, where is your esteemed law degree from?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-mug-photogallery,0,5488047.photogallery
oh well, nothing to see move along !
another goof working for pd's office
AKA " DEMANDS TRIAL "
Great point at the end there SCC. True evidence of a sad double standard
I hear that the prosecutor cut in front of the PD at the snack bar, took the last Daily Defender and the last twinkie.
OHHHHHHH BULL-SHEEEIIT!
Released on his own recognizance??
No bond??
WHAT KIND OF FUCKERY IS THIS?
If this were a copper who gave his boots a badly needed shine on seat of some deserving mutt's baggy pants, Anita Alvarez, j-fled, Mary Mitchell and the barking rat rev'runs would be hosting a news conference to braid the manila hemp they would use to hang the copper with then turn around and make his family pay for the damn rope!
Coppers are battered, run-over, spit on, shot at and a host of other indignities and breaches of the law and the CCSAO will just flat out say thanks for your time and thanks for playin' office but since you weren't injured badly ewnough to require hospitalization, no felony approval for you?
(Whisper was they were concerned about potential fall-out because the offender donated some goodly number of teeth to a solid left cross. This was discovered after the fact)
How come this PD still isn't behind bars?
Was the Justice Department given a "heads-up" (*wink-wink*) to look into this?
Is the media running slanted and misleading stories to fire up public opinion against PD's?
Will the online comments run over 1000 deep about "no good public defenders, take away their sweet pensions and early retirement, fire 'em all, a trained chimp can be a PD, how hard can it be? We pay their salaries and they don't do anything, hire us, we'll work for half and no benefits"?
Why not?
Why can't every professional occupation be judged ruthlessly with malicious prejudice, extreme sanction, sanctimonious preening and self-righteous lip-smacking?
Why can't everyone be imprisoned and have their lives ruined for having a "bad day?"
If CCSAO doesn't take action then the rest of those "out of control public defenders will think this behavior won't be punished!!!!
This CANNOT be tolerated!
Oh... Sorry. that's strictly reserved for you blue suited people.
"Yagot Nuttin Kid" "I hope ya aint in love with these charges1!!
speaking of attorneys, did you know we are paying for a private attorney for one of the shooters who killed Officer Wortham. The state has a program made avail to offenders on big cases which allows for the taxpayers to pick up a portion of the defendants attorney fees..........what crap.
Felony Review has always had an unwritten rule when it comes to Agg Batt's to P.O. If the Officer/victim didn't sustain an injury in which he/she had to go to a hospital, it's not an Agg Batt.
So how is this an Agg Batt? Huh Felony Review??
Oh, never mind. I get it...
6/04/2010 10:47:00 AM
This is completely inaccuarate. Since Devine was SA I always got the Agg.Batt. with or without a hospital visit. Most of these are because the battery was committed against a person known to the offender to be a peace officer and involved minor or no injury. As with a lot of police gripes, the real story gets fuzzy. If you are the victim of agg batt to the police it isn't the ASA that's holding up the charge. Now let's move on and spend some time on how the dicks stole my pinch.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that felony review has to be notified to request felony charges?
I don't know who handled this case, but if after the investigation it was determined that no felony occurred, then it was not necessary to call felony review.
And if the asa's office bitched they could have been told to call for an override.
Maybe misdemeanor cross complaints whold have been appropriate.
Whats the deal with the OD PO who shot her husband because he shot her 'friend' in their house?
Cry babies.......... "I'm tellin' on you!" Doesn't anyone take it like a man anymore?
Someone said something about "impulse control"..too funny!
I guess another example of no impulse control would be the porn actor who was fired last week, so he took a prop sword and killed 1 actor and injured 2 more in California. He is still wanted. B.O.L.O. for a Stephen Hill M/1/25-30.
Another fine example of us vs them. Coppers get treated with the red headed stepchild syndromeverytime. We can't fucking win. Thats why we should always look out for ourselves. These loser attorneys who couldn't get a job at a real firm won't.
Hope the PD beats the case like he beat that ass!
Hams' attorney, Richard Kling, said he has seen "two attorneys going at it; I've seen jurors go at it in the sanctity of the jury room; I've seen judges go at it; I've seen (court bailiffs) go at it. Nothing surprises me in this building."
...and unprovoked you can walk into a fast food establishment, punch a stranger in the face, break his nose, blacken his eyes, cause a cut in need of staples and get charged with simple battery because the ASA offices denies felony charges.
More Evidence that Crook -County is out of Control with socialist politics and unequal Justice for All.
What's the point of being an assistant public defender if you can't act like one?
WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IS THAT THE ASA'S HAVE BECOME LIBERAL FUCKS, AND THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS HAVE GONE FULL CIRCLE AND BECOME CONCERVATIVE (FROM WORKING WITH SHIT ALL THESE YEARS FOR NOTHING)
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