No Range for You!
- Environmental groups have put a bull's-eye on Southeast Side landfill property the Chicago Police Department hopes to develop into an outdoor firearms range for its officers.
The city is proposing to build the range in a landfill at 134th and Jeffery near the Calumet River. City officials are negotiating a lease with the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District of Greater Chicago and plan to start operating the range in the spring, Chicago Police Sgt. Ray Hamilton said.
Hamilton said the nearest city neighborhood is about a mile away and the nearest suburbs are about three-quarters of a mile away. Studies have shown the range wouldn't create noise problems for those residents, he said.
The plan is to build an earthen wall at least 20 feet high and fire bullets into it, Hamilton said. A front-end loader would periodically excavate several feet of soil and the bullets would be sifted from the earth to prevent the possibility of lead leaching into ground water, Hamilton said.
But the Southeast Environmental Task Force didn't know about the proposal until it was placed on the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District's agenda in June, said Peggy Salazar, the task force's interim director.
The task force has sent letters to the city's Department of Environment and to police Supt. Jody Weis with questions about possible noise and lead pollution, Salazar said. She also said the task force envisioned the property becoming open land for recreational use.
The link is from PoliceOne.com, but this article was written by Frank Main of the Sun Times. Not sure where we missed this one. It even quotes Ray Ray of policy group fame and the allegedly "legitimate" SWAT testing processes. That "legit" process lasted about all of twenty seconds.
Labels: silly people
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
81 Comments:
The City of Chicago turned down the US Navy Seabee's offer to construct the range for free.
Gotta have those lucrative contracts to handout to get the kickbacks.
This city sucks!
Wow, our own range! All it took was to have Harvey shut down theirs. Thank God those kids stole their guns, a blessing in disguise.
And noise pollution? With all the shooting in the city no one will notice. It's like crickets in the Wisconsin.
Anonymous said...
It's not a robbery, it's a theft from person, like a pick-pocket.
Strong Arm Robbery
Get it right.
What is approved by the ASA is a whole different story.
Oh yea..... screw all the merit pukes who claim they deserved it.
7/15/2010 07:17:00 AM
Where was the threat of force? (Hint: there was none) Crack open your law book kid.
Sounds like an ideal location. No nearby homes. Easy expressway access.
If they're worried about whatever damage the spent cartridges would cause they should perhaps choose to concentrate on the ecological nightmare most of the area around Lake Calumet already is.
Fuck. Just change the dirt in the berms twice a year and remove the "lead".
I could understand the concern if there were people living nearby, but there aren't.
This is not a case for NIMBYism. Not in my BackYard. Because there aren't any real NIMBYS there.
And before I forget, Strong Arm Robbery is a case report heading. There is no "strong arm robbery" charge only "robbery".
Now get back to your law book before you embarrass yourself some more.
Who the fuck would even bother to use a range set up by Daley & Weis in this shithole part of town?
Just curious, who were the sergeants that were assigned to swat after the selection process?
A 20 Foot high Earthen Berm = size of J-Fleds forehead.
That is as far south as possible. Almost 200 blocks away. Why should the north siders want to travel that far?
Lead and copper in the ground in that area will be an improvement. It was a freaking landfill, wait it might poison the dolphins or sea turtles, or the condors. Maybe the bums will pick it all out like scavaging soda cans. Everyone is always worried about bullshit. Is that why it stinks to drive through that area?
Who the fuck would even bother to use a range set up by Daley & Weis in this shithole part of town?
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Who the fuck cares who set it up? If we could get our own range, we could double the number of people taking the carbine case. I'm no apologist for Ray Hamilton, believe me, but the simple truth is that the only reason we have ath PT test for the carbine course is to limit the number of people who can take the class. This is because we dont have the space or range staff to have training 27/7. But the addition of our own rifle range solves half that problem. Just sit back and welcome the range, grumble a simple 'thank you' to Ray and Jody P. for this one thing, and pray they both disappear.
Didn't the city, in the recent past announce a huge public/private, (public funds/private profits), develpoment of homes in that whole area?
Years ago the city would send people for shotgun training out to the government owned range on the army motor pool/maintenance land north of 159th street west of LaGrange Sts. Had a cool setup too. No profit in that though? If you shop out that way, you can still hear the shots from the range being used.
134th and Jeffrey = WHO THE FUCK CARES????? I live by O'hare. I could drive to Wisconsin faster than getting to 2000 east 134th street. Thanks for fucking nothing!!!!!!!!
It's a LANDFILL! Can you imagine what kind of toxic shit it is there?
It is US who should refuse to go there!
It isn't bullets that will be a problem, it is all the poison poured into that ground for years that will endanger the eventual users, US!
Give it to the tree huggers and let their children and grandchildren be born with three legs and misformed organs etc.
Fuck that, we should be able to find an UN-polluted place somewhere.
Roussel will bring a lot of training experience to the academy. But he is also being sent there to CLEAN house. Certain people feel there is too many officers at the academy and he will be sent there to consolidate everything. All of you academy officers better watch out. LODDING is the BEST boss in the department right now. You dont know what you got until it is gone.
Oh yea I'm fucking rich now. Waited 3 years for an extra $130 on my check......woohooo!
Be prepared to see Ray Ray as a commander, and soon. Whenever the next group of Lts. is promoted (if Supt. Waterhead is still around), everyone knows TWO spots are already filled by two Sgts. who worked directly for the WEISel.
One of those spots will unoubtedly go to Ray Ray, who will probably be selected by his 'ol buddy Masters (x3) to fill the seat being kept warm by Roussell of MSF.
And to be fair, SCC, Ray Ray has maintained his shooting skills and physical conditioning well enough to qualify for SWAT. He's been there before, and if it weren't for his arrogance during his earlier stint there, he would still be there.
we don't have enough ammo for anyone but the policy group anyway.......who cares ?
I was walking in Ridge mall the other day and I notice this guy who looks really familiar to me. It then occurs to me that it's Mr. McDonald(McDonald vs. City of Chicago gun law). While walking past me I turn and say "sir, sir" and he turns and we have a brief conversation during which I tell him and his wife that he had the support of Myself and many cops in Chicago. He was very humble and appreciative. His wife was smiling from ear to ear( could'nt help thinking she must have felt like she was married to a rock star)I'm glad I thanked the guy- made my day !
I woould not take this personal. It is a movement across the country where the anti gun people are using environmental laws in an attempt to shut down gun ranges, public and private. No mention os the assholes who buy a house close to a range and then want the range to move, same as those assholes who buy houses next to the interstates and then want the taxpayers to fund a wall along the interstate to block the traffic noise.
Daley controls both Hamilton and this Salazaar. So what?
We'll only get a range if a vaneko or daley clan member is involved along with walsh or paschen construction company.
Watch
Follow the money. If you learned anything about Chicago Daley Machine politics, follow the money.
16 July 2010
CHANGES TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have it from good sources that the mayor is all for this range.
We can use the money saved by not buying ammo next year to pay for the range. We are also getting new cars next year but the city will not be purchasing gas.
If I recall correctly the Reader published a story several months back that the boatyard just to the east of the porposed range is owned by several connected individuals from the 11th Ward.
Frank Main should look into this!
Even if they get it the city doesn't have money for ammo.
It's amazing to see how many outdoor ranges and gun clubs exist outside of Chicago. They may be small and private clubs but they're out there and no one bitches about them in those parts of the state. I hate this city and all of the liberal morons who cringe and stamp their feet whenever anything about guns is proposed. God forbid the police be able to properly train.
The closest outdoor public range in proximity to Chicago is the Frankfort Sportsman Club (191/Harlem). While it's only a shotgun range it has been at the same location for 60 years and has never had a firearms related accident in all those years. The club is also surrounded by Subdivisions and nobody complains. The club now runs trap/skeet classes in conjunction with their park district. WOW, Imagine that, guns and a community living in harmony.
Range! Why put up a range? We will need lots and lots more "Luxury Condos" (Section 8) for all those undocumented aliens that will be fleeing Arizona.
Sergio & Banks will make a fortune!
A few years ago, some PO at O'Hare managed to get the feds interested in a free indoor pistol/rifle facility at O'Hare. Needless to sya, he was shutdown and the money we could have gotten wnet somewere else. Just because some boss couldn't make money.
FED PROB OF RAY RAY SPENDING SHOULD BE STARTED NOW THERE WOULD BE SOME PRISON TIME signing JFled's name to stuff without his knowledge
Anonymous said...
It's not a robbery, it's a theft from person, like a pick-pocket.
Strong Arm Robbery
Get it right.
What is approved by the ASA is a whole different story.
Oh yea..... screw all the merit pukes who claim they deserved it.
7/15/2010 07:17:00 AM
Where was the threat of force? (Hint: there was none) Crack open your law book kid.
7/16/2010 12:33:00 AM
Two m/1's just pulled the same shit in 009 at the Halsted Orange Line a couple of weeks ago. The victim chased and caught up with one (17 y.o), and beat cars caught the other kid (16 y.o) down the street. Even though the I-phone was snatched out of the vict's hand, po's got felony theft approved on the 17 y.o as an adult, and I think they got probable cause approved at branch court. Now, what punishment happens after that is another story...
Check with the NRA. There was an article a couple years ago in their magazine about a study done at Gettysburg Battlefield on lead contamination. You know, lots of lead from 150 years ago? No ground contamination. The lead does not leach into the ground or water. Basically, lead slugs are NOT a hazard.
Oh yea..... screw all the merit pukes who claim they deserved it.
awwwwwwww, did you not get picked for merit??? give me a break. If you were put in for merit you would be smiling all the way getting your stripes. hahahah, I love it how everyone bashes merit until they are made by merit. quit your crying, im still a blue shirt and not on any lists but you guys always crying about merit need to go away. this is the cpd... the most crooked department there is. get use to it. if you dont get it dont cry about it... you knew what you were getting into when you took that test long long ago. hahahah, im glad your not a boss with all the whining you do ya pud!!
SWAT will be gone when J-Fled leaves.
I'm sure we could find enough vacant land for a 300 meter outdoor range in 011 or 007. Either location would be perfect.
No wildlife to harm, can shoot day or night and the residents wouldn't notice. Land that has been vacant since the 60's and destined to be vacant until the 2060's will be put to good use. More centrally located for all department members.
Win Win for everyone!
It's a fuckin, stinky, swamp on the south side that is polluted by all of the heavy industry in the area!
Who cares about a few thousands rounds being used for the practice and safety of Police Officers! Safety trumps being green in my book!
Hey Greenies, why don't you help clean up the gulf coast instead!
And to be fair, SCC, Ray Ray has maintained his shooting skills and physical conditioning well enough to qualify for SWAT. He's been there before, and if it weren't for his arrogance during his earlier stint there, he would still be there.
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Ray Ray tried out with unapproved equipment - surprised that one hasn't gotten out yet. Anyone else who showed up with improper equipment got tossed.
Also, the rules were re-written to disqualify anyone who got tossed from SWAT/HBT previously - specifically to keep Yosh out. But Ray Ray also got tossed and was still able to try out because of the giant forehead supernintendo.
And if anyone who was in SOS knows where all that LESO equipment disappeared to, the feds would like to have a long talk with you about Ray Ray.
Somebody ought to make a big portion of the old downtown post office a huge maze like range with pop up targets that people go thru one by one. The place would be a cash cow.
OT..stopped in to Tempo in the 18th yesterday and I over heard another diner ask a few Dicks that sat down, "What's going on out there. The guy who just shot that offficer and the guy who beat those two girls with a baseball bat, both those guys had 15-17 arrests???"
One Dick replied, "We bring 'em in 'n the Judges let 'em go."
I sat there thinking, "And the do-gooder, liberals keep voting in the no-bid control freaks that control every thing and that have royally screwed up every thing city and statewide."
Buck Naked
(not a cop)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wow, our own range! All it took was to have Harvey shut down theirs. Thank God those kids stole their guns, a blessing in disguise.
And noise pollution? With all the shooting in the city no one will notice. It's like crickets in the Wisconsin.
7/16/2010 12:25:00
We have crickets in the city, only the crickets & the cockroaches are doing the shooting.
You want ranges?
How about 002, 004, 005,007, 010, 011, 012, 013, 014,-15-21-22-23-24?
That's what is called a "live fire zone."
Shoot "Expert," get to go home.
I'm RDO, who got promoted/demoted today? Anyone? Anyone?
2nd largest police department in the US and the closest outdoor range to the north side of the city is probably Bristol, WI. These days the threat of armed confrontation with well armed terrorists is getting better all the time. All you have to do is call for the Chicago SWAT team and presto, about 2 hours later, there they are.
The carbine training is a good idea, allowing officers to own their own carbine is a good idea also, but the fact that the department provides so little practice with these firearms is criminal. The fact that we don't have a rifle rated facility that is less than an hours ride from home or work (except Area 5) is beyond belief. I know that the city itself is densely populated, but there should be a facility for the officers to use somewhere in Chicago. The department should really take training a bit more seriously than they do.
I do not know why anyone even gets themseleves upset over this stuff. Ray is such a back stabbing shit it is not even funny. That man would his kids out to get ahead!!! He will get his gold star and there will be nothing done about it. I remember years ago at a two day training deal at Ohare with the feds, all he did was say the feds fucked this up the feds are fucked on this and on on on, now he blows Jodi all day long. Have SOME self respect, good God man you were a Marine at one point.
LODDING is the BEST boss in the department right now. You dont know what you got until it is gone.
7/16/2010 07:37:00 AM
Lodding is a shaky, incompetent meritcloutorious politician. If he is the best we have, we are truly in trouble.
With all this 2nd Amendment stuff going around, Daley and his cronies (Weis) should listen to this quote:
"There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period."
Ted Nugent
So much for the FBI integrity that Weis allegedly brought to this once proud Department. He promoted Carrothers to Commander of 007 today.
At this point, it's really like the City Council is just giving us the finger on a daily basis, while laughing in our faces.
Everyday brings a new disappointment.
Brown, Carothers, and Roti all promoted today! What's wrong with this picture except the obvious along with two of the above mentioned had alderman relatives that went to jail!
Its official tony carothers is the commander at the 'wood (007)
OT from Tribune Breaking News:
Police name new deputy superintendent
July 16, 2010 7:51 PM
Chicago police Superintendent Jody Weis named a 27-year police veteran today to oversee the department's patrol division a few weeks after his predecessor was reassigned after a surge of weekend shootings and homicides.
Ernest Brown got the official nod as a deputy superintendent three weeks after he was appointed acting head of the patrol division. He succeeds Dan Dugan, who was reassigned after one weekend last month in which more than 40 people were shot and eight killed.
Weis also promoted Brown's deputy chief, Nicholas Roti, to head the organized crime unit, and Lt. Anthony Carothers to commander of the Englewood police district on the city's South Side.
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Uh, that would be Anthony Carothers, brother of convicted Alderman Ike Carothers, former chairman of the Police and Fire Committee. jody weis made these changes? jody weis has to be told when to wipe his ass for christ sake! Will these outrages never stop?
Will said...
Check with the NRA. There was an article a couple years ago in their magazine about a study done at Gettysburg Battlefield on lead contamination. You know, lots of lead from 150 years ago? No ground contamination. The lead does not leach into the ground or water. Basically, lead slugs are NOT a hazard.
7/16/2010 01:45:00 PM
Bingo!!Where does lead come from,the ground.
well i hope they dont accept that cause they is no place to ruin the beauty of chicago by having a range south
The Lt. in charge of SWAT has made the team a joke. His only concern is when and how to get the next promotion. He needs a slap in the face from a "higher-up" to put his ego back in place.
Hey SCC, check out this article. If we're even lucky enough to have ph1/ph2 in the air when we need them how long before this happens?
philly.com/philly/news/20100716_Police_chopper_grounded_after_cop_shot.html
Fuck that south side outdoor range. You think I'm going to travel to that piece of shit part of town coming from the north. Fuck no.
check out Daleys Unsafe guns....
Guns daley said can't be registered.
https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/About%20CPD/Firearm%20Registration
The whole thing with the registration is on chicagopolice.org and than go to registration.
This may be a blessing in disguise. There is so much toxic waste in that area it would turn into a cancer factory.
A developer wanted to put housing there about 20 years ago after the Lake Calumet airport idea fell through. He drove through the area at night and saw the ground glowing, that was enough for him.
WOW, I cannot believe some of the BULLSHIT posted about this. Regardless of where it is, an outdoor range for Chicago police is great. I live in 16 too but lets face it, where else is the city going to find land like this to use? The place is surrounded by a private garbage dump (which is why that dumbass Salazar is a fool). I heard that the mayor is all for this and that King Ritchie the jackass THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD AN OUTDOOR RANGE!! As far as Ray Ray goes, it's true. He did not have the proper holster and was still allowed to take the test. He did have the proper holster during SWAT school and still passed the numerous shooting quals during that time. (I'm not saying he should have been allowed to take the test initially, just stating the facts). As far as the rule changes go they DID remove a rule in the G.O. for the SGT's test that was in the P.O order for SWAT tryouts. There was a stipulation about being previously removed from SWAT that was not in the SGT's G.O. Now Yosh was removed from the testing process not because he was previously removed from SWAT but because he lied during the interview and said he didn't know why he was removed when we all know it was because he kicked one of the guys in his batteries. This wasn't the first time Yosh did something stupid like that either (nor the last). He was a great shooter and smart regarding SWAT but was an asshole.
.....And that was another edition of the TRUTH
Anonymous said...
Brown, Carothers, and Roti all promoted today! What's wrong with this picture except the obvious along with two of the above mentioned had alderman relatives that went to jail!
7/16/2010 08:42:00 PM
Roti head of organized crime, doesn't anyone see the ironic humor in that? Like someone named Nitti or Capone being promoted.
Earned, not given. Just kiss enough ass and suck enough dick and you earn it.
Ray Ray of policy group fame and the allegedly "legitimate" SWAT testing processes. That "legit" process lasted about all of twenty seconds.
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Less than that. He was caught after the shooting test by the SWAT coordinator after he switched his holster to a non-approved one. (Ray Ray went to bathroom and made switch). Coordinator wanted to nix him but was overridden by civilian head of personnel. She said he already shot and passed so there was nothing he could do. By the way she works with Ray Ray at 35th St. Marionovich didn't press issue because he wants that exempt rank so badly. Ray Ray also had his inside guy, Louie M, working to make sure that he got back on SWAT and that his spot was preserved even after he deferred going to SWAT. That is where they fucked the other sgts who finished SWAT school. All of the sudden just enough "failed" to keep Ray Ray's spot open for him. Mind you once you complete SWAT school you have passed, you get ranked, then you wait. But in order to save the spot for Ray Ray all of the sudden the process changed and some Sgts "failed." Why was this allowed? #1 Marionovich wants his gold star, (Ray whispered into his ear), #2 Sgt Ak, SWAT training sgt, who can't go on SWAT jobs because he can't pass the fitness test (bad knees) for the last 2 years wants to stay on SWAT. (Ray can make that happen). One of the other sgts who "passed" had been taken to various SWAT schools by SGT Ak, using dept equipment not available to others. These SWAT schools are not open to everyone, but AK made it happen. Bottom line is that the old HBT, phone call method is alive and well. They should have just taken who they wanted and not put on this giant farce of an "open, transparent, and fair process." This is all true and there is no one on SWAT who can or will dispute this, especially not MM, LM or AK.
Quick question since im out on iod. Since 007 has a new commander, where did Calloway go ?
Do you think the city wants cops shooting guns outside? Having bullets land all over the place?
FED PROB OF RAY RAY SPENDING SHOULD BE STARTED NOW THERE WOULD BE SOME PRISON TIME signing JFled's name to stuff without his knowledge
who is ray ray
We can use the money saved by not buying ammo next year to pay for the range. We are also getting new cars next year but the city will not be purchasing gas.
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The city is not saving money, it's just not paying it's bills. Speer Ammo dumped the city because it defaulted on like 2 million bucks in ammo. Winchester extended credit, just wait you know that will not last. Chicago can not maintain and keep open the local department ranges, and who will stupidvise the range anyway?
Their concern for peoples getting LEAD POISON is a joke. Hell 40-50 people get lead poisoning every weekend in chicago alone. Should the city be shut down or a sign posted at the borders reading "WARNING! By entering you are subject LEAD POISONING aka lead in your a$$. Enter at your own risk." LOL
The department should really take training a bit more seriously than they do.
7/16/2010 07:05:00 PM
An impossibility in itself.
Its official tony carothers is the commander at the 'wood (007)
7/16/2010 09:06:00 PM
And somewhere, Ike smiles from his jail cell.
Anonymous said...
We can use the money saved by not buying ammo next year to pay for the range. We are also getting new cars next year but the city will not be purchasing gas.
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The city is not saving money, it's just not paying it's bills. Speer Ammo dumped the city because it defaulted on like 2 million bucks in ammo. Winchester extended credit, just wait you know that will not last. Chicago can not maintain and keep open the local department ranges, and who will stupidvise the range anyway?
7/17/2010 08:08:00 AM
The city NEVER pays it's bills, at least not on time. They stiff the non-connected, make them wait a long time, then offer .75 cents on the dollar for the "privilege" of doing business with the City of Chicago.
That is a long standing business practice with the City of Chicago.
We cannot sign up for the Department Procured Outside Employment because Chicago, City of owes Oracle lots of money and Oracle maintains the computer system which allows officers to sign up for Special employment.
No bucks for Oracle means no bucks for us. The computer system will not be changed until payment is made. Typical city BS under daley.
The only way a contractor or company should do business with Chicago, City of is COD or better yet, cash in advance.
How about one of the vacant lots in 007, everyone else shoots the goddamned place up, why not the police?
Open part of it up to civilians, I would gladly pay $20-30 to shoot my rifles without an hour or two drive and paying $30 + gas to either Bristol Wis, or Buffalo Rock anyway.
Anyone remember the lakefront shotgun/skeet range.
You can not compare Gettysburg to an outdoor rifle range. Take a second and think about it.
.....And that was another edition of the TRUTH
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Amazing how "the TRUTH" glosses over the LESO scandal brewing just out of sight, but thanks for confirming Ray Ray took the SWAT test illegally with improper equipment and that the rules were changed to screw certain unconnected sergeants. The truth is out there.
All of you academy officers better watch out. LODDING is the BEST boss in the department right now. You dont know what you got until it is gone.
7/16/2010 07:37:00 AM
Howie is a usless sack of company shit. His spine, balls and brain are all inside his blackberry.
Howie is out for one person and one person only: HIMSELF.
The only reason he can stand on his own is is suck-hole Lt Piglet has jammed himself up Howwie's ass, he acts as his spine.
FED PROB OF RAY RAY SPENDING SHOULD BE STARTED NOW THERE WOULD BE SOME PRISON TIME signing JFled's name to stuff without his knowledge
who is ray ray
7/17/2010 07:40:00 AM
Sgt Ray Hamilton
He will be bring the SWAT program to its knees and fuck over anyone he can. I have never met anyone as fucked up as he is. There is a rumor amoung the swat team that he had some things that did not belong to him and where the property of the federal government. Just investigate it the truth is out there.
What political person owns this land?
North siders can't go to the southside?
The inside dope is that Ray Ray is deffering SWAT until he is made a Lt at which time he will take over as SWAT coordinator. MM will be given his promotion (maybe, unless Ray lied to get MM's spot, that is Ray Ray's MO) Ray's cabin boy Louie will get his stripes and come right back to SWAT. AK may be allowed to stay, even though he will never be healthy enough to be operational. Or, this will a be a moot point because something better will come along for Ray Ray and the promises made will be broken. Non-connected Sgts get screwed in process to hold his spot, SWAT pawns get left behind holding empty bags. I've known Ray since he did his internship at the Mayor's office, he was a self serving, back stabbing, lying piece of shit then and he is still the same now. Those on SWAT who perverted what was supposed to be a legitimate selection process for self gain, I hope you reap what you sow. I hope Ray screws you like he does everyone to get what he wants.
Whats ironic about this last post....L.M. isn't eligible for some stripes.....I have the eligibilty list, his name doesn't appear anywhere.....he either didn't pass part one or didn't take the test....if he gets stripes (I don't think he will) there will be a world of shit dropped on 35th st
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