Monday, August 30, 2010

Interesting Excuse

  • OREM, Utah (ABC 4 News) - Police say investigators were led to the home of a suspect who was selling drugs on Monday.

    Police say an officer was following up on a drug investigation and found out that Marcos Ramirez was possibly dealing Marijuana.

    After the officer obtained a search warrant for Ramirez's house, the officer found marijuana, a stolen gun, pills and drug paraphernalia inside.

    Ramirez was taken to the Utah County Jail and police say his explanation for selling the marijuana was to, " up so I can pay for the police academy."
Question - other Academies pay their recruits, right? Or are we unique that way?



Anonymous 025th DST 1st Watch said...

better weed him out now than later.

8/30/2010 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many officers in other states pay for their own basic training at a state certified police academy (usually at a community college) and then "sell themselves" to a smaller agency. This is commmon out in the western US and in rural areas.

Most large agencies still do it like we do with their own academy.

8/30/2010 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In some states, most of them in the south, you pay to go to a police academy and get certified as a peace officer in that state. You then apply for a job as a police officer in any town that is hiring. You are not paid while attending the police academy.

8/30/2010 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some states like Florida incorporate their police academies into their community college system and people can take the training as civilians and then seek employment afterward. There was a pilot program a number of years back at the Illinois Police Training Center - the certified academy run by the University of Illinois at their downstate campus to allow private citizens to do this very thing. I am not sure how it played out or if they are presently allowing civilians to do this any longer.

The idea had some traction because the state agency that manages police training does not fully finance it. A while back when I was involved in this sort of thing they were only financing about 50% of the cost. For many small towns even covering 50% of the cost to train an officer according to state standards is a serious expense they can ill afford. Hiring officers already trained is way to dodge that expense but there is not a real big pool of such people available in the hiring market. Usually such people are unemployed for a good reason.

8/30/2010 01:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A future CPD boss no doubt. He'd fit right in here.

8/30/2010 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some states require people to become a "pre-service canidate" prior to being hired by a department. Therefore anyone intertested in becoming an officer must pay on their own for training/certification prior to being hired which can cost up to $10K.

Even after completing your training there is still no guarantee that you'll be hired.

8/30/2010 04:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey at least dummy got a heads up on some of the costs, unlike the CPD academy where you quickly find out you have to come up with about 4 or 5 grand to buy your own stuff.

8/30/2010 05:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


8/30/2010 06:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

025th DST 1st Watch said...

better weed him out now than later.

8/30/2010 12:20:00 AM

Good one.

I remember a recruit who was name checked in the squad car first day on the street as his FTO showed him how to run the car computer, and of course, check up on the recruit, a warrant popped and the recruit was marched right back in the station, in handcuffs.

Then there was the young woman who was dropped from the hiring process because she said she used cocaine but only recreationally and swore she would stop if hired.

She sued, and lost.

8/30/2010 06:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Illinois you must be sponsored by a department. The general rule is that the recruit is hired as a full time officer to attend the full time academy. But people with power in politics usually screw that up by abusing that power. One town who's mayor abuses that power is Phoenix, il. The mayor there sends all his political cronies through the full time academy even though they are not full time police officers. The catch is that the recruits must pay their own academy fee and hold a burger flipping job while in the academy to be able to afford it. I wonder if the state training board still reimburses Phoenix for the money that the recruit paid from his own pocket. Hmmmmm.

8/30/2010 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Evanston P.D. always tried to lure lateral transfers from other departments so they wouldn't have to pay for the academy. A lot of Northwestern University P.D. officers would go there. In California, that's considered POST certfification and you then try to find the P.D. that pays the best.

8/30/2010 09:57:00 AM  
OpenID hipiap1 said...

In Some Cities...the Local Police Academy is part of the Community College and if the Police Agency Sponsors you; they cover the costs.

If you can't get a Sponsorship from a City or County PD, you have to pay for the Associates in LE/CJ.

Like City and County were not Hiring at the time I took my Associates in Criminal Justice, so I had to eat the Cost with Loans.

8/30/2010 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe he was savings up so when he gets out he can "pay" his way to a good spot.

8/30/2010 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago would never do it. It might be considered unfair to minorities, and that would not be fair.

8/30/2010 10:33:00 PM  

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