Detective Writes to Zorn
Since we avoid Eric Zorn's column like the plague, we didn't see this from a few days ago.
It's a letter from a detective to Zorn. He signs his name to it and pretty much takes FOP President Donahue to task for pushing for a march around HQ. The letter is, in our opinions, a bit disjointed, but we are aware of the difficulty of producing posts that flow.
He also addresses a number of issues addressed here continuously. We all end up rehashing many of the same arguments after beating our heads against the wall for years on end.
Some commentator wants us to rip the detective a new one, using all sorts of inflammatory language. And calling us names because they haven't seen any posting on it.
Frankly, we don't see much to address seeing as how Zorn and the letter were published on 16 September, a full day after the march occurred. We aren't going to begrudge the detective his opinion and we aren't going to point out Zorn's selective quoting that makes the letter seem harsher than it is - and it is a pretty pointed letter.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The detective has his. It reflects small portions of ours. Some doesn't. It's all moot at this point, and it was moot when it appeared in Zorn's column.
It's a letter from a detective to Zorn. He signs his name to it and pretty much takes FOP President Donahue to task for pushing for a march around HQ. The letter is, in our opinions, a bit disjointed, but we are aware of the difficulty of producing posts that flow.
He also addresses a number of issues addressed here continuously. We all end up rehashing many of the same arguments after beating our heads against the wall for years on end.
Some commentator wants us to rip the detective a new one, using all sorts of inflammatory language. And calling us names because they haven't seen any posting on it.
Frankly, we don't see much to address seeing as how Zorn and the letter were published on 16 September, a full day after the march occurred. We aren't going to begrudge the detective his opinion and we aren't going to point out Zorn's selective quoting that makes the letter seem harsher than it is - and it is a pretty pointed letter.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The detective has his. It reflects small portions of ours. Some doesn't. It's all moot at this point, and it was moot when it appeared in Zorn's column.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
53 Comments:
Four years in 7 does not make YOU the "Real Police"....
Jesus, when will you guys in 7 and 11 get over yourselves?
I hate to say it but if you support Lt Andrews in publishing his opinion then you have to support this guy's right to have his opinion heard. Nothing says you have to agree with one over the other, or even agree to either, simply agree that they have a right to say it.
A1 detective says it all. Bunch of whiny chumps working upstairs.
Someone is looking for a promotion. Some of that stuff is wacked out. Mentoring is should not be an assigned job, only volunteer. CPD Officers are already mentoring youths in our schools through programs like Big Brother and others. FOP is not sponsoring it and I don't think they should. Fighting crime is not the job of the FOP. It is the job of the administration of this Dept. to make policies to fight crime. FOP should take care of our rights and safety directly not indirectly through social programs. And they aren't doing a great job of that either. Anyway, this detective should sign up for mentoring. It might make him feel better.
Zorn is the biggest police hater of all the media police haters in this town.
Even Steinberg gives us props once in a while, Zorn has an agenda-and that agenda is spewing anti-police rhetoric.
Speaking of Steinberg, he was sick of reading the comments section of his online columns so he turned them off (ST reporters have that option)
One must admit he's got some balls in writing that letter as he must have realized he pretty much stands alone in his convictions. He's true to himself and who would fault a guy for that?
Dave is actually a really nice guy-almost too nice to be the police.
But Dave, what the supt did to Cozzi was bullshit and for that he should be embarrassed in front of OUR headquarters. Also, we are dangerously low on manpower and needed to march to take a stand. You aren't in a beat car anymore, so you aren't bearing the safety burden. Coppers are getting shot left and right out here. It's time to address the manpower issues.
Oh and thanks to you and all the men and women who are serving or have served our country!!
Zorn who?
Eric Zorn is an Alfred E Newman looking putz
Looks like the det. is posturing himself to run for FOP office. Timing is everything.
Dave, most police mentor more than an hour a month. it is just not through some organized bullshit program with a catchy name attached to it and a board of directors.
This detective is obviously bucking for promotion. I say what a jerk!!!!!!!
The only thing I agree with this mutt about is that we have way too many administrative positions for sworn police officers. The FOP needs to move into the 21st century and let numerous positions become civilian run.
The biggest joke in the article is calling the march a publicity stunt. I like many other paying dues members of the FOP are sick and tired of the FOP being polite to the the mayor and the aldermen. We want our arguments put into the public spotlight and our criminal Mayor called on the carpet.
Donahue has always been the guy keeping police grievances in the background with closed door deals. The old saying goes the squeaky wheel gets the grease and a closed mouth doesn't get fed. That is how the FOP has operated for the most part under Donahue. The teachers union cries the loudest and plays their trump card at every turn.
I can't believe a moron from the detective division who hasn't seen anyone added to their ranks in three years could right such a misplaced article.
The single most effective way to insure officer safety is to reach out to the youth of this city and provide positive role models. A police officer would be insane to not donate an hour a month to programs developed with the intention of garnering trust and a level of understanding between youth and police officers. ???
I DIDN'T READ IN HIS BIO HOW MANY KIDS HE HAD, IF HE HAS A WIFE WHO ALSO WORKS, WHETHER HE SPENDS HIS WHOLE DAY RUNNING HIS KIDS TO SCHOOL,AND RUNNING THEM TO AFTER SCHOOL ACTIVITIES AS WELL. WHETHER HE IS PAYING PRIVATE SCHOOL TUITION AND WORKING MULTIPLE SIDE JOBS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND YET STILL SHOWING TO WORKING BEING PROACTIVE AND READY FOR DUTY. OH YA, I FORGOT ABOUT TRYING TO CATCH A FEW HOURS OF SLEEP...........ONE HOUR A MONTH TO RAISE SOMEONE ELSES KID?? NOT REALISTIC MR. DETECTIVE. HE ALSO FORGETS TO MENTION MANY OF THESE BENEFITS WERE FOUGHT FOR, NOT HANDED OVER WILLINGLY BY THE CITY.
...because I am the real police.
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A legend in your own mind, God's gift to Area 1. What a goof.
Wow. Det. DeMato is a frickin' moron. His big twenty-five cent words don't scare me. He holds Donahue responsible for future police bloodshed!?!?!? Whaaaa?!?!? Every cop would be an "idiot" not to donate time to youth outreach programs?!?!?! HUHH?!?!? What kind of asshole is this guy?
SCC, you said you AGREE with some of DeMAto's shit?!?!? Exactly which parts? It's the Superintendent's message; plain and simple. DeMato can go fuck himself.
Dickhead DeMato says: The single most effective way to insure officer safety is to reach out to the youth of this city and provide positive role models.
I say: How'd that work for you in Afghanstan and Irag, soldier? Not so well.
Chicago police are law enforcement, not DCFS.
I must admit the the detective makes quite a few very valid points in his letter. I do believe that the union was wrong to have all the "Free Cozzi" signs. I have no problem with the other ones but the FOP did look bad IN MY OPINION for the Cozzi signs. I do not agree with how J-Fled handle his situation but it showed a real bad image to the public.
But I do believe that moral is low on the department and it was low when J-Fled got here. I also feel that there were a few things that he could of done to change the moral. The first thing he could of done is told the mayor, every aldercreature, storefront rev and the other activist that he wasn't going to let them influence his appointments or promotions. He would do it his way. I think that it could of went a long way with turning this department around. Just because the city is allowed 30% merit doesn't mean that they have to use it. I know for a fact that the CFD DOES NOT always use the allotted merit promotions.
Had he told all those people that it would be doen his way what was the city going to do ? Fire him? He was under a contract for 3 yrs. They still would of had to pay him. And had they fired him he could of went public and told why he was fired. That he wasn't going to let the elected officials and preachers run the department into the ground.
He was an outsider and didn't owe anything to a chinaman for helping him get his position like all the past Superintendent did.
Also I am not one bit surprised by Donahue's comment. I have never voted for him and will be glad to see him go. The good part is all the things he did for Daley & the city may not help him when he is out of office because Richie will be gone too.
its pretty long I don't fell like reading it all right now is that OK?
SCC your right you cannot say it,but we/I can! This dick with maybe 10 years wants to you and everyone to believe he is the "real police"! The kid has a lot to learn with clout making him a detective,and of course with that puff piece maybe he will get another kiss ass promotion? Now from a 28 year veteran,working a high crime beat car STFU, what kind of goof writes to the liberal eric zorn anyway? Do you still live with mom? Did mommy and daddy work hard and pay your college tuition while you wasted time being drunk at a low end school?
Congratulations Detective ... well said ... well thought out ... and extremely accurate statement ... I agree with every word. I know a lot of the blogologists will bash you. But thank you for having the courage to speak the truth.
25 year vet.
David DeMato, if you were the real police you wouldn't feel the need to profess it, you either weren't or are extremely insecure. Thank you for your military service, but where is your concern for your four fellow policemen who have lost their lives under this current leadership which has police offciers second guessing themselves and has emboldened the criminals.
You have only worked under the protection of the very union you criticize in your short ten year career, although those of us with similar yoj should take an active interest in the union, the true opinion of the union should be reserved for those who were around before its inception.
Maybe you don't follow the economy too closely, but while the economy was strong people in the private sector were making alot of money and the city was barely giving us a cost of living adjustment and began a downsizing of CPD by lowered hiring rates. We are now faced with more work to be done with less in the current rising crime climate. Lowered hiring rates ARE the equivalent of layoffs. Richard Francis might still be with us today had he not been working a 10-99 car. Did you consider that when making your comment about how grateful we should be there are no layoffs? There have been no detective classes made in almost three years, you don't complain about that? Are you making so much ot that you don't want the help? By the way, detective is not a rank, you are a police officer assigned as detective. You make no mention of whether you made detective from the list or merit. Inquiring minds want to know.
All of that aside, if you want to be a braggart, a company man or an open shop employee you are not alone on this department and I could care less. My problem is that you employed the assistance of one of the biggest anti-police low lifes in the media to share your opinion which makes us look like a bunch of pigs. Eric Zorn is a scumbag of scumbags and if you didn't know that you should have done your homework and if you did know that then you are the "one-way" guy you come across as. Years ago, an officer from 023 encounterd a mental homeless man who lunged at him with a fork. Said officer shot and killed his assailant and was justified. Eric Zorn wrote a scathing article about this incident. A few years later, a mass transit officer was at the public side of the desk at 023 making a phone call. A deranged man came into the lobby brandishing a 10 inch knife, lunged at the officer with an over hand motion with the knife. Thankfully the officer was able to raise his arm which prevented the knife from striking him in the face or upper body and draw his pistol and shoot the assailant, killing him. Eric Zorn wrote an article alluding to the fact that town hall officers would now only need to shoot a man with a spoon for a full table setting. This is the scumbag that you employed to publish your message. Who do you think reads his garbage? Liberals and police haters. I'm sure they ate up every word of it. Grow up and think abut how your actions will have a negative impact on 12,000 other people.
My name is David DeMato and I currently hold the rank of Detective with the Chicago Police Department, assigned to Unit 610.
David DeMato you are a POLICE OFFICER ASSIGNED AS A DETECTIVE, you have no RANK , you have a pay grade !!!
David DeMato you are a VETERAN NOT GENERAL PATTON, many of us served and bleed but we do not thump our chest !!!
David DeMato you have your opinion of the FOP and the privilage to speak and write them bought with the blood of our brothers and sisters in blue !!!!
David DeMato if you feel so strongly about the current leadership of the FOP. Please throw your name into the election process !!!
You can also say that I care allot about those in patrol, way more than your self centered me-me rant.
A FTO in 015
To the "SCC BULLSHIT" commentator:
We saw where you posted it. We also stated that we avoid Zorn like the plague.
Try to keep up here.
Dave DeMato, you don't hold rank your are a Detective, no rank, get over yourself. Also sitting in a squad car in 007 doing nothing does not make you the real police. By the way the D unit has a real nice clearance rate. You sir are a TOOL!!!
i couldn't agree more. dont know the guy, may not like him if i did. but the protest was the worst thing to do at the worst possible time with no clear agenda and was clearly a last gasp effort by the union leaders to ingratiate themselves with tired, leaderless sheep that are just looking for answers to the madness of this last summer by saying just want they want to hear. this guy is saying things that some of us just dont want to hear. i for one applaud him
What does make " The Real Police". 23 0 six car does not think that those who toil in the worst districts in the city have that right, even after four years. Lots of good places to ear in 023, isn't there? I can promise you that 007 and 001 have none. But that is not the real point that I would like to make. Everyone has a right to make their thoughts known and if they are members of this department, they should be supported by their fellow officers, whether we agree with them or not. The divisions in the department have hurt its members over the years and continues to do so.
He makes some good points but I don't agree with them.all. To those bashing him under the "anonymous" heading, do you see the irony? He signed his name and none of you did. And if you don't know this job in ten years you never will. Any ten year vets out there who want to stand up and say they are NOT the "real police?"
WOW!
THE GUYS HAS THE BALLS 2 PUT PEN TO PAPER AND ALL I SEE IS:
HE ISNT THE REAL POLICE
DICKS IN AREA 1 BLAH BLAH BLAH
GUYS LOOKING FOR SOME KINDA OF BUMP IN PAY.
2 DAYS THE FOP MEETING I WONDER HOW MANY OF U ARE GOING TO SPEAK UR MIND.
HOW MANY OF U R GOING TO RUN FOR FOP BOARD.
AND WORKING IN 7-11 DOES MAKE U THE REAL POLICE.
WHY DO U THINK NO ONE BIDS THERE.
ITS CLOSE TO MIDWAY, GARFIELD-RIDGE AND BEVERLY YET NO TAKERS!
MAN UP GO TO THE MEETING AND BE HEARD.
OMG! Just read this guys letter. What a "bleeder". I am just wondering how he handles his "Detective" case load while keeping his head shoved so far up both Da Mayor and J Fleds asses at the same time! This guy is perfect supervisor material for a department as f*cked as this one is!
Stevie Wonder can catch criminals in 007. Take it easy guy.
Now if you would have said you have the highest clearance rate in the D, then you might get somewhere.
Congratulations Detective ... well said ... well thought out ... and extremely accurate statement ... I agree with every word. I know a lot of the blogologists will bash you. But thank you for having the courage to speak the truth.
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Excellent article. Good job Dave!! Donahue and his cronies need to go!!
Anonymous said...
Someone is looking for a promotion. Some of that stuff is wacked out. Mentoring is should not be an assigned job, only volunteer. CPD Officers are already mentoring youths in our schools through programs like Big Brother and others. FOP is not sponsoring it and I don't think they should. Fighting crime is not the job of the FOP. It is the job of the administration of this Dept. to make policies to fight crime. FOP should take care of our rights and safety directly not indirectly through social programs. And they aren't doing a great job of that either. Anyway, this detective should sign up for mentoring. It might make him feel better.
9/21/2010 01:04:00 AM
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You are right "Mentoring is should not be an assigned job". But I do believe that it is the job of the FLOP to help with the public image of the police/flop. Someone to help push the positive image of our causes so that if we needed help & support we might get the public behind us.
I do know that the CFFU/Local 2 has a position for that, and they do alot of things that put them in good lite with the public.
I read his letter. What a complete and total asshole you are detective. If I ever see you on this job, I will never acknowledge you. You're not really one of us. You sold your soul. Hope you're happy.
To: 9/21/2010 12:19:00 AM
"A1 detective says it all. Bunch of whiny chumps working upstairs."
That probably came from someone who is crying about not being promoted to detective...ASSHOLE.
Anonymous said...
Zorn who?
9/21/2010 03:11:00 AM
Wasn't that the creature in Sigourney Weaver's refrigerator in Ghostbusters?
Let's get this stright right now , he never served in the armed forces he was civilan contractor. Shame on him for letting people think otherwise while collected a cool 150 k tax free. He never scene an american killed, only an iraqi police officer! You want truth Dave u tell the truth !
Looks like the retribution has begun. All Detectives in Units detail 90 days in the areas. 90 days? Ok, the checks in the mail, 90 days = forever.
what branch of the service were you in dave? what was your MOS? do are soldiers make $150,000 a year tax free to be police in iraq? tell us the truth audy murphy.
Dave how would you suggest going about mentoring the youths? Maybe with the iron fist you used in 007? Just asking? You could just have easily been sitting were Cozzi is jerkoff! Shut your mouth and stay out of JFEDS Office.
Geez, how many Merit promotions do you think this ought to be worth ???????
Detective, you have a long way to go before you can call yourself the real police, It doesn't happen over night . I guess we'll be seeing you on the merit lists !
SCC, I understand that you also believe that the Det's views are from the minority of the dept, and maybe they are. But that also means that for 10 years, in 5 different districts all over the city, that I have only worked with this so-called "minority". Only people who have the same views as me and The Det.?? I seriously doubt it. I believe that we are actually are the majority who just stand back, do their jobs, and let the louder minority malcontents speak.
(One of Two)
Thank you SCC for taking the time to address the letter I wrote to Donahue in a fair and balanced manner. It truly is appreciated. I expected to get beat up in the comments section (I actually thought it would be worse than it is) and will probably be shunned by many. But I did not hide behind the guise of writing anonymously. It's easy to embark on long diatribes when you letter or posting says "Anonymous" at the top. People are welcome to disagree with me, but at the very least they know who I am.
Let's clear a few things up since those that read the letter had an obviously biased eye and didn't take it for it's full context. To begin, if you read the caveats, you'll understand the letter was written in defense of no one. Weis has done plenty which I don't agree with and has hurt the morale of this department. That is a fact. The mayor has done even more. That is also a fact. When I get around to it I'll address the issue with them as well - with a letter, hand-delivered and signed, just as I did this one. Perhaps they'll both just ignore me, as Donahue has. Which leads into the second caveat - The "real police" comment so many people have a problem with. I have made phone calls to the Union which are never returned. I went to meetings. I tried to get across ideas. I was either completely ignored or dismissed as young and not knowing anything. I felt the need to beat Donahue to the punch this time because I knew exactly what his response would be: that I was some young malcontent who didn't know anything. I am proud of my career with CPD just as any of us should be. That caveat was an attempt to silence Donahue in what I believed would be one of his many criticisms of me (perhaps it worked, he has yet to respond to anything I have written.) I still spend part of my day driving around 007, 008, and 009 answering calls and assisting when I can. It is one of the few things that gets me away from the pencil-pushing that goes with assignment in the D-unit. Believe me, I'm not complaining. Patrol has changed so much in the past 5 years (for the worse) it would be difficult to go back to. Those cars always have been, and always will be the backbone of this department.
What happened to Cozzi was wrong. Agreed. He was afforded the same opportunities as anyone accused of a crime and a punishment was agreed upon. He accepted that punishment and it should have been a done deal. Unfortunately it wasn't. Weis claims he was not responsible for that; many believe he was. I'm sure we'll never know the full truth. Regardless of the responsible party I believe that marching at our HQ was the wrong venue to address the issue. Are we dangerously short on manpower? YES. Is it felt throughout the department? YES. Have officers suffered, been injured and killed because of it? YES. Is this completely unacceptable? YES. Is a march on police HQ the proper venue for this? Again, I don't believe so. Let's take the issue to the Mayor who controls the money, and who continues to spend the City into an insane deficit planting trees while officers work alone on midnights. This is unaccepteable. Could my list of discontent continue on for several paragraphs - certainly. But it does not change the fact I believe a march on our very HQ was the wrong venue to show this discontent. That action, more than anything (covered on every major media outlet in the City, suburbs, and some national outlets) did more to show we are not unified. Especially with a turnout of approximately 300.
As an aside - to those who did show up for the protest: I applaud you for having the courage to show your face and stand up for what you believe in. While I may disagree with the choice of venue I admire what it took to get out there in front of the cameras. You were true to yourself and that is more important than any contract we will ever receive.
(Two of Two)
As for me posturing for any kind of promotion or union presidency - completely not the case. I was promoted to the position of detective (as I have been reminded it's not a rank - sorry to those it offended) based on my test score and hope my score on other tests will afford me the same opportunity. I have no intention of running for Donahue's job. In my opinion, that position should be filled by someone like Shields, who genuinely cares about issues facing police officers and has the fortitude to take the city and union to task for issues he believes affect us. Has anyone else noticed the union no longer publishes his work in the newsletter? Strange how things work at the union. Donahue is on the way out so suddenly he finds his voice and speaks up for the men and women who elected him? A serious, well-liked possible opponent appears and suddenly their voice is stricken from the newsletter which our dues support? Tell me now, who is posturing...
The ideas contained in the letter were just that - ideas. Something Donahue has not brought to the table in tenure with the union - which I belive spans well over a decade. No new ideas on how to keep us safe other than to say we need to hire more officers. Of course we do - but no one at HQ has the power to do that. The union is quick to claim healthcare at 55 as one if it's achievements. Very true - but it is geared to save the City millions and there is no way this would have happened had it not saved the City money. I hope to take advantage of the benefit one day, but it did not put more police on the street. If we saved the City millions of dollars, why did we not demand that more police be hired with at least part of the savings? Donahue was looking for any victory he could get - and we should all see how short-sighted he is and quick to point fingers. I genuinely hope the next union president fights for the police for their entire tenure as Donahue has pretended to do during his twilight days...
As always, agree or disagree, you know who I am...
3:38, please don't blog drunk.
3:39, you also signed anonymous
The main point here is that he used Eric Zorn to push his point across. That is just about as appropriate as hiring Bill Ayers to do a seminar on terrorism. Our union isn't great, its also not the worst. It will never be great when we have to deal with the city. Maybe we need a referendum that one running for the union has to have some labor management classes etc. and take the "he is a good guy" equation out of the election.
A1 detective says it all. Bunch of whiny chumps working upstairs.
9/21/2010 12:19:00 AM
Signed,
The retarded tact guy downstairs that doesn't know shit about ILCS and can't understand why he can't get felony charges for his misdemeanor arrest.
There are many who disagree with several of the opinions expressed in Det. David Demato's letter which is normal and in a democracy, quite healthy.
I am writing to address the several posters who allege Dave is a "house mouse" of a PO or that he is "bucking" for a promotion.
My name is Steven Cieciel and I have worked with Dave Demato in A/1, for several years. I have always observed Dave to be a worker and he has many, many times volunteered to help other Dets when they needed extra assistance. I did not work with Dave when he was in 007, but have often talked to his old partners and ALL have agreed he is a "stand up guy".
I have never heard Dave agree to do anything to help get a "Merit" promotion, nor do I think that he would.
I believe Dave is a man with a strong code of beliefs and the willingness to put his name behind his opinion.
Whether you agree or disagree with him, read his entire letter and think about it. If you disagree with it, logically explain why.
Thanks
As my final posting on this issue, and perhaps the one I take great offense to, will be this: To Mr. Anonymous - do not comment on something you know nothing about. I never claimed to be in the military. Anyone who knows me is aware that I have nothing but respect and admiration for members of our armed services. I am a proud supporter of the USO and VFW and take every opportunity to shake the hand of a soldier in uniform. It is because of their sacrifice that we enjoy the freedoms we do today, including the freedom to disagree with me.
To clarify: I was contracted to the Dept. of State to train Iraqi Police officers. I volunteered for this duty for several reasons; money was not one of them. With a salary of approx. $110k per year (not the 150 Mr. Anonymous claims) I worked between 12-16 hours a day, 7 days a week so I could save a month's leave time. That time was broken up travelling home to take part 1 and 2 of the Sergent's exam. Figure out the math and I made less than $25 an hour - a wage which many P.O.s would shun for a side job and less than I made with CPD. Don't talk about what you don't know, please.
As for what I experienced while overseas - how dare you belittle the work we did in support of the military or the loss of life that everyone overseas experienced. In a group of 70 friends that deployed with me I lost 5 of them to IED's, small arms fire, and a helicopter crash. In Samarra I had the unique experience in that DoS personnel both worked with and lived among our Iraqi counterparts in the city itself in a police compound. Of just under 500 police officers I lost over 60 in less than a year. Do the math and figure out the percentage and imagine if that were CPD. These are people that I lived with, patrolled with, and eventually became friends with. I wasn't aware, Mr. Anonymous, that a friend's life is worth less depending on their nationality. When I had opportunity to pass through a base I attended every ceremony for fallen soldiers that I could, whether I knew them personally or not. Some I did know, many more I did not. Mr. Anonymous - DO NOT belittle the work contractors did to support the military; our lives were worth no less than a soldier's. A friend is a friend - regardless of their skin color or language they speak. Most important - DO NOT comment on something you know nothing about. If you have the courage to come ask me about my experience I will be glad to grab a drink and share stories and pictures the media wouldn't. Only then can you pass judgement on someone's personal experience. You know where to find me should you care to learn...
As for me posturing for any kind of promotion or union presidency - completely not the case. I was promoted to the position of detective (as I have been reminded it's not a rank - sorry to those it offended) based on my test score and hope my score on other tests will afford me the same opportunity. I have no intention of running for Donahue's job. In my opinion, that position should be filled by someone like Shields, who genuinely cares about issues facing police officers and has the fortitude to take the city and union to task for issues he believes affect us. Has anyone else noticed the union no longer publishes his work in the newsletter? Strange how things work at the union. Donahue is on the way out so suddenly he finds his voice and speaks up for the men and women who elected him? A serious, well-liked possible opponent appears and suddenly their voice is stricken from the newsletter which our dues support? Tell me now, who is posturing...
You've got to be kidding"Detective". I have not missed a meeting in 3 years. You have never came and spoke at a meeting and if you have as you claim then sight the month and year because there is a record of it. As for your friend Shields. Is this the way that you conduct investigations in Area 1. Shields has been in every newsletter except one in the last 18 months. Please check your newsletters. If you don't have them then check on-line or go to the union. Shields was a meatball in 011. Go to a meeting and get facts. Then and only then can you know the truth. Eric Zorn Pleaseeeeee!!!
The "Real Police" don't deal with Zorn. You are the "real police " like shields is!
Hello. My name is Mike Vogenthaler and I am a Chicago Police Detective. I admit I am not an avid reader of the blog or as involved in union business as I should be.
The thing I wanted to address is the tone taken here against one of OUR own. It doesn't matter if you agree with Det DeMatos letter or not. If you disagree, you should say so in a polite manner, state your reasons and sign your name. Calling Det DeMato an asshole or jagoff for stating his ideas makes us ALL look bad. If you feel the need to speak to him in that manner, it should be done in person. I personally don't agree with everything the letter says, but I do defend Det DeMatos wright to say it.
Tearing each other down is never a good thing in a job such as ours where things can go wrong with 0 notice, I think we should try to support each other more and leave petty name calling out of the public realm, such as this blog.
As for the term "real police", I don't think Det DetMato ment he was better than any of us. I think the point he was trying to make was that he was the "working police". May just a poor choice of words.
Thanks for your time
I think that the negative comments about the detective are unfair at best, especially the ones directed to his experience in Iraq. That job is not worth the money because of the long hours , poor working condtions and the danger. If you have not walked in his shoes, shut the fuck up!
And for those who like to put detectives down, I detect a little jealousy there. It is a rank, just as real as any other, it is an exempt rank by exam and by merit pick, you are issued a different star and it is pensionable. And, one of the best jobs I had in the department before I retired. As I have said in previous posts, I do not know this sergeant, I do not like Zorn, but I have to stand behind the letter writer as should all of you whether you agree with him or not. The divisons can run deep in the department and hinder any progress, the establishment knows this and exploits it for their benefit. Please keep that in mind.
I think that the negative comments about the detective are unfair at best, especially the ones directed to his experience in Iraq. That job is not worth the money because of the long hours , poor working condtions and the danger. If you have not walked in his shoes, shut the fuck up!
And for those who like to put detectives down, I detect a little jealousy there. It is a rank, just as real as any other, it is an exempt rank by exam and by merit pick, you are issued a different star and it is pensionable. And, one of the best jobs I had in the department before I retired. As I have said in previous posts, I do not know this sergeant, I do not like Zorn, but I have to stand behind the letter writer as should all of you whether you agree with him or not. The divisons can run deep in the department and hinder any progress, the establishment knows this and exploits it for their benefit. Please keep that in mind.
Why is is okay to bitch about man power, but then leave for a year basically to become a mercenary. You leave all of us at CPD short and then you go make $125,000 tax free. No wonder you didn't march. You are part of the problem. Go work out with weis, loser
Vogie, my rocket imploded. . . I won't be returning to B&A. Sadly. Ka-Boom!
To Mike Vogenthaler:
Well said.
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