They Weren't Lying, Were They?
A lawyer abruptly withdrew Friday from representing a Northwestern University journalism professor in a court battle with Cook County prosecutors.
Richard O'Brien, a partner with the law firm of Sidley Austin, didn't say why he was stepping down as counsel for David Protess but told the judge he had been incorrect when he previously said all the promised documents had been turned over to the state's attorney's office.
"Upon further investigation, I've determined that is not completely accurate," O'Brien, who had been hired by the university, told Circuit Judge Diane Cannon.
- Prosecutors found the evidence unconvincing. But when McKinney's attorneys sought to overturn his conviction in 2008, the state's attorney sparked a controversy by subpoenaing the students' grades as well as their notes, memos and recordings of witness interviews.
Call us cynical, but it sounds like the students and professor lied to their attorney, the attorney found out, then removed himself from the case after giving the judge a heads up that his clients were a bit less than truthful about their documentation.
From there, it's just a tiny leap to wonder if the documentation that didn't get turned over might be something along the lines of manufactured evidence? What other reason could there be for withholding documents a judge has ordered to be turned over? It isn't illogical to guess it's something so damaging that the defendants are better off trying to avoid it even seeing the light of day because it would end up tainting any cases, past, present or future, that the "Wrongful Conviction" people might be working on.
From there, it's just a tiny leap to wonder if the documentation that didn't get turned over might be something along the lines of manufactured evidence? What other reason could there be for withholding documents a judge has ordered to be turned over? It isn't illogical to guess it's something so damaging that the defendants are better off trying to avoid it even seeing the light of day because it would end up tainting any cases, past, present or future, that the "Wrongful Conviction" people might be working on.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
62 Comments:
Wait, are you implying an educator at one of the 'premier' universities in America and his students may have lied and manipulated the judicial system just to further their liberal agendas?
OMG, Shocking!
Say what you will about Anita Alvarez but at least she is taking on these lying scumbag communists. liberal extremists who are subsidized by our tax dollars to bust convicted murderers out of prison with their fabricated bullshit and anti-police lies.
hey msf, thanks for teasing us i on 3rd watch in 011 by saying that 11dubs is on his way to be a vaulted member of the "44's", only to find out 12 hours later that his order to go to msf had been rescinded. dam no we are stuck with him and his pity party. hope he reup's his meds. cause if he doesnt its gonna be hell for the next 3 weeks for anyone in the 20sector (except of course 1122 and 1125 his motorcycle buddies)
Hope the States Attorney continues to go after Professor Protess and his pack of liars. This could get interesting.
"From there, it's just a tiny leap to wonder if the documentation that didn't get turned over might be something along the lines of manufactured evidence?"
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You're absolutely correct on this one. Once a lawyer discovers his clients are committing perjury or planning on perjuring themselves, he will recuse himself from the case.
Nice stain for Nortwestern's School of Journalism.
I've had judge cannon before. She's pretty good and knows bs when it's in front of her. The lawyer saw the writing on the wall.
put them in prison, like they would a copper.
Every single one of those students should be banned from ever practicing law. Not an ethical one among them, including their professor.
You could be right.
You could be wrong.
It's a theory and a logical one, but sometimes theories are wrong.
Ask the Will County States Attorney about some of his theories.
Ask Superfreakihead Weis about the two officers who were "absolved" of naughtiness last week because of GPS.
Let's see how this plays out.
Uh, what I meant was...
Every single one of those students should be banned from ever practicing law. Not an ethical one among them, including their professor.
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Well it's a good thing they're journalism students then, isn't it? Read the links moron.
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Every single one of those students should be banned from ever practicing law. Not an ethical one among them, including their professor.
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Well it's a good thing they're journalism students then, isn't it? Read the links moron.
10/24/2010 04:59:00 AM
I wouldn't let them operate on me either!
Read the comments to the article. These people are clueless. They must be coming up with conspiracy theories while high.
What's the name of that day when they all drop acid and take mushrooms at NU?
Indictments should follow and then it is time for the SAO to take a look at what Jon Loevy and Flint Taylor have been doing.
Will the media follow up on this story? Idoubt it!
Holy Crap! Looks like this guy might be an actual honest attorney.
We need to see if this guy can sit second chair and help us on some of our issues.
Saw an early AP version of this story online yesterday. That story said Northwestern had witheld 'Hundreds of pages of documents' and Protess had 'retained a criminal defence attorney to protect his interests'
That article disappeared later in the day. hmmmm.
This is only the tip of the ice berg...Every one of the core students that have worked with this same professor over the last 4 years should be made to give a deposition under oath and ASAP.
Subpeonas for every one.
And then let us tie any other cases to this unethical lot.
And this professor...BAWHAHAHAHA!
It is time for lawyers to go to jail as they have pulling this BS for years! Including Flint & Company.
Gee amazing the LAWYERS LIE!!!! You willsee what they did was not honest, and Protess and the other JAGOFFS have the nerve to questionn the detectives integrity and investigative techniques.
you mean you can't buy false testimony? rule one kids: the beast always rats.
Hey 12.16,,,,,Don't forget Barry Obama was an educator at a premier university and manipulated the systems to further his liberal agenda.
Vote every incumbent out in a week.
Where do the best liars and the brightest illusionists go?
Northwestern or Columbia?
Whats the difference, BS is BS.
I'm sure you're parents are proud...if only you could get a job and move out...
Ultra liberals on a mission, lying to further their agenda. Say it aint so. Actually very typical.
Don't forget to re-interview witnesses who change their testimony after 25 years....Money, favors, etc. ?
What qualifications do these law students posess and what is their poloitical agenda. ?
Law Professors? Remember those that cannot do...teach
Precisely how many overturned convictions has that professor been a part of?
Nice stain for Nortwestern's School of Journalism.
10/24/2010 12:37:00 AM
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LOL..."journalism". There used to be a standard of integrity for journalists. The media in general had a code of ethics to remain unbiased and report news, not become news or spew propoganda.
Over the last 40 years, give or take, the media has devolved into a far-left propaganda organ, less concerned with delivering news than furthering the lefts aganda. Anyone with a shred of honesty, whatever their beliefs, knows that to be true. Reading almost any news story today one can consistently observe leftist opinions and manipulations embedded in alleged "news" writings and not identified but rather treated as immpartial information.
It's sickening, and probably as big of a contributor to the fall of our society as anything else.
My kid wants to be a scary monster for Halloween, any suggestions on a good mask?
Time for the Ivory Tower to fall. I hope they do jail time. They deserve it. They create all kinds of bullshit studies and statistics that you can wipe your ass with for their usefulness but erroneously affect workplaces, employees, corporations and government policy. They need to function in the real world. All assholes. No wonder the media is fucked up in Chicago. They have professors with no ethics or values teaching them.
---not a cop
p.s. if some of those students were as smart as they thing they are, they'd write a story about this and throw their professor under the bus.
1120 was recently transferred to MSF and then dumped back to 011 within a 12 hour span. Although anyone who knows of him would see why the decision was made. Why I ask, is he apparently "capable" of being in Patrol, but not seen fit to lead a team of 8-10 officers? What red flags or issues are there that differentiate the qualifications between supervisors in patrol or units?
It's very telling that the civil attorneys are withdrawing and Professor Protess and his investigator are now asking for criminal defense attorneys to be appointed to represent them. Tom Breen just filed his appearance on behalf of the investigator Sergio Seratella. Why do you need criminal defense attorneys Professor Protess? Did you realize that Anita Alvarez is about to get ya?
This should be pursued to the nth degree. The supposedly "wrongly convicted" are as guilty as sin, and made off with tons of taxpayer dollars based on the lies of Mr. Protess and his poor misguided students who have had their heads filled with left wing, liberal communist bullshit. Protess, Flint Taylor and Locke Bowman ought to be indicted and tried for any number of crimes. Don't let this die, this is a battle that must be won.
Students are going to be disbarred. Some before they even pass the bar.
Good luck, kiddies. I hope it was fun pushing your teacher's fraud around. But since most of you moved onto law school when you realized your BS journalism degree from Northwestern didn't mean shit in the real world, you will soon pay the piper. Good luck passing your ARDC background check after lying to a Cook County Criminal Court in a death penalty case. It's really a shame you tossed quarter million dollar education into the trash.
And you think that media companies will give you a job after this? CBS Chicago just hired back two 70 year old men to do the news. The local papers will be out of business in two years. Your only salvation...blogging. Unfortunately it won't pay enough to offset your hundred grand in loans.
To the students of the good professor, take this advice from a cop. The first of you who comes clean will get the best deal. Welcome to the real world, kids.
It's a wonderful thing.
Try, convict and send every last one of them to prison for many years with maximum prejudice and malicious, punitive intent.
It's good enough for the Police so it should be good enough for them.
Willful untruths by commission and omission? Witholding and or manufacturing evidence?
Naawwww! That is supposedly the sole provence of the "dirty and corrupt" Police who had a hand in putting the dead dogs in question in prison in the first damn place.
(We pause to wish a special "Rot In Hell" to the Wilson Brothers and their counsellors...)
American academia is beshat and rotten to the core with this liberal, yellow-pinky Trotskyite agenda to undermine the institution of law.
They've pretty much succeeded in destroying the judiciary already by which we have an example drawn in vivid colors by virtue of the Cook County and Illinois court systems and by proxy, the U.S. judiciary thanks to the "hollow man" aka "president sparklefarts" on order of his masters and creators, Daley Inc.
Defanging the courts and heaping bullshit, leftist fuckery and other nonsense into the gears of Policing, read like a playbook for the great leftist dumb-down and general pussification of America.
These so called intellectuals are completely divorced from reality and hard-eyed common sense so as to push their vision of utopia.
Not everybody is worth saving. Some people don't want to save themselves and will drag everyone else under the waves with them but the lefties have spent this country into oblivion trying to prop up and sustain the unsustainable.
As an old time, Westside REAL MINISTER & Veteran (Doctorate in Religious Education) once mentioned in regard to the mayhem... "The people laughed at Noah when he built the Ark. Funny how they were screaming, hollering and beating on the door to be let in when the water started rising. Some folks just need a good leaving behind."
God Bless him. He told the truth!
We venture that even in death, he's grateful to not see what's happening.
Until the people shake off the narcotic influence of "hopium" (Thanks Kass) this country and every honorable institution in it will be destroyed.
We fear the seeds have been planted for another Civil War or World War if an immediated course of correction isn't taken.
History is ruthless... It's full of the same lessons that people continue to ignore and fail to apply. Are we really witnessing the decline of American Civilization?
They should all be sued in civil court by all the coppers they lied about and put through hell in the process.
Ladies and gentlemen, wake up and seen the democratic party for what it is: a dangerous leftwing liberal machine, trying hard everyday to chip away at our rights and push their socialist agenda.
Keep a very close eye on billionaire George Soros, who in the past has spent millons to try and frame elections for the liberal left wing dems, and is now trying to buy off journalists with million dollar donations to try and silence the right.
More likely to be evidence which incriminates their client. They aren't kid lawyers. They're kid journalists.
Protess=liar but not very smart. There is a trail of embarassing stuff.
Hey, Eric Zorn. Are your fingerprints on some of this? Just askikng, seeing as how that's the info. Out of the loop on this, Zorn? Just stay focused on one thing at a time, man.
Lets hope this incident re opens some of the cases that led to that idiot Ryan releasing them from custody, especially the one of Madison Hobley.
If Alvarez gets that overpaid child killing murdering bastard Hobley back up on charges, she will be the only democrat that will have my vote for life.
Every single one of those students should be banned from ever practicing law. Not an ethical one among them, including their professor.
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Well it's a good thing they're journalism students then, isn't it? Read the links moron.
I did fool. The law students for Northwestern's center on wrongful convictions knew of the contradictory documents that were collected but still went forth. Read the entire article you inbred fool.
My God!!!An institution of higher learning having a professor and students manipulating the system for publicity making them seem righteous?Fuck all these jag-bags, hope it bites them in the ass good.
It's a sad but true, the people who are attracted to journalism and law are many times lefty's and are very interested in changing this country from what it is to what they would like it to be.
The city of Chicago does this ALL THE TIME,
"Reading almost any news story today one can consistently observe leftist opinions and manipulations embedded in alleged "news" writings and not identified but rather treated as immpartial information.
It's sickening, and probably as big of a contributor to the fall of our society as anything else."
At least I know I am not the only one who sees the media for what it is.
My kid wants to be a scary monster for Halloween, any suggestions on a good mask?
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j-fled comes to mind
So if 1120 was on MSF not only would Zone 10 be a better place but he would get a chance to annoy multiple zones & citywide frequencies with his awful droning voice and lacking wit.
These "students" are nothing more than stooges of unscrupulous authority figures that have anti-establishment and anti-police views and motives.
I'm glad that at least one attorney out there has the balls to do the right thing and not suborn perjury.
I can't wait to see Protess doing a perp walk for the TV cameras.
"My kid wants to be a scary monster for Halloween, any suggestions on a good mask?"
Find a picture of J-Fled's face on the web. Have it enlarged at Wal-grees. Cut out eye holes, use rubber bands to hold in place.
You could also put one of your old police shirts on the kid, over his coat. That would be the scariest monster I can think of.
Sorry to all you 11th district troopers but AZ got lujacked back to you by IAD since his background in questionable. Everyone coming in has to be cleared thru the boyz in IAD. If you only got to know him just a little better and helped him understand things and take him to dinner and call him to your jobs for his take on something then you could understand good old AZ. A MSF SGT.
Hey, if these students are passing themselves off as "investigators", they should be turning over any "discovery" just like the dics and anyone else doing an investigation. That should include any notes, interviews, etc. Furthermore, if their grade is contingent on them getting the felon out, then their grades should be turned over as well. For once I say kudos to the ASA for playing hardball with these libtards.
Dear CCSA Alvarez:
Here is how Northwestern's Law School/Center for Wrongful Convictions scammed the public and the criminal justice system, and allowed certain civil trial attorneys, mainly Loevy and Loevy, Flint Taylor,the Peoples Law Office, Terry Ekl, and others, out of millions of dollars in lawsuits.
Piggyback off the bad reputation of Jon Burge
Employ " writers" such as John Conroy to blemish the reputation of police and prosecutors, and engender anti police public sentiment, securing a favorable pool of police hating juries for trial purposes.
Force the city into settlements in order to avoid embarrassing the mayor:
Once judgements and settlements are obtained, funnel proceeds back to trial attorneys, compromised corporation counsels, and aldermen as well as Northwestern.
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Every single one of those students should be banned from ever practicing law. Not an ethical one among them, including their professor.
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Well it's a good thing they're journalism students then, isn't it? Read the links moron.
Ooh my! Somebody is a little hostile. Forget to take your meds today?
I hope these arrogant ultra left douchebags get thrown into general population when they get convicted.
"'I wanted to go the extra mile to protect my student's interests,' Protess said. 'When my students do reporting, they turn in memos to me for the purpose of getting an evaluation and a grade. They don't turn it in with the expectation that they will be fodder for (trial) discovery.'"
Welcome to the big leagues, kids.
The very fact that they're trying to free convicted criminals should tell them that all of their notes, memos, and papers ARE the subject of discovery.
This isn't merely college anymore, it's the real world.
Dumbasses.
I just don't believe it. The school of journalism does not have justice at the heart of its mission.
That professor is a prima donna and his students live in an isolated world. I hope that the truth of this story gets printed by the other media vanguards of democracy and justice, but knowing them, they won't cover much of the story, or cover it truthfully.
Let me see what is that they always accuse us of? Oh, yeah, the blue code of silence. Fuck them. The newspapers have society fooled about how lily white they are.
I really hope the truth of this story come to full light.
Anonymous "44-Dubs" sounded soooo good said...
1120 was recently transferred to MSF and then dumped back to 011 within a 12 hour span. Although anyone who knows of him would see why the decision was made. Why I ask, is he apparently "capable" of being in Patrol, but not seen fit to lead a team of 8-10 officers? What red flags or issues are there that differentiate the qualifications between supervisors in patrol or units?
10/24/2010 11:27:00 AM
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Who's going in his place?
"... Are we really witnessing the decline of American Civilization?
10/24/2010 12:43:00 PM"
Yes; yes we are.
Anonymous said...
My kid wants to be a scary monster for Halloween, any suggestions on a good mask?
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j-fled comes to mind
10/24/2010 06:06:00 PM
I cn go one better:
Mayor Daley with an " I was just kidding aout quitting" mask.
Anonymous said... Anonymous "44-Dubs" sounded soooo good said... 1120 was recently transferred to MSF and then dumped back to 011 within a 12 hour span Although anyone who knows of him would see why the decision was made. Why I ask, is he apparently"capable" of being in Patrol, but not seen fit to lead a team of 8-10 officers? What red flags or issues are there that differentiate the qualifications between supervisors in patrol or units? 10/24/2010 11:27:00 AM
------- Who's going in his place? 10/25/2010 03:36:00 AM
T/S is going instead
I remember the one guy was released from prison after the investigator from the Northwestern University Center for wrongful convictions got another guy to confess to the crime. The new offender, when he eventually got to court, plead not-guilty and said his confession was coerced by the investigator. Protess replied "nonsense."
When the police get a false confession the police are evil bastards. But when the NCWC gets a false confession it is apparently the offender's fault.
WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND I GUESS.
The lawyer cannot sell out his client but he HAS TO WITHDRAW. Its an ethics thing.
Holy Crap! Looks like this guy might be an actual honest attorney.
We need to see if this guy can sit second chair and help us on some of our issues.
10/24/2010 08:28:00 AM
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He's not honest. If he gets caught withholding discovery he gets in trouble. He's afraid.
Ah Biffy and Lance,northwestern students living off trust funds and daddys money, with the che tshirts and rasta hats, denouncing the man, and all those poor oppressed peoples so what if we bent the rules. We're right. We're better than you. Because our professor told us so. What do you mean we have to turn over our papers,what do you mean I could go to prison for perjury,and face lots of lawsuits. Sometimes yes sometimes reality smacks you in the head like Gallagher hitting a watermelon.
Attention NU students: In case you have not figured it out, listing your work on the "Innocense Project" at the prestigious NU Law School or Medill School of Journalism may not be a resume enhancer. Lots of laughs idiots.
Continuing my post, check out "NU Innocense Project" on web. They have their own website where you can donate and also an alumni tab. Someone needs to watch these watchers of truth and justice. These people are hilarious. Now fork over your records Protess or you can find out what contempt of court is all about in the rear world. Asshat tool.
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