Media Picks Up on Residency
- The heads of the Chicago police and firefighter unions are commenting today on how the residency ruling for mayoral candidate Rahm Emanuel might affect the rule requiring city workers to live within the city limits.
Mark Donahue, the president of the Fraternal Order of Police, says he’s tried for the past few years to get the legislature to change the law so Chicago police could go to the bargaining table with the city and negotiate over whether police could live in the suburbs. Donahue says the FOP will make that legislative push again this session.
Donahue says he doesn’t know whether any legal connection can be made between yesterday’s Illinois Supreme Court ruling for Emanuel and the city’s employment rule.
Chicago Firefighter Union leader Tom Ryan says he’s had members who’ve lost their jobs because they didn’t live in the city of Chicago. He says he doesn’t know whether yesterday’s Illinois Supreme Court ruling will have a bearing on those or any other cases.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
62 Comments:
"We had no idea that there was so much support for police and firefighters leaving the city."
Fuck 'em. I will do less and less for the citizens, move way the hell away from here, and rent my house to a dope dealin' gang-bangin' piece of shit from 005, 006, 007, 010, 011, 015. Then lets see how much my "Neighbors" will miss me.
Yeah, but there are cops who think they will lose value on their homes if residency is lifted.
Delusional thinking. Cops don't mean as much to a neighborhood as they think. A small percentage of city workers would leave. No big deal.
Other issues that should be addressed.
OUT of GRADE PAY to be PENSIONABLE.
This would encourage the city to make more timely promotions an rely less on "actors". Contributions by personnel could be voluntary or returnable like when someone gives up a paygrade.
RETIRED OFFICERS TO BE COMPENSATED WHEN THEY ARE CALLED TO COURT TO TESTIFY.
Cold cases and DNA hits are bringing long lost offenders to justice after the cops involved have pulled to pin. It's not just a matter of "just don't answer the phone" or dodging subpoenas. There are cases I would like to see closed before they close my casket. I'd just like to get paid for it.
Donahue doesn't know!? He is clueless then. Anyone can make the connection from the decision. Duh. Emmanuel argued that by owning property that made him a resident. He even changed his tax declarations...so yes the connection be made. Now finding good lawyers and not regular FOP lawyers to fight his is key to winning. Perhaps we need to hire Emmanuel's lawyers :) they seem better then the current FOP all together. Good that this was brought up.
Lifting residency is what finished off Detroit.
It doesn't matter what the court says, the decision only applies to special people with political connections. Look to see the judges to get federal appointments or other sots after the smoke clears. Nothing will change for because these so called judges should have never even been lawyers in the first place. They apply the law as they see fit for their friends.
Yea thanks to Rahm and corrupt judges that opens the door to getting rid of anyone ever buying a city sticker again. You can now live here (why) and say youbare a resident somewhere else because you will eventually want to move there. Oops. Will work for auto insurance rates too!
"Abandoned by police, civilians step in to protect what they hold dearest against looting and lawlessness."
"Civilians armed with knives, axes, golf clubs, firebombs, metal bars and makeshift spears watched over many neighborhoods in the sprawling capital of 18 million this weekend, defending their families and homes against widespread looting and lawlessness."
Oh wait, that's not Chicago...yet.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/30/with-egyptian-police-absent-civilians-arm-themselves-to-protect/?icid=maing|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3|40261
Why negotiate ?
If the law will not stand, have it struck down.
I dont know about the average joe, but I would rather live with Cops on both sides of me and across the street than sec-8 hood rats, bangers, dope boys, baby mama and her new man, various ghetto heads etc. After all, I would prefer to surround myself with people that have passed backround checks and take regular drug tests. Call me conservative but this would seem to be the less risk of coming home from work to find my TV stolen. If I ever decide to buy into a Chicago 'hood (and im not), you had best believe I would try to go where CPD and CFD goes. I dont care if someone has a brat kid, that can happen anywhere.
When Chico is in residency is a mute issue. He will put an end to it and we will be out.
Mark Donahue, the president of the Fraternal Order of Police, says he’s tried for the past few years to get the legislature to change the law so Chicago police could go to the bargaining table with the city and negotiate over whether police could live in the suburbs. Donahue says the FOP will make that legislative push again this session.
Yea Ok sure Mark. and were you under shortshanks desk when all this took place?
All I know after reading the comments on the Channel 2 link is that those people are really stupid. They must be Daley's voters.
I think the difference here is the fact that Rahm left the City of Chicago to go and work in Washington BUT kept his Chicago home. Paid taxes on it, and returned to it when he decided, or Obama decided he should run for mayor.
If we get to move to the suburbs then are we willing to keep our Chicago home like he did.
Can't confirm this for sure, but it is rumored that Rahm, likely to be the next Mayor, ran into a couple of officers at an L Train stop the other day. The officers asked him about the pension plan and he basically stated that he is not going to lie to them yes he will probably reduce the pension in fact we might be lucky if he gives us back the money we put in. Why is F.O.P sitting on their azz, making us look like the bad guys, when we have contributed our share to the pension fund for years, while the city has dodged their end and mismanaged our money. With Rahm it's going to be the same old BS and maybe even worse. Hopefully city workers and family members show this political clown that is riding off the President’s coat tell that the entire city does not back him for Mayor.
Get yourself an apartment building. You can rent out your unit, as long as you intend to return, problem solved. I've seen abandoned buildings in englewood going for less than 10k. I saw a 6flat in 003 for 36k, if you fix it up you will make money on the deal and can live in the burbs legally.
Not even elected to office yet and Rahm is fucking the city up.
-not a cop
A few things to ponder if the Res Rule is lifted: what happens when whole neighborhoods full of homes go on sale all at once?
Prices plummet, people sell at a loss just to get the hell out before "they" move in. See Chicago's South and West Sides, circa 1960-1975.
So, if the city lifts its rule, and the large percentage of cops and firemen and city workers (CFCWs) now clustered in the far northwest and southwest sides pack up the minivans to head for Oak Lawn and Niles, when CFCWs come into the city to work daily, they'll have several more crappy neighborhoods to deal with. Might make redistricting an easier sell, though, without the CFCWs keeping heat on their aldremen to keep cops in their districts.
Second, what happens when so many homes all go on the market in this shitty economy? Will there even be buyers? Realtors are putting up For Sale signs nowadays with permanent concrete foundations they're gonna be there that long. CFCWs might put their bungalows and ranch-styles on the market and never get a buyer.
But I don't think this would happen, because as much as many CFCWs want to leave the city, lots of their spouses and kids don't. People have connections to neighborhood institutions--parish, school, merchants, bartenders, neighbors, friends--and won't all want to just up and go.
But I'd bet we'll never know. Chico and Rahm saying they'd "discuss" the issue is just an attempt to get some votes.
Under this decision any city worker can absoluteley rent their property out and reside in the burbs with the "intention" of returning back to the city some day. We all know Rahm would still be living in DC if Daley didn't decide to retire.
The problem with the comparison is that Rahm was not working for the city of Chicago while he lived in Washington.
THINK TWICE.
Lifting residency may look good but wait til you have to start commuting in rush hour.
And you better look at what you you going to pay in property taxes - AND WATER BILLS.
Living in the suburbs costs money - a lot more than what you think.
You're not going to get a home in Hinsdale or Western Springs, maybe Berwyn. Check not only the house prices - check the property taxes.
There are no bargains out there.
As they say - the grass looks greener on the other side. It isn't - it just costs more money.
Set my people free!
Lifting residency is what finished off Detroit.
1/31/2011 12:28:00 AM
Your a moron! The demise of Drtroit was the failure of American Industry and white flight. The only two places in the US with residency are Chicago and Milwaukee. The rest of country seems to be doing pretty darn well without forcing city workers to live in the cities/towns that they work in.
Anonymous said...
I think the difference here is the fact that Rahm left the City of Chicago to go and work in Washington BUT kept his Chicago home. Paid taxes on it, and returned to it when he decided, or Obama decided he should run for mayor.
If we get to move to the suburbs then are we willing to keep our Chicago home like he did.
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Sure. Me and my 10 closest friends will buy a $20,000
shack in 007, where we all intend to move when our kids are out of school in 18 years.
Not sure the ruling had anything to do with our residency. Wasnt it a narrow ruling specific to a right to run for mayor or vote, nothing to do with having to reside in a city to keep a job
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lifting residency is what finished off Detroit.
1/31/2011 12:28:00 AM
"finished off" as in the turkey was more than done and the last remnants of decent folks left. Residency for Detroit was lifted around 2004 and it was already a deep shit hole by then.
A cop buys a house in the suburbs, puts his shit into storage in the city and if caught says "I was just waiting for my kids to finish school, then I had every expectation to return."
Will it fly? Under this ruling it should.
You need a common sense residency requirement. 20 years on and you can move outside the city so you have time to sell your house and prepare for retirement.
Think about it, how much would you save in private school tuitions sending your kid to a non CPS school. Just a thought .....
..If we get to move to the suburbs then are we willing to keep our Chicago home like he did...
Get a dozen guys, lease a studio. Visit occasionally. Make sure you intend to move back after retirement.
12:28 is correct, unfortunately.
That said, I am actively recruiting former Officers who were terminated for residency to be parties to a class action suit being prepared by a well known labor attorney. This has the potential to win decades of back pay plus damages for your fellow Officers!
Do not allow your unions to negotiate this!
It will be won in the courts as a result of the recent Supreme Court decision involving Mr. Emanuel.
"Anonymous said...
Under this decision any city worker can absoluteley rent their property out and reside in the burbs with the "intention" of returning back to the city some day. We all know Rahm would still be living in DC if Daley didn't decide to retire.
1/31/2011 10:22:00 AM"
No, I don't think so. Rahm knows what is good for Rahm and nothing else. He sees what's coming and does not want to be on Obama's ship when it gets sunk.
Register and Vote. God save us from Rahm and the rest of them.
"We had no idea that there was so much support for police and firefighters leaving the city."
Fuck 'em. I will do less and less for the citizens, move way the hell away from here, and rent my house to a dope dealin' gang-bangin' piece of shit from 005, 006, 007, 010, 011, 015. Then lets see how much my "Neighbors" will miss me.
1/31/2011 12:09:00 AM
It's this "I'll Section 8 my house and wreck the block" threat -- repeated so very often here -- that makes people finally say "OK, do it. Shut up and just go -- and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out."
Heres how rahm won. He was not employed by the city. Police and fire are. Go try and move and see what happens before it is changed. You will be canned.
Fuck 'em. I will do less and less for the citizens, move way the hell away from here, and rent my house to a dope dealin' gang-bangin' piece of shit from 005, 006, 007, 010, 011, 015. Then lets see how much my "Neighbors" will miss me.
Good luck collecting rent, Your house will be trashed to. goof
Delusional thinking. Cops don't mean as much to a neighborhood as they think. A small percentage of city workers would leave. No big deal.
Wrong look in the mirror Delusional would be you. Far Northwest side would be in trouble.
Lifting residency is what finished off Detroit.
I agree- Some place like San Francisco are trying to get it back.
Yea thanks to Rahm and corrupt judges that opens the door to getting rid of anyone ever buying a city sticker again. You can now live here (why) and say youbare a resident somewhere else because you will eventually want to move there. Oops. Will work for auto insurance rates too!
1/31/2011 12:46:00 AM
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Dead wrong. Read the wheel tax law. But nice try and thanks for playing.
Anonymous said...
Can't confirm this for sure, but it is rumored that Rahm, likely to be the next Mayor, ran into a couple of officers at an L Train stop the other day. The officers asked him about the pension plan and he basically stated that he is not going to lie to them yes he will probably reduce the pension in fact we might be lucky if he gives us back the money we put in
****This is true. I am one of the Officers. He related to us that the city can not sustain the pension system as is and that we must work with him to help balance the cities financial deficit. To keep the pensions as is he would have to raise property taxes 90% or impliment a City Income Tax. He would like to lower our maximum pension of 75 % to 60 %. Thats ALL city pensions not just CPDs.
It will come down to, "did you have to live in the city of chicago to apply for the CPD?" No, you didnt have to move in until you got the job.
I know what the Rahm law says, but thats how it will be determined in the courts.
We're having a hard time reconciling the public hatred and disdain for The Police with the public concern and hand-wringing about where The Police live and raise their families.
Why so much concern about where a group of "overcompensated" insensitive, uncaring, brutal some-kind-of-phobes lay their heads?
We reckon it isn't enough to work a job that takes good years off your life and deprives your families and loved ones the comparative amount of time afforded to those who don't do trade in the grief, aggravation, anger and frustration peculiar to the institution of Chicago Policing?
Of course the smug, self satisfied and intellectually lazy response of "you knew what it would be like when you signed up" is conveniently trotted out during times like these.
Well...
We DID sign up to serve honorably and in good faith. Or at least to the point that conditions would allow.
We DID NOT sign up to be constantly maligned, mistreated, lied to, cheated and relegated to second class citizenship just because we wear a blue suit of clothes.
A dog will bite the shit out of you if you beat it regularly.
Men anywhere on this planet WILL push back if not FIGHT if they're constantly maligned, marginalized and told "fuck you and your concerns" repeatedly.
People easily forget that Policemen didn't fall from the sky. Policemen ARE a cross section of society.
Meh... so much easier to live in glass houses and fling bricks.
But again... Why so much concern about where we hang our hats?
Or are they actually afraid the hated Police are actually going to be able to pick up and leave them for the animals?
"How DARE they not care about us!"
"Keep the coppers here in the city, then they'll have a stake in the community."
But if the community is all in on the Daley Inc. media propaganda campaign of (rather well orchestrated to boot) of "fuck you and your concerns, you're why the city is broke/the country is in a depression/we're eating our 401K's/we're underwater on our house/crime is out of control," etc.
Should The Police get mad and fight back?
Or is that right and reasonable expectation only reserved for those who aren't Chicago Policemen?
"We'll destroy your lives and livelihoods, steal from you and deny you every bit of your humanity and dignity but we have rules that say you can't do anything about it but to grin and bear it."
Tell us how you really feel Chicago... Don't hold back on our accounts.
It would seem that the very idea of Chicago Policing has been killed by the citizens themselves.
Soon to be a quaint and archaic notion just like "taking back the streets."
Think about it, how much would you save in private school tuitions sending your kid to a non CPS school. Just a thought .....
I woulnt send my kids to a public school in the burbs either genious, assholes there too. See how much you save when your property taxes triple.
Geez and these politicians are crying nobody likes us, or that there extremists..........how bout people feed up with bullshit for them and a golden spoon for the "connected".
When you politicians push too hard and the shit hits the fan...... think I'll go fishing... maybe Montana
THINK TWICE.
Lifting residency may look good but wait til you have to start commuting in rush hour.
And you better look at what you you going to pay in property taxes - AND WATER BILLS.
Living in the suburbs costs money - a lot more than what you think.
You're not going to get a home in Hinsdale or Western Springs, maybe Berwyn. Check not only the house prices - check the property taxes.
There are no bargains out there.
As they say - the grass looks greener on the other side. It isn't - it just costs more money.
Hey knucklehead....I think most of us would rather pay 6-7000 dollars in taxes AND NOT pay school tuitions....you can use the schools, park district, thats what you pay taxes for. We can't use schools or parks in Chicago, and we pay pretty high taxes....thats what it's about.
Anonymous said...
12:28 is correct, unfortunately.
That said, I am actively recruiting former Officers who were terminated for residency to be parties to a class action suit being prepared by a well known labor attorney. This has the potential to win decades of back pay plus damages for your fellow Officers!
Do not allow your unions to negotiate this!
It will be won in the courts as a result of the recent Supreme Court decision involving Mr. Emanuel.
1/31/2011 02:55:00 PM
File a FOIA request with the City asking for all police officers/firefighters terminated for residency violations, pick your own time period.
I don't know how you will overcome that affidavit thing. All employees sign an affidavit agreeing to the residency rule and affirming they do in fact reside in the city.
Wouldn't making a false affidavit result in a possible perjury charge? That is what got Jon Burge, making a false statement on an interrogatory.
Good luck. I am too near the end to care, I am not moving no matter what, not until I retire.
RE Pension:
Rahm says he's going to take what we already put in? I call bs on that...by (Il constitution) law he can't. This guy's arrogance will bury him.
CMB lost the waiter/waitress vote. CMB and her entourage recently took up 6 tables At a local establishment and when they left, left $6 for the waitstaff.
It's not 1950!
Lifting residency is what finished off Detroit.
Detroit was finished before it started. It a shit whole. drive thru the place, a complete dump.
Everybody is looking at residency. We need to look at our pension. Were about to get fucked real good
@ 03:52:00 PM
tell a man "i don't give a fuck about you," don't be so surprised when he says "well i don't give a fuck about you either."
Anonymous said...
THINK TWICE.
Lifting residency may look good but wait til you have to start commuting in rush hour.
And you better look at what you you going to pay in property taxes - AND WATER BILLS.
Living in the suburbs costs money - a lot more than what you think.
You're not going to get a home in Hinsdale or Western Springs, maybe Berwyn. Check not only the house prices - check the property taxes.
There are no bargains out there.
As they say - the grass looks greener on the other side. It isn't - it just costs more money.
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Hey dickwad, if i want to spend time "commuting" from wherever the hell i want to live, then that should be MY CHOICE! Just cause you don't want to, doesn't mean i don't.
I'll pay the extra taxes in a heartbeat to be able to take my kids and dog to a local park without fear of getting robbed etc..
There are down sides, but there are many upsides too. The point is, it should be my choice.
Wrong look in the mirror Delusional would be you. Far Northwest side would be in trouble.
1/31/2011 04:50:00 PM
Yeah, because city workers are the majority of NW side residents. You need to do some research. We are a small minority of the property owners. You just think that the world revolves around you. News flash. It doesn't. You mean very little in the big picture.
Anonymous said...
CMB lost the waiter/waitress vote. CMB and her entourage recently took up 6 tables At a local establishment and when they left, left $6 for the waitstaff.
It's not 1950!
1/31/2011 08:17:00 PM
Did they demand a discount too?
Low or no tip is so typical, and demanding of rapid service. You know.
Rahm wants to reduce our pensions. ok. remember Chicago, you get what you pay for !
Lifting residency is what finished off Detroit.
1/31/2011 12:28:00 AM
Residency had nothing to do with Detroit's current state of affairs. I'm just taking a stab at this but Detroits' demise may be due to the tremendous failure of GM, Chrysler, and Ford. you take away hundreds of thousands of jobs from any city and I can guarantee that city will go down the tubes.
I'm so sick of hearing People saying Chicago is going to be the next Detroit if we lift the residency ban.
News flash!!! if people can sell their houses that easily and move then someone teach me how to do this cause ain't nobody want to buy my house any time soon!!!!
wake up everyone!!
the FOP doesn’t really want to get the residency requirement lifted, they just want to use the threat of it being lifted to improve our position in contract negotiations.... well Rahm's carpet bagging has effectively called their bluff. The FOP knows that every copper who lives in mt greenwood and garfield ridge is going to lose 40% of the value in their home. Every copper who sells their home in these neighborhoods will lose so much on his or her house that they wont be able to afford an apartment in the suburbs. Chico and Rahm are willing to discuss lifting residency because they know that if we accept it we will be cutting off our noses to spite our face.
"Hey dickwad, if i want to spend time "commuting" from wherever the hell i want to live, then that should be MY CHOICE! Just cause you don't want to, doesn't mean i don't.
I'll pay the extra taxes in a heartbeat to be able to take my kids and dog to a local park without fear of getting robbed etc..
There are down sides, but there are many upsides too. The point is, it should be my choice."
I agree too. It should be MY CHOICE. Anyone saying what about this or what about etc. It should be MY CHOICE; Let me deal with it.
I hate being told where to live myself as much as the next guy, but I do think the pension issue is more important right now. In 9 years, I will be able to retire and draw from a 20 year pension. I want to take that money and supplement a lower paying, more satisfying part time career. I want to have my pension there to help me pay my bills after I gave 22 of my best years to this job. No respect, working horrible hours, being left out of family get togethers, missing special events, being attacked, harrassed, injured, etc... some of these on a daily baises. Credit and character all affected by frivilous lawsuits being brought upon us by bottom feeding law firms, just for City payouts to low class criminals, when an Officer just does his job. I want the pension that was promised as a benefit of the job I swore to do. You see, we agreed to uphold the law, live in the City, and about a million other things. I, and thousands of others, agreed to and have kept our end of the deal. Now it's time for the City to hold up their end of the deal. There is a possibility that I will see at least 3 or 4 New Superintendents, 2 to 3 Mayors, and a couple new Presidents over my final stretch. I don't think the best person will ever be chose for any of those job's, but the rest of us that are actually doing our job's should be properly compensated. It's the least we should expect and it should not be messed with. It is the only light at the end of the Public Servants job. Our driving force.
Westside Outside "Do Something"... said...
I hate being told where to live myself as much as the next guy, but I do think the pension issue is more important right now. In 9 years, I will be able to retire and draw from a 20 year pension. I want to take that money and supplement a lower paying, more satisfying part time career. I want to have my pension there to help me pay my bills after I gave 22 of my best years to this job. No respect, working horrible hours, being left out of family get togethers, missing special events, being attacked, harrassed, injured, etc... some of these on a daily baises. Credit and character all affected by frivilous lawsuits being brought upon us by bottom feeding law firms, just for City payouts to low class criminals, when an Officer just does his job. I want the pension that was promised as a benefit of the job I swore to do. You see, we agreed to uphold the law, live in the City, and about a million other things. I, and thousands of others, agreed to and have kept our end of the deal. Now it's time for the City to hold up their end of the deal. There is a possibility that I will see at least 3 or 4 New Superintendents, 2 to 3 Mayors, and a couple new Presidents over my final stretch. I don't think the best person will ever be chose for any of those job's, but the rest of us that are actually doing our job's should be properly compensated. It's the least we should expect and it should not be messed with. It is the only light at the end of the Public Servants job. Our driving force.
2/01/2011 01:48:00 PM
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Well said!
I retired and live in the burbs. Yes, taxes and fees a a bit higher then on the south side of the city, but not that much. And as compared to the north side, many good burbs are comparable or lower! Yes, you can move to Orland, Tinley, Hinsdale, Arlington, Westchester. It should be your choice. And, don't kid yourself, there are a few lousy schools in the burbs, but most of them are far better then any chicago public school. The fact is, some surburbannites send their kids to catholic schools in the city. This should be your families choice after you do some research. I doubt that most city employees would move out in the first place. I have many retired police friends who still live in the city and have no intention of moving. Do not give in to the fear tactics about taxes, schools and commuting. This should be your individual and family choice and not dictated by a mayor or alderman who wants to keep you as a serf.
Lifting residency is what finished off Detroit.
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you really think that?? come on man, But thanks for the laugh
You don't really think that the City is just going to say "Go live anywhere you want," do you? They'll put a restriction on where you can live, just like most of the burbs do, such as 15-20 mile radius of the City. Also, what NYC does is charge city workers a tax of either 5 or 7% of your pay if you reside outside of the 5 boroughs on NYC. Don't for a minute think that they wouldn't do the same or MORE (10-15% city "income tax" to non-residents)How about "Only cars with valid Chicago city stickers allowed to park in City facility lots," here if they got rid of city residency. They will make it so that it would be cheaper to stay in the City than not. Not to mention that housing in the "radius area" allowed by the city would go up in price. Nothing like sell low in the City, buy high in the burbs, pay a city income tax, buy a city and your new home burb city sticker, and pay higher burb property taxes and a high-ass water bill. Be careful what you wish for.
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