Illinois Supreme Court Decision
- Finally, it should be noted that today's decision will raise questions beyond the facts of this case. Because the court holds that residency has one settled meaning, and that meaning rests on a person’s intent, today’s decision will have implications for residency requirements for in-state tuition, residency requirements for municipal employees such as police officers and firefighters, residency requirements for school districts and other similar situations. This court should be prepared to address those issues as firmly and expeditiously as we have done today.
Because of the breadth of today’s decision, we do not join the majority's holding that residency is the equivalent of domicile and that intent, therefore determines residency, even in the absence of any physical presence. Rather, we would answer the narrow question that was actually raised by the objectors in this case: Does a person lose his permanent abode if the [abode] is rented during the relevant residency period? To that question we answer "no." For that reason alone, we join in the judgment of the majority.
Looks like the door is opened wide to a challenge, and the ticket that embraces this opportunity might swing a union election shortly.
Labels: city politics, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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There is no way any chicago police officer should ever even CONSIDER voting for Carol Moseley Braun. She is the enemy.
In 1978, Braun was a leading member on the Committee to Elect Dr. John R. Lumpkin for the 7th Ward Alderman. The Lumpkins are prominent Chicago Communist Party members.
In 1979 Carol Moseley Braun, while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, was listed as a founding sponsor of the Communist Party USA front - the so called U.S. Peace Council.
May 17th 1987 Moseley Braun helped sponsor, with Communist Party leaders Angela Davis and Herbert Aptheker, a benefit for Chicago Communist Party leaders Claude Lightfoot and Jack Kling
Democratic Socialists of America member Timuel Black, Professor (emeritus) City College of Chicago, is a long time friend and supporter Moseley-Braun
lifelong Communist Party member Hannah Cohen was one of the key volunteers in the election campaign of Carol Moseley Braun's senatorial campaign
The Council for a Livable World, founded in 1962 by long-time socialist activist and alleged Soviet agent, Leo Szilard supported Carol Moseley Braun in her successful Senate run as candidate for Illinois
you can easily research all of these disturbing facts and much more...
If this counts as residency then I can rent out my condo and go live in the burbs? And just swear that my intention is to return??
Oops I forgot. I work for a living. I guess the rules are different for politicians.
In other words, whichever coalition jumps on the residency lawsuit bandwagon, will probably win the FOP election?
I would hope people would consider more than just that when voting.
But I bet they don't.
Can I rent my house and move my family into a better school district?
"Does a person lose his permanent abode if the [abode] is rented during the relevant residency period? To that question we answer "no.""
Apartment dwellers thrown out by eviction, foreclosure, or condominium conversion should, then, continue to be able to use that address as their legal address if they had "intended" to stay.
This is gonna get real interesting. What's sauce for the goose is...
Hello SCC-land. Figured out the residency issue. I am an officer and have a two-flat in the city. I am willing to lease it to every officer in the city for $1 for a five year lease. We can fit over 10,000 people in it as none of us will live in it. This will afford you an opportunity to move out of the City, but by paying the $1, you can always say "I have the intent" to move back!!!
"Chicago Tonight" on WTTW had a good segment on the Rahm case. Two of the three panelists (the last was one of Rahm's lawyers so he was speaking politico the entire time) mentioned how this case will impact residency issues with officers, teachers, etc. Interesting.
I encourage all unions of the Department (FOP and the Sergeants, Lieutenants, and Captains) should send a letter to the General Counsel of the Superintendent and demand the Superintendent's interpretation of the Supreme Court's ruling and how it will impact the residency issue.
Granted, he will simply pass it off as he "does not engage in union issues."
So, send it to Management and Labor Affairs. Mandate they answer it.
They will state that it is not an issue yet as it is in the contact and the contact supersedes even G-d.
Still, push the issue. Piss them off. Challenge them.
Therefore, if a brave officer challenges the residency issue and disciplinary action is attempted, they will have the opinion of the Department already known.
Hahahahaha! Channel 7 leads off with the Rahm story. As they report it, the first thing Rahm did, when he heard the news, is make a phone call "HOME", to his wife and family in Washington, D.C.
1/27/2011 06:02:00 PM
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They said it on both the five and six o'clock lead stories. What a huge gaffe.
Craigslist is sure going to have a bunch of new rental listings soon....
If intent in the absence of physical presence determines residency, then it should be ok for all city workers to run to the burbs with the ever sincere intention to return. Run for your lives!!
Rahm wins we loose the FOP backed the wrong guy, vote for the Shields team.
Appears the court has given the go ahead for city employees to buy dwellings outside the city as long as there is intent to move back some day.
What a crock of manure this here decision was that was handed down from the Supreme court. You have got to be pulling my leg. The law on the books firmly states the facts. But the Supreme court interpreted those facts to suit the big money people. They talk about corruption in Chicago and well, there you have it. I think I'll get a house in the suburbs now and move out of Chicago and claim my stake with the Supreme court. What a crock. The whole think stinks. Just like the local politition that forgot his guns weren't registered and had that law interpreted to his liking. I tell you, it just stinks. If it looks like manure and smells like manure.....hell, we just got all our feet stuck knee deep in it and haven't been kissed yet.
We need a test case, preferably an officer ready to retire. We can set him up just like Rhams, same excact facts and see where it goes.
This was all set up by Rhambos greed. Did he need rent money that bad considering he's a multi millionaire? I for one say thank you Rhambo. Hello Niles.
So, from this ruling I gather that if I own a house in the city, and pay taxes on that property, I can rent out my house and move to the suburbs!??
The new hires will be allowed to live outside the city in exchange for reduced pension benefits. You were REQUIRED to reside in the city as a condition for your employment. By the time court challenges are finalized your kid will be out of college.
Now that Rahm is on the ballot, it looks like all kiss assing that Master x3 and Ray Ray have been doing protecting him as his security consultants might payoff. Seems like Masters is building a power base in the Superintendent's Office by aligning all the units under the command so that as chief of staff; he will in essence become the old first deputy superintendent controlling the day to day operations of the police department. Which is a long ways away from what the chief of staff of superintendent's office use to do. The chief of staff use to be responsible for the day to day operation of the superintendent's office on the 5th floor only and not the whole police department. Masters is planning on remaining as the chief of staff for the new superintendent. Looks like the terrible experiment will not be over after jfed leaves.
ed burke is finish no more drivers no more city car i will lov to see him drive hyself to work each day thanks rahm your the best
Read the following link in order to bring some light to this farce
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/28/us/28cncchicagoway.html?pagewanted=1&ref=chicagonewscooperative
tick tock tick tock......
no surprise the judges are involved with politicans and there for this is not a surprise adding to it rahm emanuel is a liar and so trusting him is like trusting daley all over again all talk and when it comes down to it different action . i hope that chicago citizens vote for change not the same .
Rahm will make us pay for endorsing Chico!
Let's see if there isn't a new pension requirement passed that in order to "earn" credited time toward our pension, you MUST live in the city (NOT intend to return), AND in order to COLLECT our pension AFTER retirement, you MUST REMAIN in the city. So you can move out if you like, but it won't be counted toward your pension. He'll do it or something similar!
So how does that move out of the city look to you now? Emanual said he will discuss the residency requirement for police and fire. IF he is mayor, DISCUSSION OVER!
And btw, the sheep who are being convinced by the politicians and media that our pensions are destroying the economy are also of the belief that we should live in the city. NOTHING will change!
Yippie... anyone want to rent my house? I will leave all my stuff here because I do intend on returning one day......FREEDOM!!!!!!!
I just put my house up for rent and it comes with my wifes wedding dress. I do plan to tell my tenants I intend to return, but not any time soon.
So then I ask or should I say:
Shouldn't I be able to RENT my home here in Chicago and move to the Suburbs to raise my children?
So that they live in a safer environment and have better educational opportunities, and then when they're finally done with school, and grown up,then move back to the city?
As you may have figured, it is my intent continue to live in the city AFTER my children are raised and given the opportunities of better school system.
What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. I would love to see this fly.
Someone plaease answer me this.
If masters-cubed and ray-ray are protecting rahm,
who's protecting masters-cubed and ray-ray?
See ya later city.
Burke losses his security detail That's why he was afraid and finianced the court fight Follow the $$$$$
As we all witnessed Rahm wasn't worried one bit two days ago. The fix was in straight from the white house to illinois to chicago.
The only change was its their turn now.
What needs to be done is get braun and deville off the ballot. We need those votes to go to chico. Those 3 better put their teeny heads together fast and make a plan.
I lost all respect for the court.
Do you think Rahm's kids will go to CPS schools when they move back to their home in Chicago from their home in D.C.? Me thinks not.
Following logic of ISC, a NYC parent can buy a studio apartment anywhere in Illinois, have their kid apply for UIUC, and claim "intent of residency" to obtain in-state tuition. Pandora's box has opened, and its affect on Illinois' university system could be significant given sizable out-of-state student enrollment.
In Wisconsin, ownership of a vacation property doesn't entitle household to in-state tuition at UW-Madison, which has significant Chicago-area student enrollment. Even if parents move into that vacation home, it still takes a year's residency AND employment to establish in-state status.
I believe Emmanuel should be on ballot, because the other candidates are very weak leadership and executive management material - including Chico. Chico's career history is solely public-sector entitlement and political patronage with little accountability or administrative flair, so a vote for him is still a vote for "business as usual" clout-meistering.
Anyone consider that entire residency challenge was orchestrated by Ed Burke and his cohorts to establish some leverage over Emmanuel. Otherwise, but leverage did Burke have over the likely next mayor? Neither Obama or Emmanuel have ever been beholden to Burke and his crew. ISC has Burke's wife, who's as corrupt as he. Problem is that Emmanuel is likely not to uphold his end of the faustian bargain that rammed through the ISC ruling yesterday via Burkes.
the real problem now is that he is the front runner and if he wins we all know what he wants to do with the pension--- moody has just reported that the state of illinois is currently in fifth place among all 50 states with unfunded pension liabilities--- illinois currently has close to a 7,000 dollar per person hit to become solvent---- OUCH !!!!--- good old rahm made 325,000 dollars a year sitting on the freddie mac board and what a disaster that was--- now he is magically a financial wizard and can cure all of our problems--- if this guy gets in we are screwed.....
I have always supported CPD and CFD to be able to live wherever they want to. However, "intent" hasn't helped any police or firefighters before this but now, but because of one clouted individual, the entire system has ruled in his favor to accommodate him. Interesting. And I think the ruling states that very clearly.
---not a cop
if the justices voted on this - I want to know which ones voted "yes" to this punk! I thought their were 3 republicans and four demorats but one was burke who probubly wouldn't have voted for the punk because her husband is backing chico
I hope Chico wins so this will be the last Chicago election I vote in as he will get rid of residency and we can move out of the city.
Don't get your hopes up. Rahm is special and the rules do not apply to special people. Haven't you learned that on this Department yet?
'Some animals are more special than other animals.'
Still true today and always will be unless the voters wake up. Don't hold your breath.
brobama's fingerprints are all over this.....they started by saying "let us be clear".
oddly enough, that's brobama's way of saying "i don't know tf i'm talking about but you're gona listen and it's my way i don't care if I'm right or wrong because you're just common people that don't knwo any better and I'm I know what's good for you."
I'm renting mine out and moving to Naperville!
'I encourage all unions of the Department (FOP and the Sergeants, Lieutenants, and Captains) should send a letter to the General Counsel of the Superintendent and demand the Superintendent's interpretation of the Supreme Court's ruling and how it will impact the residency issue.
Granted, he will simply pass it off as he "does not engage in union issues."
So, send it to Management and Labor Affairs. Mandate they answer it. '
And you think that goofball political hack Cmdr of MLAS O'Neil will interpret this HOW? HAHAHAHA
The president says the worst of the recession is over. Than why is his boy saying times are desperate and we need to cut pensions. Or is only Illinois the redest of red states in trouble because of a decade of democrat rule ?
Can you imagine having most or a very large percentage of police and or fire personal living outside the city limits? Wouldn't that be nice! Nice to move out to the burbs. Where the schools are better. The taxes are a little lower. The neighborhood is better served. And so many more better things, too. However....for a moment...can you imagine a catastrophe happening in the city and there are no additional policemen and firemen available, because they live outside the city? In the event this ever happens, there will be no extra protection for the citizens. Those who are paid to protect the city from destruction will be stuck in traffic in order to help when needed. I don't want to imagine what would happen in the event that these men and women, who swore to protect our city, will have the ability to live outside the city limits. The bad dream is that I and many more citizens of this city will watch in horror as the city burns! Self destructs! When that happens, who will stand up and take blame? Who will be held accountable? Funny, I already know the answer!
Lets not forget that although the money for our pensions comes from us and from the city, the pension is controlled by state laws. Only our legislators can impose changes on the police and fire pensions, not the mayor or city counsel. This is not to say that the legislators cannot be influenced by the mayor of chicago, we all know that can be done. Then, do not forget that the recent pension reform legislation was passed and signed into law by Quinn over the strong objections of Daley and the mayors of other major cities in this state.At the channel 9 debates, both Rahm and Chico stated that residency will be on the discussion table.
The new hires will be allowed to live outside the city in exchange for reduced pension benefits. You were REQUIRED to reside in the city as a condition for your employment. By the time court challenges are finalized your kid will be out of college
-AMEN You SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER
If residency is taken down, your pension is gone forever.
Anonymous said...
"Chicago Tonight" on WTTW had a good segment on the Rahm case. Two of the three panelists (the last was one of Rahm's lawyers so he was speaking politico the entire time) mentioned how this case will impact residency issues with officers, teachers, etc. Interesting.
I encourage all unions of the Department (FOP and the Sergeants, Lieutenants, and Captains) should send a letter to the General Counsel of the Superintendent and demand the Superintendent's interpretation of the Supreme Court's ruling and how it will impact the residency issue.
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There is that little issue of the affidavit we all are required to sign agreeing to the City's residency policy. No affidavit, no job. How does one get around that?
What politicians do and what they require us to do are two very different things.
Unlike the landed gentry who run things, we are like the tenant farmers who have no choice but to take whatever shit the ruling class throws down to us.
Follow this one
Michael Kasper is Rahms attorney AND our NEW Pension Board Lobbyists!!! Not sure exactly, but I heard he was getting paid $70,000 a year to lobby for the Pension Board. He was recently hired after ALL the pension board trustees voted to hire him.
Michael Kasper is also tight with Mike Madigan.
Does anyone honestly think Kasper is going to do anything for the good of any Chicago Police Officer, active, retired, & widows?
I don’t get it, why does our Pension Board need a lobbyist? It’s the FOP that submits our Pension Bills not the Pension Board and the FOP has a lobbyist.
How did this guy get the job, who recommended him, Daley???
KISS YOUR PENSION GOOD-BYE!!!
We will now have a Mayor to screw us out of our pension & and lobbyist that YOU pay from the pension fund screw YOU also.
This is the most important election of our time. Rahm has told POs to their face: "I will take away your pension and give you your money back". THAT IS HIS PLAN.
FOP made the right call on who to back , the Sgts Assoc too. As usual, the Lts. Assoc lacks the balls to take a stand.
While I am on the soap box, don't vote for a PO for Alderman just because he is a PO. That doesn't mean he will have our backs. Look at the man and see if he is an arogant self-centered ego maniacal prick without an altruistic bone in his body. You know, the usual politician.
Remember, Eddie Burke was once a copper that got his degree on the Department's dime. You see what he has done for us...nothing!
The most appalling thing to me is the content the Supreme Court justices displayed in their decision. Granted, I am not a lawyer, but the case is not so clear cut. The case they are basing their decision on is 150 years old. Things change. And no one knows the “intent” of the gentleman who tried to run for office 150 years ago and left the state for eight months.
The essentially pissed on the two Appellate Court judges interpretation of case law. However, these egomaniacs have been in their robes way too long.
They are ELECTED just like the other politicians. No system is perfect, but as we know by our aldercreatures, ELECTED just not equate to SMART.
The Supreme Court justices need a reality check; they need someone to put them in their place.
However, we cannot threaten them (and I would never advocate violence….because you will end up in prison and it would give them a larger pulpit to piss off of). We cannot ask them to clarify because they will not.
Instead, they get their charmed existence, their personal driver/assistance (not legal assistants, interns, clerks). They get a state tax-dollar assistant that drives them around.
Stay on that gig long enough and these people will get a pension from the state!!!! (as well as their former job. E.g. Chicago Police???
We elected them. When will the voters of Illinois understand that their vote does matter? We need to vote. We need to be a voice. We need to be a conduit for others to understand the hypocrisy of this State and the City.
Only then, only when we stand united as one will we truly make a difference.
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There is no way any chicago police officer should ever even CONSIDER voting for Carol Moseley Braun. She is the enemy.
In 1978, Braun was a leading member on the Committee to Elect Dr. John R. Lumpkin for the 7th Ward Alderman. The Lumpkins are prominent Chicago Communist Party members.
In 1979 Carol Moseley Braun, while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, was listed as a founding sponsor of the Communist Party USA front - the so called U.S. Peace Council.
May 17th 1987 Moseley Braun helped sponsor, with Communist Party leaders Angela Davis and Herbert Aptheker, a benefit for Chicago Communist Party leaders Claude Lightfoot and Jack Kling
Democratic Socialists of America member Timuel Black, Professor (emeritus) City College of Chicago, is a long time friend and supporter Moseley-Braun
lifelong Communist Party member Hannah Cohen was one of the key volunteers in the election campaign of Carol Moseley Braun's senatorial campaign
The Council for a Livable World, founded in 1962 by long-time socialist activist and alleged Soviet agent, Leo Szilard supported Carol Moseley Braun in her successful Senate run as candidate for Illinois
you can easily research all of these disturbing facts and much more...
1/28/2011 12:08:00 AM
Obama should love Carol....
So I can get a City of Chicago Fire Arm Permit while living in Lake County if I show a back dated lease for a room my wife and I rented at my Mother Inlaw's because we always intended to move back in with my Mother in law?
Any Volunteers?
Did anyone really think he wasn't going to get on the ballot? Rules only apply to the little people.
The law of residency needs to be challanged, then overturned as it has been found to be unconstitutional. Then we can use residency as a bargaining chip in contract negotiations. (pension/insurance after 2013)etc. It would be the firsts time we acually have a chip in the game.
it only applies to illinois election law.
who's going to rent the thousands of houses available? can the rent received pay the mortgage on the new home?
nuthin' to worry about here kids.
didn't you all get the message? we're all gonna win the future!
Is this a silver lining? If nothing else, we have just gained a bit of leverage when it comes to the contract and perhaps other issues. Rahm has said he is "open to discussing the residency issue" which is political speak for "nope, not gonna happen but how can I say I'm against it?", but now we have Illinois Supreme Court justices practically inviting us to challenge the residency issue as soon as we'd like.
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It's real simple. Did Rahm live in chicago or not? No he did not. He took a job in DC, moved his family there, rented his house, and has been living in DC for over two years. Residency in not temporary. It's not like Rahm left his family in Chicago and lived in a hotel. If Daley did not retire Rahm would still be in DC and would probably be there as long as Obama was president. Once again different rules for different folks.
We need to make note of who these judges are and look for them to get federal appointments or other favors after the smoke clears from this decision. You can bet phone calls were made with the "wink wink" and a smile. The stench of chicago politics is in DC.
Can this ruling be used for officers already fired for residency? There should be a crapload of test cases already. One of them should sue for their job back and see what happens.
The Supreme Court ruling sets precidence so it can be used as an example argument in future cases.
Our only chance is Chico, who I will vote for, but I have serious questions about him. He is a creature of Eddie Burke, and the machine, which should raise red flags for all of us. He has made big money off all the connnections he made during his time as schools chief etc. They are all going after our pension, no matter what they say. Residency, forget about it. There are rules for some, and rules for others. This decision is a classic example of that. I have said it on this site before and will say it again, especially when shortshanks decided not to run. Be careful what you wish for. I dislike Daley as much as anyone here, but we may look back on his time in office as the good old days.
Doomday approachs, I just wonder what da new mayor would do if all city departments when on strike at the same time and we have the blue flu fire also has the flu, if he or she takes our pension away or tries and cut it. What a mess this city would be, think about
You guys must understand they will "never" repeat "never" let us out of the city! Its state law home rule! Its a dream or should I say fantasy to move out! There's always been 2 standards and everyone should know that by now! The problem is a- were stuck here and b-there goes r pension!!! 025 mid
OT SCC,
Since none of us believes the department is only 2,300 offiers short (including medical, IOD etc.) I have an idea.....
I dont know how often the alpha star query/employee search is updated, but I wonder if the department is keeping recent retirees on it.
How about department members who know of recent retirees check if they are still in CLEAR.
Although the retirees would probably not want to be identified on SCC, maybe we can do something like:
Date: 30 JAN 2011
Unit: 0XX
Seniority Rank: 3
Retired April 2010
What do you think????
Why is anyone worried about moseley-brauns communist leanings. Looks like she is somewhat prophetic. Our current mayor embraces a communist president, as "a man of visión". Check 90% of the items you use or wear, made in a communist countries. Our goverment is being financed by a communist government. Our Country and our city were sold out in a slow and deliberate fashion, by the very people we vote into office, in our Democracy. So carol is the least of our worries. We had 22 yrs of any elected dictatorship, how bad can she be? You want to state something relevant, BUY AMERICAN, repeal NAFTA, we get the short end of the deal and VOTE your Conscience. we seem to forget we are in the greatest country in the world, and VOTE! Just remember to vote for those that were not accomplices to our present state of decline and indifference. Nothing will change unless we change it!
I have always "intended to live in a warmer climate. Does this mean I live there already? If so why am I still cold?
Two things. Very few peole are going to try and sell their house in Chicago right now due to the bad market. So there won't be much escaping for the next few years. They are counting on that for sure.
More importantly, if this interpretaton has always been the correct one and I was prevented from just having a rental place in Chicago and living and educating my boys in a better school district, why can't I be reimbursed by the city for the Catholic school tuitions I was forced to pay so my chldren wouldn't be subjected to inferior CPS educations in elementary and high school. HHHMMM?????
What a crock of manure this here decision was that was handed down from the Supreme court. You have got to be pulling my leg. The law on the books firmly states the facts. But the Supreme court interpreted those facts to suit the big money people. They talk about corruption in Chicago and well, there you have it. I think I'll get a house in the suburbs now and move out of Chicago and claim my stake with the Supreme court. What a crock. The whole think stinks. Just like the local politition that forgot his guns weren't registered and had that law interpreted to his liking. I tell you, it just stinks. If it looks like manure and smells like manure.....hell, we just got all our feet stuck knee deep in it and haven't been kissed yet.
------My man, you are a guy in the know. This is called POLITICS. It is the CHICAGO WAY. Like my ma, God rest her soul, used to say, if you don't like it here in my house, there's the door. Whenever I retire, I am GONE from this CITY and STATE. Too much TAXES, CRIME, and STUPID PEOPLE. The pension issue
is the problem though. Rahm will see that we are hammered with the pension for city workers. If you are a city worker and think about voting for any of these candidates, better check into their views for the pension. It might not be a big deal for some people now, but come time to retire you might say different and then cry big tears when you see how you just voted your pension away. The FOP is just a bunch of hacks that don't care too much of it's membership. Sad, but true. It takes just minutes to review the candidates positions on stuff. Take the time. Review. Then vote.
I know city guys that are voting for Rahm. I had to inform one that Rahm wants to 'alter' existing pensions.
BTW a google search of "Illinois pension law court cases" (or words something like that) yields a handful of court cases in PDF format which overwhelming state that an existing pension CANNOT be 'altered.' So said Illinois courts, reasoning that the pensions are contractual, and any change would be a breach. Bankruptcy, or simply inability to pay out - that's a different story I guess.
OK here is the direct link:
http://www.ilga.gov/commission/cgfa2006/Upload/2008%20JANUARY%20Handbook%20of%20Illinois%20Pension%20Case%20Law.pdf
It is worth the read, only 23 pages or so.
If this counts as residency then I can rent out my condo and go live in the burbs? And just swear that my intention is to return??
Oops I forgot. I work for a living. I guess the rules are different for politicians.
1/28/2011 12:16:00 AM
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I'll one-up ya .... you don't even have to maintain your Chicago condo. The court did not say you had to have a fixed abode here in Chicago to have intent to return. Granted it helps to keep that condo to prove your intent to return, but it is not essential.
Hell what about Illinois tax law? You'd have to live in any state w/ no income tax for awhile, then move to Illinois and claim you are a resident of that other state.
"Seven states impose no income tax. These states are Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming. Additionally, New Hampshire and Tennessee limit their state income taxes to only dividends and interest income. "
although this could eventually end residency requirements in the future, this will further hurt the Chicago housing Market if it is OK'd across the Board for city Employees. Our houses will drop in value further if there are less people having to live here in order to work here. Say goodby to more of your money, thanks to Felon-ois, Crook County, Crookago Politicians.
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There is no way any chicago police officer should ever even CONSIDER voting for Carol Moseley Braun. She is the enemy.
In 1978, Braun was a leading member on the Committee to Elect Dr. John R. Lumpkin for the 7th Ward Alderman. The Lumpkins are prominent Chicago Communist Party members.
In 1979 Carol Moseley Braun, while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, was listed as a founding sponsor of the Communist Party USA front - the so called U.S. Peace Council.
May 17th 1987 Moseley Braun helped sponsor, with Communist Party leaders Angela Davis and Herbert Aptheker, a benefit for Chicago Communist Party leaders Claude Lightfoot and Jack Kling
Democratic Socialists of America member Timuel Black, Professor (emeritus) City College of Chicago, is a long time friend and supporter Moseley-Braun
lifelong Communist Party member Hannah Cohen was one of the key volunteers in the election campaign of Carol Moseley Braun's senatorial campaign
The Council for a Livable World, founded in 1962 by long-time socialist activist and alleged Soviet agent, Leo Szilard supported Carol Moseley Braun in her successful Senate run as candidate for Illinois
you can easily research all of these disturbing facts and much more...
1/28/2011 12:08:00 AM
ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS SAYS:
ALL Democrats are Commies, not just mosely-Braun..
ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS SAYS:
If Residency is allowed soon, I will sue the city for all the years I was forced to live here in order to keep my job, unconstitutionally.. My Attorney will be, Guess Who ???
Hahahahaha! Channel 7 leads off with the Rahm story. As they report it, the first thing Rahm did, when he heard the news, is make a phone call "HOME", to his wife and family in Washington, D.C.
1/27/2011 06:02:00 PM
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They said it on both the five and six o'clock lead stories. What a huge gaffe.
1/28/2011 12:47:00 AM
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I heard the same thing and chuckled out loud!
Good catch!
If Rahmmie the Commie no longer works in Washington D-emomic.
C-orruption; then why is the rest of his family not living back here in Crookago? Why didn't the Supreme CommieCourt of Felonois ask this ?
Because the Felon-ois Supreme Court has been Corrup since the early 60's along with the rest of Felon-ois...
Anonymous said...
I just put my house up for rent and it comes with my wifes wedding dress. I do plan to tell my tenants I intend to return, but not any time soon.
1/28/2011 04:53:00 AM
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I'll do ya one better. I'll leave my wife AND her wedding dress in my basement!
F.O.P. lets set up a test case!!!!
My only question is why isn't our good ol FOP making any comments on this? People wake up and start ringing their phone off the hook. This is our union and start to demand they do something. Please wake up!
I like hoe the supreme court bring up a case over 100 years where the guy was able to be a judge even thou he didn't live in the State of Illinois for five years. Knowing this State he probable paid off the right person to become the judge.
Is Dr. Johnm Lumpkin a Doctor Doctor or a Reverand Doctor? I is jest wonderin boss.
throw a box in the crawlspace nail it shut and promise you intended to move back some day...rent the house and move to the burbs...if this guy wins how can he hold the city workers to the residence rule if the court he appealed to says its the intent that matters....
My intent is to move back into the city after I retire. Yah that's it.
Rahm is seriously considering mandating a city employee permit for non-residents of the city. This will be a tax on suburban residents workers for the privilege to work in the city. This way all the money they are making in the city can't all be removed. After all they are using all kinds of city services to work here, they might as well pay up. Its kinda of like in state and non resident tuition costs. I think he is on to something here.
There is no way any chicago police officer should ever even CONSIDER voting for Carol Moseley Braun. She is the enemy.
She has my vote that way I can cancel you vote out.
This is case is only about residency as it relates to running for elected office. As it stands this case does not change the residency requirement. However, should you choose to move out of the city and then get fired for doing so, this case will definitely be one that is brought up in your lawsuit to get your job back. I am not sure about you, but with the judicial climate as it is, I sure as hell don't want to be the test case.
If Rahm wins there will be a 6 month window to retire with your pension if you qualify. After the 6 months there will be the reduced benefits or a buy out of your pension contributions. One will have to figure out the many options. Do You have a family and young kids? What is your health situation and the health of the members of your family? How much do you have saved? What do you need to live a healthy and happy life style until the age of 80? This might be the way things are going to go anyways no matter who get elected as mayor. I still feel we are better off without Da Mayo!
We have a Socialist in the White House, a thief in City Hall, and at 35th St., well what more can be said about J-fled?
The Federal prison system that has been home to Illinois governors & various corrupt city officials.
A city alderman who backs the release from prison a convicted terrorist and also sponsors the release of the murderer of a Chicago Police Officer.
And in spite of this people still think CMB is a good choice for Mayor, with her socialist agenda & baggage. Someone has been dipping in the kool-aid again. Just letting off steam, thanks.
I would hate for anyone to actually READ the law, but the definition of "residency" is different in the two statutes. In the one for city workers it requires "physical presence." This decision does us no good.
Of course, you can do what city employees have been doing for 150 years. Rent an apartment with six other cops, move your family to the suburbs and "live" in your apartment. Might be nice to have a crash pad in the city . . . Hell, my grandpa did this for decades while the family lived out in Barrington.
Which Alderman will be the first to move out of their ward to rule from afar?
There's no requirement for the Chicago mayor. the Illinois governor, etc to be a US citizen right? Only a resident.
So with that said how long will it be before an illegal immigrant that intends to live here is running for office and running the city, the state.
This is perfect because if we take this to an extreme instead of political officials working to better the community here then can make things better in the community that THEY live in instead by driving the living conditions in the areas they preside over down. You know what I'm saying?
Of course some might argue that we have already been doing this for years.
Oh well, Hail to the King eh. Don't waste this crisis or mess with "the family business"
Forget moving to the burbs, out of state. How about moving out of the country to run things here.
OT - Daley trying to F*CK Cops & Firemen on his way out the door!
Police, Firefighters Would Pay More Pension Costs Under Daley Administration Proposal
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/
2011/01/police-firefighters-would-pay-more-pension-costs-under-daley-administration-proposal.html
To: 1/28/2011 12:08:00 AM
Perhaps all of your Communist accusations against Carol Moseley Braun are true, I don't know.
But if you're trying to give us usable information, you really should put the URL up here so we can verify it for ourselves... otherwise its just empty words and potential lies.
Just sayin.
Michael Kasper's wife just received an appointment as a Judge of the Circuit Court of Cook County!!!
WBBM Radio is now reporting that Obama is making even more of a fool out of himself, covering unnecessarily for Emanuel after the court decision came down.
Obama is claiming now that he "left Emanuel no choice" other than to come to Washington and work for him as Chief of Staff.
I see. Whole Emanuel family abducted at gunpoint...
Yeah, right.
How about a class action by the FOP on all the Police and Fire who have been fired for living out side the City.
"...The law on the books firmly states the facts. But the Supreme court interpreted those facts to suit the big money people... ."
You're all backward my friend. The law on the books states the law, not the facts. The facts are Rahm's living situation for the relevant time period. The Supreme Court interprets the LAW, not the facts. Nobody interprets the facts. The facts are what they are. The Court applied the law (unfortunately the way the Court interprets the law) to the facts. It certainly appears they applied it wrongly here.
Depending on "Illinois courts" to protect you pension is pretty foolish reasoning. Those same "Illionis courts" just ruled that a law that says you must live in Chicago for one year prior to running for mayor doesn't really mean that at all. The law ALWAYS means what the rich and connected want it to mean.
CHA-CHING...next case!
Egyptian President Hasni Mubarak for Chicago mayor. Rahm Emanuel for president of Egypt.
Anyone but the arrogant despot Emanuel. He makes Dirty Little Richie look like a reformer Sunday school teacher.
God help us. The typical eligible Chicago voter is either terminally apathetic, stupid or bought off. Also, do not underestimate the power of the deceased electorate and a pint of muscatel (or a 40-ouncer) with many Chicago voters.
All too many Chicagoans take a perverse pride in municipal corruption.
"...can you imagine a catastrophe happening in the city and there are no additional policemen and firemen available, because they live outside the city? In the event this ever happens, there will be no extra protection for the citizens."
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What fairy tale land do YOU live in libtard?
After the shit Daley's pulled against the police in this city you actually think the police in this city give a rats FUCK about what happens in this city any more?
Not a fuckin' chance pal!
When the catastrophe happens, the police are gonna be two cars ahead of YOU getting the fuck outta this city that has shit all over them for the last 10 years.
You liberal fucks who think you have some right to dictate how the police are gonna enforce the laws to your personal whims are gonna sit in your own shit and wonder why the police left you sitting there while they got the fuck outta dodge.
Wake up princess, being the police was turned into a shitfucked job by your fucking buddy Rich Daley years ago.
Enjoy what he's turned your police into because that's all you got now. Go and thank him on the way outta town after your catastrophe hits. Go thank him for turning the public and anyone with a TV against their only protection in this city.
Then get the fuck outta my way cause I'm gonna roll right over you to get where it's safe with my family.
Fuck all these political maggots.
I am voting for Jane Byrne!
Anonymous said...
I know city guys that are voting for Rahm. I had to inform one that Rahm wants to 'alter' existing pensions.
BTW a google search of "Illinois pension law court cases" (or words something like that) yields a handful of court cases in PDF format which overwhelming state that an existing pension CANNOT be 'altered.' So said Illinois courts, reasoning that the pensions are contractual, and any change would be a breach. Bankruptcy, or simply inability to pay out - that's a different story I guess.
OK here is the direct link:
http://www.ilga.gov/commission/cgfa2006/Upload/2008%20JANUARY%20Handbook%20of%20Illinois%20Pension%20Case%20Law.pdf
It is worth the read, only 23 pages or so.
1/28/2011 12:45:00 PM
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This is the point that will be made very soon my friend.
Any changes to our pension must be contractual agreements or there IS no change. The only way for Emanuel to have an easy time porchfucking us is if we LET the fucker shit on us.
Vote NO to any future contract (which the little punk will be trying to renegotiate within a week after taking office) that includes NO PAY RAISE AND ANY CHANGES TO OUR PENSIONS IN ANY WAY!
This includes increasing the age to 55, which financially damages you by making you pay into the fund for 5 years longer than the previous agreement, thereby costing you more money for the same benefit.
VOTE NO TO ANY CONTRACT PRESENTED TO YOU THAT DIMINISHES IN ANY WAY YOUR PENSION!!
Escumuel wants to play hardball, FORCE HIM TO FILE BANKRUPTCY AND TAKE THIS CITY'S CREDIT DOWN THE HOLE IN ORDER TO PLAY THE GAME!!
He wants to try and fuck us? Make him take this city into bankruptcy to try and do it. You'll do just as well in the end that way as you would taking his shit up the ass by agreeing to his bullshit demands.
VOTE NO TO ANY PENSION CHANGES IN THE NEXT CONTRACT!!!
VOTE NO TO RENEGOTIATING YOUR CURRENT CONTRACT AS WELL!!
Make Emanuel kill off this city's credit in order to try and burn the police and fire departments.
In the end, this chickenshit punk will back the fuck down knowing full well he'll be a one termer for filing Chapter 9!!!
Get this guy OUT of Chicago!!
I know city guys that are voting for Rahm. I had to inform one that Rahm wants to 'alter' existing pensions.
1/28/2011 12:45:00 PM
most 'city guys', and gals, believe in the almighty power of 'clout', bestowed upon them by their 'china man'.
to doubt the effacy of one's chinaman is a form of heresy, tantamount to taking the Lord's name in vain.
few have ever imagined that their clout's almighty powers could ever be diminished.
it's a rude awakening, indeed.
More importantly, if this interpretaton has always been the correct one and I was prevented from just having a rental place in Chicago and living and educating my boys in a better school district, why can't I be reimbursed by the city for the Catholic school tuitions I was forced to pay so my chldren wouldn't be subjected to inferior CPS educations in elementary and high school. HHHMMM?????
1/28/2011 12:20:00 PM
sort of a form of reparations?
I have always "intended to live in a warmer climate. Does this mean I live there already? If so why am I still cold?
1/28/2011 11:58:00 AM
you failed to purchase said home to prove you're intentions were genuine.
Shields for FOP signs removed from 008 and Citywide posters NOW posted near where they were removed. Coincidence? Maybe. Re-posted. Inform yourself and VOTE who YOU want. Just don't GUESS. Don't BITCH if you DON'T VOTE.
This includes the local City Election!!
"1/28/2011 11:51:00 AM":
"Check 90% of the items you use or wear, made in a communist countries."
yep, we bought them.
"Our goverment is being financed by a communist government."
yep, with our monies, which we used to buy their products.
"Our Country and our city were sold out in a slow and deliberate fashion, by the very people we vote into office, in our Democracy."
yep, we got what we paid for.
"So carol is the least of our worries. We had 22 yrs of any elected dictatorship, how bad can she be?"
pretty damn bad, at least for the working, taxpaying citizens of our city. now, for the link card breeders.....
"You want to state something relevant, BUY AMERICAN, repeal NAFTA, we get the short end of the deal and VOTE your Conscience."
what conscience? what's dis conscience ting?
"we seem to forget we are in the greatest country in the world, and VOTE! Just remember to vote for those that were not accomplices to our present state of decline and indifference."
we would, if the political machinery of chicanery didn't always knock whichever few candidates, who aren't professional politicians, off of the ballot, well before the election is held.
"Nothing will change unless we change it!"
then nothing will change, because we don't have the collective will, brains or balls to do shit about it.
who's going to rent the thousands of houses available? can the rent received pay the mortgage on the new home?
1/28/2011 09:50:00 AM
section 8, ie., the nation's working taxpayers.
So I can get a City of Chicago Fire Arm Permit while living in Lake County if I show a back dated lease for a room my wife and I rented at my Mother Inlaw's because we always intended to move back in with my Mother in law?
1/28/2011 09:29:00 AM
only if your mother in law likes you.
Anonymous said...
ed burke is finish no more drivers no more city car i will lov to see him drive hyself to work each day thanks rahm your the best
1/28/2011 02:57:00 AM
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This is an old chitown-Dem ruse. Burke & Rahmbo are buddies. This is to draw attention to something else.
What you see ain't always true in Chicago !
What a mess this city would be, think about
1/28/2011 10:56:00 AM
my dick just got hard.
Chalkie
I dislike Daley as much as anyone here, but we may look back on his time in office as the good old days.
1/28/2011 10:54:00 AM
you mean 'the less bad, bad old days'?
Can this ruling be used for officers already fired for residency? There should be a crapload of test cases already. One of them should sue for their job back and see what happens.
1/28/2011 10:33:00 AM
why?
The stench of chicago politics is in DC.
1/28/2011 10:30:00 AM
you're just noticing, now?
" Where the schools are better. The taxes are a little lower. The neighborhood is better served."
THATS A GOOD ONE. YOU COULDN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN WINNEKTA WHERE YOUR SUBURBAN DELUSIONS ARE MOST APPLICABLE. YOUR AFFORDABILTY WILL ONLY APPLY TO HARVEY, DIXMOOR& ROBBINS. HOW GREAT ARE THE SCHOOLS& QUALITY OF LIFE IN THOSE HAMLETS?
I'm renting mine out and moving to Naperville!
1/28/2011 08:44:00 AM
oh no, not naperville........
you'll be sorry......
Someone plaease answer me this.
If masters-cubed and ray-ray are protecting rahm,
who's protecting masters-cubed and ray-ray?
1/28/2011 06:20:00 AM
pure dumb luck.
I would love to see this fly.
1/28/2011 05:11:00 AM
i'd love to see a pig fly, but they only do when they're dropped out of a plane, and then, only for a little while.
good, with this ruling, maybe I'll be able to sue the shit out of the Shitty for keeping me prisoner here for over 25 yrs; and violating my Constitutional Rights.
Anonymous said...
Why is anyone worried about moseley-brauns communist leanings. Looks like she is somewhat prophetic. Our current mayor embraces a communist president, as "a man of visión". Check 90% of the items you use or wear, made in a communist countries. Our goverment is being financed by a communist government. Our Country and our city were sold out in a slow and deliberate fashion, by the very people we vote into office, in our Democracy. So carol is the least of our worries. We had 22 yrs of any elected dictatorship, how bad can she be? You want to state something relevant, BUY AMERICAN, repeal NAFTA, we get the short end of the deal and VOTE your Conscience. we seem to forget we are in the greatest country in the world, and VOTE! Just remember to vote for those that were not accomplices to our present state of decline and indifference. Nothing will change unless we change it!
1/28/2011 11:51:00 AM
I DONT THINK SHE CAN EVEN BALANCE HER OWN CHECK BOOK, OR Pay her own debts, much less run Shitcago.
I'm not crazy about Chico either, but that is where my vote goes!!! Rahm looks us in the eye & says I will take your pension!!! No F*cking way will he get my vote!!!! Chico does'nt work out, can vote him out in 4 yrs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I would love to see this fly.
1/28/2011 05:11:00 AM
i'd love to see a pig fly, but they only do when they're dropped out of a plane, and then, only for a little while.
1/28/2011 05:33:00 PM
Funny thing, it's not the fall that kills them but the sudden stop.
MMMMMMMMM BACON!!!!!
many officerS live in the burb but u must follow the old iad guidelines.
CAR MUST BE REGISTERED AT CITY ADDRESS
CAR MUST HAVE CITY STICKER AND PLATES TO CITY ADDRESS
BILL MUST GO TO CITY ADDRESS CREDIT CARDS ARE JUST FINE
YOUR DRIVER LICENSE HAS TO BE CITY ADDRESS OR POLICE STATION ADDRESS
U MUST LEAVE AND COME HOME TO THE CITY ADDRESS EVERY DAY U WORK!
ON UR DAYS OFF U MAY LIVE NORMALLY AT UR OTHER ADDRESS.
UR FAMILY IS ALLOWED TO USE THE OTHER ADDRESS AS THERE OFFICIAL ADDRESS.
UR KIDS CAN NOW GO TO A SUBURBAN SCHOOL.
AND TO BE EXTRA SAFE FILE FOR LEGAL SEPARATION BUT NEVER GET DIVORCED.
THE NEW HOME SHOULD ONLY BE IN UR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS NAME OR A TRUST.
IAD HAS SCREWED UP MANY RESIDENCY INVESTIGATION AND ALL OF THE ABOVE WERE FROM VARIOUS CASES.
FEEL FREE TO ADD INFO
AMAZING how fast they made their decision.
WBBM Radio is now reporting that Obama is making even more of a fool out of himself, covering unnecessarily for Emanuel after the court decision came down.
Obama is claiming now that he "left Emanuel no choice" other than to come to Washington and work for him as Chief of Staff.
I see. Whole Emanuel family abducted at gunpoint...
Yeah, right.
These arrogant liars will all soon self-destruct.
Show me the "intent"
Show me the "birth certificate"
The new hires will be allowed to live outside the city in exchange for reduced pension benefits. You were REQUIRED to reside in the city as a condition for your employment. By the time court challenges are finalized your kid will be out of college
-AMEN You SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER
1/28/2011 08:59:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If residency is taken down, your pension is gone forever.
1/28/2011 09:06:00 AM
More like if the pension is gone forever residency is taken down...
funny that the city fired a co-worker of my fathers from streets and san because they followed him home and determined that he wasnt residing at his home in the city and that he was residing with his girlfriend in the suburbs.....funny how something applies to some and not others. city is a joke.
Anonymous said...
I dislike Daley as much as anyone here, but we may look back on his time in office as the good old days.
1/28/2011 10:54:00 AM
you mean 'the less bad, bad old days'?
1/28/2011 05:20:00 PM
Remember that poster with Bush on it smiling and the text "Miss me yet?"
Somehow I cannot imagine the same thing with Daley. It's sort of like my second wife asking if I miss her when the third wife turns into a she-devil banshee.
I won't miss any of them. One asshole after another doesn't make me nostalgic for the previous asshole.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I just put my house up for rent and it comes with my wifes wedding dress. I do plan to tell my tenants I intend to return, but not any time soon.
1/28/2011 04:53:00 AM
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I'll do ya one better. I'll leave my wife AND her wedding dress in my basement!
1/28/2011 01:05:00 PM
Can I leave my wife down there too?
read their decision, they are careful to mention for elected officials not workers
Hahahahaha! Channel 7 leads off with the Rahm story. As they report it, the first thing Rahm did, when he heard the news, is make a phone call "HOME", to his wife and family in Washington, D.C.
There was no homeowners exemption in 2009 because he was not a resident in the chicago house
OT--
Major winter storm seems to be setting up for Tuesday/Wednesday next week...
Mike Kaplan mentioned this, and Tom Skilling agrees, saying --
"Plot continues evolving in next week's storm development. All models now on board with a winter storm and the Weather Service's Hydrological Prediction Center, which issues extended forecast guidance to NWS forecast offices across the country now headlining a "major winter storm setting up next week from the Rockies to... the Northeast". Track uncertainties real--they always are at this early stage." -- six hours ago
National Weather Service says "GIVEN THE
CURRENT SOLUTIONS...A SWATH OF HEAVY SNOW IS LIKELY AND WILL BE
CLOSE TO IF NOT SOMEWHERE IN THE [Chicago area]."
Keep an eye out...
Greetings. I am candidate x. I am running for the office of mayor of the city if Chicago. I am only interested in my own personal gain. I intend to steal everything that pants nailed down and hasn't already been stolen by my predecessors. I offer complete transparency in that every position in any city agency is available to the highest bidder. If you seek any redress of any grievance with my administration, make certain to deliver a suitcase full of untraceable 100 dollar into my secretary's top drawer before you enter my office.
The only difference between my intentions and those of the other candidates is that I am honest about my intentions. Believe me, every candidate has the same intentions.
I am candidate x, and I approve this message.
Today, at the 009th dist., the city wide team was there. I asked the question concerning taxing our heath care for the coverage of "Obamacare".
They our aware that the city will be puting a price on dependent coverage that the city claims they pay. Next year you will be taxed on that coverage.The city is NOT taking out taxes on this! Please set aside money to cover taxes as the Feds. want thier money. Bella is aware of this. I informed him that most
members of this department are not aware of this. I felt that the F.O.P. should inform the membership of this due to some members will be have to pay the goverment extra taxes at the end of the year. He said he would bring it to the next board meeting! I feel that you need to know now that you need to set aside money for these taxes.Please dont blame the city or the F.O.P for this tax just prepare yourself on that Federal taxes WILL need to be paid for this next tax season.
However....for a moment...can you imagine a catastrophe happening in the city and there are no additional policemen and firemen available, because they live outside the city? In the event this ever happens, there will be no extra protection for the citizens. Those who are paid to protect the city from destruction will be stuck in traffic in order to help when needed. I don't want to imagine what would happen in the event that these men and women, who swore to protect our city, will have the ability to live outside the city limits. The bad dream is that I and many more citizens of this city will watch in horror as the city burns! Self destructs! When that happens, who will stand up and take blame? Who will be held accountable? Funny, I already know the answer!
That's funny, are these the same citizens jumping on the bandwagon to change our pensions? The same citizens that are always against the police? Its amusing because the citizens dont want to back us, but want us there when the shit hits the fan. Cant have it both ways, either you are for us or against us, you decide. And the best part is you want us there 24hrs a day, but again we dont deserve our full pensions.? The "citizens" complaining that they dont have a pension, really? Are these citizens on call 24 hours when the shit hits the fan? Of course not, there is no argument not to pay what is owed the 1st responders. Why? Simple...because the "citizens do NOT want to be there when the shit hits the fan, they all want to be standing behind us looking for protection, more than willing to let us get injured, thats our job.
You're right. it is, so stop complaining when it comes to paying 1st responders, how about a little appreciation for a change.
I'm renting mine out and moving to Naperville!
enjoy your commute
FOP made the right call on who to back , the Sgts Assoc too. As usual, the Lts. Assoc lacks the balls to take a stand.
Lts also signed off on the last contract Sgts stuck w/ po's
Can someone explain how claiming a 250,000 loss on a small business is successful? Now I am not a business owner, however I thought the idea of successful meant making money!!
Who does she think pays for this, the taxpayer!!! Wake up
Did anyone tape the debate?? I just want to know if it was just myself that heard Rahm state '... when I 'moved' to Washington ...'
Anyone??
Residency?
"What is government if words have no meaning"
Can this ruling be used for officers already fired for residency? There should be a crapload of test cases already. One of them should sue for their job back and see what happens.
1/28/2011 10:33:00 AM
I don't think they've ever actually caught anyone, have they?
The city wants Quinn to change the demands on meeting the pension. They want to pay 80% rather than 90%. and they want 50 yrs rather than 25 yrs.
So since Daley failed to meet his obligations he wants again to change the rules so he still doesn't have to meet his obligations, this time for 50 yrs.
If this works, I think I'll call my credit card company whom I have a contractual duty with, and ask for an extention of 20 yrs interest free.
I'll vote for a communist before I vote for Rahm or those other two Bozo's.
Being single and having no children, can I, at retirement or taxtime have a rebate on my taxes? Why should I have to pay for childrens' education for YEARS when I have none?
Let's open this up!
Heard from a hq mouse that Jfled was shooting his mouth off about the FOP and the pension board giving Burge his pension. Jfled said that "he has never been so disguested and sickened in his life!"
Rahm says that he will elininate our pension and give us all the money we put in back,,wait for the tax bill...
Another campaign message from candidate x.
As part of my over all plan to enrich myself at the taxpayers expense, I am proposing a plan to have the city purchase 1 million dollar life insurance policy's on every juvenile arrested with the city being named the sole beneficiary (and by the city I mean me, candidate x,) I encourage all all police and fire personnel to get their insurance licenses so that they can write the low cost, tax funded, policy's as part of the arrest process for juveniles and collect the government paid premiums. (of course you'll have to register as a provider with the city and split the premiums with the city. (and by city, I mean me, candidate x)
I am candidate x and I approve this message.
Another message from candidate x
As part of my education reform platform, I propose the following:
All parents who pay property taxes in Chicago will now pay them directly to the city.( and by city, I mean me, candidate x) After 10 years of paying, a diploma will be issued along with transcripts. All students with a CPS high school diploma will then be automatically enrolled in a city college. The city(and by city, i mean me, candidate x) will split the federal money given to students with the parents. After four years, a BA degree will be issued to the student. Attendance is not mandatory.
I am candidate x and I approve this message.
Controversial Muslim cleric caught being smuggled into U.S. over Mexico border
Viva Chico and Luis
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351385/Controversial-Muslim-cleric-caught-smuggled-U-S-Mexico-border.html#ixzz1COYbdVJx
A wise man said this:
"The guiding principle (for American government) is that as long as the public is under control, everything is fine". (The traditional argument is) the powerful should gain ends by any possible means. As long as the public is kept under control, public will doesn't matter."
BINGO! (reminiscent of how FLOP regards us as well!)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-police-fire-pension-20110128,0,5405061.story
Daley wants you to now pay 12% of your pay into the pension you won't get anyway.
Here is one reason why you won't get a pension
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=12771932
The nation's fourth-largest housing authority spent lavishly on gifts for managers and a party with belly dancers, and its executive secretly spent more than $500,000 in housing authority funds to settle sexual harassment claims, but it allegedly ignored complaints of unsanitary conditions that nearly killed a 12-year-old resident.
Jfled said that "he has never been so disguested and sickened in his life!"
1/28/2011 09:37:00 PM
so now he knows how we feel......
how about a little appreciation for a change.
1/28/2011 08:23:00 PM
sorry, all they're gonna give up is a little change, to show their appreciation.
One asshole after another doesn't make me nostalgic for the previous asshole.
1/28/2011 07:31:00 PM
no, no, it's too easy.......
MMMMMMMMM BACON!!!!!
1/28/2011 06:20:00 PM
more like bacon bits.
Do you think Rahm's kids will go to CPS schools when they move back to their home in Chicago from their home in D.C.? Me thinks not.
1/28/2011 06:58:00 AM
Just saw Rahm's buddy David Axelrod on TV tonight. Axelrod left his wife and family here -- including a quite-ill epileptic daughter -- in Chicago to go to DC to serve as Obama's "senior adviser." He's just coming back now.
Two very similar cases, two entirely different approaches.
Fascinating.
Rahm wins we loose the FOP backed the wrong guy, vote for the Shields team.
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If Rahm wins, we all loose anyway! He's not our friend, and any Team that backs clown obviously isn't our friend either! KEEP THAT IN MIND THIS ELECTION!
everyone is so quick to take away benifits from police and fire. but what about the welafre/link card leeches. playing the system. everytime i turn around our "broke state" is giving them more and more. how about drug testing some of these people. putting a limit on how many bastard children they have. these leeches and liberal/crooked politicians selling themselves for votes have killed the beauty of this city and country. good honest poeple working harder for less.
Heard from a hq mouse that Jfled was shooting his mouth off about the FOP and the pension board giving Burge his pension. Jfled said that "he has never been so disguested and sickened in his life!"
1/28/2011 09:37:00 PM
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It probably rivals MY level of disgust at the OUTRAGEOUS salary JPWeis has drawn, at our expense, for the past three years.
Since Burge's conviction is not related to his job and since the supposed lies to the Feds occurred long after his retirement from the CPD, I'm fine with him keeping his pension. Flame away, but I'm fine with it.
Can this ruling be used for officers already fired for residency? There should be a crapload of test cases already. One of them should sue for their job back and see what happens.
1/28/2011 10:33:00 AM
I don't think they've ever actually caught anyone, have they?
1/28/2011 08:53:00 PM
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Unfortunately, you're wrong, and several of us were fired every year for residency, until recently.
Lately, IAD has suffered the same shortages as every unit, and there is no residency team anymore. Don't get all excited, though; an irate ex-girlfriend or a spouse who didn't get what they felt they 'deserved' in the divorce decree can still drop a dime and wreck your life.
Between them and the obnoxious neighbor, that's how almost all of the cases come in.
".....I'm fine with him keeping his pension. Flame away, but I'm fine with it.
1/29/2011 12:26:00 AM"
why shouldn't we all be?
the man earned it.
I intend to move back to the city when my children are finished with school. Is that reasonable.
Heard from a hq mouse that Jfled was shooting his mouth off about the FOP and the pension board giving Burge his pension. Jfled said that "he has never been so disguested and sickened in his life!"
Perhaps he'll leave early then ?
Heard from a hq mouse that Jfled was shooting his mouth off about the FOP and the pension board giving Burge his pension. Jfled said that "he has never been so disguested and sickened in his life!"
The sitting State's Attorney at the time still gets his pension
1/28/2011 08:11:00 PM posts about a snow storm hading for Chicago.
Yes because snow is so unusual for this time of year,
At least we should get the common courtesy of a "reach-around"!!!
It's da Chicago Way!
Yes, im going through financial hardships right now.So im gonna go live for free at mom and dads coach house in Napperville for freeand rent my house out . Save about three years of mortgage,pay the taxes ,water bill and leave some stuff there with the full intent of moving back ,when I get on my feet. We r talking about saving around 40-50k.
This issue may divide the department more than the steady watch issue. Officers with real estate investments in the city and grown children will resist the lifting of residency. Younger officers who rent or have young children will benefit the most by the change, we should look long and hard at this issue once it comes we will be stuck with it.
We can see that the stage is set should Rahm lose the election.
It will be OMG somehow the ballots without Ralm's name on, that were printed and supposed to be locked up mysteriously appeared in some wards and now we have to do it all over again.
[QUOTE]There is no way any Chicago police officer should ever even CONSIDER voting for Carol Moseley Braun. She is the enemy. In 1978, Braun was a leading member on the Committee to Elect Dr. John R. Lumpkin for the 7th Ward Alderman. The Lumpkins are prominent Chicago Communist Party members. In 1979 Carol Moseley Braun, while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, was listed as a founding sponsor of the Communist Party USA front - the so called U.S. Peace Council.
May 17th 1987 Moseley Braun helped sponsor, with Communist Party leaders Angela Davis and Herbert Aptheker, a benefit for Chicago Communist Party leaders Claude Lightfoot and Jack Kling.
Democratic Socialists of America member Timuel Black, Professor (emeritus) City College of Chicago, is a long time friend and supporter Moseley-Braun.
Lifelong Communist Party member Hannah Cohen was one of the key volunteers in the election campaign of Carol Moseley Braun's senatorial campaign
The Council for a Livable World, founded in 1962 by long-time socialist activist and alleged Soviet agent, Leo Szilard supported Carol Moseley Braun in her successful Senate run as candidate for Illinois.You can easily research all of these disturbing facts and much more...[UNQUOTE]
Wow, Communists in Chicago....who knew? :rolleyes:
Read "The Manchurian President" by Aaron Klein and get all the research you need in one place. Great book that lays out in great detail the whole Chicago Socialist/Communist scene.
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