Two Thousand Hires
- Mayoral candidate Gery Chico on Wednesday said he'll hire 2,000 more Chicago police officers if elected, but did not offer specifics on how he'd come up with the money to pay for them.
The former Chicago Board of Education president insisted he would find an extra $200 million over four years for the extra police, even though the city budget has had shortfalls of hundreds of millions of dollars in recent years.
Chico said if he can't rearrange the budget to fund such a hiring spree, he shouldn't be running for the city's highest office.
We wonder if there are even 2,000 eligible names on the most recent test list. The fact is that Chico is making this push while Rahm is on the defensive over his residency court loss. It's a sound strategy even if it's a bit dishonest. We don't see how he'd find $200 million in a budget that's been $500 million short a few years in a row.
We did like how the Tribune runs with a headline of "Chico Calls for Hiring 2,000 More Cops" but tops it with a picture of Rahm at a community meeting. They're not too obvious about being in the bag for Daley's preferred candidate, are they?
We did like how the Tribune runs with a headline of "Chico Calls for Hiring 2,000 More Cops" but tops it with a picture of Rahm at a community meeting. They're not too obvious about being in the bag for Daley's preferred candidate, are they?
Labels: city politics
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
142 Comments:
City is broke. The only way we get 2000 hires is paying minimum wage.
2,000 hires, shit, i'd be happy with 100. We haven't had a new person (under a year on) in our district in 2 years now. People just keep leaving and not getting replaced.
OT--
The dead of St. Johannes have lost.
Courts refused to hear their church's appeal, and now St. Johannes' Cemetery, holy ground for over 100 years, is going to be torn up for runways that even the airlines are trying to stop the construction of.
This desecration seems like a fitting final act for Mayor Daley, who hates the little people so.
I wouldn't be taking "eternal rest" for granted if I were him; there are lots of hard-physical-labor openings in the Devil's coal mine. 24/7/365, no breaks, and uphill both ways. Shouldn't be too hard for a dollar-a-day digger from Bridgeport, born to the spade and the sweat rag.
The meek shall inherit the earth...
GO CHICO! Rahm can you just go away?
He didn't say he would immediately hire 2,000 officers. He said 'by 2015'. Has everybody overlooked that?
And, as to how to pay for it, no problem. It will come from the existing budget.
The difference is, the money will now go toward ACTUAL police officers, instead of going wherever the hell it gets siphoned to right now.
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we might not need 2000 but we need something soon--- it takes a long time to hire someone and train them to do police work--- just wait until the killing season begins and we have nobody to send to handle the calls--- we are already fucked and you can place the blame on the sweaty midget who is retiring--- possum head begged mcmumbles to hire more police but he was shut down--- the chicago police department is a train wreck-- we need leadership now or we will be burying a lot of police officers in this town....
Congrats to Lt. Barb West-Givings on her placement in the Northwestern management school. Three merit promotions, created positions at HQ, Northwestern and the FBI Academy. She must really be extra special! Wish I were Tina's friend!
Guess we can expect a Command spot any day now. Surprised it took so long. Ignorance and incompetence are usually rewarded on this job. Right Ernie and Anthony?
If you guys believe Chico will hire 2000 more police, when the city can't even fund the pensions of present employees, y'all be smokin' that crack again...
how much is there in the TIF'S?
just a thought............. ReHIRES.......... Nothing but a week or two in 1300 then all that money spent on new hires.
We should all know how this campaign rhetoric goes by now.
Many years ago we watched a president preach "read my lips - no new taxes" during his campaign and what did we get right after? That's right more taxes.
More recently we watched another president tell us during his campaign that if a bill comes to his desk with a bunch of earmark's attached that he would veto it...and guess what happened. Yeah, you know.
Nevertheless, 2,000 officers over four years? You could very well wait until the end of the forth year to hire them all and the statement would be accurate right?
A lot of things could also happen over a four year time frame to provide excuses why we were just not able to do it too.
The same goes for all this talk about residency requirements for city workers. Has one candidate promised anything other than to discuss it? There's been no firm commitment for change in this reg.
By the time they could hire 2000, we'll be short 2500 MORE.
An article about deferred comp. I thought some of those posts were kiding around, but in fact if the city files bankruptcy they can go after our deferred comp accounts. This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/your-money/09money.html
Here's a article from our deferred contract that discussed the "creditors." Can anyone discipher this? Sounds to me like they can't go after our deferred if city goes kaput.
9.08 Unless specifically allowed herein, the rights of the Participant under this Plan shall not be subject to the rights
of creditors of the Participant or any Beneficiary, and shall be exempt from execution, attachment, prior
assignment, or any other judicial relief or order for the benefit of creditors or other third persons.
He will need to give a new test that will give ones that don't live in the city a chance to take the test. We will get a lot more applicants this way and they will not need to move into the city. Chico all the way
I currently do not live in Chicago but would like to join CPD I did not take the last test because I don't want to live in the city and never will. Now it looks like I will get my chance without the thought of moving. Lifting residency and hiring 2000 sounds good to me.
Let's get him to say he will give us a the increase in pay that we should have got with the last contract.
2:20 a.m. stop listening to all the fear mongers about deferred comp. Our deferred comp is a 437(b) plan, different than the type of deferred comp referred to in that article.
The only fear for our deferred comp is how much the tax rate will be when you start withdrawing funds.
Guys it is actually rather simple.
1/27/2011 01:46:00 AM said it first about the TiF's.
And Slash the Aldercreatures spare slush fund at least by 50%.
Letters came this week about the written in december...supposedly next academy is in april
What most people don't understand is that shortshanks has two sets of fiscal books. One which is 500 million in the red and the other which is 1.2 billion in the black.
Perhaps what Chico will do is tap into those funds to balance the budget and bring staff levels back to normal.
Of course I am refering to the TIF money. The TIF (shadow government) money gets replaced every year when you pay your property taxes.
Bullshit and no residency that's a win win for the city
take back Burkes badge
Chico is Daley's guy SCC!
Pay increase? Pass that bong, I wants to get a buzz, too. We are going to get crucified if the economy doesn't pick up during the next contract talks.
Hire 2000? They'll just be replacing retirees, we'll have some new guys for old ones.
Residency requirement? Please. They are not lifting that in our lifetimes. You think for one minute that they're going to give up all those middle class taxpayers?
On deferred comp, the city owns it until we retire. I don't know if it could be grabbed in bankruptcy. That would be a scary thought.
"An article about deferred comp. I thought some of those posts were kiding around, but in fact if the city files bankruptcy they can go after our deferred comp accounts. This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?"
Instead of wondering, why don't you call NRSS yourself and speak to someone. I did, and was told that NO, you will NOT lose your money in deferred compensation. The money in deferred compensation is held in a 3rd party trust (NRSS).
SCC:
Why no word from you on the UAW backing the ballerino? Just wondering.
If your going to pull numbers out of the air why not just say a Bazillion.
Why not just be honest with us?
to 1:53,,,,Rehires? They won't even hire laid off coppers from suburban departments, much less rehire anybody else.
Think of it, 75-100 coppers were laid off in the 5 county region over the past 18 months, I know some of them tried to get on with us, it would make sense since most of them trained at our academy via the Metro program. Give them a month or so in a dark blue to light blue program like the Army's "Blue to Green" to show them how we do it and other odds and ends peculiar to us and get them on the street.....But noooooo (Channeling John Belushi here) our bosses are too fucking stupid to think logically like that.
Many of those guys went to far off places in California, Texas and Florida. I know San Antonio hired a bunch just from one New Jersey department.
that $200,000,000 he talked about was over a 4 year period..
Chico will find the money in the current budget easily. $500 Million in a $6 billion dollar budget, drop in the bucket.
The city should have the money since we have a budget for 13,000. This is a no brainer. Hey Shortshanks, fine you are not hiring. Ok, well, where is the money??? Because it is in the budget. YOU RAT THIEF YOU!
letting people move outside the city would b the worst thing to happen to the city.
The city can not touch ur deferred. U put that in there.
Please Vote .....
FOP endorsed Chico without inquiring what his 15 or 20 solutions would be regarding police pension reform. Why? Don't go knocking on doors for Chico until you know my friends.
The other candidate Del Valle gave you the ugly truth:
"I support the two-tier pension system that requires newly-hired police officers and firefighters to wait until age 55 instead of 50 to retire with full benefits, reduced cost of living increases, and caps in the final salary upon which pensions are based in exchange for ensuring the pensions funds would be 90 percent funded by 2041."
"I believe the City of Chicago needs freedom to develop our own financial plan to make that work and that any increased City contributions should not come from a property tax hike".
We need more police on the streets. We need the truth from our FOP.
it is not a case of the city being broke, the police dept is budgeted for 135000 and that is the money that they get, that is why they call it a budget deficite, any money that is not used goes back into the general fund, as you all know that money going back to the general fund is what is being stolen
Anonymous said...
OT--
The dead of St. Johannes have lost.
Courts refused to hear their church's appeal, and now St. Johannes' Cemetery, holy ground for over 100 years, is going to be torn up for runways that even the airlines are trying to stop the construction of.
This desecration seems like a fitting final act for Mayor Daley, who hates the little people so.
I wouldn't be taking "eternal rest" for granted if I were him; there are lots of hard-physical-labor openings in the Devil's coal mine. 24/7/365, no breaks, and uphill both ways. Shouldn't be too hard for a dollar-a-day digger from Bridgeport, born to the spade and the sweat rag.
The meek shall inherit the earth...
1/27/2011 12:23:00 AM
When Daley does his final dirty deal and goes to his just reward and finally meets Satan there will be a never ending supply of police, former police and screwed over city workers ready and willing to water his grave with the urine of pissed off city workers.
You think he knows his grave will be eternally pissed on by those of us he has fucked over through the years?
Prepare for an eternity soaked in piss shortshanks.
If they change the pension for current empolyees they will never stop changing it. The government will not all of a sudden start funding it better, it will just keep changing the rules so they don't have to pay. Better plan now.
Anonymous said...
An article about deferred comp. I thought some of those posts were kiding around, but in fact if the city files bankruptcy they can go after our deferred comp accounts. This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?
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1/27/2011 02:20:00 AM
I might not be as bad off as originally thought by not putting that much $$ in there. After all I did hit on some of those longshot lottery tickets and a few of those horses finished in the money and I am not all that bad a poker player.
Degenerate gambling is better than watching the City's creditors dip into MY funds to pay off bills.
Anyone know where some good horses are running tonight? Any good tips on the Trifecta? I have to make up what I lost on the Bears game. I sure do miss Sportsmans Park.
Here's the thing though, our budget has not been reduced even though we are over 1300 officers short. Our budget remained the same for all intents and purposes. So, if the department is budgteted for, let's say, 13,000 officers salaries, and we only have 11,700 officers, WHERE'S THE MONEY? Where did the salaries of those 1300 officers go? Let's just do a little math, shall we? 1300 cops X 45,000 = 58.5 million dollars a year. We have been short this many officers for two years: 58.5 million X 2 = 117 million dollars. 117 MILLION DOLLARS. Hello Taxpayers, wouldn't you like to know where the police department and the city spent 117 MILLION DOLLARS over the past 2 years. Especially since they have been crying broke? I sure as hell would love to hear the answer to that one Shortshanks.
Here's a article from our deferred contract that discussed the "creditors." Can anyone discipher this? Sounds to me like they can't go after our deferred if city goes kaput.
9.08 Unless specifically allowed herein, the rights of the Participant under this Plan shall not be subject to the rights
of creditors of the Participant or any Beneficiary, and shall be exempt from execution, attachment, prior
assignment, or any other judicial relief or order for the benefit of creditors or other third persons.
1/27/2011 02:38:00 AM
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This means when YOU go bankrupt, your creditors can't touch your deferred comp. This is because it's a tax deferred account with which there is currently no vehicle for which a creditor can take the money out of the account yet YOU remain responsible for the taxes on that money. It creates a deeper debt for YOU just taking the money out.
This has nothing to do with the City trying to take your money away from you in these accounts. The city is not a creditor unless you owe them money.
In any event, the deferred comp account you hold is a contract between you and nationwide retirement solutions NOT the city of Chicago. There is no bargaining representative on behalf of everyone's accounts. They are individual accounts between you and an independent broker who charges you for every share you own.
In order for the city to attempt to take money out of those accounts, they would have to find a reason that you or every employee working for the city owed them money and then try and get a court to believe that it's in your best interest to pay back the city the money you owe through this account, and at the same time violate the terms of your contract between you and NRI.
So see, there ain't no way the City can take that money because it's just like trying to take money out of your savings account without your approval. They'd need a court order and proof that you owed them money.
The idea that they can just take your money to fill a budget whole is a complete joke and can never happen, that is unless the City violates every labor law in existence, commits the crime of cybertampering and then steals the money electronically, and while Chicago politicians are as stupid and ignorant as they come and they could never find a guy smart enough to pull off the crime, there'll always be someone who tells them they can't do it because it's against the law.
That money's safe dude. The only thing you have to worry about is our entire economy going under and all civil law is suspended, at which time you'll likely see NRI disappear with all our money and you'll be left with what you have in your pocket and the ammunition you already bought for zombie day.
Anonymous said...
Congrats to Lt. Barb West-Givings on her placement in the Northwestern management school. Three merit promotions, created positions at HQ, Northwestern and the FBI Academy. She must really be extra special! Wish I were Tina's friend!
Guess we can expect a Command spot any day now. Surprised it took so long. Ignorance and incompetence are usually rewarded on this job. Right Ernie and Anthony?
1/27/2011 12:40:00 AM
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Advice from:
Carothers, Fletcher, West (soon), Penny, Flores and many other merit genius exempts. .
Remember two things: 1.) Only the "best and brightest are promoted. 2.) Actually passing an exam is a career road
block.
I work in the area,and now we know why you call the co in 051 the "midway princess"! This is another clout merit promotion obviously,every arrest made she wants "felony upgrade"! Will she ever be sat down and told how it works?ES we have trouble getting upgrades for an agg batt,and you want it for a baggage thief? All you do is create more paper and meaning less work no upgrade and if we use our "clout"to get it,what happens in court? Your right former detective it is downgraded to a misdemeanor! So maybe you need to go where you belong district law enforcement and show them how you can cry like when you made Sgt and were not put where you wanted right?
Anonymous said...
I currently do not live in Chicago but would like to join CPD I did not take the last test because I don't want to live in the city and never will. Now it looks like I will get my chance without the thought of moving. Lifting residency and hiring 2000 sounds good to me.
1/27/2011 02:53:00 AM
You might as well move kid cause it will never happen ......... you re gonna live in the city or not work for the city
Find it? I wil give it to you right now. Its in the existing budget. Hire the p.o's, det, sgt that you are budgeted for.....thats how!
This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/your-money/09money.html
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Well, what this article is failing to tell you is that the deferred comp plans it's describing here are maintaned and managed by the company itself and they are considered an asset of that company.
YOUR retirement account rests with a third party called Nationwide Investment Services based out of Michigan. The money deposited into that account is just like money deposited into your checking account. The checking account is between you and your bank and it's not an asset of the City as those plans described in the scare tactic article were.
Don't worry, that money has left the coffers or accounts of Chicago just like your checking accounts and direct deposit.
It's no longer an asset of the City that can be touched.
And as an aside note, if the city declares bankruptcy, they file chapter 9 which is the only avenue available to a municipality. Chapter 9 provides that the city can basically pick and choose what creditors it's going to include as "unpayable" in their mandated "plan". Emanuel has no intention of ruining Chicago credit by not paying off his bills to third parties, he fully intends to merely claim the pension plans as his only debt he can't pay and attempt to destroy only the pension plans without harming outside creditors and bond holders.
See how that works? City gets to fuck over whom it wants in bankruptcy court while at the same time keeping a minimum credit rating sos not to scare off future bondholders, and the courts are powerless to stop the city from pulling this shit as well.
I laughed this morning listening to WLS radio talking about Rahm's treatment of Chicago news reporters by referring to them as just like his little children. LOL!!
And they think that Daley had a war with them.
The next war when Rahm is crowned will be like comparing getting shot with a BB gun to getting vaporized by a nuke.
Chico is the lesser of two evils, but he is starting to sound a bit like Homer Simpson running for sanitation commissioner. "Can't somebody else do it?" was the motto. Garbage men came into your house to clean and take out the garbage. Needless to say the budget was drained in a month. Doh!
I don't give a fuck if Chico hires 2,000 more officers or not, he won't take our pensions like Rahm.
That's enough for me to vote for him.
Go Chico!!
The city owns your deferred comp until you leave. Various local municipalities have tried to use it as collateral but have been stopped by the courts so far.
Congrats to Lt. Barb West-Givings on her placement in the Northwestern management school. Three merit promotions, created positions at HQ, Northwestern and the FBI Academy. She must really be extra special! Wish I were Tina's friend!
Guess we can expect a Command spot any day now. Surprised it took so long. Ignorance and incompetence are usually rewarded on this job. Right Ernie and Anthony?
Same as it ever was.
you might be surprised how much money a new mayor will find..................
Anonymous said...
I currently do not live in Chicago but would like to join CPD I did not take the last test because I don't want to live in the city and never will. Now it looks like I will get my chance without the thought of moving. Lifting residency and hiring 2000 sounds good to me.
1/27/2011 02:53:00 AM
That will never happen. Residency is a political sound bite, nothing more. When Chico becomes mayor, he will shelf the residency issue to a later date. He might hire 2,000 over ten years. YOu need to listen or read his statements carefully.
BACK IN 2008 THE TIFS HAD
1.5 BILLION.
AND WE ARE STILL FILLING UP THAT CASH COFFER.
DA MAYOR USES IT AS A TREAT FOR ALDERMAN TO VOTE HIS WAY AND OF COURSE FLOWER POTS AND GIVING IT TO SPORTS TEAMS.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-shadow-budget-who-wins-in-daleys-tif-game/Content?oid=1848124
To 1/27/2011 12:23.00 AM
Pal, you need to relax.
2,000 hell I would be happy if we just would use the money that's put aside in the budget to hire officers. OT: but did u know the city spends 1.5 million on flowers for the medians I would rather look a woodchucks and hire more police over the summer its hard to take a day off. Geesh... Chico may not be able to hire 2,000 but I would take half of that I just want to be able to ask for some more cars and them be rolling.
Great News!
January 27, 2011 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Chicago's school board has adopted a program to offer free breakfast to all Chicago Public Schools students.
Some schools already offered the program, but now, more schools in Chicago will be able to get it. It is already offered in 199 district schools, but beginning next month, it will expand into an additional 299 elementary schools.
The new program will feed 410,000 children. Items on the breakfast menu include cereal and milk. Children will get a grab-and-go bag and be able to take it into the classroom.
School board members believe this will have nutritional and psychological benefits for children.
The move isn't coming without critics. Some parents believe this will take 10 to 15 minutes out of the school day, adding up to 10 lost school days a year. They argue that it will disrupt learning, especially for kids who eat at home.
Individual students will be able to opt out, but some parents wanted entire schools to be able to opt out of the program. School board members denied that request
We teach them. We clothe them. We pay for their school supplies. Now we feed them before, during, and after school!
Hell, it will only be a few years before they are allowed to live in the schools. Then they parents (and I cringe using that term) can shot out more babies with no responsability and collect more government checks and spend it on more gym shoes and hair extensions for themselves.
God bless this City
CPD doesn't need 2,000 more police officers . Reassign Officers from units and desk duties to District Patrol , fire than rehire and civilianize all light duty officers
at half of police officers pay .
They perform clerical work and receive a Police Officers salary,
that's unfair to all of us assigned to districts.
1800 W. 103rd is the Headquarters for the 19th ward
OT: Burge Keeps Pension.
Vote 4-4
All our Trustees voted for Burge.
All City Appointees voted to take it Away.
An article about deferred comp. I thought some of those posts were kiding around, but in fact if the city files bankruptcy they can go after our deferred comp accounts. This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/your-money/09money.html
1/27/2011 02:20:00 AM
Worse yet, it appears that Congress has summoned experts on state bankruptcy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41188877/#
Anonymous said...
OT--
The dead of St. Johannes have lost.
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We the living have won. The intersecting runways have got to go. One mistake could mean the demise of hundreds.
REHIRE! You gotta be kidding me. Came on 78',retired in 07' I remember real bosses & competent leadership that cared about the troops.
I would never work for the likes of Henny-Penny or other assortment idiots, nor anointed ones like Kirby or West-Givings.
Maybe, just maybe if J.C. was Supt. I'd think about it. Good idea, but with current climate, no thanks.
"It's a sound strategy even if it's a bit dishonest. We don't see how he'd find $200 million in a budget that's been $500 million short a few years in a row."
He's going to tell everyone at the City Council, and connected with the City to just stop stealing.
That will probably make up the 200 mil...
That would be awesome! I got 8 years on in a fast district. Maybe I could get Special then. Maybe they would take into account that I am a worker and do like a "meritorious" special for guys like me in the "bubble years". Do any big bosses read this blog? You are free to have my idea and impress the higher ups, it will only work in my favor.
Anonymous said...
Congrats to Lt. Barb West-Givings on her placement in the Northwestern management school. Three merit promotions, created positions at HQ, Northwestern and the FBI Academy. She must really be extra special! Wish I were Tina's friend!
Guess we can expect a Command spot any day now. Surprised it took so long. Ignorance and incompetence are usually rewarded on this job. Right Ernie and Anthony?
1/27/2011 12:40:00 AM
Considering they were still looking for volunteers to fill the class last Tuesday, it sounds like a waste of a phone call to me. Grow Up
Anonymous said...
I currently do not live in Chicago but would like to join CPD I did not take the last test because I don't want to live in the city and never will. Now it looks like I will get my chance without the thought of moving. Lifting residency and hiring 2000 sounds good to me.
1/27/2011 02:53:00 AM
Dream away.
OK, that's just one thing, what else is this Daley Tool promising ???
Roseanne Pulido for Mayor, Republican. We can dream, cant we ?
ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS SAYS:
a better idea yet is to hire some new personnel, and also hire back some retirees on a part-time basis, to take the places of all the Bosses pals and girlfriends on active duty, working desks and Commanders Offices , etc.. Put em on the street, male or females. Do you want to be a Cop, or do you want to be a Secretary? If you don't want to do street police work, leave.
Burge pension not going to endear many to the plight of police pensions.
Yea.........Right.........Sure.....
OK.......When ????????
Scc, have you heard of these clowns starting another "tact" team? It seems because the saturation teams are gone from the area, they are looking for volunteers to work out of the area , where they will work on the 2nd and 3rd watches in "hot spots" in the area. In our C.O. book, they're looking for 6 volunteers. 6 bodies times 5 districts per area, sounds like 30 bodies to me.
Sounds strikingly familiar.....
City broke? Cant meet current pension obligations? 2 tiered pension for new hires a reality now? A police department run by a band of fools? Lowest morale in decades? Being taxed to death in their own City, County, and State?
Who in their right mind would ever even consider this job? Even with no residence clause...
Money comes from cutting Burkes detail? RIGHT
Yea and If I am elected mayor you will get 2000 more dollars a year and 2000 more BLAH BLAH BLAH!
The answer to the shortage is to hire people from the new list first who are already certificated as Cops in Illinois. A lot of suburban guys who have even been trained by our Academy could be hired, do a retread type training and be in the districts in weeks. Even the aviation guys could move into CPD....
Gotta love the news today that CPS is going to provide FREE breakfasts to its students. $41 million cost to the city, as if a majority of these students don't get enough for free.
Think about those new hires eh?
Their pension plan benefits have been reduced in comparison to the old timers -- those hired in after 2011 that is.
Hoo-ray for everyone that got hired-in under the wire and will get the higher benefits under the old plan...Oh but wait!
Doesn't that fact place a target on the backs of those with the higher benefits?
Oh yeah, I think so.
If the city is looking to cut cost and fix the underfunded pension problem the next step is to obviously churn the city employee workforce.
Get those people with the higher benefit plans out and the new kids in.
The closer you get to retirement the more you can step up the churn process. The less leverage you'll have too.
Sure, 2,000 new hires OVER FOUR YEARS is probably no big deal.
We'll probable see 3,000 retire or quit over that time frame. No-one said we were going to increase the total number of coppers right?
Think of it like the reported job creations and the unemployment stats. 50,000 new jobs were created they say in the headlines and 150,000 jobs were eliminated.
WRT: "OT--The dead of St. Johannes have lost"
I'm, surprised Daley didn't pull another Meigs field and roll the bulldozers and jackhammers in the middle of the night busting up headstones and digging up caskets leaving them in a piled mess to get his way.
Don't go messin with "the family" business now.
Rehire the retired on a part time basis just like some burbs are doing.
This will supplement the field units and keeps the city's cost down because there is no health care or pension costs associated with part-time police officers.
Real question is what part of his remarks about" realigning all city departments Ie CPD from top down and putting the workers where they are really needed"...don't you get? If you take 2/3s of the sworn gun trained hires out of all the desk jobs in a top down realignment Chico has 2000 more sworn on the streets. Then he can slowly hire replacements for the retirees on the new hire/no pension plan and its a win. And he will fill those empty holster jobs that actually might be needed with clerks not police officers at at least 60 to 70 percent cost to tax payers even without hiring ex cons!
Lifting residency, hiring 2000 more cops. Is there anything this guy can not accomplish for the police department. What will he say next? I bet he can also stop merit promotions and everybody gets a take home car!!!!
Don't believe what this mother fucker says. He is a politician and will do anything to get the throne.
An article about deferred comp. I thought some of those posts were kiding around, but in fact if the city files bankruptcy they can go after our deferred comp accounts. This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/your-money/09money.html
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What is our early withdrawal penalty? 10%?
Anonymous said...
An article about deferred comp. I thought some of those posts were kiding around, but in fact if the city files bankruptcy they can go after our deferred comp accounts. This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/your-money/09money.html
1/27/2011 02:20:00 AM
This applies to a deferred comp plan of a private company, such as Chrysler, not a government entity.
Ours is 457k, supposedly safe after the Orange County thing. Companies don't get 457k, they use another type of 457 or 401.
We all trust the City of Chicago to take good care of our retirement money, right?
Politicians can say whatever they want...the rub is... once elected, do they fulfil their empty promises. Politicians are noted liars, we should know better!
You can actually make due with less than 10,000 if you do away with some of the useless special units.
OT there is a story floating around that two mass transit coppers were working a few days ago and were on a platform discussing Rham Emanuel and what an "ass" he is when they turn around to see that he was actually there shaking hands with patrons. Emanuel appanently overheard this conversation and approached the two and asked what the issue was with him? The men replied that "you are going to take our pensions" to which he simply responded "yes I am". He explained that all of the years of political theivery that has gone on there is "no other way to repair the damage but to use the pension funds of municipal employees". This is a very true story... No bullshit. vote for whom you like but I am NOT voting for this evil man, he has no right to our money... We worked for it and our families depend on it.
He should have said,I'd sell my soul to control this city, oops that would be telling the truth.
To fund 2000 hires chico said "eliminate" the eight layers of command between weis and DCs and the eleven layers between weis and patrol officers....
Off Topic: Have you seen this article in today's CNN,
SCC? It appears numerous FBI agents have been playing dirty in their own offices, on duty and after hours:
Editor's note: Some content in this report may be offensive to readers. For more on this CNN exclusive story, watch Kyra Phillips' full report on "The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer" tonight starting at 5 p.m. ET.
Washington (CNN) -- An FBI employee shared confidential information with his girlfriend, who was a news reporter, then later threatened to release a sex tape the two had made.
A supervisor watched pornographic videos in his office during work hours while "satisfying himself."
And an employee in a "leadership position" misused a government database to check on two friends who were exotic dancers and allowed them into an FBI office after hours.
These are among confidential summaries of FBI disciplinary reports obtained by CNN, which describe misconduct by agency supervisors, agents and other employees over the last three years.
Read the FBI documents obtained by CNN
'Congrats to Lt. Barb West-Givings on her placement in the Northwestern management school. Three merit promotions, created positions at HQ, Northwestern and the FBI Academy. She must really be extra special! Wish I were Tina's friend!
say what you want about her, the woman is sharp. Since she doesn't have a command (and possibly may not want one, who knows? Couldn't blame her for not wanting to join that circus under J-Fled), and may never obtain one before she retires, whenever that is, she may as well take advantage of every training session the Dept. will pay for, as would anyone else. She can probably use all that training to her advantage somewhere else when she leaves this sad-sack Police Dept. here, and I wouldn't blame her for that, either. See how often Masters & RayRay have been sent out for training over the past 3 years, even out of the USA.
What would 3M possibly accomplish as a civilian by going to Israel on the CPD's dime, besides looking up some long-lost relatives?
2,000 hires, shit, i'd be happy with 100. We haven't had a new person (under a year on) in our district in 2 years now. People just keep leaving and not getting replaced.
1/27/2011 12:23:00 AM
He have the same problem. Sorta. Everyone with clout keeps leaving for the Entertainment Detail and the 5th Watch.
OT: George Ryan's wife is once again (still?) at death's door meaning George and his mouthpiece, Big Jim Thompson are again asking for a furlough so he can visit her in the hospital.
I thought she was on the verge of checking out last month?
I had a family member with the same diagnosis as Ryan's wife except in my family member's case it was true. Systemic blood infection, sepsis. My family member was with his creator the next day.
Old Lura Lynn is one tough broad. I am getting the feeling she might be around for Valentine's Day, President's Day, Pulaski Day, hell, she might see the first robin of spring and then, Memorial Day!
More tear jerking cries of compassionate release for the unrepentant criminal Ryan.
Bullshit!
Like the old outfit guys with their oxygen masks, this woman doesn't seem ready to check out just yet.
I wonder if they don't have a monster steak dinner ready for George when he gets to the hospital. Maybe a hot escort or two and a cigar.
And still Bill Cozzi sits in his Federal Prison cell in Lousiana.
Fuck George Ryan, let Cozzi loose!
OT: Just saw on Channel 7 news that the Chicago Public School system is going to be providing BREAKFAST too now along with the free lunches for the students. I'm sorry, but if our tax dollars are already going for LINK, then what are they doing with the money? LINK should be paying for the kids to eat at home. So they want to mess with our pensions, but we can give the kids two free meals a day. They estimated that the eating time they are allowing amounts to 10 days of missed education. It's outrageous to keep giving when the hand is extended. LINK going for getting nails did and everything else apparently. FEED YOUR KIDS AT HOME WITH THE MONEY ALREADY PROVIDED.
Did you notice how the news media said 365 every two years. However they didn't mention we don't get workmen comp along with you had better have cancer or some REAL fucked up medical reason or their coming after you. OK OK I know you cry babies are going to tell me about the guy who abuses it. will we have at the most maybe 20. The average worker takes 8 days a year the average Chicago police officer takes 2 days a year. Very few officers use the medical so don't let them suck you in because of a few. My family all work for the private sector they receive 14 to 30 days medical that adds up each year and if you have an illness additional months are given. Yet if you are injured on the job you get workmen Comp that totals 75% of pay and a separate check for pain and suffering. We would be better off with that system, The city won't do it, because it would cost a hell of a lot more money. My Brother was hurt on the job Very bad break in his leg will he was off for 4 years with 75% and received a settlement. He was retrained ( back to school)with the same company doing a different job. Now that's a company who takes care of their employees. He will always have a limp yet he was not kicked to the curb.
LETS DO IT CHICO!!!!!!!
Get rid of Jody, there's 350K savings right there, that's enough for 5 Officers.
Exempts that are useless, talk about savings and take away the take home cars you have the balance to hire the additional 1,995 Officers
Do I have to reside in the city of Chicago to be a Police Officer?
Just making sure, someone told me I had to. It's so expensive for everything in the city, housing, rent taxes, etc. how do Officers afford to live there?
Thank you
I went to Chico's web page to read more about his public safety plan I do like the park where he says that there is way to many layers of fat on the department. Then need to cut out all these appointed positions and streamline the management part of the CPD to make it work more efficently and with more accountablity.
I also like how he has a plan for
the different things he wants to do. I really don't see it with the other candidates. I go to all the sites to see what the others have to say and find very very little.
And when you see Chico on tv he is talking about his plans. Rahm only answers questions about why he should be able to run.
I'm looking foward to the debates starting tonight.
We should have nnever endorsed Chico. He IS Daley's guy. Remember fellow friends he's also Ed Burke's guy. Telling us we can move out of this city is a red herring. It will never happen. Rahm and Chico are lying to us and we gave Chico our endorsement... what the fuck. We're getting screwed once again prior to en election. Good old Chicago politics. I say voting for Rahm or Chico is a vote for Mayor Daley and our current state of disaster. Send Rahm back home to D.C. Tell Burke he don't own the Supreme Court only his wife. Protect your badge and think this election thru ... shortage of manpower, crime increasing, and education for our future youth -- that's where we can save ourselves and the next generation. Educate our kids. Protect our kids. Watch the debate and educate yourselves tonight
Give them a month or so in a dark blue to light blue program like the Army's "Blue to Green" to show them how we do it and other odds and ends peculiar to us and get them on the street.....
Yeah, we'll show them how to do it. Training takes place at Grand/Rush -- 1400-2200 hrs.
Oh, hell. Rahm's being allowed to run. Unanimous decision.
There's no hope for Chicago. It's going to business as usual, with a dose of his foul mouth and arrogance thrown in.
Apparently there are no more residense laws. I still ainm'ty voting fjor the carpet bagger.
Illinois Supreme Court
says Rahmbo is on the ballot
CFD and CPD next year at this time you'll have reduced pension and other benefits
OT: but did u know the city spends 1.5 million on flowers for the medians I would rather look a woodchucks and hire more police over the summer its hard to take a day off. Geesh... Chico may not be able to hire 2,000 but I would take half of that I just want to be able to ask for some more cars and them be rolling.
1/27/2011 10:41:00 AM
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Could someone please define "look a woodchucks"?
Rahm ON ballot per IL Supreme Court.
We're fucked.
I am going to get a true and accurate calculation of my pension annuity ASAP, I don't want to work for that jagoff. My anniversary date comes in early fall. The first pay period after that, adios mi amigos. No mas for me.
Ed Burke. Gary Chico. Ann Burke. Rahm Emanuel. President Obama. What do they all have in fuckin common?
Don't send me know body that NObody sent.
Carol Braun is a distraction. Whose left? Yeah I agree DelValle should have beem endorsed by the FOP.
^smoke and bullmirrors ^ Ha raise taxes??????
You're next Dictator will be Rahm. Was there any doubt?
Not good news!
I hate this place.
Excuse me, but are we not already paying for those 2,000 (or 2,500) cops?
Has money for the police department been sent down the 'Limpic rathole?
Has money for the police department been committed to Wacker Drive flower boxes?
Is Chico, or anyone else going to change that? Not unless we kick some political ass.
O.T.
Politics as usual. Supreme Court unanimously agreed to keep the anointed one (Rahm) on the ballot.
We can only hope for a runoff between Rahm and Chico.
I really didn't think we could ever have a bigger jagoff than Ritchie Daley as mayor. I truly believe Rahm would be worse than Daley.
what everyone seems to miss is, there are approximately 1800 BUDGETED spots open, which means the money is already there for the police officers, they just have to fill the vacancies. When that budgeted spot is left open, that particular salary is sent back to the general fund. No more money is needed, just use the money allocated to the police dept.
No Worries about the 2,000 officers.
Your not getting more officers and you probably wont even keep your pension.
It just went from bad to worse in one day.
"Sun Times"
Rahm Emanuel can run for mayor, the Illinois Supreme Court has ruled.
In a 7 to 0 decision, the court Thursday said an appellate court erred in taking Emanuel off the ballot earlier in the week.
First stop crying about Lt West. Tony, and Ernie. Others have been promoted for such a long time that have had that special ser name. Also when it come to police work you cannot carry Ernie's jock strap. Do you have to take a test for Captain? Did you know that you dont take a test for the exempts. So such the Fuck up! If you are going to call out one call them all out.
NO ONE in private industry gives you 30 days sick leave a year. Do't believe it. When I retired I went to work at a large corporation. We had five sick days each year, the were cumulative. And, we also had an insurance policy for short term serious illness which paid 75% of our salary if we had a serious illness. Long term serious illness insurance was on our dime. It is tough to defend the sick leave policy of the department. It was nice to have, but tough to defend with all of the abusers. When I came on we had 6 months sick leave for serious illness, then it went to one year . There are way too many people abusing the system and someday I think you will lose this benefit. The abusers always screw things up for those who want to do the right thing.
Anonymous said...
you might be surprised how much money a new mayor will find..................
1/27/2011 10:12:00 AM
...to pocket.
art 9 of deferred comp just tells you no one can attach your savings for any of your debts, even if you file for bankruptcy. I am not sure if the cities creditors have any claims. I doubt it, but I am not an attorney.
Anonymous said...
.... Lifting residency and hiring 2000 sounds good to me.
1/27/2011 02:53:00 AM
Sounds TOO good to be true
Can we use the fact that we are short manpower for the next contract? I think the math works out that for every sworn member the city is getting 1.22 officers for every one. For every officer they pay, they actually get the equivalent of 1.22 officers. According to the sup. Crime is going down. So we should get at least a 22% raise a year for every year the department is not at full budgeted strength.
Read the FBI documents obtained by CNN
1/27/2011 03:59:00 PM
this can't be true.
feebs are neutered/spayed before receiving their 'special agent' classification.
it's to prevent inbreeding.
Don't believe what this mother fucker says. He is a politician and will do anything to get the throne.
1/27/2011 02:49:00 PM
yes, the rahmbonie will do anything.
Yea and If I am elected mayor you will get 2000 more dollars a year and 2000 more BLAH BLAH BLAH!
1/27/2011 12:50:00 PM
i like the sound of that 2000 more blah blah blah.
do i get a reacharound with the blah blah blah?
OK, that's just one thing, what else is this Daley Tool promising ???
Roseanne Pulido for Mayor, Republican. We can dream, cant we ?
1/27/2011 12:06:00 PM
carol or rahm, which one to choose, which one to choose?
Chalkie
He's going to tell everyone at the City Council, and connected with the City to just stop stealing.
That will probably make up the 200 mil...
1/27/2011 11:29:00 AM
and than some.
rahm flat out said he WILL cut your pension why would any cpd or cfd vote for this guy. just like quinn said he would raise taxes and poeple still voted for him.
An article about deferred comp. I thought some of those posts were kiding around, but in fact if the city files bankruptcy they can go after our deferred comp accounts. This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/your-money/09money.html
1/27/2011 02:20:00 AM
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If you read the Plan Document of the City of Chicago's Deferred Compensation Plan, there is a section regarding creditors:
9.08 Unless specifically allowed herein, the rights of the Participant under this Plan shall not be subject to the rights
of creditors of the Participant or any Beneficiary, and shall be exempt from execution, attachment, prior assignment, or any other judicial relief or order for the benefit of creditors or other third persons.
2:20 a.m. stop listening to all the fear mongers about deferred comp. Our deferred comp is a 437(b) plan, different than the type of deferred comp referred to in that article.
The only fear for our deferred comp is how much the tax rate will be when you start withdrawing funds.
xxxxx
Thank you for the clarification~
hope you are right.
I currently do not live in Chicago but would like to join CPD I did not take the last test because I don't want to live in the city and never will. Now it looks like I will get my chance without the thought of moving. Lifting residency and hiring 2000 sounds good to me.
1/27/2011 02:53:00 AM
I think your day may come. I don't think you will be making the same as those hired before you. You also will get 12 sick days a year, but you will be able to carry some over to the next year. But it's all about you then, isn't it?
OFF-TOPIC from Chicago Breaking News:
"The Gurnee woman accused of assaulting a police officer with a sex toy is in jail and awaiting a transfer to an alcohol rehab center, authorities said."
Moral of the story: don't dick around in Lake County
Illinois Supreme Court
says Rahmbo is on the ballot
CFD and CPD next year at this time you'll have reduced pension and other benefits
No he will bting in $ and investment Watch all the movies that will be made here and industry you will get better training and equipment More federal dollars too
Anonymous said...
"It's a sound strategy even if it's a bit dishonest. We don't see how he'd find $200 million in a budget that's been $500 million short a few years in a row."
He's going to tell everyone at the City Council, and connected with the City to just stop stealing.
That will probably make up the 200 mil...
1/27/2011 11:29:00 AM
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You are wrong. When he tells them to stop stealing it will save up about $800 million. 500 to fill the gap in the budget, 200 to hire to additional police & 100 left over that they will try to steal later in the year again.
Sheesh said...
Burge pension not going to endear many to the plight of police pensions.
1/27/2011 12:15:00 PM
The Burge pension issue was decided based on pension law by the pension board.
The conviction occurred 10 years after Burge's employment with the City of Chicago was terminated. The convictions temmed from an alleged lie told to federal investigators in a vilil case. That was not related directly to Burge's employment so they decided he did not lose his pension.
If they took his pension it would go to court where he likely would win anyway.
Connected to his employment does not include a civil case 10 years after termination. Hence, he keeps the pension.
But how about the three pensions totaling over $300,000 a year that Daley gets? Why doesn't that piss off voters even a little bit?
Is Chico, or anyone else going to change that? Not unless we kick some political ass.
1/27/2011 05:34:00 PM
Chico's not going to change anything, if he doesn't get elected mayor.
Anonymous said...
"An article about deferred comp. I thought some of those posts were kiding around, but in fact if the city files bankruptcy they can go after our deferred comp accounts. This is really scarring the shit out of me. I got all my eggs riding in this basket. Any info from anyone that might know more on the issue?"
Instead of wondering, why don't you call NRSS yourself and speak to someone. I did, and was told that NO, you will NOT lose your money in deferred compensation. The money in deferred compensation is held in a 3rd party trust (NRSS).
1/27/2011 07:41:00 AM
I'll bet you called Chevy and asked them which is the best car made. Call a major investment firm and they will tell you that your employer should never have any control over your investment.Ask one question. Can the city take control of the funds if a financial emergency (bankruptcy)is declared.
On a related topic: Scores have been sent out to those who took the December test; POWER testing is tentatively scheduled to begin in about six more weeks.
Word to the wise who have passed the written: Start working out now!
OT: Just saw on Channel 7 news that the Chicago Public School system is going to be providing BREAKFAST too now along with the free lunches for the students. I'm sorry, but if our tax dollars are already going for LINK, then what are they doing with the money? LINK should be paying for the kids to eat at home. So they want to mess with our pensions, but we can give the kids two free meals a day. They estimated that the eating time they are allowing amounts to 10 days of missed education. It's outrageous to keep giving when the hand is extended. LINK going for getting nails did and everything else apparently. FEED YOUR KIDS AT HOME WITH THE MONEY ALREADY PROVIDED.
1/27/2011 04:22:00 PM
The are getting dinner too.
s Chico, or anyone else going to change that? Not unless we kick some political ass.
1/27/2011 05:34:00 PM
Chico's not going to change anything, if he doesn't get elected mayor
Signed: Eddie Burke with my security detail and my police pension vote to save me working fool cops
working fool cops
1/28/2011 06:20:00 AM
you must be a carol mostly fraud fan.
Just take back the parking meters. That contract should be null and void based on Shortshanks insanity. For fucks sake he tore down an airport when everyone was asleep!
Shove it Chico. I hired my own cop to assist me in all my policing duties. He couldn't pass a drug test but then neither did some of our current commanders and I haven't even promoted mine to sgt. yet.
Show some balls. He deserves his pension and then some.
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