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People say the darnedest things. From the comments:
- OT: yesterday in 018, the roving mob was out again,...an officer came on the air and asked the Sgt. if he could just lock them all up for mob action,....the response....just observe them for now, and let them know we are here.....so the tact teams just "were around the area"....THIS IS WHY THEY DO WHAT THEY DO.....no more old school bosses that would just say..."LOCK THEIR ASSES UP"....how come this doesn't happen in the faster districts?....cause they know that they will be LOCKED UP....
Asked a Sergeant if he could lock them up? A number of other readers took this commentator to task:
- Hey mr. "no more bosses with balls": does that mean the sgt had the coppers balls locked up in his trunk. Maybe the officer could have dusted off his own set of balls and locked them the fuck up like a real copper instead of trying to look for special dispensation first. This attitude is what's wrong with the department! You are given a car, a gun and arrest powers and you've got to ask permission to make an arrest. I can picture the testimony now: but officer why did you arrest my clients? " because my sgt. said to". So you observed no crime occur?
Get the point yet?
We all have the power to arrest, if you observe a crime being committed, do something about it! You don't have to ask for permission. And if they haven't done anything or you think they are suspicious, nothing says you can't do a field interview/ contact card. At least then we know who the hell they are then. - Seriously, you have to come on the air to ask permission to lock someone up? You must be one of those guys that has to front a Sgt. off on every call too. Man up and make a decision officer. If you see someone break a law lock them up, if you don't know the law, stay off the street!
- How about being the fucking POLICE!!!! Why do you need your Sgt. approval to lock their asses up?? Are you not smart enough to find PC on them for something, give me a fucking break---Be the Police or go back to where the fuck you came from.
We understand not wanting to stick your neck out for this administration, but that doesn't mean putting your head in the sand.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
159 Comments:
That officer's request (on air, no less) is typical of the mindset of the CPD under the J-Fled/3M 'Leadership by fear' module that has been in place for almost 3 years now. Don't do anything, don't think, ask a supervisor, someone who outranks you (and by virtue of THAT ALONE, or being placed in the big scheme of things by way of City Hall), and they will do the thinking for you!
But, should that decision be a poor one, no one from the Executive Command of the CPD, especially the likes of 3M, will either accept or admit to any lack of managerial skill or training which directly led up to said boneheaded decision. February is here, only a little more than a month to go, and then (hopefully) the rebuilding can begin! It will be a long process, especially if Emanuel wins the election and decides to keep 3M around in some sort of executive capacity within the CPD. Hopefully some of the police I've seen with him on various news clips are advising him of the foolishness of this.
Wow, look at those criminals roaming the streets in packs. Someone should do something about it before they prey on innocent people.
Oh, that's right. It's my job. I better check with someone to make sure I can do it. Because I have no balls or any ability to think on my own.
People tell me who to vote for too. I support the democratic machine.
In 020 an officer locked up a jaggoff who initiated a hold up alarm when he called for a simple disturbance with a customer and although weather conditions and to his opinion cpd didn't respond fast enough. The store owner/manager got arrested for that, the officer doing his JOB you know what he got!? He got LT Birdie question his arrest and being a jerk for arresting someone who obviously misused the hold up alarm system. A tact Lt by the way, who lost balls on that one and what about backing up his patrol officers who made a good call. This JOB is full of bosses like him and maybe they need to be retrained and then no one would be fearful of backlash for making an arrest. Since then the officer got a BS CR from jaggoff owner that misused the hold up alarm. And a parade of officers who also feel sorry for store owner, what about loyalty!? For each other and the meaning of the JOB.
The copper that asked that question over the air is not very bright or very experienced.
Hey I agree with that PO... Why should we be arresting groups of black teenagers for walking around Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown? They have as much right to walk around as rich white folks do.
As someone mentioned in a previous comment about this stupid post, you could at least stop these individuals and make a contact card.
There's obviously a crime pattern in that vicinity with a physical description provided.
Start thinking like a preliminary investigator. Document, document, document.
Today's contact card could be what helps solve a crime tomorrow.
This has happened more than once. Whoever the Sgt. is will assign a tack car and a couple of beat cars to follow them around to "let them know we're here." Stop them and at least contact card them and they will definitely know we're here. I'm sure they will jay walk at some point, probable cause. It just seems to be a waist of beat cars just to follow thugs around while the annoy the shit out of everyone around them. I don't know if it was the same incident but one of the Sgt's came over the air and said that she told one of the businesses that the thugs were heading their way and then she left. I can only imagine what the manager was thinking when a Sgt. of the CPD warned them of impending danger and then got back in her car and left the area.
So true! I heard it on the air.
WHATEVER. You haul in 12 youths in front of these never wore a blue shirt captains!! Mob action indeed. The pimp WC will RWOC so fast you wont even notice your house being handed over to Lovey and Lovey.
Hey Sarge u ever try leading from the front or are you too busy watching tv in the sergeant's room?? "Ask for permission"?! Mob action?? Why do the street cop have to think of everything first? By now the white shirts should have given the green light. Rome is burning. The F are you waiting for?
Ahhhh poor secret study group bosses are forced to do their job. Boo hoo. What? Daddy didn't tell you the answer to this question?
Having worked in both "fast" and "slow" districts, I can understand both sides. Supervisors seem to back their officer's decisions more consistently in a faster district. This results in officers being more confident and assertive. In slower districts supervisors have more time to dissect the few arrests that are made. By the time an arresting officer in a slow district finally takes a prisoner to lockup, his arrest report may have been tweaked numerous times by different supervisors fearful of liability. Just as frequently, a supervisor fearful of possible future litigation will order an officer to RWOC the arrestee. This only succeeds in making everyone look bad. I believe that officers in slow districts that are constantly being micromanaged will ask permission to take different police actions. The constant micromanaging causes the officer to lose his confidence and assertiveness. While there are good and bad supervisors and officers in both "fast" and "slow" districts, it's my opinion officers are much more efficient, confident, and assertive in "fast" districts. If you disagree, slow district officers, bid to a fast district. You will quickly learn the difference. Now let's hear the comments about how Uptown is just like the south and west sides!!!!
Sorry to most of you gung ho/Rambo cops. The 1st person we need to watch out for is ourselves. Who is at most risk of losing their job, getting cuffed and being charged? Those cops who are proactive and locking people up. Who is at least risk of losing their job and being indicted? The P.O. who does nothing proactive, comes in with a curfew or two, and a couple of parkers and movers. I used to be proactive but after my recent experience in which I was sued and even almost lost my job, no fucking thank you. I have to worry about myself and my family first.
This is an absolute joke! Although I'm sure that the radio comments were enough to shame the officers back into whatever hole they crawled out of. I would have to guess that unless Kenny Angarone has been moved, he would have shit himself to hear this nonsense on HIS zone! He is and was always the police. To the dipshits that has the stupidity to ask this nonsense over the radio...would you want these assholes to attack your wife and kids if they were downtown or do you have the balls to just BE THE POLICE?!?!?!?!?! Unfortunately, this is what the academy is churning out since j-fled took over. For the record, I have well over 15 years and know the laws that could be applied here. Do you new people know that you could arrest someone for spitting, swearing, or littering on the public way? Is it pimpy??? Fuck yeah. Does it let these assholes know that they need to go elsewhere to act like the jagoffs that they were trained to be? Fuckin-A-right it does. I've done my time in the ghetto and still remember the little shit that can bite the jagoffs in the ass. Either be the police or go be an accountant somewhere, but at least give a fuck about the good people here...because it could be your family being taken advantage of by these thug pricks one day!
Great point made SCC!!
"We understand not wanting to stick your neck out for this administration, but that doesn't mean putting your head in the sand."
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Yes, it does actually. Until the day comes when those of us who've worked 20+ no longer have to worry about throwing our families out on the street because the fuckstick's that run this department and city feed us to the shitheads for votes, not doing a god damn thing until a BOSS takes responsibility for the actions is EXACTLY what is needed for self preservation.
Notice how this kid never said THEY were in any danger? Let the city burn until they get the message or die in the flames.
Protect ONLY your own asses and the asses of those you work with. Only then should you exercise the full extent of your authority in the safeguarding of yourself and those of your fellow officers.
FUCK this city and those fuckers screaming why you don't do something.... let the bosses sit in federal court and sweat THEIR family's livelihood for their decisions.
see how fucked up we are ?
Hey, leave the officer alone, he works in 018. What do they know about the mean streets, since Cabrini stopped being Cabrini years ago.
The problem with these kid's today is, that they are programed from day one now. To ask the Sgt. for everything, they have no discretion . They are afraid to make a move, because of fear of retaliation from their supervisors who also have been programed to back off. I remember a good boss on midnights on the westside, who came upon a group of shitheads and along with his guys locked them up. The following day, the commander launched this guy from the district because the bosses were afraid the westside reverends were going to cause problems for them. It is a sad state of affairs, during my time, you locked up everyone and their mother if they so much looked at you wrong!!
Thats the problem with the new era of Policeman. Cant do shit without calling a supervisor. Ability to make decisions for themselves is gone.
Dropped into a nice gig in 001 or 018 right out of training...what do you expect, Police work?
not to mention trying to find a sgt with a set of nuts in CCG is near impossible. I draw a blank
Very well put........
I spent 10 years as a PO in Cabrini and 17 years as a Sgt in Patrol including a year as a tact Sgt. on the West side. Nothing irritated me more than a copper who asked for my help, and after I advised them, they would go looking for another Sgt trying to get them to advise them differently so that they could do it the way THEY wanted to begin with. Some would even ask a third Sgt if they didn't like the advice of the first two.
What REALLY started to scare me though, is when other SGTS started to do the same thing, ask me then go ask a second or third Sgt.
But when I finally had a Lt. doing this with me,(pssst! What would YOU do with this?), I knew it was time to retire. It's one thing to have a Lt go to a Sgt and think through a scenario, but its totally different when one is MERITORIOUSLY promoted, yet asks their Sgt what to do almost every time they were had to make a command decision.
THAT is the problem with unwarranted MERITORIOUS promotions!
Just like the "people on this job" who when they get on the scene of their job immediately get on the air and say " Squad , lemme get a Supervisor over hear!".
Well actually they do need a Sgt's approval to lock them up. Who the fuck do you think signs off on that arrest in the station? After the Sgt. they need the watch commander to approve it next. When he gets into the station with these fucking assholes for making the decision to lock them up for mob action all he's going to get is grief and shit by the lazy bosses in the station that have nothing better to do between lunches than fuck with working po's. So I'd say he was just looking for some kind of backing from some kind of supervisor on the street to perform a rather grey area arrest "Mob Action" in order to cut off crime before it occurred and as usual he didn't get it. The days of locking up motherfuckers on D/C charges for flashing you a dirty look are long over. This officer knows there's a mob action law on the books and would have liked to use it but it's also in the back of his mind that he's probably going to get shit from the no-ball bosses, citizens, media, judges, etc. for violating the civil rights of these fucking shitbags that are running around in mobs stealing shit and robbing people on a daily basis. He knows that he'll become the criminal and possibly lose his job, pension, house, and go to fucking jail. If the citizens want the police to ACT like the POLICE then they shouldn't have tied our hands behind our backs. These people saying this officer should BE THE POLICE are the same fucks that have been crucifying the police in the media for years. They're the same people that want the officer fired even when he does everything right because it doesn't look pretty on video. We all know what the fuck is up on this job today so cut the kid a break. Alot of officers, especially the younger ones, are afraid to make decisions and take action and the citizens, media, politicians, judges, states attorneys, and CPD bosses have nobody to blame for that but themselves.
This is one of the symptoms of this J-FLED experiment. I see coppers everywhere with their hands in their pockets afraid, or unmotivated to do their jobs.
'I can't get in trouble if I don't do a thing and they still pay me'.
I blame the bottom feeding lawyers as much as the politics. It may start to get better when the Department is rid of J-FLED, but we'll still have the lawyers.
I remember once chasing a guy into his house, struggling with hi, calling a 10-1 and order was restored and offender arrested. During the struggle an oxygen tank was knocked down and a CR# was obtained.
Everyone left 10-Froms. My Sgt at the time wrote his paper and said that he did not see a tank knocked down BECAUSE HE NEVER WENT INTO THE HOUSE!
Good lookin' out Sarge....got my back huh?
HEADLINE YOU WON'T BE SEEING IN CHICAGO PAPERS. MURDERS UP OVER 20% IN 2011
Yes it's true let's se how Jfled spins/ ignores this little nugget of cheer. I'm guessing he won't be sending out the usual press release or do any media appearances to take credit for this.
Since then the officer got a BS CR from jaggoff owner that misused the hold up alarm. And a parade of officers who also feel sorry for store owner, what about loyalty!? For each other and the meaning of the JOB.
1/31/2011 12:19:00 AM
So all your fellow POs and the WC disagree with your actions and you still think you're right? To top it off you are pissed they didn't 'back your play'.
Keeping you employed is part of the Watch Commanders job Bozo. That's what they get payed for. Grow up and learn your job.
the only time im callin a boss is for time due,shooting my weapon or if i tear a fender off a squad car.
Early on I learned very quickly not to call for a supervisor or ask one what to do.
The first time I did, the old Sgt., who probably got hired in the 1950's, came over and listened and then snarled, "don't call me, you're a police officer, you decide," and off he went.
I got the lesson, don't lujack anything onto the sergeants, make my decision, take action, pretend I was the police and handle the damn job.
We have sergeants today who are taking control of a scene from two miles away. When they pull that shit I make them come in person and handle it themselves. After a few times they leave me alone.
Just ask yourself, what would the Des Plaines PD Chief do? Then act accordingly.
If you do what you think Jody might do you will be spending a lot of time running away.
If you know how to do your job then just do it and stop asking permission.
Hey I agree with that PO... Why should we be arresting groups of black teenagers for walking around Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown? They have as much right to walk around as rich white folks do.
1/31/2011 12:29:00 AM
The problem, idiot, is that the rich white folks aren't acting the fool and stealing shit from stores. They don't piss on the streets, talk shit to passers by, talk too loudly while using profanity, or grope people.
In other words, they know how to behave in a civilized manner, unlike the ghetto trash you are trying to defend.
Now go get your fucking shine box.
I am now retired after 30 years on the job and still remember bosses telling me to take it lightly. Don't provoke "them". Hands off. Just "watch 'em", etc......not for lack of balls but to protect their "spots" and to be politically correct and guard against igniting the barage of calls to the WC or the DC.
Again, it's all political bullshit.
This is the fucking problem with sending groups and groups of people off their fucking probation to good districts! First of all numbnuts you will not go to jail for doing your job correctly, get that through your fucking skull. You're not going to lose your house for doing your job properly. A Sgt or above telling you to do something doesn't make it right or legal, 1/2 to 3/4 of the bosses that are down in nice areas don't know their ass from a hole in the ground because they never were a working police officer before. If you're going to do something, do it right, don't half ass your arrest and you won't have a problem. But on a side note, don't do any of those yuppies a favor, they love the poor, weak, ghetto dwellers so let them enjoy them.
Anonymous said...
Sorry to most of you gung ho/Rambo cops. The 1st person we need to watch out for is ourselves. Who is at most risk of losing their job, getting cuffed and being charged? Those cops who are proactive and locking people up. Who is at least risk of losing their job and being indicted? The P.O. who does nothing proactive, comes in with a curfew or two, and a couple of parkers and movers. I used to be proactive but after my recent experience in which I was sued and even almost lost my job, no fucking thank you. I have to worry about myself and my family first.
1/31/2011 02:59:00 AM
you need to find a new job...................
How about reading this and other laws and make up your own mind. 40 plus years on the job and I never asked a supervisor permission to lock up some asshole. Take this decision away from Sgt.s Lts etc and life will be easier for you.
To the dipshits that has the stupidity to ask this nonsense over the radio...would you want these assholes to attack your wife and kids if they were downtown or do you have the balls to just BE THE POLICE?!?!?!?!?! Unfortunately, this is what the academy is churning out since j-fled took over. For the record, I have well over 15 years and know the laws that could be applied here. Do you new people know that you could arrest someone for spitting, swearing, or littering on the public way? Is it pimpy??? Fuck yeah. Does it let these assholes know that they need to go elsewhere to act like the jagoffs that they were trained to be? Fuckin-A-right it does. I've done my time in the ghetto and still remember the little shit that can bite the jagoffs in the ass. Either be the police or go be an accountant somewhere, but at least give a fuck about the good people here...because it could be your family being taken advantage of by these thug pricks one day!
1/31/2011 03:09:00 AM
Now you blame the academy for this situation? Maybe you should consider the lack of effective FTO's and officers that are willing to train new officers on the street? A new officer will quickly learn the ropes and lay low like eveyone else. Where is the incentive to be proactive? My family stays out of Chicago. It is better to put on the blinders and not "see" the group of honor students until there is a complaint? Sorry but thimes have changed.
In the old days, the Sgt was THE ONLY AND LAST line of supervision. The Capt. and Field Lt could NEVER be approached by a PO. and most of the time the Sgt would tell ya at roll call, DON'T CALL ME!
Then they started hiring and promoting by merit and it seemed NOBODY knew what to do anymore and when J-Fled showed up and demoted all the experienced bosses and they retired, and now its more like a clown circus!
Headline; Coyotes prowl, howl on North Side.
This is the closest the Newspapers will come to reporting the "Wildings".
this crap started with the coppers hired after the 1990 ' s
bunch of no b---s p----
afraid to make an arrest or write a ticket
we now have embroidered stars so the kids won't lose the star
mommy mommy the sarge won't let me lock any one up
all these kids did was bad mouth cline and daley , wait til the next mayor takes over , maybe he'll appoint a supt that makes you be the police
'I remember once chasing a guy into his house, struggling with hi, calling a 10-1 and order was restored and offender arrested. During the struggle an oxygen tank was knocked down and a CR# was obtained.
Everyone left 10-Froms. My Sgt at the time wrote his paper and said that he did not see a tank knocked down BECAUSE HE NEVER WENT INTO THE HOUSE!
Good lookin' out Sarge....got my back huh?'
Sorry, Officer, but if your Sgt. was never in the house, that's exactly what his to-from should have said. I don't have a problem with stating on an official report what I saw as a supervisor on the scene, but only a fool would put himself somewhere he wasn't on paper. If he wasn't inside, then he wasn't inside. YOu already had 10 to-from witness statements, what more did you need, especially if the Sgt. actually never was inside? End of story.
Documented lies on official reports is the fastest way to be be unemployed, or in prison. The days of such nonsense ended quite a few years ago. Fundraiser cash only lasts so long.
I thought they took mob action off the books---- you can't arrest them for disorderly without a signed complaint because a police officers peace can't be breached--- so you go with the bullshit reckless conduct and waste your time arresting them so the watch commander can give them an i bond before you go home--- the best is when they i bond them right when you are leaving the station at the end of your tour--- shitbird is sitting their putting his shoelaces and belt back on and of course the property bag gets pitched right onto the ground and he gets to watch you get right into your personal vehicle... then they all show up in court reeking like booze and marijuana and the judge tells them never to do that again.... wow, we sure taught them a lesson....
Unfortunately, this is what the academy is churning out since j-fled took over. For the record, I have well over 15 years and know the laws that could be applied here. Do you new people know that you could arrest someone for spitting, swearing, or littering on the public way? Is it pimpy??? Fuck yeah. Does it let these assholes know that they need to go elsewhere to act like the jagoffs that they were trained to be? Fuckin-A-right it does. I've done my time in the ghetto and still remember the little shit that can bite the jagoffs in the ass. Either be the police or go be an accountant somewhere, but at least give a fuck about the good people here...because it could be your family being taken advantage of by these thug pricks one day!
1/31/2011 03:09:00 AM
Good thing you are not in charge. Spitting on the sidewalk went out years ago. Maybe you should rethink the whole giving advice thing.
might i remind you of the exact # of white shirts that were indicted in the SOS scandal?
ZERO.
think about that for a second.
Do you new people know that you could arrest someone for spitting, swearing, or littering on the public way? Is it pimpy??? Fuck yeah.
I locked up someine for spitting....10 years ago. No WC alive would ok that today. Not one. Not only would that prick be sent loose, I'd would be in the dog house . For what?
JHC.........at least do contact cards on the lil Asses!
I retired in93 as a Sgt. & even then the people coming out of the academy were less then aggressive because that was the way they were taught even then.
The officer was right. If you don't allow the animals to attack the sheep first. The sheep will turn on you for being a sheep dog.
Had the opportunity to have worked in a unit years ago that would be sent into the loop on Easter and other holidays as well as the nightly closing of the taste,and I can honestly say the streets were well controlled and the bosses were right there with us. It was a great JOB with great bosses..
Why? This place puts a lot ( not all) two year wonders in these Cush districts instead of fast districts so they never learn and some of them don't want to learn.
Hold on there...018 is an extremely political place. And there are cameras ALL OVER michigan ave, and the bosses have made it clear that making waves is discouraged. I wouldn't stick my neck out for 'mob action' either...It would be like doing a drop case in front of NBC's window. Mob action is an ambiguous charge without a complainant. All it takes is one jagoff lawyer pulling tapes simply showing honors students skipping down michigan ave and JFledgar will, no doubt, see civil rights violations and send us to spend time with cozzi... This is, unfortuantely, the 'no arrest without a complainant' era. It SUCKS, but I'm not going to fault a po for not wanting to extend himself for a pack of ghetto rats. Should he have come up on the air? No. Hell no. His SGT made it clear that po's are not to make waves, so let it go. Fuck it. They don't want you to be the police, so don't even bother trying, and DON'T beg... just let rome burn.
...no more old school bosses that would just say..."LOCK THEIR ASSES UP"....how come this doesn't happen in the faster districts?.
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Because PUNK . .
in faster districts the police have more COMMON SENSE. They know what they are doing and they don't middle the sergeant over the fuckin' radio or PDT.
If you have a technical question call the sergeant on the cellphone.
If you don't know what the law is pertaining to Mob Action then go back to the police academy.
Everyone left 10-Froms. My Sgt at the time wrote his paper and said that he did not see a tank knocked down BECAUSE HE NEVER WENT INTO THE HOUSE!
Good lookin' out Sarge....got my back huh?
1/31/2011 08:08:00 AM
Listen: white shirts have CAREERS, blue shirts just have JOBS. There is a big difference.
**NO** white shirt will risk her CAREER to save your JOB.
Today's contact card could be what helps solve a crime tomorrow.
1/31/2011 12:30:00 AM
Today's contact card could be what gets you sued tomorrow...
"Hey I agree with that PO... Why should we be arresting groups of black teenagers for walking around Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown? They have as much right to walk around as rich white folks do."
Of course they do. No one is saying to arrest them for just walking down the sidewalk. That would be a violation of their civil rights.
However, that is not what this is about. This is about an Officer(s) on-viewing a crime (Mob Action) and having to ask permission if they could make the arrest because they didn't have the balls to make that decision themselves. In other words they put the decision to arrest soley on the supervisor.
They then came onto this to criticize their supervisor.
Big difference
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This has happened more than once. Whoever the Sgt. is will assign a tack car and a couple of beat cars to follow them around to "let them know we're here." Stop them and at least contact card them and they will definitely know we're here. I'm sure they will jay walk at some point, probable cause. It just seems to be a waist of beat cars just to follow thugs around while the annoy the shit out of everyone around them. I don't know if it was the same incident but one of the Sgt's came over the air and said that she told one of the businesses that the thugs were heading their way and then she left. I can only imagine what the manager was thinking when a Sgt. of the CPD warned them of impending danger and then got back in her car and left the area.
1/31/2011 12:37:00 AM
OK...MANY stores on michagan ave DO NOT SIGN COMPLAINTS. So what are you supposed to do??? Save people from themselves at our own expense?
I don't think I have ever "asked" a sergeant if I could lock someone up. They should have all been snatched up and charged with obstruction at a minimum.
Go ahead, try to arest them. Jessie and Al will come to town and have your badges.
Either YOU have probable cause to arrest someone or YOU do not. I YOU don't know if YOU do or do not have probable cause, then YOU DO NOT!!
Be a cop for chrisakes! Make a decision, be able to back it up, and move on. If not, then move on from this job.
People out there post these comments without knowing all the facts. Firstly, most of these stores WILL NOT sign complaints when these teens steal their shit. Citizen will not sign complaints and tourist will not return for court. Secondly, if YOU initiate a mass arrest of several black teens, no matter what they are doing, prepare for a civil rights suit. The city cannot cover you for punitive damages when a jury awards it. If you're ready for years of headaches and being made the bad guy, bringing discredit on the department, when in reality you are doing your job...go ahead.
Its a sad stste of affairs, but that is the reality. If the victims don't care and wont back you up, why stick your neck out? To be the hero???
CPD tends to put the weak bosses in slow districts to help preserve their carreers/reputations.
In these slow districts they micromanage the little things, freak out over regular stuff and withdraw/ hide/ seek help on big events.
The p.o.'s in these slow districts, brow beaten by the micromanageing/freaking out and frequent heavyhanded retribution, attempt to avoid conflict w/ these incompetent merit picks by asking them exactly what they want done.
It seems clear that the powers that be want it this way. It's their choice, not the guy on the beat.
Maybe not a very pleasant situation, but the way it is.
Either do or do not.
Never ask.
Having worked in both "fast" and "slow" districts, I can understand both sides. Supervisors seem to back their officer's decisions more consistently in a faster district. This results in officers being more confident and assertive. In slower districts supervisors have more time to dissect the few arrests that are made
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Crime is crime no matter where you are.
Coppers in busy districts are smarter and better at their job. They inherently need less supervision. Coppers in slow districts are generally more afraid and less sure of themselves, therefore they generally only act when ordered to. Most coppers who work in slow districts, always worked in slow districts, so those officers never learned how to do this job.
Wow, look at those criminals roaming the streets in packs. Someone should do something about it before they prey on innocent people.
Oh, that's right. It's my job. I better check with someone to make sure I can do it. Because I have no balls or any ability to think on my own.
1/31/2011 12:18:00 AM
i'll take care of it.
no worries, mate.
Chalkie
By now the white shirts should have given the green light. Rome is burning. The F are you waiting for?
1/31/2011 01:39:00 AM
my next promotion.
The copper that asked that question over the air is not very bright or very experienced.
1/31/2011 12:24:00 AM
correction for accuracy:
The copper that asked that question over the air is extremely intelligent and very experienced.
Today's contact card could be what helps solve a crime tomorrow.
1/31/2011 12:30:00 AM
i solve crime much more efficiently, effectively, and expeditiously.
not to mention enjoyably.
Chalkie
Either be the police or go be an accountant somewhere, but at least give a fuck about the good people here...because it could be your family being taken advantage of by these thug pricks one day!
1/31/2011 03:09:00 AM
not my family.
Chalkie
see how fucked up we are ?
1/31/2011 05:40:00 AM
yes, and i like it.
Chalkie
It is a sad state of affairs, during my time, you locked up everyone and their mother if they so much looked at you wrong!!
1/31/2011 06:53:00 AM
your time is past, it's my time, now.
Chalkie
Alot of officers, especially the younger ones, are afraid to make decisions and take action and the citizens, media, politicians, judges, states attorneys, and CPD bosses have nobody to blame for that but themselves.
1/31/2011 08:04:00 AM
have no fear, i am here.
Chalkie
AHH, THE COPPER DID THE RIGHT THING!!!!! CONSIDERING HE WORKS IN 018!!! OFFICERS FOR THE LONGEST WOULD NOT CUFF A PERSON UNLESS THEIR WAS A PERSON SIGNING A COMPLAINT AND EVEN WITH THAT THEY TRY TO CONVINCE THEM NOT TOO... A MASS ARREST CAN GET YOU IN THE HOT SEAT IN 018!!!! Calling for the Sgt is all you can do especially when you bring a dozen or more arrestees into the lock up! godforbid you interrupt my movie I'm watching in the lockup.......lmao
Ps...I would'nt trust a white shirt in 018 anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remembering the Cabrini Video were coppers lost their jobs and the supervisors got promoted!!!!!
Its cops like this that get other working cops hurt.
First I’ll address the comment by the poster at 12:09 am regarding the black youths having the same rights as rich white folks….
-----Hey I agree with that PO... Why should we be arresting groups of black teenagers for walking around Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown? They have as much right to walk around as rich white folks do.------
Nice attempt to cover your race card by putting the Daley’s paradise comment in, but the fact of the matter is that no rich white folks were wilding on the streets where my family may be exercising their right of freedom. Should my family have to stay home, close the shutters, bar the door and cower in fear with the trusty elephant gun nearby because some people continually acts like savages? No! Those who act like savages should be treated like savages no matter what race, religion, nationalistic origin or sexual preference they are. The savage mentality is degrading our society and it is the responsibility of the police to put the savages down. If it were a group of whites, yellows, browns, blacks or, reds they should have been dealt with. Screw the Mayor, the politicians, the Department administration or anyone else you or we may have utter disdain for, these actions cannot go unchecked anywhere our families, our friends and the good, upstanding, honest and supportive citizens of our communities may be. If you want to lay down, lay down, but there are times when you shouldn’t, times when you should do the right thing in spite of your contempt. That goes for all of us.
And, to the others who say to look away and ignore reality in the name of justice for the police…… The right thing to do would have been to coordinate with a couple of cars and intervene in the antics of the animals. Utilize your cars and personnel to herd and corral as many of them as physically possible and police them. The appropriate response would be to put them all on the wall, search them for their weed and other illegal contraband, name check every one of them for the purpose of finding a warrant and release them if necessary one or two at a time. Send them in alternate directions not releasing the next detainees until the others are well on their way. You can break up the roving pack of animals and thwart their antics without violating any laws, rights, or policies- and of course without working yourself too hard to earn your living. You have 8 hours to work, use it wisely. Yes, they may smell each other’s scent and reconvene, but the likelihood that you take one or two into custody for whatever violation you have found and cause the rest to be displaced is good, and it confuses their organizational ability. They could just mutter to the train broken and demised and go on to wreak havoc on their own community as they usually do. You have to at least use your head, step up and do the right thing on the rare occasion that some of our families and some other good people are at risk. If you can’t at least do that, then quit, your useless to us as a united front who are the only ones going to take care of each other.
Speaking as a po that has been off tyhe street for the past 3 years on absolute bs and witch hunt status , I can see why the officer wanted to get it on the air that they were given a direct order to act. I also understand the response from the sgt being a timid just watch no police action type order to avoid any problems given the atmosphere!
Many at call back have been of the most productive yet have been thru a lot in the past few years.
1st and 16th guys and gals...
No Offense but I wouldnt get jammed up over a pack a animals either. This city will jam you in a New York second.
I say let the streets go crazy until people scream for police action.
Anonymous said...
CPD tends to put the weak bosses in slow districts to help preserve their carreers/reputations.
In these slow districts they micromanage the little things, freak out over regular stuff and withdraw/ hide/ seek help on big events.
The p.o.'s in these slow districts, brow beaten by the micromanageing/freaking out and frequent heavyhanded retribution, attempt to avoid conflict w/ these incompetent merit picks by asking them exactly what they want done.
1/31/2011 11:57:00 AM
its true
Remembering the Cabrini Video were coppers lost their jobs and the supervisors got promoted!!!!!
1/31/2011 02:12:00 PM
and promoted
and promoted
and promoted
Today's contact card could be what helps solve a crime tomorrow.
1/31/2011 12:30:00 AM
Today's contact card could be what gets you sued tomorrow...
1/31/2011 11:21:00 Am
You can do a contact card on anyone. You can approach anyone, do a field interview and document it on contact card.
You don't need anyones permission to lock anyone. IF the WC has a problem with it then the Commander better put a foot in his ass because if 018 turns to shit KA will be fucking demoted back to 3rd watch.
Hey how bout this!!! You are the police act like it!!! You do not need the Sgt. to give you permission to make a lawful arrest or any other boss for that matter! Stand up and be a MAN you do not have to violate any persons rights! Remember there is a big book of laws charge them with one of them and get them off the street! If they keep getting locked up they will stsy in the hood where they belong! Stand up and be a man or leave the job!!! Class of 88!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
No Offense but I wouldnt get jammed up over a pack a animals either. This city will jam you in a New York second.
I say let the streets go crazy until people scream for police action.
1/31/2011 03:52:00 PM
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Frankly, when the people start screaming about the pack of animals, WE will be called the animals that are do nothing know nothing Police Officers. There goes what little respect we had, there goes what little raise we can get, there goes what little votes we can get to get in Officer's as Alderman. THERE GOES WHAT LITTLE FAITH THE CITIZENS HAVE IN US.
If the Mag Mile isn't safe and seeing Officer's standing there like sheep instead of taking action, then we have NO RIGHT to bitch about citizens bitching about us being dog asses.
The poster.1/31/2011 02:46:00 PM IS DEAD ON SPOT!!! Take a lesson from obviously seasoned Officer.
This is the fucking problem with sending groups and groups of people off their fucking probation to good districts! First of all numbnuts you will not go to jail for doing your job correctly, get that through your fucking skull. You're not going to lose your house for doing your job properly. A Sgt or above telling you to do something doesn't make it right or legal, 1/2 to 3/4 of the bosses that are down in nice areas don't know their ass from a hole in the ground because they never were a working police officer before. If you're going to do something, do it right, don't half ass your arrest and you won't have a problem. But on a side note, don't do any of those yuppies a favor, they love the poor, weak, ghetto dwellers so let them enjoy them.
1/31/2011 08:52:00 AM
You sir are fucking delusional. What department are you with because it doesn't sound like the CPD.
Listen: white shirts have CAREERS, blue shirts just have JOBS. There is a big difference.
**NO** white shirt will risk her CAREER to save your JOB.
1/31/2011 10:47:00 AM
Oh we fucking KNOW! Don't worry, we know that shit all too well. That's one of the big problems facing this department today. Every man and woman for themselves. Oh and by the way, you're an asshole too.
To the below poster...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
AHH, THE COPPER DID THE RIGHT THING!!!!! CONSIDERING HE WORKS IN 018!!! OFFICERS FOR THE LONGEST WOULD NOT CUFF A PERSON UNLESS THEIR WAS A PERSON SIGNING A COMPLAINT AND EVEN WITH THAT THEY TRY TO CONVINCE THEM NOT TOO... A MASS ARREST CAN GET YOU IN THE HOT SEAT IN 018!!!! Calling for the Sgt is all you can do especially when you bring a dozen or more arrestees into the lock up! godforbid you interrupt my movie I'm watching in the lockup.......lmao
Ps...I would'nt trust a white shirt in 018 anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remembering the Cabrini Video were coppers lost their jobs and the supervisors got promoted!!!!!
1/31/2011 02:12:00 PM
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!
You have won the SCC most use of the exclamation mark award!!!!!!
(Over 30 set a record!!!!) You now join the ranks of the run on sentence' and most misspelled words awardees!!!!!!!!
While you may have participated, you weren't even close in the capitalization and use of contractions contest.
Better luck next time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
I don't think I have ever "asked" a sergeant if I could lock someone up. They should have all been snatched up and charged with obstruction at a minimum.
1/31/2011 11:26:00 AM
The minimum is to ignore the group. 19P. Safer. Now, where are the parkers and bus checks.
Either do or do not.
Never ask.
1/31/2011 01:18:00 PM
you must be hell on wheels with the ladies.
To the dipshits that has the stupidity to ask this nonsense over the radio...would you want these assholes to attack your wife and kids if they were downtown or do you have the balls to just BE THE POLICE?!?!?!?!?! Unfortunately, this is what the academy is churning out since j-fled took over. For the record, I have well over 15 years and know the laws that could be applied here. Do you new people know that you could arrest someone for spitting, swearing, or littering on the public way? Is it pimpy??? Fuck yeah. Does it let these assholes know that they need to go elsewhere to act like the jagoffs that they were trained to be? Fuckin-A-right it does. I've done my time in the ghetto and still remember the little shit that can bite the jagoffs in the ass. Either be the police or go be an accountant somewhere, but at least give a fuck about the good people here...because it could be your family being taken advantage of by these thug pricks one day!
1/31/2011 03:09:00 AM
Really? well over 15 years on the job. Maybe you should go back to the academy you asshat. when was the last time you locked someone up for spiiting on the sidewalk or swearing on the public way????? That law has been off the books for about 8 years now.
Oh and i bet you want to lock him up for disorderly conduct too??? go ahead and sign the complaint asshat it has been ruled unconsitutional without a complainant.
Thats the problem nowadays u oldtimers talk such a big game but dont actually do it. when was the last time you locked someone up for b.s. Sorry us hairgel coppers know the law and how to apply it. you are still living in the stone age, i bet you are still doing paper arrests and using a municipal code book from 1980. Get a clue.
Thats why we are all getting jammed up because old timers like you think you know what you are doing but you really dont. you do it, call yourself the real police, make fun of young guys, and then hope you dont get sued cause you did it the wrong way.
go ahead and try to put a decent case on these wilding kids, especially without a complainant!!!!!! I think the officer is covering his a## by getting his sergeants permission for arresting a group for mob action, the order requires supervisor permission/approval/notification for mass arrest.
I think the officer did what he was required of him. Just like when I respond to a disturbance and I do not specifically see any crime or find any dope...19p...unless there is willing complainant. In the current climate and culture you just cant go around locking people up for these disturbance violations without a complainant.
To the 15 year vet get a clue and get back on the street, cause obviously you are now inside with your little knowledge of the law.
-hairgel copper
If the "mob" is violating a municipal code or IL statute....lock up!! why is everyone so mamby pamby.....write up what what you see, throw
em in lock-up....let the judge decide.
Whre's the crystal ball unit on this isssue?????????????
HOW COME THERE ISN'T A BOSS OUT THERE SUPERVISING THIS AND DEMANDING THE LITTLE MOnsTERS BE LOCKED UP????? How many more victims....pedestrians, retail stores, do we need???? Are we a bunch of pansies??? The Cmdr and watch cmdr should be cracking down on this....shame on them.
If I was a civiilian victim who got shagged by these ghetto thugs and found out the police were "watching them" and did nothing pro-active, I would sue the dept and every supervisor on the watch.
So all your fellow POs and the WC disagree with your actions and you still think you're right? To top it off you are pissed they didn't 'back your play'.
So much like people like you clown. This is exactly what's wrong with this department. Even when you don't agree with someone's arrest you don't question the arresting officer. LOYALTY....I'm sure in your career there have been arrests that others didn't agree.
The WC is a goof, unless you have worked for him you wouldn't know. He is a strange guy. Don't ask him to do anything since when you do, he acts like a BITCH on PMS on your case. The WC is quiet but don't ask him to work by asking him in a slow district to stop napping or looking at his porn and look at an arrest, he is a true asshole. So, fuck him. typical white shirt. Especially after the asshole store owner wanted to throw under the bus the first officer with the CR that arrived on scene. The second officer is the one that said enough to the stupid atttitude of the owner and ended with the CR. Do we see that often? Nope, not once we see each other taking a punch for each other anymore. This officer did. Good job office!
To my brothers who are still the POLICE...Thank You for your service! To those that feel you need to involve a supervisor for a proprietary arrest>>>WTF! If you are justified...you are JUSTIFIED!!! How clear does this need to be. GOD gave you a heart...the CITY gave you a star...between the two I hope you find your BALLS.
May God defend the right!
In 020 an officer locked up a jaggoff who initiated a hold up alarm when he called for a simple disturbance with a customer and although weather conditions and to his opinion cpd didn't respond fast enough. The store owner/manager got arrested...
YES. It was however a supervisor on scene who ordered the arrest. Facts are not within my purview to divulge...suffice it to say...END THIS STREAM.
Anonymous said...
I don't think I have ever "asked" a sergeant if I could lock someone up. They should have all been snatched up and charged with obstruction at a minimum.
1/31/2011 11:26:00 AM
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Obstructing what? Walking down the street?
This stuff isn't rocket science. Know the elements of various offenses, both ordinance and state. If you see a crime, make an arrest. If you don't, don't.
First I’ll address the comment by the poster at 12:09 am regarding the black youths having the same rights as rich white folks….
-----Hey I agree with that PO... Why should we be arresting groups of black teenagers for walking around Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown? They have as much right to walk around as rich white folks do.------
Nice attempt to cover your race card by putting the Daley’s paradise comment in, but the fact of the matter is that no rich white folks were wilding on the streets where my family may be exercising their right of freedom. Should my family have to stay home, close the shutters, bar the door and cower in fear with the trusty elephant gun nearby because some people continually acts like savages? No! Those who act like savages should be treated like savages no matter what race, religion, nationalistic origin or sexual preference they are. The savage mentality is degrading our society and it is the responsibility of the police to put the savages down. If it were a group of whites, yellows, browns, blacks or, reds they should have been dealt with. Screw the Mayor, the politicians, the Department administration or anyone else you or we may have utter disdain for, these actions cannot go unchecked anywhere our families, our friends and the good, upstanding, honest and supportive citizens of our communities may be. If you want to lay down, lay down, but there are times when you shouldn’t, times when you should do the right thing in spite of your contempt. That goes for all of us.
And, to the others who say to look away and ignore reality in the name of justice for the police…… The right thing to do would have been to coordinate with a couple of cars and intervene in the antics of the animals. Utilize your cars and personnel to herd and corral as many of them as physically possible and police them. The appropriate response would be to put them all on the wall, search them for their weed and other illegal contraband, name check every one of them for the purpose of finding a warrant and release them if necessary one or two at a time. Send them in alternate directions not releasing the next detainees until the others are well on their way. You can break up the roving pack of animals and thwart their antics without violating any laws, rights, or policies- and of course without working yourself too hard to earn your living. You have 8 hours to work, use it wisely. Yes, they may smell each other’s scent and reconvene, but the likelihood that you take one or two into custody for whatever violation you have found and cause the rest to be displaced is good, and it confuses their organizational ability. They could just mutter to the train broken and demised and go on to wreak havoc on their own community as they usually do. You have to at least use your head, step up and do the right thing on the rare occasion that some of our families and some other good people are at risk. If you can’t at least do that, then quit, your useless to us as a united front who are the only ones going to take care of each other.
1/31/2011 02:46:00 PM
Great response, your approach protects the community and the civil rights of the animals involved. Most importantly in today's climate it protects officers from civil liability.
If you are not a supervisor, I would hope you become one soon. We need supervisors that protect working officers while also keeping law abiding citizens safe.
I got the lesson, don't lujack anything onto the sergeants, make my decision, take action, pretend I was the police and handle the damn job.
Now THATS a word you dont hear anymore: "Lujack"!
Thanks for the memories!
The only time you need a Sgt is to sign a TD slip. Figure the job out yourself because half the Sgt's now know less than you do.If you have to ask then don't do it.
What was the initial crime that the "Mob" was involved in? Merely being in a "Mob" is not enough. They have to be doing something illegal...
If none of you dumb asses knows the answer for sure, why dont you demand to meet with your bosses and ask them to document EXACTLY how they want you to handle these type situations?
JODY WEISS is still in charge and NO, he does NOT have your back! so be careful!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
CPD tends to put the weak bosses in slow districts to help preserve their carreers/reputations.
In these slow districts they micromanage the little things, freak out over regular stuff and withdraw/ hide/ seek help on big events.
The p.o.'s in these slow districts, brow beaten by the micromanageing/freaking out and frequent heavyhanded retribution, attempt to avoid conflict w/ these incompetent merit picks by asking them exactly what they want done.
1/31/2011 11:57:00 AM
OMG, you just described to a tee the W/C on 3rd in 023!!
Anonymous said...
Today's contact card could be what helps solve a crime tomorrow.
1/31/2011 12:30:00 AM
Today's contact card could be what gets you sued tomorrow...
1/31/2011 11:21:00 Am
You can do a contact card on anyone. You can approach anyone, do a field interview and document it on contact card.
1/31/2011 04:26:00 PM
Oh yeah? Obviously you never read the order on contact cards. You will. In court when you get sued, the plaintiff's attorney will likely hand it to you.
"You can do a contact card on anyone. You can approach anyone, do a field interview and document it on contact card. 1/31/2011 04:26:00 PM"
No you can't. You need to articulate reasonable suspicion unless they initiate the contact.
The only time you need a Sgt is to sign a TD slip. Figure the job out yourself because half the Sgt's now know less than you do.If you have to ask then don't do it.
1/31/2011 10:15:00 PM
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Sgts have not been able to sign time due slips for almost 10 years...where have you been, hero?
Back in the day, an old timer once told me facetiously that Lt. was the best rank on the CPD. If a P.O. had a situation and it wasn't important enough, the Lt. would say, "See your Sgt." If the situation was serious enough,the Lt. would say, "See the Capt."
Hey I agree with that PO... Why should we be arresting groups of black teenagers for walking around Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown? They have as much right to walk around as rich white folks do.
1/31/2011 12:29:00 AM
The problem, idiot, is that the rich white folks aren't acting the fool and stealing shit from stores. They don't piss on the streets, talk shit to passers by, talk too loudly while using profanity, or grope people.
In other words, they know how to behave in a civilized manner, unlike the ghetto trash you are trying to defend.
Now go get your fucking shine box.
1/31/2011 08:47:00 AM
I think his point is that we should give the big fuck you to Skanks, J-fled and all the libs down there who want us to put ourselves out but do nothing to support us and everything to fuck us. Let the savages have free reign. At least until we get an administration. a populace and a media who are on our side which is not going to happen anytime soon with Mayor Emanuel knocking on the door and coming after our pensions.
Oh and i bet you want to lock him up for disorderly conduct too??? go ahead and sign the complaint asshat it has been ruled unconsitutional without a complainant.
read the laws dumbfuck...d.c. can be signed by the police again and has been back in in effect for a few years again. As for the other pimpy stuff that was written, just because it isn't in your 2008 academy version law book, doesn't mean that it's not still on the books. To the person questioning the obstructing traffic, as soon as these assholes cross against the light or not in the prescribed crosswalk and this impedes the freeflow movement of vehicular traffic. Guess what ??? Obstruction of traffic!!! Learn the laws and put them to good use. Oh yeah douche' bag sorry for the poor language, littering is actually called "casting refuse" in the books. Maybe that's why you couldn't find it. I know for a fact that these are all still laws on the m.c.c. and can be used if these actions occur. Maybe when you get a stripe on your sleeve, you will realize that the ghetto will always be the ghetto, whether you show up to play superman or not. At this stage of the game, quality of life issues are more important to me than a one bag arrest. I don't need to sit here and tell you how many arrests i have made in my career to make myself feel good, I know what I have done and am proud of it. I was never big into the dope game but did it on occasion for court time. If you wanna match burglary and u.u.w.(firearm) arrests, I'm sure that I'd win that one. Dope, if you are in the ghetto, you should be able to win that one. Now go read the books one more time and you will know that I'm right on these obscure laws.
Many comments on this post are so embarrassing. One can easily distinguish between the comments made by young entitlement police of today and the old timers.
One comment blamed today's old timers for not teaching them better. That juvenile thinking is one of the many problems with today's department.
Recruits of yore (my generation) had old timers who were tough and gruff, boasted of hating women on the job, smoked in the car, always drove the car, drank heavily, and never said a word to you the entire shift. The only thing a recruit got to do was wear the one radio.
The message was obvious, and no old timer (or boss) had to tell you what that was. Keep your mouth shut and your eyes and ears open, pay attention and maybe you'll learn something. And we did.
By the way, a recruit was considered a recruit forever until the old timers were gone. That was out of respect.
The only time you need a Sgt is to sign a TD slip
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Huh??
What decade you living in pal?
"Hey I agree with that PO... Why should we be arresting groups of black teenagers for walking around Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown? They have as much right to walk around as rich white folks do."
In Response:
Fuck you, you ignorant, race-baiting, simple-simon motherfucker.
Why is it that every WHITE person walking around "Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown" has to be labeled as being "rich?" They are not. I am not.
Do you simply assume that because they are in that specific area those "white folks" must be wealthy, or is it, in your estimation, that all white people are wealthy? Either way, you're an ignorant racist with a weak-ass argument and shit for brains. Leave the 1950's behind like so many have already done.
As for the "roving bands:" lock-em up. I calculate that following three or four trips to the station would begin having a deterring effect.
Yours,
16070
When we become a Police Department, and when we are treated like Police Officers, Then, and only maybe then I will act like a Police Officer.
Since when do you need a supervisors permission to lock people up? Call for another car or 2 & call for the wagon. Get it done!
He got LT Birdie question his arrest and being a jerk for arresting someone who obviously misused the hold up alarm system.
--So~~~ where's the tough hide we all have. A legit arrest was made, let them bitch, let them moan. If they RWOC it's on them!
Anonymous said...
If the "mob" is violating a municipal code or IL statute....lock up!! why is everyone so mamby pamby.....write up what what you see, throw
em in lock-up....let the judge decide.
1/31/2011 07:33:00 PM
My namby-pamby level went higher after my first and I hope only trip into Federal Court at the hands of one of the City's blood sucking police litigators and one of their miscreant clients.
But you are of course free to continue to lock 'em up and let the chips fall where they may. I will watch.
Well actually they do need a Sgt's approval to lock them up. Who the fuck do you think signs off on that arrest in the station?
--Go back to the academy stooge. You DO NOT need approval to make an arrest. The Sgt has to sign it if it's legit. The Lt. can RWOC if they don't like it. But YOU make the arrest, no permission needed!
Try charging them with the good 'ol 007th district standby, reckless conduct. It's quite easy to justify.
Here's a way my partners and I used to handle situations like this in 007, advise them that the dope boys from where they're from aren't going to be happy when we start fucking with them constantly because those little jagoffs are pissing us off, if that doesn't work you start fucking with the dope boys like you promised. We called that the indirect bitch slap. Until then, let them juke in the streets and act like a bunch of jagoffs because eventually someone with a tighter "judicial" system is gonna get tired of being fucked with.
Anonymous said...
You don't need anyones permission to lock anyone. IF the WC has a problem with it then the Commander better put a foot in his ass because if 018 turns to shit KA will be fucking demoted back to 3rd watch.
1/31/2011 04:31:00 PM
Wow. what planet do you live on?? there is NO DC that will side with a PO over a captain.
"One comment blamed today's old timers for not teaching them better."
YOU CAN'T TEACH A ROCK. FILLMORE PATROL SPECIALIST A REAL FTO
It doesn't matter if an arrest is ordered or not. The problem is that the patrol officers are not getting the backing of their command. When an officer makes an arrest they are getting hassled and everyone has so much to say, but NO SUPPORT for the arresting officers. We gotta look deep down and see it for what it is. If the bosses would have a clue about leadership they wouldn't go off at their officers who bring in an arrest. More often you hear the WC going off at their patrol officers who are bringing in activity. The WCs don't go off at the lazy ones, but sure mess with the working ones, funny factor, but true. Officers bringing arrests especially into slower districts have to go through hell to get the arrests approved. It is not fear to do the job, but the BS behind the scenes that make people ask. The leadership needs to do their job which is guide, mentor, LEAD for a change and then you won't have officers asking over the air. And so they asked? People are collecting a paycheck, let them ask and let the ones asked do their job. Simple. If in doubt ask. Only the asking officer knows the environment they are in. It is not worth it right now. Between the city, our bosses, j-fled and entourage it is not worth the hassle.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The only time you need a Sgt is to sign a TD slip
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Huh??
What decade you living in pal?
2/01/2011 04:45:00 AM
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Read the new order about it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The only time you need a Sgt is to sign a TD slip. Figure the job out yourself because half the Sgt's now know less than you do.If you have to ask then don't do it.
1/31/2011 10:15:00 PM
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Sgts have not been able to sign time due slips for almost 10 years...where have you been, hero?
2/01/2011 01:35:00 AM
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Until the new order came out.
Oh yeah? Obviously you never read the order on contact cards. You will. In court when you get sued, the plaintiff's attorney will likely hand it to you.
2/01/2011 01:26:00 AM
You haven't read shit retard. You can talk to anyone and document it. You don't need reasonable suspicion ,which you certainly had here, to talk to people you fucking idiot. Are you under the impression you cannot speak to people unless you are going to arrest them?
Anonymous said...
You don't need anyones permission to lock anyone. IF the WC has a problem with it then the Commander better put a foot in his ass because if 018 turns to shit KA will be fucking demoted back to 3rd watch.
1/31/2011 04:31:00 PM
Wow. what planet do you live on?? there is NO DC that will side with a PO over a captain.
2/01/2011 07:19:00 AM
Im talking about the Cmdr. siding with is career. If the cities crown jewel turns into a 365 day version of the Taste then he's got problems. If you can't see that then you live with you head up your ass.
As for the "roving bands:" lock-em up. I calculate that following three or four trips to the station would begin having a deterring effect.
Yours,
16070
2/01/2011 05:27:00 AM
obviously, you've never lived in a roach infested apartment building.
To the poster at 1/31/2011 02:46:00 PM
----Great response, your approach protects the community and the civil rights of the animals involved. Most importantly in today's climate it protects officers from civil liability.
If you are not a supervisor, I would hope you become one soon. We need supervisors that protect working officers while also keeping law abiding citizens safe.----
Thank you. I am a supervisor, but more importantly I am a cop and it just makes sense. I'm a Lt in another District, so I don't know the rules of engagement in the District where this is a problem. The response should be universal, but I know that it is not. It is my ultimate goal to protect those I work with, both from harm and from civil litigation. I wish all supervisors had the same philosophy, but again I know not all do. I apologize for that, but guys and girls please rest assured, there are some of us "white shirts" that have your back- and hope you have ours. We're all in this together, let’s just do it right and to the best of our ability. We need to protect each other, our families and the good people of our communities and whatever else we can get done in the meantime is a bonus. Thanks again for the compliment.
Well actually they do need a Sgt's approval to lock them up. Who the fuck do you think signs off on that arrest in the station? After the Sgt. they need the watch commander to approve it next. When he gets into the station with these fucking assholes for making the decision to lock them up for mob action all he's going to get is grief and shit by the lazy bosses in the station that have nothing better to do between lunches than fuck with working po's. So I'd say he was just looking for some kind of backing from some kind of supervisor on the street to perform a rather grey area arrest "Mob Action" in order to cut off crime before it occurred and as usual he didn't get it. The days of locking up motherfuckers on D/C charges for flashing you a dirty look are long over. This officer knows there's a mob action law on the books and would have liked to use it but it's also in the back of his mind that he's probably going to get shit from the no-ball bosses, citizens, media, judges, etc. for violating the civil rights of these fucking shitbags that are running around in mobs stealing shit and robbing people on a daily basis. He knows that he'll become the criminal and possibly lose his job, pension, house, and go to fucking jail. If the citizens want the police to ACT like the POLICE then they shouldn't have tied our hands behind our backs. These people saying this officer should BE THE POLICE are the same fucks that have been crucifying the police in the media for years. They're the same people that want the officer fired even when he does everything right because it doesn't look pretty on video. We all know what the fuck is up on this job today so cut the kid a break. Alot of officers, especially the younger ones, are afraid to make decisions and take action and the citizens, media, politicians, judges, states attorneys, and CPD bosses have nobody to blame for that but themselves.
I agree with this post and I couldnt of said it any better. I think the problem is everyone wants to make a opinion and second guess officers decisions. What I read in this post from other officers is the typical backstabbing and gossiping I hear in the district on a daily basis.
Officers dont want to do the job and get in trouble. They wont the Sgt. to give them permission for everything so they dont get the blame when it falls.
Become a detective and you don't have to worry about this stupid sh-t. If you have a brain use it
--Go back to the academy stooge. You DO NOT need approval to make an arrest. The Sgt has to sign it if it's legit. The Lt. can RWOC if they don't like it. But YOU make the arrest, no permission needed!
2/01/2011 06:50:00 AM
My point exactly... SO...if the sgt WON'T sign it because he doesn't think it's legit, and the WC does a RWOC, guess who is holding bag? Y O U. the sgt says no, the wc rwoc's for lack of probable cause, leaving you being 'the real polcie' allll on your own. Which is why it is best not to lock anyone up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Try charging them with the good 'ol 007th district standby, reckless conduct. It's quite easy to justify.
2/01/2011 06:50:00 AM
EVERYTHING is on camera on michigan ave. You had better have a REALLY good reason... Guys, working on the most high profile street in the midwest is different than working in the hood... it's a totally different set of rules.
Anonymous said...
Sorry to most of you gung ho/Rambo cops. The 1st person we need to watch out for is ourselves. Who is at most risk of losing their job, getting cuffed and being charged? Those cops who are proactive and locking people up. Who is at least risk of losing their job and being indicted? The P.O. who does nothing proactive, comes in with a curfew or two, and a couple of parkers and movers. I used to be proactive but after my recent experience in which I was sued and even almost lost my job, no fucking thank you. I have to worry about myself and my family first.
1/31/2011 02:59:00 AM
OK JS from 017 district 3rd watch we got it for the hundred time
You can do a contact card on anyone. You can approach anyone, do a field interview and document it on contact card.
1/31/2011 04:26:00 PM
Unless they tell you to go fuck yourself... then you can stand there looking like a jackass. Now if you have reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is about to be committed, or is being committed... well then you can force a stop. You're right in that I can just approach any citizen I want but again, if they tell you to fuck off and go suck yourself... you can't do shit but look like an asshole.
Either YOU have probable cause to arrest someone or YOU do not. I YOU don't know if YOU do or do not have probable cause, then YOU DO NOT!!
Be a cop for chrisakes! Make a decision, be able to back it up, and move on. If not, then move on from this job.
- AMEN - if you don't know than don't pretend. But you can still tell all of your buddies how you are the "real" police. Sad but true.
Well actually they do need a Sgt's approval to lock them up. Who the fuck do you think signs off on that arrest in the station?
--Go back to the academy stooge. You DO NOT need approval to make an arrest. The Sgt has to sign it if it's legit. The Lt. can RWOC if they don't like it. But YOU make the arrest, no permission needed!
2/01/2011 06:50:00 AM
You're a fucking idiot. You better get with the rest of us in the real world. The Sgt doesn't have to do shit, the W/C doesn't have to do shit, and you can't make either one of them do shit. So you can stand there with your bullshit arrest and your dick in your hand while they tell you they ain't approving the shit and for you to go RWOC the shit. Guess who's getting fucking sued after that...You can bet your ass it ain't going to be the Sgt and the W/C. But you're right... you got your little head for the day. You got your CB #. Stupid ass.
Anonymous said...
Well actually they do need a Sgt's approval to lock them up. Who the fuck do you think signs off on that arrest in the station?
--Go back to the academy stooge. You DO NOT need approval to make an arrest. The Sgt has to sign it if it's legit. The Lt. can RWOC if they don't like it. But YOU make the arrest, no permission needed!
2/01/2011 06:50:00 AM
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The Sreageant does not approve the arrest. They clerk it. The watch commander approves the arrest and the charges. If you cannot decide to make an arrest on your own, you don't deserve to be a police officer. Go back to the academy.
amateur hour!
What the hell do we have sgts for then, particularly desk sgts? Any officer can do approvals and returns, play games on the computer and do the internet. Get those desk dolly sgt. on the street to help all the idiots the dept. has hired and will continue to hire. We're in this together.
Become a detective and you don't have to worry about this stupid sh-t. If you have a brain use it
That's sort of difficult considering they haven't made a single detective class in three years and haven't given a test in six.
The Sreageant does not approve the arrest. They clerk it. The watch commander approves the arrest and the charges. If you cannot decide to make an arrest on your own, you don't deserve to be a police officer. Go back to the academy.
2/01/2011 02:12:00 PM
Is that right? You better figure out the difference between a fucking clerk and a Sergeant. Here, I'll do it for you:
clerk /klɜrk; Brit. klɑrk/ Spelled
[klurk; Brit. klahrk]
–noun
1. a person employed, as in an office, to keep records, file, type, or perform other general office tasks.
–verb (used without object)
7. to act or serve as a clerk.
The Sergeant isn't "CLERKING" anything... he's reviewing and approving your arrest to go to the W/C. The W/C is making the FINAL approval. If the Sergeant tells you to go back and change something because it's not showing PC in the narrative... you're fucking changing it or he's not APPROVING it.
You can play all the dumb word games you want but be prepared to get called on them. There's a BIG difference between clerking something and approving something.
Why does a po have to ask a Sgt., what should I do anyway? Isnt he the police?
"Hey I agree with that PO... Why should we be arresting groups of black teenagers for walking around Mayor Daley's Paradise Downtown? They have as much right to walk around as rich white folks do."
Restaurants/bars can refuse service, can stores?
Well actually they do need a Sgt's approval to lock them up. Who the fuck do you think signs off on that arrest in the station?
--Go back to the academy stooge. You DO NOT need approval to make an arrest. The Sgt has to sign it if it's legit. The Lt. can RWOC if they don't like it. But YOU make the arrest, no permission needed!
2/01/2011 06:50:00 AM
You're a fucking idiot. You better get with the rest of us in the real world. The Sgt doesn't have to do shit, the W/C doesn't have to do shit, and you can't make either one of them do shit. So you can stand there with your bullshit arrest and your dick in your hand while they tell you they ain't approving the shit and for you to go RWOC the shit. Guess who's getting fucking sued after that...You can bet your ass it ain't going to be the Sgt and the W/C. But you're right... you got your little head for the day. You got your CB #. Stupid ass.
You sound a lil bitter maybe someday you can pass a test and feel better
Just come to 023 3rdWatch. The WC, TL, takes all discretion from all his Lt.'s and Sgt.'s. He tells them what to do and how it should be done each and every day. Of course most of his Sgt.'s let it go in one ear and out the other but a couple of his Sgt's, Burger King and Whopper Jr. carry out Capt. TL's directions to the letter with cheerful willingness. Most of Capt. TL's Sgt's just shake their heads and laugh to themselves when they leave his office but the above 2 act like lap dogs, staring admiringly up to him like he is the all knowing smartest man on the job. Capt. TL wants teams players as long as the team your on is team "LEMMER".
WHATEVER. You haul in 12 youths in front of these never wore a blue shirt captains!! Mob action indeed. The pimp WC will RWOC so fast you wont even notice your house being handed over to Lovey and Lovey.
Who writes this stuff? Indeed. Lighten up, Francis.
Anonymous said...
Oh yeah? Obviously you never read the order on contact cards. You will. In court when you get sued, the plaintiff's attorney will likely hand it to you.
2/01/2011 01:26:00 AM
You haven't read shit retard. You can talk to anyone and document it. You don't need reasonable suspicion ,which you certainly had here, to talk to people you fucking idiot. Are you under the impression you cannot speak to people unless you are going to arrest them?
2/01/2011 10:27:00 AM
Fuck you moron. Go read the order first. Then read the comment the above was posted under. The guy wrote he could "stop anyone anytime and do a contact card." Read the order on contact cards before you write one more thing in error.
Reading and comprehension are two traits that obviously escape many here. That comes from too many video games and not enough books.
Many comments on this post are so embarrassing. One can easily distinguish between the comments made by young entitlement police of today and the old timers.
One comment blamed today's old timers for not teaching them better. That juvenile thinking is one of the many problems with today's department.
Recruits of yore (my generation) had old timers who were tough and gruff, boasted of hating women on the job, smoked in the car, always drove the car, drank heavily, and never said a word to you the entire shift. The only thing a recruit got to do was wear the one radio.
The message was obvious, and no old timer (or boss) had to tell you what that was. Keep your mouth shut and your eyes and ears open, pay attention and maybe you'll learn something. And we did.
By the way, a recruit was considered a recruit forever until the old timers were gone. That was out of respect.
Buried deep within these embarrassing posts, this post is one of the best I have ever read. I could have not worded it better. Well said, I'd push a Beat Car with you any time, anywhere.
You can do a contact card on anyone. You can approach anyone, do a field interview and document it on contact card.
1/31/2011 04:26:00 PM
Unless they tell you to go fuck yourself... then you can stand there looking like a jackass. Now if you have reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is about to be committed, or is being committed... well then you can force a stop. You're right in that I can just approach any citizen I want but again, if they tell you to fuck off and go suck yourself... you can't do shit but look like an asshole.
2/01/2011 01:39:00 PM
I know guy.
Maybe Im missing something, but was this "roving mob" just a group of black kids acting like normal people and not fucking off?
Because I was under the impression they were on some fucking bullshit. So if you cant find a legit reason to stop them then yourself then just quit the job. Also if you had probable cause to arrest people for "mob action" then you have plenty of fucking reasonable suspicion to stop and document the roving mob, and for that you do not anyones approval.
You sound a lil bitter maybe someday you can pass a test and feel better
2/01/2011 08:33:00 PM
Test? What test? The CPD still gives tests? Oh and maybe someday you can take a spelling and grammar class idiot.
The Sergeant isn't "CLERKING" anything... he's reviewing and approving your arrest to go to the W/C. The W/C is making the FINAL approval. If the Sergeant tells you to go back and change something because it's not showing PC in the narrative... you're fucking changing it or he's not APPROVING it.
You can play all the dumb word games you want but be prepared to get called on them. There's a BIG difference between clerking something and approving something.
2/01/2011 06:50:00 PM
Wrong bucko. The Sgt is a deputy clerk of the court and he is clerking the arrest report. A good desk Sgt will send an arrest report back so the WC doesn't have to bother but if you make an arrest you need to have Probable Cause whether you like it or not. If the desk sgt is a prick and doesn't know what PC is then get your Sgt in off the street to mediate the thing. Bottom line is know what PC is and its not going to be an issue.
Anonymous said...
Oh yeah? Obviously you never read the order on contact cards. You will. In court when you get sued, the plaintiff's attorney will likely hand it to you.
2/01/2011 01:26:00 AM
You haven't read shit retard. You can talk to anyone and document it. You don't need reasonable suspicion ,which you certainly had here, to talk to people you fucking idiot. Are you under the impression you cannot speak to people unless you are going to arrest them?
2/01/2011 10:27:00 AM
Fuck you moron. Go read the order first. Then read the comment the above was posted under. The guy wrote he could "stop anyone anytime and do a contact card." Read the order on contact cards before you write one more thing in error.
Reading and comprehension are two traits that obviously escape many here. That comes from too many video games and not enough books.
2/02/2011 12:01:00 AM
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Why don't you learn how to read you illiterate fuck. Here is what you wrote and here is what I wrote:
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You can do a contact card on anyone. You can approach anyone, do a field interview and document it on contact card.
1/31/2011 04:26:00 PM
Oh yeah? Obviously you never read the order on contact cards. You will. In court when you get sued, the plaintiff's attorney will likely hand it to you.
2/01/2011 01:26:00 AM
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You're a fucking idiot.
Quit trying to not look stupid, your e-dick is already small enough.
If you're afraid of doing your job, go find another one period. Stop making excuses (I don't want to be sued, I don't want a cr # etc.). you took this damn job, Do it Damnit.
What I read in this post from other officers is the typical backstabbing and gossiping I hear in the district on a daily basis.
2/01/2011 10:59:00 AM
Is that you Karla?
Bottom line is know what PC is and its not going to be an issue.
2/02/2011 01:45:00 AM
it is no longer 'Probable Cause'.
it is now 'Political Correctness'.
understand and remember the difference.
"Recruits of yore (my generation) had old timers who were tough and gruff, boasted of hating women on the job, smoked in the car, always drove the car, drank heavily, and never said a word to you the entire shift. The only thing a recruit got to do was wear the one radio."
...and sleep. Dem wear duh daze. Five wives, four heart attacks, and thirty years later...
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