So What's the Angle?
- Brutality charges have been filed against a Chicago police sergeant caught on video slapping a handcuffed man -- but an attorney says the officer was justified because the suspect tried to spit on him.
“If I tried to spit on you, wouldn’t you find that offensive?” asked Robert Kuzas, who is representing Sgt. Edward Howard Jr., 48, a 24-year veteran of the police department. Howard is charged with aggravated battery and official misconduct.
This is overkill of tremendous proportions. The case is over 6 months old and appears to be driven solely by the fact that the mother of the accused is an IPRA investigator. Amazing how the video is already leaked to the media (polluting the jury pool) and felony charges are approved for something that in any other circumstance not involving a police officer, would barely qualify as a simple battery.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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What about Vanecko? He can kill someone in a drunken bar brawl and nothing happens. A police officer defends himself from getting spit upon and there are felony charges?
This is a sad day for the Chicago Police Department. Another good police officer that is thrown under the commie- county bus. They hesitate to charge a murderer if they do not have all their ducks in order. They drool at the thought of destroying the life of an officer and his family. The pendulum of right needs to swing in the right direction. God help us, the evil doers control this city, county and state.
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
This is the top story on the sun times website. I guess the stories regarding the teacher and priest sexually abusing children aren't that big of a deal.
This cop is a sergeant on the CPD contributing to society fearing that some asshole was going to spit on him and they charge him with Aggravated Battery(class X felony). The gangbanger-convicted felon-drug dealer shoots somebody and is only charged with simple battery(class A misdemeanor) and is allowed to continue a life of violent crime. Fucking unbelievable.
Aggravated because he had a weapon ON him (Duty Weapon).
This is a move by CCSAO, and the public integrity unit. All pushed by the beady eyed bitch Alverez. She’s out to make a name for herself by “Cozzi-ing” as many officers as she can! Hell, for her, a Sgt is even better! Better than a Sgt is a Lt! You don’t believe me? Just look at the facts of this case. Oh… how fucking convenient “someone” (read Alverez) released a video which they have held onto for the past 6 months. NONE of the officers involved, their lawyers, the Sgt, or the Sgt’s lawyer witnessed the tape, until it was released by the ASA’s office, while this Sgt was being arrested.
The CCSAO is NOT your friend! They will hang you out to dry. They will approve bullshit AGG BATT charges on this SGT, but heaven forbid, when we lock up a real bad-guy, we try to get felony charges approved.
Charges denied per ASA XXX at XXXX hrs.
Eddie Howard is a great guy. I am sick and tired of the police in this society being demonized for taking the trash off the streets. Thugs are the victims and cops are the perps. The media loved showing Eddie and the video on the news. 2) Channel 7 and Channel 32 last night failed to mention Jesse Jacksons accuser also accused him of banging women in the hotel rooms and tried to get the gay assistant to do sex acts. The media only revealed the accusation that Jesse discriminated against the assistant because the asst. is gay.
I think spiiting is a dangerous weapon , and that kid needed to be slapped a few more times... These pieces of shit that come & infest the neighborhoods , and destroy peace need to know they aren't welcome whatso ever. GET THIS COP OFF NOW
United we stand! Divided we are what we are now! Nothing without each other.
Alvarez obviously did this to take the pressure off the fact that she refused to prosecute Vanecko for political reasons.
She needs to start campaigning and the easiest red herring to pick on would be a cop.
If that punk woulda suceeded in spitting in the Sgts. Face she never would of approved charges because of the lack of injuries.
Now officer slaps an offender BOOM agg batt charges.
FLOP needs to keep track of how many times her office refuses to approve charges of agg batt to PO.
Just to fuck with felony review anytime u make a battery arrest call them for a felony upgrade even if its just a smack. When they ask what the hell you are doing calling just say hey they charged the sgt.
IPRA today requested and obtained an arrest warrant for a CPD SGT. for allegedly striking someone. The member was arrested and charged for an on duty incident. He is charged with Aggravated Battery AND Official Misconduct. Is this where we are now, CR#'s turn in to arrest warrants. Why the grandstanding on IPRA's part. Would this member have just not responded to a call to come in to the station. Would an ASA give any one of us a warrant without exhausting all attempts at an arrest first? IPRA is now clear cut the enemy. Know your contract and invoke it when you do or don't speak to them. Anyone else can be next. Be safe and God Bless.
Aggravated battery? Are you kidding me? This system is so screwed up! I'm sick of these ASA's! They make us jump through hoops to charge someone with a felony, but because there's a Sgt. involved, they're gonna slam him? This case gets thrown out 100% of the time if a civilian slaps someone. More incentive to keep going out there & be the workin police! Better off letting the savages run wild & kill each other. Just give them a report and collect your check!
Didn't Mayor Daley's nephew punch some kid and kill him? And didn't even get arrested for a misdemeanor charge! But because an officer slaps some smart mouth punk, he gets charged with a felony? Good going Anita Alvarez! He was just getting the slap his daddy never gave him.
How's the shit-heads background.
That didn't even qualify as a bitch slap!
What makes it aggravated?
If some POS tried to spit blood on me I'd bitch slap him too!
Ghetto lotto in process for this POS.
Cozzi, part 2 ?
I totally agree with the post, but it's a stretch to say somebody 'tried' to spit on you. They either spit or they don't. I just can't picture what 'trying' to spit would look like.
This makes me sick to my stomach. And the coppers who will go down with him, just because they were there, well, that's just insane.
Dude spit on me and kicked me. ASA would not approve aggbattery.
FUCK YOU!
The sgt. will have no defense. Turn the suspect around or put him in the car. Plus, he really gave him a couple of wallops, not just taps. Just like Cozzi, he will do time over this.
I see nothing wrong with what he did, you have to be the police. But to a jury, not good.
Hands off people. If this doesn't teach you to lay down, nothing will. I am a det. and have a much higher threshold before I will arrest someone now. I never used to be like that, but now I am. What does it matter if you arrest someone anyway? We have lost the war.
And I am not going to pay punitive damages to some mutt who can convince a jury.
LAY DOWN!
they will not hesistae to hang an officer. but a career criminal can go and come as they please. people give this city what it wants the warm and fuzzy police. give out case reports for everything. And tell the victim that any concerns should be addressed at the next caps meeting. because an event number will solve everything. what a joke.
Remember kids, protect yourself.
Spitting constitutes a Battery, which requires an OBR. Then you must do a TRR (open hand strike) to get him to stop his act upon you. If this was done, I am sure this media circus would not be happening.
This is just another part of the state controlled media's campaign to whip up more hatred for us.
Young guys especially, you have to realize that most of the residents of Chicago hate you because they hate law, order, and civilization. The establishment stays in power on the votes of this devolved population....and it's big business.
The only benefit the police offer to the establishment is that we draw heat from them.
Hey 12:26- FUCK YOU!
I'm done. Anyone that has spent more than thirty seconds in the ghetto understands that all respect is related to either money or the ability to deliver force. If a copper cannot defend himself when someone is threatening to spit on him them I'm done as should the rest of you be. I've been on the job for over thirty years and still like to work. I belive in what we do and who we are. But this is the last straw. It's apparent that this society is only giving lip service to the idea of supporting the police in efforts to make their neighborhoods a better place to live. You are going to arrest a Policeman for slapping a piece of shit who is trying to spit on a him? Then if that's the way it is, I'm done. To those that live in Rogers Park, Uptown, West Town and the like, you are your own. You have made it clear. Good luck because I for one will not be doing anything from this point on.
Looking at it from the other side.....
If the offender's mother is in fact an IPRA investigator the state really didn't have a choice but to charge the sgt because....
1. it's on video tape
2. the offender was cuffed
3. The guy was "going" to spit on the sgt but did not. (I know people going to say what if he was pointing a knife or gun at him intending to harm him.... those items could immediately hurt you, spit can not. Nasty...yes, disgusting...yes immediate harm....probably not)
4. He gave the offender three slaps, one he could have gotten away with it (maybe) three... I dont think so.
5. Along with all of the above and since it was on the public way there was no other choice then to charge him with aggravated battery (mainly for the reasons above not because it happened on the street.)
I can see the first slap being warranted if the Sarge feared being spit on. But why not throw the punk in the car then? Why continue to stand next to him? The other two slaps are going to be hard to explain.
Upon first view of the video I assumed the punk was spitting at the officer.
---not a cop
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
You are still a fucking troll. Now go hide behind your desk.
Sgt Howrad is a great guy, and he's not the type that goes around beating on people. If the guy was slapped, it was for a very justifiable reason. Spitting on the police is agg batt too.
Never, ever, give an ASA a pass on anything. Once again, they have proven that they are out to fuck the working police. I hope all of you finally learn that Alvarez and her minions are truly the enemy. I can't wait to catch one of them driving under the influence or engaged in a domestic. The arrest will go by the book and a rejection by Felony Review will result in a request for an override.
No luck there, go the media. Expose how these punks think that they are above the law.
Just to fuck with felony review anytime u make a battery arrest call them for a felony upgrade even if its just a smack. When they ask what the hell you are doing calling just say hey they charged the sgt.
I agree!
United we stand! Divided we are what we are now! Nothing without each other.
4/16/2011 12:42:00 AM
You are 100% correct. I don't know this Sgt. personally, but I will be glad to contribute financially to help him out.
A spit in the face can cause the transmission of HIV, Hepatitis and a variety of other communicable diseases. We have to be able to protect ourselves from a lifetime of medical misery and possible death. Go spit in Anita Alvarez' face and see what happens.
I would would've slapped the fuck out of him too.
The FAT LITTLE MIDGET had his MEDIA BITCHES bring this out so the sheep can forget about Vanecko.
I/F KMA.
Good thing J-Fled isn't still around cause after he gets his punishment from the state court J-Fled will see to it that he goes to federal ourt and shares a cell with Cozzi. Very scary days for the working copper!
Hey- if someone spits in another person’s face is the offender not an active assailant? With all the disease, HIV, Hepatitis, TB, who knows what else, per the use of force the officer can use an open hand strike, or is the city going to provide cops with spit guards?? It sounds like the city is failing to provide officers with the necessary equipment.
Looks like you have never had your buttons pushed. Sadly fool's like you seem to be the wave of the future for the CPD. This was a very close brotherhood. Now the tools that run this City have turned us on each other. Copper's getting charged with Felony's to make a name for some ASA is game in this town.....
If someone gets punched in the face(usually on the public way)and the vicitm gets a broken nose call the ASA office and request agg batt charges. There is a standing rule that "Nones don't count" so how can bitch slaps count?
Alvarez is the best attorney any gangbanger could ask for she is their friend and hates the police
Times have changed for the police, and not for the better! In the past, this would have been, at the most, a suspension. The sergeant appeared, and I say appeared, to be wrong in what he did. He is a supervisor and should set the tone, not going around slapping handcuffed arrestees. Yes, in my past, I did the same thing as a patrolman and as a sergeant.The situation takes over and things happen. Hard to control, especially if the arrestee is trying to spit on you . But, what I did was over 20 years ago and as I said, times have changed. If not for the video, this would have gone away. this is not an aggravated battery case, but a lot of overkill. I would think that the officer will be found not guilty at trial, but no telling what the department will do with him, or the feds. God help the police now, especially with Alveraz in office. Boy, am I glad I am retired and have left the city. It looks like a very good police officer is now going to go through a lot of hoops in order to save his job and pension.
Where is Shields defending this guy? Where is our new FOP leadership and Pat Camden speaking up for this hard working SGT?
Too bad sgt Howard isn't white and named Vanecko. Oh well I guess life just ain't fair.
Hey 12:26 a.m.
"agg batt.. it occoured on the public way" When is the last time you got charges approved because it occurred on the public way?
"And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot" No, yo are not a Chicago Police Officer, you are some mush who got a degree and took this job when you couldn't find one in your chosen career with your liberal arts degree like so many other 10 year wonders, which is what is decimating this department. You may have learned at Liberal U that it's okay to spit at the police, but it's not.
Very few people coming on this job are coming on because they have wanted to be cops all of their life, all we seem to be getting are people that can't get jobs they want and settle on this job, ridiculous.
It's interesting that there is no mention as to who the gang-banger's Auntie is and where she works and how that could have tainted the investigation.
And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer
Uhhh,no,,you are A FUCKING TROLL.
Charges are "aggravated" vs "simple" because the SGT. was armed. (Another BS law that was passed to go after bangers, organized crime etc. that is now being used to go after legally armed police). Just another reminder that CCSA are not our friends. They will go the extra mile to ruin our lives. This new administration has been rumored that they want to fix the police department's morale problem ASAP. This is a BIG part of the morale problem. Making a scumbag, dopeboy, gangbanger a victim is once again sending us the message that nobody has our backs.
Every good copper out there knows that if they are challenged by any citizen, they better maintain the upperhand or that copper's actions makes it harder on the next cop that responds next time. Be safe out there, and take care of each other.
Was the kid charged with Assault and TRR's done? If not the Sgt is Fkd.
What a shame!! I worked with you eddy in the past. Great guy to work for and very knowledgeable about the streets and great to his officers he was in charge of. This just shows that it is better to do NO WORK at all!!! Being the working police will get u FIRED! We all know u are being railroaded Sgt Howard stay strong buddy!!!
I feel for this sergeant and his family. But remember this is a job. You can't get remiss and emotionally involved with this job. The guys who will get jammed up every time are the workers. The harder you work the higher the odds you will have trouble. Work smart. Do your job. Don't get emotionally involved. Answer your calls. Do some movers and parkers. Make an arrest if wanted on your jobs. Never race to any job, unless a 10-1. Make it to retirement the same way you came on.
I hope the sergeant beats this. And remember the criminals have high profile families and friends. We lost things already. They don't keep them in jail. They just keep sending them back to the streets in cook county. And they hate the police.
After all is said and done, it was a battery. Simple as that.
He shoulda un-cuffed the ass wipe and THEN slapped him.
this is why I hung up my spurs--- I still roll on my calls and would go thru a brick wall to help out another copper in need, but just tossing cars looking for dope or throwing guys up on the wall are history--- because the good sgt is charged with the commission of a felony while on duty his pension is in jeopardy--- the best case scenario is that he pleads to a misdemeanor battery and gets the official misconduct tossed--- the job will be gone but he will keep his pension--- all you young gunners, LOOK, it's right in front of your eyes-- this sgt is charged with 2 felonies for nothing and the commendations and honorables and the fact that he is a good guy don't mean shit--- nobody has your six if you get in a jam....
Things have to get really bad before the public and law makers appreciate us. BEWARE VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, is all around us. To bad we have to live here. Can't wait to move out. I lived here all my life and now hate this city. Years of mismanagement and corruption.
This department is swirling down the drain faster than you can push the handle.
All of you nitwits who are still slapping people around thinking there are no cameras, think again. You are within camera range no matter where you are and no matter what time of day.
I can't believe people are still out there doing this shit. Didn't anyone learn ANYTHING from the example they made of Bill Cozzi?
Is a slap or two to show some shit turd who's boss worth a stint in prison and losing everything you own? And those of you who just happen to be there and don't lock up the slapper or turn him in will be going straight down the tubes along with him.
No arrests, no problems.
Amazing thing on the Scum Times website....Comment section for Niel Berg-stein's wilding article is closed but this one is open
And your shocked? Do you know what I call a "working Police Officer"? STUPID!
Why on earth would you do anything more than answer your calls. Another good cop set ablaze.
We should be sending tiny dancer a message. But we wont. We will continue to go out there and be sacrificial lambs. Well at least you will. I sure as hell wont.
Makes me sick.
At best a 2-3 day suspension is all this should be.the man is getting fucked to show all of us how it is going to be.have at it hard chargers..no boss has your back.
was weems arrested? oh no, 30 days susp and promoted. Cozzi goes to jail, Weems goes to work.
If you arrest or otherwise confront someone while you are working and you get jammed up as a result, you have no one to blame but yourself.
You have been warned time and again and still you don't learn.
No more drug arrests, no more searches of the cars and the homes, no more witness detentions, no more surveillance, no more stopping of the people in the areas "known for gang and narcotics activity, no more questioning of the thug for any reason.
Write reports, arrest domestics. This is the job. This is what you have been told to do and only do for the past 15 years. If you deviate from these duties, you will suffer consequences.
Beware. This is the way CR numbers are going to be handled from now on by the SA. They won't charge a murderer, but you can bet your ass they'll charge you. They don't care if they lose it at trial. They win the moment they charge you.
God help us, the evil doers control this city, county and state.
4/16/2011 12:22:00 AM
And yet we still can't get more than a quarter of the cops to ever register to vote, let alone come out and vote for someone who will protect their interests.
They got me!!! I 5 years on. I like to work, I'm still in the Guard, and always thought I would never just answer calls. I worked in a couple busy south side districts (007) but I really think I'm not going to do any proactive work. I'm getting my masters in 2 months and going to get my phd and i think i'm out of this shit hole city, county, state....4-5 more years and I'm out. It sucks because all I ever wanted to be was a Chicago Policeman. It's too bad... These bosses, reverends, aldermans, and asa's can go F themselves.
Here we go again. State plays with the public way aspect of a battery charge and makes it aggravated. We should all seek aggravated battery charges through Felony Review when a simple battery occurs on the public way. Point to the fact that they charge an officer with agg. battery for a so called slap, because of the public way aspect. Picking and choosing who gets charged. What about Vanecko, he kills a kid and they won't even look into it any further! Time to change the law, or enforce the laws equally.
The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
Shut the fuck up, you idiot. You're saying that you would have let that asshole spit in your face? You are not out here to be a punching bag or the recipient of disease laden bodily fluids just because you're a cop.
The problem with this department isn't brutal cops, it's pussies like you who make the job harder for the rest of us because you empower the street thugs by your gutlessness.
If you are the true coward you sound like, quit and join the ranks of the liberal assholes who don't have the guts to do this job and make room for a man or a woman who knows how to take control of a situation with a violent asshole.
I'm sure the thought of having to put hands on a violent offender makes you shudder, but it needs to be done on occasion in this line of work. An open hand stun to defeat an attack is allowed you panty wearing little mutt.
Now go fetch your fucking shine box, you gutless little worm.
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
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You're not a troll so don't worry.....a pussy yes, but never a troll!
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
Go back to hiding on your north side beat. One day when you work south and learn how to be the police you can judge his actions.
'agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM'
'...it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer....'
liar.
'...The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops.'
bullshit.
'We dont become the criminals.'
more bullshit.
the truly ironic thing is, without the firm hand of guidance, being applied at the "appropriate" time, place and circumstance, the spitting punk will, no doubt, end up meeting me.
Chalkie
Time to follow all the rules for cases like this. Inventory a sample of the spitum, file and IOD/contagious disease contact, seek felony charges. Request sample be analyzed for DNA. Go IOD for two weeks with the
"vapors".
This is a sad day for the Chicago Police Department. Another good police officer that is thrown under the commie- county bus. They hesitate to charge a murderer if they do not have all their ducks in order. They drool at the thought of destroying the life of an officer and his family. The pendulum of right needs to swing in the right direction. God help us, the evil doers control this city, county and state.
4/16/2011 12:22:00 AM
I'm sure that you enjoy being spat upon as part of foreplay before bending over, but the rest of us would rather like to avoid the TB, HIV and other diseases that come with the bodily fluids these street urchins carry.
But you just do your thing, Sally. You're making a difference out there and are a shining example of how to police like the liberals want.
I'll hock a loogie in your face if you need some additional training.
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
Hey goofball,
Go back to your cubicle at 35th and get some ADS a cup of coffee. Leave the police work to everyone else and stay inside where you can stay safe away from the savages.
You know NOTHING about this job other than ollecting your paycheck the 1st and 16th. GFY!!
The problem in this case are the computer dorks in the POD viewing room at CPIC.
A job is dispatched, so they pull up a Pod nearby. The actual crime is over, but what do these dorks do? They watch the police response. They even zoom in the police.
Never ever has a Pod caught a crime in progress. But these dorks at CPIC, who have never done police work, sit back and watch police work like they are watching a crime drama. They are the enemy.
Why do they do this?
1. They are bored. They thought they would become a super tough police hero, but criminals scared them, so they decided to monitor cameras all night.
2. They're typical liberal know-it-alls. Having never done police work themselves, they are fully capable of second guessing police from all they've learned by watching TV.
3. They are straight up rats who believe that computers and cameras are the way up in this department and burning a couple cops will just get them there faster.
Do me a favor. If you ever meet a Pod Watcher from CPIC, spit on him.
This job absolutely sucks. This sgt was exemplary for 24 straight years, then for 2 minutes he loses his cool b/c someone is trying to spit on him and now he's looking at jail time. This just isn't right. We should be allowed a little leway while dealing with THESE SCUMS OF THE EARTH. That's what they are. I just hate this job and this society.
@ 12:26
I know this man an he is no thug. Let's see you in action if someone tried to spit on you. Rather than support a brother you distance yourself. That is what is wrong with this department....divide and conquer.
SLOW DOWN SLOW DOWN SLOW DOWN
Brothers and sisters it is only going to get worst in the comming year we die it back than over money. That is why Daley had to create meter maids if the citizens don't want us to police than don't. Protect your neighborhood only. Sad to say but on these times proactive policing is dead unless you want a CR or civil case attached.
We need to stand together I am tried of seeing fellow officers having the book thrown at them and a legit pinch can't even get PC.
I say we march no only for Howard but for every future officer that could have easily been in his shoes did you guys also forget about the officers 14 think what you want, but they should have NEVER been stripped. How many times have you seen a scene like that in the west or south side the shithead was never touch but they get stripped because the gangbanger fu$k get scared.
We are walking down a road with no return if you are ok with what has been going on that's fine just remember you could easily be stripped for just doing your job.
Whatever brotherhood is dead in the CPD.
Its alvarez's all out war against chicago police officers. This is a diversionary tactic to help her benefactors, the daleys. She is not a friend to law enforcement, please remember that, in the next elections. Shes hoping to get tapped to be a judge, heaven help crook county then. The sargeant is not the only the one shes trying to charge, the po's with the pos urban terrorist in the back of the tahoe, whose represented by loevy and loevy, are on her sights too. Watch your back, cya, and if you get an opportunity use your own camera phone to record the p.o.s you deal with everyday. Its going to be a long summer. You have to go home to and support your families, unless there is a complainant, willing to signed complaints or its an onview you can document with your car , pod, or your own camera, 19 P it. The ASA office and the politicians are not your friend. Make sure to maintain your professionalism, back each other up, advise fellow officers when you feel that mcc ordinance does not apply to a particular incident, forget about the numbers game, make your patrols, but leave the gangs members to practice their civil rights and hangout on the street corners and sidewalks. Remember your probable cause class, you must observe and watch the individual, for a period of time, an anonymous call, not longer works as the pc. You have been getting warned! Cozzi was just the beginning, the vídeo age has arrived! These vídeos will get played by the media, with the blessings, of those elected officials, we allow to be elected or reelected. Remember backroom deals, the killing of a drunk kid, the bargaining for a senate seat, all this while recorded will never be made public. But a vídeo featuring a kid, whose momma works for IPRA, will be played over and over again. Be safe and God Bless the CPD and CFD.
When i first started this job an old timer that i know told me that the easiest way for a good law abiding citizen to go to jail was to become a cop.
I didn't really understand what he meant at the time, but i sure do now.
Had this happened between two non cops there wouldn't even have been an arrest made.
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
Let me spit on you and see how you react... Hair gel pansy... You have NO CLUE
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
it was a private parking lot, try again
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate.
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If you pretended to be a cop on the public way, like you are pretending to be one on the internet...Now, that would be a felony. Dumbass.
don't know the Sgt. but hear good about him. This cuffed offender continues to assault the Police and his weapon of choice, SPIT, is deflected,with minimal force, and they want to charge the victim, the Police, with a crime.
This should be it, and by it I mean our stand. the STAND that's has happen. Has to NOW or LATER or Should have, with Cozzi. I'll stand with you, with all of you. Anytime.It has to happen
Eddie Howard is the partner I'd want going thru the door with me. It sickens me what they are doing to him and his family over this piece of garbage who will never contribute to society. You think this department layed down after Cozzi? It's going to get worse and it doesn't matter who the new Supt. will be because this department is never coming back. It's what the public wants (event numbers and case reports) and that's all they'll get.
The SGT's lawyer needs to play up the hypocrisy on the part of Alvarez in the Vanecko case. A punch that leads to a man's death and slap to a face but only the slap ends up with charges... unbelievable!
Hints the words get in and get the $uck out! no time for crowds to gather and cause a scene put them in the car and get the hell out of there....
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
Let me spit on you. Let’s see how you react.
See, I know enough law and G.O.'s and the Use of Force to know that I can give you an open hand stun if you threaten to spit on me. I know that I can pimp-slap the daylights out of you if you don't comply with being hand-cuffed. I know that if you ball your hands into a fist, I don’t have to wait till you throw the first punch to beat your ever lovin' ass, with some direct mechanical shit, as laid out in General Order G03-02-01. You may want to re-read it. ( http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57be2-128ff3f0-ae912-8fff-cec11383d806e05f.html?ownapi=1 )
I dont get where you see any "thug" behavior. You state " I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer."... Well, take your skirt off, and be the POLICE! Try not to be afraid of getting your hands dirty every once and a while.
You think "Charging was appropriate"? As in "I think that Sgt should be charged with a crime."? or "I think that is the correct charge for said action."?
In both cases, you are incorrect. See, If Mr/Mrs Citizen performs the same action, the A.S.A.'s office will laugh at you before they hang up the phone on you as you seek felony charges. I understand we are "judged by a higher standard", but a felony charge, for this??? Please...
If that’s how you feel, lets post your T.R.R.'s and review YOUR actions. Lets look at the things YOU have done while in the performance of your duty! Weren’t YOU armed at the time you used force to effect an arrest? Was it on the "Public Way"?
Changes things a little, doesn’t it...
See, this is nothing more than a "Smoke and Mirror" campaign by Alverez to take the heat off of her and the CCSAO for the Daley/ Vanecko case.
Remember one thing, “Office”; YOU might be the next one under the bus.
"If that punk woulda suceeded in spitting in the Sgts. Face she never would of approved charges because of the lack of injuries."
4/16/2011 12:45:00 AM
AMEN! A.S.A.'s office told me "aint gonna happen" when the bad-guy spit in my face in Oct '10. Just about the same time this happned.
I guess some pepole think that we are punching bags. Well, I learned my lesson, the less I have contact with people, the less I have to worry about getting jammed up.
Oh Yes I really want to go out and clean up the streets now. Only arrest I will ever make now is on signed complaints. I am not making excuses for Howard but you can see how fast they will pounce on you if there is even a hint of any misconduct not to mention the civil action to come. Any person can lose their cool under pressure and let's face it the real police out there are putting more pressure on themselves than required these days. Society should get the Police they want so I will give it to them. They want glorified secretaries with guns. Do you ever see anyone working inside at 35th street in a similar situation? I will perform my duty to the best of my ability within the guidelines of the law. This means that the thugs are empowered more and more because society wants us to police them but will only allow us to yell Trick or Treat at them. Thank God I am a short timer.
Had this sh*t bird's father stuck around he would have got what Eddie gave him. Unfortunately Eddie's going to pay the price for this dog's rearing.
How's the shit-heads background.
4/16/2011 01:51:00 AM
Hand full of arrests, weed, pcs, ooohhhh, lookie here, AGG BATT to a Teacher. Looks like shithead is setting a pattern. Guess he aint Mr. Innocent afterall.
WOW, go figure.
No angle or scheme here. Just plain facts: Video of a police officer striking an arrestee with handcuffs on!!
No need to blame Alvarez....it's not her fault. No need to blame anyone except Sgt. Howard who couldn't control himself and forgot to always remember that the cameras are ON!!!!
Can we please hear from the former female officer in 008 who was identified on video and by department store security at Ford City for slapping the retail theft offender while the offender was handcuffed. The DVD was delivered to the Commander. Can we hear from someone about this incident? As far as I know she was fired.
I remember when a 13 year old punk spit in my face. It wasn't pretty, but I had the good sense to withhold my retaliation until I was out of the public's view! No public cameras at that time (hell, we didn't even have cell phones then!). I got a CR number for it, but, thank God, the complainant was a person who was not present during the incident. The kid couldn't be located for a statement by IAD (and no, I didn't get rid of the kid, if that's what you're thinkin'). The complaint went no where: Not sustained!
Don't risk your career for some foolish revenge. Remember: Cameras everywhere! If you have to, trade your revenge for some relief on the rocks at the gin mill or the big bag at the gym or just keep lockin' up that piece of shit every time you see him!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
Hair gel liberal when the animal spits in your face guess it would be ok then right jagoff?
Maybe ASA Alvarez should charge the Mexican teacher from Nazareth H.S. with battery and official misconduct for banging her students on at least 10 occasions according to news accounts. Oh yea forget about she the teacher may be a fellow "Latin Queen"
Wow Officer 12:26am, I wish we were all as perfect as you. It must be a special feeling to know you've never made a mistake or let a shithead get under your skin.
Just cut Mom and Son a nice big fat check and all will be forgiven. Strange no one has said what led up to the arrest of this fine young man. Just what did he do inside the restaurant with his friends that caused the cops to be called. Always have to know the camera is recording everything you do these days.
He will beat it in court, Alvarez charged the case just to say they did something about it; she knows it's a loser, but still another feather in her cap. Handle your jobs and back each other up, that's all....
To Comment 4/16/2011, 12:26 AM
F#&K YOU! No great bodily harm or permanent injuries, where's the Agg Batt. You are not the polce, your the play police!!
Regarding P.O. Mother Theresa's below comment, you must work in in a slow district or you are a house mouse that does not deal daily with the savage to write something like this. Get off your soap box and out from behind that desk and see how it feels to bite your tounge and hold back that slap with these shitbirds and then you can throw your 2 cents in. What we, in ghetto districts deal with day in and day out, I'm not surprised this is not done more and caught more on tape. These savages only understand two things and that is an F'U and a backhand. Please don't try to respond with that you work or worked in a ghetto or a fast district, because if you did you would not have wrote this B.S. in the first place. Also, you are a troll.
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Anonymous said...
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
Being spat on is a battery. In this day and age God knows what disease somebody has. Aids, HIV, TB, you name it. Yeah, does the video look kinda of bad. To the general public - yeah a little. But come on - The department and the ASA's are trying to bring the hammer down on this guy. But career criminals can walk the streets in Chicago with 10-20-30 page rap sheets and little to nothing is done about them.
Anita Alvarez shouldn't even be the CCSA. She doesn't believe in the 2nd amendment for pete's sake. She would rather see a young woman brutalized and raped than to have her carry a concealed weapon. I thought all these politicians swore to uphold the Constitution when they took office. This crooked city, county and state are all screwed up because of these left wing liberal assholes that somehow got elected. All us decent folk ought to move out of this crummy state and let the libtards have their love fest with the thugs since they always want to protect them while throwing the cops under the bus.
One slap: not an issue. The guy was gonna spit and at that point he is an assailant. You don't have to wait for someone to fire a shot at you, why do you have to wait before being spit on to stop the assailant.
One slap: defense attorney and use of force expert get this tossed.
The problem is 3 slaps.
The public and the news media do not sympathize when things like this happen. He will have a tough way to go.
Just to fuck with felony review anytime u make a battery arrest call them for a felony upgrade even if its just a smack. When they ask what the hell you are doing calling just say hey they charged the sgt.
4/16/2011 01:05:00 AM
Agreed.
12:26. I bet you have not made an arrest for anything that did not have a sign complaint..like shoplifting,domestic battery, Your my hero..fuck you. Liberal prick.
Simple battery nothing more !!! If his parents disciplined the bastard at home the police wouldn't have to do it !!!
To the TROLL who claims to be the police where do you work so I can spit in your face!
I agree Eddie is a great cop. But enough with the perp talk gel head.
Did anyone read Hillard's new PAX501? He kinda sounded like JPUD. All this pushing the benefits of the in-car camera and talking about the bad apples on the Department is making me sick. Wake up people, those cameras are there for one reason: TO HANG YOU IF THE DEPARTMENT THINKS YOU SCREWED UP.
Our top brass is such a bunch of gutless backstabbers trying to keep their gold stars. They will throw anyone and everyone under the bus if they think it will save their career. Standing up for whats right is one thing but the way certain members of this department are treated because if the actions of a few is unacceptable. The best advice I can recommend to people out there working is take it easy and just collect the pay check.
If you interact with the "citizens" it can only get you in trouble. No contact=no videos, no beefs, no lawsuits, no criminal indictments.
Just wait it out hopefully the pendulum will swing back some day.
Just to fuck with felony review anytime u make a battery arrest call them for a felony upgrade even if its just a smack. When they ask what the hell you are doing calling just say hey they charged the sgt.
4/16/2011 01:05:00 AM
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Yes! Great idea.
would it have been so much better if he took the cuffs off him and then bitch-slapped him???Yes, i guess so...
Anonymous said...
What about Vanecko? He can kill someone in a drunken bar brawl and nothing happens. A police officer defends himself from getting spit upon and there are felony charges?
4/16/2011 12:19:00 AM
This one has VIDEO genius.
Where is FOP's new leadership. Where is Camden coming out and making a statement in support of this sgt
You guys need to settle down First of all eddie howard is not who you think he is,I won't pile on but this is not the character we want to make our stand on. Secondly, if you guys can't see the time of day were in now that it's only April then this summer is going to be a bit#$ for you. The pendulum has swing the other way, deal with it or it will deal with you. In conclusion, if you all don't treat every encounter as if your being video taped by security cameras/cell phones/or any other devise then your friggin goofs.
Railroad job of the highest proportion by IPRA!
Perfect example of do NOT do any more police work for this piece of shit city!
Let the animals run wild!
I vote for "carry and conceal law" for all law abiding citizens and then take care of your own business without sending the animals to court!
Da Pelon
Screw Alvarez, she's the type of tyrant Jefferson,Adams and Washington warned about. Screw her and her communist liberal agenda.
I'll hock a loogie in your face if you need some additional training.
4/16/2011 10:32:00 AM
did you, perhaps, copy, paste and quote the wrong comment?
I can't wait for some shit head spit at me or hit me. down I go and IO fuckin D. fuck this department let alone this turd of a city! Can't beat Em so join em !
Seriously, those of you still doing police work need to have your heads examined.
Even if this was properly documented, it still does not mean they won't arrest you. Don't think doing a TRR is a cover-all.
The only way to avoid jail on this job is to do NOTHING. Don't you realize it's nearly impossible to fire you for DOING NOTHING, while they will charge you at the drop of a hat? When's the last time you saw someone on the news who's getting fired for doing NOTHING?
Those of you who do this job because you 'believe in it, have honor, make a difference,' see if you can still imagine those wonderful principles dancing through your head while you're laying in your bunk in the pen with some f*ckn hillbilly who hates you as a roomie. Cozzi?
Good Lord, give it up. Doing pro-active police work is a thing of the past. Save yourselves. Don't do anything that will give them ammo--cuz brothers and sisters, they ARE gunning for YOU.
The ASA was considering charging all of the POs on scene for failing to report the excessive force! YES! This is correct! From someone on the inside...
Anonymous said...
Where is Shields defending this guy? Where is our new FOP leadership and Pat Camden speaking up for this hard working SGT?
4/16/2011 08:38:00 AM
The FOP represents police officers and detectives. Some concepts are hard to understand but sgts have their own union.
Eddie Howard, is a good man, worked with him in 005 and Sox Park.He made a mistake in judgement, but to face criminal charges and a video on the news is bullcrap(after being spit-on).As a hard-working Sgt,who has sustained 2 surgeries (IOD) in last couple of years for arresting goofs. It sickens me to see hard-working CPD officers being jammed (suspension vs.firing/jail-time).We have some officers who missuse their office, but they are in the minority!!
The officers' in my district face untold danger everyday and I'm proud toanswer calls and serve with them!! The few lazy dogs who play radio tag with emergency personals and contact cards are in the minority CITY_WIDE!!!Let's stay CPD strong and remember we are our Brother's KEEPER.Remember, someone wore that badge before YOU..Are you filling their SHOES!!!RIDE HARD RANGERS...
I may be missing something here, but if this SGT. really wanted to hurt this guy, by looking at him one slap would have sent him half wat to Edison Park. These were nothing more than "Do I have your attention slaps. your not talking to your momma, or baby's momma, or any of your other bitch's. But if spit on me again I will knock your ass out". Not once did I see his legs buckle, nor did I see him falling on the ground screaming for his momma. This is everyone trying to imnpress the new Mayor Elect. MAYOR ELECT PICK A SIDE. And to any copper bashing him, you should be ashamed.
Whose camera caught the deed? Was it a pod, in car or private sector camera, and who came forth with the footage?
The next two year wonder that calls another P.O. a dog, is gonna get bitched slapped!
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
I dont care if you are a cop or not, you are a tool."public way" ? if you are a cop then you must know, unless you worked a desk your entire career, that the public way portion of the aggravated battery statute is only applied against police officers. Never in my over ten years on this job in the busiest districts have I ever had a detective, sergeant, WC, or ASA recommend the aggravated battery charge for a battery that may have occurred on the public way. Neither have any of the above asked that I classify a battery case report as aggravated because of the public way provision in the statute. IF you have indeed worked the streets and allowed yourself to be spit on without there being a physical consequence to that act shame on you. You have made my job less dignified and less safe and you have punked yourself and the uniform. What this Sgt. may have done is not an example of thug conduct. It may be an example of a physical response by a dignified human being who will not sit there and allow himself to be spit on.
The problem in this case are the computer dorks in the POD viewing room at CPIC.
A job is dispatched, so they pull up a Pod nearby. The actual crime is over, but what do these dorks do? They watch the police response. They even zoom in the police.
Never ever has a Pod caught a crime in progress. But these dorks at CPIC, who have never done police work, sit back and watch police work like they are watching a crime drama. They are the enemy.
Why do they do this?
1. They are bored. They thought they would become a super tough police hero, but criminals scared them, so they decided to monitor cameras all night.
2. They're typical liberal know-it-alls. Having never done police work themselves, they are fully capable of second guessing police from all they've learned by watching TV.
3. They are straight up rats who believe that computers and cameras are the way up in this department and burning a couple cops will just get them there faster.
Do me a favor. If you ever meet a Pod Watcher from CPIC, spit on him.
It sounds like you have some anger issues. Relax on the hate for a fellow brother in blue.
Fuck ipra
I had one spit on me who had the AIDS virus. Talk about wanting to slap the fuck out of someone..
1226am is a house mouse or a life lonG n side copper. wake up
did you, perhaps, copy, paste and quote the wrong comment?
4/16/2011 05:35:00 PM
Yeah, I did, but I've been drinking. Sorry to the right thinking guy and a big fuck you to the pansy little shit who thinks slapping a spitting thug piece of shit makes us goons.
Anonymous said...
What about Vanecko? He can kill someone in a drunken bar brawl and nothing happens. A police officer defends himself from getting spit upon and there are felony charges?
4/16/2011 12:19:00 AM
This one has VIDEO genius.
4/16/2011 03:41:00
Yeah, and Vanecko wasn't protected either. Right asshole? Go crawl back under a rock you piece of shit.
The fucking point is that they go out of their way to screw a cop for a slap to a spitter while they protect a politician's family for KILLING SOMEONE.
But you are obviously too fucking stupid to pick up on that and too corrupt to support a cop over a criminal. Useless fucking piece of shit.
It you strike a handcuffed prisoner you’d better be able to justify it and then document it on paper, TRRs OBRs, etc. If not, anything else will be viewed as an after thought to CYA. A spitting prisoner may require a quick slap to distract then a quick take down to the ground or pull the shirt up over the head and immediately into a squad or wagon. Real simple remember the Cozzi incident.
1st it was bloody spit i believe agg assault/ never charged/ obstuct resist/ never charged. Prolly no TRR. Back in the day "wake up slap" today CYA. "OH BOY" fingers crossed for the SGR
Overload the bosses and Felony Review everyone. Read the Agg Batt statute...any simple battery outside a residence qualifies. Det Div will never come out; but, this is overcharging to the 99th degree.
Worked with the man in 005. I'd kick a door in with him today even though I'm retired.
Learn from this. You're probably always on camera today somehow.
It sounds like you have some anger issues. Relax on the hate for a fellow brother in blue.
4/16/2011 06:59:00 PM
ahhhhhh, the self appointed voice of reason speaks.
does polly want another cracker?
The ASA was considering charging all of the POs on scene for failing to report the excessive force! YES! This is correct! From someone on the inside...
4/16/2011 06:15:00 PM
what excessive force?
When will we learn?
1. Always assume that you are being recorded, as in most cases you are.
2. Why are we surprised at the actions of the States ATTORNEYS Office, they are after all not to be trusted as they are ATTORNEYS trying to make a name for themselves.
3. Don't knock Shields and the FOP so soon, they do not represent Sergeants.
4. YOU, as a Police Officer are NOT required to make an arrest without a warrant for an offence that did not occur in your presence. Make the damned report and "ADVISE WARRANTS". Let the victim go to the SAO and get a warrant. If we all did this, which is going by the letter of the law (just as Alvarez is) it would swamp the SAO and the courts.
Unfortunately it is to late for Sergeant! The best he can hope for is a Bench trial (asking for a jury trial would surely result in a conviction) and a sympathetic judge.
Quit trying to "Be" the Police, those days are gone. Answer your jobs, do what is required and CYA.
Yes you guessed it, I am not the street police, but am in the best unit in the City, RETIRED!
BE SAFE out there boys and girls!
All them cops just standing there letting a fellow cop do stupid. One slap he can probably explain. This guy is going to lose his job and probably go to jail because none of the cops just standing there cared enough about a fellow cop to do something to protect that cop from himself.
Having someone's back is a lot more than crashing together through a door at zero dark thirty. You really care about your brothers, do something about it when it really matters. Don't just stand there with your thumb up your ass and let a guy do something that is going to send him to jail.
I look forward to the day when we really as a group stick together and do what the liberals want.
The problem in this case are the computer dorks in the POD viewing room at CPIC.
A job is dispatched, so they pull up a Pod nearby. The actual crime is over, but what do these dorks do? They watch the police response. They even zoom in the police.
Never ever has a Pod caught a crime in progress. But these dorks at CPIC, who have never done police work, sit back and watch police work like they are watching a crime drama. They are the enemy.
Why do they do this?
1. They are bored. They thought they would become a super tough police hero, but criminals scared them, so they decided to monitor cameras all night.
2. They're typical liberal know-it-alls. Having never done police work themselves, they are fully capable of second guessing police from all they've learned by watching TV.
3. They are straight up rats who believe that computers and cameras are the way up in this department and burning a couple cops will just get them there faster.
Do me a favor. If you ever meet a Pod Watcher from CPIC, spit on him.
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I don't know about the CPIC putting cops in a trick bag but I know every time our team has called for help they come through for us. We call them at least once a month for help and we get it. They helped us with a robbery pattern that we were working on for months and got a problem solving award out of it. They are ok in our book.
-025 Tact
The problem in this case are the computer dorks in the POD viewing room at CPIC.
A job is dispatched, so they pull up a Pod nearby. The actual crime is over, but what do these dorks do? They watch the police response. They even zoom in the police.
Never ever has a Pod caught a crime in progress. But these dorks at CPIC, who have never done police work, sit back and watch police work like they are watching a crime drama. They are the enemy.
Why do they do this?
1. They are bored. They thought they would become a super tough police hero, but criminals scared them, so they decided to monitor cameras all night.
2. They're typical liberal know-it-alls. Having never done police work themselves, they are fully capable of second guessing police from all they've learned by watching TV.
3. They are straight up rats who believe that computers and cameras are the way up in this department and burning a couple cops will just get them there faster.
Do me a favor. If you ever meet a Pod Watcher from CPIC, spit on him.
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The video that was used againg the Sgt was not a CPIC pod so get your story straight. You got an example that the CPIC is working with IPRA/IAD? If not then easy with the spitting crap on fellow po's.
well I know that if some piece of crap spits in my face, well he will hurt, I know that we are suposed to control our emotions, but some little punk ass spits on me and i will lose it, after 35 yrs on this job I have no tolerence for trash, no balls bosses and the States Attorneys office. my advice is when we stop them, their family, friends etc, do your jobs to the fullest, we as police are now second class, so F___K them all.
If the video tainted the jury pool, argue for a change of venue to Kane, Mchenry or beyond.
This is another version of the ascending use of force model.
I'm no apologist for unnecessary police brutality, but this minor act of brutality seems like it was necessary.
Sometimes force is necessary.
If cops have to sit back and allow themselves to get spit on without physically reacting then the game is over. We should just turn in our shields and go home.
Now I don't know the Sergeant in question, but from what I was told by someone who worked with him a few years back he is an excellent cop. From watching the video it seems like the Sergeant spoke to the "victim" first and then when the "victim" didn't respond he escalated to get the attention of the "victim".
I know this isn't Mayberry, but sometimes force and even a slap is necessary to get someone's attention. Perhaps he should have been tasered?
Shit.
Hints the words get in and get the $uck out! no time for crowds to gather and cause a scene put them in the car and get the hell out of there....
4/16/2011 11:24:00 AM
Seriously, you must be on some great drugs. Your post makes no sense.
You could also benefit from learning to use a period, which is that little dot that ends a sentence. Once you have completed that thought, ending the sentence with a period, you begin the next sentence with a capital letter.
Try it. No, really; please try it.
Was listening to zone 6 today boys and girls stop chasing the animal, many foot chases who gives a shit? want to get hurt? The bosses will never back you up, who cares if the animals kill each other? Think about it,the savings to the taxpayers would be great!
(720 ILCS 5/33-3) (from Ch. 38, par. 33-3)
Sec. 33-3. Official Misconduct.) A public officer or employee or special government agent commits misconduct when, in his official capacity or capacity as a special government agent, he commits any of the following acts:
(a) Intentionally or recklessly fails to perform any
mandatory duty as required by law; or
(b) Knowingly performs an act which he knows he is
forbidden by law to perform; or
(c) With intent to obtain a personal advantage for
himself or another, he performs an act in excess of his lawful authority; or
(d) Solicits or knowingly accepts for the performance
of any act a fee or reward which he knows is not authorized by law.
So, if it is true that the complainant's mother is an investigator, employed by IPRA, it seems as if she has stepped outside of her legal scope, since she could not possibly conduct an impartial investigation. It wouldn't be a big deal on her part, until the lawsuit was filed. The lawsuit should satisfy the statuatory requirement of personal advantage/advantage to another. Now it is time to determine whether she inquired about the case or attempted to sway the investigation.
Now I must ask, why isn't she being investigated for violating 720 ILCS 5/33-3(c)?
If someone gets punched in the face(usually on the public way)and the vicitm gets a broken nose call the ASA office and request agg batt charges. There is a standing rule that "Nones don't count" so how can bitch slaps count?
Nice in theory, but if you think the dets are gonna come out, as short handed as they are, when you lock someone else up for battery on the public way, you are dreaming...
It sounds like you have some anger issues. Relax on the hate for a fellow brother in blue.
4/16/2011 06:59:00 PM
ahhhhhh, the self appointed voice of reason speaks.
does polly want another cracker?
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Not the voice of reason but the idea of spitting on another copper makes me sick. If you believe that's alright then you are jagbag and don't belong in this dept.
Yeah, and Vanecko wasn't protected either. Right asshole? Go crawl back under a rock you piece of shit.
The fucking point is that they go out of their way to screw a cop for a slap to a spitter while they protect a politician's family for KILLING SOMEONE.
But you are obviously too fucking stupid to pick up on that and too corrupt to support a cop over a criminal. Useless fucking piece of shit.
4/16/2011 08:20:00 PM
Again, I'll write it slooowly so you can understand, THIS ONE HAS VIDEO. Now count to 10, take your meds and be nice.
Anonymous said...
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
I have tried to respond to this poster five different times and erased it because I cannot make my statement strong enough, so how about just a plain old FUCK YOU and don't bump you head when you crawl out from under the desk at the end of your tour of duty. You have no idea what it takes to be the police.
The video that was used againg the Sgt was not a CPIC pod so get your story straight. You got an example that the CPIC is working with IPRA/IAD? If not then easy with the spitting crap on fellow po's.
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IAD got involved and pulled related video BECAUSE of what the Pod showed. The Pod watchers fucked this copper and are going to regularly fuck coppers because they are in the business of filming them AFTER a crime has occurred.
I could give a shit about a robbery pattern. I don't care if people in 025 get robbed. I care about police who respond to unsolvable ghetto problems and are criminally charged if they don't act like they work in a cubicle at 35th street.
These Pod watchers are regularly filming the police response to violent crimes. This sergeant won't be their last victim.
So instead of spitting on a Pod watcher, just give them a slap, or two, or three.
I'm in 011. Came on in 91. Sometimes, fellow old heads and me joke about things we did back in the early & mid 90's. It usually sounds like "Remember the time we beat the shit outta that jagoff who blah, blah, blah?" As we reflect back and laugh about the fun we had being young, hungry, aggressive PO's, trying to earn the respect of the vets, I often see a look in the eyes of the young guys who are listening. I hear it in their voices when they ask "You guys used to do that shit on the streets?" What I see and hear in the young guys (and in 011, we've got some good young guys) is that they want to hit the streets and do this job the way we and the PO's before us did it. They wanna go out there and flat out kick some ass. When I see that look, I'm quick to tell them "Don't do it!" "It's not worth losing your job". I explain to that back when we were slapping the taste out of a jagoff's mouth because he said something disrespectful, or spit while we were talking to him, times were VERY different. I tell'em First and foremost, back then, everyone didn't have a fuckin camcorder or their cellphone to video or audio record everything we did. Second, and more importantly, I tell'em, then, we had the support of the public... Even in the fuckin GHETTO districts. Not so today. Hell, even in districts the likes of 001, 016, 018, 019, or 023, the general public hates the police. Finally, I tell'em that when they absolutey, positively, just have to slap the fuck outta some jagoff, wait until you get him to the station, and in a room where there's ONLY YOU and the jagoff. That way, there are no witnesses. Sad to say, but in this day and age, you don't even want fellow PO's to witness you bitch-slapping some douchebag.
I see some folks here asking who the sergeant is, and others coming in and saying he's a good guy or maybe not a good guy.
I'll tell you the only thing you need to know. The guy is a uniformed sergeant working the streets in the 006th district of the patrol division.
Does anybody REALLY need any more guidance why he would be shamelessly pimped to the public for what is, at worst, a misdemeanor? Again, uniformed sergeant, 6th district, working the street.
What seperates such a person from the dozens and hundreds of POs, supervisors and exempts who have beefs various of us know are buried? Uniform. Ghetto district. Working the street.
I could care less if this guy makes love to animals in his spare time. The reason this is public is to make it seem like the CPD and CCSA have "zero tolerance", when the record is just the opposite. Enter your latest sacrifical lamb.
That is the angle.
"Official Misconduct" - I have been wondering about this statute for years now - why in the hell is it not "Void for vagueness????" ---
read the thing - performing any action that is prohibited by law - is a FELONY - pretty fucking vague - I'd say unconstitutionally vague -
Charges are "aggravated" vs "simple" because the SGT. was armed. (Another BS law that was passed to go after bangers, organized crime etc. that is now being used to go after legally armed police). Just another reminder that CCSA are not our
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For a battery? DOubt it. Maybe for a robbery yes , but a battery? No, pal ... no
The problem in this case are the computer dorks in the POD viewing room at CPIC.
A job is dispatched, so they pull up a Pod nearby. The actual crime is over, but what do these dorks do? They watch the police response. They even zoom in the police.
Never ever has a Pod caught a crime in progress. But these dorks at CPIC, who have never done police work, sit back and watch police work like they are watching a crime drama. They are the enemy.
Why do they do this?
1. They are bored. They thought they would become a super tough police hero, but criminals scared them, so they decided to monitor cameras all night.
2. They're typical liberal know-it-alls. Having never done police work themselves, they are fully capable of second guessing police from all they've learned by watching TV.
3. They are straight up rats who believe that computers and cameras are the way up in this department and burning a couple cops will just get them there faster.
Do me a favor. If you ever meet a Pod Watcher from CPIC, spit on him.
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The camera that caught this was affixed to the resturant. The myth thata pod camera got this is 100% false. If you dont belive me then go and watch the video which shows in the sidebar different angles of the store. Once again, another know it all copper that spouts off before he knows the facts. I wonder, how do some of the loudmouths on this department get hired???? -007 ranger
4. YOU, as a Police Officer are NOT required to make an arrest without a warrant for an offence that did not occur in your presence. Make the damned report and "ADVISE WARRANTS". Let the victim go to the SAO and get a warrant. If we all did this, which is going by the letter of the law (just as Alvarez is) it would swamp the SAO and the courts.
Hey, retired, you must have been asleep during your career. This is very poor advice to the younger crowd. Documenting a crime and taking no police action when all parties are present can lead to nice long suspension for that guy who thinks only writing a report is the answer. You don't cover yourself by walking away from a crime that you have just documented. I call bullshit.
Try to make a rational decision. If a case blows up because you took no police action, hope you like working at Walmart (if they are still hiring.)
IAD got involved and pulled related video BECAUSE of what the Pod showed. The Pod watchers fucked this copper and are going to regularly fuck coppers because they are in the business of filming them AFTER a crime has occurred.
I could give a shit about a robbery pattern. I don't care if people in 025 get robbed. I care about police who respond to unsolvable ghetto problems and are criminally charged if they don't act like they work in a cubicle at 35th street.
These Pod watchers are regularly filming the police response to violent crimes. This sergeant won't be their last victim.
So instead of spitting on a Pod watcher, just give them a slap, or two, or three.
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Stop spreading bullshit. That piece of shit's mom works at IPRA and got the ball rolling. The CPIC has nothing do with the case. The CPIC doesn't spend their time looking at the Pods unless asked by a dect or po. The retired po's at OEMC spend their shift watching the pods. Get your story straight before you want people slapped you douche bag,
I was working CBC when the SGT. came in. We obviously did not put him in with the shitbag real criminals. He was placed on a seperated bench out of view. I saw the cropped video. Looks like he followed Use of Force and escalated his response to gain comliance of a low level assailant. There are a small amount of numbers in our job that are real shitbags and should be fired and prisoned but the SA Office should be ashamed of themselves, this is not one. There are cameras on the bridge now aswell, for those of you that used to know how things were ran in the recent past. No longer. Shitbags can do what ever they want it seems and has officers hesitant to act/react, which will/has gotten other officers hurt/killed... What a shame. Should have listened to my dad and been a fireman... Good Luck Sarge!!!! CCSD
I was working CBC when the SGT. came in. We obviously did not put him in with the shitbag real criminals. He was placed on a seperated bench out of view. I saw the cropped video. Looks like he followed Use of Force and escalated his response to gain comliance of a low level assailant. There are a small amount of numbers in our job that are real shitbags and should be fired and prisoned but the SA Office should be ashamed of themselves, this is not one. There are cameras on the bridge now aswell, for those of you that used to know how things were ran in the recent past. No longer. Shitbags can do what ever they want it seems and has officers hesitant to act/react, which will/has gotten other officers hurt/killed... What a shame. Should have listened to my dad and been a fireman... Good Luck Sarge!!!! CCSD
4/17/2011 10:18:00 PM
I should have listened to my Dad too... I'd be working 89 days a year with you.
You're CCSD and were there, so was I, we probably talked about some of the people we worked with in the past out in the hall. From this Sgt, the ones that were there, and the rest of the CPD... A HUGE THANKS to you and the rest of CCPD that day!
Anonymous said...
Too bad sgt Howard isn't white and named Vanecko. Oh well I guess life just ain't fair.
4/16/2011 08:39:00 AM
Vanecko didn't punch someone on tape, play your race card somewhere else.
Anonymous said...
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
You are not a troll or a pussy, you are RIGHT! You are also the guy that is not going to lose his job, go to jail/prison or get sued.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yeah, and Vanecko wasn't protected either. Right asshole? Go crawl back under a rock you piece of shit.
The fucking point is that they go out of their way to screw a cop for a slap to a spitter while they protect a politician's family for KILLING SOMEONE.
But you are obviously too fucking stupid to pick up on that and too corrupt to support a cop over a criminal. Useless fucking piece of shit.
4/16/2011 08:20:00 PM
Again, I'll write it slooowly so you can understand, THIS ONE HAS VIDEO. Now count to 10, take your meds and be nice.
4/17/2011 09:55:00 AM
And the Daley's couldn't buy a tape or have it erased??
4. YOU, as a Police Officer are NOT required to make an arrest without a warrant for an offence that did not occur in your presence. Make the damned report and "ADVISE WARRANTS".
What the fuck are you talking about? How long have you been retired? Respond to a domestic where you find baby momma tuned up by ole boy--and dont take any action and see what happens to you. YOU are required by law to make an arrest there. And that part about unless an offense is committed in your presence--is total bullshit. Hope you weren't a supervisor.
Anonymous said...
agg batt.. it occoured on the public way. Charging was appropriate. And no, im not a troll im a Chicago police officer who is embarrassed of this idiot who did this out in the open, in a parking lot with tons of witnesses which once again makes us ALL look like goons. I didnt take this job to be liked but I took it to be a police officer. The way some of you people act are like thugs, not cops. We dont become the criminals.
4/16/2011 12:26:00 AM
The piece of shit who wrote the above has never been the police in a shitty area of the city. He/she does not know what it is to be the police. It is so sad what this job has become. I wish I did not have so far to go.
Again, I'll write it slooowly so you can understand, THIS ONE HAS VIDEO. Now count to 10, take your meds and be nice.
4/17/2011 09:55:00 AM
You are a huge, stupid asshole. All the video in the world doesn't matter if he can show he was justified in protecting himself. Just as video won't do anything to cops who hit a gunman with a car if he threatens them with the gun.
No go get your shine box you little twirp. Daley needs some work on his shoes.
Back in the 80's I was kid growing up in the 16th.We had these two plainclothes officers,we kids called them"Fuji and Fudge".One night I was arrested for underage drinking in the park.I was brought into Gayle Streets motor pool threw the side street.When inside the garage,I got a maglite tune up across the ass and back of my thighs.They brought me upstairs, and called my Dad.We saw the Juvy officer,I stayed clean and the charges were dropped.I never told my Dad abought the tuneup,I also nevr drank in the park again.A hard lesson learned. Signed,
Law Abiding Citizen
Hey 12:26, I will also say FUCK YOU, you gutless POS. If you were the "police" which I know you ARE not, you would never even think of writing such a stupid thing. You could neve put youself in this situation because you hide behind your thoughts of being the police. I have seen you over the last 26 years of being the police. Real man when you give some 70 year old woman a ticket for that stop sign, but a car load of bangers....na, I need an emergency personal squad. Go hide under that rock you came from under and let real police officers do their jobs!! And by the way, GO FUCK YOURSELF AGAIN!!
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